Real Dyno vs Supplied Dyno Sheet - EVO 9
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Getting a dyno sheet when buying a modified car is great, but is it accurate? today we find out..
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I give you permission to go for 400kW Marty.
Also respect to Scotty for praising the tuning effort of the previous tuner.
Yes. So many tuners are so quick to shit on every other tuner.
Not only praising the other tuner, but the other ECU as well, such a nice guy.
2.4L
Kindness lasts forever
Hit up Jimmy @ evolution racing spares
Yes, Needs #400KW?
Moog in the back seat like RUclips comments....
#1000kw? Go hard or go home
Maahh..
400+ KW Evo
400+ KW Golf R
See which ones makes the power for less money
See which one wins more races off the dyno
Five hundred kw 2.2L
And when are you guys going to crack 250?
Love it when Scotty is on, he's such a likeable dude!
He is the best! Friendly giant.
I want to see 400kw in the Evo then slowly upping the Golf power to see how many KW it needs to be faster than the Evo. Old vs New!
oh damn that's a good idea
I'd like to see 400kw evo vs 400kw golf. Because they're very different cars in terms of how they work. The golf is a bit of a dark horse. It's not really supposed to be as good as an evo, but it has a bunch of things going for it that can bridge the gap. Modern technology, dsg, but it's a haldex. Where the evo has a center diff and ayc. I think the dsg will alone would put the golf ahead of the evo.
@@fukkinkana that's why 400vs400 would be boring. Everyone knows the golf would win. Especially in the dry. Question is, how many kw does it need to be faster
The golf is a beast when tinkered with
@@BanzaiYaris ok. We know the golf would win, but by how much. Where does it succeed and where does it fall behind? 400vs400 would be more of a testiment to how far technology has actually come within the last 10 years. Like the dsg has pretty much proven itself already so that kinda takes away from what i wanted to see, but i want power to not be a factor in this comparison. I wanna know if the 10 year difference really means anything. Because you'll (we the consumers) find a way to make power no matter what you drive. But the chassis development, suspension geometry (we can change components and stiffen our suspension, even widen our base, but we can't really redesign it on our own) , electronic controls, whatever other new innovations cars have, isn't really something that we average joes have control over you know what i mean.
400kW sounds expensive and a little overkill. So absolutely go for it!
360WHP....."why does it feel slow then?"- Marty 😂
Red painted calipers add 25kw.
The shape of the power curve matters, if all of the power is in a narrow RPM band, the car will need many gears / shifting to keep the engine making power. This kind of engine is a real pain to drive on the street. Peak numbers are about useless on the street.
He has a point, i've been in powerful cars that feel like shit
360 WHP on a Evo IX should equate to roughly 440bhp flywheel. However far technology has come on this Evo with this power, should destroy the Golf R. Does not make sense, unless this Evo has 360 bhp flywheel then it would make more sense.
@@nepaleseman1010 makes sense because the Golf has a much flatter torque curve, peak power means nothing in terms of driveability
I love the videos with Scotty. His calm and sensible tech talk always seems to keep you guys in check...until you brought in the 9 and mentioned 400kw. Gonna be epic
Exactly ut seems like they may have to hold him back this time lol
Guys you are SO CLOSE to 3 million subscribers! And you truly deserve every single one. The effort, time, money, work, blood, sweat, soy sauce, love, and whatever Cheryl adds to mix, really makes this the best car channel I have ever seen.
MCM liked my comment!!!! This is a good day.
Nathan Jones and they never sold out. Just incredible raw effort and perseverance.
3 down 97 to go! Let's go MCM!
A- effin- MENN!!
I legitimately can't understand how they're not 10mil+
New intro only means one thing. NEW SEASON! #450KW?
And the beginning of the new song makes me think a bit to smog from the dug dugs
You can tell Tuning Fork instantly loved this thing.
Probably because its the nicest "old" car they've brought him lol
I like how he recognised and complimented the general quality of the vehicle and was very clear the tune was done by someone who is an excellent tuner.
