When she said “now your really lying” she took a step back because she felt so betrayed and as you watch Janes eyes I think this is the moment he realized Lisbon loved him...
Cena muito forte . Jane falou que gostou de Lorelei, mesmo sabendo que Lisbon o amava. Eu sei que ele a protegia mas ele foi muito duro com as palavras! Lisbon foi perfeita na cena eu amei muito o que ela falou pra ele!
I REALLY can't believe or understand how Simon and Robin didn't get at least one Emmy or Golden Globe for this series (and the same series as it had no awards itself) they as actors are SO REAL and NATURAL, their acting along with their script writing was powerful and this scene is a prime example! You can really feel that pain, that love and that sad tension, in that moment you see them and they ARE the characters, you don't see "the actors" playing a character. 🙌✨ Really, I'm so sad and disappointed to see how the awards industry ignored them.. what other series was "better" and "more important" for them in those years (2008-2015) to despise the mentalist like they did? it's even a miracle that Simon at least got his star in Hollywood. 🥺
I agree. Simon Baker’s acting is so powerful in the dramatic scenes, and his comedic timing is so good. I laugh, I cry. He is better than most actors today.
@@redbrickcoloured7837 That should have happened. It was too much. The Lorelei affair led his life to disaster, dragging Lisbon, her team and the show too. An insistent plot and totally out of the aesthetics of the show.
@@townscapelandscape5159 I agree she should end their partnership at this point, he did go into to deep this time,I get he wanted RJ no matter the coast, but Lisbon should think of her career and her team not how to help someone who wouldn't accept help except on his terms.
Lucky Black I agree with your point of view. I think the writers planned to end the show in season 5 with a disaster. They invented the mermaid Lorelei leading Jane, Lisbon and their team to the end after committing crimes together with Jane before the complicity by default of Lisbon and his team. For some reason or because they got a contract for another season or because of audience pressure they decided to go back with that idea. But in my opinion the damage to the show was already done.
@@townscapelandscape5159 well thank God for fans, although that whole Lorelei thing and going behind Lisbons back, betraying her trust always leaves bitter taste in my mouth, whenever I watch,because I always thought that Jane has 2 things in his life 1. Revenge and 2 Lisbon, someone he can trust and who will be there for him ,and when he betrayed the person who had his back this whole time because of the hunch, or something that maybe will give him answers I was disappointed,he disregarded one person who would do anything for hin because of "Maybe" .
I love Robin's acting here . She's damn spot on & she gave a whole lot of dignity to Lisbon's characterization . I am glad the writer's didn't show her getting weak or anything . They kept her tough cop persona consistent & that made this scene so brilliant !
She was his dummy playingthing, have u watched the same series as the rest of us? He knew she loved him all these years. Like yeah, she was supposed to be this tough cop and she was for the outside world, but in the main relationship of the entire series he held all the cards and she was his toy…
@@kompognatus she was his friend, and he was hers. He's secretive and controlling, but he isn't some grodey sexist lizard working her like a puppet. He is nervous under her genuine anger, becomes tearful when she's ashamed of him, looks to her pointedly for reassurance when he feels insecure, basks in her attention, spends all his free time with her, and gifts her with food he then eagerly watches her enjoy. When she is threatened, he *ruins* the people responsible, when she's happy he glows with pleasure, when she's in danger he is nauseated with fear. This man fucking loved her, and you're a narcissist who paid no attention to the show.
Honestly, the pure idiocy of loser narcissists who think this show is dogwhistling to their ego makes my skin crawl. Jane is the protagonist, of course the story is mostly about him, and of course he's the cleverest person on the team, and of course he's determined to accomplish his most important goal even if it takes forever and breaks some rules. But Teresa was never a spineless idiot, and Jane never treated her like one. Between RJ and Lisbon's safety he chose Lisbon's safety--most of his manipulation towards her was to keep her safe. She held him to a standard, called him out on every bit of bullsh*t, refused to let him withdraw from his friends when he became despondent in 1X23 and 3X01, went to bat for him against bosses and colleagues, saved his life multiple times, helped him when he was unable to help himself again and again, and this very clip here is a lead up to her asking him not to go with them to catch Lorelei and for Lisbon--even though it connected directly to his hunt for RJ--he was willing to do that, until he realized they needed his help. For her he risked dying from a suicide jacket blast before he could get revenge. For her he tried to leave Lorelei in the CBI's hands. For her he killed his only lead to RJ to save her life. "ShE wAs HiS tOy!" STFU.
+Bybance Saetre he probably knows already, maybe he wasn't expecting to be confronted with the intensity of her feeling and seeing her on the verge of crying
And jane is in love with lisbon too, typical husband he was expecting lisbon to sit like a wife at home while he keep screwing serial killer mistress offcourse he dont have any feelings for lorelai Martin's but he want to find out red john and a men can go any length to find his peace...
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 He' s hot and Lorelei played him.She puts on Jane like a toaster. And Lisbon is right. She knows it. Jane was usefull for Lorelei. Jane was a jerk .He risked a lot to obtein a little.
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 Is really a big perversion to share the mistress of your wife and daugther killer's. Lorelei played Jane. He's hot and can't handle his feelings.He's not in his owns. He is not in full control of himself and undoubtedly RJ perversely enjoys this. I hate that shit in that show.
Bybance Saetre. This isn't about love, this is about power, she wants him to fall back in line and settle down, he's telling her he's not going to back off finding Red John, that's why he didn't look away, it's a stare-down!
Even after 5 years, i still feel the same gut-wrenching tension i felt the first time i watched it, although the first time i watched, i couldn't even look at the screen it cause the tension was just so damn high. 👏👏👏 Credits to Robin's acting
I've always heard women were more in touch with her feelings, but I've never realized women were so good at understanding and reading feelings until I started to see the comment section. I swear 99% of men wouldn't make such a detailed and well thought analysis os the feelings of the characters
I actually love that even when he just confirmed in silence that she has deeper feelings for him (not just blushing this time), he didnt grab her, kiss her, or anything like that. M glad it didnt go there. Coz if it did, then it would be just another drama series only with detective work and police chases. It would be very cliche. M glad it turned out this way hehe, the show wasnt about them two (like Castle), it's about Jane, him being a mentalist and his pursuit of RJ. Teresa's like the bonus here, an unexpected dream come true for him. :)
He cant because everyone who is close to jane could be killed from RJ. So he is kinda scared of that fact. 2. When he was In the plane with lisbon he said he has emotional problems...
@@daniellorenz5993 not everyone. Kinda inclined to say not anyone at all. RJ's issue with Jane is personal. He called hhim a sad, little man or something of the sort. RJ knew Jane's wife's carnival people, her brother, his colleagues (that other psychic). RJ didn't have a quarrel with them; he had his with Jane himself. And even then, they weren't as close to him as say his wife and daughter. In short, RJ isn't the mass shooter or serial killer you think of that kills just to kill. He targets specifically those who copy him, mock him, or those close to those. That being said, I don't know if Jane knew that of RJ (that he is on his nose and isn't once and gone killer), and seems like it as he dated Frye (the psychic that later mentioned RJ). But when RJ then was suspected to have kidnapped her, and confirmed later when he freed (well, saved but not exactly freed) Jane from those film club RJ copycats, he reminded him Frye sens her greatest love. At that point he knew for sure RJ is following him, and thisr he loved to this point. Though Jane warned her for the interview (when she was put into CBI supervision, which points to the possibility one of the supervisors might have been part of the Blake organization in hindsight), he told her she doesn't know whom she is dealing with. But I doubt he knew if he follows victims then. Frye is a fresh victim in this regard and is irrelevant to Jane's statement about RJ. If RJ didn't know about Jane's relationship with Frye, and he just followed the news, he would've told Jane just (Frye is enjoying her loss of [brother or something like this]), but RJ knew of her relationship with Jane. Having Jane known that, past that point, he must've known better than to express his feelings to Lisbon, if he had them over the (am I over my wife's loss and having not killed RJ that I go on dating women now) threshold to begin with. But thr plane thing you talk about is after RJ's murder. And his emotional issues weren't that he couldn't date a woman (he dated Frye, kissed his psychiatrist, Miller in the make him good or bad neurological machine episode, in a [I owe you my life sense, and wish you a good career after having your organization ruined with the scandal] sense. Lorelei doesn't really count as he probably was too drunk, was acting like he gave up on RJ, or possibly truly gave up fr this time, but only woken up by his mention. So Lorelei doesn't count as dating). He did date women after his wife's murder. Let me put it this way. What he wanted to tell Lisbon was (You know I can't imagine loving a woman and have my heart at peace after what RJ did. Even after killing RJ, the idea of losing whomever I'm dating tragically still haunts me to this day. If I didn't confess this to you before Lisbon, you know why, and you know better than anyone else why. Gives me RE8 Rose vibes. I'm not interested in their life romantically, but had there been a follow up show, I wish they bring up a daughter, call her Charlotte. When she gets to 20, they flew from TX to CA, to the cemetery. Bring her to her stepmom, stepsister, prove to her it's her father's daughter. "Your dad, darling, was a psychic. He insulted a serial killer. Killed your stepsister. Joined the CBI for 10 years for when I was the head of investigation office. Found him eventually. You dad darling brought down the most corrupt circle of corrupt Californian law enforcement personnel to the ground! He almost got killed, thrice those night and day! Once in the burning house, once in hospital, and once by RJ's hands himself! He was, and still is a brave man. Ewcaped to Mexico. Went back to FBI, where I "freely" joined him. Until eventually I married him. And this grave, is why you're called so. It sounds rude to say honey, but.. your stepsister had to die for you to be. If she were alive, you wouldn't be here. Her blood was the price for your existence.
