How Much Has My E36 M3 Financially Ruined Me?
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Alex has encountered all sorts of problems with his E36 M3 Lemon, but how much has he spent on it overall?
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I'm actually surprised that the servicing parts only cost you 600 pounds with the VAT. For a 15 year old high performance german car that's actually bloody cheap
True
Dealership minor servie for a 718s is just over 600...
I think it's because they're installing everything themselves.
+£100 for leather cleaning after spitting out coffee
wtf? I wouldn't call 3.3k USD financially ruined...
3.3k is pretty normal for a car xD I wouldn't say it'd ruin you but i mean it's pretty much normal
Also depends how much money you have though, totally subjective.
sam campbell-hingston well Alex did just buy a house with his girlfriend and has his Miata... in sure he's not "ruined" in any sense of the word
SacredSlaya Id also agree, id assume he's out of a bit of cash, but no where near "Ruined"
Consider that this was only for "maintenance" to have a nice OEM car ;)
It's hard to believe how some people think they can buy an almost 20-years old high performance car without doing some basic maintenance steps like changing the engine oil, tramsmission oil, differential oil, brake pads and even run it on track/drift days without doing some ABSOLUTELY essential things like changing your thermostat and waterpump. Old performance cars are fun to drive (IMO more than most modern ones), but all these years don't pass in vain, they need some servicing. A 20 years old miata would need the same things + timing belt change and it would never be a M3.
This 20 year old bimmer would probably need timing chain change at this age. Nice rhymes bro
I have an acura RSX typs S, it cost me 4500$ CAD, no rust. I had change 1 gasket and the oil. But the BMW cost fucking 5 times mine 😐. I think he loves is car to much 😅
Yes, it's what I tell my friends when they ask me why I bought a 1991 maxima and poured more money than it cost me to buy it in repairs. People don't take care of shit when it comes to cars here in Mexico. They think that if it still runs it's fine and only do maintenance and repairs (or sell the poor thing) once the car strands them. I searched hard to find this maxima and made shure that the engine seals were good and the transmission wasn't slipping or completely trashed like other cars that I took on a test drive before buying my maxima. They probably sold me the car because the rack and pinion leaked all the oil out and was really hard to drive, the battery had a bad cell so it wouldn't start and because the tires were worn down to the internal mesh wires.
Cost is justifiable if you love the car
So worth it
Coffee cleanup +$15.99
Griffin Mackenzie 😂😂😂
But you will be laughing in 5 years time when the value of your car doubles
hella-flush truuueeeeee
I remember people saying that about E30's.
Jacques Ouille so true
they're already going up in value stupid
sam haskins I know they are already going up I said in 5 years it will be double... please read carefully before showing aggression :)
You really should have bought an E46 though
Not that it would be that much better. I have a mere E46 Compact 316ti and also I am dealing with the same type of small stuff that adds up, but luckily I don't have elephants bugging me yet.
I did pay at least 150 euro per month on OEM parts since I got the car though, and I have it for 6 months now. So that's at least 900 euro invested already, but I also had to replace the front suspension arms and bushings, buy an extra set of rims for winter tyres, et cetera, that raised the costs above the monthly 150 euro easily.
All in all I would say that I am not that far off of Alex's figures either, although that elephant is giving him quite the lead I must say. I still need to replace the front windshield, cowl, rubbers all-around the car, left rear-window since the surround is rusting and wants to affect the B-pillar. I still need to do the air filter, fuel filter, oil filter, change oils, change spark plugs, replace old Bemi coils with Bosch ones. Plus more little things that just add up.
All in all... when you're a car lover and car for the car than it'll just cost you when you first buy any car. Normal drivers just get the regular MOT and maybe an extended service plan (or whatever its called in England) and that's it. They just don't notice the things that might have lower performance or ar simply damaged. I call it the "as long as it still drivers, it's fine" mentality.
So yeah, car lovers will have it hard but in the end it'll be worth it because our cars will stand the test of time in the long run, and in the mean time the cars of the normal non-caring folk will be long scrapped.
who the fuck buys 316ti?? buy at least 318i facelift ...
Re4pZz Because maybe when the engine gives I would do an M3 swap on it? :p
Also why the fuck would you want a sedan/saloon? The bloody thing isn't practical, there is more weight behind the rear axle which has some influence through physics upon the cars handling. Than there is the fact that the compact has a better steering ratio by default.
Mine already has the M suspension from factory, it's in a rare color with matching half letter sport seats, it has everything except full auto HVAC and DSC. It hardly had done any kilometers in its life... 130.000 in 15 years. It just was sadly neglected by the previous owners in terms of maintenance. Also it seems as if kids broke a few interiour pieces as well, and some had gone missing. There was no documentation anymore, nor the standard toolbag in the trunk.
Some guys drifted it and broke a few things, like the rather expensive (new) spare tyre box under the car.
Yet it all isn't stuff that would mean the car is scrap material, and it's a good base for interesting things. :)
The real reason why I bought a 316ti is the fact that I am completely unfit for work due to health reasons, and thus money is a bit tight. So it's mileage above speed in this case.
