Why You're Allowed To Cheat In Baseball
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Why do you put so much production effort into such dribble? I seriously couldn’t make it past the first three minutes. Feels like a continuing simp for Altuve, or the UN, or the WHO, or China, than baseball.
This isn’t baseball; this is politics. It’s an attack on a beloved American sport by someone who has seemingly never watch a game, and some who probably hates the society.
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MLB needs to pay this man to do documentaries for the MLB network. The best baseball channel on RUclips.
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Secret Base and Jomboy are pretty damn good as well but I agree this dude should be paid way more for his work
agreed , the fact this man only has 400k subs is beyond me
I don't even watch baseball, but this dude is entertaining af
@@JK-gm6kk that part
My grandfather was a ball boy for the cubs from 1956-1965 and he said that every person on the field was cheating . Naturally this lead to his saying. If you ain’t cheatin, you ain’t tryin.
your grandfather invented that? lmao
@@dustyowl99 no that’s just how he came across it
Grandpa was a ball boy for 10 years for the same club? Was he forced to retire because he was becoming a ball-teen? I hope that when I’m a grandfather, that my most memorable story to share with grandkids isnt that all MLB players in the 50s cheated, but something interesting.
@@anthonylombardo1261 what the fuck are you even talking about? it's an interesting story, and they never said it was the grandfather's "most memorable story", they just told the story
@@anthonylombardo1261 why did you feel the need to say this
I never heard that Albert Belle bat story before. I've been laughing for about five minutes straight at the thought of a baseball player falling through the ceiling of the umpire's room. 🤣 Thanks, I needed that.
especially when you grew up watching him play and it makes complete sense. Grimsley was a clown.
Grimsley was also caught juicin
Also a Cleveland pitcher was one of the last spitball hitters
That’s a real teammate
I’ve been saying this the whole time. EVERYBODY STEALS SIGNS. The Astros just happen to be the ones that got caught.
They got snitched on by that rat Fiers.
they didn’t just steal signs they are using tech
the problem wasn't really with the sign stealing itself rather the use of cameras and technology to make it automated as it was
@@clickbait3753 many other teams have done very similar things. Using cameras to steal signs wasn’t a new thing when the Astros did it.
Sign stealing without technology isn't cheating at all. It's important to draw that distinction. If you're on second and you can crack the catcher's code, that's just being an observant baseball player.
I agree. The same with a pitcher tipping his pitches and the opposing team catching it.
Yea but it becomes cheating when you already stole the signs and decoded them without a man on 2nd yet from using the replay room like Yankees and Red Sox did. I'm not sure if you were referring to them two or just talking Baseball in general.
Sign stealing shouldn't be against rules. It's pathetic. You talk in code and they broke the code.
@@michaelstanton8363 It's not. Using a device to steal signs is, which I agree with, but I'm totally fine with sign stealing on the field.
You have to use different codes each inning at least.
On one side you’ve got pitchers who flip out if they think someone’s stealing signs
On the other is Zack Greinke who will tell you himself what pitch is coming
And batters still can’t hit it anyway. What an absolute legend.
Shakes on a couple of signs, no need to make a mound visit, I'm gonna throw a curve ball. 😂😂
Greinke is honestly owed about 3-4 Cy Young awards!
Mariano Rivera only really threw 1 pitch and I think it kinda worked out for him. 😆
Greinke was in a league of his own man. WHen that guy was on, he was fire, but when he was off, he sure as $#!% was off.
The bit about crawling through the ceiling to replace a bat with the other guy's name on it had me belly laughing, in actual tears LOL.
There’s a HUGE legal and moral difference between breaking someone’s password to gain access to their computer and picking up a piece of paper that someone else dropped.
Exactly. Dropping your notes so the opponents can get it is simply carelessness on your part. No cheating there.
@@Inquisitor6321 Couldn't you argue that choosing a password that someone could guess is also careless.
@trumptontally3383 But what if that piece of paper also had their password on it?
The guy "broke" into the computer by guessing the password.
That's just carelessness on the owner's part.
@@robrick9361 What does that have to do with baseball?
