If only there was a way to try different types of shocks out to see exactly what YOU like and not just what people say about a product… there too expensive to “try out” and then you can’t return them…
The video is for the 2.0 series which do reflect much more than Fox 2.5 vs King 2.5. Both the 2.5 are great options and we run both brands on own vehicles.
This is why I like the Bilstein BlackHawk e2 on the TRX. Dual valve digitally tunable digressive shock with reservoir. Not a pillow like Fox, so many people say it’s “harsh” comparatively. Well yes. It is for several reasons. Reasons: more handling on street (95% of driving), very planted without the floating boat feeling, much more driver feedback in the steering wheel & seat (sense of terrain/road), less body roll & pitch, no boat like floating feeling, takes harsh impacts easier because it’s designed specifically to hit harder and more comfortable at higher piston velocity, less chassis rattle, lasts longer due to less internal force at high velocity, and it’s tunable at the press of a button to your desired drive quality. Many guys think “Baja” is the softest, select it, then are disappointed when they feel all the small bumps on their commute… Baja mode an aggressive configuration (though sport mode has quicker rebound) meant to resist a 7k lb ballistic missile launching at peak 702hp take offs, jumping, and slamming down on soft earth. Street mode is the softest configuration. Some dudes have taken the suspension out because Baja wasn’t soft enough and thrown in a set of manually tunable Kings. 🤦♂️ They’ll bottom the truck out on a jump, destroy the 5th strut struggling alone, and cause far too much chassis & driveline jostle.
I've had them all and I still stand by Fox with a custom tune. Off the shelf they can either make your ride better or worse. I always change out my shocks on factory vehicles except my RZR. It does help I have a few tuner buddies that help me fine tune my shocks but I've never been happy with off the shelf shocks. Even companies that claim they tune their shocks for your vehicle. Every vehicle is different along with specific applications. From my experience, Fox has the best technology hands down. Also, set it forget it shocks are not ideal. Always opt for adjusters with whatever brand you get. That way you can accommodate for different loads and terrain. This is from about 20 years of my personal experience.
We love Fox as well but it's not always made for everyone. We run them on our own vehicles but these are full off-road rigs. We do like to ask consumer who are interested in parts to give us as much details to their build goals, truck usage or driving style and so forth.
@@ShockSurplus Same here. I had a fully built 02 Ford Ranger with Camburg long travel front and Deavers in the rear with shock hoops through the bed. Of course my RZR is only off-road and the custom tune I have on those shocks made a huge difference. My Ranger first had set it and forget it Fox all around and then I went King set it and forget it. Both sets I ran stock and they were custom tuned. I went full adjustable custom tuned Fox and I was blown away. My 2012 had a mid travel kit with custom tuned Fox 2.5 coil overs. Ran the stock tune and I wasn't impressed. I had custom tuned Fox 2.0 non resi on my 2017 Ford F250 and now have Fox FRS 2.5 w DSCs. Night and day difference. Especially when towing. Even my dirt bikes and quads have custom tuned factory shocks. Nothing compares to a custom tune. As far as the different brands, I would say there is a little difference but the tune is what makes it great. Only off the shelf shock I've ran without any tunes was bilstein on my wife's Expedition. Oh, and Monroes on my sedans. I've never had a non adjustable off the shelf shock work good at all off-road.
The best you know is the best you've ridden on.....most people don't change their suspension out to know the differences between the brands....really expensive to do so.... But yeah all can be custom tuned......KING is right down the street from me and been in game along time.....would choose them and tune accordingly
We have tested various parts on various trucks and try to give our unbiased opinion. But we are also limited to what vehicles as we work on vehicles that we own are our family and friends own.
I have a 22 Chevy hd. I like the highway handling and prefer the stiff ride. That being said I have to idle on dirt roads. Is there anything that lets me go just a bit faster on dirt but maintain my highway handling???
If you like tight handling as well as a firmer ride and would like to be able to go a little faster off road Icon is definitely your ticket. They will be tight as a drum on the road for the most stability on the highway and pretty much only get better the faster you go off road.
I’m looking to get a smoother ride on my 2011 f-250 w/20” wheels. I sometimes trailer a Skidsteer around town I’d say once a month. What shocks do you suggest?