Plus I had cars that were lighter in the past and since our vehicle road tax is based upon a weight class system I did not know how much the increased fixed charges would influence me each month on the long run.
Oh, and I like the round lights btw. Unlike many of you. I liked them on the E30 generation. I liked them on Mk1 and Mk2 VW Golfs and Polos. It's just something odd that I am into I guess, while others might be more into popup headlights. :)
They still cost a fortune. I've spent around £250 in service parts on mine within 4k of buying it and £370 on repairs. That does not include £1k on a front end respray/dealing with rust on the wings.
Mind you it is pretty good now (famous last words!).
The E46 M3 has more catastrophic engine issues (Rod Bearings/Vanos Hub Tabs), needs more expensive oil (Castrol TWS), and tears subframe mounts unlike the late model E36 M3s.
Good luck with an E46.
We have a joke in Poland. BMW = Będziesz Miał Wydatki - which translates to: "You'll Have Expenses".
We have a common similar joke in the Netherlands. BMW = Blijf Maar Werken, which translates to 'Keep on working'
Bring My Wallet
If that includes labor, it's cheap...
This is him doing it himself
If that was with labor at a shop then you're looking at tens of thousands of dollarz....
apart from the rust
rust fixing fee must be labor.
That's why the rust was so expensive
At least you haven't had to change your indicator bulbs because they never get used in BMWs.
AstroFantastica i've had to replace just about all of my indicator bulbs on my e36 lol
Or indicator fluid
The rust obviously was huge, but 80% of the other stuff sounds like standard maintenance stuff to me. I would have no problem spending that if I had an M3.
Eh, that's not so bad!
#E60M5Life
Richard Ross Ay! you're on carthrotle.
Indeed I am!
you're not fooling anyone with these fake replies and likes mate, you have 17 subscribers
#e39m5life
I'm not entirely sure what you're implying? That I have time to sit around fake liking posts or something? It was a very early comment, got some upvotes and found its way towards the top comments. It's almost like a lot of people like the E60 M5 or something.
Something about seeing Alex in so much pain just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
The moral of the story is check rust before buying a e36 m3.
2600 Euros to fix a 10+ yrs car is not that bad.
pounds, not euros, and it is if you consider the value of the car, he spent 3351 pounds fixing a car he payed less than 7000 pounds for and still has problems to fix
It is a old car, and he paid cheap for it.
A good spec e36 go for around 10k
Victor Arêas that's in £ it's around 3050 euros
Some people I know are happy to live with minor faults on a car, others won't. Rust for instance is a pet hate.
10k pound for an E36 M3? gimme gimme lol, in my country they are priced waaaaay more expensive than that.
Because the steering wheel it is on the wrong side. UK model worth only half price compare for the same type EU car.
You simpleton! The 2nd hand car market is fuelled by the new car market. Nothing to do with where the steering wheel is. If you don't understand this, I suggest you read more - comics don't count.
negrusz I live in a right-hand drive country, so British registered cars are the way to go (y) even high ranking officials in my country illegaly imported their old Porsche 911, Bmw cabrios, and other EU cars from the UK.
Of course it is. Kidding me? Think out of the box or out of the UK. In Europe(Germany, Poland, Hungary, etc.) if somebody want to sell a right hand drive car the price is 40-50% less then the left hand drive version. Nobody pay the same price for a car with a wheel witch is on the wrong side.
That stands true for Bulgaria aswell. Right hand drive vehicles are 50% cheaper - nobody wants to drive on the right here. Acolyeo4 doesn't know what he's talking about.
saddam hussein burnt less oil than that Bmw
It's really not that bad, Alex. I wouldn't complain. First of all, you have a classic car. You realize there's a price to pay for that. Second, most of the stuff you bought is preventive maintenance on any car, especially an M3, regardless of generation. In fact, I'd change the entire cooling system to be safe. Then what with those prices? I paid more for a thermostat and viscous for a 520i E34 and I didn't buy dealer stuff either. True, I bought the best German made parts I could find, usually from original suppliers of OEM parts, but still... that's not much at all.
I know the M3 is not a supercar, but still. A Gallardo clutch is what? 3000 pounds every 20.000 miles or 3 launch controls? 600 pounds on maintenance is really nothing.
Where you did get the short end of the stick is at the rust repair and whoever charged you 2000 pounds for that is either scamming you or he did more work than I can imagine because I was quoted 1000 pounds in East Europe at a professional classic car restorer, for a full body rust restoration + paint job on my E34 and that includes material. My car is not as rusted as yours, but still...
So those 2000 pounds are the only thing that stick out. Next time take your car to a classic car expert and restoration service in Central or Eastern Europe for a much better price.
Also, if you bought an M3 and you're not getting into DYI, that's a big mistake as it can financially ruin you. If you do the work yourself, with good parts, it's pretty much a one time full service and then you can enjoy many years of trouble free motoring, almost as good as with any performance Honda.
