@@GtheMVP No, it objectively doesn't. Texture are still super low res. Shadows, light, reflection, POV, culling, ect... are all of a lesser tech and it shows. Now, it look quite nice but it's nowhere close of PS4 in term of graphical fidelity. Except resolution ofc.
@@alexandrebelair4360 I'd agree with you on a lot of titles, where they look like partial PS3/360 remasters, but Lost Odyssey is simply gorgeous running in 4K. I was playing it on my 75 inch Q90T tv, I was blown away. Where it shows it age is in the character models and some textures, but the art style holds up really well.
Exactly what I've told numerous people, at least about the first game. It doesn't look modern to me per se, but it's so perfectly executed that just at a higher base resolution, you really do get wowed by it all despite the low-resolution textures and of-the-era model detail.
I genuinely don't understand why they haven't released a 4K trilogy on the PS5 yet. They've done basically every other Final Fantasy game over to the PS4/5 generations, it's the one we're missing now.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4vI’m assuming it would be somewhat easy. They don’t even need to do serious work. They look good on ps3 already. Boost them to 60 frames and slap it on disc(s) and let us have fun lol
@@user-ds8rj2vc4vIt’s very simple, it’s because it’s hard to emulate the PS3. The Cell processor was unique. That’s why even the PS5 uses cloud streaming from Cell processors instead of on-device emulation. And yes, you can absolutely run PS3 games on an emulator, but they will have bugs and performance issues.
2009 was 15 years ago now. You've got to think that someone could've been just born at the time and would now be in their mid teens - who are a very large part of the gaming generation. Think of it this way. When Final Fantasy XIII came out in 2009, the equivalent Final Fantasy in 1994 was FF6 on the SNES.
Marc Duddleson made an error when saying you couldn't toggle the resolution on Xbox 360 games for X enhanced games. You can knock the games back down to 720p, there is an option for it within the emulator itself when hitting Start and Back buttons together, if you wanted to favour framerate over visuals. Besides that, it was a fantastic video from the both of you.
Personally, I'm into disabling the fps boost, getting the rock solid 30 fps available nowadays and keeping the res. 30 is good enough for me, if 100% stable, not a reality on the OG versions.
Damn I never heard of trial version of FF13 before. FF13 on PC with custom 4k driver is amazing by the way, butter smooth 60fps and at 4k. With the enemies visible on the field it makes the one sin the distance still look sharp. Hoping the triology gets a remaster on the newer consoles (same gameplay just improve performance, resolution etc.). This also would allow them to be played on the ps4/ps5 which have no BC with PS3. Ironically you can still hear NPCs talk in FF13, you just walk close to them and they will say some lines, its just not done with a button press. On the open world issue it seems FF13 suffered with timing, as you guys pointed out FF10 is similar with linearity for much of the game, ff7 remake another example, but FF13 was released as open world craze was at its peak. There is a fair few people who originally hated FF13, went back to it later and then said they like the game. I actually love the trilogy, I think both battle systems are some of the best I have ever seen in a JRPG, lightning returns battle system I think should have been used for FF15. Watched whole video now, you two guys been fans of the triology I guess got us this video thanks, and yeah the LR stutters on PC, even on a RTX 3080 and 13700k are still there, but not as bad haha, maybe in about 10 years hardware can brute force through it.
Just THANK YOU ❤ THANK YOU for giving this awesome triology it's well deserved second big stage. It's still my favorite shot to the Final Fantasy series.
Seeing these comments pop from time to time weird me a little, since I'm not from an anglo country, but I can see the reasoning and worry merits, there's nothing to be worried, thankfully. Snow is a 21 childish hunk and she is 18, while her older sister Claire, (Lightning is her leaking the 2000's edge and refusing her real name, cannon!) is 21 too. Serah is just a short stack by american standards a 5'4"(but average worldwide), and they happen to pair her with a hunk. Even the japanese got weirded out by Snow's size and called him mr. 33cm, or 13 inches in imperial units because of his foot size. A 6'7 guy stands out as sore thumb in Japan, a true Goliath. They went very exotic and bold for the time, there was no politicized diversity on the culture. I loved it back then and I love when things like this are organic, Sazh, for instance, is my favorite character, a role model father and easygoing man, he had a complex role of also being a comic relief and they played it so well not to cheapen his serious story and mission. Square Enix has a great history of handling human beings as human beings.