This scene is sad, because Lisbon once again put all her trust in him, and she felt devastated that he couldn't trust her & her feelings for him are so clear. But this isn't the first time, the episode War of the Roses, with Erica Flyn, when Lisbon told him, is time to get her back she served her purposes, he said no, because he needed her. If you looked at Lisbon expression, was almost painful at this one. And Jane look at her as surprise and he smiled, like he couldn't believe she was Jealous. I know his motivation at this moment in the show is to get to RJ, but he can read Lisbon, and in a way he manipulates her to also get what he wants. I know he cares about her, but his arrogance to be right, and to get what he wants, hurts people like Lisbon.
Exactly, she showed milion time she would do anything for him, she crossed lines to help him, he put her career in jeopardy and sure he is Mentalist he knew she has feelings for him it was clear as day at this point and it was showing much earlier,he knew that but he used that to manipulate her,I get his main goal was to catch and kill RJ at any cost and I know he wouldn't put her life or any team member in jeopardy but man I was pissed at him during the whole story line with Lorelei because he was jerk to Lisbon and she didn't deserved that at all.
@@Alona2811 Sorry but he has'nt manipulated her at all, they've known each other for a long time now and she knows how he is and in the end he always ends up telling her the thruth and she still follows him even knowing it. Jane also loves Lisbon , he would kill anyone for saving her. We must not forget that when he had to choose either catch Red John or saves Lisbon he always chose her. (Sorry for my bad English).
@@el_gol no problem your English is good,and I am inclined to agree with you, yes she always followed him and yes he did choose always to save her rather then to chase RJ,but English isn't my first language, my point was he knew she has feelings for him and he manipulated her feelings to get what he wanted, he knew she wouldn't report what he did ,and also this whole Lorelei story was to much for me because his actions were questionable when it comes to her,But that is just from my point of view, I respect your opinion
@@Alona2811 I understand your point but i still disagree too. They are not a couple at that time and remember that she also slept with that rich guy they just met in one of their cases and with some other guys. At least he is doing it for a reason, getting lorelei's trust to catch Red John. Obviously i respect your opinion too and i'm just discussing this because i love this serie too much.
@@el_gol hahaah same I discuss it also because I love the show and I love to hear different opinions and point of views because I want to understand show better, and yeah she slept with Walter but do you think she would do that if she saw that Janes feelings were hurt or that he is jealous,he even teasedher for him.He knew Lisbon has feelings for him and he hurt her by putting trust in criminal and not his partner who had his back, and yup he do that to get Lorelei's trust so he could get RJ and Lisbon warned him she was playing him and she did played him and because he broke her out of prison and let her get away she was going around torturing and killing ppl , I totally get Lisbon in this scene, she only asked him to tell her if he heard something from Lorelei and he didn't, she felt betrayed, after all the years helping him being his partner and friend he put his trust in criminal, I am sorry but she got over him leaving them for 6 months ,she got over him offering Lorelei to get her free,she got over him breaking her out of prison but she is cop and she couldn't be ok with her going around and killing ppl and Jane protecting her.We obviously have different opinions and I appreciate looking at it from different points of view, because I am watching Mentalist for second time and first time I watched for me was all about Jane,he couldn't be wrong, he couldn't do anything wrong, I was very focused on his story and his character but now I am paying attention to the other characters because first time I watched I didn't took into consideration their feelings, emotions etc.
"I will do anything that I can to get to Red John..."- That was kinda a Lie. He wouldn't hurt Lisbon in the result of getting R.J. And he's shown that he wouldn't hurt her for R.J.
Geoffrey Sorkin I am not sure that he abandonned her for preventing her to stop him from hurting R.J maybe also because he didn’t wanted her to be hurt. I mean if she for example would have been with him (even if Jane didnt knew about thé bomb he had a gun so it could have gone bad) she would have been hurt maybe Killed by the bomb And I think it would have NEVER forgave himself
Yes and his worst fear came through when RJ kidnapped Lisbon and painted smiley on her face which jane wiped out from his handkerchief....that's called true love...
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 he left the red face in his room to as far as we knew he stayed in CA. He didn't mind seeing the face himself. He just didn't want her to think RJ had his hands on her or was in imminent danger by him at some point (only reached that pretpert or whoever, but not her). He didn't want her to feel afraid. You do recall his panicked look when he saw her with the explosive vest, don't you?
Even for the fact Jane loves Lisbon, he is protecting her of RJ , he puts a lot of misery on her. In season 6 Lisbon will show him that she can also generate a lot of misery in him. And for his arrogance he deserves it.
It's not like RJ killed his wife and daughter, right? Anyone in his situation would do the same! He don't deserve nothing back because he didn't do it for fun. He had a purpose. A pretty strong one!
@@TheLucasGregoryPike was a distraction of the Lisbon's feelings. Lorelai was for hot. A distraction on his purpose. A chapter in the game tiger/lamb with RJ. Lisbon was jealous but right. He risked a lot for him and the team. He made a lot of missery for him , Lisbon and the team. Lorelai never had intention to share RJ real name with him. Jane was envolved and manipulated . He wasn't in his owns. He couldn't think clearly with Lorelai. All the plot line with Lorelai was a shit. Lorelai was an object shared between Jane and RJ. A gift of RJ to Jane a kind of retribution after what he did to Angela. He raped and killed Angela and then give Jane his mistress Lorelai and invited Jane to share Lorelai and do as he wanted with her. Lorelai said Jane: "you can hit me if you want." That words would been the end of the Jane/Lorelai/ RJ's triangle. The Lorelai's history will be ended at 4x24 chapter. The game: i played with Angela now i invite you to play with my mistress Lorelai. The proposal to play: Jane/Angela /RJ and then RJ/Lorelai/Jane was in the air and Jane played that game with RJ. A shit. That would be the end of team or the end of the show. I hate the writers for that plot line. Then Lisbon retribute missery to Jane , destroyed his arrogance and and his assurance about the unconditional love of Lisbon, it caused him to lower his alpha male ego and the protective barriers of his feelings and totally changed the power relations between them. He can't her left her job or move or do anything on Jane's demand. Lisbon is the Jane's kriptonyte and only a baby perhaps only a baby can do the dirty work of getting her out of her dangerous job. At 7x11 Jane surely could perceive Lisbon's pregnancy and he counts on that.
1:40 "see if I am bluffing?" She wasn't, despite her feelings for Jane she would not let a murder walk away. At this point of course Jane already knew Lisbon was in love with him, the same he was and confessed already, but he would never consider that or feed that feelling at all, RJ was alive and so close. He really was trying to be as honest as he could be with her, Jane here is not in his complete cold mode, he let it clear that for him he didn't lie to her, and since she pushed and wanted the truth he admitted to have some feelings for Lorelei, but he did could not say that, he didn't love her at all, he knew who she was from the start, when they slept together he knew all along why she was there, but he sympathized with her, RJ made her, he took all she loved to make her who she was and Jane understood that. But he did was cruel to Lisbon, he could be easier with her feelings but he was worried also, I do think in his way he was pushing her away from him emotionally to protect her.
That for sure or he also realized Lisbon is right and he is lying to him self even and he has developed some kind of feelings for Lorelei, but he also could see much earlier that Lisbon has feelings for him, I mean she was very jealous when he kissed Lorelei in the interrogation room ,and when she snapped at him ,he could see that.
This scene has so much compassion and hint of jealousy and robin tunney takes the limelight for this particular scene from Simon Baker...and those who are saying Jane was in love with Lorelai Martins so sorry to burst your bubble he is not in love with lorelai..Jane only loved angela and then lisbon...he only loved these two womens in his whole life yes he has sympathy for lorelai bcs what happened to her sister but nothing more...people often confusing being attracted to someone is same as being in love with someone which is definitely not..jane was attracted to lorelai so did with erica Flynn or lisbon was attracted to mashburn or pike...but jane and lisbon loved each other and absolutely made for each other and they are not some horny teenagers who just grab and kiss each other at every opportunity for that rigsby and vanpelt is enough in the show...they are mature adults though sometimes they behave like a love struck teenagers while blushing and giggling in front of each other...they are same replica of sherlock and john in bbc sherlock...
I so much agree with every word what you said here. And Pike was the same for Lisbon like in BBC Sherlock Mary was for John, a distraction, but in fact John loved always Sherlock and Lisbon loved Jane and of course vice versa, and both, Mary and Pike knew the truth.
@@christinabeyer9298 hehehe thanks for agreeing with me...I absolutely agree with you...as one of my fav author Paulo Coelho quoted One is loved because one is loved. No reason is needed for loving....Jane and lisbon loved each other and they dont need a reason for it just like John and Sherlock in BBC series..offcourse at the end they are happy families in both the series..."Love conquers all"....only thinks matters at the end...
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 Yes, absolutely agree with you. You're so right. Pike said a few times to Lisbon she should rethink well, if she really wanted to go with him to Washington.