Absolutely loved the dynamic between everyone just chilling in the car talking things over. And I loved how everyone was truly excited by the outcome of the dyno test and the prospect of the where it is heading.
Fantastic video guys
Askarissupercars I kinda wish they’d have a show on MCM2 maybe where they just have either Scotty or Benny (or both!) in the car and talking cars while on a drive. Kinda like when they had Miles in the back of the Mini after that was done.
Such an authentic interaction between the guys it’s a great episode 👍
I like the Golf but the Blue on the Evo is stunning. BEAUTY
Moog is basically RUclips comments in nutshell.
Anti-lag, please do it. #400kw?
#400kw +1
Ohhh yes, 400kw /w Anti-lag and a sequential gearbox. Would be awesome!
@@JainZar1 Why not a dual clutch mitsubishi one liek the ones they used to put in the outlanders? LOL
pretty sure ALS is illegal in Au
Moog is on coke :D a pretty clean batch tho :D
#500kw
Scotty's already done 400. Give it a crack!
There are EVO's out there on E85 with 720whp/540wkw, so it's possible.
Will Marty do it and then take on Benny's Barra?
Only time will tell, yet I bloody well hope that for once, just once, MCM go full send mode!
@@nottodaybuddy370 Only spending some coin...
@@nottodaybuddy370 I hope so too! 😎
#1000kw. Go hard or go home
@@liamcooper5202 hahaha I don't think MCM is willing to go that far. 500kw is just above what Marty wants though so they might be able to coax a bit more out of it 😎
I hear by give you permission for #400kW! with anti-lag and flames
*chuckling * I think we need to start talking about the excuses on the race track
LMAO cant believe he went there
Marty is a subpar driver at best, just being honest. The video of his Evo 10 vs. Moog’s WRX featured some very subpar driving as well.
@@Kevhoe like they both say quite a bit there not professionals lol but they have some experience with cars in general and ill chalk up some of the battle him not being familiar with the car yet and the the technological gap between the cars
Hard to say about driving without being there and feeling what the car wants to do. I tend to agree with you and I’ve podiumed at Canadian nationals twice so I’m not talking out of my ass.
@@BrodeyDoverosx totally get it each car is different and handles accordingly but i was just laughing at the tuning fork's jab at his lack of excuses to really lose lol
I mean some of the lines he took during the track battle were really bad
You got me at 'rally anti-lag'. Looking forward to this.
Yas, I'm more excited for the anti-lag than the 400Kw, which I ofcourse approve aswell.
You are not the only one :)
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Yeah, you guys should do #270 kw and do rally inspired builds like antilag, close ratios maybe, play with diffs, adjustable height, awesome mudflaps and underbody skid protection then do rally cross test. More acceleration and handling rather than max power etc etc would it be more fun? After all, the possible lack of cam sensor tells you how down low power and acceleration can affect things even if the peak power is there.
#HowmuchrallycanyouDD
"Today on MCM, Moog just bought a new bicycle and we're gonna put a Haltech Elite on it!"
Put an elite in the tofu
You will need #420kW if you really want to smoke him!
Haha!
I see what u did there ;)
Don't think those 2 follow the #420Lifestyle.... but funny nonetheless :)
@@kenvanpassen9247
Moog smokes pot. His been stoned in countless episodes.
@@fredderf551 oh God Ive never noticed... I so want this to be true hahahaha
@@fredderf551 Huh... Never noticed...Nice :)
Scott looks under the bonnet and says
"I see a cool air intake. It's got a nos fogger system and a T4 turbo, Dom. I see an AIC controller. It has direct port nitrous injection. Should make 250+"
And a standalone fool maneegment sistem...
Not a bad way to make shit investments.
damn this guy knows a lot of jessy said in fast and furious
He's a LEGEND
Way to be a toolbag, go back to Facebook with that shit
The rubber hand in the handshake has me cracking up and I can't get it out of my head! Thanks!
Haha same 😂
Had to rewind it back several times to triple check I actually saw what I saw🤣🤣
I kept wondering why it zooms in on the handshakes
Like the new intro guys.
Great content and video.
Thanks for sharing and best regards from the UK.