You can play all mainline Final Fantasies on the current PlayStation except one. Final Fantasy XIII. What's more, with backwards compatibility, you can play it on the Xbox Series X. SE needs to remaster this thing for the PlayStation at the very least to restore balance to the universe.
The original videos you did on this trilogy a bit ago made me go back and play them last year and I have to thank you for them; wat a bizarre but wonderfully unique trilogy of games. Each one with their own strengths and weaknesses that always feel like odd responses to the one that came before. Really glad I had the patience to do it all though because, while there are some low points, I found myself really invested and moved by the whole thing. So yeah.... thanks :)
I actually think this is the case for the Xbox Series consoles, due to back compat and the enhancements. Edit: I like how none of us watched the video yet, because I’m pretty sure they mention it themselves lol
Final fantasy XIII 2 and Lighting Returns is 4k 60 fps on xbox series X through backwards compatibility. Though its not flawless that should do the trick.
@@freeme123go8 But most people don't want the Xbox Series consoles. Also, many people want to have a physical copy of the game. Not a digital download.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v Oh definitely! I was just letting OP know that what he wants technically already exists. If he has a Xbox console. Also I have physical copies and they work just fine on the new gen consoles.
The PC version with the mods really is amazing and completely flips it around performance wise. And you can probably run it on a toaster at this point Definite Version™️ with the JP voices and PS5 movies
Fantastic timing. Just picked up FF XIII for PS3 recently to finally give it a try. Loved the insight into its history here. Thanks for the time and attention to detail taken here, as always.
Marc/Try4ce, maybe you’ve learnt this in the last 2 years, but you actually CAN disable the One X Enhanced resolution boost. You actually do it within the emulated 360 guide while game is running , in the Settings > Xbox One X settings menu. They phrase it as Graphics or Performance, which just means resolution boost On or Off.
@@andyd3447 I’m not sure - it does look better though I don’t think it’s a traditional enhancement. I hope they do a remake or at minimum a full 4k version.
Recently finished Lightning Returns for the first time after putting it off for all these years. Game is actually decent but the PC version's performance is atrocious. FFXIII-2's PC version is terrible as well which hurts because I really like that game. Gonna enjoy watching this video. FFXIII was a great audio-visual spectacle back when it released on PS3. Those pristine cutscenes were a joy to watch.
Why was I ignoring this video until now, thinking it was a retread of the previous DF video about FF13? Great job. Try4ce breaking down the L'Cie/Fal'Cie/C'ieth nonsense was great too.
No, the changes started with Final Fantasy X. No proper gear system. No inns. Weird sphere grid system. Music only partially done by Nobuo Uematsu. No world map to traverse. And people complain about games like Battlefield and Dragon Age changing but if it's Final Fantasy, for some reason, everyone just eats up the changes. The next game could be a kart racer and no one would bat an eye.
These things are only negatives if youre blindly wanting to adhere to any tradition. Like why would X be better if you had to go to inns? Why is the sphere grid bad? There was a world map to traverse just not a real time 3D one. Masashi Hamauzu and Junya Nakano are an great composers. Uematsu isnt the only person to have ever produced good music. And I mean at this point why arent we complaining that you can save outside of Inns? Or that characters have names an personalities at all? FF just hasnt been the same since 2...
I tried really hard to get into these games and just couldn't. Actually, I could say that about most, if not all, Final Fantasy games post-PS2. Lightning Returns was honestly the most interesting of the 3, IMO, despite being the least liked of them. Lost Odyssey remains the best "Final Fantasy" since then.
