Eh. Have to finish the vid first to decide. Edit: yes, I do (mostly). Even though he didn’t actively participate in the cheating, he probably should’ve said something. Other than that, he seems like a cool dude. I wish him the best.
The dumb thing is that the astros actually had a really good team and didn’t need to cheat at all. Their actions damaged the reputations of the whole brand and the commissioner’s statements on the situation damaged the reputation of baseball
The Yankees … the Red Sox… the A’s, the Cubs, just to name a few were also known for cheating by the way of stealing signs using Apple watches cameras taking PED’s … etc…. And none of those teams got punished or hated the way the Astros did so shut up already. The game was already tarnished.
Yes. But the Astros were not the only ones! 19 other teams were they also found doing the same thing. The reputation of baseball was damaged by all those teams. We just happened to have a rat 🐀 in our team and now he is getting what he deserves.
@@Nova_Nora5 this exactly, mlb threw the astros under the bus to take all the heat. But the long list of cheaters between '16 and '20 is unreal including Yankees cheating the same time they claim the Astros stole their chance. It wasnt about I have a good team and dont have to cheat, its about winning the title and doing whatever it takes KNOWING other teams are cheating to beat you.
Nice vague reference to something that only exist in your head. This is about the fraudulent dishonest Astros. Not the imaginary player that goes to another team.
Fun fact: in the 2021 regular season, Altuve's batting average was .278. He hit .278 in the first half of the season and .278 in the second half; .278 against lefties and .278 against righties.
And the than the MLB also find out the Yanks and Red Sox’s were also cheating… hey at least the Astros and the Red Sox were good enough to be able to win! The Yankees and Dodgers couldn’t win even with cheating 😂😅 instead Cash still says that the yanks mental health is mess up and they keep losing because the Astros stole signs on them 6 years ago 😂🤣🤣🤣 yall whiny babies are so funny!!! Hey Yanks! Call Better Help! ♥️ Houston is here for you, we can help you sweep 🧹 your stadium 🏟️😘
Y’know, none of the fan investigation work would have been necessary if MLB itself didn’t botch the investigation into the org. Many fans (and players) were pissed with the way it was handled, which just caused more animosity between all parties involved.
What does this mean? The Astros organization cooperated fully, maybe even to a fault, unlike (e.g.) the Red Sox who clammed up and simply blamed a rogue replay video guy
@@stephenreagin719 im pretty sure it's been reported the league knew about the Astros cheating DURING that 2017 season but did nothing about it. Sure nthe Astros can say that they cooperated fully, but idk about you I'm not giving out incriminating information to a cop if they don't know about it or if they have no solid proof on it, that's why the buzzers are as big of a topic as they are because it's a speculation.
@@stephenreagin719 right, I think he's implying BEFORE the scandal broke out. And he's not wrong, the MLB knew the Yanks/Red Sox/Dodgers/Brewers and many other teams were suspiciously involved in digital sign stealing or at least 'curious' video room activity, but just wanted it to go away, and it never did. This became a league wide problem, and once Fiers opened his rat mouth, they pinned it on the Stros. It was easier for them to have one 'renegade scapegoat,' rather than actually present it like the league wide issue it was.
Don’t forget that the players were represented by the MLBPA. They said the players would agree to “tell all” in return for immunity. Otherwise, they would stay silent. That’s why the players were not punished.
I love your videos from a non baseball fan because you dont act like people will know even the smallest details. I’m sure it’s a little annoying for diehard fans having to hear the minute details, but you’re pretty much the only reason I’m starting to watch baseball (have to give chart party some credit 😂)
Same, this is the kind of stuff thats actually getting me into baseball, unlike my family that just want me to get it without haveing to explain anything.
Chapman hung a slider middle high to this guy during an inning where the only pitch he was able to throw for a strike was the slider. His fastball location was nonexistent that entire inning. As a yankees fan, I 100% held Chapman responsible for that homerun since it happened
The only issue I have is the count was 2-1 usually you get a fastball from Chapman in that situation, altuve looked like he knew what was coming. No flinching I remember watching that live and telling my girl, wow it's like he knew what was coming... I'm a mets fan by the way
100% I never understood why people were surprised by the fact that, if you throw a meatball upstairs to a guy who's proving time and again to be one of the best high fastball hitters of his generation, it's gonna get crushed.
Manfred effectively did nothing in response to the Astros cheating, so it left everyone wanting blood from the franchise, and Altuve was one of the biggest faces of those teams for better or worse. That's why he gets bullied, guilty or not, because MLB is run by incompetents.
Exactly. When Manfred found out about the Astros sign-stealing scheme back in 2017, he purposely chose to protect the business of baseball at the expense of the integrity of the game. And since Manfred chose to cover it up and sweep it under the rug, that told other teams (including 2018 Boston Red Sox) that there was no real reason to worry about getting caught. So, Manfred not only botched the 2017 situation with the Astros (TWICE), his purposeful mistake also led to teams cheating in 2018 & 2019 right up until the whistleblower came forward after the conclusion of the 2019 season. The fact that Manfred still has his job should tell everybody that MLB values the business ($$$) of baseball over everything else, including the integrity of the game.
@@brianbunel7687 worst part is the Yankees just got a slap on the wrist and they tried to pay to have it covered up and they were doing it 2 years prior to the Astros
He does not say "No, I got a piece on"... He said in perfect spanish: "No, la camisa no". This means: "No, not the shirt". Remember that the 2017 team had a bit more than its fair share of latinos latinos: Altuve, Correa, Gurriel, González and Bregman's spanish is also quite good.
Of course they would try and lip read what he said in English because a Spanish lip reading would mean he wasn't wearing a cheating device and he just didn't want his shirt to be removed! No! La camisa no! Is exactly what he said.
This is such wild cope. The dude cheated. It is what it is, but i’m gobsmaked by these braindead takes saying Altuve was just magically not a part of a mass cheating culture that affected the whole team. Delusional ass thinking.
Now that I try to read his lips he actually seems to have said “la camisa no” (not the shirt). Doesn’t prove or disprove anything but I guess certain “analysts” and especially Yankees fans of course are very conclusive saying that he said “I got a piece on”. But well even if altuve would have been speaking Korean people would be trying to find some English words in there that’d prove there was a buzzer.
exacto, no dice i got a piece on, es obvio que dice la camisa no, pero bueno, es obvio que van a buscarle otro sentido, sobre todo cuando la gente que lo hace ni idea tiene de español
@@dffndjdjd Bregman speaks spanish and translates for the American players. Correa also got advanced training in English when he lived in Puerto Rico, because he knew he was going to be a pro baseball player in the US.
@@wyattsexton4132 lol bro everyone has absolutely hated Houston fans for nearly 5 years non stop. People do "fuck altuve" chants at minor league baseball games lmao
@@shelbynorth9518 The Astros cheated, nobody can dispute that. Even if Altuve had no part in cheating, without it, he wouldn't have won (or then again, maybe they might have). This video's point is that Altuve didn't cheat. First, he refused to use trash cans. Second, if he used a buzzer, he wouldn't have hid it under his shirt where he knew his teammates would rip it off - or his teammates would know not to rip it off. Thirdly, he proved he did have a tattoo.
The most baffling thing for me is having a cheating system that everybody can hear. It's like a student tapping the pen on his desk several times to give his classmate the answers on an exam in front of the teacher. Pretty dumb teacher if they don't notice.
145 lbs can offer a lot of torque. You got to put your weight in the swing. Like in boxing. Boxers are taught to put weight behind the punches to add more power.
@@corbenstanley8479 Perspective implies a shared level of detail...the point here, I think, is that the first half was people rushing to judge Altuve before all could be known and adequately explained There's still a word for this, but dammit I can't come up with it lol
Although I see where you're coming from, his whole career could be at risk. If he came out about it he could've lost his spot on the astros and or also been called a cheater no matter what. It's a tuff spot for anyone to be in, and he just handled it poorly.
It’s worth noting that he bounced back in a big way this season. He hit his career high in home runs with a .277 batting average, and he’s still as clutch as he has ever been in the playoffs.
That just tells me he is quite comfortable with his cheating, that he has no guilt or second thoughts... tells me he likely thinks he isn't cheating. Its very unhealthy. And yes, I think he's a big time cheater... bullied? I don't think so... he's the cockiest piece of sh#t around. He deserves whatever bad press and the crowds hating on him. I wouldn't want someone like that on my team.
@@steverennie5787 Bro did you not watch the video? Altuve has always claimed his innocence, his teammates say he’s innocent, the guy that started the whole thing and broke the scandal says he’s innocent, and the statistics and analytics prove he’s innocent. You want someone to get mad at? You’ve got Bregman, Correa, Yuli, Marwin, Reddick, Gattis, etc. All of those dudes are big time cheaters, get pissed at them. Don’t get pissed at the one guy in the organization that didn’t go along with the scandal. That’s just ignorant.
The smallest guy took the biggest brunt of the hostility and negativity. He knew before the season started he was going to get treated badly and even get thrown at. And he took it all without whining or crying to the media or fans. He silently took it all, and it looks like he didn't participate. But he did know about it, and didn't say anything about it. And I can understand why he couldn't say anything.
If Carlos Beltran was indeed one of the masterminds behind the whole thing, then HE should be the face of it. Not Altuve. Say what you want but that’s my opinion on it. The fact that Aaron Judge had the audacity to say that Beltran didn’t “have to explain himself” for the incident after he got hired on to the Yankees’ broadcasting team really pisses me off after the way he trashed them just a few years prior.
"If Carlos Beltran was indeed one of the masterminds behind the whole thing, then HE should be the face of it." - I can't disagree with that, but baseball is a team sport and it wasn't like Carlos Beltran was doing this on his own. A fair number of other players were cheating as well. The coaches knew about it, the manager knew about it and certainly Jose Altuve knew what was going on. Even if Altuve wasn't cheating he went along with it. So, I might agree that Carlos Beltran deserves to take much more heat than he has taken; and if he was the originator of the plan it wouldn't have bothered me at all if he had been banned from MLB altogether, but that doesn't absolve Jose Altuve for either cheating; if he did, or simply looking the other way, while his teammates cheated.
@@chesschad81 I never said he should snitch on his teammates. I said that if Carlos Beltran was the originator of the cheating, he deserved to be banned. I also said that Jose Altuve doesn't get any slack from me. I never heard that he protested or complained about this scheme. I would certainly have a different opinion of him if he did. The rest of the league never beat trashcans or used electronic devices to transmit upcoming pitches to batters.
@@Kwolfx "The rest of the league never beat trashcans or used electronic devices to transmit upcoming pitches to batters." This is at least the third time I've heard this exact statement used in this exact argument. The Yankees and Red Sox both cheated and were caught by the MLB. No, they didn't cheat in the same way that the Astros did, but why does it matter? What is it that makes cheating bad? It's the unfair advantage that it gives, is it not? Then how do you measure the badness of the cheating? I'd say by its effectiveness. If you're illegally using electronics to cheat but it's not helping you win games, (and it really didn't make the Astros hit better), is that really worse than a pitcher using illegal sticky stuff to make his pitches 10 times nastier, and actually getting results? Every team in the league was cheating using sticky stuff until last year. It was statistically more effective than the Astros' sign stealing. Every team showed the willingness to cheat in this way. With all that said: the fact that Altuve _refused to cheat_ on a team that was cheating, (even though he likely knew that other teams were doing it as well), makes him the most innocent man in baseball, in my eyes.
The whole "Oh the Astros didn't even play in SF that year" when they obviously played in Oakland, because the A's are DIVISION RIVALS, is about the level that I'd expect from the Twitter investigation crowd. I wouldn't even really say that Oakland is a 20 minute drive from SF... I'd say Oakland is a part of SF. It'd be like if someone had said "I got a tattoo in LA" and everyone was like "LOL you didn't play the Dodgers..." but they had played the Angels.