New intro is MAAAAD
The new intro prompted me to like this video.
*first dyno pulls reads 269kw*
“Why’s it feel slow then”
Dead 😂
Shape ofpower curve matters. An engine with a wide power band but less HP can out run an engine with high numbers over a very small RPM range.
Scotty sounds very excited about this one! Can't wait to see what this turns into
#400kwquestionmark
haha 17:32 onwards Moog is lost in thought about trackracing supergramps with tooevo. I recognise that face of faux interest in the discussion - i do it myself in meetings. lol
"im bored. I wish I was in my golf. my legs hurt. super gramps would get demolished. marty should sell it and get a nissan"
I sit here in the UK and wait patiently for every new episode. I love the fact that you've slowly worked your way up to the real Evo. Moog is spot on with the tech V power statement. Quiet exhaust, stealth fit big block and go for #400kw plus some more. Keep up the good work, oh and how about a world tour??
jonathan schofield Y. E. S.
What i love about Evo's is that they look fast when they are stood still !
intro looks quality guys, great work =)
A handshake Russell Coight would be proud of
Really wish they would've used a genuine Russel Coight handshake
Tuning Fork next to Moog always looks like Gandalf standing next to Frodo :-D
And M&M are tall as it is.
@@zogworth How tall are they?
@@kiyoponnn they've said previously like 6'2"
Which is not like giant but is pretty tall.
ruclips.net/video/gpbTonYSNbQ/видео.html&t=350
#450kw!!! Gotta get Scotty to push his Evo skills! 2.4L
2.2L 4G would be an awesome build, big $$$ though. would love to see AL get in on it as well for the banter.
@MightyCarMods Pls Get Al & Woody in to build a 2.4 Stroker 4G64 with EVO 9 Mivec Head
Scotty is such a boss, you can tell he really really knows his stuff
Holy shit i laughed so hard at that handshake bit!
Cheeky Russell Coight reference haha
That's like some classic Russell Coight right there
Ahhh I was wondering what that reference was. I lost my shit haha.
You have poor humor
Awesome new intro, love how you keep the original feel every update!
Scotty is such a nice, calm and polite guy. its always awesome to see him.
Tuning Fork!...The Gentle Giant of Dyno Tuning Goodness! ✌👌
I'm a massive Scotty fan.. such a geek in a tower of a body
He is the Wizard of Oz.
@@andy1056- Perfect! Great call!
😂 “270 at the wheels! Why does it feel slow then “ 😂 love your vids boys always been a big fan! Inspired me to start my own channel!
That handshake clip @3:06 will be seared into my heart and my mind for decades to come.
Should swap cars to eliminate them driver issues. Marty the in Golf R, Moog in the Evo .
pro drivers on both
If they gonna send it for real, otherwise waste of internet...
I stop what I was doing and clicked hella fast ,to watch two of my favorite RUclipsrs ,great video guys ..
2.2L 11k rpm 450Kw Evo #450islife #ifnotwhynot.
Also, Marty... That Evo is super sexy!
So Moog has the Golf.
Marty has the RS Focus..
Maybe a pressie for Turning Fork... 🤔🤔🤔
Tiida?
You might be on to something here man. And a blue one too...
Mario yes, Moog owns the focus but the golf is his current daily driver whilst the focus is being worked on
that would be really awesome of them if they gave him that car, after its all done
@Mario it makes sense, it just happens to be incorrect. Easy mistake to make though. I can't remember half the cars they've owned. No biggy.
HAHAH buys 270kw daily.
Upgrades it to 400kw weekender
Buys new Daily! :D:D
Then sell the weekender because it's costing too much money now that it keeps breaking, and do it all again a few months later
The cycle of mod life
@@damstachizz Buys daily, mods the daily, buys new daily, gets bored or find new modded car too expensive, sells it, gets bored with daily, starts to mod daily again... and soo the cycle continous.
Rinse and repeat until you make a daily nugget that make 1000kW
Yo had to pause it, that new intro is sick! Love the colour scheme and the length is great!! Haven't gone away with the OG little electronic voice at the end!! Legends!
