Why MLB Can’t Stop Pitchers From Cheating
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i dont even watch baseball but watched the whole video gj
Proud of you bro, I remember when u had like 20k subs. Keep doing your thing man 🙏🏼
This video made zero sense. They don't want spider tack because people cry about it but they know the baseballs are too slippery and if they make them too tacky no one can hit them or the pitcher can't control them so they need to make the ball just a perfect blah blah blah .... just let them use spider tack and deal with it
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Modern sports: "AI enhancements are going to threaten the integrity of sports."
Also modern sports: "Secret mud hole in New Jersey"
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Super under rated comment
King of Juco tested the alcohol vs rosin thing and in a 1 minute video he proved that the alcohol made the ball stickier. Scherzer got ejected and banned for 10 games for doing exactly what the umpires told him to do. It's ridiculous
Bauer did it before him.
Rosin softened with alcohol is exceptionally sticky, I use a mixture of rosin and alcohol for soldering and it works very well for that, but it makes a hell of a mess when you spill it
Or King of Juco and Scherzer were both lying. I guess it just depends on which group of total strangers you choose to believe: ones who would make money from cheating or ones who want their sport to be fair.
Whiney cheaters
@@Briansgate but it’s legal to use what Bauer uses 😂
Just so much interesting stuff there. Great content!
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It’s always made me laugh that everyone took this family at their word that “this mud is the best mud.” We are very susceptible to the placebo effect.
I know where they get it. It’s right by my house. It’s right off the Rancocos river in riverside Nj. I saw them digging it out while fishing for channel cats during a spring tournament at low tide. I think it has more to do with tradition than placebo. This is baseball we’re talking about here.
It's not about best, it's that everyone is used to it so unless the mud runs out there's no point in changing. Everyone using the same mud is supposed to make every ball the same.
@@sumelar who's to say the mud in that specific location didn't change a lot over time? I doubt it makes much if any difference
@@void_snw Over time would mean no meaningful change on an individual pitcher's timescale.
@@smelltheglove2038sssshhhhh
Losing 7-5 while throwing a no hitter is the most absurd thing I've ever heard😂
well I mean it wasn't really a "no-hitter" considering the ball was doing all of the hitting lmao
Loses in no hitters have even happened in the mlb, and they weren’t too long ago
@@AndreIguodalaFan55 One of my favorite pieces of Astros trivia is that the first time that the franchise (then known as the Colt .45’s) made significant history was becoming the first team in league history to lose a no-hitter in a regulation 9-inning game back in 1964. The “Dome” opened up the next year and then that became what Houston baseball was known for, but for a brief moment in time it was all about the confusion of how you can possibly lose a no-hitter😂
GD can u drone on ANY longer about the same thing in the same nasaly voice with edits every 8s so there is no natural pause in what you are saying? I'm trying to clean my garage and near the end of this i felt like my mother was nagging me.
Cheaters are cowards.
"The same company that made napalm, agent orange, hydrogen bombs, and breast implants. Are working with MLB to make a new baseball." That was a fucking flashbang of a sentence.
And rhymes with POW
Monsanto baby
Edit: Dow chemicals apparently
Ayup, the real bitch of a thing about everything being made from chemicals, Dow, DuPont, and Monsanto are just as responsible for Easy Bake Ovens as they are for firebombs.
It's also...completely irrelevant? It seems like it's trying to be sensationalistic for no reason. DOW chemicals has made THOUSANDS of things over the years, I don't see what cherry picking supposedly "controversial" ones has to do with baseball. They are a chemical company. They make chemicals. MLB wants a chemical. I don't get why you would even mention all that unless you had no idea who DOW was and just randomly clicked on their wikipedia page and looked for controversies.
@Tinil0 Defending a multinational corporation who had killed thousands of people? You're sick.
Having a MLB approved substance for extra grip makes a lot of sense to me. You already give pitchers a rosin bag, so why not give them an approved substance that you could more easily regulate.
Because they could just use better foreign substances anyway? Like you said, they give them rosin anyway, so they are already given an approved substance. They just want an edge.