@@christinabeyer9298 nahh Lisbon was never wanted to go Washington, Jane is Lisbon platonic boyfriend for years, she has learn few tricks from him, she wanted to Jane to confess his feelings to her and saying "I love you" loud that's why she come up with this idea bcs a career oriented women like Lisbon will never threw his Job away for some men she barely knew for few months...she just wanted Jane to bend his knees and confess I love you and she succeeded in her plan...and pls this my opinion...maybe few will not agree with me...but I had watched this show very closely for years...
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 Yes, I think you're right, Lisbon only suggested Pike she was interested in to go with him to Washington, but actually never wanted it. She was seemingly very angry about Janes maneuver with the fake letter to an unsolved case to hold her back, so she decided to went to the airport to took the next plane to Washington to bring him to the love confession actually both wanted. And we knew it worked very well.
Not underlining something with an image or factual scene just empowers and gives even more meaning to the feeling this scene involves. Not going to kiss her or anything just made this even more powerful.
actualy he got the most important information that he shoke hands with RJ which lead to the list which lead eventualy to killing him so y he knew what he was getting
@@DarkMaxStorm actually she just spitted out in the heat of the moment and anger in front of jane otherwise she dont have any intentions to share Red John name to Jane...my opinion...
There’s alot of emotions here. Jane is clouded by his desire to find Red John and feeling some compassion for Lorelai while simultaneously using her. Lisbon’s feelings for Jane are seeping to the surface. I think Jane is trying to read her but perhaps she was able to hide just enough that he wasn’t sure exactly what was happening with Lisbon because Lisbon is able to control her emotions although you can see in her eyes that there is more. At the very, very least, Jane does sorta explain and apologize. Lisbon lays down an ultimatum and they have a stare-down, but Jane is the one who backs down, I think, while Lisbon holds her ground. He never likes it when Lisbon is angry at him. This is such a well-acted scene between the two of them. It’s true that Jane has always run off to explore whatever hunches develop in his brain. He comes and goes as he eliminates clues. So the fact that this particular time really bothers Lisbon shows that she’s developing feelings for Jane. She probably doesn’t know herself why this is bothering her so much. There's a lot of negativity towards this storyline, but after watching "Red Sails in the Sunset" (05x08), there are plenty of clues that Jane is not really interested in Lorelei. He specifically asks for a room without a TV. When they first meet, they are watching TV together before they sleep together. Was he trying to avoid doing this again? Just trying to keep it business? When she kisses him before she leaves, he holds her at bay. There is no embrace. At the end of the episode, he says all his efforts were worth it because he did get another clue: that Red John is someone he already knows. This helps him to narrow down the suspects. This episode shows that Jane's desire for vengeance potentially could turn him very dark. In 05x16 "There Will Be Blood," Jane confronts Lorelai about her brutality, showing that he doesn't approve of her methods. And to be honest, the fact that Lorelai does not allow Patrick to get involved is kinda a nice thing that she did for him. They both seek vengeance for their loved ones. She recognizes that she is going down the dark path and knows there is no way back for her. She wants, and encourages, him to stay on the better path. "You and me are on different roads, I hope." I think her role in his life is to remind him not to go down the wrong path like her, because in 05x08, he was looking pretty creepy at that end there. When Lorelai leaves to find Red John, Patrick doesn’t follow her because he is more interested in learning what Jason Lennon knows. He already knows she is no match for Red John. He tries to stop her but she won’t listen. Instead, she distracts him with a kiss and then shoots Jason Lennon and goes back on their agreement about giving Jane RJ’s real name. Jane is pissed about this. Lisbon was right about Lorelei, after all. (But Jane was right about the phone tapping in 06x01, so I think they're even.) It’s also significant that when Lisbon asks Jane to stay behind while the team stakes out the board members, Jane follows her orders. He is showing his respect for Lisbon, and perhaps trying to show his appreciation to her after she stuck her neck out for him. When Jane sees that RJ has killed Lorelai, his response is simply “She had it coming.” They shared a connection through their tragedies, but he only goes after her when he thinks she can provide him information. Once she goes back on that promise, he has no more use for her and does not chase her. He does not respond to her loss the same way he responds when he thinks Lisbon is in danger.
I think inside Jane's fake breakdown at the end of season four was a concealed real breakdown: an exhausted impatience with his hunt for RJ that led him to take a gamble on embodying the role of an undercover agent. In a warped way, Jane's genuine empathy for Lorelei (a woman who physically resembled Teresa, and psychologically resembled Jane if he had become a nihilist after his wife's death) accidentally revealed his inability to be as cold and unfeeling as he'd hoped. His warmth became real, but neither real nor fake affection could get him what he wanted from Lorelei, only the same trickery he had all along could. His con job was what won the slip up that led him to RJ, and that gave him the strength to move past the crisis of his battle fatigue. That and Lorelei's self destruction which he no doubt saw as a reflection of a more reckless version of himself.
I will never believe Jane had anything resembling love to Lorelei. Only that empathy you mentioned, nothing more to the mistress of his family's killer. And that empathy wasn't something he cherished or was proud of - its nature is more reflex, involuntary, it's just a sign of his true loving and empathetic heart. As for Erica - that kiss resembles me a scene from a zoo: a guy tests himself if he is brave and strong enough to touch some scary predator, a coyote or a hyena. He really is curious what it feels like to kiss this thing. So he does it and walks away. So many viewers fell for Erica's sex appeal - I wonder how they manage to forget that Jane isn't fooled by looks, to him people usually are transparent so he definitely sees how ugly is that manipulative woman. He chooses not to judge, and I admire him for it but he can't help seeing right through Erica's wonderful looks down to her sociopathic core totally void of empathy. One more thing: I love a nice contrast from the 1st season: how Jane and that weirdo pick-up artist Fricke described the secrets of conquering a woman. Fricke's bullshit way was contempt, control, excitement, while Jane simply named love and affection as keys to any woman's heart. Ironically he wasn't ready to act openly on his own principles when his relationship with Teresa was threatened, he had to try trickery first. But still during the first 6 seasons he continued to give Lisbon his love and affection - only secretly or sometimes even subconsciously. That 'Anything for you, Lisbon', that constant care, all the beautiful things you mention in your comments proving that Teresa was never 'a toy' for him (ridiculous thing to say!!!). He never missed an opportunity to say or do something really showing his love to her when he had a chance to do it as part of some plot: his 'I love you' in that rehab center (and with a changed voice!), his long and funny 'I've always wanted to tell you but never got a chance' when picking the door of that bomber (best trick to make that guy listen carefully what he was 'trying to say' and not hearing the sounds of the door being opened), all the times he found excuses to touch her, to cheer her up - pure love and affection, 'More Than Words'...
Jane is like an Asimovian robot. He obeys his ownThree Laws: First Law -. Jane may not injure Lisbon or, through inaction, allow Lisbon being to come to harm. (But he can lie to her, deceit her, hide information etc.) Second Law - Jane must protect his own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First Law. ( He would gladly sacrifice his life for Lisbon, knowing that she will continue the hunt for Red John (pun intended) ) Third Law - Jane must hunt down Red John, except where hunting down Red John would conflict with the First or Second Laws . (He would never endanger Lisbon in order to continue the hunt, and he himself will try to stay out of the harm's way until the final checkmate). Granted, compared to the original laws of the robotics the second and third laws are kinda swapped ... but as far as I can tell that's the wiring inside Jane's head. :) Prove me wrong if you can, with examples from the show. :D
@Bill McKay Ha! will there be a series of Foundation next year?!? Finally! :D I mean, as movies go, The Bicentennial Man was good, and even I, Robot struck the right chords, but it was high time for a Foundation series. I wonder how will they handle the heavy dialogues, that are a central part of Asimov's works. I hope they won't dumb them down ...
Jane intends to kill Red John, even if he is convicted afterwards. That puts Hunting Down Red John before Preserving Jane’s Own Life. That proves that the Three Laws Of Jane exactly parallel those of robots. Dying while going after Red John would violate my Rule 2, except in a Reichenbach Falls situation like Holmes and Moriarty, where he dies killing Red John.
Jane is not only a man who suffered a tragedy that he has to avenge, he is a harassed man. Your stalker is willing to destroy every relationship he finds in his way. He knows he needs to get rid of the man who destroyed his life and will continue to do so. It's like a woman stalked by her ex who knows she can never have another person and family until her stalker is neutralized.
1:20 This is the moment Jane realizes she's in love with him... I mean, come on, he can read her, so he can also the hurt in her eyes talking about Lorelei...
DivineDil I think that of course he see the pain in her eyes but at that time he wouldnt even admit his own feelings towards her so accepting that Lisbon could love him ? I dont think he thought that was possible
Jane has long since taken Lisbon's love for granted. In this chapter he is surprised by the intensity of the reproach and anguish that he generates in Lisbon and I think for the first time he feels insecure about the response he will get from her. I think for the first time he feels that this could be the end of his partnership with her. This will been the end.
Gosh, this was basically a loveconfession he just ignored it. we know it was to protect her and ok it still takes three year for them but im feeling so sorry for her. i remeber watching it the day after the episode came out and i nearly died for wanting to kill Jane for not grabbing and kissing her. But to be fai that wasnt an option at that time.
