If someone you don’t know makes a mistake in sports and you decide to break down and send death threats to their family, you should reevaluate your life and maybe turn off your TV.
That's been me for the past 10 years or so, and now I cheer for both teams (even though, I have my favorite team in mind) whenever I see sports on the television in the break-room at work or someone's home; however, I never sent death threats to any of the players or their families. It's part of the game to make errors and simply a game altogether. People are so worried about being better than everyone, that they forget to love and show a little empathy also.
Dude the death threat shit is just insane and should be prosecuted. I’m the biggest patriots fan ever and I’m upset Wes Welker dropped that pass (if you’re a football fan, you know the one) but I would NEVER want harm to befall him or his family. It’s a game. People who take it so seriously are deranged
I agree, but I didn't see a single death threat in this video. Not saying they don't happen, but I don't think they're as widespread as people would suggest.
Pretty crazy that Luis Castillo, the man who dropped a single popout against the Yankees one game and became the scapegoat in NY media, was also the batter who hit the foul ball to Bartman and began the Marlins' comeback. That is so baseball.
I will always remember hearing my high school coach say this to me after a playoff game win in where the other team heckled the umpires out of field. He said, "As much as you boys love and romanticize this game, others will always lust over the worst parts of it."
Maybe this happened, maybe it didn't. But somebody had to think of that very articulate, elopquently said line about both baseball and sport. And it gave me chills to read.
Bill Buckner was a hell of a hitter, 22 years and not once did he strike out more than two times in any given game. I'm so glad the curse is long over and he was embraced by the Red Sox and fans before he passed. It meant a lot to him.
I believe Buckner was injured when he missed the famous play at first base. He had a bad ankle, if I remember. Putting him in the game was a gamble that didn't pan out. He caught a ton of abuse for the play, but he did what he could. I can still see the look on his face when it happened. Ugh.
@@randyrobey5643 he was also near the end of his career and his body wasn’t able to put up the great defense at first base that he was known for throughout his career. I believe the reason he was in the game was because the starter had been lifted for a pinch runner and bill had been used as a pinch hitter the same inning
Buckner's story hit me in the feels for some reason. If you haven't seen it, there is a GREAT episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Bill gets redemption. Very funny episode but also made me feel really happy for him
I've been a baseball fan for over 40 years. More than people just playing baseball here, there are great life lessons to be had. First, this goes to show who your friends really are when things go south. The people making rude and obscene comments are the perfect example, and they could also use a good psychiatric evaluation. Two faced fans are the absolute worse. The true love of a fan comes through both the bitter and the sweet. It's a game. We're human, and we make mistakes. And I for one, have made many mistakes which have taught me great life lessons. I've learned best, the hard way. That's what I get for being so thick-headed.
Man, every sport needs a content creator like you. I have never cared about baseball and haven't been to a game in 5+ years (I would go just to spend time with friends and family) but I have been binging your videos today and really enjoy them. There's a lot of interesting things about the sport but because the game has never connected with me, just watching a game or hearing friends talk about the games doesn't do anything for me. Hearing all these stories and learning about the game is actually really interesting. I doubt I'll become a big fan/viewer of the games but it does make me appreciate the sport a lot more and I may check out Rockies games every now and then
Interestingly enough this episode was sponsored by one of the factors that takes fans from crazy to rioting and murder, and thats gambling. Losing a ton of money over one players mistake makes people go insane
Yeah. It's also the number one factor in why baseball is so blatantly rigged these days. Not just baseball. Pretty much any sport w/ active sports betting associated with it.
@@kenosabi NFL and NBA are definitely rigged, officials can easily control the outcome. Not sure about baseball though, seems like it'd be harder to rig.
@@baseballprodz13 because apparently faking a mistake like that that can result in fans and media hating you for the rest of your life is a calculated well thought out "plan"
Jim Mason in 1976 is one example of an unknown player who suddenly became amazing in the postseason. Mark Lemke did it with Atlanta in the early 1990s. So many wonderful examples.
Bryce Harper just had the swing of his life in game 5 of the NLCS. Not saying it's one of the best hits ever, but it's gotta be the biggest hit of this postseason and one of the biggest in Phillies history. Yordan's walkoff against the M's is up there too but Bryce's home run sent them to the WS.
I was watching the game when the Buckner error happened. He was in a crouch stance 20 feet behind the bag. He also had the worst knees in Baseball. On the other hand, Mookie Wilson was one of the fastest runners in Baseball and by the time the ball reaches Buckner, Mookie was nearly halfway down the line running full speed. I've seen the replay 50 times since then and my opinion has not changed. Even if Buckner fields the ball cleanly there's no way he beats Mookie to the bag. And yet he's had to live with the shame of that error for all these years. Man, talk about cruel fate.
@@KaneGruber Well, it wasn't up to him. It was up to manager John McNamara, who made many awful managerial decisons that World Series. Mets' manager Davey Johnson was nearly as bad himself. It was a strange Series.
@artfuldp You are 1000% correct. Mookie Wilson was insanely fast. Bob Stanley didn't get off the mound fast enough for Buckner to feel that he could go to a knee, catch it and toss it to Stanley covering first. The official scorer ruled it E3 as opposed to an infield hit for Mookie, but the official scorer was wrong.
Luis Castillo was an awesome player. He helped the Marlins win 2 world series. When I was a kid he spent 10 mins. at a game talking to me and my dad. He was nothing but a CLASS ACT. Nobody is perfect.
Watch the great Ken Burns documentary simply titled, Baseball. It's not just a documentary about baseball but of American life from the mid 1800s through 2007. Buck O'Neil, a Negro League star, tells one of the greatest baseball stories I've ever heard about a faceoff in the Negro League World Series between Satchel Paige and Josh Gibson. Arguably the best pitcher and hitter of that era.
I remember the Jim Rooker thing. The game was in June, and he had to postpone the Philly-to-Pittsburgh walk until after the season, but he turned it into a charity event and made the best of it after the season ended. Good on him.
I’m a diehard baseball fan. I did step away for a few years, but I came back to it because I just love this game. I’m a diehard Orioles fan. Any fan will know what I’m talking about, but we should’ve brought in Zack Britton. If you know you know. But I could never even contemplate, let alone act on, sending death threats to anyone involved. At the end of the day, it literally is just a game. It literally has no bearing on your life. We just love rooting for our team. But if your teams wins or loses, it doesn’t matter. You’re going to wake up, brush your teeth, maybe take a shower, make breakfast, and start your day at work. Your life will go on. Sending death threats for a human being making a mistake, something ALL OF US do, is what an unstable person does. And if you’re one of those people, you need to put the phone down, and seek help. It’s insanity at its peak. Completely uncalled for.
and these people ALWAYS use the excuse of "if this was in the workplace, you would be fired." It is such an asinine response. Unless your boss is a complete and total douchebag who wants a wrongful termination lawsuit on their hands, you would very likely NOT get fired over one mistake, with the exception of a mistake resulting in someone dying or getting seriously injured. Last time I checked, a poor game doesn't result in someone dying or getting injured.
Id say the ownership of sports team are worse. Taking tax money from the cities they play in to build/renovate stadiums and then charging ridiculous money for tickets and concessions. Look at Oakland- they are about to lose their second team because their owners didnt get what they wanted and fucked over the fans.