Yes, 400kw would be amazing! Cool new intro. What's up with Moog trying to close down the vid quickly and climbing out, did he have to use the restroom? LOL
maby he left the oven on
love the Russell Coight Hand Shack lol good job guys.
Scotty is such a great guy. Gets 2 jokers in with a different brand of ECU, let's them on the dyno, and even congratulates the original tuner! What a legend!
Shout out from Texas been watching for years now.
I love it, mood sitting in the back Getting all excited like a kid with a new toy When he realises that super gramps and TooEvo can have a track day together 😀✌️✌️
Love that these guys are legit, humble, funny and actually build awesome cars and produce great videos.
Loving that All Aussie Adventures ref at 3:06 haha
Same XD
Brilliance
Great video guys. I laugh because there is so much internet disapproval for the Golf R and the RS3 platform yet none of these people have actually driven or been in one before. They are so surprisingly capable and genuinely fast. Just because some older Jap cars quote to have big ATW Kw numbers doesn't necessarily mean it can beat say a RS3 or golf R. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it could come down to just technology. The Lauch control fuction these cars have are just incredible especially paired with a DSG. Keep up the good work! Keen to see this Evo build.
The DSG is THE thing that gave Moog such a big advantage. He was out-braking and killing Marty at corner exit, all made possible by the DSG. The difficulty of hard braking in a manual transmission car with proper rev-match downshifting is a very overlooked skill.
I only just realized how massive Scotty is, Marty & Moog are by no means short and he absolutely dwarfs them. 😂
Him in the mini was hilarious
Just seeing him taller than the bonnet propped up really show how tall he is
Next to Scotty, they're Mighty Car Midgets
yah, scot is huge haha, looked really goofy when he drove the mini, his knees were up to the steering wheel lol.
I love the Irongav cameo at 0:27. Another amazing intro by that dude. What a champion.
That Dyno Shop is nicer than my living room...just sayin'
Hands down one of the best car videos out there. One of the best I've seen in a long time and especially from MCM. Doesn't matter what the car puts out or will put out in the future. 3 blokes just going on endlessly about this stuff is classic material. Cheers guys!
Even though I know you guys were just joking and being sarcastic with all the fighting, it's still all heartwearming when you're having fun and being good bros
my love for Scotty doubled when he said "anti-lag"
Instead of "Will this fit my Honda?", we'll get "Will this fit my Golf?" 😆
I do NOT give you permission to go to 400kw Marty. I give permission to go to 500kw.
It's all in that DSG.
Nickk IRL - and 10+ years of turbo/timing/compression tech.
Some are asking in the comments whether Moog's car has DSG (dual clutch Direct Shift Gearbox). It does. At 7;50 in the Evo vs Golf video you can see the paddle shifters. ruclips.net/video/7mbFK2JCZDU/видео.html
100% bang on the money mate!
And the great torque curve of the golf
@@tigamilla2594 which it stays in 100% on the time thanks to the dsg
Glad to see the old TF was back in the vlogs. The guy is gold.
"Eleventy" 😂😂😂
#450kw, an evo needs 600hp and your mate Charles Lam sells a stock location turbo capable of that. He should have sold you it when you bought the new exhaust off him.
Hx40 works 😅
@@whatevermechanics this was the turbo I was suggesting, fits under a Tomei stock style manifold with heat shield for the stealth look.
www.lamspeedracing.com/products/forced-performance-fp-zero-ball-bearing-stock-frame-turbocharger-for-the-evolution-4-9
Try to clean injectors, you said it was driven on only ethanol for few years
it's always a possibility with ethanol but as long as it was driven constantly (never set for more than a week or so) they should probably be fine, specially since power curve seemed fine on the dyno
@@ozzy8031 that's why I added "if" before my sentence
Thums i dont see the if
why am I getting shit for this comment my dudes? I said: it IS a possibility but AS LONG as the car didn't sit it should PROBABLY be fine, and then I gave my reasoning as to why I'd suspect they are indeed fine
Thums you didnt say "if" in that sentence
You guys should give it to tuning fork as a thank you for everything has has done over the years for you guys. IDK what goes on behind the scenes with arrangements for you to get into their shop, but he looks so happy sitting in the car.