Yeah I was so mad back then when this was airing, actually I didn't like him or how he treated Lisbon during the whole storyline with him and Lorelei, he was pretty much jerk.He knew long before this she has feelings for him, back when he let Erica escape, when he kissed Lorelei in interrogation room while Lisbon was listening she showed him that she is jealous and he choose to ignore her feelings because I guess at that time he was focused on revenge, or he didn't want her to suffer same fate as his wife and child, or maybe he simply wasn't emotionally ready to kiss her at that moment, but that doesn't change the fact that he used her feelings to manipulate her,to put her job in jeopardy, to deceive her, lie to her,to help Lorelei escape prison and he did basically the same when Erica escaped and he defend a cold blooded killer Lorelei when she was torturing ppl, he put Lisbon through hell and I admired her that she stood by him after all he did .
@@Alona2811 He also asked Lorelei what that would prove. Actors kiss on stage as a matter of course in their roles without any deeper meaning. Lisbon often struggles to understand how deep a game Jane is capable of playing.. That said, after he realized Lorelei was also a victim of Red John, Jane's attitude towards her did seem to change to one more of actual affection.
Instead of “I don’t know what to tell you Jane” maybe she should have said “well I guess that makes me an obstacle on your quest to Red John. But you’ve known that since the start” #SignMeUp #WriterCareerHereWeGo
Jane is sexually atracted for Lorelai and in certain point he understand her. Jane is confussed and hot.He's envolved with Lorelei and that's a perverse shit because he share the mistress with the killer of his wife and daugther. Jane risked a lot to obtein little. Lorelei never share the RJ name. She played him. She put him on, like a toaster.
@@maxnaturamour7200 naa .Jane risked a lot to obtein a little. Lorelei played him.She never had the intention to share RJ's information with Jane and Jane share with her really important and exclusive photo of Miranda death where she puts the name of her killer Roy= RJ. Jane anyway without the data of having shook RJ's hands would have found out anyway.
Jane "i would do anything to get to red John....I would propose to her right now and make kids with her and make her the happiest women with the biggest diamond just to get to Red John" Lisbon "are you sure you want Red John? it sounds like you want her then Red right now"
This is more than jealousy, it is about the work between colleagues and the mutual trust betrayed by Jane and his arrogance and blindness that prevent him from realizing that Lisbon is right and that Lorelei is using him by taking him on the leash like a pet
Sex sells. They could have shown Jane faking his collapse by going from bed to bed and showing Lisbon jealous. But showing Lorelei as a shared thing between Jane and his wife and daughter's serial killer as a stepping stone to RJ showed a degree of Jane's moral damage and a series of legally punishable acts, serious crimes, with the police being misled. hard to believe. Not even Simon's excellent performances and Robin can't save season 5. The disastrous plot line of evil history and incredible of Lorelei introduced in the series outside the line of the show. Too much intensity, perversion and insanity and when they turned back the demure and mature love of Jane and Lisbon was left without pepper and sex. The Lorelei mermaid wrecked the show.
Well is it just me or is it inconvenient and disappointing to confess having feelings for another woman while he already happened to like Lisbon - I mean it is already the 5th season and his love for Lisbon did not happen out of the blue! How could an individual's heart act on multiple directions...!!! If I was drawn to a certain person I would want to make sure that our virtually evolving connection remains protected and clean of any incidents that might hurt or jeopardize a possible union...!
Well I was thinking the same,I thing he developed feelings for her through years but either he wasn't ready to admit to himself he has feelings for her ,of he didn't think he deserves someone like her and that is why he was drawn to women like Erica and Lorelei or he didn't want anything deeper with her because she would become most likely next target for RJ,and like you said for me was really disappointing that he confessed his feelings for Lorelei to Lisbon especially because he could see Lisbon had feelings for him and he didn't just hurt her feelings by that,she was hurt because he betrayed their partnership and friendship ,at least that is my opinion
@@Alona2811 to be honest, the writers always tend to tease the audience by inducing such "threatingly attractive " characters into the show (Erica, Lorelei, etc...) where the leading man tends to show interest (clear tension and chemistry involved ) in other females and make them appear as potential rivals challenging the liability of an authentically romantic connection between our favored main characters (Teresa & Patrick)... The writers enjoy teasing us and keep us guessing (will they or won't they get together) for like ten years... (this happens in all shows: X-Files, Jag, NCIS...). Normally and in real life it is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain a partnership under the name of friendship when there are romantic feelings involved (even if only one sided), let alone keeping it cool and professional when either or both of them seek to pursue a romantic relationship with a third person. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE, and yet we keep making assumptions and justifications (he won't let her close so that she doesn't become a target... ) trying to find excuses for them as to why/how do they avoid making tangible relationship-decisions until only after the final episode of the final season of decade long show. It's hilarious and we (the audience) seem happy to buy it.
He confessed to having feelings... Not what kind they were. He didn't love Lorelei or even particularly care for her. I think he saw her as someone similar to him due to her drive for revenge and because RJ murdered the person she loved most too. He identified with her bloodthirst and her ease of manipulation: not her as a person. Entirely different to his love and care for Lisbon.
No, he isn't. Having some feelings for her doesn't mean he's in love, he's only attracted/attached to her cause he slept with her and probably relates to her for what happened to her sister but in 5x08 he didn't even want to kiss her
Jane only loved angela and then lisbon...he only loved these two womens in his whole life yes he has sympathy for lorelai bcs what happened to her sister but nothing more...people often confusing being attracted to someone is same as being in love with someone which is definitely not..jane was attracted to lorelai so did with erica Flynn or lisbon was attracted to mashburn or pike...but jane and lisbon loved each other and absolutely made for each other and they are not some horny teenagers for that rigsby and vanpelt is enough in the show...they are mature adults though sometimes they behave like a love struck teenagers while blushing and giggling in front of each other...
No he's hot.He can understand the Lorelai's drama but he' s almost sexually atracted for her and very very hot.Without sexual atraction Jane had stopped that a long time a go.
It took me a while to realize that it is strangely to Jane's credit that he cared for Lorelei at all. I found it noxious initially, but in retrospect it reveals who he really is: a powerfully manipulative man who can't outrun his flesh and blood heart. He couldn't help feel compassion when he got close enough to manipulate her, but he still let her loose knowing she could run right back to Red John. Even Agent Darcy got more protectiveness from him than that. He cared for her, but to say he was in love with her when he wound her up and shot her straight at Red John is just not accurate. It was shamefully shortsighted of him not to realize she'd try to kill RJ herself, and that's because his desire to kill RJ outweighed his concern for her. Between Lisbon's safety and Red John, he always chose Lisbon's safety. His compassion for Lorelei couldn't reach that far.
I liked the relationship between Lorelei and Patrick. It was mysterious, unpredictable, and romantic. Lisbon and Jane was predictable. Especially since Lisbon is so transparent you know she's in love with him. It wasn't a surprise at all they married at the end. Lorelei and Patrick storyline was WAY more interesting. They may have used each other but the chemistry between them was electric! Lisbon and Jane SO BORING!!
When she said “now your really lying” she took a step back because she felt so betrayed and as you watch Janes eyes I think this is the moment he realized Lisbon loved him...
for someone pulling facial expressions of pain and anger at the same time, robin tunney wins for me the best acting scene ever
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Same dude
Agreed, after watching this series I think she has the best facial expressions in Hollywood.
Its true
Cena muito forte . Jane falou que gostou de Lorelei, mesmo sabendo que Lisbon o amava. Eu sei que ele a protegia mas ele foi muito duro com as palavras! Lisbon foi perfeita na cena eu amei muito o que ela falou pra ele!
I REALLY can't believe or understand how Simon and Robin didn't get at least one Emmy or Golden Globe for this series (and the same series as it had no awards itself) they as actors are SO REAL and NATURAL, their acting along with their script writing was powerful and this scene is a prime example! You can really feel that pain, that love and that sad tension, in that moment you see them and they ARE the characters, you don't see "the actors" playing a character. 🙌✨ Really, I'm so sad and disappointed to see how the awards industry ignored them.. what other series was "better" and "more important" for them in those years (2008-2015) to despise the mentalist like they did? it's even a miracle that Simon at least got his star in Hollywood. 🥺
I agree. Simon Baker’s acting is so powerful in the dramatic scenes, and his comedic timing is so good. I laugh, I cry. He is better than most actors today.
Damn, there's so much tension in this scene . And Jane perfectly realises she got feeelings for him, but he won't admit that until a looooooong time.
Because his goal now is RJ, not the new love story. And he was hurt deep enough to even dream about it again.
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That should have happened. It was too much. The Lorelei affair led his life to disaster, dragging Lisbon, her team and the show too. An insistent plot and totally out of the aesthetics of the show.
@@townscapelandscape5159 I agree she should end their partnership at this point, he did go into to deep this time,I get he wanted RJ no matter the coast, but Lisbon should think of her career and her team not how to help someone who wouldn't accept help except on his terms.
Lucky Black
I agree with your point of view. I think the writers planned to end the show in season 5 with a disaster. They invented the mermaid Lorelei leading Jane, Lisbon and their team to the end after committing crimes together with Jane before the complicity by default of Lisbon and his team. For some reason or because they got a contract for another season or because of audience pressure they decided to go back with that idea. But in my opinion the damage to the show was already done.