Yeah also the thing about it taking 2 days. Like really!? Is it so hard to consider that maybe either he or the artists didnt have enough time to do it in one session so they split it into two. Absolute madness.
This came out at a good time because a White Sox pitcher (Ryan Tepera) is now accusing them of cheating again (Edit): Also, I’m a Cardinals fan/a fan of baseball overall so neither team means anything to me, I’ll take my historic 17 game win streak and go away until next year
I'm pretty sure it's English he's saying No NO I got a piece on. I got a PIECE ON!! He needed to make sure that the non-spanish speakers understood what he was saying. It doesn't make sense to shout only in Spanish.
I've seen so many people comment about players being caught up in their own feelings and acting like children. Well, how about the fans?? They can be just as childish, stubborn, and unwilling to listen about that as the players. This video I think helps that assertion with how the fans treated Altuve over something he didn't do.
dude i didn’t even know you released this video and literally as a white sox fan all day yesterday i was trying to explain to people that the sox didn’t choke anything really. we just flat out got beat by a really damn good baseball team but the casual fan isn’t read for that conversation yet. tipping my cap to them boys in houston they can ball under pressure.
@@hoodiegriffo have you seen the astros pitchers in the series? It's sad to watch almost. Or it leads you to wonder if the Redsox went back to sign stealing on those Apple watches lmao, I kid I kid.
Agreed, it can't be easy to be surrounded by cheaters but have to just try and keep your mouth shut and do your job, despite all the things people are saying to and about you. So it's nice to see him get some vindication with more proof than the accusations, whether people believe it or not.
@@magic_ohh Well, I did say more proof, but your point is fair. The video doesn't 100% prove that he's innocent, but it does provide more evidence to his innocence than the accusers of his cheating.
@@LucianDevine this video doesn't prove at all that he's innocent. It just speculates that the person making the video thinks he is innocent. He offers no proof just speculation
The Altuve situation is so crazy that when I went to Cooperstown All Star Village. We were sitting down waiting for our teams to be called when a team starts chanting “F Altuve” and banging on the tables. Some guy recorded this and posted it on Tik Tok. The video was later deleted and all the teams that participated in this chant were suspended and kicked out. There was more controversy’s that week to but that’s for another time. But still he was a good fielder but didn’t use cheats for that so I respect that.
I played in a tournament there when I was a kid. I’m glad it’s still a thing. I’m in my 30s now and still have my jerseys and a ton of pins. My buddy threw a no hitter and I hit a go ahead home run. We lost in the semi finals though to the eventual champions. Wouldn’t trade that memory for anything.
@@Zack-kh3rb i took a team to the dreamspark tournament and got 2nd place. im 42 and going on that trip and watching my team play all the way to the championship might be better than any one moment for myself as a player. those tournaments are incredible experiences and the memories are the best
I'm a football (soccer for Americans) fan, but I decided to watch the last few weeks of baseball. And I got to say baseball fans can rival football for being some of the most toxic supporters. I'm actually amazed.
Y'all literally have fans called hooligans and riots and shit. Baseball fans don't fucking riot. A guy got murdered in brazil for accidentally scoring his own goal. You'd be hard pressed to find a baseball fan killing somebody for a game losing error, even in the playoffs.
@@xavierlavoie9264 go watch the Tennessee vs Ole Miss basketball game from 2 years before when Ole Miss did it to Tennessee. That’s the fact everyone likes to forget😂
This is a real situation is where since his confidence went down, his success went down. So when you feel like everyone is booing you (or know everyone is) don’t let it get to you. And prove them wrong. This also happened with Josh Donaldson in his freshman year (I think) But came to be one of the best players in the MLB. And got the MVP award. Never give your hopes up.
Except in this case he can't prove them wrong because not matter what happened after those people still thought he cheated and doing great will not change their minds.
@@jimwerther BOTH are good guys. Just because like Josh is a hot head, doesn't mean you're a bad guy. It's his fiery competitiveness. There's been hundreds of players through the entire history of baseball that are hot heads on the field. But outside are good people and teammates love them. A bad person is if they hit their wives or they assault or steal, etc. Not being a hot head in a game. Even Billy Martin with the drinking and fighting felt so much remorse and tried to make amends, people still loved him.
But if he spoke in Spanish, the Americans on the team might not have understood and torn his shirt. Then the buzzer would have shown, or he would have been shy, or his wife would have been mad, or the bad tattoo would show, or his dog might have eaten his homework. . . I’m kidding. I think it’s possible that he was playing honestly in 2019. The only confirmed cheating was in 2017.
The man is the perfect height to blast high fastballs because all he has to do is swing level and it's already underneath anything mid to upper strikezone
@@jmac1851 Haha I believe it I was just adding a joke to the first comment. I'm a Cardinal fan but I love Altuve he better be a first ballot HOF. I was at the game he got his 1000th career hit in 2016.
Altuve is a really nice guy as well. He is always doing charity stuff around town. Everyone loves him here in Houston. Guys on top of the mountain are always loved or hated, no in between.
@@youtubehand yea but altuve purposely did not listen the the bangs from the trash cans and the reason people said he was using a tracker was because somebody on youtube misread his lips. he was really saying "no camisa" which means "no shirt" in spanish
Someone had to be the scapegoat. It’s a shame it was altuve. I’m a Cleveland fan, I’m as critical as anyone about the astros sign stealing, but I don’t think altuve is the right guy to vilify.
When the Nats played the Astros in 2019 there were players from teams who said the Astros were stealing signs, they disguised their signs in Houston and The Astros couldn't hit worth a damn.
On a shite team, where he was still complacent whether a participant or not is worth the animosity *especially* and magnified when you steal an MVP from one more deserving. That's why he's loathed.
One of these days, a team will come up with a gambling scheme or cheating strategy and one of their stars will think, "wait a second, I don't want to be the next Shoeless Joe or Jose Altuve" and will spill the beans before it even gets started instead of just abstaining.
Correa or Bregman are more of the Shoeless Joe of this scandal, i.e. the big star that became the face of it. Altuve is the Buck Weaver of it all as the most innocent, while Beltran is Chick Gandil, i.e. the ringleader.
Shit take though, he didn't partake in cheating but everyone here is saying he deserves. Fucking hilarious that yall think he deserves it but leave the actual cheaters alone
Unlikely, the problem is Jose Altuve is still playing baseball, Correa, Bregman, Springer, are all still in baseball. If you tell and are a batter nobody will want you in the batters pen with them. Teams will ostracize you. I think the reason Mike Flier got away with it was because he was a pitcher and because people were so ready to hate the Astros. A batter as a whistle blower might never be able to play baseball again.
100%. He let it happen. He celebrated the WS win despite knowing how the victory was obtained. Altuve could have prevented this whole thing from happening, but he didn't. Does he deserve more blame than Correa, Bregman, Springer, etc? No, but the biggest names always get the most praise and most criticism.
As a Rangers fan back in 2013 that hadnt even heard about this scandal, thanks for putting this video out there. Idk if he cheated or not, but I never got that vibe from him once watching him play, interview, or interact with his team and others. I like the world better if I believe he didn't do it.
I’m sour with the whole team and organization. I support the Jays, I’m from T.O. I was so glad the Astros won the WS. for the fans, because of the hurricane or flood that happened, so many were in a bad place. Baseball can help your mental health in a way when your team is winning.
@Mark you’re exactly right. Experiencing the nightmare of Harvey was a heavy toll. This took our minds off the reality of our situation. Everyone in the city was an Astro fan that October. It’s interesting though… after winning this year’s WS our fanbase has grown so much. 1.5 million people went to the parade. It brings us together and we forget about stupid arguments like politics.
What? Are you mentally ill? Yeah cheat bc some people had a tough go. All cities are going through crap in America. They cheated and if was your blue jays that list you wouldn’t say this. Unless your a bottom
That win was so emotional for the city, and I will always remember the feeling of the city celebrating them together downtown for the parade. To go through something so traumatic and then watching our city come out a champ boosted everyones spritis in a way we hadn't thought possible. Those players were houston's heroes. So when it came out that they had cheated it SUCKED. but their success in the following years and last year's win brought back my love for them.
Altuve has been elite yet again in 2021 after how dismal last year was. Unless the Astros have some new grand cheating scheme for hitters (which is very plausible but I have some doubts given how much more scrutiny theyre probably under from MLB officiating), I think that Altuve is just really good at baseball, regardless.
this man won batting titles, back in 2014, 2016. BEFORE the scandal. he’s a professional baseball player. if y’all actually look at evidence, the scheme hurt them more than benefited them. they were giving him bangs at his AB’s and you can look at videos of him getting frustrated with it. and if y’all believe he had buzzers, then y’all are dumb, for even listening to that fat dude jomboy and that women beater trevor bauer.
@@Devin03_ Astros fucked around and found out.They deserved all the scrutiny they are under. Sure, Altuve doesn't deserve this kind of treatment but with him being unclear and making it confusing really doesn't help him at all
Even if he NEVER participated in the sign stealing scheme, ( which I doubt ); Altuve was well aware of the cheating going on with his teammates . If he disapproved, as he claims , then he should have said something . One ( former ) Astro came clean . The others are weasels whether active participants or not . They ALL benefited from the cheating . If he doesn’t want to be booed, he could demand a trade and tell people why !
Given the fact that he still smacks 400 ft homers on a team that has made 7 straight ALCSs, 2 rings 4 pennants, I don't think he minds the booing. And do you really think the most hated player in the league would receive better treatment from fans if he went elsewhere? I doubt it considering stadiums chant "fuck altuve" during games the Astros aren't even playing at. In fact, if people actually wanted Altuve to receive punishment, it seems the best way to do that is to STOP booing. 😂
I remember seeing a documentary on Altuve where he worked out other tired and played bottle cap baseball. Along with him being short, he was an inspiration to me and I even got his glove
it’s disappointing because i looked up to him as well and thought he was a really good dude. Everyone makes mistakes but idk what to think about him anymore.
@@Jacob-es5tv not an Astros fan, but I truly believe that he should be forgiven, especially because hes been proven to not cheat. He was good before the scandal and now after. He was stuck in a shitty situation and had to stay quiet because of the team he was on.
@@suppressed_viii “proven he did not cheat” lol whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. They cheated for 3 years. He doesn’t deserve to be forgiven. Stole a MVP from Judge, doesn’t deserve the World Series. If Pete Rose is banned for life for messing with the “integrity” of the game but yet you have an entire Astros team cheating with a player driven scheme and that isn’t considering messing with the integrity of the game, then there is something wrong here. Either Pete Rose gets unbanned from baseball or the entire Astros roster deserves to be banned.
@@larry2281 I know it really sucks knowing that he played for a cheating team and he somewhat benefited from it, he didn't cheat. He's been doing what he's been doing since he started playing in the majors. And while I think there needs to be an asterisk on all the awards and records, he should be recognized for being a damn good ballplayer. Miguel Cabrera, one of the greatest hitters to have played baseball, thinks he didn't cheat. David Ortiz has said the same thing. Cheating in baseball has been rampant since the beginning of baseball. And if teams can get away with Spider Tack and other substances, then I'll let Altuve slide on this one. It's easy to get mad and angry at a face, especially if its the star of the team that did it.
@@larry2281 And Pete Rose shouldn't be banned from baseball. He should be in the Hall, just like Barry should. Only reason Bonds isn't is because of the media, and they love holding the only power they have. Pete Rose should've been unbanned for a long time now but beanhead Manfred doesn't do anything right.