The E46 M3 - well nearly all of them (I know two guys driving a E46 M3 that had this problem) have massive problems with the rear axle that simply tears out of the subframe. And this repair alone will cost around 6.000 Euros when done at BMW. Not to mention all the other "issues" a E46 can have - definitely cheaper to go for a E36 M3 in the long run.
That doesn't seem so bad! "Classic" car ownership usually saves you from the stealthiest but most expensive motoring cost of all: DEPRECIATION. If anything I bet the E36 M3 is increasing in value these days, not that you can readily spend this money of course.
Very good point. It'll never lose value.
yeah because it's already in the bottom of its depreciation.
@diazzsama Nope, the e36 M3 has been at the bottom a few years ago. You could get one for 4-5k Euros. Now, a good one, starts at 10.
Mzn T yeah, but that thing starts at 20k euros at my place (not even the good one).
diazzsama
Then why did you say "it's already in the bottom of its depreciation"? At 20k it's way past its lowest point or it never dropped below that in your area?
If you want to become a millionaire buy a E36 M3!!
(you have to be a billionaire first)
DutchMastermind Brilliant.
lol nice one
DutchMastermind hahhahaaaaa so true😂😂😂😂
DutchMastermind any German car for that matter :P
DutchMastermind A
Yo Alex how much has it ruined you emotionally ?
Mike Arredondo not much he's already dead inside😁
Kai -291 so it's fine then lol
I had a 1999 523i which had no problem until 200,000 km. Then the sum of radiator, ignition coils, oil leaks (which we eventually gave up trying to fix, they would seem to spring out of everywhere), fuel pump, drive shaft all ended up at 5-6k AUD + (not including servicing in that time); in the end a bus wrote it off by running into it and triggering the airbag failure warning sign. The insurance company decided it was cheaper to write it off than repair the door damage and replace 10 air bags.
You are very lucky.
My E36 without the supercharger roughly cost $10,000 Canadian in maintenance. For the amount of time I owned it and what I sold it for, this was one of the most expensive cars I have ever owned. I have had an E92 M3, E46 M3, and E39 M5 and a few other BMWs. The E39 M5 was the least expensive to own. E36 M3 the most.
kms / item..
140k - Inspection II
------ - Clutch (OEM)
------ - All belts/pulleys
141k - Central locking system and brake circuit fixes
------ - Power steering hoses and reservoir
------ - Complete brake job with rotors, stainless lines and caliper rebuilds
------ - Complete suspension swap with mounts, fcab, rtab, spring pads
143k - VANOS rings and spacer plus all VANOS parts, lines, gaskets
------ - ABS hydro pump
------ - Brake booster travel sensor
------ - Various relays
144k - Supercharger install
------ - Spark plugs
------ - New front O2 sensors
------ - Fuel filter
145k - Motor mounts
------ - Tranny mounts
------ - Wheel bearings
146k - Elring head gasket and all supporting gaskets
------ - ICV, temp sensor, camshaft position sensor, lines
------ - M50 manifold and Turner adapter installed
------ - CCV delete (VMS catch can with filter)
------ - Fan clutch
------ - Cooling system (new radiator, Stewart HP WP, tsat/housing, expansion tank, hoses)
Buy and E46 instead.......... because E46s don't need parts or servicing and are immune to rust....? Err NO!
Buy an E46 because it is the better drive of the two. But don't expect it to be any cheaper to run!
true that
But make sure to buy a late one, the early E46 sedans and coupes had problems with the rear axle's attachment which can cause costly damage.
Max S. your funny, all m3s have the problem , normally 2000$ to prevent if you replace all the bushings and reinforce the frame yourself, if you don't however it could total your e46, the structural fix bmw did was not enough
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That problem has been known since the E36s first came out in the early 90s! E36 and 46 share the same basic chassis design and the problem was not fully solved with E46, (but the M3 has a reinforced subframe mounting points which helps combat the issue). Likewise the rusting wheel arches and the VANOS oil ring issues. The two cars have a lot more in common than most people realise. Problems included.
True dat, i have spend more than 2500 € in parts for my 328i e46 and i have only done 7000 Km with since i have it ( 1 year ) i spend all my week-end time to fix it ... But when it work it's so good to drive.
Can you fit a skoda fabia inside the boot?
We will discuss this idea on Monday.
+Car Throttle the Alex consumes more oil than me
good idea
Repairing the e36 m3 can be cheap if you know how to. There is no major service in that list apart from that of the rusty thing... oil, filter etc are all consumables. Rocker cover gasket... thats like half an hour for anyone. Even rear bearing and that stuff is easy. For the manoey you are spending on getting it serviced you can purchase some ramps, some jack to lift up the car, some tools, and do it on your own. Probably it shares bearings with other e36 models wich would end up being extremely cheap.
If you had an e46 I think you would end up having the exact same issues because there is nothing unsusual there...
@mykal hilkert lol don't forget who actually invented most of the things you use and own, want to have a guess?