@@townscapelandscape5159 well thank God for fans, although that whole Lorelei thing and going behind Lisbons back, betraying her trust always leaves bitter taste in my mouth, whenever I watch,because I always thought that Jane has 2 things in his life 1. Revenge and 2 Lisbon, someone he can trust and who will be there for him ,and when he betrayed the person who had his back this whole time because of the hunch, or something that maybe will give him answers I was disappointed,he disregarded one person who would do anything for hin because of "Maybe" .
I love Robin's acting here . She's damn spot on & she gave a whole lot of dignity to Lisbon's characterization . I am glad the writer's didn't show her getting weak or anything . They kept her tough cop persona consistent & that made this scene so brilliant !
She was his dummy playingthing, have u watched the same series as the rest of us? He knew she loved him all these years. Like yeah, she was supposed to be this tough cop and she was for the outside world, but in the main relationship of the entire series he held all the cards and she was his toy…
@@kompognatus she was his friend, and he was hers. He's secretive and controlling, but he isn't some grodey sexist lizard working her like a puppet.
He is nervous under her genuine anger, becomes tearful when she's ashamed of him, looks to her pointedly for reassurance when he feels insecure, basks in her attention, spends all his free time with her, and gifts her with food he then eagerly watches her enjoy. When she is threatened, he *ruins* the people responsible, when she's happy he glows with pleasure, when she's in danger he is nauseated with fear.
This man fucking loved her, and you're a narcissist who paid no attention to the show.
Honestly, the pure idiocy of loser narcissists who think this show is dogwhistling to their ego makes my skin crawl.
Jane is the protagonist, of course the story is mostly about him, and of course he's the cleverest person on the team, and of course he's determined to accomplish his most important goal even if it takes forever and breaks some rules.
But Teresa was never a spineless idiot, and Jane never treated her like one.
Between RJ and Lisbon's safety he chose Lisbon's safety--most of his manipulation towards her was to keep her safe. She held him to a standard, called him out on every bit of bullsh*t, refused to let him withdraw from his friends when he became despondent in 1X23 and 3X01, went to bat for him against bosses and colleagues, saved his life multiple times, helped him when he was unable to help himself again and again, and this very clip here is a lead up to her asking him not to go with them to catch Lorelei and for Lisbon--even though it connected directly to his hunt for RJ--he was willing to do that, until he realized they needed his help. For her he risked dying from a suicide jacket blast before he could get revenge. For her he tried to leave Lorelei in the CBI's hands. For her he killed his only lead to RJ to save her life.
"ShE wAs HiS tOy!"
STFU.
@@tabithaprovan957 couldn't have said it better myself. kudos to you
Agree Tabitha,kudos for you👍🏻
they are really great actors seriously
Poor Lisbon...she's almost crying...and Jane didn't stop staring at her ! For sure he realised she's in love with him...
+Bybance Saetre he probably knows already, maybe he wasn't expecting to be confronted with the intensity of her feeling and seeing her on the verge of crying
And jane is in love with lisbon too, typical husband he was expecting lisbon to sit like a wife at home while he keep screwing serial killer mistress offcourse he dont have any feelings for lorelai Martin's but he want to find out red john and a men can go any length to find his peace...
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 He' s hot and Lorelei played him.She puts on Jane like a toaster. And Lisbon is right. She knows it. Jane was usefull for Lorelei. Jane was a jerk .He risked a lot to obtein a little.
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 Is really a big perversion to share the mistress of your wife and daugther killer's. Lorelei played Jane. He's hot and can't handle his feelings.He's not in his owns. He is not in full control of himself and undoubtedly RJ perversely enjoys this.
I hate that shit in that show.
Bybance Saetre. This isn't about love, this is about power, she wants him to fall back in line and settle down, he's telling her he's not going to back off finding Red John, that's why he didn't look away, it's a stare-down!
Even after 5 years, i still feel the same gut-wrenching tension i felt the first time i watched it, although the first time i watched, i couldn't even look at the screen it cause the tension was just so damn high.
👏👏👏 Credits to Robin's acting
Their eye contact is so intense in this scene.
shivers
But yet she knew who was on the phone without looking!
@@bebo5558 You can see her looking at her phone in this shot 2:04
@@j.c.t. IT WAS A JOKE! Are you always so easily triggered?
@@bebo5558 No need to get aggressive. I genuinely thought you didn't notice it, so I just wanted to help. 😁
I've always heard women were more in touch with her feelings, but I've never realized women were so good at understanding and reading feelings until I started to see the comment section. I swear 99% of men wouldn't make such a detailed and well thought analysis os the feelings of the characters
I actually love that even when he just confirmed in silence that she has deeper feelings for him (not just blushing this time), he didnt grab her, kiss her, or anything like that. M glad it didnt go there. Coz if it did, then it would be just another drama series only with detective work and police chases. It would be very cliche. M glad it turned out this way hehe, the show wasnt about them two (like Castle), it's about Jane, him being a mentalist and his pursuit of RJ. Teresa's like the bonus here, an unexpected dream come true for him. :)
As bruno heller said it is Jane and Lisbon we are talking about not fifty shades of grey...and I'm happy the way they are...
He cant because everyone who is close to jane could be killed from RJ. So he is kinda scared of that fact. 2. When he was In the plane with lisbon he said he has emotional problems...
@Epic T Why do you think that it is overrated?
THIS !! ♥ So true @fortresssnug 🙌
@@daniellorenz5993 not everyone. Kinda inclined to say not anyone at all. RJ's issue with Jane is personal. He called hhim a sad, little man or something of the sort. RJ knew Jane's wife's carnival people, her brother, his colleagues (that other psychic). RJ didn't have a quarrel with them; he had his with Jane himself. And even then, they weren't as close to him as say his wife and daughter.
In short, RJ isn't the mass shooter or serial killer you think of that kills just to kill. He targets specifically those who copy him, mock him, or those close to those.
That being said, I don't know if Jane knew that of RJ (that he is on his nose and isn't once and gone killer), and seems like it as he dated Frye (the psychic that later mentioned RJ). But when RJ then was suspected to have kidnapped her, and confirmed later when he freed (well, saved but not exactly freed) Jane from those film club RJ copycats, he reminded him Frye sens her greatest love. At that point he knew for sure RJ is following him, and thisr he loved to this point. Though Jane warned her for the interview (when she was put into CBI supervision, which points to the possibility one of the supervisors might have been part of the Blake organization in hindsight), he told her she doesn't know whom she is dealing with. But I doubt he knew if he follows victims then. Frye is a fresh victim in this regard and is irrelevant to Jane's statement about RJ. If RJ didn't know about Jane's relationship with Frye, and he just followed the news, he would've told Jane just (Frye is enjoying her loss of [brother or something like this]), but RJ knew of her relationship with Jane.
Having Jane known that, past that point, he must've known better than to express his feelings to Lisbon, if he had them over the (am I over my wife's loss and having not killed RJ that I go on dating women now) threshold to begin with.
But thr plane thing you talk about is after RJ's murder. And his emotional issues weren't that he couldn't date a woman (he dated Frye, kissed his psychiatrist, Miller in the make him good or bad neurological machine episode, in a [I owe you my life sense, and wish you a good career after having your organization ruined with the scandal] sense. Lorelei doesn't really count as he probably was too drunk, was acting like he gave up on RJ, or possibly truly gave up fr this time, but only woken up by his mention. So Lorelei doesn't count as dating). He did date women after his wife's murder.
Let me put it this way. What he wanted to tell Lisbon was (You know I can't imagine loving a woman and have my heart at peace after what RJ did. Even after killing RJ, the idea of losing whomever I'm dating tragically still haunts me to this day. If I didn't confess this to you before Lisbon, you know why, and you know better than anyone else why.
Gives me RE8 Rose vibes. I'm not interested in their life romantically, but had there been a follow up show, I wish they bring up a daughter, call her Charlotte. When she gets to 20, they flew from TX to CA, to the cemetery. Bring her to her stepmom, stepsister, prove to her it's her father's daughter.
"Your dad, darling, was a psychic. He insulted a serial killer. Killed your stepsister. Joined the CBI for 10 years for when I was the head of investigation office. Found him eventually. You dad darling brought down the most corrupt circle of corrupt Californian law enforcement personnel to the ground! He almost got killed, thrice those night and day! Once in the burning house, once in hospital, and once by RJ's hands himself! He was, and still is a brave man.
Ewcaped to Mexico. Went back to FBI, where I "freely" joined him. Until eventually I married him.
And this grave, is why you're called so. It sounds rude to say honey, but.. your stepsister had to die for you to be. If she were alive, you wouldn't be here. Her blood was the price for your existence.
This scene is sad, because Lisbon once again put all her trust in him, and she felt devastated that he couldn't trust her & her feelings for him are so clear. But this isn't the first time, the episode War of the Roses, with Erica Flyn, when Lisbon told him, is time to get her back she served her purposes, he said no, because he needed her. If you looked at Lisbon expression, was almost painful at this one. And Jane look at her as surprise and he smiled, like he couldn't believe she was Jealous.
I know his motivation at this moment in the show is to get to RJ, but he can read Lisbon, and in a way he manipulates her to also get what he wants.
I know he cares about her, but his arrogance to be right, and to get what he wants, hurts people like Lisbon.