All three would probably do well enough, but you could save your self some money and a lot of maintenance by going with a set of Bilsteins or Eibachs for the way you are using it. These high end options are killer, and can be set up and tuned to be pretty comfortable and stable, but a less expensive set of Bilsteins or Eibachs would more than handle your needs for less money and require next far less service if they ever need it at all.
That's why we take the time to test them on our own vehicles for you so that if anybody ever reaches out for a suspension upgrade, we can offer advice based off our real-world experiences with the shocks we sell. The newest rig in the fleet is our 2022 Bronco, which is on its 7th set of shocks in the last year and more are on the way. Every time we test something new we post a review video with a detailed article, and add the parts and our thoughts about them to buyers guides so you can get all the knowledge we've gained from all the miles of testing in one place.
None of these compare really, these are all 2.0 options, non reservoir. The Falcon probably ride closest to the Icon though in terms of handling and bump compliance. But the Falcon 3.3 have all these beat, thicker body, rebound adjustable, reservoirs, cant lose. www.shocksurplus.com/search?query=falcon-3.3
If you ever trailer anything I’d go for a more “stock” style shock like the bilstein 5100 if you aren’t all these shocks are tunable so I’d look who’s closest to you and at how many miles each are rated for
The King is probably the most plush but they can be a little loose though we think is usually the better choice. They are still very comfortable but offer a lot more stability than the King. With that said if you have any towing or hauling in the cards you will definitely want the Icon.
You're being rather vague. What was the test course, the highway, off-road through the desert, or rocky mountainous terrain??? Where's Bilstein and Eibach inches scenario???
Case by case situation but we haven't much concerns with those living conditions which salt is used more aggressive. We don't offer Ironman so we can't tell you how long their parts will last but we haven't had issues with various companies producing parts.
@@ShockSurplus well I have ironman on my vehicle right now for about 6 months and still looking good. My old one was icon, which was on my vehicle for 3 years. About a year in my vehicle, it started to rust. And 2 years after, it is so rusted it's not worth to rebuild it just by how rusted it is. So I did my research and called ironman and ask questions. They told me that icon, fox, and king are just coated with zinc, which he said will wear out after a year. While theirs is painted with layers. That's why they can warrant Thiers suspension for 3 years, while the others have 1 year warranty. So far I'm happy with my ironman. The real test is this winter coming up.
I was looking for a comment like this. I work for an oil field company that hauls salt water. And these Mfin truck drivers love to dump the water on the lot. It has rusted out all of our service trucks and personal vehicles. I’m wanting to do a Baja long/medium travel kit on my 08 f150 and have been looking at shocks that won’t be destroyed.
@@ShockSurplus Don't leave out their Massive plant in Taiwan where they manufacture most of the Fox parts and then ship them back to America to be assembled here. You can run what you want but I saw how fast Fox shocks blew out on my lift not once not twice but 3 times and I've tried multiple series with and without the reservoirs. My old 7.3 crew cab had Bilstein and then king on a 6-8" adjustable and I never had the blow out issues I've had with Fox the past few years. What series do you recommend for a 10"-12" lift F350 running 40x15.50r26s
We are aware of their facility for the MTB stuff but their off-road truck department is here in the US. Fox does not make a 10" shock for any of the F350. We're not sure what you're using but it doesn't seem correct. Fox does make parts for a 6-7" but nothing more than that for this case. We assume these are custom parts. We don't have any parts to work with a 10-12" lift.
@@ShockSurplus So the guys at the local 4X4 shop here have been putting on the wrong size Fox shocks on my truck the entire time?? If I can give you the part number off my last set of Fox shocks I took off about 2 months ago after the front driver side blew out can you tell me if it's a correct shock for the truck. If that's the case sounds like I need to go have a talk with the fab shop that's been doing my work for the past 5+ yrs. Not sure why they would get me the wrong shocks for the setup they built but you guys are the experts not me.
@@kingsamoanOG What model number Fox shock were you using? I have an Excursion with an 8” F250 lift (amounts to 10” on Excursion) but I’m having trouble finding remote reservoir Fox 2.0s
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If only there was a way to try different types of shocks out to see exactly what YOU like and not just what people say about a product… there too expensive to “try out” and then you can’t return them…
exactly, which is why we're testing as much as possible across a bunch of vehicles, and talking about how they feel in the more precise terms.