Yep that's right the British, so please don't slag us off when you don't know your facts.
spending money on car parts = money well spent
if you still live at home with mommy and daddy and haven't entered adult life yet
@@RUclipsSupportTeams nope doenst matter if u live alone or with your folks
Every car breaks down and need to be replaced otherwise how u gonna get to work earn cash to pay rent
Congrats for your cool channel! Today I won a 99 M3 I was been watching for a few weeks at an online Auction in Minneapolis MN USA for 3k US dollars delivered to my doorstep. Only difference is mine is black and with 200k miles on it. I am not really too worry about the mechanical conditions or looks of it but will definitely look for rust. Since I couldn't really be sure from online. When I said I do not worry is because I know this cars, and their engines have such good quality back then, that I know with care and proper maintenance(including the possibility of changing the block), will run forever. I been buying cars for a few years now to build my own private collection and my suggestion to you and to your viewers are to do some research before buying parts. I look from Ebay to Amazon, and local European Car distributors to the most underground Junkyards. I do this in Miami, FL where I reside and I've found unimaginable deals even for newer versions of M3's. Last thing is to find a good mechanic preferably a mature one with a good heart and conscious :P Some parts I even get at BMW dealers and I definitely go to them for diagnostic, its worth the $139 trust me. These are my tips and i wish I can show you my before and after. Your M3 looks great and I'm sure runs great! Take care of it. Best of Luck!
The amount oil its uses you sure its not a 2 stroke.
ONLYJOKING101 it's just a bmw that's normal. at least the dealer's tell you that(;
Anything up to 1l/1000km can be normal on a 4 stroke.
No, its not normal. My M52TU --> 200-300ml /10 000km. Maybe S50 take more oil but not 1l/1000km :|
1liter on 1000km? Is that with a headgasket? xD
it aint a bimmer if it aint a leaker
I spun out today and absolutely demolished my front bumper, this is how I feel now lol
Wouldn't happen to be in the storm that hit Brisbane, QLD?
ElectricRides I feel you dude, cheers up ! been there not so long ago
its kinda sad to see this guy brag about being broke when hes backed by a company with millions of dollars
quarawlis stafford L
the company has millions, not him, and not bragging how broke he is, just saying that a e36 m3 has problems and it's expensive to maintain
Do you have any understanding of anything in the world?
degen
juan carlos Palomino he's far from broke. He just spent a large chunk of money in a short space of time.
"There is nothing more expensive than a cheap German car" Everyone who ever bought a cheap German car.
No, there's nothing more expensive than a neglected car.
inkydoug there is nothing more expensive than a car in singapore
inkydoug Well, except he paid 2-3000 pounds too much for it in the first place.....
Henrik Paulsen he bought it for ten grand, if you can find an M3 for 7 grand then let me know
MathanSaralonde to get a car in Singapore besides the 100 percent tax and hefty registration fees you have to be selected on a lottery kind of system
Well mate, I absolutly understand your feelings. I dont own an M3, its only a 1999, e36 325TDS touring (manual). So far I spent money on:
- Engine oil, at the time of changing it and topping it up all the time
- Needed new whishbones, all around shock absorbers and rear top mounts. So I swapped to coilovers.
- New cat back exhaust 'cos it was more rust than steel.
- New Steering rack 'cos it was leaking fluid, and new power steering pump, cos some of previous owner let it run dry for too long, of course its only started to be noisy and nackerd since I own it.
- Bushes....well... a lot of them.
- Wheel bearings and hubs on the rear.
- And the rest is just my stuff I have done to improve it, like: EGR delete and manual boost conroller, and ECU remap. Still will need a bigger inter cooler.
- OH! And I nearly forgot. rust Rust RUST!! Rear wheel arch / fender.
I love the e36 'cos the look and because of it was a great car of my young years, and with my friends in Hungary we allways look at it like "The coolest car of 90's"
I have done most of the fixing myself and it helped me to get over some hard days. I love to drive it, but I know I will have to spend more and more money on it to keep it in a good condition. Hopefully people are right and it will be a real classic after like 7-8 years time.
Car Throttle is awsome!! You guys gave me a lot of motivation.Thanks a lot.
Don't be sad, in Germany you would have payed double the price ;)
ActionHeinz but you all have really good jobs and are rich compared to us brits
for sure not ;)
Mr Ebola No problem, you Brexited, so you will be richer and have better jobs soon :p
So why dont you just move to germany when its so easy here. Youre in the EU, its no problem for a brit to move here.
in Latvia 1/4 of that money for very good rust repair, 500euros more and could get new paintjob too
Bar the rust, i would actually say its cheap for the age of the car. When ever i buy a car that is 10 years+ i always factor in about £600 for the first year, that could be timing belt and consumable parts, do you really expect mechanical components to last for than 10 years? particularly suspension. So if you didn't buy a rust bucket, i would say thats reasonable.
Everything but the rust seems fine for a car of that age and type.
There was a BMW advertisement before this video.
Nope, why you dont use adblocker?
+Arek R. It supports the channel if I don't.
those ads dont do anything the only ads the support the channel are the ones during the video
@@forsale4911 I call bullshit on that
With new cars you pay depreciation. With old cars, you pay maintenance. It is getting the balance. It will vary from car make to car make and person to person. Some folk are so good with cars, that they are able to take bigger risks.