Exactly, she showed milion time she would do anything for him, she crossed lines to help him, he put her career in jeopardy and sure he is Mentalist he knew she has feelings for him it was clear as day at this point and it was showing much earlier,he knew that but he used that to manipulate her,I get his main goal was to catch and kill RJ at any cost and I know he wouldn't put her life or any team member in jeopardy but man I was pissed at him during the whole story line with Lorelei because he was jerk to Lisbon and she didn't deserved that at all.
@@Alona2811 Sorry but he has'nt manipulated her at all, they've known each other for a long time now and she knows how he is and in the end he always ends up telling her the thruth and she still follows him even knowing it. Jane also loves Lisbon , he would kill anyone for saving her. We must not forget that when he had to choose either catch Red John or saves Lisbon he always chose her. (Sorry for my bad English).
@@el_gol no problem your English is good,and I am inclined to agree with you, yes she always followed him and yes he did choose always to save her rather then to chase RJ,but English isn't my first language, my point was he knew she has feelings for him and he manipulated her feelings to get what he wanted, he knew she wouldn't report what he did ,and also this whole Lorelei story was to much for me because his actions were questionable when it comes to her,But that is just from my point of view, I respect your opinion
@@Alona2811 I understand your point but i still disagree too. They are not a couple at that time and remember that she also slept with that rich guy they just met in one of their cases and with some other guys. At least he is doing it for a reason, getting lorelei's trust to catch Red John. Obviously i respect your opinion too and i'm just discussing this because i love this serie too much.
@@el_gol hahaah same I discuss it also because I love the show and I love to hear different opinions and point of views because I want to understand show better, and yeah she slept with Walter but do you think she would do that if she saw that Janes feelings were hurt or that he is jealous,he even teasedher for him.He knew Lisbon has feelings for him and he hurt her by putting trust in criminal and not his partner who had his back, and yup he do that to get Lorelei's trust so he could get RJ and Lisbon warned him she was playing him and she did played him and because he broke her out of prison and let her get away she was going around torturing and killing ppl , I totally get Lisbon in this scene, she only asked him to tell her if he heard something from Lorelei and he didn't, she felt betrayed, after all the years helping him being his partner and friend he put his trust in criminal, I am sorry but she got over him leaving them for 6 months ,she got over him offering Lorelei to get her free,she got over him breaking her out of prison but she is cop and she couldn't be ok with her going around and killing ppl and Jane protecting her.We obviously have different opinions and I appreciate looking at it from different points of view, because I am watching Mentalist for second time and first time I watched for me was all about Jane,he couldn't be wrong, he couldn't do anything wrong, I was very focused on his story and his character but now I am paying attention to the other characters because first time I watched I didn't took into consideration their feelings, emotions etc.
"I will do anything that I can to get to Red John..."- That was kinda a Lie. He wouldn't hurt Lisbon in the result of getting R.J. And he's shown that he wouldn't hurt her for R.J.
No, but he'll psychologically manipulate her and abandon her on a vista to ensure she doesn't prevent him from killing Red John.
Geoffrey Sorkin I am not sure that he abandonned her for preventing her to stop him from hurting R.J maybe also because he didn’t wanted her to be hurt. I mean if she for example would have been with him (even if Jane didnt knew about thé bomb he had a gun so it could have gone bad) she would have been hurt maybe Killed by the bomb And I think it would have NEVER forgave himself
or any member of the team. they are like a family
Yes and his worst fear came through when RJ kidnapped Lisbon and painted smiley on her face which jane wiped out from his handkerchief....that's called true love...
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 he left the red face in his room to as far as we knew he stayed in CA. He didn't mind seeing the face himself. He just didn't want her to think RJ had his hands on her or was in imminent danger by him at some point (only reached that pretpert or whoever, but not her). He didn't want her to feel afraid. You do recall his panicked look when he saw her with the explosive vest, don't you?
Even for the fact Jane loves Lisbon, he is protecting her of RJ , he puts a lot of misery on her. In season 6 Lisbon will show him that she can also generate a lot of misery in him. And for his arrogance he deserves it.
It's not like RJ killed his wife and daughter, right? Anyone in his situation would do the same! He don't deserve nothing back because he didn't do it for fun. He had a purpose. A pretty strong one!
@@TheLucasGregoryPike was a distraction of the Lisbon's feelings. Lorelai was for hot.
A distraction on his purpose. A chapter in the game tiger/lamb with RJ.
Lisbon was jealous but right.
He risked a lot for him and the team. He made a lot of missery for him , Lisbon and the team.
Lorelai never had intention to share RJ real name with him. Jane was envolved and manipulated . He wasn't in his owns. He couldn't think clearly with Lorelai.
All the plot line with Lorelai was a shit.
Lorelai was an object shared between Jane and RJ. A gift of RJ to Jane a kind of retribution after what he did to Angela.
He raped and killed Angela and then give Jane his mistress Lorelai and invited Jane to share Lorelai and do as he wanted with her.
Lorelai said Jane: "you can hit me if you want."
That words would been the end of the Jane/Lorelai/ RJ's triangle.
The Lorelai's history will be ended at 4x24 chapter.
The game: i played with Angela now i invite you to play with my mistress Lorelai. The proposal to play: Jane/Angela /RJ and then RJ/Lorelai/Jane was in the air and Jane played that game with RJ. A shit.
That would be the end of team or the end of the show.
I hate the writers for that plot line.
Then Lisbon retribute missery to Jane , destroyed his arrogance and and his assurance about the unconditional love of Lisbon, it caused him to lower his alpha male ego and the protective barriers of his feelings and totally changed the power relations between them.
He can't her left her job or move or do anything on Jane's demand. Lisbon is the Jane's kriptonyte and only a baby perhaps only a baby can do the dirty work of getting her out of her dangerous job.
At 7x11 Jane surely could perceive Lisbon's pregnancy and he counts on that.
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1:40 "see if I am bluffing?" She wasn't, despite her feelings for Jane she would not let a murder walk away. At this point of course Jane already knew Lisbon was in love with him, the same he was and confessed already, but he would never consider that or feed that feelling at all, RJ was alive and so close. He really was trying to be as honest as he could be with her, Jane here is not in his complete cold mode, he let it clear that for him he didn't lie to her, and since she pushed and wanted the truth he admitted to have some feelings for Lorelei, but he did could not say that, he didn't love her at all, he knew who she was from the start, when they slept together he knew all along why she was there, but he sympathized with her, RJ made her, he took all she loved to make her who she was and Jane understood that. But he did was cruel to Lisbon, he could be easier with her feelings but he was worried also, I do think in his way he was pushing her away from him emotionally to protect her.
And...1:20 THAT'S when Jane realized Lisbon had feelings for him and was jealous. That shocked face of realisation
That for sure or he also realized Lisbon is right and he is lying to him self even and he has developed some kind of feelings for Lorelei, but he also could see much earlier that Lisbon has feelings for him, I mean she was very jealous when he kissed Lorelei in the interrogation room ,and when she snapped at him ,he could see that.
This scene has so much compassion and hint of jealousy and robin tunney takes the limelight for this particular scene from Simon Baker...and those who are saying Jane was in love with Lorelai Martins so sorry to burst your bubble he is not in love with lorelai..Jane only loved angela and then lisbon...he only loved these two womens in his whole life yes he has sympathy for lorelai bcs what happened to her sister but nothing more...people often confusing being attracted to someone is same as being in love with someone which is definitely not..jane was attracted to lorelai so did with erica Flynn or lisbon was attracted to mashburn or pike...but jane and lisbon loved each other and absolutely made for each other and they are not some horny teenagers who just grab and kiss each other at every opportunity for that rigsby and vanpelt is enough in the show...they are mature adults though sometimes they behave like a love struck teenagers while blushing and giggling in front of each other...they are same replica of sherlock and john in bbc sherlock...
I so much agree with every word what you said here. And Pike was the same for Lisbon like in BBC Sherlock Mary was for John, a distraction, but in fact John loved always Sherlock and Lisbon loved Jane and of course vice versa, and both, Mary and Pike knew the truth.
@@christinabeyer9298 hehehe thanks for agreeing with me...I absolutely agree with you...as one of my fav author Paulo Coelho quoted One is loved because one is loved. No reason is needed for loving....Jane and lisbon loved each other and they dont need a reason for it just like John and Sherlock in BBC series..offcourse at the end they are happy families in both the series..."Love conquers all"....only thinks matters at the end...
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 Yes, absolutely agree with you. You're so right. Pike said a few times to Lisbon she should rethink well, if she really wanted to go with him to Washington.
@@christinabeyer9298 nahh Lisbon was never wanted to go Washington, Jane is Lisbon platonic boyfriend for years, she has learn few tricks from him, she wanted to Jane to confess his feelings to her and saying "I love you" loud that's why she come up with this idea bcs a career oriented women like Lisbon will never threw his Job away for some men she barely knew for few months...she just wanted Jane to bend his knees and confess I love you and she succeeded in her plan...and pls this my opinion...maybe few will not agree with me...but I had watched this show very closely for years...
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 Yes, I think you're right, Lisbon only suggested Pike she was interested in to go with him to Washington, but actually never wanted it.
She was seemingly very angry about Janes maneuver with the fake letter to an unsolved case to hold her back, so she decided to went to the airport to took the next plane to Washington to bring him to the love confession actually both wanted. And we knew it worked very well.