Tbh I dont think they should be penalized for that. If we go with that logic, then we should penalize pretty much everyone who played in the steroid era, since they probably knew that some of their teammates were juicing but didn't do anything about it
It's funny. I'm a lifelong Yankee fan, and I seem to be one of the few Yankee fans I know that never hated Altuve, and that honestly didn't believe that he specifically had cheated. I was disgusted with others on that team, like Correa, who was the most defensive and unapologetic about the whole thing. I didn't sense that attitude with Altuve at all. To the contrary, throughout the whole scandal reveal and blowback, he just seemed to keep his head down and stay quiet. He has always come across to me like a person who's had to work hard and overachieve his whole life just to get a chance to succeed, due to his height. It honestly made no sense to me that someone who had worked so hard like that would then decide to start cheating, so this video's showing of Altuve not wanting to be involved with the scandal doesn't really surprise me. And I truly feel for him getting the brunt of the malice, as the face of the team. The fact that he struggled so mightily in 2020 isn't surprising at all, having to live with that every day. Even moments after he hit the 2019 HR against Chapman and I watched him interviewed, he just came across as a genuinely humble person (and mind you, that's how I was seeing him just minutes after he had ended my team's season - in other words, I wasn't exactly perceiving that at a time when I was particularly happy with him). I don't know if that's how he really is, of course - it's just how I've seen him.
@@dennischen5367 It's the reason why I'm not sure if the Yankees should go for the guy this offseason even though he said when wants to join the pinstripes. Bad enough that Correa was in deep more than Altuve. Plus we already have an elephant in the room with the time when Beltran was employed by the team for few years after his retirement...
Lifelong Yankee fan here as well and have hated only a few players and that was only briefly while they played against us. Time heels all wounds. For example I certainly don’t hate George Brett anymore, if I ever really did, as it was more fear than anything else. Now as far as fans go, Red Sox fans in general I dislike, as they hate like no one else. Players on that team…it depended. These days I couldn’t care less. I rarely watch any professional team sports these days.
@@avacadomangobanana2588 if you watch the video all the way through you can see his tattoo from a different angle in the same game. The video creator said that the view ur talking about is just a bad angle. Also if you watch the video all the way through, again, you can see that he says no camiza. Altuve doesn’t speak very good English, so it would make sense for him to speak Spanish
and the idea that his wife did not want him to take his shirt off still meshes with the tattoo story. If it was a bad tattoo his wife may not have wanted others to see it.
Manager Dusty Baker said on Wednesday that the 2020 season was hard on everyone. “Then in the middle of that (Altuve) had some deaths in his family which he didn’t say anything about. There are things in life sometimes that people think don’t affect us and indeed they do.”
@Ownerthekpwner Proof that he DIDN'T cheat at all? Do you not realize it is impossible to prove that kind of negative? You cannot PROVE that Judge "didn't cheat at all" when he hit 62 home runs. Can you prove he DIDN'T have some super secret kind of injections to improve his bat speed? Or implants to give him radar vision? Or help from space aliens? What we have is the fact that the cheating charges made against Altuve were not backed up by the evidence, which should be enough for any fair-minded person to let it go.
Was at Fanfest 10yrs ago for a Q&A and Altuva told us the story of getting signed. Said the scout told him to be there and no one believed he was supposed to be there but the scout wasn't there to vouch. The next morning he was eating cereal on the couch watching tv and his dad told him to go back because what would it hurt in case the scout was there. Otherwise he would be just moping around watching TV and sitting on the couch all day. He went again and the scout was there and Altuve feels he owes his dad big time for getting his lazy butt off the couch that day. Pretty good story of a good father IMO.
I can't say whether he did or didn't cheat, but if baseball is anything it's a long line of cheating scandals. Like the ways pro teams and players have played the system is so interesting. That'd be a good video, a timeline of baseball cheating scandals just because the MLB has is probably the most consistently documented sport in U.S. sports history. and there's gotta be some juicy scandals that have faded into history. Great content dude, Your content is excellent.
Yea but the main reason people are angrier now is bc teams r using electronics whereas in the past if u could figure out the signs by ur self it was seen as semi fair game
I remember when I was in my freshman year and hadn’t grown yet I always looked up to altuve. He was my hero and when the report came out it broke my heart. He still is one of my favorite players and have forgiven him
@@KonFry of course I watched it. I'm not talking about the video, I'm talking about "Baseball Doesn't Exist's" pinned comment: "Do you guys forgive Altuve yet?"
Even if he was guilty have respect his grind but we need learn our failure and know what’s acceptable. I do feel like he’s innocent but sports fan are too dumb and ignorant to have empathy for a player.
Doesn’t even matter. He was there, benefited, and never spoke up. Acquiesced. It’s like the felony murder rule. You participated, so you’re liable too even if you weren’t a robber or the shooter but only drove the getaway car.
@@ceebee8042 but almost everyone in the MLB cheats tho? So many cases of people and steroids SO MANY CASES of teams using PINE TAR. When the catcher goes to the pitcher to speak you always see them cover up their mouths so people cant read their lips and know what they are talking about why? Cuz they know people are watching and could relay that information to the other team you rarely see that in sports where players cover up their mouths so to me the MLB is a bunch hypocrites idk why the astros taking so much heat as if every other team was so pure and honest and they were the only rotten dirty ones.
Yeah, hit a walk off home run off Chapman to send your team to the World Series and the first thing that comes to your mind is “don’t rip off my jersey” and “let me go to the tunnel to change my shirt before my interview” That’s normal. Quit defending cheaters bum. Delusional Astros fans.
He definitely doesn’t deserve to be completely absolved of wrong doing, however I feel like guys like Correa Bregman Springer and Gurriel all got a lot less flack for the cheating even though they were clearly documented to be the ones using the trash can system the most based on the audio evidence from games that we have.
he still cheated. theres zero chance the whole orginaization cheated and not him, these nerds are in denial. i have a bridge to sell you if you think altuve didnt cheat
This is a question many of us will face in life. "Everyone on my team is cheating, what should I do?" Letting everyone else cheat and calling yourself a winner is not the answer.
Brother, this man was bathing in a river. It's easy for you to sit on a high horse about it, but playing MLB was the only thing he wanted to do, and the Astros are the only team that gave him a shot. It's basically a miracle he got there in the first place.
@bobbymiller7242 My friend, I came from nothing, paid every penny of undergrad and law school working as a waiter, a bus boy, a construction worker, a bartender and at a 7-11. I reached the highest levels you can reach as an attorney. All the way, I fought cheaters, often, if not always to my detriment, and I assure you I earned a tiny fraction of what this guy has made. No one, not from any background, earns the right to be a cheater. That's not a high horse, it's life, I'm a human being and it was my choice not to be a cheater and I don't condone cheating.
I knew nothing of this dude before this vid. I could care less about the conspiracy shit… this dude is 5’5” and made the majors!!! What level of grit, heart etc! Amazing
He wasn’t saying he has a piece. He’s a native Spanish speaker and was speaking in Spanish there. He was saying “no camisa no”, or something along those lines. Still suspicious as hell for sure, but he was simply just saying not to take his jersey off.
What is mind boggling to me is that Chapman threw two totally off the plate fastballs and then threw a curve ball in the middle of the plate... If you knew a curveball was coming the pitch to hit was the third one not the fourth which was actually out of the plate.... The fact this whole scandal (the buzzer one) started because a youtuber misread Altuve's lips and the fact that he is a diehard Yankees fan and he hasn't even had the decency to apologize to Altuve and Altuve all these years later had faced humiliation, ball thrown at him intentionally is beyond me.... People has to be held accountable not only for their but also for their comments
@@pedromanuelsilvaoliveros909 and he previously walked Springer, all the balls were a fastball. It was obvious he couldnt locate his fastball, Altuve just sat, waiting for a slider or curve
i am from venezuela, and when altuve signed, there was no lack of medicine or anything that you mentioned here in venezuela. And his dad encouraged him to go and insisted that he should go to the pedrique´s tryout after no team wanted him
My godmother is from Venezuela. You people have been in government and economic turmoil since the early 90s. If you really think your country is in adequate condition, especially now, you’ve been brainwashed.
Good vid / overall message. Video really missed two key points: (1) Watch entire unedited clip of the celebration after the home run. He does not run into the dugout immediately, he's on the field celebrating for a solid 2 minutes. People edited this to make it look like he ran away from the cameras, adding to the "sketchiness." (2) Really skips over how much of a monster Altuve was at the plate in the 2020 post-season. Why focus on regular season at bat struggles / fielding errors when the scandal is about your ability to hit (and most importantly, hit in the post-season)?
You completely missed his point about the fielding errors. He wasn't making the argument that Altuve was worse because he was no longer cheating. He was saying Altuve made fielding errors due to a lack of confidence/getting psyched out by suddenly becoming the most hated player in baseball
Except he literally still cheated. Even if just a little or just that once. How you can even deny the shirt thing is laughable. You a homer or just like altuve because anyone not bias can see he cheated
@@kelseywhitlatch173 Even when all or most of the arguments saying he cheated on that ALCS walkoff were debunked on the video? Thats what a non biased and minimally inteligent people would take into consideration on their opinion
I've been saying this about altuve. Look at that AB vs chapman in the 2019 ALCS. First two pitches are fastballs wildly out of the zone. Chapman known for his lack of control and Chapman had one other pitch he can go to during this year which was his slider. 2-0 pitch, he hangs a slider for strike one. EVERYONE that was actually watching the game and knows baseball already knew what he's gonna throw for the 2-1 pitch. You didn't need to cheat to figure that out honestly. He hung another slider to send the astros to the WS. Chapman been choking look at the final game 2016 WS. The only reason it went to extras was because of Chapman. Some "fans" need to learn the sport a little more. I didn't like what Correa said during the interviews following the release of the scandal, but I believed him when he said Altuve didn't cheat.
Batting is like an oversimplified paper rock scissors, i called chapmans slider just like i called rendons fastball that correa smacked to give the astros a 2-1 lead today, if i can figure it out and i never went passed hs varsity ball then obviously world class hitters can too 😂
@@juancompeanjc I mean, oversimplified might be an exaggeration but I get what you're saying. I agree for the most part. But believe it or not, most fans don't see things in the way people who understand the game at a deeper level. It's the way it is. Ask 90% of the dodger fan base. Lol I love watching the dodgers, but Jesus Christ their fanbase is full of people who don't know anything about the sport.
Altuve is one of my favorite active players in baseball. It's good to see someone defending him because he really doesn't deserve the hate he gets. I'm also really happy that Altuve had a great season this year
Yankees, Mets and Dodgers as well. My uncle played for the White Sox in the 1990s. He said sign stealing from the outfield with a relay to the dugout has been going on since the 1970s at least. The pitchers and catchers know what to listen for and change the signs when they think something is suspicious. Sign stealing with binoculars has been around for 50+ years and all the teams know it. They needed a 'heel' and to get some media and stir things up (think bad guy, good guy like WWE) and the Astros were the perfect target: i.e. smaller viewer market, etc.
Why didn't he talk about whistles??? The whistle that everybody heard in chapman's throw? If you want to see him as a good guy you will se him as a good guy and you'll show the evidence to prove your point. Love this channel but not this video
either way it’s incriminating....he’s had his shirt ripped off before, it’s not uncommon for him. doesn’t make sense for him to go shy all of a sudden idk
I don't even watch baseball but these videos are fucking incredible. Masterful pacing and storytelling. I'd love a full length feature from this channel (maybe I'm being greedy and this anthology style is better). This is 30 for 30 level content though and I'm happy to have found this channel.
Still my favorite too don’t let these casual baseball fans change your view of Altuve or even the Astros, every mlb team cheats horribly the Astros just got caught
@@chaserichards8498 Multiple teams have been caught. Like the Red Sox cheated when they won in 2018, but nobody talks about that. MLB just made the Astros the scapegoat for it all and it worked perfectly
Your favorite player is a cheater. Even if he didn't personally do it he knew his teammates were cheating and said nothing. Knowing his team is cheating and not doing anything about it also makes him a cheater
As a Houstonian I have never stopped chearing for the Astros. I believe you stick with your teams no matter if you win or lose. Jose is a good dude that cares about our city and community. I don't blame fans that hate on the Astros organization as a whole but I would offer a point to consider. The use of gaining a competitive edge using video equipment was more of a wide spread issue than we are made to believe. The Dodgers, Redsox and Yankees teams have had their own sign stealing schemes used during the same time period but no one wants to talk about that. The Astros have been made out to be the scapegoat for sign stealing ... sent out to die in the wilderness. #2022WorldSeriesChamps
You could have also had Josh Hamilton, but let’s face it, you guys dodged a major bullet by giving him to the Reds. As much as I empathize with his trauma, he proved a liability for every team he was on and has recently proved himself to be a true scumbag.