It’s funny because 90% of the people tweeting those things have never played baseball, and don’t understand the pressure and the fact that every player has these errors. They will happen to every player no matter what.
As a cubs fan I’m disgusted by what my fellow fans did. At the time I was a kid and yeah, it hurt, but I was over it by next season and never knew how bad it was. As I got older and found out and was absolutely infuriated and felt so bad for him.
Even by next season is a long time. Unless you're a player, there's no reason to ever get that upset over a sport. At least not enough to actually effect someone else's life.
ruclips.net/video/vq8G81oOHhY/видео.html pause at 0:20... just two people including him, and he's the one with his hands and part of his arms clearly extended into the field of play.
I really think that a lot of people who make death threats like that have bet their life savings on the game and blaming the players for their loss... Its really sad
Yeah I agree if anything it makes “you” a loser and C*nt to make death threats or whatever. mistakes happen but it’s how we bounce back from this game/series or season.
This is one of the best baseball videos and channel on RUclips HANDS DOWN……you can tell you put a lot of work and you worked hard on this video and it show…..keep up the good work
As a Braves fan I will always love Brooks Conrad, I got to walk the warning track at Turner Field when I was a kid and he was the only one that waved back to me and he had a huge smile the whole time
I remember him hitting multiple pinch hit home runs to win games for the braves. In fact, before that playoff game me and my friends actually called him “clutch Conrad.”
I always find the cognitive dissonance amazing about the Bartman incident. You have like 6 people trying to catch it, yet Bartman gets all the heat. More then enough people wanted to catch the ball, yet none of em get any life problems from those same Cubs fans. Insane.
People blamed it all on Bartman and not the Cubs completely imploding after that happened... so silly. Alou reacting as if Bartman had just done the worst thing imaginable made it a lot worse too I think.
@@cordobamintal897 It's also not hard to understand why the other people also attempting to interfere would get shit for it. If someone is persecuted for doing something you would usually be persecuted for attempting it. Doesn't make much sense to say "My attempt to interfere with the game was okay but him interfering was wrong."
What’s the analysis for the Jose Mesa choke in the World Series? It was the one play that made him and Omar Vizquel (who had previously been friends) enemies. Vizquel wrote a book about it, and publicly shamed Mesa in it. Mesa then said that if he faces Vizquel, he’ll hit him, and if he charges the mound, he’ll kill him
this guy should have way more subscribers and views, his mini documentaries on baseball are just insane and he narrates them so well. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into these man.
I think the problem is he has some pretty bad takes. Don't get me wrong I love this channel too and I think it's good to listen to opinions that differ from my own. But he has videos on: how Altuve is innocent, how Bauer is a good guy he was just bullied a lot, and how Machado throwing bats at people and cleating 1st baseman is ok because he just plays baseball hard. BDE really puts out amazing and in depth content it's just that sometimes the points he tries to make are extremely wrong.
What makes these situations a 1000 times worse are the commentators initial reactions to the play or them talking about it for the rest of the game & the cameraman keeping the camera in your face for the rest of the game 😂
That was the case with Steve Bartman. I was only 10 years old, but I remember SportsCenter egging on about that play on repeat, and I felt ashamed of ESPN painting him as a scapegoat Bartman didn't deserve that... Maybe 1%, but the guy had nothing to do with the outcome.
@@meucanal9582 well if they are ruining players life for mistakes they made why cant we do that to the fans that are looking like 5 year olds complaining about players
@@spazz7957 because no one cares about joe blow. Probably some of these Twitter account are inactive. You would be screaming into the void of the unknown. But whatever helps y'all sleep
I was watching the '86 series as a BoSox fan, of course. My friend and I were shocked that Buckner went back into the game on defense in the bottom of that fateful inning. The Sox had a backup fist baseman known for his defense, but to our chagrin, he didn't come into the game. That's baseball...a game of inches, bad hops, and missed opportunities.
i love watching old videos from his channel and comparing the enthusiasm in his voice from the beginning to now. such an underrated channel!! love your work!!
Being a Mets fan (and Knicks and basically all my teams) I get bring pissed off in the moment. But sending a player and his family death threats over a mistake, unbelievably stupid.
Cubs fan here. I think I can safely speak for most of my fellow fans when I say that we feel awful for how Steve Bartman was treated and he never deserved any of it. A lot of us have felt this way since before the Cubs finally won it all in 2016.
I remember my dad's reaction to that whole thing a few days after, he was staring at a news report about Bartman saying something like 'Alex Gonzalez is a lucky man, cause that could have been him"
@@staidenofanarchy I'm not gonna lie, I was just as mad at Bartman as anyone else was.......until Gonzo(who lead all NL SS in fielding% that year, by the way) dropped a routine 2 hopper that should've gotten us out of the inning still with the lead. Once that happened, I wasn't really that mad at Bartman anymore.
I was at the game when Myles Straw jumped onto the fence. The hecklers were actually the people sitting in front of me. I will never forget how crazy that game was.
From what I know, the Red Sox put Bill at 1st base at that point in the game because he was a baseball veteran and it was near the end of his career anyway (so like an act of appreciation for all that he did in his career). Apparently, the man was so hated in Boston after the game he had to move himself and his family to Idaho because of the backlash. He would stay there for the remainder of his life btw. Just remember that when you watch back the footage on that ground ball mistake Buckner made, you are essentially watching the worst day of someone's life second by second.
What makes this so infuriating is none of those fans could even begin to do the things mlb players do on a daily basis and yet still get so mad at them
@@astroeclispe3847 I'm surprised you like this so much. This video represents sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE. As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets: 1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now. 2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name?? 3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat. 4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch. (5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).) Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really?? Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips. Do your homework, BDE.
@@astroeclispe3847 I only see one comment from you, and it starts with "also", so maybe I'm missing something. Anyway, you talk trash but know little. Do you really believe there were 50,000 threats on Bartman's life? Perhaps a million? I'd say more like three.
@@MrEazyE357 Jomboy curses endlessly, which is very unnecessary, but his accuracy is about 99%. Then there is BDE... This video represents sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE. As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets: 1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now. 2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name?? 3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat. 4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch. (5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).) Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really?? Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips. Do your homework, BDE.
@@jimwerther I’d rather watch some inaccurate stuff than listen to Jomboy slurp the Yankees every 4 days. That dude is such a homer in the most toxic way
Having just gotten into baseball as an adult I have to say the over all attitude and atmosphere in the entire space is absolutely insane compared to any other sport and I am infatuated by it.
I can't think of 1986 without also thinking of Donny Moore, even if it has turned out that the one play in question did less to ruin his life than everyone wanted to believe at the time.
As a Cubs fan everybody knows the story of Brant Brown who was our outfielder and backup first baseman in 1998 dropped a ball in the outfield against the brewers that cost us the game and almost cost us the wild card that year.he ended up becoming a pariah in Chicago because of one of Ron Santos most infamous calls in Cubs radio history for his heartbreaking scream of no when Brant dropped the ball made fans instantly turn on him he got traded to Pittsburgh the following year was never the same and ended up playing in the independent leagues and to this day his name has a bad taste in Cubs fans mouths as bad as bartman
The people sending death threats are ridiculous I never understood why people who aren’t even on the team and most likely can’t play take things to those extremes
I think a big part of it is the rise of east sports betting allowing certain people who really should not have access to things like fanduel to risk money they can’t afford to lose. I refuse to believe people will actually put their own lives in danger to go to a players house to intimidate them if all they have on the line is some fan clout.