Shiny, new intro! #400kw? Love that idea. Great episode, thank you!👍🏼🤘🏼😎✌🏼
Such a sweet evo! LOVE that blue, so darn clean
AWESOME new intro/graphics! Really captures you guys.
Excited for this evo and for when you two act so bromancely
Awesome new intro. How old was the previous one, 2 years? Aged really well!
Price of a blue evo9 just went up 1000%
MCM tax + JDM tax
Unfortunately, so has the price of the golf R which i was searching for as the vid released
Love to see tuning fork in the vid. He really has so much knowledge about these cars.
Fix the sensor issues and get your low down torque back and run the 2 cars back on the track.
Get your exit speed back and you'll dog that VW all day.
Then you can see if you wanna do a 250 vs 400kw
@@ozzy8031 yeah but 400kw with its low down power back may just blow the doors off a 250kw VW and then theres no real battle.
I guess I should have said run it back with the cars being fixed then do the big boy shootout.
More content for them as well lol
yeah but moog willl get a killer tan from the vag check engine light
I will be extremely disappointed if this thing doesnt end up rapid firing flames out the back. #400Kw+ANTILAG
RRRAAAAAPAPAPAAPAPAPAPPPAAAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAAAAAAAAAA!
The first respone to the # is a golf thing.
And then you grow up and realize just how stupid that looks unless you're at the track.
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By far one of the best episodes. Just 3 mates sitting in a car talking shop. And great info! Loved it! #450?
"Why's it feel slow then?"
BECAUSE YOU SHORT-SHIFT LIKE A FIEND, MARTY.
thank you!
Probably afraid to break it with the engine light on.
Hahaha... Just saw the Russell Coight handshake reference 🤣🤣 too funny
Bought some mcm decals from you guys the other day can't wait till they come love your Vids from the UK
Scotty has already done 400KW so we need a MCM first 500kw beast! Upgrade everythinggggggggg 💪 but keep the look standard
Being a VAG, it could be outputting well over 50 times the claimed output.
Casey Stoner what? 😂
@@malinamalinowsky3874 Emissions, mate.
lol
So good to see an Evo being worked on. Wow my dream car!
Marty: "400 Kilowatts Questionmark."
Me: "420 Kilowatts Point."
I don’t have time to go back and watch the video of their race (wouldn’t know how they performed off camera anyway). But I suspect mah boy wasn’t staying in boost all the time. The effect of dropping out of boost is devastating for engines with a low compression ratio and high boost, like 4g63 (tuning it only makes the problem worse btw).
Golf R however, has a higher compression ratio and lower boost pressure. So it’s easier for casual drivers to drive it fast since you can basically drop the rpm to 2,500 a few times in a race and not be penalised heavily in lap time.
The golfs compression ratio is only slightly higher, both stock. So its not the static compression ratio that is the difference. Its far more likely the fact the golfs got a smaller punchier turbo, which is boosting harder lower down and then decreases higher up. Also with a far more modern variable timing on the exhaust the golf can spool the turbo quicker. The golf also has shorter gearing due to the 7 speed box vs the 6 in the evo. Then factor in the more modern suspension and traction control it's not surprising that the golf can keep up because there's only the straight where the evo can put its high range power down.
audrey mini I actually don’t know much about 4g63 and gen7 golf r. I know my 4b11t has a compression ratio of 9:1 and my housemate’s gen6 golf r has compression ratio of 9.5:1. This “0.5” difference might be more significant than you think. Because 10.5:1 naturally aspirated engines can run on #91 but 12:1 NA engines need to run on #98, already skipping #95, just within three 0.5 increments. Different VVT technology can play a part in there I agree. You also mentioned the turbo setup in golf make it way easier to stay in boost than that in Evo. However I doubt the “suspension and traction control” on an part-time 4wd is superior to a full-time 4wd with aftermarket suspension. Perhaps the golf just had better tyre on idk.