@@Inquisitor6321If dropping a piece of paper with personal information is careless, then choosing a password which someone could guess is also careless.
It's like using 12345 as a door code.
The thing you forgot in the comparison is that Kiermaier was operating under the "Finders Keepers" ruleset.
Drastic difference between picking up a piece of paper and a grand conspiracy to cheat and hack a team.
exactly he wasnt cheating
Except that isn't a thing. He literally took something that didn't belong to him. Whether you wanna call it cheating or not, it was certainly theft.
@@monkberrymoon3999 so you're an honest person that never picks up money on the ground?
@@rookincharge2780 Whyre you teying to turn the question on em? Theft is theft. Theres no getting around that no matter how much you try.
The commissioner doesn’t care as long as it’s boosting sales. Cheating is ingrained in the sport, there’s no escaping it, but we continue to watch baseball everyday
I agree
You continue to watch it everyday there’s no we. Just because someone watches this video doesn’t mean they watch it too. Speak for yourself.
@@CowboyUp1371 dude what are you talking about
@@CowboyUp1371 lmao shut up dude
It makes it even more interesting.
I swear this is the best baseball channel on RUclips. Dude should have his own Netflix series at this point.
Videos recently are actual fire. Minus the sponsored ads, which TBF are unavoidable nowadays, best baseball content on RUclips. Jomboy is just for the memes, and is a master of lip reading, meanwhile BDE goes all out on research, scoring his content with actual fire songs (reminds me of Jxmy High-Rollers trap sax), and formatting his content into easy-to-consume media that’s never hard on the eyes. My favorite informative baseball RUclipsr and one of my favorite channels. Keep it up BDE!
If you like good content then you shouldn't care a channel inserts an ad. Just get sponsorblock. The creator gets money to make more content, you see no ads. Easy peasy.
@@RitzStarr not what I said bud. There are RUclips sponsored ads which you can avoid via RUclips premium and ads the creator inserts in their content that are unskippable. I like baseball doesn’t exist. I have no issue with the ads, as he is so good at content making
@@DickBumgus Lmao RUclips vanced automatically skips sponsored ads. Have you been living under a rock my guy?
@@itzYonko nope I know of some RUclipsrs that do that. Maybe you have been however
adblock works amazingly. nor is it hard to afford 15$ a month on youtube premium. worth never seeing ads ever again
I don't even watch baseball (because it obviously doesn't exist), but this channel makes aspects and history of the game so entertaining!
Its a statistician's wet dream!
Baseball is awesome. Do you live in a city with a team? If so that’s unfortunate
I dont watch it either. I listen to it on the radio. Dont know why, but its like that sport was made to be called on the radio. Dan Dickerson and Jim Price.
@@DJMotorMouth713baseball is boring af to watch. But fun to play
What annoys me is how rules are enforced on a situational basis.
MLB only does something about it when they have to, aka when there's a public scandal. They don't care about what goes on in the dark.
What rules do you mean?
Thats how life works out with most rules. I agree it can be very annoying.
Bruh. That’s ALL rules. Rules are for the poors and non-privileged. 💁♂️
@@milesjobrani9394Like the Astros cheating
Fantastic channel. I am actively trying to get more into baseball since i've found it to be a wonderful sport a couple years back. Congratulations on all the great videos, truly.
1:36 not even trying to be subtle just straight up tackled him from the side lines lmaooo 💀💀
I'm surprised that you didn't mention possibly the greatest sign-stealing moment, the 1951 "Shot Heard 'Round The World" hit by the NY Giants Bobby Thomson against Ralph Brancs' Brooklyn Dodgers. Although beloved by all Giants fans, the Giants were stealing signs during their remarkable comeback in 1951 and through the three-game playoff with the Dodgers.
As always, a great video.
I think sign stealing, as long as it is done within the context of the game and without artificial assistance, is not cheating. It's a skill
I was also expecting him to point that out. This video felt like he was making excuses for the Astros
@Uncle Bullhorn
Your comment is as half-baked as this video is. Try getting the full story before typing. Of course BDE shouldn't putout half-baked videos either.
@@Mr.Dobalina113 the '51 Giants sign stealing used technology. It was 100% cheating.