There are plenty of sports fans who have had parasocial relationships with teams & players, long before the word even existed... and obsession is a far more dangerous motivator than gambling losses. Passion drives more illogical behaviour than desperation.
"I refuse to believe people will actually put their own lives in danger to go to a players house to intimidate them if all they have on the line is some fan clout." Just because you refuse to believe it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Human beings don't need much motivation to do evil things.
@@thychepe2276 Sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE. As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets: 1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now. 2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name?? 3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat. 4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch. (5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).) Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really?? Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips. Do your homework, BDE. PS - What in the world does his channel name mean, anyway?
Peter Moylan, one of the best people that has ever played the game of baseball, shared once that when he was in LA, he had a fan pestering him and the other players in the Braves bullpen. One fan took it too far, saying what he would do to Moylan's wife and daughter. Moylan told the fan that they could throw hands right there if they needed to. He then had the fan thrown out of the stadium. You can't take it that far as a fan, ever.
My dad's from Reggio Calabria, which is the poorest region of Italy. His cousin was what basically amounted to a AAA soccer player, and after a ref blew a call they had to call in a helicopter to extract the the ref. The fans had blocked off all the exits, and were waiting to kill the ref. MLB fans are nuts, but soccer fans are on a different level. Great video as always, by the way.
That Phillies-Dodgers game is why teams should not just take the pressure off as soon as they build a substantial lead. There's often an expectation that you should just stop trying to play well once you've got a big lead, but this makes no sense. If you put in all your scrubs, you're giving the opposition a chance to come back. And you don't want them to come back.
Should have mentioned Will Craig, since that’s kind of the opposite. He had an silly error on a bad pirates team in a game they were already losing early in the third inning, in may, and he got so bullied, not even by the fans, but by the national sports media, he retired from the MLB moved to Japan within a month. People literally compared his meaningless error to Buckners! Insane!
People who get this toxic over what is in the end a kids game for money always disappoint me. Baseball is my passion. But these are human beings. People who act like these clowns aren’t true fans.
About that Rivera blown save that cost the Yankees the World Series, Tim McCarver said that "bringing the Yankees infield in was a mistake. If anyone could hit Rivera's cutter, it would be a broken bat hit into shallow outfield." The VERY NEXT PITCH, Gonzalez hit a broken bat flyball that would have been caught at normal infield depth.
Reminds me of the abuse that Donnie Moore received after giving up the home run to the Red Sox in the ALCS in 1986. Dude was already having emotionally trying times. Not that was the catalyst to his eventual suicide and attempted murder of his wife but there had to have some contribution to it.
I don’t see how fans could go in on Murphy over the error. Guys like him and Howie Kendrick are referred to by many as “professional hitters”. They are gonna give you great offensive performances, clutch hits, hit for both average and power and can hit very well situationally. However, they will also give you below average defensive play which includes errors. It’s just who they are, not a wild underperformance or choke.
I have no problem with fans sending hate to players, if you screw up, expect to get fans saying mean things about you, but sending legitimate death threats or doxing players on social media is where I draw a line in the sand. That is where I’m no longer on the fans side.
Honestly can say I've never been so upset over a pro athlete making a bad play that shiting on them via social media seemed reasonable. Try to always humble my rage by reminding myself I couldn't do what they are doing half as good as they do on their bad days.
* Inaccurate. BDE makes many, many mistakes. This video represents sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE. As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets: 1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now. 2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name?? 3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat. 4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch. (5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).) Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really?? Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips. Do your homework, BDE.
Thanks for addressing the increasingly outrageous fan insanity. A topic really worthy of "transparency." Starting with hometown TV commentators, who routinely, either ignore or joke about the madness, and with print and digital media looking for a "story" to sell, positive encouragement has metastasized into ugly and brutish lunacy.
It isn’t really fair how players get these threats and hated when the people making them can’t even do what they do on a good day or even get into the majors
Really not. Sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE. As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets: 1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now. 2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name?? 3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat. 4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch. (5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).) Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really?? Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips. Do your homework, BDE.
It’s definitely worth the paywall. Any die hard Mets fan should watch it. It takes about there 85 season in detail. It’s a wonderful story. Not even a Mets fan but sports junkie. I loved it. Probally best documentary on ESPN 30 for 30 now.
@@Deeaannoo 85 season? Did you fat finger 86? I'm generally allergic to paying for such stuff, pbly an OCD thing. Eventually these things do tend to find a way onto YT.
Just discovered this channel....maybe because I'm drunk at 3:16 in the morning on a Friday night....but your data and analysis are SUPERLATIVE!! You got a new sub!!
The way Steve bartman was treated by Chicago is despicable. Maybe you should get mad at your team for absolutely shitting the bed by giving up EIGHT runs in one inning than some guy. Let's face it, that ball was no gimmie. Don't worry, you're paying for it with the Chicago bears being a joke
Bartman didn't do himself any favors by being such a nudnik. But the fans saw a chance to direct their vitriol and frustration at a scapegoat after being deprived of a winner for over 100 years, and they unfortunately took it. I'm in Chicago and was a Cubs fanatic back then, and I certainly didn't blame Bartman for the Cubs losing. Yeah, he should have been more mindful of the situation and backed away to give the fielder a chance, but I think most fans in that situation would instinctively go for the ball.
That ump in 85 in St Louis got so many threats, for so long, that the MLB never had him ump games in STL ever again. That hadn't happened before and it hasn't happened since. St Louis has lots of churches, but it has one temple that everyone shares: Busch stadium. If you commit baseball heresy there you will be run out of town forever.
The Yankees (extreme elitists that actively boo any player on their own team who isn’t the next Babe Ruth), the Dodgers (have a personality cult that puts them above everyone else and extends beyond their own fandom, with LA residents often going to games just to harass other people and other MLB fans bending over backwards to defend them), the Red Sox (because Boston), and the Phillies (beyond the Philadelphia stigma, are also known for having an extreme victim complex and often feel that they are owed victories from other teams due to their erroneous history of being a team that always loses).
1 Yankees (classless obnoxious violent loudmouth racist drunks who make Bruins fans look polite) 2 Bruins (History of Racist behaviour, ask Joel Ward, P.K. Subban and Wayne Simmons about hearing racist slurs at Boston games) 3 Patriots (Bandwagons and they condone cheating) 4 Texas Rangers (violent and glorify violence) 5 Dallas Cowboys (Equivalent of Leafs fans on steroids)
Braves fans of the 90s might remember Lonnie Smith as the scapegoat for losing the 91 WS 1-0 in the 10th inning of game 7 in Minneapolis. I doubt there was any scoring to give him credit for this in history, but I've spoken to many people over the years that remember it this way. If Lonnie scores (and everything else goes the same way), then the Braves really do go from Worst to First, but instead they only got to be Worst to First in the NL. Just at a glance it's also fair to give credit to Chuck Knoblach for heroically duping the Braves out of the World Series, and also the third base coach (Jimmy Williams if memory serves) doesn't seem to be helping things. The video of that play is here: ruclips.net/video/eM5kHJUBRSE/видео.html
A couple of years ago, the Arkansas Razorbacks were in the College World Series. They were up 1 game to 0 in the 3 game series, leading in the 2nd game until the ninth. On what should've been the last out, the other team ( I can't remember who exactly) hit an infield fly ball that should've been routinely caught. It was dropped and the team eventually scored to both tie and win. In game 3, the other team won again
I absolutely loved Daniel Murphy on the Mets. That series, I blamed Matt Harvey for wanting a bigger moment than he could handle and Terry for letting him do it
In the grand scheme of things, it's just a game. All of this is just a game. Even more so for fans. We watch these games, get pissed at a bungled play, then turn the TV off and go to bed. I can't imagine a fan being so disconnected from reality that they think harassing, stalking, and otherwise threatening a player is a good idea.
