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2:55 is the Woodriver brand a very good plane? I know its a woodcraft house brand, but as far as fit and finnish. Smoothness of opration
Sole plates flatness and accuracy of its design over all as a budget brand. Or would you recommend somthing like Bridge River over the number 4.5 ? Or an older Stanley
Oh completed questions but it gets down to the point.
What gets the job done verses pride in your tools.
What can the beginner wood worker buy to do the job as a hobby vers a labor of love and pride as a full time craftsman doing his art?
The difference between a functioning table or a work of art.
I would be interested in your opinion of a new Clifton 5 1/2? Any chance of a review? I like that is is made in Briton as I am from the UK
Hi Rob. A message should be ---don't be afraid of modifying tools to suit personal preferences. That heavy handled chisel - make a new handle. That out-of-square mortise chisel, get it re-ground square. Etc etc. No tool is sacred. If there is a sharp corner that annoys, grind it off. Enjoy the channel. Cheers!!
Modifying tools is fine, but it’s not the topic of discussion of this video. This video is meant to be a warning to take into consideration BEFORE buying any of these tools in the first place. If you buy the right tool the first time, you don’t have to modify it at all. He’s not talking to anyone watching this video who already has one, some or all of these tools.
He’s talking about balance, not weight. Because the neck of that chisel is so long, any handle throws it’s balance off in a close grip for paring like he was holding it. 14:02
While it’s not in this video, he does compare the Narex mortise chisel to a preferred brand in a different video and he does say that it could be grinded square, but it’s so much meat to remove that most people would overheat their chisels and ruin the tempering. For that reason, and because they’re made of softer steel, he does not recommend the Narex mortise chisels at all.
Yes I understand where you are coming from. However, what is the option for those who already own those tools - throw them away or modify? The world is in trouble because of the throw away attitude that exists. Also surface grinding uses a coolant and the material is not overheated. @@surlycanadian
I think it depends on what level of work one wants to accomplish. If I want to do rough general work, I would keep it and make do. If I want to do truly fine hand tool woodworking, I throw/give my inadequate tools away, and get the appropriate tools. Otherwise, I view it as a waste of time and energy.
We all learn lessons. Hard lessons and easy lessons. I’ve purchased thousands in tools that I wish I spent differently. I learned along the way, in part, by watching those like Rob.
@@johnspathonis1078 I said he’s not talking to people who already have the specific tools. This video is not for them. The topic isn’t “do you have these tools I hate?”. The topic is “if you’re thinking about buying these tools, don’t”. Since he’s not talking to people who already own these tools, modifying them is an irrelevant point to his actual target audience for this video; people who don’t have these specific tools.
‘Learn from my mistakes and don’t buy these”
“I already have them”
“Okay, you’re not the target audience for this topic then.” Go watch another video that is more relevant to your existing situation
You have more options than just throwing them away or modifying them. You could sell them or give them away to a starting woodworker.
Ben detto a volte anche il nuovo ha bisogno di essere corretto o modificato
This video has helped me a heap. When i started out i bought a low-angle jack plane and some Japanese pull saws. Which is fine, but no one told me those tools were not gonna cut it on hard Maple.
Seeing an experienced woodworker give his thoughts on the limits of these tools (tools which all the other popular youtubers praise). Its helped me recognize my early failures weren't 100% skill issue, but a little bit of using the wrong tools for the job.
Excellent presentation on what tools not to buy.
I’m only 70 years old and started woodworking at age 4 so I don’t quite have as many years of experience as you, but I totally agree with everything you said.
Just to add my 2 cents as a japanese wood worker for the dozuki saw. Unlike western saws many japanese saws are ground for either hardwoods and softwoods. Usualy for hardwood you need a higher tpi saw and teeth ground for hardwoods (slightly shallower angle on teeth). You can stil cut hardwood with a sotwood saw but you need to be gentle and careful, hardly applying any pressure at all.
Additionally dozuki saws are very delicate and fine, they are meant to be used with little to no pressure when cutting ans you need to prioritize straightness. If you don't you may loose a tooth. After that they will leave an excellent and flat surface.