If only there was a way to revalve them to your preference after buying them 🤔😂
I agree. Had fox and king 2.5 shocks. Fox rode like a wagon on wooden wheels. Not sure why. Kings made my truck ride very smooth.
The video is for the 2.0 series which do reflect much more than Fox 2.5 vs King 2.5. Both the 2.5 are great options and we run both brands on own vehicles.
@@ShockSurplus did you mean rebound instead of reflect?
@Shock Surplus what about the 2.5in IFP FOX Shocks from Mopar or the new JKS ones?
the Fox 2.5 has adjustable lowspeed/highspeed, did you leave it at factory values?
supposedly, you can make it much smoother
@@ShockSurpluswhat does 2.0 and 2.5 mean
King is king 👑
This is why I like the Bilstein BlackHawk e2 on the TRX. Dual valve digitally tunable digressive shock with reservoir. Not a pillow like Fox, so many people say it’s “harsh” comparatively. Well yes. It is for several reasons. Reasons: more handling on street (95% of driving), very planted without the floating boat feeling, much more driver feedback in the steering wheel & seat (sense of terrain/road), less body roll & pitch, no boat like floating feeling, takes harsh impacts easier because it’s designed specifically to hit harder and more comfortable at higher piston velocity, less chassis rattle, lasts longer due to less internal force at high velocity, and it’s tunable at the press of a button to your desired drive quality.
Many guys think “Baja” is the softest, select it, then are disappointed when they feel all the small bumps on their commute… Baja mode an aggressive configuration (though sport mode has quicker rebound) meant to resist a 7k lb ballistic missile launching at peak 702hp take offs, jumping, and slamming down on soft earth. Street mode is the softest configuration.
Some dudes have taken the suspension out because Baja wasn’t soft enough and thrown in a set of manually tunable Kings. 🤦♂️
They’ll bottom the truck out on a jump, destroy the 5th strut struggling alone, and cause far too much chassis & driveline jostle.
haven't had a chance to drive the TRX yet, thanks for the info
Thanks for that. Are yours long travel?
I work for king shocks and they are top notch 👌
I've had them all and I still stand by Fox with a custom tune. Off the shelf they can either make your ride better or worse. I always change out my shocks on factory vehicles except my RZR. It does help I have a few tuner buddies that help me fine tune my shocks but I've never been happy with off the shelf shocks. Even companies that claim they tune their shocks for your vehicle. Every vehicle is different along with specific applications. From my experience, Fox has the best technology hands down. Also, set it forget it shocks are not ideal. Always opt for adjusters with whatever brand you get. That way you can accommodate for different loads and terrain. This is from about 20 years of my personal experience.
We love Fox as well but it's not always made for everyone. We run them on our own vehicles but these are full off-road rigs. We do like to ask consumer who are interested in parts to give us as much details to their build goals, truck usage or driving style and so forth.
@@ShockSurplus Same here. I had a fully built 02 Ford Ranger with Camburg long travel front and Deavers in the rear with shock hoops through the bed. Of course my RZR is only off-road and the custom tune I have on those shocks made a huge difference. My Ranger first had set it and forget it Fox all around and then I went King set it and forget it. Both sets I ran stock and they were custom tuned. I went full adjustable custom tuned Fox and I was blown away. My 2012 had a mid travel kit with custom tuned Fox 2.5 coil overs. Ran the stock tune and I wasn't impressed. I had custom tuned Fox 2.0 non resi on my 2017 Ford F250 and now have Fox FRS 2.5 w DSCs. Night and day difference. Especially when towing. Even my dirt bikes and quads have custom tuned factory shocks. Nothing compares to a custom tune. As far as the different brands, I would say there is a little difference but the tune is what makes it great. Only off the shelf shock I've ran without any tunes was bilstein on my wife's Expedition. Oh, and Monroes on my sedans. I've never had a non adjustable off the shelf shock work good at all off-road.
I have the orange fox Trd shocks on my tundra pro and they are the best shocks I’ve ever had on a truck.