People are crazy. Sports fans exponentially so. In Dallas in the 90s I was often bemused by my fellow bar patrons whose self-worth and identity were wound up with something they had no control of. Bread and circuses. Circuses the ultimate distraction.
You could even partially blame Gedman (Redsox catcher) for not stopping that ball. As far as wild pitches goes, that one Stanley threw was very tame. And given the immense importance of the situation, that was definitely a move your body and stop it rather than reaching across your body. Regardless the Sox were destined to lose that series. I accepted that...like 2 days ago. But i have accepted it.
Was late to a Red Sox / Rays game once at Fenway Park. At the top of the 3rd it was 8-0 Tampa and everyone was leaving. We had good seats but ended up moving to a field box 3rd base side. Final score was 10-13 Sox.
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Can you give us your World Series predictions?
@Minecraft Master no bitc you don’t need validation
@Minecraft Master idgaf i told you anyways
You sir have never once missed. Another banger
fans can be nuts, but man that story of Jim actually making a charity walk from Philly to Pittsburgh is so wholesome. what an awesome guy
That was funny. Reminds me of when heavy metal singer, Joakim walked to 350 miles to Trondheim, Norway from Sweden.
It had real jomboy "if this guy hits a grand slam I'll eat a packet of crickets" vibes
Secret Base has a retrospective, too. "How to Score 10 Runs in the First Inning and Lose" is a great watch
@@howardbaxter2514 That was funny. Reminds me of when Vietnam veteran Forrest Gump ran across the country. If he was going somewhere, he was runnin’.
Only cause the team lost lmao
ok but that broadcaster is a G for sticking with his promise to walk to philly
Edit: thanks for the likes
secret base has a great dorktown episode about this game and that promise, called "how to score 10 in the first inning and still lose"
He said it in public on national television, essentially making an oath to the Styx...
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 what a strange thing to say 🤔
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 only white people actually (jews aren’t white)
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 ……….. what the fuck does that even mean?
If someone you don’t know makes a mistake in sports and you decide to break down and send death threats to their family, you should reevaluate your life and maybe turn off your TV.
Nah you need to admit yourself to an asylum
That's been me for the past 10 years or so, and now I cheer for both teams (even though, I have my favorite team in mind) whenever I see sports on the television in the break-room at work or someone's home; however, I never sent death threats to any of the players or their families. It's part of the game to make errors and simply a game altogether. People are so worried about being better than everyone, that they forget to love and show a little empathy also.
Maybe you’re just a fair weather fan. As a fan if I can kidnap the umpire’s dog before a 7 game series then I know I’ve done everything in my power.
Like every worthless Lakers fan?
@@jakeplumber1373 Alright, which Laker team over the years made your baby ass cry?
Dude the death threat shit is just insane and should be prosecuted. I’m the biggest patriots fan ever and I’m upset Wes Welker dropped that pass (if you’re a football fan, you know the one) but I would NEVER want harm to befall him or his family. It’s a game.
People who take it so seriously are deranged
I agree, but I didn't see a single death threat in this video. Not saying they don't happen, but I don't think they're as widespread as people would suggest.
@@g-manjams he probably didnt show any on purpose, youtube can be strict nowadays
@@womp47 guaranteed though that Twitter is more strict than RUclips. If Twitter allows it, RUclips allows it.
@@g-manjams Twitter is only stricter than RUclips if you're on the wrong side of the political aisle from their now former owners and board members.
I think it might be worse nowadays with the ever increasing amount of gambling going on on sports.
Pretty crazy that Luis Castillo, the man who dropped a single popout against the Yankees one game and became the scapegoat in NY media, was also the batter who hit the foul ball to Bartman and began the Marlins' comeback. That is so baseball.
i remember listening to that game.
that is fucking insane
whut the actual fu-
I will always remember hearing my high school coach say this to me after a playoff game win in where the other team heckled the umpires out of field. He said, "As much as you boys love and romanticize this game, others will always lust over the worst parts of it."
Brilliant
Why didn't the Umps take control of the situation? Where I played they would've been thrown off the field immediately.
Things the never happened for 1000 alex
@@colingriffin4463 /r/nothingeverhappens
Maybe this happened, maybe it didn't. But somebody had to think of that very articulate, elopquently said line about both baseball and sport. And it gave me chills to read.
Bill Buckner was a hell of a hitter, 22 years and not once did he strike out more than two times in any given game. I'm so glad the curse is long over and he was embraced by the Red Sox and fans before he passed. It meant a lot to him.
I believe Buckner was injured when he missed the famous play at first base. He had a bad ankle, if I remember. Putting him in the game was a gamble that didn't pan out. He caught a ton of abuse for the play, but he did what he could. I can still see the look on his face when it happened. Ugh.
Best mustache in baseball.
@@randyrobey5643 he was also near the end of his career and his body wasn’t able to put up the great defense at first base that he was known for throughout his career. I believe the reason he was in the game was because the starter had been lifted for a pinch runner and bill had been used as a pinch hitter the same inning
Buckner's story hit me in the feels for some reason. If you haven't seen it, there is a GREAT episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Bill gets redemption. Very funny episode but also made me feel really happy for him
@Fromulus
Buckner got a lot of hits, but didn't walk much. Back then people didn't pay attention to his low OBP. And he was never great in the clutch.
A wise man once said:
Life is like a game of Tetris. All your achievements disappear, while your mistakes start piling up.
nobody said that you made that up
@@syntaxvirtual JESUS ItS A JOKE
@@ifffyreviews i don’t care
Honestly phenomenal quote
@@syntaxvirtual ya well others do so keep yourself out of the conversation
I've been a baseball fan for over 40 years. More than people just playing baseball here, there are great life lessons to be had. First, this goes to show who your friends really are when things go south. The people making rude and obscene comments are the perfect example, and they could also use a good psychiatric evaluation. Two faced fans are the absolute worse. The true love of a fan comes through both the bitter and the sweet. It's a game. We're human, and we make mistakes. And I for one, have made many mistakes which have taught me great life lessons. I've learned best, the hard way. That's what I get for being so thick-headed.