I love the dozuki for dovetailing. But having only used mediocre western saws before, it cost me 2 blades to learn how to use it properly. 😅
However, I converted the damaged blade to a pull-blade to use it up properly. =)
yeah, what's up with the "hundred years design?" japenese also did alot of woodworking way before the industrial revolution
yeah i would definately trust japanese woodworking finesse over western. the attachment to life in general compared to overiding it and forcing a path is part of the culture, compared to our brute force sort of approach.
book of five rings even has some exellent woodwork advice 😂 and that guy was a samurai..but he understood the nature of wood.
id also trust our ignorance of japanese culture to be pretty solid, so were missing most of the education on the tools and practices.
I like going to estate and yard sales to find old hand tools which I restore. You learn a lot about hand tools restoring them and usually the quality is unmatched. I have bought some rusty dull hulks that I've turned into gems.
It's nice to hear well considered opinions from people with a lot of experience. Learning from other people's mistakes is a lot cheaper than learning from your own.
Thanks for the video.
I concur! 😊
He's only been woodworking for 700 years and thinks his opinion counts 😂
I know…he’s so cheeky….but I keep watching his channel.
I really never thought about the saw handle but now understand why it is important thank you for the explanation
I bought a dovetail saw with a round handle because I thought it would improve my woodworking. Every time I get it out I regret it and swap to a cheap Irwin pull saw with a D handle that produces very clean cuts. Its nice to have my experience vindicated with respect to the handle design. However the absence of a back on the pull saw really helps me see if I am holding the saw parallel to my line. I like the minimal set on the pull saw too. Not sure if I am going to spend any more money on dovetail saws unless I find a vintage one in a flea market.
Thanks Rob. Three of the tools you discussed are on my to buy list. You just made it much easier to select the right ones.
A great set of suggestions born from what appears to be much experience. Thank you.
Thanks for the great video. I'm an old guy who's new at hand tool woodworking. I inherited a few tools when my father in law died, one of which was a Stanley #6. You're so right about the weight an stability you get from a plane of that size. Considering that I've learned most of the techniques I use from you, I'd probably have bought a 5-1/2 if I hadn't already had the 6 but I think the difference between them is inconsequential. I also got a couple of block planes in the acquisition, one being a 60-1/2 and that's the one I reach for pretty much every time. Funny, I didn't even realize how much more comfortable it is until you mentioned it. Finally, you're so right about the sharpness being the most important part as it pertains to the amount of work it takes to use it. A few videos back you quipped that there are guys who put off sharpening until it's to the point where they gotta get another guy to help push it and that cracked me up. But...I also took it to heart and when I notice I'm working up more of a sweat or when I want a really special finish on the wood a touch-up on the stones is definitely in order.
tell you camera man to hold the camera steady when they are sipping their beer.
Because of lung problems I am currently replacing a lot of power tools with hand tools. This video is very helpful. Thank you!
I pray peace and calm enables for you better breathing, especially during your biggest challenges.
✝️☝🏾💜🙏🏿
All good points and all well taken. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
You are so right about the Japanese saws.
Very, very helpful.
I have become a big fan of Japanese pull saws. I find it easy to make a straight cut with the pulling motion. It offers more control than pushing I feel. Great tips in the video anyway. I also prefer a hefty planer, it gives a smoother movement.
@@NeilAbaloneHave you tried a dozuki for cutting dovetails? It changed my mind, although I love using my ryoba and pull out my kugihiki way more than I ever thought I would…
@@NeilAbalone I don't know about the handle of your dozuki, but all of my Japanese saws have oval cross section handles, and so I can use them rather reliably. If one's into vertical cuts only, one can still clamp the piece slanted by the necessary degree.
I'm a pull stroke fan, too, but I do agree with Rob about the problem of the thin blades on Japanese pull saws. I took a regular back saw (called a tenon saw here in the UK) and dismantled and turned the blade round so it now cuts on the pull. Bit of work, but well worth it.
Thank you for sharing. Great information.
excellent. thank you.
Definitely appreciate the reasoning, thank you
Thank you Rod
Bravo Rob a whole video and not one tool needed to be plugged in or have a battery. I am a joiner and have always used a 4 1/2 and a 6 while working on a bench.
Thank you for this video .
Good list. Thanks for sharing.
Great info! Thank you!
Thanks for sharing
Always happy to get the opinions of a fellow Canadian. Keep up the good work!
Great explanation - no bs, verifiable facts.
Thanks for the opinions, sir. Good stuff indeed.
Thanks for your video! It is also my opinion to get started with proper tools! It gives you a better understanding of process and avoids making mistakes.