Altuve never said “I got a piece on, no! I got a piece on, no!” He said “La camisa, no! La camisa, no!”. That’s Spanish for “Not the shirt, not the shirt!”
No one ever thought he said “I got a piece on,” they always thought he said “La camisa, no.” Seems pretty sus that he hits a walkoff home run to send his team to the World Series and his first thought is “don’t take off my jersey”
@@Isaac-lt6fk His excuse was that his wife doesn't like it when he's shirtless in public. Seems reasonable knowing how some Venezuelan Women are. Then the team used the Tattoo excuse. To me, he's just a dude who's pretty shy and perhaps insecure about things. People just put all the blame on him. Dude is human too.
@UCb5mmhcugIq_d26wlupJy7w you’re full of shit… cause when Altive walked off this year against the Yankees they ripped his shirt off as taunt to the Yankees… don’t make up excuses for digusting acts… Why didn’t Altuve stopped them then?
@@zikalokof1challenge414i would prefer being dumped in another team than winning with cheaters and get my reputation hurt for the rest of my career - clearly will never get voted for the HOF
You guys forgive Altuve yet?
Eh. Have to finish the vid first to decide.
Edit: yes, I do (mostly). Even though he didn’t actively participate in the cheating, he probably should’ve said something. Other than that, he seems like a cool dude. I wish him the best.
@@-woohoobs-8918 same
No I still think he was involved in the cheating and he’s getting what comes to you when you cheat
No lol you serious?
no lol
The dumb thing is that the astros actually had a really good team and didn’t need to cheat at all. Their actions damaged the reputations of the whole brand and the commissioner’s statements on the situation damaged the reputation of baseball
The Yankees … the Red Sox… the A’s, the Cubs, just to name a few were also known for cheating by the way of stealing signs using Apple watches cameras taking PED’s … etc…. And none of those teams got punished or hated the way the Astros did so shut up already. The game was already tarnished.
it did not damage baseball...it damaged the anti-american, capitalist-infested MLB.
Yes. But the Astros were not the only ones! 19 other teams were they also found doing the same thing. The reputation of baseball was damaged by all those teams. We just happened to have a rat 🐀 in our team and now he is getting what he deserves.
@@Nova_Nora5 this exactly, mlb threw the astros under the bus to take all the heat. But the long list of cheaters between '16 and '20 is unreal including Yankees cheating the same time they claim the Astros stole their chance. It wasnt about I have a good team and dont have to cheat, its about winning the title and doing whatever it takes KNOWING other teams are cheating to beat you.
@@Nova_Nora5 This is cap.
The funniest part is when fanbases instantly forgive a member of the scandal as soon as they join their team.
Perfect example of this: yankee fans
Nice vague reference to something that only exist in your head. This is about the fraudulent dishonest Astros. Not the imaginary player that goes to another team.
George Springer..
Like how Red Sox fans hate The Stros and bring trash can lids to games but love Cora?
Ain’t it so?
Fun fact: in the 2021 regular season, Altuve's batting average was .278. He hit .278 in the first half of the season and .278 in the second half; .278 against lefties and .278 against righties.
Is that real? Even disregarding cheating at home, who is that consistent, ever? What a beast
@@alainabrinton5298 2021 alaina…
I had to edit it 'cause I got it wrong. It wasn't .278 at home/on the road, but .278 in the first half and second half.
@@alainabrinton5298 Look up Khris Davis stats the dude hit .247 4 years in a row
soooo your saying he found another way to cheat then...
We had a home room lesson about perseverance using the Astros as examples, and the next day the cheating scandal broke.
This is AWESOME lol.
And the than the MLB also find out the Yanks and Red Sox’s were also cheating… hey at least the Astros and the Red Sox were good enough to be able to win! The Yankees and Dodgers couldn’t win even with cheating 😂😅 instead Cash still says that the yanks mental health is mess up and they keep losing because the Astros stole signs on them 6 years ago 😂🤣🤣🤣 yall whiny babies are so funny!!! Hey Yanks! Call Better Help! ♥️ Houston is here for you, we can help you sweep 🧹 your stadium 🏟️😘
Bro that’s awesome
Still a valuable lesson - just wasn't the one you thought it might be. Lol. Sweet teacher though.
Oh goodness, that poor teacher.
I don't think I'll ever see someone go from so praised to so hated that quickly
thats what happens when dodgers fans get butt hurt
juju smith shuster
OJ Simpson
Will smith 😦
@@fruitsnack6319 your mom
Y’know, none of the fan investigation work would have been necessary if MLB itself didn’t botch the investigation into the org. Many fans (and players) were pissed with the way it was handled, which just caused more animosity between all parties involved.
What does this mean? The Astros organization cooperated fully, maybe even to a fault, unlike (e.g.) the Red Sox who clammed up and simply blamed a rogue replay video guy
Because they would have had to suspend 70% of MLB managers. This was the neat and tidy way to "end the problem".
@@stephenreagin719 im pretty sure it's been reported the league knew about the Astros cheating DURING that 2017 season but did nothing about it. Sure nthe Astros can say that they cooperated fully, but idk about you I'm not giving out incriminating information to a cop if they don't know about it or if they have no solid proof on it, that's why the buzzers are as big of a topic as they are because it's a speculation.
@@stephenreagin719 right, I think he's implying BEFORE the scandal broke out. And he's not wrong, the MLB knew the Yanks/Red Sox/Dodgers/Brewers and many other teams were suspiciously involved in digital sign stealing or at least 'curious' video room activity, but just wanted it to go away, and it never did. This became a league wide problem, and once Fiers opened his rat mouth, they pinned it on the Stros. It was easier for them to have one 'renegade scapegoat,' rather than actually present it like the league wide issue it was.
Don’t forget that the players were represented by the MLBPA. They said the players would agree to “tell all” in return for immunity. Otherwise, they would stay silent. That’s why the players were not punished.
That shot of Mike Fiers beard was almost as disgusting as the Astros scandal itself
When trying to look badass goes wrong.
Mike Fiers looks like the game master from the hunger games
Honestly keep forgetting that man exists and is still in my Oakland Athletics roster LOL
More disgusting
Mike Fiers is a pretty disgusting person tbh
I love your videos from a non baseball fan because you dont act like people will know even the smallest details. I’m sure it’s a little annoying for diehard fans having to hear the minute details, but you’re pretty much the only reason I’m starting to watch baseball (have to give chart party some credit 😂)
Same, this is the kind of stuff thats actually getting me into baseball, unlike my family that just want me to get it without haveing to explain anything.
Exactly!🎉
I think a lot of people who think they know everything also learn little things constantly. People think they know it all
Nobody cares about a prospect's obscure litany of stats on Monday home games in April. Moneyball and its consequences have been a disaster for sports.
Good comment. It's why I watch this channel.
I’m wondering why, Carlos Beltran, the guy that apparently started the whole thing, got no heat for it in the slightest
Because people realized it was a scapegoat. Everyone they blamed, either was already retired, or on different teams
He did get fired by the Mets...and he's the only guy besides Luhnow still out of a job, I think he took enough of the fall.
@@lukerbom12 he left the job he was never fired
@@Mall_man_ They "agreed to part ways", come on, we all know what that means
He literally lost the job as the Mets manager a day after being announced
Chapman hung a slider middle high to this guy during an inning where the only pitch he was able to throw for a strike was the slider. His fastball location was nonexistent that entire inning. As a yankees fan, I 100% held Chapman responsible for that homerun since it happened
Woah can’t believe that.. not to pour salt on the wound either but I believe the Yankees didn’t score that much either in that series
The only issue I have is the count was 2-1 usually you get a fastball from Chapman in that situation, altuve looked like he knew what was coming. No flinching I remember watching that live and telling my girl, wow it's like he knew what was coming... I'm a mets fan by the way
@@janelis156 In 2019, Chapman threw the slider in a 2-1 count at almost double the rate than the fastball. He hung a slider and got caught.
@@janelis156 casual
100% I never understood why people were surprised by the fact that, if you throw a meatball upstairs to a guy who's proving time and again to be one of the best high fastball hitters of his generation, it's gonna get crushed.
Manfred effectively did nothing in response to the Astros cheating, so it left everyone wanting blood from the franchise, and Altuve was one of the biggest faces of those teams for better or worse. That's why he gets bullied, guilty or not, because MLB is run by incompetents.
The only take necessary.
Exactly. When Manfred found out about the Astros sign-stealing scheme back in 2017, he purposely chose to protect the business of baseball at the expense of the integrity of the game. And since Manfred chose to cover it up and sweep it under the rug, that told other teams (including 2018 Boston Red Sox) that there was no real reason to worry about getting caught. So, Manfred not only botched the 2017 situation with the Astros (TWICE), his purposeful mistake also led to teams cheating in 2018 & 2019 right up until the whistleblower came forward after the conclusion of the 2019 season.
The fact that Manfred still has his job should tell everybody that MLB values the business ($$$) of baseball over everything else, including the integrity of the game.
Because the Yankee and most if all the league was doing the same thing
@@brianbunel7687 worst part is the Yankees just got a slap on the wrist and they tried to pay to have it covered up and they were doing it 2 years prior to the Astros
Off topic but nice voidz pfp!!!
2:18 it’s insane how much the fans impact the players!
Bang% is a punch line I didn’t know I needed
Sound like a speed run category
@@thatguynamedluke7207 what’s up guys we’re going for bang percent.
@@SuzuNoUtaTX Mark Beuhrle would be a natural at it.
He does not say "No, I got a piece on"... He said in perfect spanish: "No, la camisa no". This means: "No, not the shirt". Remember that the 2017 team had a bit more than its fair share of latinos latinos: Altuve, Correa, Gurriel, González and Bregman's spanish is also quite good.
Of course they would try and lip read what he said in English because a Spanish lip reading would mean he wasn't wearing a cheating device and he just didn't want his shirt to be removed! No! La camisa no! Is exactly what he said.
Tbf him saying “no not this shirt” is also suspicious as hell
This is such wild cope. The dude cheated. It is what it is, but i’m gobsmaked by these braindead takes saying Altuve was just magically not a part of a mass cheating culture that affected the whole team. Delusional ass thinking.
@@coloradomodder yeah, why not his shirt? oh yeah, his wife gets mad at him. GTFO
Now that I try to read his lips he actually seems to have said “la camisa no” (not the shirt). Doesn’t prove or disprove anything but I guess certain “analysts” and especially Yankees fans of course are very conclusive saying that he said “I got a piece on”. But well even if altuve would have been speaking Korean people would be trying to find some English words in there that’d prove there was a buzzer.
He’s actually been doing that gesture since 2015
exacto, no dice i got a piece on, es obvio que dice la camisa no, pero bueno, es obvio que van a buscarle otro sentido, sobre todo cuando la gente que lo hace ni idea tiene de español
@@dffndjdjd Bregman speaks spanish and translates for the American players. Correa also got advanced training in English when he lived in Puerto Rico, because he knew he was going to be a pro baseball player in the US.
@@wyattsexton4132 lol bro everyone has absolutely hated Houston fans for nearly 5 years non stop. People do "fuck altuve" chants at minor league baseball games lmao
Ok we’ll just call him a liar then
"If he was using a buzzer, he'd be more careful..." Bro...they were loudly banging f'n trash cans 🤣🤣🤣
He would plant buzzers in a more careful place, like his glove.
That’s what i’m saying! he obviously cheated just astros fans are delusional because they won
@@shelbynorth9518 The Astros cheated, nobody can dispute that. Even if Altuve had no part in cheating, without it, he wouldn't have won (or then again, maybe they might have).