Yeah, Marc might be the only one who enjoys more the gameplay of lighting returns. I remember being quite disappointed when I learned that the battle system had little in common with the previous 2 games that I loved so much, FFXIII-2 in particular
When discussing alpha to coverage for hair rendering, there's another benefit: sorting. Even today, transparency sorting for rasterized rendering is still not actually solved (and very likely can't be), though there are a number of solutions that do an admirable job giving the appearance of proper sorting. If you get into that sort of technical detail, I recommend looking into order-independent transparency. Alpha to coverage doesn't have any of the same sorting issues inherent to alpha blending, it's relatively cheap to render, and can look virtually identical to alpha blending under the right conditions. Super-sampled alpha to coverage looks fantastic at or above 4 samples per pixel, and can look just as good with certain temporal AA implementations for far lower performance cost compared to alpha blending.
i really do feel like the 13 games are looked back on now with a lot less hate in a post 15, 16, 7Remake world depending on who you ask. Also the trilogy art direction has such a vibe to it that it hasn't aged a day
I love the 13 games, and 13-2 is my favorite Final Fantasy game straight up. The presentation in all 3 is incredible, the transitions between cutscenes, battle, and pre-rendered scenes are fantastic. It really sucks how much of a goddamn nightmare it is to try to get the PC port of 13-2 to run at all since the PC versions of all three are pretty well optimized and run much more smoothly than the original consoles. It's really shocking hearing that the 360 has stronger specs than the PS3 though, I had it in my head for 20 years now that 360 was a beast but PS3 barely surpassed it. Kinda glad now that my phat PS3 YLODed and I had to get a later model 360 to keep playing 7th gen games on console. Not too much of a loss either, other than MGS4, since PlayStation has no games lmao
So what you are all saying is, with those resolution limitations on the 360 version (unless on a Series), the best way to play the 360 version is on a standard definition CRT.... Got it! 😃
I've played through all three of these recently-ish; I'm nice to them and see what's good - the audio/visual, the systems. Anything that involves writing, though, is to be ignored. At times I was sure the writers just had contempt for the work and the audience.
Talking about presentation, beautifully made video, love it. And I personally love so much ff13 story, its about prejudice and has so many emotional moments, the ending its wtf but ok lol
Amazing Video guys absolute 10/10 !! Even though i didn't play FF13 myself and only played Lightning returns it was still packed with interesting content and every bit of the video was presented and explained so well and fully packed with information in a way that it really made me want to play 13 even though i don't like the combat system myself as many it seems but at the moment you played the battle song i was getting hyped ! And seeing the style and graphics kinda holding up nowadays still especially with mods it makes it a perfect time now to pick it up i suppose
Another excellent DF retro production. I never finished any of the FF13 games but play the first one a fair bit and really enjoyed it. I am surprised how much better the PS3 version was over the 360 though given the game's origins, it is not that surprising I guess. Thanks again for another great DF retro video.
I think FF7 Rebirths implementation of NPCs giving out passive atmospheric dialogue is pretty good. I feel they have better things to say than FF7 Remake. Just an opinion. However there should be some indication of which NPC is speaking. A lot of times their dialogues are longer than a few seconds and it’s easy to run past their audio radius and missing what they say, then having to walk back slowly trying to see which one is going to trigger it again. Maybe when they are speaking a little a text box icon can pop over their heads?
With a CFW PS3 and RSX Boost plus a full install on an SSD it eliminates nearly all the performance dips with these games. I have a 2100 slim at 750/900 for clock speeds, runs great.
It's funny how over time the game went from being derided to being loved, with most of the arguments defending it now being the exact same arguments I made back in 2009 when I was in high school. Like the thing you mentioned about how the game's environments aren't really that much more restrictive than ff10 or how the combat is less about what actions you take and moreso about when those actions are taken are both points I made way back and was criticized for, but i'm glad now people are realizing that yea despite the flaws its a great game. Story problems aside, the game has a lot to offer.
Actually there is an on/off toggle for resolution on Xbox. You have to access the 360 menu but it can toggle it on and off there. I hope DF sees this comment and looks like that up. But yes you can toggle performance and resolution. Like I know this was made a bit ago but even then you could toggle it, I would think you would have added a correction or something ..