Man, every sport needs a content creator like you. I have never cared about baseball and haven't been to a game in 5+ years (I would go just to spend time with friends and family) but I have been binging your videos today and really enjoy them. There's a lot of interesting things about the sport but because the game has never connected with me, just watching a game or hearing friends talk about the games doesn't do anything for me. Hearing all these stories and learning about the game is actually really interesting. I doubt I'll become a big fan/viewer of the games but it does make me appreciate the sport a lot more and I may check out Rockies games every now and then
Interestingly enough this episode was sponsored by one of the factors that takes fans from crazy to rioting and murder, and thats gambling. Losing a ton of money over one players mistake makes people go insane
Yeah. It's also the number one factor in why baseball is so blatantly rigged these days. Not just baseball. Pretty much any sport w/ active sports betting associated with it.
@@kenosabi NFL and NBA are definitely rigged, officials can easily control the outcome. Not sure about baseball though, seems like it'd be harder to rig.
Every sport has its outcomes rigged by the league for sports betting.
@@363.2McMastershow tf do u take a mistake like these? baseball is a game of failure. nothing is rigged or planned. or just happnes
@@baseballprodz13 because apparently faking a mistake like that that can result in fans and media hating you for the rest of your life is a calculated well thought out "plan"
It would be cool to see a mirror of this. How one play can make a career. Looking at the plays with the highest WPA in the playoffs
Probably David Freese in the 2011 WS
Look up baseball bits: the most important hit ever, he has a video on it
People tend to forget those because “those are things you should be able to do”
Jim Mason in 1976 is one example of an unknown player who suddenly became amazing in the postseason. Mark Lemke did it with Atlanta in the early 1990s. So many wonderful examples.
Bryce Harper just had the swing of his life in game 5 of the NLCS. Not saying it's one of the best hits ever, but it's gotta be the biggest hit of this postseason and one of the biggest in Phillies history. Yordan's walkoff against the M's is up there too but Bryce's home run sent them to the WS.
I was watching the game when the Buckner error happened. He was in a crouch stance 20 feet behind the bag. He also had the worst knees in Baseball. On the other hand, Mookie Wilson was one of the fastest runners in Baseball and by the time the ball reaches Buckner, Mookie was nearly halfway down the line running full speed. I've seen the replay 50 times since then and my opinion has not changed. Even if Buckner fields the ball cleanly there's no way he beats Mookie to the bag. And yet he's had to live with the shame of that error for all these years. Man, talk about cruel fate.
"You Buckner'd it!!"- Larry David
And the only reason Buckner was still on the field was because he wanted to be there when they won.
@@KaneGruber
Well, it wasn't up to him. It was up to manager John McNamara, who made many awful managerial decisons that World Series. Mets' manager Davey Johnson was nearly as bad himself. It was a strange Series.
@artfuldp
You are 1000% correct. Mookie Wilson was insanely fast. Bob Stanley didn't get off the mound fast enough for Buckner to feel that he could go to a knee, catch it and toss it to Stanley covering first. The official scorer ruled it E3 as opposed to an infield hit for Mookie, but the official scorer was wrong.
Once the game was tied the Mets were no doubt winning that game, so the Buckner error didn’t even matter. That’s my view of it
Luis Castillo was an awesome player. He helped the Marlins win 2 world series. When I was a kid he spent 10 mins. at a game talking to me and my dad. He was nothing but a CLASS ACT. Nobody is perfect.
I never really liked baseball, but your channel has made me grow an appreciation for the culture and history of the sport. Thank you.
Keep watching. Baseball is a great game.
Same with me. The video creation team for this channel do a great job
Watch the great Ken Burns documentary simply titled, Baseball. It's not just a documentary about baseball but of American life from the mid 1800s through 2007. Buck O'Neil, a Negro League star, tells one of the greatest baseball stories I've ever heard about a faceoff in the Negro League World Series between Satchel Paige and Josh Gibson. Arguably the best pitcher and hitter of that era.
I remember the Jim Rooker thing. The game was in June, and he had to postpone the Philly-to-Pittsburgh walk until after the season, but he turned it into a charity event and made the best of it after the season ended. Good on him.
I’m a diehard baseball fan. I did step away for a few years, but I came back to it because I just love this game. I’m a diehard Orioles fan. Any fan will know what I’m talking about, but we should’ve brought in Zack Britton. If you know you know. But I could never even contemplate, let alone act on, sending death threats to anyone involved. At the end of the day, it literally is just a game. It literally has no bearing on your life. We just love rooting for our team. But if your teams wins or loses, it doesn’t matter. You’re going to wake up, brush your teeth, maybe take a shower, make breakfast, and start your day at work. Your life will go on. Sending death threats for a human being making a mistake, something ALL OF US do, is what an unstable person does. And if you’re one of those people, you need to put the phone down, and seek help. It’s insanity at its peak. Completely uncalled for.
2016
I like how you said MAYBE take a shower lol
“If we lose its a shame”
We really have some batshit extremists taking that line way past what it means
and these people ALWAYS use the excuse of "if this was in the workplace, you would be fired." It is such an asinine response. Unless your boss is a complete and total douchebag who wants a wrongful termination lawsuit on their hands, you would very likely NOT get fired over one mistake, with the exception of a mistake resulting in someone dying or getting seriously injured. Last time I checked, a poor game doesn't result in someone dying or getting injured.
Moral of the story: sports fans can be one of the worst things about sports
Yup acting like these aren’t people who make mistakes like the fans watching
Id say the ownership of sports team are worse. Taking tax money from the cities they play in to build/renovate stadiums and then charging ridiculous money for tickets and concessions. Look at Oakland- they are about to lose their second team because their owners didnt get what they wanted and fucked over the fans.
Absolutely. They can be real assholes.
Fans in general
@@ugottmeit's not mutually exclusive
It’s funny because 90% of the people tweeting those things have never played baseball, and don’t understand the pressure and the fact that every player has these errors. They will happen to every player no matter what.
As a cubs fan I’m disgusted by what my fellow fans did. At the time I was a kid and yeah, it hurt, but I was over it by next season and never knew how bad it was. As I got older and found out and was absolutely infuriated and felt so bad for him.
Even by next season is a long time. Unless you're a player, there's no reason to ever get that upset over a sport. At least not enough to actually effect someone else's life.
Y’all deserved to go another 100 years without another World Series win
I love that Steve Bartman was one of at least 3 fans that were trying to catch that ball but he got 100% of the blame
About 8 actually
And what's fucked up about that, he's a lifetime cubs fan.
And that no one gets mad at prior or Gonzalez, who could have made one play and got out of the jam with the lead still.
Also there’s no guarantee Alou catches the ball anyway
ruclips.net/video/vq8G81oOHhY/видео.html pause at 0:20... just two people including him, and he's the one with his hands and part of his arms clearly extended into the field of play.
Thank you for making a video on this, fans are completely out of control, let the players play my goodness…
I really think that a lot of people who make death threats like that have bet their life savings on the game and blaming the players for their loss... Its really sad
That's nice you try to give a "justifiable" reason, but a lot of people are giant assholes because that's just their personality.
Yeah I agree if anything it makes “you” a loser and C*nt to make death threats or whatever. mistakes happen but it’s how we bounce back from this game/series or season.