Lets be honesty here. They use the substances because they want an advantage. Sure, they could just stick to the approved rosin. Or they could sneak in something a little more sticky and be able to throw the ball just a little bit better. They are always going to try and cheat no matter what you give them.
People will always do anything to give them an edge. In top sports every single little tiny advantage can make or break a game.
Well from what I heard from the video there is still a limit on how much rosin you can use. So you would still run into grey areas regarding the amount of the substance.
Video said Japan and Korea already figured this out, why not just copy them o.o
10:28 “whether I’m doing a good job or not idk but I haven’t had any complaints” *me at every job I’ve worked*
whats crazy is pitchers are cheating so much that it almost seems like baseball exists
nah bro baseball never existed
Fo sho
Alas, we can only dream.
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ok slow down there buddy
I used to work for the Cardinals and I would often see the clubhouse employees mudding the balls prior to the game. They told me one day that the MLB officials were supposed to be doing it but they would pass it off on them all the time. There was no supervision whatsoever, literally four guys sitting around a table in the laundry room with a bucket of mud and a giant basket of baseballs.
Umpires not doing their job.
In all depictions of baseball prep I have never heard anyone claim MLB officials are supposed to do it. It's always the home team people.
Every video ever made shows the clubbies doing this. Which "MLB official" is supposed to be rubbing dozens of balls?
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So you cant have sticky hands, but you need to have sticky baseballs. Absolutely amazing how well thought out that is lol. 😂
Yeah that seams like a catch 22
I'm sure you've played baseball in your life at least once... You've probably at least threw a baseball... Have you ever had an issue with the ball being slippery? These are supposed to be professionals They don't need a sticky ball, or rather they shouldn't need one, or sticky hands... how can you claim to be a professional but require a specific kind of ball otherwise you're no good. That doesn't make sense, they should be good with any standard baseball.
@@marikasdaughter6263 They are, the point is that they are even better with sticky baseballs. And in a profession, where a one percent increase of effectivenes decides if you are successful or not, such a comparatively big change is insanely attractive. Its always been like this in the world of real professionals.
@@gorgit Why don't they force them to wear some gloves?
@@liu3chan good point, idk
Glad to see all the footage of my local team, the Rocket City Trash Pandas, in this one! That no-hitter loss was mind blowing to me and I had no idea they were using the pre-tacked balls. That certainly explains a lot!
Just guessing, MLB doesn't want to use the Japanese/Korean balls because then they don't control them. They want to be able to change the formulation of the sticky stuff so they can play with spin rates, walks, strikeouts, etc. without letting anyone else know in the middle of the season.
Damn it you're right. They could easily use the Japanese balls but you're right, they want to fuck with the balls depending on how they think the season is going. Man the MLB seriously is that sleazy.
I kind of feel like there's a huge conflict of interest problem with MLB manufacturing the balls for that reason, it should probably be illegal, because they can manipulate results.
There's more to it, MLB owns a significant part of rawlings responsible to make the baseballs. The Japanese/Korean balls are made by different companies (I think the japanese ball is a Mizuno)
@@bobbygetsbanned6049crazy all the shit they do with the balls every year. It’s always some shady nonsense
@@marcjohn9404and they will. Hate all the rule changes specifically designed to change outcomes. That’s what bothers me the most. Artificially manipulating the game
For someone that hasn't watched a baseball game in over a decade and hated playing the sport, I sure watch a lot of baseball videos. Just so much interesting stuff there. Great content!
Dude same 😂 I do not understand my own fascination
I love how your style & the way you tell these stories is so engaging, even to people like me who haven't watched baseball in ages.
Last baseball game I watched was a Rangers vs Cardinals World Series game, and even that was only one game in about a decade.
Yet here I am, watching all your videos religiously because they're that good!
Scherzer wasn't caught cheating. The ump told him to wash his hand with alcohol, which he did, then the ump threw him out because his hands were covered in alcohol and rosin
been watching baseball my whole life and I never would have known this!
Dow chemical making the balls? Cut to 30 years later "Did you or someone you know play baseball and develop skin cancer in your throwing hand?"