Haha the man sold it hard when he flatly said “I’ve been working with wood for 700 years” and kept moving 😂
Great advice thanks.
No.3 plane being light keeps the weight considerably down in small tool box for site use !
Great video. Thanks
Buy whatever tools you feel you need for the job, mastering good quality traditional tools expand your skills.
I think you missed my point. These are tools that at one point I “thought” I needed, but in reality shouldn’t have purchased. The purpose of the video is to hopefully save someone else from making the same mistake.
Brilliant.
Rob, you present some good arguments for your tool choices; while l learned to cut dovetails pins first with a dozuki, it was in relatively soft poplar and while l have been a planeophile and still love my collection l may devote a little more time to two 51/2s l have. Thanks for your input.
For a beginner woodworker, this is a highly valuable advice!
Very stimulating discussion. Left me thinking.
then it was worth watching
Thanks. Im a traditional carpenter from Norway. Like your videos.
Thanks!
You had me at 'if the blade is sharp being wider won't matter'. I'm a beginner woodworker, but I've used knives cooking and other jobs for decades and I've seen how the sharper the blade the safer and easier the work. Really like the way you explain stuff.
Thank you
Just modified the handle of a number 4 plane to suit my larger hand and now it's so much more comfortable and easy to use. I also made it suit my right handedness.
Nicely put. Your experience means a lot.
It's my pleasure
I enjoyed the tips and have been doing carpentry for 6 decades. Starting at ten years old with grandfather ❤
Pretty impressive advice ✨✨✨ Thank you
Hi rob thanks for the video certainly know what to buy now thank you
Thank you Rob.
Thank you for watching
Excellent information
Never thought about the mortise chisel stuff. thanks.
Saw comments most interesting! Thanks for insight. More than just tension vs compression.
Yes it is and I didnt even touch on the tooth sharpening issues
Just got my Woodriver 5-1/2! Looking forward to using it a whole lot!
This guy's a gem. Thanks!
Dear Rob, absolutely agree on the saw handle point. Any favorite saw with a true handle grip will improve the directional action and increase muscle memory. Those round handled saws are of better use in a jig. For Japanese saws it’s different, because of the pull action. Hardwoods indeed are less accurately cut with traditional Japanese saws. Oyakata makes a garden style saw with a slightly thicker blade. That saw is more suitable for hardwood. Although I must add there that to allocate saw blades for hardwoods is also helpful. Humbly think it also depends on the level of skill, muscle memory and whether the cut is with or against the grain of the wood. Learning to saw straight is imperative, for folks that push too much, the Japanese saw can be a learning experience, especially for finding the balance between applied action and letting the tool do the work. Great vid, am not a prolific user of planes, definitely will look into your shooting board plane jig vid. Cheerio
Good information. I use planes and chisels primarily for framing and misc remodeling and agree with most of your opinions. I hadn;t thought about the blade angle contributing to the angle of attack on my block planes. I agree, learn to sharpen tools. Sharp cuts, sorta sharp tears wood fibers.
nice ! really enjoyed this, thanks
I like your other comments about saws and chisels and block planes. Although my Stanley block has a blade adjustment so it is easy to set.
Always a great video and insight from a pro.
I love your honesty. Thanks again for a no nonsense opinion… that I agree with by the way. I don’t have a show but I’ve been making furniture for almost 50 years.
Send us some pics of your stuff and we will post it to our customer gallery
@@RobCosmanWoodworking post here or another location?
Nice Planes brings back memories. I used to work in antiques and collectibles in Niagara Falls while being a carpenter at the same time and I used to collect antique tools. I even had a flexible Base plane that you can make the base convex or concave so you could plane rounded objects.
Thank you!
thanks for watching
With regard to the gent's saw, the "correct" and effective grip is to move your hand forward, so that your thumb and index finger are pinching the blade. This way, you will feel the angle of the saw the same way as a dovetail saw.
Thanks for the tip.
Very interesting. Thanks. I definitely feel like I could have done without my low angle jack. Shooting board is where I used the most which is still not a lot but I rarely grab it. My low angle block though, I use that ALL the time.
Great video as always! The practical advice is always welcomed because the quality of your work backs up your opinions! Thank you for sharing! Take care👍🏻
My pleasure!
I always enjoy your take on tools and projects, thank you!
Thanks for commenting and watching
Thanks Rob , very useful video
Thanks for watching
Great video, great info! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you very helpful
Doesn’t always, only occasionally. My western saw never does, that the difference.