This video's point is that Altuve didn't cheat. First, he refused to use trash cans. Second, if he used a buzzer, he wouldn't have hid it under his shirt where he knew his teammates would rip it off - or his teammates would know not to rip it off. Thirdly, he proved he did have a tattoo.
@@broadstreet21and that tattoo was nothing more than a small/word name in cursive is it not? Hardly something that can't see the light of day
@@shelbynorth9518 oh yeah? provide some proof buddy. And while you are at it provide proof that the redsox didnt cheat. fools all of you.
The most baffling thing for me is having a cheating system that everybody can hear. It's like a student tapping the pen on his desk several times to give his classmate the answers on an exam in front of the teacher. Pretty dumb teacher if they don't notice.
They could just have bad tunnel vision and don't notice it unless they're listening for it
Players picked it up in June
Players were noticing, though.
well thats why they started transitioning to electronic patches / buzzers worn under the jersey. like altuve used the entire time.
@@wildboar1911A1 the fact that you watched this entire video and decided to comment this is kinda telling
To be honest it’s pretty crazy how good he is. I’m 5’6 145 lbs and cant imagine being good or strong enough to hit home runs
Roids help
technique is key
145 lbs can offer a lot of torque. You got to put your weight in the swing.
Like in boxing. Boxers are taught to put weight behind the punches to add more power.
I can imagine it for myself but only imagine
You could! Just mad practice and taking care of your body the correct ways.
If Altuve wasn’t so short, it wouldn’t be as easy to make short jokes about him
Well no fucking shit
@@diegocorona3983
But why doesn’t he get less short? 🤔🤔🤔
Dude looks like a damn garden gnome. If you put him in someone's garden with a cone on his head, no one would notice.
@@He_ldI’m 5’11, and I’m 16. Only gonna get taller, but meanwhile, Jose has maxed out his height.
Youre not wrong
Yall say yall dont see a tattoo but yall also didnt see any buzzer
we also didn't see a guy banging a trashcan, but it happened, didn't it?
Spanish speaker here and also Yankees fan lol, he said “la camisa no” which means “not the jersey” not “I have a piece”
Facts (a Latina that is a Astro fan)
He meant not the jersey because I have a piece.
thats what he said
Same thing
@@Heyitsnanalalaobviously he said don’t take the shirt off he had a buzzer smh how delusional r u
Before crossing home, I think Altuve was saying “ la camisa, no”, meaning “not the jersey”
Yeah that is what he said
Yeah it was becuz of his wife didn't want other women seeing him without a shirt on
He did nothing and the 2019 run to the World Series was ligit
@@justinmendoza3568 Learn how to spell legit and then you can have an opinion
yeah not sure where he got that “i got a piece on” stuff from but it was definitely no la camisa no
I like how this video is split into being the same story but told in different ways
It’s called a perspective
It’s called stretching 3 minutes into 17
@@corbenstanley8479 Perspective implies a shared level of detail...the point here, I think, is that the first half was people rushing to judge Altuve before all could be known and adequately explained
There's still a word for this, but dammit I can't come up with it lol
@@warlordofbritannia hypocritical?
@@TheNumberScott just because you can make a video shorter doesn't always make it better
If you’re a member of a team that is actively cheating, and you have knowledge of it, and say nothing. You are a cheater.
Although I see where you're coming from, his whole career could be at risk. If he came out about it he could've lost his spot on the astros and or also been called a cheater no matter what. It's a tuff spot for anyone to be in, and he just handled it poorly.
Well maybe to you Mr goody 2 shoes.
You don't rat out your teammates, that's nonsense
The word you're looking for is "complicit," which he was. So Yeah, it's just as bad.
Even if you know that most of your opponents (in the playoffs at any rate) are also cheating?
It’s worth noting that he bounced back in a big way this season. He hit his career high in home runs with a .277 batting average, and he’s still as clutch as he has ever been in the playoffs.
And gave Chicago a big “FUCK YOU” in the 9th 😂
@@RedRaiderLobo20 Altuve tends to have signature 9th innings, reminds me of the Yankees vs Astros ALCS 2019
Yes he did hit his career high but he tied his career high. Just specifying that he didnt set a new career high but he tied the one from 2019.
That just tells me he is quite comfortable with his cheating, that he has no guilt or second thoughts... tells me he likely thinks he isn't cheating. Its very unhealthy. And yes, I think he's a big time cheater... bullied? I don't think so... he's the cockiest piece of sh#t around. He deserves whatever bad press and the crowds hating on him. I wouldn't want someone like that on my team.
@@steverennie5787 Bro did you not watch the video? Altuve has always claimed his innocence, his teammates say he’s innocent, the guy that started the whole thing and broke the scandal says he’s innocent, and the statistics and analytics prove he’s innocent. You want someone to get mad at? You’ve got Bregman, Correa, Yuli, Marwin, Reddick, Gattis, etc. All of those dudes are big time cheaters, get pissed at them. Don’t get pissed at the one guy in the organization that didn’t go along with the scandal. That’s just ignorant.
The smallest guy took the biggest brunt of the hostility and negativity. He knew before the season started he was going to get treated badly and even get thrown at. And he took it all without whining or crying to the media or fans. He silently took it all, and it looks like he didn't participate. But he did know about it, and didn't say anything about it. And I can understand why he couldn't say anything.
*didn't say anything* fixed it for you
He lucked out, he had COVID season and the fans didn’t get to vent.
Usually the case…
@@CodyTres7 guess Justin Verlander can't make the hall of Fame 🙄
@@CodyTres7 I agree with that. Thanks for clarifying your point.
If Carlos Beltran was indeed one of the masterminds behind the whole thing, then HE should be the face of it. Not Altuve. Say what you want but that’s my opinion on it. The fact that Aaron Judge had the audacity to say that Beltran didn’t “have to explain himself” for the incident after he got hired on to the Yankees’ broadcasting team really pisses me off after the way he trashed them just a few years prior.
"If Carlos Beltran was indeed one of the masterminds behind the whole thing, then HE should be the face of it." - I can't disagree with that, but baseball is a team sport and it wasn't like Carlos Beltran was doing this on his own. A fair number of other players were cheating as well. The coaches knew about it, the manager knew about it and certainly Jose Altuve knew what was going on. Even if Altuve wasn't cheating he went along with it.
So, I might agree that Carlos Beltran deserves to take much more heat than he has taken; and if he was the originator of the plan it wouldn't have bothered me at all if he had been banned from MLB altogether, but that doesn't absolve Jose Altuve for either cheating; if he did, or simply looking the other way, while his teammates cheated.
yeah forget all the best players on the team and manager that faced zero consequences, lets put all the blame on a bench player who hardly played.
@@Kwolfx Why should he snitch on his teammates when he knows the rest of the league is doing the same?
@@chesschad81 I never said he should snitch on his teammates. I said that if Carlos Beltran was the originator of the cheating, he deserved to be banned. I also said that Jose Altuve doesn't get any slack from me. I never heard that he protested or complained about this scheme. I would certainly have a different opinion of him if he did.
The rest of the league never beat trashcans or used electronic devices to transmit upcoming pitches to batters.
@@Kwolfx "The rest of the league never beat trashcans or used electronic devices to transmit upcoming pitches to batters."
This is at least the third time I've heard this exact statement used in this exact argument.
The Yankees and Red Sox both cheated and were caught by the MLB. No, they didn't cheat in the same way that the Astros did, but why does it matter?
What is it that makes cheating bad? It's the unfair advantage that it gives, is it not? Then how do you measure the badness of the cheating? I'd say by its effectiveness. If you're illegally using electronics to cheat but it's not helping you win games, (and it really didn't make the Astros hit better), is that really worse than a pitcher using illegal sticky stuff to make his pitches 10 times nastier, and actually getting results?
Every team in the league was cheating using sticky stuff until last year. It was statistically more effective than the Astros' sign stealing. Every team showed the willingness to cheat in this way.
With all that said: the fact that Altuve _refused to cheat_ on a team that was cheating, (even though he likely knew that other teams were doing it as well), makes him the most innocent man in baseball, in my eyes.
The whole "Oh the Astros didn't even play in SF that year" when they obviously played in Oakland, because the A's are DIVISION RIVALS, is about the level that I'd expect from the Twitter investigation crowd.
I wouldn't even really say that Oakland is a 20 minute drive from SF... I'd say Oakland is a part of SF. It'd be like if someone had said "I got a tattoo in LA" and everyone was like "LOL you didn't play the Dodgers..." but they had played the Angels.
Yeah also the thing about it taking 2 days. Like really!? Is it so hard to consider that maybe either he or the artists didnt have enough time to do it in one session so they split it into two. Absolute madness.
This came out at a good time because a White Sox pitcher (Ryan Tepera) is now accusing them of cheating again
(Edit): Also, I’m a Cardinals fan/a fan of baseball overall so neither team means anything to me, I’ll take my historic 17 game win streak and go away until next year
Tepera is a little salty
Yeah cause they definitely didn’t score 6 at their own time place
Yah and it doesn’t make sense the white Sox put up 12 at their home game and out of 5 in the 2 games in Houston if anything they’re cheating
Tepera prolly pissed the stros off now
The managers have hated each other since the beginning of time, but you just can't rule anything out
Most underrated channel on the platform.
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Absolutely
I see no lies here
agreed.
Major facts ⚾️
If you know Spanish, you can 100% read Altuve’s lips saying “La camisa no, la camisa no” which means not the shirt, not the shirt…
Yup
He openly admitted to saying that. He didn’t lie for a second about denying he didn’t want his shirt ripped
I'm pretty sure it's English he's saying No NO I got a piece on. I got a PIECE ON!! He needed to make sure that the non-spanish speakers understood what he was saying. It doesn't make sense to shout only in Spanish.
@@drbryant23you can’t talk about not making sense and then talk about this widely disproven conspiracy theory as if it’s fact.
@@drbryant23 holy shit lmaooooo bro go to sleep.
I've seen so many people comment about players being caught up in their own feelings and acting like children. Well, how about the fans?? They can be just as childish, stubborn, and unwilling to listen about that as the players. This video I think helps that assertion with how the fans treated Altuve over something he didn't do.
Then why didn’t he speak up and stop it? He’s the best player on the team
dude i didn’t even know you released this video and literally as a white sox fan all day yesterday i was trying to explain to people that the sox didn’t choke anything really. we just flat out got beat by a really damn good baseball team but the casual fan isn’t read for that conversation yet. tipping my cap to them boys in houston they can ball under pressure.
Those grand silames tho. Woof
@@chestrockwell1794 the red sox are playing mlb the show rookie mode in the playoffs right now my god they can rake.
@@hoodiegriffo have you seen the astros pitchers in the series? It's sad to watch almost. Or it leads you to wonder if the Redsox went back to sign stealing on those Apple watches lmao, I kid I kid.
@@hoodiegriffo my Astros clawed back yesterday just beware we no got down that easily big dawg
It was a good series. The Red Sox played their hearts out and exceeded expectations. They made Houston sweat. Congrats on a great season, Boston.
The best kind of reporting is a telling a true story everyone needs to hear even if they don’t want to. Good job man
Agreed, it can't be easy to be surrounded by cheaters but have to just try and keep your mouth shut and do your job, despite all the things people are saying to and about you. So it's nice to see him get some vindication with more proof than the accusations, whether people believe it or not.
@@LucianDevine where was the proof? This video presents only speculation
@@magic_ohh Well, I did say more proof, but your point is fair. The video doesn't 100% prove that he's innocent, but it does provide more evidence to his innocence than the accusers of his cheating.
