Dovetails By Hand - Chiseling Tips & Tricks
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2020
- Dovetails By Hand - Chiseling Tips & Tricks. In this video Rob Cosman shows you how the correct chiselingtechniques to cut dovetails by hand. This video is a companion to our through dovetails video which shows you step-by-step how to cut dovetails by hand. Join Rob as he teaches you all of his tips and tricks for chiseling perfect through dovetails.
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- IBC Bevel edge chisels - robcosman.com/collections/chi...
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- 2 inch machinists square: robcosman.com/collections/lay...
VIDEOS ROB REFERENCES IN THIS VIDEO:
- How to Cut Dovetails by Hand - A New Approach (2020): • How to Cut Dovetails b...
- How to Cut Dovetails by Hand - Layout Tips and Tricks: • Dovetails By Hand - La...
- Dovetails by Hand - Sawing Secrets for Better Dovetails: • Dovetails By Hand - Sa...
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This is an essential video for any new hand dovetailer to watch. This is the clearest explanation of these concepts I've seen compiled in one place before. Great video!!
Glad it was helpful! what Video should we do next?
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Maybe a fret saw setup/usage tutorial? I'm never confident the tension is high enough, and I have a hard trouble keeping it level when removing the waste in dovetails.
Hey Dk!
I'm with dk. I totally destroyed my latest attempted dovetail with my fret saw. I suppose its just practice but some tips might be helpful.
@@johnnorris1546 still laughing. Made my day today.
Rob, you remind me of the professor that everyone is lining up to register to get into your class. Thank you for another great video.
well we are just about to open registartion for the 2021 training thehand workshops on my webpage!
I've been binge watching these videos since I started chemotherapy. Once I get some strength back I am going to have a go at making a bench. Thanks for giving me something to watch Rob. :)
Hopes and prayers for a swift and complete recovery and soon you will be cutting dovetails.
Tips and tricks are praiseworthy. I am new to woodworking , but my father was a carpenter. Language teacher by profession I am inspired by your videos. I hav done several boxes with dovetailed; am obsessed with the art of dovetailing. Have a pistol grip dovetail saw of my father and recently sharpened,. Though does not give me the plump cuts I strive for perfection. Thanks
Wow. Thank you. Invaluable video
Brilliant!
Chiseling is so much fun. Even chilling while chiseling. Chiseling in the summer is better. Chilling in the winter is not as fun.
This channel and these videos were the last drop that made me decide to start pursuing woodworking for a living. I've played around with all of this here and there since childhood, when I practically lived in a garage with my grandpa who taught me a ton of stuff, but never really gone into it for real. Now, at 38, and trying to figure out what that one thing would be I can see myself doing for the rest of my life - this is it. And here I've learned more than I knew I could. Thank you for that.
Also, since I work in marketing, this is an excellent and honest setup - giving people knowledge, and doing it right, showing them the tools, you're doing it how it should be done, and that's why I'll make sure to use you webshop to find my tools.
Thanks for the kind words. You should consider coming to our weeklong training the hnad workshop. We will open 2021 registration 1 October 2020
Rob this is some of the best, most detailed instruction I've ever seen on the internet. We're all in your debt. thank you.
Fantastic Rob, thank you.
Thnaks for watching
This is.a MUST SEE video for everyone wishing to learn how to use a chisel properly in order to cut highly accurate dovetails. The simple clear explanations backed up by great close up camera shots illustrate so many important features and tips (rarely found in books or discussed elsewhere). Thanks so much for your guidance - I have learnt so much!!!
Glad it was helpful!. Keep watching and i will keep making videos
Excellent video, Rob. I tied fancy fishing flies for Atlantic salmon and steelehead flies for years. When my close friend and tying partner died prematurely I lost my desire to do it. Tying those flies was intricate and demanding work, and taught me some thigs that serve me well as I learn to work wood by hand. The first thing is that each piece of material is unique and you can;t fight it. You have to learn to work with the material. The second lesson was to be patient. There’s no need to rush, and undue haste makes for bad results. The third and perhaps most important lesson was that the joy is in the process. The result, though the goal, is secondary to the joy of the work to get there. Stu.
Soooo many great and subtle tips, Rob! I hope to have my dovetails look as gorgeous as yours some day 🤗
Enjoying your new format of great detail. Always better to assume everyone knows nothing before going into great detail. That way all can learn a thing or 12. Thank you for your time teaching us all.