Where's the project mx5? And the wrapped new mx5?
dead
Nick Dodge the wrapped new mx5 I presume your on about the 2015 one , that was a loner from Mazda and Phil blew up so Alex is planning on putting in a Mazda sourced v6
+Eoghan Murphy PHIL BLEW UP????
Andrew Eilers Engine gave way
so since we now know it went boom...does that mean the miata has financially ruined him even more than the bmw?
i mean thats bad cost wise, but i thought it was going to me much more costly
this pretty much sums up every bmw owner
These numbers really aren't bad! Especially considering an E36 M3 (LHD) in The Netherlands now goes for about €25K.
Everytime I'm besotted by cheap E36 M3 I re-watch this clip and I'm cured.
WHO Care's the e36 still looks cool. Just buy a e36 that dose not need 2k of rust repairs.
"dont buy a rusty car, just buy one that isn't rusty.
not really helping there are you
Stop whinning !
- Those costs are pretty much OK for ANY 20 years old car. And they are quite low for a performance car.
- As a car guy, you should be ashamed of paying too much for a rusted 20 years old car. Even non car people would look out for that...
And on that bombshell it's time to end!
KiwiPowerNZ thank you so much for watching! good night!
KiwiPowerNZ duuh du du duh duuuhhh duhhh du du duuhh duhh dunununuhh
+PR0XiMAPR0Dz I literally sang that 😂😂😂
Back to the studio!
thats my line
Trust me, it could be a lot worse. Over the last 7 years, I've put in over $15k into my 99' V6 Electric Green Mustang! That includes the $5,100 for my engine rebuild, (.030 over bore and shaved heads with all new internals and intake port with no polish), and an accident that cost me $2900. Seriously, it could be a lot worse.
thats actually pretty cheap in comparison to ontario, canada
Or Finland or Sweden or Estonia... Those couldn't have been OEM parts?
Yeah, in California could be double of that
In Germany it could be 10 Times of that.
Ain't that the truth for Ontario. A clapped out M3 would be 15-20 thousand pounds, plus service/repairs. 10G Canadian buys you something used that's not road worthy. Don't get me started on spare part pricing, or rusting on vehicles 2 years old.
What do you expect? It's a nearly 20 yr old car and also German cars are more expensive to maintenance than let's say English or Japanese cars, if you don't live in Germany. I for example drive an E36 as well, not an M3 though and the maintenance is actually cheaper than most of the cars my buddies drive, but that's because I live in Germany and there are MANY people who know how to fix this car. Also you don't have to buy new parts all the time, which again reduces the cost by a lot.
I'm not hating or anything. I'm a huge fan and driving an M3 is the dream of many petrolheads. Sometimes the costs do hurt a bit, but driving this thing is so much worth it :)
What? Of course its an E36. It's called BMW E36 and then the different engine types (316i, 318i, 320i, 323i, 325i, 328i and M3 just to name a few)
its still a E36 tho.. think you mean its not an M3
I got a 1997 Corolla, reliable as a rock, spent like £200 on it for minor repairs and maintainence. Japanese cars of the 90s are extremely well made..
"Japanese cars of the 90s are extremely well made.. " Have fun with STI, SUPRA, EVO OR GTR... See if you can survive without 500 maintaince or rust repairs
YOTLP True. Any old car will require maintenance.
Price in £, in $, but nothing for your closest neighbours, in € ? I know UK and UE is complicated, but c'mon, give the price in € too, even if going for $ to € isn't hard
You could always do a conversion online yourself?
he could also find the prices of all those things he changed yet he listed them in the video. go figure
Pounds is now the same as the Euro, thanks to every Brexit voter.
Flame Beats Nope, a LOT from EU (France, Germany...)
€ is very close to $... so not needed
Automobile knowledge and turning your own wrench is a must. I could've spend way less then that. And I have an E36 2.5. A person can own a BMW for way less, depending on what they can do. Never pay someone for your lack of knowledge. Pick up a book and read.
Eventually when you gain enough knowledge, you end up with a lack of time, because your time becomes more valuable than a mechanic’s time.
I had an e36 M3 from 148k to 178k miles (ish). Only mechanical parts I had to replace: oil cooler ($500) and control arm (cheap) and brake switch (cheap). Some people not as lucky apparently!
75 80 oil is for your diff. Gearbox oil is much thinner
I you had to pay labor costs that number would be trippled
Easily yes. Imagine all the motorcycles you can buy instead of maintaining an M3 hehe.
Mojo Right? Currently I have a $450 Yamaha XS850, a $200 Suzuki 250 Twin 2 stroke, and a $100 Yamaha Virago 1100 ;)
Had a laugh at the beginning of the video, you make that E36 look like it's been inflated to SUV size... then I remembered that you are a pint sized chap :)
I've spent a similar amount on my Honda Prelude during the last year, so that doesn't seem too bad.