@@Mr.Dobalina113 “within the context of the game” the 51 Giants were using a telescope fixed on the catcher to decode and relay signs.
This is why I always ask people does MLB truly care about cheating. This stuff is trickled all the way down to little league and they aren't going to strip anyone of championships.
The MLB cares about cheating if it makes the scores go down. That's all
Sign-stealing is often ineffective for three reasons- 1. It can be a mindf*ck waiting to hear a sound or see a signal that may never come
2. A hitter at that level plays best at a subconscious, reactionary level.
3. It’s easy to get in your own head when you start missing pitches that you know are coming.
I’m not even a baseball fan but from the Information, Stories, Video Clips, Commentary, and Overall presentation; this channel is God tier
I can see why🤣
Personally I believe sign stealing is a part of the game and players do it all the time if you think their stealing your signs make them harder to decode it becomes an issue when you use outside help, electronic aides or further tools outside of the players and coaches on the field
No team in history has cheated like the 2017 Astros. The increase in OPS by the Houston Astros from 2016 to 2017: 1B Gurriel .677 -> .817; 2B Altuve .928 -> .957; SS Correa .811 -> .941; 3B Bregman .791 -> .827; LF Gonzalez .694 -> .907; CF Springer .815 -> .889; RF Reddick .749 -> .847; C McCann .748 -> .759. Utility Marisnick .588 - .815 That's an entire lineup with improved OPS from 2016 to 2017. Five of the nine players set career highs that they never topped. It's insane. Nothing like that has ever happened in MLB history. Cheating at such a high level that it isn't even baseball any more. It's some other game.
By contrast, of the regular players on the 2018 Red Sox team, only three improved their OPS over the prior year - Bogaerts, Benintendi and Betts - and only Betts had the best year of his career. Six of the nine regular players actually decreased.
The worst was in the World Series. Just one example, Kershaw threw 51 off speed pitches and the Astros swung and missed at ZERO of them. Someone ran a computer sim, and the odds of that happening were 128,061 to 1. So it would take 4266 years and it MIGHT happen again. Just absurd - why even play the game.
Hello fellow Vols fan
Its always a great day when BDE uploads
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BDP u mean ;)
Agreed. Love this freakin channel 😎
That cyclist latching onto the car and taking off like a rocket is too funny
Word. That made me literally laugh out loud. The balls on that mfs lol
One of my favorite cheating stories is in 1981 when Seattle Mariners manager Maury Wells asked the groundskeeper to illegally add an extra foot to the batter box. His reasoning that one of his hitters would have extra room to take his stride. Maury died recently on September 19th, just a few weeks short of seeing his old team make it to the playoffs.
I had know idea that was a way you could cheat. Would it make that much of a difference?
I love the fact that you described that the Astros were the only ones punished for something that had been done by multiple teams around the league it is crazy to me that people still only view the Astros in that way when the rest of the league was doing the same thing
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They were the only ones who were called out on it.
@@Inquisitor6321facts they were the scapegoat
@@voodoozombie1837 what evidence is there?
The mlb cheating scandals are getting so bad that the mlb just gave up lol
Ya after the Astros and the arsenal of different ways they cheated MLB was like "Jesus Christ! You know what fucc it thats your own legacy youre ruining not ours.
Want your kids to know you as a cheater go ahead"
@@one7deep7savage7 it isn’t just an Astros problem man. There have been a lot of different ways that people have been cheating. The Astros were wrong and we should have been punished harder, but we weren’t the only problem if that makes sense
@@SchmidtyProductions27
Ya but that was the worst id ever seen in my lifetime and im 35.
BUT LISTEN PLZ u said We so i assume u are a fan and u gotta not take comments like mine personal cuz its not the fans u guys are fine. Its the players. This happens to me alot with Patriots fans who literally are in denial about their team cheating.
@@SchmidtyProductions27 if anything it pissed me off more cuz loyal fans like yourself dont deserve any of that shit and shouldnt have to hear about your favorite team being called cheaters
@@one7deep7savage7 that’s fair. I’m always gonna love the team but I was extremely disappointed in them when I learned what they did, but I have forgiven them for it. I didn’t say what I said to vindicate the Astros, I’m just saying that the issue of cheating is a league wide issue and more needs to be done to keep teams from cheating
I love this channel.