Glad you like them! Keep watching and we will keep filming
I cut my first dovetail a couple of weeks back - I must admit it wasn't so beautiful, but it showed me that they aren't impossible, just something that you need to practice over and over.
I now practice a dovetail joint each day, and am starting to see results. Thanks for this content, it really does help in a massive way, much appreciated!
Soon you will have it down. Then watch out you will be a dovetailing monster!
Very helpful: many thanks.
Rob, thanks for sharing your skill.
Thanks for watching
this is one of those videos im putting in my "save to watch latter" so much information ill be watching this video multiple times. Amazing work Rob thank you sir!
Thnaks for watching and commenting
Great bunch of tips and methods. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
This is the way its done. Perfection, sir.
Wow, thanks! I just hope it helped you
One of the most useful dovetailing videos I’ve see . Thanks for sharing
Glad it was helpful!
Thx very much!!!!!
Really nice Video 👍
Thank you for this priceless información that for sure will take our woodwork to the next level¡¡¡ greetings.
thank you for watching and commenting
An absolutely awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Now go cut some dovetails
Very good explanation, and unique by the fact that present solutions and techniques to avoid mistakes that most new woodworkers do when they're just starting out. Very good!
Great video, Thanks
Glad you liked it!
great tips, thank you
Thanks for watching
Thank you very much for this video
You are welcome
Possibly, outside of tool sharpening tips, thus far, this came to be the single most important woodworking advise I have ever got. Thank you Rob.
Rob - another awesome video. I keep picking up tools as I can, but as you said practice, practice, practice. Time to get into the "shop" (garage) and do some practicing while it is still warm. Thank you for making tips like this available.
Practice makes perfect. Watch my dovetail tips videos and you wil quickly get up to speed. If you have issue let me know and I will try to help
Thanks, Rob. Just did some dove tails in soft wood two days ago and the chiseling was a mess. Today I prepared a 17° chisel, lots of work grinding by hand but this is so much better!
Great lesson once again!
Greetings from Vienna
The 17 degree works so nice in software
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Hehe, how did you know I am a software architect. Now that you mentioned it, I can think of some crap code that would deserve being cleaned out by that chisel 😂
I always learn something when I watch one of your videos. Drawing those lines a 1/16th inside. That's new - to me.
Keeps you from messing up your base line
Thanks!!
No problem!
Got me on that transition. haha, Thanks Rob, and everyone else in prodution
Thanks for watching and commenting
Great demonstration video Rob, thanks. And, great camera work Jake...
Thnaks Bill. Glad you liked it!
Great video on chiseling dovetails, I have had many of the problems described. Rob makes sawing the dovetail so effortless freehand. I hope he has a video sawing, I will be looking for it.
Jim, we posted the sawing tips video about 3 weeks ago. Here it is: ruclips.net/video/n-5ZIIKdLNk/видео.html
as always, packed with in depth tips and detail from the master himself. but i have to give it to jake on this video. great camera work!
Yes I think Jake and his camera work is one of th ebig things that sets us apart from other woodworking channels
Well, I am trying to get away from all lathe work and back into some furniture work. Working on hand cut dove tails. One thing I have tried, with some success is some thing I saw when viewing some Japanese joinery videos. Some will use a clamped on shooting board for making the final paring cuts. So for dovetails, this would be a piece of wood with all 4 sides square to each other, and spanning across the length of the board. Move it to the cut line, and clamp it in place. This gives you a perfect right angle start for trimming the waste from the bottom of those cuts. Easy to tip the chisel away slightly to get that surface slightly concave. I have been thinking about making ones for paring the pins as well, cut at 7 or 8 degrees, depending on the specific angles used. As my martial arts instructors used to say, "10,000 more times"!!!!
Rob, thank you. There are several hand tool channels I watch, but I appreciate yours the most for making it actually accessible. As much as I appreciate guys who have decades of experience being able to do things completely "old school," I am incredibly grateful that you are not so precious about the old ways that you won't develop novel approaches. You've got a great blend of old-school skills and new-school views that really make this doable.
Sometimes the work "thanks" seems to be insufficient and that's the case here but anyway, I really appreciate your patience and time for teaching us across the world. I hope the technology won't destroy the beautiful handmade woodworking. I'm going to do my part as well keeping the dream and the this legacy alive hoping that one day, I'll start the same path of teaching.
Ah! Think I've been suffering from the chisel twisting when I do the small end portion of wastelast. Great tip, thank you!