Having performed a lot of testing, the difference between 9-9.6 which is the difference of the two engines isn't significant to cause the dramatic change whereas the stock golf turbo Vs the aftermarket "big" turbo on the Evo definitely is. But also the static compression ratio is pretty irrelevant due the the variable cam profiles. If the cam is set to keep the intake valve open for longer then the dynamic compression ratio is significantly lower. Likewise if you put a racy cam in with a large overlap the dynamic ratio is decreased as the valves are both open during the initial stage of compression, so the static compression ratio is pretty pointless comparing two different engines. A diesel engine has a huge compression ratio so with that logic should be incredible but without boost they're pretty dire.
The golf has the ability to control the wheel speeds far more accurately than the Evo, so it should be able to turn quicker and maintain mid corner grip better. The Evo is using technology a decade before the golf, and don't forget it's been a prolific decade for computer controlled cars.
The Evo had a fresh set of pretty good road tyres on so unless the golf had some semi slicks I don't think the tyres really come into it, as they usually put bridgestone re00*'s on their cars so I don't know why this time would be any different.
Also regarding the need for higher octane fuels, the more air is compressed the harder it is to compress so the difference between 9 and 9.5 is very different than between 11 and 11.5.
Dont normally buy merch but you guys definitely deserve the money. Ordered a few items for a birthday present to myself. :D
Try saying health check at Haltech as quick as you can 10 times.
Nope
So cam sensor it is then, not giving you proper response throughout the rev-range meaning it'll feel like a dog when racing at the track.
Fix that = Problem solved.
I love how Moog is so off topic lol it adds flavor. Makes you guys different than the normal "mod" channels. Martin and Moog complement each other well.
#650HP
Smooth out current spec and do a vs Gramps on the track then full send 650HP!
Please tune the Golf! I'd love to see power mods done to that thing. They are properly quick with mods
If Marty goes for 400kw. You know Moog will go BT for the R. APR's Stage 3+ puts 500whp down, which is only 36hp less than a 400kw (536hp) Evo. lol
That gen 3 TSI is crazy.
Even a stage 1 map and a box map would keep the Evo behind.. DSG box is great on these.
Based on looks alone Evo wins hands down.
Satveer Degun I prefer the looks of the Golf personally lol
@@TheCompyshop To me its just a boring Golf but to each their own ofcourse!
I know a guy who daily’s a 400 whp golf :p
New OpeningGraphics are really nice guys - well done!
I need to get used the to KW thing. I'm sat here with my calculator converting the numbers everytime they mention a power figure 😂
At least the dyno showed the HP figure lol
Just add a third mate 👍
Set your standards higher Marty, go for 450 or 500 Kw. Hope y'all have a great day.
In England you guys would be called (LtoR) Colin, Aaron and Dave. Love the channel guys.
I liked the old INTRO MUSIC more. So many car shows use too much "crunchy" guitar sounds. Prefer the 80's pop feel of most of the M2M music
All their intros have had guitar/drums in them?
I see what you mean, but appreciate their evolution (pun intended!) and they don’t change the intro very often, so I’m sure it’ll be a matter of time before you get into it!
@@_Professor_Oak The previous one was a little bit more "mild techno". For me, the music on MCM helps to differentiate it a bit. Every car fix/ mod/ tune troupe on RUclips seem to use crunchy guitar, yet every garage I've ever been in, the guys listen to the local pop channel on the radio in the shop. I love that MCM are always developing ( though I hope Fanking never goes away ), but if you're watching lots of car mod videos from different channels, the guitar crunch can get a bit old. Love your RUclips nick "Televised Chaos" - very cool !
family trip on the dyno 😂👌
Great vid boys, your kicking heaps of goals lately. Im searching for an EVO now
10,000 RPM is the best thing said in this entire video
2.4 all the evos!
Torque for days, and power to burn!
#400kw
That's what I'm going for with my 2.4 Evo 8MR
Cool new intro. I held my breath waiting to see if the Cylon voice would still be there.
#400plusKW 2.4 big block. Do it Marty, do it!!!!!