@@LucianDevine this video doesn't prove at all that he's innocent. It just speculates that the person making the video thinks he is innocent. He offers no proof just speculation
You should just say you’re an astros fan next time
The Altuve situation is so crazy that when I went to Cooperstown All Star Village. We were sitting down waiting for our teams to be called when a team starts chanting “F Altuve” and banging on the tables. Some guy recorded this and posted it on Tik Tok. The video was later deleted and all the teams that participated in this chant were suspended and kicked out. There was more controversy’s that week to but that’s for another time. But still he was a good fielder but didn’t use cheats for that so I respect that.
I played in a tournament there when I was a kid. I’m glad it’s still a thing. I’m in my 30s now and still have my jerseys and a ton of pins.
My buddy threw a no hitter and I hit a go ahead home run. We lost in the semi finals though to the eventual champions. Wouldn’t trade that memory for anything.
@@Zack-kh3rb i took a team to the dreamspark tournament and got 2nd place. im 42 and going on that trip and watching my team play all the way to the championship might be better than any one moment for myself as a player. those tournaments are incredible experiences and the memories are the best
People are so sensitive
i remember seeing that tik tok
Nice to see even youth sporting events are ruined by sensitive adults.
Oh god the cardboard cut outs in the stand. I had forgotten that very dark time for a moment 😂
I'm a football (soccer for Americans) fan, but I decided to watch the last few weeks of baseball. And I got to say baseball fans can rival football for being some of the most toxic supporters. I'm actually amazed.
College football fans are much worse, see the tennesse game vs ole miss.
@yoda8802 not really, worse thing they did was throwing beers on field. College football fans are 100x more passionate about their teams
Let's be truly honest-most sports fans in general, no matter the sport, are obnoxious, especially the more die-hard the fans get
Y'all literally have fans called hooligans and riots and shit. Baseball fans don't fucking riot. A guy got murdered in brazil for accidentally scoring his own goal. You'd be hard pressed to find a baseball fan killing somebody for a game losing error, even in the playoffs.
@@xavierlavoie9264 go watch the Tennessee vs Ole Miss basketball game from 2 years before when Ole Miss did it to Tennessee. That’s the fact everyone likes to forget😂
I can’t believe how you can consistently put out such high quality and interesting topics. Thank you dude, keep it up.
I legit didn't realize how many great stories took place within baseball, glad to be following now
@Taylor Gardner then why are you here lmao
@Taylor Gardner lmao bro chill
I like to think this is the dateline or 60 Minutes of the MLB
@Taylor Gardner Sometimes there's updates that make sense to add on, but I agree, I hate people who just watch the office over and over
This is a real situation is where since his confidence went down, his success went down. So when you feel like everyone is booing you (or know everyone is) don’t let it get to you. And prove them wrong.
This also happened with Josh Donaldson in his freshman year (I think) But came to be one of the best players in the MLB. And got the MVP award. Never give your hopes up.
Uhh, Donaldson hasn't won four MVPs. He has the one.
@@woodcutta6461 oops, I must’ve misclicked or something. Thanks for letting me know
Except in this case he can't prove them wrong because not matter what happened after those people still thought he cheated and doing great will not change their minds.
@@woodpeka4043
Except Altuve is actually a good guy. Can't say the same for Donaldson.
@@jimwerther BOTH are good guys. Just because like Josh is a hot head, doesn't mean you're a bad guy.
It's his fiery competitiveness. There's been hundreds of players through the entire history of baseball that are hot heads on the field. But outside are good people and teammates love them. A bad person is if they hit their wives or they assault or steal, etc. Not being a hot head in a game.
Even Billy Martin with the drinking and fighting felt so much remorse and tried to make amends, people still loved him.
Altuve says “ LA CAMISA NO! La camisa NO! “
As in: not the shirt ! Not the shirt!
100% Altuve wasn't saying "I got a piece on"
He was saying "La Camisa" (Shirt)
As in dont rip my shirt. But whatevs
He said exactly that in the video towards the end when he debunked the myths.
He said “imma pizza”
I can’t honestly see altuve saying anything else except “no camisa”
Yea I kinda doubted he was speaking English
But if he spoke in Spanish, the Americans on the team might not have understood and torn his shirt. Then the buzzer would have shown, or he would have been shy, or his wife would have been mad, or the bad tattoo would show, or his dog might have eaten his homework. . . I’m kidding. I think it’s possible that he was playing honestly in 2019. The only confirmed cheating was in 2017.
The man is the perfect height to blast high fastballs because all he has to do is swing level and it's already underneath anything mid to upper strikezone
@pwm2001 okay
I know right? Haha the advantage of being short hehe
especially if you have the Crawford boxes 315ft away
@@rustyshackleford6637 look at his wrc+ and ops+, wOBA and xwOBA. he's good, with or without crawford boxes
@@jmac1851 Haha I believe it I was just adding a joke to the first comment. I'm a Cardinal fan but I love Altuve he better be a first ballot HOF. I was at the game he got his 1000th career hit in 2016.
Altuve is a really nice guy as well. He is always doing charity stuff around town. Everyone loves him here in Houston. Guys on top of the mountain are always loved or hated, no in between.
oh so charity means he didnt cheat? hahaha please I can show you plenty of athletes who do both
@@wtfyomom did you not watch the video?
@@Remivoux yes. The team cheated
@@youtubehand yea but altuve purposely did not listen the the bangs from the trash cans and the reason people said he was using a tracker was because somebody on youtube misread his lips. he was really saying "no camisa" which means "no shirt" in spanish
Because he has a guilty conscience.
1:08 pretty sure he’s saying “La Camisa No” not “ I got a piece on” lol
Someone had to be the scapegoat. It’s a shame it was altuve. I’m a Cleveland fan, I’m as critical as anyone about the astros sign stealing, but I don’t think altuve is the right guy to vilify.
Oh please. They fing cheated big time. F the whole scumbag cheating team.
It's easy to make the best player the scapegoat
When the Nats played the Astros in 2019 there were players from teams who said the Astros were stealing signs, they disguised their signs in Houston and The Astros couldn't hit worth a damn.
Even if Altuve didn't cheat(yeah, sure) he knew about it and went along. For that the guilt is shared equaly by all.
On a shite team, where he was still complacent whether a participant or not is worth the animosity *especially* and magnified when you steal an MVP from one more deserving.
That's why he's loathed.
One of these days, a team will come up with a gambling scheme or cheating strategy and one of their stars will think, "wait a second, I don't want to be the next Shoeless Joe or Jose Altuve" and will spill the beans before it even gets started instead of just abstaining.
Correa or Bregman are more of the Shoeless Joe of this scandal, i.e. the big star that became the face of it. Altuve is the Buck Weaver of it all as the most innocent, while Beltran is Chick Gandil, i.e. the ringleader.
You mean like the Red Sox who won the next year with sign stealing or the other teams that were doing it
Shit take though, he didn't partake in cheating but everyone here is saying he deserves. Fucking hilarious that yall think he deserves it but leave the actual cheaters alone
Unlikely, the problem is Jose Altuve is still playing baseball, Correa, Bregman, Springer, are all still in baseball. If you tell and are a batter nobody will want you in the batters pen with them. Teams will ostracize you. I think the reason Mike Flier got away with it was because he was a pitcher and because people were so ready to hate the Astros. A batter as a whistle blower might never be able to play baseball again.
100%. He let it happen. He celebrated the WS win despite knowing how the victory was obtained. Altuve could have prevented this whole thing from happening, but he didn't. Does he deserve more blame than Correa, Bregman, Springer, etc? No, but the biggest names always get the most praise and most criticism.
I recall that year 2017 that in the investigation that 4 players didn't like the trash cans....Altuve, Reddick, McCann, and Tony Kemp.
@@saberswordsmen1he still is a good kid
As a Rangers fan back in 2013 that hadnt even heard about this scandal, thanks for putting this video out there. Idk if he cheated or not, but I never got that vibe from him once watching him play, interview, or interact with his team and others. I like the world better if I believe he didn't do it.
Lmao “I got a piece on” 😂😂 I hate the astros as much as the next guy but he’s really saying “la camisa no” 😂 (not the shirt)
Yeah. People forget English isn’t his most dominant language lol
@@TheChosennn exacly. this man is so dumb bro, just assuming things.
@@Mthayn03 Watch the full video before commenting please. He explains how “I got a piece on” was incorrect.
Yes, that is exactly what the guy who made the video said.. in the video.
Ok so here "la camisa no" literally translates in English to "I got a piece on"
I’m sour with the whole team and organization. I support the Jays, I’m from T.O. I was so glad the Astros won the WS. for the fans, because of the hurricane or flood that happened, so many were in a bad place. Baseball can help your mental health in a way when your team is winning.
@Mark you’re exactly right. Experiencing the nightmare of Harvey was a heavy toll. This took our minds off the reality of our situation. Everyone in the city was an Astro fan that October. It’s interesting though… after winning this year’s WS our fanbase has grown so much. 1.5 million people went to the parade. It brings us together and we forget about stupid arguments like politics.
Thinking the Astros were the only ones to cheat like they did is comical
What? Are you mentally ill? Yeah cheat bc some people had a tough go. All cities are going through crap in America. They cheated and if was your blue jays that list you wouldn’t say this. Unless your a bottom
That win was so emotional for the city, and I will always remember the feeling of the city celebrating them together downtown for the parade. To go through something so traumatic and then watching our city come out a champ boosted everyones spritis in a way we hadn't thought possible. Those players were houston's heroes. So when it came out that they had cheated it SUCKED. but their success in the following years and last year's win brought back my love for them.
@@mmiller6281nah they are cheaters period.
Altuve has been elite yet again in 2021 after how dismal last year was. Unless the Astros have some new grand cheating scheme for hitters (which is very plausible but I have some doubts given how much more scrutiny theyre probably under from MLB officiating), I think that Altuve is just really good at baseball, regardless.
this man won batting titles, back in 2014, 2016. BEFORE the scandal. he’s a professional baseball player. if y’all actually look at evidence, the scheme hurt them more than benefited them. they were giving him bangs at his AB’s and you can look at videos of him getting frustrated with it. and if y’all believe he had buzzers, then y’all are dumb, for even listening to that fat dude jomboy and that women beater trevor bauer.
@@Devin03_ Astros fucked around and found out.They deserved all the scrutiny they are under. Sure, Altuve doesn't deserve this kind of treatment but with him being unclear and making it confusing really doesn't help him at all
Barry binds was a great player and an mvp but he juiced
Of course he’s really good. Never stopped other great players from cheating with PEDs or other things.
@@raz1683 there was nothing unclear or confusing about the curb stomping Altuve and the Astros placed upon the White Sox today
Even if he NEVER participated in the sign stealing scheme, ( which I doubt ); Altuve was well aware of the cheating going on with his teammates . If he disapproved, as he claims , then he should have said something . One ( former ) Astro came clean . The others are weasels whether active participants or not . They ALL benefited from the cheating .
If he doesn’t want to be booed, he could demand a trade and tell people why !
literally look at his batting averages, they didn't increase with the trash can thing
Given the fact that he still smacks 400 ft homers on a team that has made 7 straight ALCSs, 2 rings 4 pennants, I don't think he minds the booing. And do you really think the most hated player in the league would receive better treatment from fans if he went elsewhere? I doubt it considering stadiums chant "fuck altuve" during games the Astros aren't even playing at.
In fact, if people actually wanted Altuve to receive punishment, it seems the best way to do that is to STOP booing. 😂
@@H3ROShazam5623 I guarantee you all 29 other clubs would want Altuve on their team and would instantly forgive him if he joins them
He did say something, he told his teammates to stop and didn't want to be apart of it.
@@samihtameez8584doesn’t matter. He *KNEW* his team was cheating and stayed quiet about it.
I remember seeing a documentary on Altuve where he worked out other tired and played bottle cap baseball. Along with him being short, he was an inspiration to me and I even got his glove
it’s disappointing because i looked up to him as well and thought he was a really good dude. Everyone makes mistakes but idk what to think about him anymore.