I learned more about baseball in this one video than I have in my entire life, and I enjoyed it. Bravo sir
These videos are the perfect length and aooo addicting. Great job man
Being consistent is hard for MLB
Admittedly, it seems to be hard for most of modern humanity
Yeah it’s harder then most sports
Being right is even harder for them bums
I don't think it'll be easy for them to make a ball that works. The biggest issue is that some pitchers need more sticky stuff than others depending on how much their hands sweat, the grooves of their hands, finger length, and myriad of other factors. A ball that's too sticky for one might be not sticky enough for another at some "universal" stickiness.
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The umps petting dudes, poking and prodding their ears, the HILARIOUS dude that was staring at MadBum...I swear, if nothing else, all this has made for some pretty hilarious moments. lol
Bro you have the best baseball channel on YT... So happy to have found you all those years ago and see you grow into the large channel that you are today! 😁
Honestly this just proves bauer was right
I agree, Mr Trevor Bauer knew this the whole time.
Yeah he was right. It's not an easy problem though. And unfortunately for him, it kinda seems like he's not a very good pitcher without a lot of sticky stuff, going by his last few starts in Japan.
@@PlaySA Bro, he got banned for so long from professional play. He was a great pitcher without sticky stuff, what's hurt him is over a year of not playing and dealing with an insane amount of personal stress from a BS lawsuit
@@CharlesFreck Like my brother always says, "Sometimes the f**king you get ain't worth the f**king you get."
@@jx14aby Ain't that the truth
I'm ok with pitchers cheating as long as it benefits my favorite team
(Go Astros)
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@@thetexanshurtme pitchers or players??? (jk i forgive the astros)
Ofc the astros
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This guy makes me question my own reality sometimes 😂😂😂😂 phenomenal storytelling
Umpire needs to signal immediately when an inning ends and they're going to check. Wiping your throwing hand on anything during or after this call needs to result in a suspension. Walk a new ball over to the pitcher, have them close their hand over it, umpire then compresses their grip on it for a bit, then ask the pitcher to slowly open their hand. If the ball doesn't drop right away, ejection and suspension.
I love how most of the clips were Max Scherzer
I love this channel. I just got into baseball a few months ago and this channel has helped me stay consistent with watching the game.
Great vid! That Angels - Mariners brawl was the best thing to happen to the Mariners in years. :D
We used to mix glycerin and powered rosin for grip on bronc saddles and bareback riggins. Great grip. Glycerin in the hair and rosin in the bag, easy.
Great content!! Appreciate all you work here. I dont ever watch baseball but have watched nearly all of your videos
wasn't the machine testing for tackiness Bauer's idea who they decided to just shove to the side? crazy!
Bauer's like all the conspiracy theorists. The powers that be label him crazy and ban him from baseball...even though he's been right about everything, all along.
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@@AndreIguodalaFan55 🤓 "uhh, excuse me, did you really mean to say 'all'??"
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1:51 the opposite of this happened to me a couple of times when using to much resin while playing handball. It just rips 1 or 2 layers of skin from your finger.
“…this was disgusting” made me die
The fact that this keeps happening and the MLB has not realized why it's happening is crazy to me.
Did you not even watch the video? MLB knows what's going on.
The MLB have to have it in baseball, this actually makes baseball interesting to watch. 😆 🤣 😂
@@RoughNek72 cheating pitchers makes the sport so much worse to watch because then it's just a 0-0 pitchers duel all day
fixed like every other sport except hockey and football (soccer)
@@RoughNek72Boy I love when a game with little action has 0 action at all, what a great take
This one man is the only reason i am kept up with baseball😂
Love the content keep it up 👍
I think this substance had 2 ingredients to work. One is kept in the pitcher's hand and the other in his ear / hat / glove. That way umpires don't feel anything whilst inspecting, but once the pitcher put his hand with the key ingredient the substance reacts and finally works to provide more grip
I love your videos so much. Consider covering more baseball history I think you would be great at that.
Amazing as always. Keep it up!
I can’t watch baseball anymore but love watching jombo because they are short funny and entertaining. I got to the end of the video before I realized this was a longer video. Loved it, felt like I actually was involved in the conversation
Awsome video keep up the awsome work
love your content,thanks for getting me into baseball
I was at the game when Scherzer was ejected. He got so much attitude from the crowd from cheating even though he didn’t it was sad to see
Baseball is pretty stupid. There's very strong evidence to suggest the 'steroid era' was actually just juiced baseballs and had nothing to do with steroid use. Yet everyone still says Bonds was a cheater despite being one of the greatest batters of all time.