The Bill Veeck promotion with the mirrors made me laugh out loud.
I think Kiermaier finding plans that fell out of the catchers wrist band is far from hacking into a database of another team.
I don't even think what Kiermaier did is cheating. They dropped a very important piece of information on the field that they didn't want anyone else to see and then just left it there and walked away. Sorry but that's on them for having horrible OPSEC
Thank you for all the great work you do. One of the best baseball channels of all time and should be recognized as such
Trash, mostly produced and narrated with non factual information. Welcome to 2022.
@@MrCincykid13
Thank you! Anyone impressed with this video doesn't know much abt baseball. BDE threw together a bunch of unrelated points but left out a similar number of relevant ones, added a few mistakes along the way, then made no attempt to reach a coherent conclusion. Lazy, half-baked effort. But most people don't know enough baseball to recognize how lousy this video really is.
@@jimwerther Can you explain exactly what is wrong with this video?
“If he does that again tomorrow, I am going to climb up there into his little god damn house and personally kick his ass.” Mascot drama is the best.
I’m so glad I found you channel my guy
Great video! I think Ryan Spaeder (the guy with the apology tweet) tweeted a few months ago that inferred he was forced to apologize and that what he said was true.
He was (allegedly) getting threats so he put out a half assed apology. Than after the whole Yankees letter thing he took an I told you so victory lap
Those ball scuffing stories are some of the funniest I've heard 😂
Not a huge baseball fan but I can't get enough of "...and the benches cleared." Keep up the great work!
love that you just slap in the david ortiz destroying the paper towel dispenser clip whenever you talk about the red sox 😅
The players would literally see there coach vibrate and know what pitch was coming. 🤣🤣🤣 this had me in stitches
1:38 the dude just straight up tackled the player. Major respect
In my opinion kiermaier didn’t cheat. He didn’t force it to fall out. The catcher should’ve noticed it and said something first. Kiermaier didn’t make someone look for him
100%... in substance seems no different than legal sign stealing when on 2nd. He shouldn't have been such a weasel about it though.
Agree. Not cheating. This comes with the territory of writing things down and losing your trade secrets. The Jays were in the wrong here.
100% agreed
Not cheating, but a dishonest and dirty way to play the game.
@@pupfriend well, if I found the other team's play card I would be hush hush about it too. there is absolutely no cheating there.
Great documentary. Thanks for all the research 👍🏻
Always amazed on where do you find those incredible stories about the game ! Great content like always 🙌🙌
I worked for an MLB team for three years and found that another MLB teams bullpen was using a certain substance on their pants that blended in to try and give them an edge. They gave us the "don't say a word" look and we kept our mouth shut. They still ended up losing the game
7:01 1987 twins won the world series. home record: 56-25. away record: 29-52.
Corking the bat being detrimental is a misconception. It does not hit the ball further but it does have less weight in the barrel. It can improve contact and give a hitter more time to judge a pitch; the bat can be more easily swung and stopped. It's the same idea as swinging an overall shorter bat like Barry Bonds did.
I have never swung a corked bat. I'm guessing you would need to swing one often to get used to it.
I literally had no interest in baseball until I found this channel now I always look forward to when we get a new upload
Beware: Anyone impressed with this video doesn't know much abt baseball. BDE threw together a bunch of unrelated points but left out a similar number of relevant ones, added a few mistakes along the way, then made no attempt to reach a coherent conclusion. Lazy, half-baked effort. But most people don't know enough baseball to recognize how lousy this video really is.
Your videos are excellent my man. You deserve a million subs, hope you hit the halfway mark soon, BDE!
Growing up in Texas, baseball was always a distant 3rd to me behind football and basketball. But I been living in Queens, NYC past 5 years. Football and basketball up here suck lol, and I don't know how I started watching your channel but I'm actually starting to get into baseball a bit! Too bad the Mets already got knocked out the playoffs! But I heard they suck so getting to the playoffs is a achievement!