This is a great video guys FF13 is a mixed game for me but it definitely has its ups and the battle system is a great one. I do disagree with Marc about towns. obviously ymmv but towns represent a rest time in between exploration or dungeons, it helps pace JRPGs into modes of battling/exploring and then resting, knowing more about the setting and preparing for the next exploring session. Older final fantasies did this to great effect. The lack of resting time if you will then makes the dungeons feel overlong as it is ALL there is to do in the game and makes the game feel as if you are running a neverending marathon. All that said, graphics are still beautiful and the soundtrack is just as good. In the end it is completely understandable how someone can love it as well as hate it.
When I first played FF XIII I felt it was too constraining, and actually at first I kind of didn't like it much. Then I played the XIII-2 and it's contrived story and excelent soundtrack made me feel better about the whole package. Finally after playing XIII-3 (aka Lightning Returns) made me appreciate the trilogy a lot more, and as a whole they're probably one of my favorite Final Fantasy installements. Would glady get a remaster / collection in a heartbeat.
The upscaling and graphics mods that are available today on the pc version need to be replicated for a PS5 and Series X/S release. This game is stunningly beautiful running at 4k60
32:05 Yes?? Speak for yourself I want to hear what random people have to say it's not just checking boxes and FOMO. As a historian we don't get to get to hear the perspective of random medieval people, a "popular history". Games let us talk to everybody and hear all these perspectives, I just don't like the idea assuming that talking to every villager in a game isn't "fun". What's the meme? That's... That's why I'm here?
haven’t tested performance with it but I’m fairly certain you CAN force the original resolution on enhanced xbox games via the 360 guide menu? (hit select + start, i forget the exact setting but it’s 100% a thing)
John referring to the PS3 as the PS Triple will never fail to get a chuckle out of me.
Long live Chad Warden.
Xbox 360….we ain’t trying to do geometry….we trying to play some games. Halo…more like GAYLO
@@adamterry550 Da Wii? Shiet...
these guys are OG Chad fans and it thrills me to no end.
C'mon...that lil controller? Dat looks like a DEAL 🤝 . DOE 🦌
Chad Daddy we miss you, please show up even for a pic.
The music in these games are so unique and beautiful
Something no Final Fantasy ever failed at: Music
It's not really unique lol
@@alexandrebelair4360ff16 ?
Is.
@@alexandrebelair4360 by definition it sort of was. It didn't follow the traditional Final Fantasy music such as the Prelude or Victory Fanfare.
Its crazy how much just going to 4k makes these games look modern. Speaks to the quality of the original artwork and design.
So true. Emulating Lost Odyssey at 4K or 1440p makes it look like a PS4 game ported to PC. It's stunning. The fast load times help as well.
@alargecorgi2199 Yes and no. On most monitors it barely makes a difference. You are too close and the monitor is too small.
@@GtheMVP No, it objectively doesn't. Texture are still super low res. Shadows, light, reflection, POV, culling, ect... are all of a lesser tech and it shows.
Now, it look quite nice but it's nowhere close of PS4 in term of graphical fidelity. Except resolution ofc.
@@alexandrebelair4360 I'd agree with you on a lot of titles, where they look like partial PS3/360 remasters, but Lost Odyssey is simply gorgeous running in 4K. I was playing it on my 75 inch Q90T tv, I was blown away. Where it shows it age is in the character models and some textures, but the art style holds up really well.
Exactly what I've told numerous people, at least about the first game. It doesn't look modern to me per se, but it's so perfectly executed that just at a higher base resolution, you really do get wowed by it all despite the low-resolution textures and of-the-era model detail.
Hoping for an FF13 Collection for PS5!
I genuinely don't understand why they haven't released a 4K trilogy on the PS5 yet. They've done basically every other Final Fantasy game over to the PS4/5 generations, it's the one we're missing now.
Yes! It's my favorite series...in the series!
@@user-ds8rj2vc4vI’m assuming it would be somewhat easy. They don’t even need to do serious work. They look good on ps3 already. Boost them to 60 frames and slap it on disc(s) and let us have fun lol
@@user-ds8rj2vc4vIt’s very simple, it’s because it’s hard to emulate the PS3. The Cell processor was unique. That’s why even the PS5 uses cloud streaming from Cell processors instead of on-device emulation.