@@CharlesFreck I think he’s the goat tbh straight up
@@CharlesFreck Barry Bonds is both a cheater and an all time great hitter. He was a hall of fame talent before steroids, than roided up and hit 270 homeruns starting from his age 35 season where his power should have declined. It's hard to say Bonds didn't roid up when he gained 50 pounds, his head swelled up and his shoe size grew 3 sizes.
Lol he straight up cheated. He washed his hands and changed his glove, figured the umps wouldn't check him again after that so he laid on the sticky stuff heavy, then got checked again and went ballistic to try and save face. Dude cheats just like the rest of them.
@@1Learn2Swim3 brother did you not watch the video or any of the news 😂😂😂 he did exactly what they asked him to do and applied rosin inside the dugout
I used to play softball and in 81 and 82 they used a ball known as T4000....everyone on the team could hit that ball out of 300 foot park....after it killed 3 people it was banned...i still have one on the dresser...the ball had same thing in center that golf ball does
Domingo German said he will “try” to use less rosin next outing.
If the balls in Japan and Korea have solved this problem already, why doesn't MLB just buy the balls from Japan and Korea?
This is the biggest assertion (and seeming solution) that goes unaddressed!
Because they can't use non American balls in the sport that's labeled as "America's pastime." It's PR stuff. The amount of dumbasses who would actually take offense at a Japanese ball being used in an MLB game is way too high.
A) Pride. They aren’t American made and baseball is supposed to Americas Pastime, buying from foreign countries would cause a lot of the MLB audience to flip.
B) Money. The whole reason they’re keeping this in house is that it’s cheaper that way.
@@Wolverine8721
The balls are already bought form another country... they are made in Costa Rica.
Uh, no it's not actually cheaper to spend what is likely millions of dollars already to try & find a solution to something that has already been fixed elsewhere.
Because people are making big money selling them and don't want to lose easy money. I mean shit look at the mud family lol they haven't had to work in generations
I am so appreciative of your story telling and overall production and knowledge of the game! You’re the best baseball RUclipsr by far! Thank you so much from me and everyone else that watches your videos!
No he’s not
@@codybats okay Cody. Thank you for your input today
Jomboy better
I respect people who know how to defend their rights, to prove, despite the fact that they are a coach or a senior on assignment. Athletes deserve respect
Keep it up I love this channel
I think the key to this is going to be better understanding of fluid dynamics around the baseball. To this end, I'm thinking a pre-tacked ball could work IF the ball was not tacked all that much (enough to ensure a solid grip) AND if the ball was able to cause a lesser effect through spin, such as by slightly lowering the seams. Of course, you also need to let pitchers actually get used to the stuff- first of all so the stats are accurate (think of it this way: If the brakes in your car were suddenly a little less sensitive, how smoothly would you be braking the first time you drove it?) and second of all so we don't get injuries left and right immediately after introduction.
Without being an expert or technician, I wonder if just roughing up the leather to make the ball less smooth would do the trick. A rougher surface is easier to grip which means less or ideally no sticky substance needs to be used.
It's been the same ump squad that threw every player out for "foreign substances" this year. I'm convinced both Max and German were simply using rosin. Look at German's spin rates, they never went up during the two games brought up in this video...Which really doesn't make sense if he was cheating. That's the reason you use the "sticky stuff"
IDK why but i find myself believing Scherzer, maybe im being fooled, but he seems to be targeted cause he is a bit of a spaz.
@@DeLaCruz_160 Pedro Martinez has a video about it as well that's maybe a year older.
@@paulerxx true thanks. i only mentioned Cone since that video was specifically based on the reasons that Max gave about him cleaning with alcohol and it made it even sticker lol
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I mean, I licked my fingers on my throwing hand and wipe them off before every pitch while playing 2B all through high school. Still do it while playing 16" softball. It always felt like the leather on the ball reacted much grippier than without doing that. Especially if I got infield dirt and/or dust on my hands.