1:37 Omg wtf was that 🤣
Dude just straight up came diving in for the tackle! Lmao
As bad as the Astros cheating scandal was, I thought the MLB players and teams who verbally condemned them were absolute clowns. Every team in the game cheats, and those who pretend otherwise are either naive or hypocritical.
Didn't you watch this video? Literally nobody has ever cheated except the Astros.
MLB decided to stupidly put instant replay in baseball. THEN they put those cameras and TV outputs in the dugout. THEN they got upset that smart players peeked and noticed pitchers tipping their fastball & banged a lid to alert a batter who had to hope they were correct & still hit the ball. MLB creates its own headaches Unbelievable
@@dannyhightower911 did YOU watch the video ?
@@dant3_rodant395 I was making a joke lol
@@dannyhightower911 lol
You should check out the cheating that used to happen in NASCAR. All sorts of crazy stories especially from the early days of the sport.
I like how NASCAR handles cheating scandals. They explicitly state that they expect every team to push the envelope and no punishment will be dolled out if ‘said’ cheating is uncovered but no rules were already established before ‘said’ cheating.
@@lordchaa1598 Oftentimes its settled by drivers punching the shit out of each other.
the best one is when they removed the gas tank of a car to inspect it said that it was illegal .the crew chief said that's ridiculous and drove the car all the way back to the pits with no gas tank at all !!!😅
@@erikbergstrom258 Exactly! Smokey Yunick was crazy!
@@erikbergstrom258 30 feet of gas line snaking around the car?
15:00 Thanks Mark Rober, lol.
i dont even watch baseball but i love this channel for its detail and video format..
Thank you BDE for pointing out other teams cheating besides the Astros
Exactly. I don’t agree with the cheating at all, but they’ve become the scapegoats of the league in terms of cheating. So many other teams did this before and even after. It’s a shame
Your storytelling is amazing!
I'd say there is a massive difference between picking up a sheet of paper thats dropped right in front of you and getting into someones personal account
picking up a card that the other team dropped is barely social engineering, hacking an opposing team's network is hard core felonious behavior
Quick note, the spitball increased the weight of a ball up to 2 times so that it wouldn't fly as far or fast and softened the ball so that it wouldn't rebound as hard. The reason why it turned black was because of all the tobacco and wood chew they used, but it made the ball hard to see. You can still see the ball, but because it blends in, it makes the ball look smaller and you can't see the ball spin. There were reports of so much spit on the ball that it would sprinkle salivia as it was spinning during the pitch
Spit was increasing the weight of the baseball by 2??. Are you sure you wrote that correct? Because that sounds kind of crazy
@@GeneralBuckNaked UP TO 2 times. The volume of a baseball allows for a LOT of mass to be added and players would go to the limit. Especially older balls, which were not packed as consistently as today. Players use to hide lubricants in their groin and knee caps to apply mass to the ball. One player even used Vaseline in the 60s. Mind you, this is after it was made illegal
@@Tevatron044 nah you're tripping.
Old hide balls, the leather would have swollen and ripped at the seams before you ever added that much water weight.
Later balls and newer balls had processed leather/outers that would never allow for that fast of water incursion. You'd have to soak them underwater for half a day to start getting anywhere.
I don't think you understand how tightly the outer cores of baseballs are wound.
@@ObservationofLimits spitballing hasn't been legal since the 30s when you account for the grandfathered pitchers. Reports of balls being so wet that they spun off spit as they were thrown and created a misty burst on contact happened consistently. Blowing the cover off balls was also a lot more common than now. This is how it was. A baseball has enough empty volume for an increase of weight to 2.3x, including absorption in wool. This level of weight increase was probably not common, but possible. Remember that these balls were made over 100 years ago. There's a big difference from those balls to the ones we have now
You guys sure know a lot about balls.
And spit.
When does the Judge is likely on HGH video coming out? I only ask because after several months of no testing, 1 rando a year if selected and new agreement to not be present when getting a test sample... does MLB want players to juice?
Oh..it depends.
It may not have a giant impact..
But let's say your at bat is in the bottom of the 9th in a tied game..and it's the ALCS...and it's game 7.. And you know *for* *certain* what pitch is coming.... That's a pretty big advantage, and one that can have a pretty big impact on a game..