Love the video I learnt a lot in this video
Well done Rob - one of your better videos!
Wonderful information I like words of wisdom from a pro, not wishy washy we’re they argue both sides and leave you still undecided
Thank you for a interesting and helpful video
you bet
Great tips thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching
Great opinions. 100 %
Excellent info and I agree with everything you pointed out. Like you I have tools that I don't use. If not a collector piece, they need to go because I just don't have the space and they will just corrode. Thanks!
You’re good! 😊
Thank you so much Rob. Very informative . Julien
I have made my first wood hinge box after ordering your jig to make holes in the center of the dowels. Works just great. I need more practice. I used 1\4 dowel should have used
3/8.Will see what happens.
Hi, what's the name of that jig?
Thanks again for your opinions ❤
In Germany, Dictum sells a low angle jack with a detachable shooting board grip called "hotdog" ❤
That's the one I use. It's great. And at the cost, you can even keep it as a dedicated shooting plane only.
Great video. Personal preference is everything. You talk about what I call the joy factor. It is subjective and sometimes you can’t even explain why, but a tool or a process makes you happy. For example, if I commissioned you to make a shaker table with a drawer but stipulated you must use those 9 mistake tools, that table would come out as well as if you used your preferred tools. What would be missing would be the joy factor. You would cut perfect dovetails with the gent saw. You would compensate for the chisel bevels. You would dig out the dedicated shooting plane and work through the ergonomics. To me, a good gent saw is a delight to use. I don’t use a mortise chisel (don’t own one) because there is no joy in doing that task - for me. I can’t make the unseen joint better and it brings me no happiness. On the other hand, I draft and draw by hand as opposed to CAD. Slower, yes. Better, yes. And the joy factor is through the roof!
great advice Rob
Thanks for watching
That hand plane mold for shooting boards is genius!! Want one! I built your shooting board 2 months ago (I didn’t know what I was missing!). Have been using it ALL THE TIME. Although my hand gets a sore spot in the palm. This is just what I need!
We are going to add a rubberized soft cover for it soon
Great video. 👏👏
I love opinions. Especially those from experienced folks.
I wish I could say that about everyone !!!!
Awesome.
Thank you! Cheers!
I haven’t made any of these purchases in my time. I am a hybrid woodworker as I use what will do the job the quickest and sometime hand tools are just faster. But you taught me something today. I never thought of using a block of wood to guide a mortise chisel. I use them as they are just faster if I am only doing 1 or 2.
Good video
Great video rob
Not that you were worried about it, but I totally agree.
Всегда с большим вниманием слушаю мастера, много полезной информации. Спасибо, здоровья и благополучия.
Thanks
I really appreciate these instructional videos. I agree with most of what you said. I have been doing wood working for only a few years as a hobby. So not a ton of hours in the craft. I have heard many recommendations that I can't wrap my head around the logic. You just explained it for me. Instinctively I disagreed with some tool suggestions and you just told me why they "felt" wrong. Thank you.
Glad to help. Thanks for commenting
Informative video.
Thanks
thank you
Thank you for watching
Hi Rob, bought a Jack plane mainly on price (Stanley Sweetheart) and enjoy using it. Added a 51/2 from Busy Bee and switch back and forth. However as you say, sharpness is key to good planing.
I have a Veritas low angle jack plane. It was pretty much useless as a shooting plane but works beautifully otherwise. I purchased a #6 from Cosman. It's a little large for shooting but works well for that. It doubles for use jointing medium length pieces for musical instruments I make. The first pricey saw I bought was a gent's saw. I never use it. I have Narex mortise chisels which do have sloped sides. I have learned to use them passably well.
Best marking gauge I ever bought
I’m a big fan of my LN #62. It’s basically my jack for sure. I agree with mostly everything else. And from my experience most planes, if tuned well, can smooth. When it comes to shooting I find the biggest issue I have is a dull blade. Can shoot anything almost as long as your blades are sharp and maintained. Thanks for the video Rob
I love my Veritas #62 used it much more than expected .
I have my Grandfathers 62, given to me from my father. I like it a lot but I think more because it belonged to him. I would have never purchased one if my father hadn't given it to me.
Nice. As a musical instrument maker who makes a lot of his own tools, I get it.
cheers from sunny Vienna, Scott
Tks rob
You bet