I think if they standardize something, that would be the way to go. But who knows.
The rule here is as long as you make a significant enough attempt to dry/wipe them off it’s legal, it gives a small extra boost in control and frankly I doubt it increases any statistic, just makes it easier
Watching the umpire (who i will not mention by name) caress Madbums hand while staring longingly at him will always make me laugh out loud.
Amazing video. So informative and entertaining.
r u among us?
This channel rocks. Idk shit about baseball, but I finish every one of your videos and they are so fascinating.
“More mud on their balls” I’m dying 💀
Keep up the good work😊
10:38 more mud on there balls
r u among us?????
“This was disgusting!” That made me crack up
I took a drink every time you said 💯 and I'm hammered out of my mind so thunks
The Trash Panda no-hitter reminds me of the White Sox vs. Detroit game where the only runs were scored due to wild pitches. The last one being in extra innings and directly into the umpires face.. 😶😅
Best gd team name I’ve ever seen
@@NightRogue77only the angels
So the problem is already solved. Sign a contract with Mizuno.
I remember seeing all the Japanese pitchers in the WBC complaining about how hard it was to get a grip on the ball. Makes their dominance even more incredible. Must be super hard to come over to the MLB as a pitcher.
#4 on trending nice!
i wanted to make sure, and it says that this rosin stuff contains pine resin
when powdered resin gets into contact with alcohol, it becomes super sticky.. and ya cant get it off . it just melts into your hand .
just throwing it out there, never played baseball, resin is used in printmaking, im a printmaker
😂..I watched this with my teenaged sons and couldn’t stop laughing.😅 Too funny! Keep it up.
Even if MLB comes up with a machine test to asses stickiness, how are the pitchers supposed to know how to achieve that ideal stickiness?
Each team gets one, and the pitchers have to test their balls before the game. Run over the limit and you need to try again do it during a game you're ejected. The pitchers will probably have it highly calibrated after having a spring training with the machines.
The ump staring down Bumgarner always makes me laugh.
i like how you say "pithcers losing their mind" in the beginning but really %95 of it is Max Sherzer clips lol
The Scherzer one pissed me off the most
the thing about foreign substances is that they are as old as the game, whether it be the spitballers of the 30s or the use of spider tack. what I think is the problem nowadays is that it is not a few isolated people using them, it is a large percentage of pitchers. I think it all stems from the MLB's desire to be less boring and engage younger people, but they aren't going about it the right way
If they were smart, they'd let the guys get back on roids so we can get MacGuire slamming home runs all day again.
@@ElfRightsActivist it would solve the problem with less people watching too!
This was super interesting. I did not know this was an issue in the MLB.
I wonder if the whole crackdown on sticky substances is just one big elaborate troll of Max Scherzer
Anyone who got sticky stuff on their hands knows how hard it is to just wash off. Looks like these umpires have never gotten something sticky on their hands.
I don't get the outrage. First they encourage more home runs in the steroid era, then suddenly that's bad. Then now when pitchers are successful, that's bad. Shouldn't we want the best performances for all talent, help or not? Sheesh!
Homie at 1:12 needs to stop rubbing Spider Tack in his eyes. He's turning into one.
Wonder if it’s a 2-part compound, where neither the Rosen bag (sp?) nor the hair are sticky, but fast acting and fast de-activation together ? ?
You know it’s a good day when BDE uploades
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Role model Mad Max Scherzer is showing kids that cheating is lucrative to the tune of $43.33 M per season (he and Verlander are the two highest paid MLB players)!
You know what is funny about his cheating, Someone proved that with just the rosin bag and some sweat, He made something on his hand that was sticky as hell. The funny thing is his own sweat and the bag just literally sitting on the mound is enough to make it. He literally got ejected from substances that the MLB allows, Even the year before baseball players were speaking about how confusing the rules are when one of the sticker substances came from legal source that you play with anyway.
This is the most baseball i ever watched and i even been to a game as a kid .