Bought an e60 m5 in november 2015. During my one year of ownership I've spent the equivalent of £6000 on repairs and maintainance, including everything from rod bearings and vanos lines to tensioner pullies and tires. :)
this is a great example why in the Netherlands we call BMW 'Blijf Maar Werken' which logically translate's to: 'always keep working' (to keep paying for repairs of course ;))
my e46....i should of just gotten sponsored by Castrol...i would buy about $121 dollars worth of oil a year...and repairs....lets just say i couldnt pass emissions and had to sell it....put in about 8 to 10k in repairs...i sold it because. .
*drum roll*
it needed
new springs and shocks
a spark plugs
camshaft sensor
catalytic converter
PCV valve
tie rods inner
new xenon bulbs because ours began getting dim
new sway bars
valve cover gaskets
radiator piping
o2 sensor
oil sensor
abs module
and i think that's it...
Eddie Gutierrez gotta love those german engineerd pieces of rust
South4153 mine only had a tiny rust spot. Also it needed tires because awd...gotta love spending 800 dollars on tires
i had a 330xi e46 also... i feel ur pain
show me a yank tank that can rev @ 8k all day all week and just needs topping up with oil....,oh you cant?
stop whinging then cartland!
My friend, that's the kind of bucket of piss that I always seem to end up buying - at that stage. :(
LOL yeah go buy an e46 m3 and see how cheap it will be on repair costs and maintenance....they are both old cars and both need engine rebuild to be safe..the first gen e46 m3 were faulty from factory on the rod bearings, I wont start about the smg... even the e92 is getting old and people are reporting rod bearing issues
the rust on e36 is the only real issue which can be prevented with a good check before buying
all in all you can check the channel of plenty euro e36 m3 owners (ErikT595, hythekiller, KOVROL and others) who prove that e36 is a dominant, good looking and reliable beast!
But V8s in E92 M3s all have inherent design fault with rod bearings. It's not about oldness - even when new there had been reports of it failing after under 10k miles.
donkgated I didnt knw that 2be honest...truth is that both the 36 and e46 will need bearings too but well after 200.000 km on the motor also regarding the driving circumstances
AlexOffTheDome
Might be of interest to you if you can find it - someone went into full technical detail in a BMW forum about there not being enough clearance in the design.
if you get financially rekt by 4k then you shouldn't really own a car
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matthew sommers
Try 8k in a 600$ car, and still going.
Far from ruined though, I got a fat job.
matthew sommers actually 4k can rekt you if you have other responsibilities. At the end of the day a car is for transportation regardless what kind of car is it.
matthew sommers that's no reason not to own a car... Just own a cheap one
So you guys hate on the USDM e36 M3 a lot. Welp, here's the plus side of the USDM car: Reliability. Because we got a normal 325 engine on steroids instead of basically a prototype S54, our M3s keep ticking. My car just hit 170K and is driven in Minnesota winters. Hasn't skipped a beat. Maintained on a college/ teenage budget.
4:23 The ULTIMATE Pain Machines these are!!! Dammit $3000 USD
$12,000 for a car and all the repairs seems pretty cheap.
5:12 NO!!! The moral of THIS story is....Drum-roll......
Get a damn PPI BEFORE Buying!!
I have an e46 320cd and mine is starting to show its age now and things are starting to go wrong... rust issues are inevitable on older beamers no matter how well you look after them... always around the wheel arches. I love my beamer but they are an expensive past time when things start going wrong :(
Well, I have an E36 328i Coupé. I´ve bought it a little over 3 years ago for under 1.600€ and investigated approx 4.000€ for repairs only... But I still love this Car. :)
The E46 M3 will be more expensive to maintain and repair.
thats adorable, i spent over $1100 the other day on spark plus, coils, oxygen sensors, and washer pump, plus labor
Inel V the labor
The fuck do you own?
I bought an Alfa and the first service (mostly preventive) is going to cost around 2000€. Fun part: i bought the car for half that....
I owned an Alfa once. Only once though...
Zero Ninety Which one?
You havent lived if you havent owned a Alfa once :P
CarelessGamer15 75 Veloce. Never worked properly but it was a lot of fun.
A Random Person It's like Clarkson says; you're not a petrol head unless you've owned at least one Alfa.
Alex, as fun as e36's are to drive when they are working properly, breaking is what they do best. They were the first BMW produced with recycling in mind and were a predecessor to forced obsolescence in cars. My wife had a '98 328iS and it was a great car up until about 140k miles and everything in the interior and on the body started falling apart. For comparison, my '88 528e had over 234k miles on it and I ragged the hell out of it never really had any issues.