Glad to help
So true. That was a great tip. Also really liked the small square in the bottom of the joint. Excellent video. Thank you.
I'm a finger joint expert and a novice of the dovetail, but love how sneaking up to the line is a universal constant. $0.02
I can’t believe the timing. I’m doing my first dovetail project now and going to start making dovetails for the corners of a cabinet on monday. You taught me how critical a proper saw is (made me buy a Veritas). You taught the ingenious offset trick for marking the pins with a saw blade. And now this video, right on time, saving a lot of frustration for sure.
You have created such a valuable resource for us beginners so we can make decent joints right from the beginning. A humble thank you and best greetings all the way from Finland.
Thanks....send me some pics of your dovetails at robswebmaster@robcosman.com
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I sure will
GREAT REMINDER to make your first socket floor cuts at the pin corners and leaving any remainder in the middle! Some might ask - why not just use a wider chisel? For me, I just prefer my1/2" chisel for chopping sockets. It also occurs to me that using a narrow enough chisel that allows for a full chisel-width cut at the corners prevents that scenario you warmed about (chisel twisting away from scribe line where unsupported). GREAT video Rob!
Thank you once again for your superior teaching skills. I’ve been using my little square all wrong but with my new found knowledge I hope to improve my dovetails. Thank you
Great coaching~! Just working to keep all these tips in mind while practicing. Might be time to put a computer in the shop so I can keep RUclips handy. ;-)
Thanks, Rob~!
Great idea! just keep the dust out of the computer
Thank you Rob. Great tips and someday I’ll quit studying and start doing.
You got to get out there an cut some dovetails
Thanks Rob. I hope to see you if you come down to Utah again. I'll buy you dinner if you do.
You are on
Well, I cut my first dovetail today with less than stellar results due to pitiful chiseling technique (and no skill). If I'd have seen this video first I'm sure the results would have been better. I'll give it another go tomorrow. Thanks for this excellent tutorial!
I think it was James Krenov who advocated creating a slight hollow on the sides of the pins in order to help insure that the assembled pin didn't risk having any rounded over or belly shape to them as this would be unattractive. Even a slight concave look to the joint would be more elegant. It works well especially on softer woods. Do you think this is advisable?
sometimes the simple little things make all the difference, edge to edge to middle, I can do that, I hadn't figured that out on my own yet but I can do that.
Wow! Never knew any of these chiseling strategies! With regards to chopping initial waste between the pins, I always chiseled from one end of the pin's waste to the other, But I like the how you chop one end, then the other end - leaving a central waste part for last so that under no circumstances will the chisel want to rotate as there is always enough of a knife wall to keep the chisel locked in place! Very clever!
I learned th ehard way, buy ruining a dovetail or two first
RobCosman.com, so happy to see someone teach balancing of forces. A great principle generally, even extends to things like hollow chisel mortising.
I would have had to use a sliding dovetail for the back. But I have a history for over complicating these things. And they still probably wouldn’t have looked as good overall.
Hey Rob I just wanted to tell you I love all the videos and I love all that you do for us vets! I did wanna say that I love the level of depth with this video and I love how you always include the body mechanics how crucial it is to have good basic skills! Thanks for all you do brother!
I thought I knew how to chisel dovetails...cheers...rr Normandy, Fra.
Now you do !!!!!
It seems to me that a lot of the art lives in the thumb.
Hi Rob. Love your videos and the small tips and tricks ❤️
I am am just beginning my studies to be an cabinet maker in Denmark, an have all lot of value of your videos already.
I have trouble with the disguised dovetail, especially the inside corner, it would be really cool to see how you do this.😊
so what other videos should I make?
RobCosman.com, Mikael must be talking about a secret miter dovetail, our parlance. You’ve got your work cut out for you, Rob. Better you than me!
Well that would be cool also, but i was just talking about half blind.
You have made a video a long time ago, but it is not the best fore explaining, so I was just thinking if you have some new perspective on that. Like your new teknik om regular dowetail.
But japanese dowetails would also be really cool.