The more i watch these videos the more baseball seems like a fever dream
Bro is the best baseball RUclipsr ever
Agreed
so good he doesn’t exist
During the world series Framber Valdez was using his sweat and mixing it in with the rosin to create a sticky substance and then he would blatantly wipe it off on his pants as he approached the umpire for the check. Everyone just kind of ignored it. But it is interesting how all these legendary pitchers from last year are struggling this year.
Don't have a clue what you are talking about (Anyway Framber is doing good this year, if that is what you are insinuating)
LOVE how you called out DOW for being an evil company, twice. Great video
This has to be the single best spokesperson for baseball i've ever seen
I've seen a lot of channels focusing around basketball, football, etc, and none of them even come close to this one around baseball.
i'm a fat, lazy american IT guy who will never care for anything to do with sports but with the sheer insanity that this channel presents in terms of the players, rules, etc, by gods witness you got yourself a baseball fan now
Watching this happen is like a car crash. I can't look away from the RUclips videos explaining how the league is failing itself, but I can't bring myself to watch a game because it's just awful.
Edit: 8:30 thank you. Despite Cone’s experiment actually being laughable, I’m glad someone finally referenced this. I mean fans can’t now be mad that the guy with the power to call things arbitrarily balls and strikes based invisible lines can now deem something at his discretion “too sticky”. Cone’s experiment was dumb bc if you don’t FULLY wash them, it can make it worse. You rid of everything but the stickiest stuff which is last to go. Basically the % of sticky sig increases. I work with rosin regularly - in a jam use acetone if you must. Soap & water softens tissue far too much in sure they don’t allow it bc pitchers and blistering. Literally there’s no good answer here.
7:35 ppl are still outraged over this lol it’s as black and white as it gets. Anything excessive on the glove isn’t allowed. How much more clear can the guideline be? It literally says rosin - even if it’s rosin. It doesn’t matter if it’s excessive Jesus lol he never denied it was on his glove and they even went against tossing him initially. Literally just told him it’s too sticky. Does it again lol like what do you expect
As a pitcher in high school and early college. I wish i stuck with it. Knowing they used laced balls changes everything this is insane lol
A lot of this stuff shows how old an unwilling to modernize this league is. Can you imagine if if NHL goalies had a sticky substance in the glove that would kinda be allowed but not really ? Or if the pucks in every arena were a little bit different ? Crazy stuff.
They could possibly just solve those problem with a textured leather
MLB is just fighting a losing battle here; if you let all this sticky stuff fly you piss off the hitter if you get rid of all the sticky stuff you piss off the pitchers. In my opinion if MLB wants maximum action you have to do the later. Yeah it’s going to upset the pitchers but at the same time it will make the game more exciting to watch, because no honest fan will say the prefer a pitchers dual to a slugfest.
If that's the case, then just put the ball on a fucking tee and get rid of the pretense already
@@tmtmtlsml Exactly. Some of us watch the game for more than fucking 450ft dingers.
You don't just piss off the pitchers by removing all sticky substances. Your going to piss off the batters too. Because now the pitchers have less control and the batters are more likely to get hit. Which is pretty much the entire argument for sticky substances in the first place. Trying to change the ball makes sense to me. If it's so slippery you have to add mud to it to try and make it less slippery perhaps they should just come from the factory less slippery. I don't think it even has to be a sticky ball tbh. Just make it so it isn't so damn slippery.
@@3xceIIent No, they have the same amount of control, not less. Control over where the ball goes is a matter of consistency, not grip. A lack of control stems from either a lack of practice, or the introduction of different factors... factors like, say, a substance that makes your hands stickier. A high school caliber pitcher can reliably not hit the batter. If these losers can't even manage that, they don't belong in the major leagues.
LOL not the ears bruh 😂😂
When he said put more mud on the balls 😂
It had me dead❤
I mean can it be the that the catcher is doing it and not the pitcher?
I don't even watch baseball, but your videos are so good and I learn a decent amount from them!
How could you watch it? Baseball doesn't exist.
Oh shit after reading the first comment, I am now 💯 unclear where to heap my praise
Lol same, it's definitely a sport for the radio era since it's so slow paced, but these videos are great
We use stuff like resin in my sport handball and if you use too much it’s not uncommon that you tear the skin off you fingers. The stuffs great though