Oh and the 528e is still running and being enjoyed by the man I sold it to whereas the e36 got traded into a dealer for a measly $500 and probably went to a junk yard. So sad.
last year i bought 1993 lagoona green 318i with automatic gearbox and worst e36's engine : M40 and it was knocking little bit... I bought it because it have low km (189 000) ,very original condition AND super low price (600 euros). It had only 2 small problems 1) medium hole in muffler 2) 2 very very small rust holes in skirts. i fixed this problems after week and paid 140 euros.after 3 days i changed oil form unknown dark mud to mobil 5w-40 and than engine started to knock like a $hit (normal m40 problem, tappets worn out too fast because 5w40 is too good for m40). After about 2 months my thermostat broke down and i go to car service to repair it, and asked to diagnosys too. they find alot of major problems, almoust everything was form factory... I paid for it 1000 euros. After 4 days my water pump borke down... i paid for it 80 euros. than after 2 months my radiator blow up, i go to my friend who are repairing cars and asked him to replace radiator and inspect engine. in one good day my friend call's me and say ''Its god miracle how your engine belt is still in one piece, it had to broke down 5 years ago , because it's not changed 15 years'' i was shocked... i bought new belt, radiator, all camshaft kit and atf oil because he checked transmission and oil change was right in time. i paid for it 600 euros. the engine after this started to run like best quality swiss clock :) Now everything is excelent, my car are in my friends ar service and he is changing 2 front shock absorbers because they are leaking oil very well (i must pay 400 euros). Summary car is in normal technical condition BUT- my car have scratches in paint, rust, and everything else what u can imagine in 23 year old car, so i must pay about 2k to make it look great. Summaray i am payd for this car about 2,2k and i will pay 2k too to #MakeMyBimmerLookGreatAgain... soo its about 4,4k... Yeah, E36's are pretty expensive fun!
PS : Sorry for my awful English.
You should change your oil to 10W60. Regards from Germany
Thomas Gobs I like 10w30, 10w40, and 15w40 for my cars depending on usage. My Turbo car and '55 Chevy both run the 15w40 Diesel oil.
MRsjovealek ....If the 10W xx is for getting oil to get in to the engine quicker on start up ( Were wear and tear on the engine is at its greatest ) than 15 or 20W xx and if xxW60 is to provide better protection to the engine than xxW 40 or 50 then wouldn't Thomas gobs be correct in saying PROTECT your car with 10W60 from the start to ensure that the engine lasts longer and delays the - very worn..
@@Theteese Higher viscosity oil doesn't necessarily protect your engine any better, in fact it may be worse as the oil doesn't flow easily to all the places it needs to go (VANOS units will just love the wrong oil viscosity for instance). It also decreases performance and increases fuel consumption somewhat.
People use these oils on track cars because on the track the engine will be running very hot, as the oil gets hotter its viscosity drops so an oil that is too thick for road use is just right for the track.
Damn bro I feel bad for UK people...I have an e36 m3 with zero rust man my car been through everything with 337,962km on it.
The UK economy is being held down by taxation and government market fixing which has meant it is becoming very expensive for working class people.
The average house costs about £160,000=$198,000 yet the average working class salary is only £20,000.
Think about this the average UK card carrying unionized electrician hourly rate is about $15 p/h and that is highly qualified 4 year trade school/apprenticeship trained.
My medical salary in the US is 5 times higher than the UK.
The UK economy is being held down by taxation and government market fixing which has meant it is becoming very expensive for working class people.
The average house costs about £160,000=$198,000 yet the average working class salary is only £20,000.
Think about this the average UK card carrying unionized electrician hourly rate is about $15 p/h and that is highly qualified 4 year trade school/apprenticeship trained.
My medical salary in the US is 5 times higher than the UK.
bighands69 immigrants bring too much cash which makes inflation even worse. Same shit in Canada.
bighands69 oh, what a tragedy... Here in spain average home is about 120k euros and average salary is about 10k
Should of gone with a civic
Blue Euphoria ok big old Honda fan here but not over a (nice) e36
1. It's a joke
2. I don't like your name
Wow. I expected way more than that. My Astra had its engine damaged 3 weeks after I bought it cause the previous owner built in some fucked up parts, cost me 1500€. The oil I had to refill before they could actually tell me that the engine was fucked cost me 160€, and that's JUST the oil that burnt away. Windshield got hit by a stone 3 days after I bought it, cracked completely, 500€. This month I'd have to do MOT, which would cost me another 1700€ but I'm selling the car. Oh, and by the way... I work a 600€/month job.
bought a 2013 STI with 19k miles. After a month of owning it, found out the previous owner had a downpipe and other common mods on it WITHOUT tune. Essentially fucked the engine for the 19k miles he had it. Month after owning it I spun a bearing. $6k later (immediately after buying a 28k$ car) I have a built IAG motor, but still...buying my all time dream car financially fucked me pretty hard.
This guy is so annoying. He obviously bought a rough example and loves to whine about it. I've daily driven an E36 M3 for 13yrs, track and autox it regularly, beat on it almost every drive, and have had hardly any issues(plastic fan broke, wheel bearing replaced). Other than that just regular maintenance to keep the car in top performing condition.
today I bought some tissues at 7/11 for 6bht, 40 is 1€ so that's probably the cheapest thing I ever bought lol
BxPanda7 i bought a fredo today
BxPanda7 I bought a Kia Spectra for €1
Lmao
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didn't he have to buy a new fan for the radiator?
coolsimplerandome k He did, 25£.