And yes, you can absolutely run PS3 games on an emulator, but they will have bugs and performance issues.
Damn that's a shame. Glad my Xbox just runs the games.
This is amazingly well-produced and it's filled with a lot of nostalgia. I personally enjoyed the FFXIII trilogy.
Same!!!
Ff13 taught me 2 things, Moms are tough and You wanna be a HERO?
Thank god we live in the same era as that in which Digital Foundry exists
33:00 This tactic actually originated in FF12, where the majority of NPCs are similarly non-interactive and reveal world details passively.
Me: Wait FF13 is considered retro now?
It came out in 2009... I could have sworn it wasnt that long ago.
2009 was 15 years ago now.
You've got to think that someone could've been just born at the time and would now be in their mid teens - who are a very large part of the gaming generation.
Think of it this way. When Final Fantasy XIII came out in 2009, the equivalent Final Fantasy in 1994 was FF6 on the SNES.
I can feel the dust in my veins holy shit
This game looks so good for 2009 game!
@@callmeivan2064 shit its ash now.
More like 2010 in the western world. Late December 2009 was only the release date in Japan which is basically 2010 in my book.
13-2 remains one of my favorites. So many good memories with that game and the soundtrack went crazy in that one
The ending got me.
This game has for me still the best Soundtrack of all FF games. Perfect in every situation.
it's the pokemon game right?
13-2 is probably my favorite FF game in general.
Marc Duddleson made an error when saying you couldn't toggle the resolution on Xbox 360 games for X enhanced games. You can knock the games back down to 720p, there is an option for it within the emulator itself when hitting Start and Back buttons together, if you wanted to favour framerate over visuals.
Besides that, it was a fantastic video from the both of you.
Personally, I'm into disabling the fps boost, getting the rock solid 30 fps available nowadays and keeping the res. 30 is good enough for me, if 100% stable, not a reality on the OG versions.
11:39 John's word choices never cease to amuse me.
Sitting here, waiting for a remaster of this glorious trilogy.
Damn I never heard of trial version of FF13 before.
FF13 on PC with custom 4k driver is amazing by the way, butter smooth 60fps and at 4k. With the enemies visible on the field it makes the one sin the distance still look sharp.
Hoping the triology gets a remaster on the newer consoles (same gameplay just improve performance, resolution etc.). This also would allow them to be played on the ps4/ps5 which have no BC with PS3.
Ironically you can still hear NPCs talk in FF13, you just walk close to them and they will say some lines, its just not done with a button press.
On the open world issue it seems FF13 suffered with timing, as you guys pointed out FF10 is similar with linearity for much of the game, ff7 remake another example, but FF13 was released as open world craze was at its peak. There is a fair few people who originally hated FF13, went back to it later and then said they like the game.
I actually love the trilogy, I think both battle systems are some of the best I have ever seen in a JRPG, lightning returns battle system I think should have been used for FF15.
Watched whole video now, you two guys been fans of the triology I guess got us this video thanks, and yeah the LR stutters on PC, even on a RTX 3080 and 13700k are still there, but not as bad haha, maybe in about 10 years hardware can brute force through it.
I really enjoyed this video! Thanks for putting together a full-length movie about the trilogy 😊
Perfect watch for the Sunday afternoon, love df retro
I'm downloading about 120 GB worth 4k 60fps remastered FMV/cutscene mods now 😅
P.S. FF13 soundtrack gives me goosebumps.
Just THANK YOU ❤
THANK YOU for giving this awesome triology it's well deserved second big stage. It's still my favorite shot to the Final Fantasy series.
Thanks guys, I appreciate the amount of work that goes into these retro videos.
I like your efforts to will a Trilogy remaster into existence.
I'm so glad John made this! FF13 is so underated and the hate for it by some is SO OVERBLOWN!
Thank you!
I see anything Final Fantasy and I watch.