Not underlining something with an image or factual scene just empowers and gives even more meaning to the feeling this scene involves. Not going to kiss her or anything just made this even more powerful.
Sadly Lisbon was right. Lorelei had no intention of sharing RJ's name with Jane. He was played. But would he admit that? Doubt it.
+monno2 he said "that's the hope", meaning he has his suspicions but it's was worth a shot
He knew Lorelei couldn't kill red John on her own. He was also hoping that she would be smart enough to just tell him.
actualy he got the most important information that he shoke hands with RJ which lead to the list which lead eventualy to killing him so y he knew what he was getting
@@DarkMaxStorm actually she just spitted out in the heat of the moment and anger in front of jane otherwise she dont have any intentions to share Red John name to Jane...my opinion...
@@dr.khushbooagarwal786 y and who provoked her to give these informations it was jane it was always the plan
There’s alot of emotions here. Jane is clouded by his desire to find Red John and feeling some compassion for Lorelai while simultaneously using her. Lisbon’s feelings for Jane are seeping to the surface. I think Jane is trying to read her but perhaps she was able to hide just enough that he wasn’t sure exactly what was happening with Lisbon because Lisbon is able to control her emotions although you can see in her eyes that there is more. At the very, very least, Jane does sorta explain and apologize. Lisbon lays down an ultimatum and they have a stare-down, but Jane is the one who backs down, I think, while Lisbon holds her ground. He never likes it when Lisbon is angry at him. This is such a well-acted scene between the two of them.
It’s true that Jane has always run off to explore whatever hunches develop in his brain. He comes and goes as he eliminates clues. So the fact that this particular time really bothers Lisbon shows that she’s developing feelings for Jane. She probably doesn’t know herself why this is bothering her so much.
There's a lot of negativity towards this storyline, but after watching "Red Sails in the Sunset" (05x08), there are plenty of clues that Jane is not really interested in Lorelei. He specifically asks for a room without a TV. When they first meet, they are watching TV together before they sleep together. Was he trying to avoid doing this again? Just trying to keep it business? When she kisses him before she leaves, he holds her at bay. There is no embrace. At the end of the episode, he says all his efforts were worth it because he did get another clue: that Red John is someone he already knows. This helps him to narrow down the suspects. This episode shows that Jane's desire for vengeance potentially could turn him very dark.
In 05x16 "There Will Be Blood," Jane confronts Lorelai about her brutality, showing that he doesn't approve of her methods. And to be honest, the fact that Lorelai does not allow Patrick to get involved is kinda a nice thing that she did for him. They both seek vengeance for their loved ones. She recognizes that she is going down the dark path and knows there is no way back for her. She wants, and encourages, him to stay on the better path. "You and me are on different roads, I hope." I think her role in his life is to remind him not to go down the wrong path like her, because in 05x08, he was looking pretty creepy at that end there. When Lorelai leaves to find Red John, Patrick doesn’t follow her because he is more interested in learning what Jason Lennon knows. He already knows she is no match for Red John. He tries to stop her but she won’t listen. Instead, she distracts him with a kiss and then shoots Jason Lennon and goes back on their agreement about giving Jane RJ’s real name. Jane is pissed about this. Lisbon was right about Lorelei, after all. (But Jane was right about the phone tapping in 06x01, so I think they're even.)
It’s also significant that when Lisbon asks Jane to stay behind while the team stakes out the board members, Jane follows her orders. He is showing his respect for Lisbon, and perhaps trying to show his appreciation to her after she stuck her neck out for him. When Jane sees that RJ has killed Lorelai, his response is simply “She had it coming.” They shared a connection through their tragedies, but he only goes after her when he thinks she can provide him information. Once she goes back on that promise, he has no more use for her and does not chase her. He does not respond to her loss the same way he responds when he thinks Lisbon is in danger.
@Keleziz76. Ótimo comentário. Entendi algumas duvidas que eu tinha
I think inside Jane's fake breakdown at the end of season four was a concealed real breakdown: an exhausted impatience with his hunt for RJ that led him to take a gamble on embodying the role of an undercover agent.
In a warped way, Jane's genuine empathy for Lorelei (a woman who physically resembled Teresa, and psychologically resembled Jane if he had become a nihilist after his wife's death) accidentally revealed his inability to be as cold and unfeeling as he'd hoped. His warmth became real, but neither real nor fake affection could get him what he wanted from Lorelei, only the same trickery he had all along could. His con job was what won the slip up that led him to RJ, and that gave him the strength to move past the crisis of his battle fatigue. That and Lorelei's self destruction which he no doubt saw as a reflection of a more reckless version of himself.
I will never believe Jane had anything resembling love to Lorelei. Only that empathy you mentioned, nothing more to the mistress of his family's killer. And that empathy wasn't something he cherished or was proud of - its nature is more reflex, involuntary, it's just a sign of his true loving and empathetic heart.
As for Erica - that kiss resembles me a scene from a zoo: a guy tests himself if he is brave and strong enough to touch some scary predator, a coyote or a hyena. He really is curious what it feels like to kiss this thing. So he does it and walks away.
So many viewers fell for Erica's sex appeal - I wonder how they manage to forget that Jane isn't fooled by looks, to him people usually are transparent so he definitely sees how ugly is that manipulative woman. He chooses not to judge, and I admire him for it but he can't help seeing right through Erica's wonderful looks down to her sociopathic core totally void of empathy.
One more thing: I love a nice contrast from the 1st season: how Jane and that weirdo pick-up artist Fricke described the secrets of conquering a woman. Fricke's bullshit way was contempt, control, excitement, while Jane simply named love and affection as keys to any woman's heart.
Ironically he wasn't ready to act openly on his own principles when his relationship with Teresa was threatened, he had to try trickery first.
But still during the first 6 seasons he continued to give Lisbon his love and affection - only secretly or sometimes even subconsciously.
That 'Anything for you, Lisbon', that constant care, all the beautiful things you mention in your comments proving that Teresa was never 'a toy' for him (ridiculous thing to say!!!).
He never missed an opportunity to say or do something really showing his love to her when he had a chance to do it as part of some plot: his 'I love you' in that rehab center (and with a changed voice!), his long and funny 'I've always wanted to tell you but never got a chance' when picking the door of that bomber (best trick to make that guy listen carefully what he was 'trying to say' and not hearing the sounds of the door being opened), all the times he found excuses to touch her, to cheer her up - pure love and affection, 'More Than Words'...
@@elenak9473 Muito lindo sua descrição 👍🏼
Oh l hate erica ,She is such a slut ,and not sooo beautiful …
@@silve8271 Eu odiei todas as mulheres que Jane se aproximou : Kristina Frye, Erica e Lorelei.
@@barbaranicoliche5318 this Date with Kristina was ridiculous,I mean kristina frey…serious? and Not to mention the whole thing with Loreley..so awful
1:53 Lisbon's face here shattered my soul...
OPEN YOUR EYES JANE!!!!
Jane is like an Asimovian robot. He obeys his ownThree Laws:
First Law -. Jane may not injure Lisbon or, through inaction, allow Lisbon being to come to harm. (But he can lie to her, deceit her, hide information etc.)
Second Law - Jane must protect his own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First Law. ( He would gladly sacrifice his life for Lisbon, knowing that she will continue the hunt for Red John (pun intended) )
Third Law - Jane must hunt down Red John, except where hunting down Red John would conflict with the First or Second Laws . (He would never endanger Lisbon in order to continue the hunt, and he himself will try to stay out of the harm's way until the final checkmate).
Granted, compared to the original laws of the robotics the second and third laws are kinda swapped ... but as far as I can tell that's the wiring inside Jane's head. :)
Prove me wrong if you can, with examples from the show. :D
@Bill McKay Ha! will there be a series of Foundation next year?!? Finally! :D
I mean, as movies go, The Bicentennial Man was good, and even I, Robot struck the right chords, but it was high time for a Foundation series. I wonder how will they handle the heavy dialogues, that are a central part of Asimov's works. I hope they won't dumb them down ...
Jane intends to kill Red John, even if he is convicted afterwards. That puts Hunting Down Red John before Preserving Jane’s Own Life.
That proves that the Three Laws Of Jane exactly parallel those of robots. Dying while going after Red John would violate my Rule 2, except in a Reichenbach Falls situation like Holmes and Moriarty, where he dies killing Red John.
Jane is not only a man who suffered a tragedy that he has to avenge, he is a harassed man. Your stalker is willing to destroy every relationship he finds in his way. He knows he needs to get rid of the man who destroyed his life and will continue to do so.
It's like a woman stalked by her ex who knows she can never have another person and family until her stalker is neutralized.
1:20 This is the moment Jane realizes she's in love with him... I mean, come on, he can read her, so he can also the hurt in her eyes talking about Lorelei...
DivineDil I think that of course he see the pain in her eyes but at that time he wouldnt even admit his own feelings towards her so accepting that Lisbon could love him ? I dont think he thought that was possible
1:20...yup..u r right
Jane has long since taken Lisbon's love for granted. In this chapter he is surprised by the intensity of the reproach and anguish that he generates in Lisbon and I think for the first time he feels insecure about the response he will get from her. I think for the first time he feels that this could be the end of his partnership with her.
This will been the end.