Supposedly the Giants, when in New York, stationed an observer out in dead center in the Polo Grounds. Given the incredibly long distance (483' to dead center, I think Mays is the only Giants to clear it, supposedly when the Yankees were in the Polo Grounds 1920-1922, Ruth did it a couple of times), it would have been hard to spot. The team rigged a circuit that operated a buzzer in the Giants dugout, with a series of "buzzes" just loud enough for the batting coach to hear and signal the first-base coach, who in turn would pass it on to the batter. Allegedly this setup was installed on July 19, 1951, during a rainout. And the Giants record did improve remarkably after, as they were able to catch the Dodgers and force that famous 3-game playoff that culminated in Bobby Thomson's memorable home run.
Just one problem, though: If indeed the Giants were stealing the signs of the opposing battery; it wasn't reflected in the offense, as the run production and OPS before and after July 20th, 1951, was about the same. The difference that put the Giants on their torrid pace in the latter part of that '51 season was their PITCHING, which made a huge turnaround.
All this cheating going on, yet the MLB drops it all in the Astros’ lap. Answers a lot of questions I’ve had since the scandal broke in 17.
Most unlikable team in the league at the time. Somebody had to be the scapegoat
They were simply the scapegoat for the larger market teams like the dodgers and Yankees aka MLBs precious little princesses. It's also why the players never got disciplined, because then MLB would have to investigate every franchise and it would come out that over half the league was cheating at the time.
People who continuously bash the Astros for being cheaters are by far the most delusional baseball fans on the planet.
@@Windrammer How were they the most unlikable team? They were fun to watch back in 2017 and I actually rooted for them in the WS that year, they hadn't won anything in a long time. Things have changed now though.
@@Windrammer They were certainly one of the more likeable teams at the time. Altuve was the baby face of MLB as the "Anyone can be great" type and after being horrible for years. Everyone was rooting for them to win. I do think its crappy they are the ONLY team that gets a bad rap for cheating but I'm just hoping they slowly regain that favor.
That's what happens when you level the playing field with LA, NY, and BOS. Only big market teams can cheat while buying out all the big free agents in the league. Their media will crush you with bad publicity if you beat them at their own game.
To be fair, The Jays lost their plan off carelessness and Kiermaier just picked it up when it was dropped. Should he have returned it, probably, but I don't think this is that bad.
It's bad, but it happened. He shouldn't have taken it, but he did. What's the point in giving it back after the organization already disseminated it?
@@hiddeninsorrow is it that bad? If you’re gonna carry that around in your pocket you’d think you would be a little more careful. It’s not like he broke into their lockers and stole it, he just got it off the ground.
@@thelyonking5812 The worst part was that everyone saw him do it and he clearly knew what he was doing but he still had the gall to do an interview and act all clueless. Like man everyone knows what you did, just own up to it. He'd deserve respect if he was honest, but he wasn't.
3:40 If the FBI came through my kitchen ceiling like that, they'd be getting a repair bill.
8:39 Lol at the wooded beardsman.
Always loved Bob Ueker's calls in the movie Major League. "KY ball hit up the middle."
When Beltran came to the Astros from the Yankee's he said that they were "behind the times" when it came to sign stealing
Can’t be, the Astros invented cheating and ruined the integrity of the sport
2:08 and now Kevin is ON the jays
We forgive him for that now fr he's been beautiful in centre field
3:59 why would the FBI even be checking on an MLB scout tho??
Look at all the home runs hit in the 2017 World Series. Both teams were definitely cheating in both stadiums.
reminder that a loser perpetuated a buzzer theory on Altuve's home run in the 2019 ALCS that happened to eliminate his crappy team (NY) that was completely unfounded
clownboy was his name I think
I have never watched baseball in my life and don't plan to, but enjoyed watching this from start to finish
So fun watching little girls teasing each other and then getting mad. so adorable.