Snow and Serah always look so creepy together. Like a dude in his mid-20s dating a 12-year-old.
Serah and Vanilla being 19 is...lkke idk I guess I have to take the writers word for it. Hope is somehow 14 though despite looking like them.
Seeing these comments pop from time to time weird me a little, since I'm not from an anglo country, but I can see the reasoning and worry merits, there's nothing to be worried, thankfully. Snow is a 21 childish hunk and she is 18, while her older sister Claire, (Lightning is her leaking the 2000's edge and refusing her real name, cannon!) is 21 too. Serah is just a short stack by american standards a 5'4"(but average worldwide), and they happen to pair her with a hunk. Even the japanese got weirded out by Snow's size and called him mr. 33cm, or 13 inches in imperial units because of his foot size. A 6'7 guy stands out as sore thumb in Japan, a true Goliath. They went very exotic and bold for the time, there was no politicized diversity on the culture. I loved it back then and I love when things like this are organic, Sazh, for instance, is my favorite character, a role model father and easygoing man, he had a complex role of also being a comic relief and they played it so well not to cheapen his serious story and mission. Square Enix has a great history of handling human beings as human beings.
Every time I see MLiG and John together is amazing. Thanks!
Best spherical harmonics in a game, ever?
Laughed out loud when the NeoGAF meme was read aloud
I had no idea that textures bleeding into each other had an official term. Thank you for showing me what Z-Fighting is!
i still go back to ffxiii every now and then. it was a bit unpolished but god did it keep me engaged.
unpolished? It was arguably the BEST looking game of the ps3 era.
You can play all mainline Final Fantasies on the current PlayStation except one. Final Fantasy XIII. What's more, with backwards compatibility, you can play it on the Xbox Series X. SE needs to remaster this thing for the PlayStation at the very least to restore balance to the universe.
Enchanted Arms is such a weird bizarre gem that im glad I got to play. I loved the grid based combat
It always brings me a smike when John and crew puts so much love into a project for a game that might not desrve it.
The original videos you did on this trilogy a bit ago made me go back and play them last year and I have to thank you for them; wat a bizarre but wonderfully unique trilogy of games. Each one with their own strengths and weaknesses that always feel like odd responses to the one that came before. Really glad I had the patience to do it all though because, while there are some low points, I found myself really invested and moved by the whole thing. So yeah.... thanks :)
John and Mark thank u for this 😊
Please make a trilogy remaster for current gen consoles 🙏 4K HDR 60fps would do it justice!
Yep I never played lightning returns
I actually think this is the case for the Xbox Series consoles, due to back compat and the enhancements.
Edit: I like how none of us watched the video yet, because I’m pretty sure they mention it themselves lol
Final fantasy XIII 2 and Lighting Returns is 4k 60 fps on xbox series X through backwards compatibility. Though its not flawless that should do the trick.
@@freeme123go8
But most people don't want the Xbox Series consoles.
Also, many people want to have a physical copy of the game. Not a digital download.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v Oh definitely! I was just letting OP know that what he wants technically already exists. If he has a Xbox console. Also I have physical copies and they work just fine on the new gen consoles.
The PC version with the mods really is amazing and completely flips it around performance wise. And you can probably run it on a toaster at this point
Definite Version™️ with the JP voices and PS5 movies
Fantastic timing. Just picked up FF XIII for PS3 recently to finally give it a try. Loved the insight into its history here. Thanks for the time and attention to detail taken here, as always.
Marc/Try4ce, maybe you’ve learnt this in the last 2 years, but you actually CAN disable the One X Enhanced resolution boost. You actually do it within the emulated 360 guide while game is running , in the Settings > Xbox One X settings menu. They phrase it as Graphics or Performance, which just means resolution boost On or Off.
I love this trilogy, its part of my best years of gaming 🥲 Thanks for this marathon DF❤
I play Trilogy on series X...top quality.
lol… I am too. I’m trying to max out my characters
Doesnt the series x have the 4k version?
@@andyd3447 I’m not sure - it does look better though I don’t think it’s a traditional enhancement. I hope they do a remake or at minimum a full 4k version.