@@Jacob-es5tv not an Astros fan, but I truly believe that he should be forgiven, especially because hes been proven to not cheat. He was good before the scandal and now after. He was stuck in a shitty situation and had to stay quiet because of the team he was on.
@@suppressed_viii “proven he did not cheat” lol whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. They cheated for 3 years. He doesn’t deserve to be forgiven. Stole a MVP from Judge, doesn’t deserve the World Series. If Pete Rose is banned for life for messing with the “integrity” of the game but yet you have an entire Astros team cheating with a player driven scheme and that isn’t considering messing with the integrity of the game, then there is something wrong here. Either Pete Rose gets unbanned from baseball or the entire Astros roster deserves to be banned.
@@larry2281 I know it really sucks knowing that he played for a cheating team and he somewhat benefited from it, he didn't cheat. He's been doing what he's been doing since he started playing in the majors. And while I think there needs to be an asterisk on all the awards and records, he should be recognized for being a damn good ballplayer. Miguel Cabrera, one of the greatest hitters to have played baseball, thinks he didn't cheat. David Ortiz has said the same thing. Cheating in baseball has been rampant since the beginning of baseball. And if teams can get away with Spider Tack and other substances, then I'll let Altuve slide on this one. It's easy to get mad and angry at a face, especially if its the star of the team that did it.
@@larry2281 And Pete Rose shouldn't be banned from baseball. He should be in the Hall, just like Barry should. Only reason Bonds isn't is because of the media, and they love holding the only power they have. Pete Rose should've been unbanned for a long time now but beanhead Manfred doesn't do anything right.
Okay yeah they never played in San Fran but they play Oakland like 3 times a year so it’s reasonable to go to San Fran from there
That part made me laugh, it really shows just how shitty online "investigators" can be.
@@tsarXadam lol I've done it myself its fucking 20 minutes.
Bro when he mentioned Oakland I died Lmaoooooo
Bro why would he go to San Francisco? He’s In Oakland traveling with his team
SF has a lot of good artists not sure about Oakland
Perfectly timed with Tepera’s comments today
😂😂😂😂😂
howd that work out for them? they got trash cans or cameras on the road?
I don't pay close attention to baseball, so context?
@@cbj4sc1 tepara acted like a little bitch when the white sox won one game. the next day they got shat on and lost the series
@@ligmaemperor7064 to be fair tho tepera pitched well the whole series
Even if those guys didn’t cheat, they’re still complicit in the biggest scandal in mlb history and barely got punished
Tbh I dont think they should be penalized for that. If we go with that logic, then we should penalize pretty much everyone who played in the steroid era, since they probably knew that some of their teammates were juicing but didn't do anything about it
just like every other team that cheated
what is he supposed to do? Rat on his team to the media? I'm sure that will help him land a new team in the spring...
@@tykeboy16 Mike Fiers did it and I respect him way more than Altuve or douchebag Bregman
@@andrewtaylor1492why would you not respect Altuve when he didn’t cheat?
It's funny. I'm a lifelong Yankee fan, and I seem to be one of the few Yankee fans I know that never hated Altuve, and that honestly didn't believe that he specifically had cheated. I was disgusted with others on that team, like Correa, who was the most defensive and unapologetic about the whole thing. I didn't sense that attitude with Altuve at all. To the contrary, throughout the whole scandal reveal and blowback, he just seemed to keep his head down and stay quiet. He has always come across to me like a person who's had to work hard and overachieve his whole life just to get a chance to succeed, due to his height. It honestly made no sense to me that someone who had worked so hard like that would then decide to start cheating, so this video's showing of Altuve not wanting to be involved with the scandal doesn't really surprise me. And I truly feel for him getting the brunt of the malice, as the face of the team. The fact that he struggled so mightily in 2020 isn't surprising at all, having to live with that every day.
Even moments after he hit the 2019 HR against Chapman and I watched him interviewed, he just came across as a genuinely humble person (and mind you, that's how I was seeing him just minutes after he had ended my team's season - in other words, I wasn't exactly perceiving that at a time when I was particularly happy with him). I don't know if that's how he really is, of course - it's just how I've seen him.
Fully agreed - I feel like Correa and Bregman attracted most of the hate to the Astros, rather than Altuve
@@dennischen5367 It's the reason why I'm not sure if the Yankees should go for the guy this offseason even though he said when wants to join the pinstripes. Bad enough that Correa was in deep more than Altuve. Plus we already have an elephant in the room with the time when Beltran was employed by the team for few years after his retirement...
Tuff luck cause Yankees and the Red Sox cheated too
@@GoodMemoriex red Sox were never proven to have cheated in 2018 and Cora was suspended for his Astros stuff. Get your facts straight.
Lifelong Yankee fan here as well and have hated only a few players and that was only briefly while they played against us. Time heels all wounds. For example I certainly don’t hate George Brett anymore, if I ever really did, as it was more fear than anything else.
Now as far as fans go, Red Sox fans in general I dislike, as they hate like no one else. Players on that team…it depended.
These days I couldn’t care less. I rarely watch any professional team sports these days.
Crowd: “CHEATER, CHEATER”
altuve: *hits 3 run homer
They got lit up like a Christmas tree haha 😂. 400 ft 3 run HR off the closer was the final nail in the coffin.
On the first pitch too
best way to shut them up lol
Had to go to game 7 even when cheating lol
That was a glorious “fk y’all “ to all the haters.
The tattoo could’ve taken two sessions no matter how small, depending on time restrictions or even excessive bleeding
Or if part way through he didn't like what he was seeing and wanted to go to someone else
You couldn’t see any tat and he changed his story and his lips seemed to make sense and the bandaid was kinda bisable
It was a thin word tattoo ….
@@avacadomangobanana2588 if you watch the video all the way through you can see his tattoo from a different angle in the same game. The video creator said that the view ur talking about is just a bad angle. Also if you watch the video all the way through, again, you can see that he says no camiza. Altuve doesn’t speak very good English, so it would make sense for him to speak Spanish
and the idea that his wife did not want him to take his shirt off still meshes with the tattoo story. If it was a bad tattoo his wife may not have wanted others to see it.
2:39 The into bro😭
Manager Dusty Baker said on Wednesday that the 2020 season was hard on everyone.
“Then in the middle of that (Altuve) had some deaths in his family which he didn’t say anything about.
There are things in life sometimes that people think don’t affect us and indeed they do.”
It must suck to be the one guy who didn't cheat yet still be the one most harassed.
I feel no pity.
lmfao if you really think hes some saint that didnt cheat
really?
@@wtfyomom
They do. Smh.
@Ownerthekpwner
Proof that he DIDN'T cheat at all? Do you not realize it is impossible to prove that kind of negative? You cannot PROVE that Judge "didn't cheat at all" when he hit 62 home runs. Can you prove he DIDN'T have some super secret kind of injections to improve his bat speed? Or implants to give him radar vision? Or help from space aliens?
What we have is the fact that the cheating charges made against Altuve were not backed up by the evidence, which should be enough for any fair-minded person to let it go.
Was at Fanfest 10yrs ago for a Q&A and Altuva told us the story of getting signed. Said the scout told him to be there and no one believed he was supposed to be there but the scout wasn't there to vouch. The next morning he was eating cereal on the couch watching tv and his dad told him to go back because what would it hurt in case the scout was there. Otherwise he would be just moping around watching TV and sitting on the couch all day. He went again and the scout was there and Altuve feels he owes his dad big time for getting his lazy butt off the couch that day. Pretty good story of a good father IMO.
Excellent mini doc, great work. Altuve doesn’t need forgiveness, but an apology would be nice. I was guilty of wrongful judgment. Go Braves 2024
I can't say whether he did or didn't cheat, but if baseball is anything it's a long line of cheating scandals. Like the ways pro teams and players have played the system is so interesting.
That'd be a good video, a timeline of baseball cheating scandals just because the MLB has is probably the most consistently documented sport in U.S. sports history. and there's gotta be some juicy scandals that have faded into history. Great content dude, Your content is excellent.
Yea but the main reason people are angrier now is bc teams r using electronics whereas in the past if u could figure out the signs by ur self it was seen as semi fair game
I remember when I was in my freshman year and hadn’t grown yet I always looked up to altuve. He was my hero and when the report came out it broke my heart. He still is one of my favorite players and have forgiven him
No forgiveness needed when he did nothing wrong. People should be apologizing to HIM.
Forgiven him for what? Did you not watch the video...
@@KonFry of course I watched it. I'm not talking about the video, I'm talking about "Baseball Doesn't Exist's" pinned comment: "Do you guys forgive Altuve yet?"
@@BrandonAEnglish My comment was directed at the original comment
Even if he was guilty have respect his grind but we need learn our failure and know what’s acceptable. I do feel like he’s innocent but sports fan are too dumb and ignorant to have empathy for a player.
This is the video we’ve all been waiting for.
altuve absolutely popping off right now is all the proof you need to know my precious altuve didnt cheat. dude is so clutch. astros in 6
Altuve doesnt say "i got a piece on, no" he says "La Camiza no"
It’s true
Doesn’t even matter. He was there, benefited, and never spoke up. Acquiesced. It’s like the felony murder rule. You participated, so you’re liable too even if you weren’t a robber or the shooter but only drove the getaway car.
@@ceebee8042 but almost everyone in the MLB cheats tho? So many cases of people and steroids SO MANY CASES of teams using PINE TAR. When the catcher goes to the pitcher to speak you always see them cover up their mouths so people cant read their lips and know what they are talking about why? Cuz they know people are watching and could relay that information to the other team you rarely see that in sports where players cover up their mouths so to me the MLB is a bunch hypocrites idk why the astros taking so much heat as if every other team was so pure and honest and they were the only rotten dirty ones.
Camisa*
Yeah, the video literally points that out.
He's not saying "I got a piece on. No!"
He's saying "La camisa no! La camisa no!" in Spanish which translates to "Not the shirt! Not the shirt!".
He points that out in the video. 13:50
Yeah, hit a walk off home run off Chapman to send your team to the World Series and the first thing that comes to your mind is “don’t rip off my jersey” and “let me go to the tunnel to change my shirt before my interview”
That’s normal. Quit defending cheaters bum. Delusional Astros fans.
Dude stfu! Chapman sucks! Every Stankees fans knows that!!!
@@johnnierico9644 subject changers this is about the little dude that cheats.
@@tc1225 I saw. I commented too early lol. Thanks for pointing it out.
He definitely doesn’t deserve to be completely absolved of wrong doing, however I feel like guys like Correa Bregman Springer and Gurriel all got a lot less flack for the cheating even though they were clearly documented to be the ones using the trash can system the most based on the audio evidence from games that we have.
he still cheated. theres zero chance the whole orginaization cheated and not him, these nerds are in denial. i have a bridge to sell you if you think altuve didnt cheat
I remember seeing twins fans justifying signing Marwin because he didn’t use the system that much even tho he used it the most lol
@@___________________. Marwin got the most out of it lmao
His 2017 stats vs the rest of his career make it obvious
Springer and Correa showed some emotion during their interviews and we’re sorry Bergman was not as far as gurrial I dunno
This is a question many of us will face in life. "Everyone on my team is cheating, what should I do?" Letting everyone else cheat and calling yourself a winner is not the answer.
Brother, this man was bathing in a river. It's easy for you to sit on a high horse about it, but playing MLB was the only thing he wanted to do, and the Astros are the only team that gave him a shot. It's basically a miracle he got there in the first place.
@bobbymiller7242 My friend, I came from nothing, paid every penny of undergrad and law school working as a waiter, a bus boy, a construction worker, a bartender and at a 7-11. I reached the highest levels you can reach as an attorney. All the way, I fought cheaters, often, if not always to my detriment, and I assure you I earned a tiny fraction of what this guy has made. No one, not from any background, earns the right to be a cheater. That's not a high horse, it's life, I'm a human being and it was my choice not to be a cheater and I don't condone cheating.
@@blairtinkle4563 All humans, rich or poor, are sinful. At some point or another, we have all considered taking the easy way out, including you.