They're definitely solid, love the IBP feature on those
Of course 2.5 options can be custom tuned, coilovers vs straight shocks, lots of things can make a difference
Where is the best place to buy the 2.5’s?
We have em on our site shocksurplus.com
@@ShockSurplus How much movement is expected from the bearings located at the mounting bolts?
Absolutely LOVE my Icon Stage 2 with RXT option 3 leaf pack on our Tacoma TRD Off Road.
That is great to hear! We also had ran an Icon stage 8 on a 2005 Toyota Tacoma and it definitely helped out in a lot of aspects.
would you recommend running icon on a 6 inch lift tacoma or fox 2.0 ?
I have custom valved Fox suspension on my Isuzu MUX in Australia, rides on and off road beautifully👌
Installing stage 10 icons next week ! Super stoked
LETS GO! Hope it all goes well. That's going to be fun and long install.
If you guys could measure thermal performance under load that would be a great indicator of potential failure or reliability.
You mean its how the shock is valved... pick a color and valve it correctly.
We review them as out of the box. But yes you can have them re-valved to your specific needs.
Hello there. I do like 5 miles per day of dirt road nothing crazy. What do u recommend if i am looking for comfort? Thnsk
The best you know is the best you've ridden on.....most people don't change their suspension out to know the differences between the brands....really expensive to do so....
But yeah all can be custom tuned......KING is right down the street from me and been in game along time.....would choose them and tune accordingly
We have tested various parts on various trucks and try to give our unbiased opinion. But we are also limited to what vehicles as we work on vehicles that we own are our family and friends own.
@@ShockSurplus do you re valve shocks?
@@joshsstreetrodsthey do not
I'm new to the 4x4 world and find these videos very informative! Keep em coming!
Welcome aboard!
I have a 22 Chevy hd. I like the highway handling and prefer the stiff ride.
That being said I have to idle on dirt roads. Is there anything that lets me go just a bit faster on dirt but maintain my highway handling???
If you like tight handling as well as a firmer ride and would like to be able to go a little faster off road Icon is definitely your ticket. They will be tight as a drum on the road for the most stability on the highway and pretty much only get better the faster you go off road.
That's why I got fox with dsc control, I can get exactly what I need for what I'm up to that day. Love them
glad you like em, thanks for the feedback
I’m looking to get a smoother ride on my 2011 f-250 w/20” wheels. I sometimes trailer a Skidsteer around town I’d say once a month. What shocks do you suggest?
All three would probably do well enough, but you could save your self some money and a lot of maintenance by going with a set of Bilsteins or Eibachs for the way you are using it. These high end options are killer, and can be set up and tuned to be pretty comfortable and stable, but a less expensive set of Bilsteins or Eibachs would more than handle your needs for less money and require next far less service if they ever need it at all.
Only fact is we can’t afford to go out and just try them til we find the ones we like.
That's why we take the time to test them on our own vehicles for you so that if anybody ever reaches out for a suspension upgrade, we can offer advice based off our real-world experiences with the shocks we sell. The newest rig in the fleet is our 2022 Bronco, which is on its 7th set of shocks in the last year and more are on the way. Every time we test something new we post a review video with a detailed article, and add the parts and our thoughts about them to buyers guides so you can get all the knowledge we've gained from all the miles of testing in one place.
My icons 2.5 are pretty good
We are glad to hear that
Other video from this same company said king shocks were the stiffest and only showed improvement while extreme off-roading 🙄
How would you compare these to the Falcon 3.3 sp2
None of these compare really, these are all 2.0 options, non reservoir. The Falcon probably ride closest to the Icon though in terms of handling and bump compliance. But the Falcon 3.3 have all these beat, thicker body, rebound adjustable, reservoirs, cant lose.
www.shocksurplus.com/search?query=falcon-3.3
What would you recommend ? I want better ride quality I’m on a 10 inch lift I know it’s gonna ride not to good but something that’ll improve it?
It depends on application but you will likely have to get a custom build done by King. Fox and Icon generally do not service lifts that tall.
R u talking off road or on
I do pipeline work. 90% highway and 10% off-road. Sometime 10% road & 90 % off road. Which shock would you recommend?