Also known as the viscous coupling
Seems parts are cheap in UK. In Canada I bet you that shit would be 3 times the price. We get hosed on everything. A wheel bearing for a shitty car here is $90.
I thought his actual fan disintegrated tho.
No,@2:44*bastard viscous coupling £25:00
We have owned several bmw's over 20 yrs. Still have 2 ci's and one M5 (owned 98 M3 and 05 M3). Car parts for bmw's in the US are ridiculous. My hubby manages to get the parts for the 2 ci's (01 and 04) at a place that collects wrecked bmw's cheap. But if we have to buy anywhere else they are out outrageous. We bought a 2016 M5 about 2 months ago and all the electric parts scare me as to the cost to repair.
The lesson here is keep your undertray/chassis clean and get on top of any rust the moment it shows up or you'll have a huge bill if you're lucky, unlucky and you can write off your car.
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Trabbant used less oil.
Terrible advice. The E46 M3 is even more complicated and unreliable than the E36.
for the sake of being a bit newer and less rusty, it is a better buy
Well that really depends on the specific car. If he were to buy one for the same price as he bought his E36, I'd bet it would have even more rust or problems. Otherwise why would it be so cheap? Start digging into the E46's VANOs, bushings, and rods issues and you'll see why those quickly become maintenance nightmares compared to the much simpler E36.
theshonen8899 everything you've mentioned is technically present as well in older car. you could seen it in his m3 diary. both cars have vanos. it is really wrong to say that newer car has more rust
You could Do the sub frame yourself for 140$, Rod bearings was a free fix (didn't fix the problem in my opinion) so consider bimmerworlds option that' bullet proof, 576$ w/ ARP rod bolts, and VANOS after core charge is roughly 450+ including vanos oil pressure line if you go beisen systems.1226$ w/o tax to solidify all major problems with the vehicle. Excluding that more or less it's just how you treat the vehicle. Definitely expensive on oil, bushings & the occasional valve adjustment. As well as odd cars when things aren't optimal.
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£10 000 for an M3 which sounds that good and looks that purposeful (after lowering and spacing out) that doesn’t sound too bad. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still serious money, but I was expecting it to be much much worse!
The one down point of the E36. I have had 2! Worst service bill I got was £2,500! Just on a routine service. Still the best and most favourite car I have ever owned
So you serviced your car and didn't buy spark plugs... And free labour?
I think he does the work himself and/or with help from someone (like Gareth).
Car Throttle is actually turning everyone off to the idea of owning an E36 M3 and getting an E46 M3 instead. This is because they want to convince the viewers to not even apply for SuperSpeedersRob's giveaway M3 because it will just need a lot of fixing and maintenance no matter what. The less people that want an E36, the less that sign up, the less people sign up, the higher the chances that Car Throttle has of winning it.
We all know they bought all of the limited edition shirts that give you more chances to win.
Sneaky sneaky Car Throttle. Playing the long con I see..
Not at all, its just a few children buying a bad example of an E36 M3 and thinking an E46 won't cost anything to maintain...
Neil Magill I was kidding.
I'm just annoyed at his attitude :(
Neil Magill Everyone's entitled to their opinion. This was simply a video of him how much he paid in repairs. If you had to pay over 3000 Pounds for your car, you'd be upset at it too.
Of course they are, but it's not accurate saying an E46 would be a better buy... Buying a heap of an E46 would easily cost as much :).
Seriously: YOU ruined yourself by not checking a used car properly and abusing a quite old car. You were very naive.
And you're still naive if you think you could buy a PROPER Miata for 2000 ;-p
It would be interesting to know how many miles you have used the M3 for. You have also missed out the cost of insurance and fuel. For example I have had my car for 2 years with a total cost of £7136. This includes cost of the car, insurance, tax, servicing and fuel. I have drvien shy of 10K miles. This works out to around 65p per mile.
Now if I had an e36 M3 i would have spent £4000 on insurance alone.
I had an E36 328 some years ago. spent a fortune on it! would never bother with BMW again! can get similar or better performance elsewhere
japanese always and forever.
so cents in UK is pronounced pents?
Jeremy Hill pence
Yea, it's the same of cents just spelt and said differently
hence pence
in that case..... it makes pents now!
Should have got a e46
should have got a V8
My daily driver is a 1999 e36 M3 with over 300k mi. Doesn’t leak or burn any oil. She still pulls hard, absolutely love this car, could never see myself behind the wheel of a boring ass Hyundai- lexass- Nissan etc etc ect
I'm in for waayyy more than that in my e36 M3. Actually just purchased a set of super sprint headers a few minutes ago. If you actually enjoy something, then that is more valuable than money in my opinion.
There is nothing wrong with The E36. You just bought a heap of shit that wasn't looked after and abused. I wouldn't buy any car from the U.k.
The salty air over there kills cars very quickly..
Salting of the roads in winter. Same as any other region that does it. Cars that use galvanising on both sides of the sheet metal like Audi are fine. I have a 18 year old Peugeot with no rust in the UK due I believe to a superior undercoating. My BMW 530i Touring of similar vintage rusted out the sills and tail gate. It was scrapped.