No they're just adult babies
Then that’s on them, no need to take it out on the player for making a mistake in a game
All those non playing shit talkers acting like they could do better
This is one of the best baseball videos and channel on RUclips HANDS DOWN……you can tell you put a lot of work and you worked hard on this video and it show…..keep up the good work
As a Braves fan I will always love Brooks Conrad, I got to walk the warning track at Turner Field when I was a kid and he was the only one that waved back to me and he had a huge smile the whole time
I remember him hitting multiple pinch hit home runs to win games for the braves. In fact, before that playoff game me and my friends actually called him “clutch Conrad.”
I always find the cognitive dissonance amazing about the Bartman incident. You have like 6 people trying to catch it, yet Bartman gets all the heat. More then enough people wanted to catch the ball, yet none of em get any life problems from those same Cubs fans. Insane.
And it wasn't a given the the player was going to catch that ball either. I always have felt bad for him and I always will
@@jonjackson7979 Alou's theatric response did not help.
People blamed it all on Bartman and not the Cubs completely imploding after that happened... so silly. Alou reacting as if Bartman had just done the worst thing imaginable made it a lot worse too I think.
Because Bartman was the only person who actually did catch the ball. It's not a hard concept to understand.
@@cordobamintal897 It's also not hard to understand why the other people also attempting to interfere would get shit for it. If someone is persecuted for doing something you would usually be persecuted for attempting it. Doesn't make much sense to say "My attempt to interfere with the game was okay but him interfering was wrong."
Just think of how bad the death threats are going to be, now that sports gambling is going absolutely crazy.
I respect Jim Rooker for staying true to his word and actually walking to Pittsburgh.
Edit: Also damn the Phillies have a lot of epic comebacks
Thank you was looking for a comment respecting him. He for sure didn't have to do that. much respect honoring his word
What’s the analysis for the Jose Mesa choke in the World Series?
It was the one play that made him and Omar Vizquel (who had previously been friends) enemies. Vizquel wrote a book about it, and publicly shamed Mesa in it. Mesa then said that if he faces Vizquel, he’ll hit him, and if he charges the mound, he’ll kill him
this guy should have way more subscribers and views, his mini documentaries on baseball are just insane and he narrates them so well. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into these man.
I think the problem is he has some pretty bad takes. Don't get me wrong I love this channel too and I think it's good to listen to opinions that differ from my own. But he has videos on: how Altuve is innocent, how Bauer is a good guy he was just bullied a lot, and how Machado throwing bats at people and cleating 1st baseman is ok because he just plays baseball hard.
BDE really puts out amazing and in depth content it's just that sometimes the points he tries to make are extremely wrong.
Kuddos to Jim Rooker for actually walking back home to Pitssburg, That's insane
What makes these situations a 1000 times worse are the commentators initial reactions to the play or them talking about it for the rest of the game & the cameraman keeping the camera in your face for the rest of the game 😂
That was the case with Steve Bartman. I was only 10 years old, but I remember SportsCenter egging on about that play on repeat, and I felt ashamed of ESPN painting him as a scapegoat
Bartman didn't deserve that... Maybe 1%, but the guy had nothing to do with the outcome.
I love how you exposed those fans with their ridiculous tweets lol
it's 10 years old man just live your life
@@meucanal9582 well if they are ruining players life for mistakes they made why cant we do that to the fans that are looking like 5 year olds complaining about players
@@spazz7957 because no one cares about joe blow. Probably some of these Twitter account are inactive. You would be screaming into the void of the unknown. But whatever helps y'all sleep
I was watching the '86 series as a BoSox fan, of course. My friend and I were shocked that Buckner went back into the game on defense in the bottom of that fateful inning. The Sox had a backup fist baseman known for his defense, but to our chagrin, he didn't come into the game.
That's baseball...a game of inches, bad hops, and missed opportunities.
i love watching old videos from his channel and comparing the enthusiasm in his voice from the beginning to now. such an underrated channel!! love your work!!
Being a Mets fan (and Knicks and basically all my teams) I get bring pissed off in the moment. But sending a player and his family death threats over a mistake, unbelievably stupid.
It’s none of the player’s faults. It’s LOL Mets.
Cubs fan here. I think I can safely speak for most of my fellow fans when I say that we feel awful for how Steve Bartman was treated and he never deserved any of it. A lot of us have felt this way since before the Cubs finally won it all in 2016.
I remember my dad's reaction to that whole thing a few days after, he was staring at a news report about Bartman saying something like 'Alex Gonzalez is a lucky man, cause that could have been him"
@@staidenofanarchy I'm not gonna lie, I was just as mad at Bartman as anyone else was.......until Gonzo(who lead all NL SS in fielding% that year, by the way) dropped a routine 2 hopper that should've gotten us out of the inning still with the lead. Once that happened, I wasn't really that mad at Bartman anymore.
@@staidenofanarchy I was depressed after the Cubs got eliminated the next night that I couldn't watch even a single pitch of the World Series.
@@davidmartinez52420
But you didn't threaten anyone, so that's good.
It isn't fair to treat fans like that. Sometimes baseball can go insane.
I was at the game when Myles Straw jumped onto the fence. The hecklers were actually the people sitting in front of me. I will never forget how crazy that game was.
From what I know, the Red Sox put Bill at 1st base at that point in the game because he was a baseball veteran and it was near the end of his career anyway (so like an act of appreciation for all that he did in his career). Apparently, the man was so hated in Boston after the game he had to move himself and his family to Idaho because of the backlash. He would stay there for the remainder of his life btw. Just remember that when you watch back the footage on that ground ball mistake Buckner made, you are essentially watching the worst day of someone's life second by second.
What makes this so infuriating is none of those fans could even begin to do the things mlb players do on a daily basis and yet still get so mad at them
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@@astroeclispe3847
I'm surprised you like this so much.
This video represents sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE.
As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets:
1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now.
2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name??
3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat.
4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch.
(5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).)
Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really??
Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips.
Do your homework, BDE.
@@jimwerther also if you weren’t living under a rock, everyone did want to kill bartman, so pull your head out of your ass
@@astroeclispe3847
I only see one comment from you, and it starts with "also", so maybe I'm missing something. Anyway, you talk trash but know little. Do you really believe there were 50,000 threats on Bartman's life? Perhaps a million? I'd say more like three.
That Enrique Williams plane crash story is absolutely insane
Strange sense of irony
I think I've watched fewer than 10 baseball games in the last 15 years.
I still click any time this guy uploads
You watch Jomboy?
@@MrEazyE357
Jomboy curses endlessly, which is very unnecessary, but his accuracy is about 99%. Then there is BDE...
This video represents sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE.
As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets:
1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now.
2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name??
3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat.
4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch.
(5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).)
Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really??
Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips.
Do your homework, BDE.
@@jimwerther I’d rather watch some inaccurate stuff than listen to Jomboy slurp the Yankees every 4 days. That dude is such a homer in the most toxic way
@@IBangedUrMom69420
As a Met fan who enjoys the Yankees losing, I find that Jomboy calls it straight.
Giving people the ability to say whatever they want, whenever they want through social media just shows how cruel humans can be towards each other.
think thats bad? try back in preelectric days, where rumors could spread like wildfire and theres no way to really know who did?
Having just gotten into baseball as an adult I have to say the over all attitude and atmosphere in the entire space is absolutely insane compared to any other sport and I am infatuated by it.
I can't think of 1986 without also thinking of Donny Moore, even if it has turned out that the one play in question did less to ruin his life than everyone wanted to believe at the time.