I love the "draw an edge line" -- I wish I had drawn that edge line yesterday. I got 5 stitches while paring EXACTLY as seen in the thumbnail photo. (I am watching videos to try to learn from my mistake now.) So, I must have had only 1/64th or less of the chisel on the edge when I put downward pressure. It slipped off. Maybe I wasn't perfectly square with some of the chisel bottom unsupported. Even with 1 1/8" from the edge of my stock to the top of the vise, my left index finger was trapped between the chisel and the vise. Of course, it all happened in 200 milliseconds. (Fortunately, no nerves appear to have been cut, otherwise playing a fretted instrument would not continue to be part of my life.) I get sitches out in 7-10 days. :(
Excellent video once again!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’m watching you fix the center pin and thinking to myself, wouldn’t a file or sanding stick make that process easier? Maybe a float if you have one?
Great video as always! Can you do a video on tool storage? I don't have a dedicated shop and I want to build something to store my tools in. Something like a tool tote but I'd love to hear Rob's thoughts on the matter.
Actually we are working on that as a full length video
@@RobCosmanWoodworkingI'm looking forward to seeing it!
Have you considered making a playlist similar to the wood turning for beginners, but title it dovetailing for beginners?
We already have a dovetail playlist...its titled "Dovetails by Hand"
9:14 - nice, no more twists :)
yup I screwed a couple dovetails up before I figured that out
I have watched your video many times and enjoyed every one. I am currently making a hidden hinged box with dovetails. The dovetails are coming on fine. I am struggling with setting up the router to give the best fit to the side and top. You refer to a separate video for setting up the height and the back fence. I have searched and can not find the link/video. hope you can assist. Regards Mick
The reason why the carvers mallet hits straight is because when mallet and chisel are in line, the force will be perfectly aligned with the center of the mallet every time.
What is the most common “size” chisel for dovetails? I’m wanting to start and need all the help I Han get so I thought I would get one two LN chisels.
Sharp tools are dangerous, blunt tools are leatal. Great video. How about using a backup board in the vise like you did on the bench to prevent breakout
Great idea
I’m so curious…how would you correct the pin if the saw sloped off plum to the left of the line?
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What kind of tape do you put on your mallet handle?
Nice video Rob. I have difficulty setting my marking gauge to the kerf of the saw blade when using your transferring method. How do you get it set to the blade thickness consistently?
@ The Tranq, he takes it directly off the saw plate resting on a hard surface.
Lee Haelters yah that’s what I try but I always seem to be a bit off
TheTranq, use a feeler gauge, test a few leaves that are larger than the saw plate thickness, and dedicate the winner.
Recently I have been working on a tool box 14* 14* 6 inches, I did 6 tails each measuring under 3/4 inch at the top and under 1/2 inch at the base. Are six tails too much for the piece of work,? I came to know from you that it would weaken the joint. Is it ok I insert a dowel half way from the top of the joints once assembled? By the way the boards are mahogany and teak just under 1/2 inch
Hi Rob, did you see the great video Pask Makes did showcasing your hinge wood box today?
No I didnt , I will try and find it
Yeah that was awesome.
Rob: would you consider northern pinned (scots pine, pinus sylvestris) as a soft wood that requires that low angle chisel?
Yes
Great video. Do you have any tips to avoid marking gauge stains o pine? When I use mine it tends to leave a dark colour on the wood. I think it might be the metal wearing or something like that.
Is your marking gauge made of brass?
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Yes
Is there any way of me coming along to listen learn and work hard help around ur shop but I'm after 1 to 1 hel I have bipolar and want to get my joints looking professional done make some nice boxes I got my nvql1 in carpentry and joinery but no experience it wood be nice if u could tell me we're to get tools to start me I get 250 month is there any tools u could put together for me to get me of ground love ur work n ur a brilliant teacher please if there's any way u can help me it will do me good for my bipolar thank u scott I'm in hull
The first thing that was impressed on me as an apprentice cutting dovetails was the importance of accurate sawing, right to the line. There are many advocates of the "leave a bit on and chisel to the line", all over RUclips. An approach which makes no sense to me. At best this approach is over cautious, but fiddling around usually leads to loss of crispness. Not to mention the time wasted. My other pet hate is the advocacy of a "dry fit"... It's the old journeyman who taught me, who would have had the fit!
My mentors, Alan Peters, Taig Frid and others would throw you out of their shop if you cut wide and pared back
RobCosman.com, were you a student at RISD? When my wife started there it was too late to meet Professor Frid, to my great regret. Dropping in to the shop there as a young woodworker, during his day, was one of my most important influences, though.
Some nice tips. My advice would b Try cutting 1st dovetails watch video again. And again... And again... Until you make an acceptable dove tail. You may have to sleep on it. My 14 years in a machine shop I learned a lot of tricks n tips in my dreams. Lot of the tip won't sink in the first time you watch video.