I love this channel, all the videos are well made and informative
Anyone impressed with this video doesn't know much abt baseball. BDE threw together a bunch of unrelated points but left out a similar number of relevant ones, added a few mistakes along the way, then made no attempt to reach a coherent conclusion. Lazy, half-baked effort. But most people don't know enough baseball to recognize how lousy this video really is. But yeah, hia production has gotten quite good, so if you don't realize that the content is lousy and inaccurate you'd think it's hot stuff.
@@jimwerther What the fuck? Literally felt a shiver up my pussy as I read this
Yeah folks, Jim’s an expert. One day when he does his own investigative work he can explain how he came to his conclusion about this video. That is, after he gains thousands of followers on his own channel that doesn’t exist yet.
The difference between picking up something that someone left on the ground and logging into someone else's computer is massive, both practically and in the eyes of the law. I think it's pretty disingenuous to act otherwise.
Yes, one of the many problems with this mess of a video.
the intent is the same though. You make a decision to take something that doesn't belong to you because you think it might help your team win. Also the dude with the computer didn't steal the password he guessed it. Legally speaking if you know the username and password to an account then don't you legally have access to it? I guess not because he went in to prison but maybe he just had shit lawyers.
I think people should just be disgusted that our top baseball athletes and coaches don't want to win based off of performance and skill but rather getting one over on the other team. Instead of watching the best team win are we watching the most successful cheaters? Like imagine if that dude who didn't catch the pass in the stands stood up and was like "nah I didn't catch it I missed it." We don't care about integrity we just care about money and winning. If you can't look at an equally skilled opponent that beats you and say good game man we tried our hardest but you got us then you don't deserve to be in sports. All cheating does is disrespect the sport, the opponents, and the fans. And since it is baseball tradition to cheat a little it will never go away.
Baseball is so freaking weird to me sometimes. You can have a culture where if a batter or team piss you off as a pitcher of if your coach tells you, you are legally allowed to throw a projectile at a persons head with lethal force and it is not attempted murder or assault. At worst you get kicked out the game or suspended a few games. Guarantee you if you send the next pitcher to jail that intentionally throws at someones head that shit will stop real quick.
@@glazed6178 Picking something up off the ground once gives you several orders of magnitude less data than logging onto a computer for years. It isn't a repeated action. It does not require overcoming a security system. It does not come with the potential of stealing financial information, etc. Yes, they're similar actions, but they are literally, practically, and legally on such a different scale that one is a felony and the other isn't. Even if you think they're both theft, if one is like stealing $100 the other is like stealing $1,000,000.
If you don't like a player because you think that's unfair, go for it. I agree that it's bad sportsmanship, and I think it would have been reasonable for MLB to demand the return of the card or issue a suspension. They're both things done in the same gross spirit, but they're not at all equivalent actions.
such a good video . thank you. best baseball content ever.
The kevin keirmier one aged like milk
Nobody noticed the fence moving 15 feet when the opps went up to bat?
This was such a great video!! They're always cheating or finding new ways to gain the competitive advantage and it's been going on forever and will continue too!!
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6:52 that's just dastardly, I can respect that.
Yeah this was interesting. In cricket the biggest sin outside of hitting another player, is using an object to alter the state of the ball. It was probably widespread once, and may still happen now, just it has that stigma to it.
That's way less common than simply picking the seam. Obviously Australia got busted for that recently, so it happens, but you don't need anything but your hands to mess with the seam to achieve very similar results. You can't get busted for having hands.....
To be fair, Coppolella scandal was the best possible thing that could've happened for the Braves. It got us AA in the front office, and because of all the international signing restrictions, he really had to focus on finding his guys and making sure they developed correctly. Much less room for error than other teams who could sign freely.
@Bread And Circuses A blurse
Thanks for shining a light on how intrinsic cheating is to baseball. The Astros really got the raw end of it. Had they not won a world series, I wonder how that all would've played out
And they actually earned that World Series and basically trolled us with an ineffective cheating system for 4 months.
Their fans really have it rough too, might I add.
For real. The Astros became the scapegoat for MLB to eliminate sign stealing altogether. Literally every team has been doing it for 200 years but casual fans get to pin all their hatred on one team who barely even did anything compared to some other teams
@@alfowler113
It's because the Astros won. And when they won, they beat baseball's three biggest darlings: Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers. Had they not won, no one would have cared what they were doing. Which tells you that this is not about cheating in and of itself.