As a Cubs fan everybody knows the story of Brant Brown who was our outfielder and backup first baseman in 1998 dropped a ball in the outfield against the brewers that cost us the game and almost cost us the wild card that year.he ended up becoming a pariah in Chicago because of one of Ron Santos most infamous calls in Cubs radio history for his heartbreaking scream of no when Brant dropped the ball made fans instantly turn on him he got traded to Pittsburgh the following year was never the same and ended up playing in the independent leagues and to this day his name has a bad taste in Cubs fans mouths as bad as bartman
If these fans are complaining then Play baseball for yourself you’ll see how hard it is I play in a little league it’s hard
The people sending death threats are ridiculous I never understood why people who aren’t even on the team and most likely can’t play take things to those extremes
Out of all sport, baseball is the most unpredictable one, and that’s one thing many people don’t understand
I dont even understand baseball but I love this channel. Greetings from Sweden
What’s baseball??
@@ObiWanKenobi Baseball is something that exist
I think a big part of it is the rise of east sports betting allowing certain people who really should not have access to things like fanduel to risk money they can’t afford to lose.
I refuse to believe people will actually put their own lives in danger to go to a players house to intimidate them if all they have on the line is some fan clout.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
There are plenty of sports fans who have had parasocial relationships with teams & players, long before the word even existed... and obsession is a far more dangerous motivator than gambling losses. Passion drives more illogical behaviour than desperation.
"I refuse to believe people will actually put their own lives in danger to go to a players house to intimidate them if all they have on the line is some fan clout." Just because you refuse to believe it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Human beings don't need much motivation to do evil things.
me when baseball doesn't exist, baseball doesn't exist 👀👀👀
huh?
What
@@raishauntanner4206 I think he means that if baseball didn’t exist, then this account “baseball didn’t exist” would make him happy
@@raishauntanner4206 I'm happy when baseball doesn't exist makes a baseball doesn't exist video
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Sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE.
As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets:
1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now.
2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name??
3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat.
4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch.
(5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).)
Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really??
Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips.
Do your homework, BDE.
PS - What in the world does his channel name mean, anyway?
This just goes to show you can do 99 things right that 1 thing you do wrong will always be remembered more then all things you’ve done right
Peter Moylan, one of the best people that has ever played the game of baseball, shared once that when he was in LA, he had a fan pestering him and the other players in the Braves bullpen. One fan took it too far, saying what he would do to Moylan's wife and daughter. Moylan told the fan that they could throw hands right there if they needed to. He then had the fan thrown out of the stadium. You can't take it that far as a fan, ever.
My dad's from Reggio Calabria, which is the poorest region of Italy. His cousin was what basically amounted to a AAA soccer player, and after a ref blew a call they had to call in a helicopter to extract the the ref.
The fans had blocked off all the exits, and were waiting to kill the ref.
MLB fans are nuts, but soccer fans are on a different level.
Great video as always, by the way.
I've heard little soccer stories and seen little videos like that, but those that I have seen… yeah they go way out there…
That’s terrible
Im Calabrese!!!
A ref got beheaded in South America one time
Since you brought WPA, you should talk about this year's playoffs and how much the umps affected the games. Based on WPA
That Phillies-Dodgers game is why teams should not just take the pressure off as soon as they build a substantial lead. There's often an expectation that you should just stop trying to play well once you've got a big lead, but this makes no sense. If you put in all your scrubs, you're giving the opposition a chance to come back. And you don't want them to come back.
Should have mentioned Will Craig, since that’s kind of the opposite. He had an silly error on a bad pirates team in a game they were already losing early in the third inning, in may, and he got so bullied, not even by the fans, but by the national sports media, he retired from the MLB moved to Japan within a month.
People literally compared his meaningless error to Buckners! Insane!
People who get this toxic over what is in the end a kids game for money always disappoint me. Baseball is my passion. But these are human beings. People who act like these clowns aren’t true fans.
Much respect to that announcer. Kept his word. People should aspire to that today
"I'm finding Conrad and shitting in his pants" is the funniest tweet I've ever heard
yep.
About that Rivera blown save that cost the Yankees the World Series, Tim McCarver said that "bringing the Yankees infield in was a mistake. If anyone could hit Rivera's cutter, it would be a broken bat hit into shallow outfield." The VERY NEXT PITCH, Gonzalez hit a broken bat flyball that would have been caught at normal infield depth.
Reminds me of the abuse that Donnie Moore received after giving up the home run to the Red Sox in the ALCS in 1986. Dude was already having emotionally trying times. Not that was the catalyst to his eventual suicide and attempted murder of his wife but there had to have some contribution to it.
Loved this video!! I'm surprised Elvis Andrus in the ALDS vs the Jays or David Freese vs the Rangers weren't included. 2 all time playoff moments!
It's only going to get worse. Years ago a fan followed the Texans Qb back to his house and talked shit to him when he got out of the truck.
I don’t see how fans could go in on Murphy over the error. Guys like him and Howie Kendrick are referred to by many as “professional hitters”. They are gonna give you great offensive performances, clutch hits, hit for both average and power and can hit very well situationally. However, they will also give you below average defensive play which includes errors. It’s just who they are, not a wild underperformance or choke.
I have no problem with fans sending hate to players, if you screw up, expect to get fans saying mean things about you, but sending legitimate death threats or doxing players on social media is where I draw a line in the sand. That is where I’m no longer on the fans side.
Honestly can say I've never been so upset over a pro athlete making a bad play that shiting on them via social media seemed reasonable. Try to always humble my rage by reminding myself I couldn't do what they are doing half as good as they do on their bad days.
Please never stop posting. Your videos are amazing
* Inaccurate. BDE makes many, many mistakes.
This video represents sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE.
As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets:
1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now.
2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name??
3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat.
4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch.
(5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).)
Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really??
Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips.
Do your homework, BDE.
Wrong
@@jaredcochran1709
Lol! What a brilliant refutation of my comment 🤦♂️
Baseball dosent exist: how one play can ruin your life
Joey gallo: all my plays ruined my life in New York
IKF too
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Nah
Aaron Hicks would like a word
I really appreciate how many similar errors were pointed out...even in the same inning as the more infamous error!
Thanks for addressing the increasingly outrageous fan insanity. A topic really worthy of "transparency." Starting with hometown TV commentators, who routinely, either ignore or joke about the madness, and with print and digital media looking for a "story" to sell, positive encouragement has metastasized into ugly and brutish lunacy.
It isn’t really fair how players get these threats and hated when the people making them can’t even do what they do on a good day or even get into the majors
Hands down best baseball content around! ❤
Really not.
Sloppy, sloppy work. Typical of BDE.
As a Met fan, I can point out the falsehoods he published here _just_ about the Mets:
1. Daniel Murphy is royalty in this town. After his 2015 WS error, everyone noted that Murph was the one who got them to the World Series. Without Murphy, the Mets would have lost the NLDS to the Dodgers, even before he hit four more HRs in the NLCS against the Cubs. Perhaps a couple of yahoos tweeted something stupid, but that was _not_ the general opinion in NY. Not then, not now.
2. Who the hell is "Rich" Aguilera? Really?? Rick Aguilera had a wonderful career, including winning another World Series while closing games for the 1991 Twins. You don't know his name??