Great advice. Thanks for commenting
just a friendly comment as one LDS to another.
My woodriver saws can’t start kerf worth anything, even trying to start it at the correct angle. Think it’s an issue of the saw needing sharpening?
Jeremy, take 90% of the weight off the saw teeth for the first 2 or 3 strokes, without lifting the saw off the wood. The saw should be so light that it can just skim across the wood. after the first 2-3 strocks the kerf should be start and you can let the entire weight of the saw no do its work
I have some smaller 3 and 4 mm chisels which don't come beveled. I always end up bruising the inside of the tails. Do you bevel them yourself?
No I purched properley beveled chisels. Its a basic criteria when evealuating a chisel. You could try grining your own bevel
Rob, just curious.... since it seems that LN has slowed/stopped producing the skew block plane for now... we should just save our pennies, nickels and dimes for now right? And not pick up any other brand/type of filister or fenced planes?
We talked to LN last week and they think they will have the skew block plane line back up by Christmas. The issue is social distancing in the factory. We recommend waiting for LN skew block
I just bought a Veritas skew block plane and it works great.
Hey Rob, this is probably a silly question.
I have a decent set of chisels. I'm able to put a scary sharp edge on them using your sharpening method, and the edge holds really good for a decent amount of time.
They are kind of clunky, though. The steel is THICK. Probably close to a quarter of an inch right before the primary bevel, and they don't have much of a bevel on the sides
If I'm really careful to not let the steel get hot, could I grind the steel thinner, and grind a bevel on both sides?
Sure you could try that. you could get away with only grinding on the end 2 inches
James and Rob, I’ve done that. Not supposed to grind on the side of the wheel, but how else you gonna keep it flat?
Or... you can grab your Porter-Cable jig and the 3hp router..🤣
The dovetail jig made a monkey out of me. But I eventually took a day to figure it out. Damned fiddly thing.
10:14 got his ass
amazing tips as always rob thank you
Thanks for watching
PS #1 Idownloaded this for future reference.
PS#2. I won't need it ...I quit 😂
I always cut my finger with the sides of the chisel if I hold it like you showed in 13:30.
How can I avoid thatm
Me too, the sides of my index finger always look like I've been playing with a cat 😅 I know that some people treat the edges on the side of the chisel to make them less sharp, but I'm reluctant to do that because it kinda defeats the purpose of a bevel-edge chisel. What I've ended up doing is wrapping my index finger in painters tape. That works pretty well...
@@kevinkolpatzeck5998 maybe some textile tape? I think it will hold better than paper tape.
@@ovidiub13 Good idea. That's gotta be a lot more comfortable.
But I can't stop thinking that you and I are doing something wrong. Rob is dovetailing all day and I've never heard him mention that.
@@kevinkolpatzeck5998 rob would probably tell us about his callus 😀
Thats the difference if you are wood working for decades every day.
@@locutusofborg4580 True 😄
I just saw a guy do a Japanese Dovetail... have you ever done one....???
Are you talking about a sunrise dovetail?
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I agree 100%....I think???
Just remember folks unless your dovetails are perfect you might as well nail everything together it will be stronger xD
Nonsense. "Perfect" dovetails would not even go together. Because as soon as you put glue on the joint it is going to swell. And now it is too tight. You only need the joint "perfect" where it is exposed. The rest you can undercut a fair amount and it won't affect the appearance or strength.
@@1pcfred I'm not going to argue with somebody who thinks gluing everything together is good craftsmanship
@@JesziePVP you're right. You're not going to argue against gluing in the 21st century. You Luddite!
It's called preserving tradition and proven methods tested over millennium.. new age vs old age has nothing to with it so don't try to sound smart with words like luddite
Chisel not in the middle....aaahhhh! That's why I have problems with the chisel twisting. Problem solved!
That will be $10 please......😂😃😆 Try that and it should solve your chisel twisting issues
Rob,,,,,,,Change the second portion of this intro where your unshaven beard of gray is in no way complementing your good looks after all the purpose of this intro is to "Attract Customers" Right? After all One never goes to a job interview after being out All NIght in Bars and nightclubs and then goes unshaven and in tattered clothes. Or do they in Canada?
it is time for a fresh look, been meaning to get that changed for awhile, covid has us three times busier than last year. appreciate the nudge.