@@SpFlash1523 nah dont make that judgement about him. considering and actually TAKING that way out are two different things as well.
@@SpFlash1523but only Altuve is allowed to lie and pretend he didn’t? Total whataboutism on your part
I knew nothing of this dude before this vid. I could care less about the conspiracy shit… this dude is 5’5” and made the majors!!! What level of grit, heart etc! Amazing
He wasn’t saying he has a piece. He’s a native Spanish speaker and was speaking in Spanish there. He was saying “no camisa no”, or something along those lines. Still suspicious as hell for sure, but he was simply just saying not to take his jersey off.
What is mind boggling to me is that Chapman threw two totally off the plate fastballs and then threw a curve ball in the middle of the plate... If you knew a curveball was coming the pitch to hit was the third one not the fourth which was actually out of the plate....
The fact this whole scandal (the buzzer one) started because a youtuber misread Altuve's lips and the fact that he is a diehard Yankees fan and he hasn't even had the decency to apologize to Altuve and Altuve all these years later had faced humiliation, ball thrown at him intentionally is beyond me.... People has to be held accountable not only for their but also for their comments
and to be fair those Astros teams did have a lot of players that has family from Latin America countries
@@pedromanuelsilvaoliveros909 and he previously walked Springer, all the balls were a fastball. It was obvious he couldnt locate his fastball, Altuve just sat, waiting for a slider or curve
I was a much bigger fan of baseball when I was younger. That being said, I can't get enough of these videos... very interesting.
The reason why Chapman was smiling after the Altuve home run was because he heard the trashcans banging
i am from venezuela, and when altuve signed, there was no lack of medicine or anything that you mentioned here in venezuela. And his dad encouraged him to go and insisted that he should go to the pedrique´s tryout after no team wanted him
so Altuve himself was lying when HE said he had to go shower in a river? Come on, don't protect La Revolucion anymore; nobody's buying that
@@gadget00 Maybe he was poor i dont know. but most people did not have to do that
My godmother is from Venezuela. You people have been in government and economic turmoil since the early 90s. If you really think your country is in adequate condition, especially now, you’ve been brainwashed.
The poorest country in South America…. This guy don’t miss a chance to talk bad about Venezuela, does he works for the government or what.
@@orlandoarevalo815 it’s a statistical fact. just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it less true
bringin altuve's family into the question is crossing the line
Good vid / overall message. Video really missed two key points: (1) Watch entire unedited clip of the celebration after the home run. He does not run into the dugout immediately, he's on the field celebrating for a solid 2 minutes. People edited this to make it look like he ran away from the cameras, adding to the "sketchiness." (2) Really skips over how much of a monster Altuve was at the plate in the 2020 post-season. Why focus on regular season at bat struggles / fielding errors when the scandal is about your ability to hit (and most importantly, hit in the post-season)?
You completely missed his point about the fielding errors. He wasn't making the argument that Altuve was worse because he was no longer cheating. He was saying Altuve made fielding errors due to a lack of confidence/getting psyched out by suddenly becoming the most hated player in baseball
Except he literally still cheated. Even if just a little or just that once. How you can even deny the shirt thing is laughable. You a homer or just like altuve because anyone not bias can see he cheated
@@kelseywhitlatch173 Even when all or most of the arguments saying he cheated on that ALCS walkoff were debunked on the video? Thats what a non biased and minimally inteligent people would take into consideration on their opinion
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Stop using the word literally. You obviously don’t know how it should be used.
Yes. as a rangers fan, I don't give a crap about the astros, but altuve is generous and a good human being
I've been saying this about altuve. Look at that AB vs chapman in the 2019 ALCS. First two pitches are fastballs wildly out of the zone. Chapman known for his lack of control and Chapman had one other pitch he can go to during this year which was his slider. 2-0 pitch, he hangs a slider for strike one. EVERYONE that was actually watching the game and knows baseball already knew what he's gonna throw for the 2-1 pitch. You didn't need to cheat to figure that out honestly. He hung another slider to send the astros to the WS. Chapman been choking look at the final game 2016 WS. The only reason it went to extras was because of Chapman. Some "fans" need to learn the sport a little more. I didn't like what Correa said during the interviews following the release of the scandal, but I believed him when he said Altuve didn't cheat.
Batting is like an oversimplified paper rock scissors, i called chapmans slider just like i called rendons fastball that correa smacked to give the astros a 2-1 lead today, if i can figure it out and i never went passed hs varsity ball then obviously world class hitters can too 😂
@@juancompeanjc I mean, oversimplified might be an exaggeration but I get what you're saying. I agree for the most part. But believe it or not, most fans don't see things in the way people who understand the game at a deeper level. It's the way it is. Ask 90% of the dodger fan base. Lol I love watching the dodgers, but Jesus Christ their fanbase is full of people who don't know anything about the sport.
Also the catcher didnt put down a sign on that homerun
Preach
Correa was caught lying but I believe this one thing he said about Altuve simply because I want to. Am I doing it right?
Altuve is one of my favorite active players in baseball. It's good to see someone defending him because he really doesn't deserve the hate he gets. I'm also really happy that Altuve had a great season this year
He did cheat it's all online there's a link on it
@@beardedxdeath I really don't care.
@@SchmidtyProductions27 u clearly do
@@beardedxdeath k
@@beardedxdeath You didn’t see the video did you?
i love how the Boston red Soxs probably cheated just as much but nobody talks about that
Yankees, Mets and Dodgers as well.
My uncle played for the White Sox in the 1990s. He said sign stealing from the outfield with a relay to the dugout has been going on since the 1970s at least. The pitchers and catchers know what to listen for and change the signs when they think something is suspicious. Sign stealing with binoculars has been around for 50+ years and all the teams know it. They needed a 'heel' and to get some media and stir things up (think bad guy, good guy like WWE) and the Astros were the perfect target: i.e. smaller viewer market, etc.
could not agree more!!👏👏
The red sox cheated in a different way that only worked with a runner on second so it had a much smaller impact than the astros every pitch
@@gracelayne3739 LOL, "they only cheated a LITTLE because they weren't as good at it... it's not the same".
José Altuve is probably one of the best players I know because every time I watch him it is so fun to watch both sides of the field😊😊❤❤
Amazing content as always man. Thank you for helping clear Altuve’s name even if it’s just a little bit 🙏
His name wasn't cleared. Made it worse
@@jeffnowak3144 How did it make it worse
@@jeffnowak3144 did you watch the video?
Why didn't he talk about whistles??? The whistle that everybody heard in chapman's throw?
If you want to see him as a good guy you will se him as a good guy and you'll show the evidence to prove your point.
Love this channel but not this video
@@Rolander8888 everyone on the planet knew Chapman was throwing slider there and he hung a meatball to an MVP and it was crushed. Just give it up lol
He's not saying "I got a piece on" he's saying "La camisa no", which means "Not the shirt".
Horse shite m8!!!
Yeah he clearly says it.
@@Windrammer he's not even fluent in English he probably doesn't even know what having a piece means
@Dick McBalls Bueno yo soy venezolano, igual que Altuve, creo que mi español es mejor que el tuyo.
either way it’s incriminating....he’s had his shirt ripped off before, it’s not uncommon for him. doesn’t make sense for him to go shy all of a sudden idk
I don't even watch baseball but these videos are fucking incredible. Masterful pacing and storytelling. I'd love a full length feature from this channel (maybe I'm being greedy and this anthology style is better). This is 30 for 30 level content though and I'm happy to have found this channel.
If Shoeless Joe Jackson had you, his legacy would still be intact.
lolololol
Altuve was my favorite player before the scandal came out. Thank you for showing me this.
I hope he stills your favorite player, haters shouldn't be able to rob you from things that you enjoy.
Still my favorite too don’t let these casual baseball fans change your view of Altuve or even the Astros, every mlb team cheats horribly the Astros just got caught
@@chaserichards8498 Multiple teams have been caught. Like the Red Sox cheated when they won in 2018, but nobody talks about that. MLB just made the Astros the scapegoat for it all and it worked perfectly
@@chaserichards8498 if every MLB team cheats horribly explain to me how Oakland and Minnesota suck
@@mistersunshine1330 how in the heck can you say oakland sucks? they were wrecking everybody this year up until the end
Altuve will always be one of my favorite players
Your favorite player is a cheater. Even if he didn't personally do it he knew his teammates were cheating and said nothing. Knowing his team is cheating and not doing anything about it also makes him a cheater
@@wildernesswolff9350 you don't snitch, ever
@@wildernesswolff9350 snitches get stitches
@@wildernesswolff9350 no, just don't in general
@@wildernesswolff9350 You don’t snitch. Ever.
Boston vs Houston 👌🏻 thanks Tepera for opening your mouth and awake the kraken 🤡 Altuve 5-3 with a three run home run 💪🏻
Really probably gonna bring back the trash cans for the series
As a Houstonian I have never stopped chearing for the Astros. I believe you stick with your teams no matter if you win or lose. Jose is a good dude that cares about our city and community.
I don't blame fans that hate on the Astros organization as a whole but I would offer a point to consider. The use of gaining a competitive edge using video equipment was more of a wide spread issue than we are made to believe. The Dodgers, Redsox and Yankees teams have had their own sign stealing schemes used during the same time period but no one wants to talk about that. The Astros have been made out to be the scapegoat for sign stealing ... sent out to die in the wilderness. #2022WorldSeriesChamps
To now learn Altuve tried out for the Rays... man just imagine if we had altuve, maybe we could've had a world series by now.
It would be interesting to see the players they would have gotten after they traded him before he would be a free agent
@@danielmoore8695
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You could have also had Josh Hamilton, but let’s face it, you guys dodged a major bullet by giving him to the Reds. As much as I empathize with his trauma, he proved a liability for every team he was on and has recently proved himself to be a true scumbag.
If you haven't yet I would love to see you make a video on Ty Cobb and how almost everything said about him is untrue
Altuve never said “I got a piece on, no! I got a piece on, no!” He said “La camisa, no! La camisa, no!”. That’s Spanish for “Not the shirt, not the shirt!”
No one ever thought he said “I got a piece on,” they always thought he said “La camisa, no.” Seems pretty sus that he hits a walkoff home run to send his team to the World Series and his first thought is “don’t take off my jersey”
@@Isaac-lt6fk cause he had a fucked up tattoo
@@Isaac-lt6fk His excuse was that his wife doesn't like it when he's shirtless in public. Seems reasonable knowing how some Venezuelan Women are. Then the team used the Tattoo excuse. To me, he's just a dude who's pretty shy and perhaps insecure about things. People just put all the blame on him. Dude is human too.
@UCb5mmhcugIq_d26wlupJy7w you’re full of shit… cause when Altive walked off this year against the Yankees they ripped his shirt off as taunt to the Yankees… don’t make up excuses for digusting acts…
Why didn’t Altuve stopped them then?
Yea the video creator REACHED all throughout this video..
He should have spoken up, but he didn't want to snitch on his team possibly. Everyone makes mistakes and i would forgive him.
Cheating isn’t a mistake. He sat by and watched it happen. He’s on the line for it just as much as the others.
@@beastlygamers7779found the dodger fan. Y’all have a long hx of cheating
@beastlygamers7779 too bad they won the ws again last year
@@beastlygamers7779 If you do something about it your team dumps you. Simple as that
@@zikalokof1challenge414i would prefer being dumped in another team than winning with cheaters and get my reputation hurt for the rest of my career - clearly will never get voted for the HOF
love the videos bro
If altuve wasn't so short it would be much more of a tall task to make short jokes about him
Poggers pun
…shit, that’s better than what I came up with lol
We'd be going to new heights
@@okayzimbabwe Ba dum tissssss
I got a piece on?! Bro he said “¡La camisa no!” 😂💀
he said that in the vid
Yep, any spanish speaker can clearly see it lol
Him saying “no not the shirt” “¡La casamia no! In English” is still shady as hell