3. In G6 of the 1986 World Series, Bob Stanley did not "immediately" throw a wild pitch. It was something like the fifth pitch of the at bat.
4. No, Mookie Wilson was not followed in the order by Mookie Wilson. It was not the "next batter" who grounded to first under Buckner's glove. It was the same person who had avoided the wild pitch.
(5. A technicality saves BDE on the next mistake. He said that the next day the Red Sox lost the World Series to the Mets. But Game 7 was rained out, and postponed by one day, a major story at the time because it allowed Boston to bring back Bruce Hurst (who'd owned the Mets) to start G7 instead of Oil Can Boyd (who'd gotten smacked around). BDE gets lucky on this one, because G6 ended around 12:30 AM, so technically it was the "next" day, 47 hours later (11:27 pm).)
Bonus: At times in this video, BDE makes it sound as if every fan in Chicago wanted to assault Bartman, and every Boston fan Buckner, everyone in St. Louis Denkinger, etc. I would imagine that the physical threats came from .00000000001% of the population. Every one of those noobs should be locked up, but should the whole town be blamed? Really??
Anyway...if you make that many mistakes regarding just one team in this 20+ minute video, how many more errors did _you_ make? Such is RUclips.
Do your homework, BDE.
@@jimwerther I just watched the Mets documentary 30 for 30. It was wonderful.
@@Deeaannoo
Is it on YT now? Because I've never seen it. I thought it was behind a paywall.
It’s definitely worth the paywall. Any die hard Mets fan should watch it. It takes about there 85 season in detail. It’s a wonderful story. Not even a Mets fan but sports junkie. I loved it. Probally best documentary on ESPN 30 for 30 now.
@@Deeaannoo
85 season? Did you fat finger 86?
I'm generally allergic to paying for such stuff, pbly an OCD thing. Eventually these things do tend to find a way onto YT.
You can now include the alek thomas World Series error
Exactly what I thought
Mad respect for the announcer who was a man of his word and walked back to Philly. Mad respect!
Just discovered this channel....maybe because I'm drunk at 3:16 in the morning on a Friday night....but your data and analysis are SUPERLATIVE!! You got a new sub!!
Mariano Rivera was so great his blunder literally saved a life.😂
Analytics bros ruin everything they touch
The way Steve bartman was treated by Chicago is despicable. Maybe you should get mad at your team for absolutely shitting the bed by giving up EIGHT runs in one inning than some guy. Let's face it, that ball was no gimmie. Don't worry, you're paying for it with the Chicago bears being a joke
Bartman didn't do himself any favors by being such a nudnik. But the fans saw a chance to direct their vitriol and frustration at a scapegoat after being deprived of a winner for over 100 years, and they unfortunately took it. I'm in Chicago and was a Cubs fanatic back then, and I certainly didn't blame Bartman for the Cubs losing. Yeah, he should have been more mindful of the situation and backed away to give the fielder a chance, but I think most fans in that situation would instinctively go for the ball.
That ump in 85 in St Louis got so many threats, for so long, that the MLB never had him ump games in STL ever again. That hadn't happened before and it hasn't happened since.
St Louis has lots of churches, but it has one temple that everyone shares: Busch stadium. If you commit baseball heresy there you will be run out of town forever.
1:24 catching that bottle is one of the most badass things I’ve seen ever.
I love your channel keep it up
This is a great video, describing perfectly why baseball is such an intense sport. Hero to Zero in one second.
Joey, can you do a video on the which teams have the worst fans
The Yankees (extreme elitists that actively boo any player on their own team who isn’t the next Babe Ruth), the Dodgers (have a personality cult that puts them above everyone else and extends beyond their own fandom, with LA residents often going to games just to harass other people and other MLB fans bending over backwards to defend them), the Red Sox (because Boston), and the Phillies (beyond the Philadelphia stigma, are also known for having an extreme victim complex and often feel that they are owed victories from other teams due to their erroneous history of being a team that always loses).
1. Philadelphia
2. Philadelphia
3. Philadelphia
4. Philadelphia
5. Philadelphia
1 Yankees (classless obnoxious violent loudmouth racist drunks who make Bruins fans look polite)
2 Bruins (History of Racist behaviour, ask Joel Ward, P.K. Subban and Wayne Simmons about hearing racist slurs at Boston games)
3 Patriots (Bandwagons and they condone cheating)
4 Texas Rangers (violent and glorify violence)
5 Dallas Cowboys (Equivalent of Leafs fans on steroids)
yankees easily
Braves fans of the 90s might remember Lonnie Smith as the scapegoat for losing the 91 WS 1-0 in the 10th inning of game 7 in Minneapolis. I doubt there was any scoring to give him credit for this in history, but I've spoken to many people over the years that remember it this way. If Lonnie scores (and everything else goes the same way), then the Braves really do go from Worst to First, but instead they only got to be Worst to First in the NL. Just at a glance it's also fair to give credit to Chuck Knoblach for heroically duping the Braves out of the World Series, and also the third base coach (Jimmy Williams if memory serves) doesn't seem to be helping things. The video of that play is here: ruclips.net/video/eM5kHJUBRSE/видео.html
A couple of years ago, the Arkansas Razorbacks were in the College World Series. They were up 1 game to 0 in the 3 game series, leading in the 2nd game until the ninth. On what should've been the last out, the other team ( I can't remember who exactly) hit an infield fly ball that should've been routinely caught. It was dropped and the team eventually scored to both tie and win. In game 3, the other team won again
The only person that will never turn their back on you is Jesus Christ. Give him a chance; you won’t regret it. God bless you.
That Castillo play was the worst heart ache i felt as a Mets fan. Still hurts. I really felt too that was our year and havent had that feeling since.
I absolutely loved Daniel Murphy on the Mets. That series, I blamed Matt Harvey for wanting a bigger moment than he could handle and Terry for letting him do it
I don't even watch baseball anymore but your videos are so fascinating I've been binging well done good sir.
In the grand scheme of things, it's just a game. All of this is just a game. Even more so for fans. We watch these games, get pissed at a bungled play, then turn the TV off and go to bed. I can't imagine a fan being so disconnected from reality that they think harassing, stalking, and otherwise threatening a player is a good idea.
People are crazy. Sports fans exponentially so.
In Dallas in the 90s I was often bemused by my fellow bar patrons whose self-worth and identity were wound up with something they had no control of. Bread and circuses. Circuses the ultimate distraction.
The commentary on the first one I will never forget. "Oh my goodness he dropped the ball" will forever be etched in my memory
You could even partially blame Gedman (Redsox catcher) for not stopping that ball. As far as wild pitches goes, that one Stanley threw was very tame. And given the immense importance of the situation, that was definitely a move your body and stop it rather than reaching across your body.
Regardless the Sox were destined to lose that series. I accepted that...like 2 days ago. But i have accepted it.
Saying you're going to shit in someone else's pants is a wild thing to say. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Was late to a Red Sox / Rays game once at Fenway Park. At the top of the 3rd it was 8-0 Tampa and everyone was leaving. We had good seats but ended up moving to a field box 3rd base side. Final score was 10-13 Sox.
The story about Enrique Wilson possibly dying in the plane crash if the Yankees had won that game is crazy.