No one questions the 2009 Yankee title even though the guy carrying them was Aroid Rodriguez. I can go on (about the Yankees in particular), but you get the idea.
MLB had to address sign-stealing after Mike Fiers ratted his own former team out. (But even in doing so, acknowledged it was a "league-wide" issue which quickly became a lost piece of the narrative.) Rather than dealing with a "league-wide" scandal (a la steroids), the MLB decided to just let a 'non-legacy' franchise that only has roots going back to the early 60s and that even had to switch leagues as recently as 2013 take the fall.
It was a business move. Not a move based on any real principle regarding sign-stealing around the league as a whole. There was no justice in just ignoring all the leads that pointed to a whole host of other teams including the Yankees.
"Let this little upstart take the hit for this as opposed to all of baseball" had to be the thinking here.
@@manzac112
Has anyone actually produced any evidence of "trash can bangs" during the 2017 postseason? I can't find any. You figure it would be relatively easy to do. I've read sources close to the investigation that say they never thought to do it during the postseason because it would be way too obvious and that Manfred just "thinks" they "could have" or something to that effect.
Kind of convenient that no one wants to look further into it. It gives the Dodgers and Yankees an immediate excuse for losing that year just leaving the details murky right there even though you'd think this would all be pretty easy to verify.
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I laughed out loud at the dude's changing Belle's bat. Real Einstein there.
Kiermaier was clean, if he had ripped out the game plan on purpose then that’s fucked up. But since it simply fell out, he was legal to pick it up. You can say it was still fucked because he wasn’t honest enough to return it, remember this is a sport where if a team unintentionally reveals signs, you take them no questions asked.
next time you drop your wallet at the ATM, I assume the guy next to you who picks it up and walks away is going to be "legal."
Why are you allowed to cheat in the Tour De France? because it's tradition
Is the major difference between what the Astros did and (as laid out in this video) what the Jays, Cubs, Tigers, Phillies, and Brewers did really just down to binoculars instead of a camera? Because all of them remove the need for a runner on second base and they all can relay in real time on every pitch. The Astros chose an audible form of communication versus visual which doesn't seem to be the issue. Also if the Astros stopped banging the can after the White Sox game, which is about a week after the letter from MLB came out about cracking down, did they just go to the runner on second route? I've heard about clapping and whistling but I'm not sure that would be effective in a stadium packed with loud fans during the playoffs, seems it might work in a calmer regular season game.
I think it's fair to say that you do have more cheaters if you insist on not punishing any of the obvious cheaters...
So we should have started punishing players 125 years ago. Got it.
I'm a Giants fan, but I really like the Astros organization. They're so good at developing talent. They were singled out for something the rest of the league was guilty of simply because they were just so damn much better than everyone else. It's a team version of what they did to Bonds. The Astros are the only team that can stop the Dodgers in my view.
Respect 🤜💥🤛
Heck yeah. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
corking does help. redued weight means increase swing speed. go check out the batbros second corking video since you used footage of their first one
I don't watch baseball or any ball sports really but this was incredible. I love sports history
Yankees fans are still mad the other teams kicked their ass even though they get twice the payroll of everyone else. That's the most uneven advantage in all sports.
I miss White Sox Chris Sale bro 😂. Dude was an absolute UNIT
He's still a tool😂
Alber Bell, my man! I remember that. I loved that guy.
As a fan of all major sports besides soccer, there are examples of cheating in all of them.
But the MLB is like 650/1 ahead of them. It's crazy
The fact that mark rober helped the astros makes me laugh out loud 😂
He didnt. Mark didnt do his app video until 2019. The cheating happened in 2017 & 2018. I think Mark did his whole app thing because of the Astros to see if it could be done.
@@thedoctor7949 ohhh lol he’d just showed the video lol
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They keep on trying to say Altuve cheated but they still got to the world series the next year🤷🤡
I feel you missed a great opportunity to talk about when Troy Tulowitzki hit a home run off of the San Francisco Giants and then Coors field played I Saw the sign by Ace of Base, after the Giants accused them of stealing signs