If you ever trailer anything I’d go for a more “stock” style shock like the bilstein 5100 if you aren’t all these shocks are tunable so I’d look who’s closest to you and at how many miles each are rated for
My kings setup by far was a better ride all around from stock.
When we put kings on the wrangler, they were way too mushy, but these were the 2.0
Fox and king are both good options. Most of it depends on the tuning. Accutune got my foxes dialed in for my Jeep
What are you running the kings on?
Which one is good for the city more comfortable on the road ?
The King is probably the most plush but they can be a little loose though we think is usually the better choice. They are still very comfortable but offer a lot more stability than the King. With that said if you have any towing or hauling in the cards you will definitely want the Icon.
Which fox shock will fit an 03 Yukon Denali?
The 2.0 IFP series
You're being rather vague.
What was the test course, the highway, off-road through the desert, or rocky mountainous terrain???
Where's Bilstein and Eibach inches scenario???
From experience. None will survive after a year in up north in the salt. Go get ironman, it will last for years and years
Case by case situation but we haven't much concerns with those living conditions which salt is used more aggressive. We don't offer Ironman so we can't tell you how long their parts will last but we haven't had issues with various companies producing parts.
@@ShockSurplus well I have ironman on my vehicle right now for about 6 months and still looking good. My old one was icon, which was on my vehicle for 3 years. About a year in my vehicle, it started to rust. And 2 years after, it is so rusted it's not worth to rebuild it just by how rusted it is. So I did my research and called ironman and ask questions. They told me that icon, fox, and king are just coated with zinc, which he said will wear out after a year. While theirs is painted with layers. That's why they can warrant Thiers suspension for 3 years, while the others have 1 year warranty.
So far I'm happy with my ironman. The real test is this winter coming up.
I was looking for a comment like this. I work for an oil field company that hauls salt water. And these Mfin truck drivers love to dump the water on the lot. It has rusted out all of our service trucks and personal vehicles. I’m wanting to do a Baja long/medium travel kit on my 08 f150 and have been looking at shocks that won’t be destroyed.
King yes!
They are all great and have their own pros and cons and designed different for different styles of usage or end user goals.
I just bought kings for my jlu😮
Icon commercial lol King is King
Bilstein?
these 2.0 are comparable to the 5100s, but all these need serviced and can be custom tuned
Mid travel?
not sure what you're asking
I've ran Fox almost every series and THEY ARE GARBAGE!!! I run a 10" lift and I'm done with Fox brand shocks they're trash Chinese garbage
Fox is an American company and its two main locations are California and Georgia. We run Fox on our own vehicles and have no issues.
@@ShockSurplus Don't leave out their Massive plant in Taiwan where they manufacture most of the Fox parts and then ship them back to America to be assembled here. You can run what you want but I saw how fast Fox shocks blew out on my lift not once not twice but 3 times and I've tried multiple series with and without the reservoirs. My old 7.3 crew cab had Bilstein and then king on a 6-8" adjustable and I never had the blow out issues I've had with Fox the past few years. What series do you recommend for a 10"-12" lift F350 running 40x15.50r26s
We are aware of their facility for the MTB stuff but their off-road truck department is here in the US. Fox does not make a 10" shock for any of the F350. We're not sure what you're using but it doesn't seem correct. Fox does make parts for a 6-7" but nothing more than that for this case. We assume these are custom parts. We don't have any parts to work with a 10-12" lift.
@@ShockSurplus So the guys at the local 4X4 shop here have been putting on the wrong size Fox shocks on my truck the entire time?? If I can give you the part number off my last set of Fox shocks I took off about 2 months ago after the front driver side blew out can you tell me if it's a correct shock for the truck. If that's the case sounds like I need to go have a talk with the fab shop that's been doing my work for the past 5+ yrs. Not sure why they would get me the wrong shocks for the setup they built but you guys are the experts not me.
@@kingsamoanOG What model number Fox shock were you using? I have an Excursion with an 8” F250 lift (amounts to 10” on Excursion) but I’m having trouble finding remote reservoir Fox 2.0s
Icon ???????
The ppl who makes tools 😂😂😂
LOL Something like that
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kings the best
They all have pros and cons. To each their own