Jealous Lisbon is so cute ♥
Gosh, this was basically a loveconfession he just ignored it. we know it was to protect her and ok it still takes three year for them but im feeling so sorry for her. i remeber watching it the day after the episode came out and i nearly died for wanting to kill Jane for not grabbing and kissing her. But to be fai that wasnt an option at that time.
Yeah I was so mad back then when this was airing, actually I didn't like him or how he treated Lisbon during the whole storyline with him and Lorelei, he was pretty much jerk.He knew long before this she has feelings for him, back when he let Erica escape, when he kissed Lorelei in interrogation room while Lisbon was listening she showed him that she is jealous and he choose to ignore her feelings because I guess at that time he was focused on revenge, or he didn't want her to suffer same fate as his wife and child, or maybe he simply wasn't emotionally ready to kiss her at that moment, but that doesn't change the fact that he used her feelings to manipulate her,to put her job in jeopardy, to deceive her, lie to her,to help Lorelei escape prison and he did basically the same when Erica escaped and he defend a cold blooded killer Lorelei when she was torturing ppl, he put Lisbon through hell and I admired her that she stood by him after all he did .
@@Alona2811 He also asked Lorelei what that would prove. Actors kiss on stage as a matter of course in their roles without any deeper meaning. Lisbon often struggles to understand how deep a game Jane is capable of playing..
That said, after he realized Lorelei was also a victim of Red John, Jane's attitude towards her did seem to change to one more of actual affection.
@@nctpti2073 I agree
He has feelings but not that girl...the one standing in front of him. I think their personal relationship really helped them in all these scenes.
Instead of “I don’t know what to tell you Jane” maybe she should have said “well I guess that makes me an obstacle on your quest to Red John. But you’ve known that since the start” #SignMeUp #WriterCareerHereWeGo
I love so much this scene
Eu amo essa cena! Lisbon está perfeita!
Se fosse na realidade eu no lugar de Lisbon iria me afastar dele depois disso
Gosh this scene... 🥺💔 poor Lisbon..
She loves him so much it hurt
Robin Tunney your beyond Oscar ......
In the end Lorelei played him like a fiddle and he didn't even get what he wanted....
she gave him the most important information: that he and RJ shook the hands of each other.
@@maxnaturamour7200 She had already done that, and she let it slip without noticing, so it wasn't a reason to trust her
Jane is sexually atracted for Lorelai and in certain point he understand her. Jane is confussed and hot.He's envolved with Lorelei and that's a perverse shit because he share the mistress with the killer of his wife and daugther.
Jane risked a lot to obtein little. Lorelei never share the RJ name. She played him. She put him on, like a toaster.
@@maxnaturamour7200 naa .Jane risked a lot to obtein a little. Lorelei played him.She never had the intention to share RJ's information with Jane and Jane share with her really important and exclusive photo of Miranda death where she puts the name of her killer Roy= RJ. Jane anyway without the data of having shook RJ's hands would have found out anyway.
He was played and he will never admitted that.
I love those two
Eu amo essa cena!
Desearía que los subtitularan todos!
Jane "i would do anything to get to red John....I would propose to her right now and make kids with her and make her the happiest women with the biggest diamond just to get to Red John" Lisbon "are you sure you want Red John? it sounds like you want her then Red right now"
🤣🤣🤣hahaha I believe he would do that
This is hilarious.
J E A L O U S
This is more than jealousy, it is about the work between colleagues and the mutual trust betrayed by Jane and his arrogance and blindness that prevent him from realizing that Lisbon is right and that Lorelei is using him by taking him on the leash like a pet
Sex sells. They could have shown Jane faking his collapse by going from bed to bed and showing Lisbon jealous. But showing Lorelei as a shared thing between Jane and his wife and daughter's serial killer as a stepping stone to RJ showed a degree of Jane's moral damage and a series of legally punishable acts, serious crimes, with the police being misled. hard to believe.
Not even Simon's excellent performances and Robin can't save season 5.
The disastrous plot line of evil history
and incredible of Lorelei introduced in the series outside the line of the show. Too much intensity, perversion and insanity and when they turned back the demure and mature love of Jane and Lisbon was left without pepper and sex.
The Lorelei mermaid wrecked the show.
Lisbon was the "good character" , Jane was a " semi" mentalist, but a " full" jerk ! From my point of view !
Simon my love ❤❤❤
I hate this sick crap with Loreley
jealousy=Lisbon
i am a firm believer had Red John met Jane before killing his wife and daughter he would have chosen differently.
it was only after meeting Jane and seeing the type of man he was that he grew to regret that decision.
@@nomadhakunamatata5793 how do you conclude that?
Well is it just me or is it inconvenient and disappointing to confess having feelings for another woman while he already happened to like Lisbon - I mean it is already the 5th season and his love for Lisbon did not happen out of the blue! How could an individual's heart act on multiple directions...!!! If I was drawn to a certain person I would want to make sure that our virtually evolving connection remains protected and clean of any incidents that might hurt or jeopardize a possible union...!
Well I was thinking the same,I thing he developed feelings for her through years but either he wasn't ready to admit to himself he has feelings for her ,of he didn't think he deserves someone like her and that is why he was drawn to women like Erica and Lorelei or he didn't want anything deeper with her because she would become most likely next target for RJ,and like you said for me was really disappointing that he confessed his feelings for Lorelei to Lisbon especially because he could see Lisbon had feelings for him and he didn't just hurt her feelings by that,she was hurt because he betrayed their partnership and friendship ,at least that is my opinion
@@Alona2811 to be honest, the writers always tend to tease the audience by inducing such "threatingly attractive " characters into the show (Erica, Lorelei, etc...) where the leading man tends to show interest (clear tension and chemistry involved ) in other females and make them appear as potential rivals challenging the liability of an authentically romantic connection between our favored main characters (Teresa & Patrick)... The writers enjoy teasing us and keep us guessing (will they or won't they get together) for like ten years... (this happens in all shows: X-Files, Jag, NCIS...). Normally and in real life it is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain a partnership under the name of friendship when there are romantic feelings involved (even if only one sided), let alone keeping it cool and professional when either or both of them seek to pursue a romantic relationship with a third person. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE, and yet we keep making assumptions and justifications (he won't let her close so that she doesn't become a target... ) trying to find excuses for them as to why/how do they avoid making tangible relationship-decisions until only after the final episode of the final season of decade long show. It's hilarious and we (the audience) seem happy to buy it.
@@smyt-nt150 nicely said, logical and reasonable and I couldn't agree more.
He confessed to having feelings... Not what kind they were. He didn't love Lorelei or even particularly care for her. I think he saw her as someone similar to him due to her drive for revenge and because RJ murdered the person she loved most too. He identified with her bloodthirst and her ease of manipulation: not her as a person. Entirely different to his love and care for Lisbon.
Lisbon is jealous.
She has pictures of the real
Brian Ellinger with her
Lorelei is the name of any woman that any man will love forever...
Lorelei is the name of mithological mermaid. Lorelei played men and push them to the death.
@@townscapelandscape5159 *mythological
@@smurfyday 🤣🤣🤣yes teacher
@@townscapelandscape5159 You're welcome, student.
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I’m the son of red John
Who's your mom, I wanna know
bull, I will get anything to get to RJ, he is in love with Lorelei,!
No, he isn't. Having some feelings for her doesn't mean he's in love, he's only attracted/attached to her cause he slept with her and probably relates to her for what happened to her sister but in 5x08 he didn't even want to kiss her
Jane only loved angela and then lisbon...he only loved these two womens in his whole life yes he has sympathy for lorelai bcs what happened to her sister but nothing more...people often confusing being attracted to someone is same as being in love with someone which is definitely not..jane was attracted to lorelai so did with erica Flynn or lisbon was attracted to mashburn or pike...but jane and lisbon loved each other and absolutely made for each other and they are not some horny teenagers for that rigsby and vanpelt is enough in the show...they are mature adults though sometimes they behave like a love struck teenagers while blushing and giggling in front of each other...
No he's hot.He can understand the Lorelai's drama but he' s almost sexually atracted for her and very very hot.Without sexual atraction Jane had stopped that a long time a go.
It took me a while to realize that it is strangely to Jane's credit that he cared for Lorelei at all. I found it noxious initially, but in retrospect it reveals who he really is: a powerfully manipulative man who can't outrun his flesh and blood heart. He couldn't help feel compassion when he got close enough to manipulate her, but he still let her loose knowing she could run right back to Red John. Even Agent Darcy got more protectiveness from him than that. He cared for her, but to say he was in love with her when he wound her up and shot her straight at Red John is just not accurate. It was shamefully shortsighted of him not to realize she'd try to kill RJ herself, and that's because his desire to kill RJ outweighed his concern for her.
Between Lisbon's safety and Red John, he always chose Lisbon's safety. His compassion for Lorelei couldn't reach that far.
I liked the relationship between Lorelei and Patrick. It was mysterious, unpredictable, and romantic. Lisbon and Jane was predictable. Especially since Lisbon is so transparent you know she's in love with him. It wasn't a surprise at all they married at the end. Lorelei and Patrick storyline was WAY more interesting. They may have used each other but the chemistry between them was electric! Lisbon and Jane SO BORING!!
Sattnin77 wth? Nope. I couldn't disagree more
Oh god, no. Jisbon is amazing.
No, i totally disagree with your opinion.
Just adding my "no" to the dogpile here.
U alright??