When I went to play through XIII completely for the first time I was so in love with the story and actually got kind bummed when it opened up.
One of the last great installments in the series for all of its whimsy and wonder. Highly underrated.
I can't wait to see your Sunsoft video John and I'm especially hyped for your Saturn vs PS series!
Recently finished Lightning Returns for the first time after putting it off for all these years. Game is actually decent but the PC version's performance is atrocious. FFXIII-2's PC version is terrible as well which hurts because I really like that game. Gonna enjoy watching this video.
FFXIII was a great audio-visual spectacle back when it released on PS3. Those pristine cutscenes were a joy to watch.
Why was I ignoring this video until now, thinking it was a retread of the previous DF video about FF13? Great job. Try4ce breaking down the L'Cie/Fal'Cie/C'ieth nonsense was great too.
I'm dying to replay these games sometime soon. Love all three, espeially for the lore, the art style and the music, all of which is top, top tier.
God this video is pretty high quality! Thanks for all of your insight and perspective about the games!
Is this being re-uploaded?
Yes! The world does not get nearly enough FFXIII love, seeing a feature length video about this beloved trilogy is always a delight!
FF 13 to this day is my favorite FF by a large margin.
Think you forgot the /s
Here I am, yet again watching a video about a game franchise that I absolutely do not care about. Well done you two.
The problem with FF13's linearity was presentation. It felt like long corridols. No towns did'nt help either.
1:48 Is this a re-release of a older video? 13 years after 2009 is 2022. I'm stoked to watch this! Just wondering.
It was released in multiple parts, they compiled it into one
No, the changes started with Final Fantasy X.
No proper gear system.
No inns.
Weird sphere grid system.
Music only partially done by Nobuo Uematsu.
No world map to traverse.
And people complain about games like Battlefield and Dragon Age changing but if it's Final Fantasy, for some reason, everyone just eats up the changes. The next game could be a kart racer and no one would bat an eye.
These things are only negatives if youre blindly wanting to adhere to any tradition. Like why would X be better if you had to go to inns? Why is the sphere grid bad? There was a world map to traverse just not a real time 3D one. Masashi Hamauzu and Junya Nakano are an great composers. Uematsu isnt the only person to have ever produced good music.
And I mean at this point why arent we complaining that you can save outside of Inns? Or that characters have names an personalities at all? FF just hasnt been the same since 2...
Yaaay I love the XIII games. Thanks for this.
I tried really hard to get into these games and just couldn't. Actually, I could say that about most, if not all, Final Fantasy games post-PS2. Lightning Returns was honestly the most interesting of the 3, IMO, despite being the least liked of them. Lost Odyssey remains the best "Final Fantasy" since then.
Yeah, Marc might be the only one who enjoys more the gameplay of lighting returns. I remember being quite disappointed when I learned that the battle system had little in common with the previous 2 games that I loved so much, FFXIII-2 in particular
Played the trilogy on the 360 back in the day, lots of fond memories.
When discussing alpha to coverage for hair rendering, there's another benefit: sorting. Even today, transparency sorting for rasterized rendering is still not actually solved (and very likely can't be), though there are a number of solutions that do an admirable job giving the appearance of proper sorting. If you get into that sort of technical detail, I recommend looking into order-independent transparency.
Alpha to coverage doesn't have any of the same sorting issues inherent to alpha blending, it's relatively cheap to render, and can look virtually identical to alpha blending under the right conditions. Super-sampled alpha to coverage looks fantastic at or above 4 samples per pixel, and can look just as good with certain temporal AA implementations for far lower performance cost compared to alpha blending.
i really do feel like the 13 games are looked back on now with a lot less hate in a post 15, 16, 7Remake world depending on who you ask. Also the trilogy art direction has such a vibe to it that it hasn't aged a day
I love the 13 games, and 13-2 is my favorite Final Fantasy game straight up. The presentation in all 3 is incredible, the transitions between cutscenes, battle, and pre-rendered scenes are fantastic. It really sucks how much of a goddamn nightmare it is to try to get the PC port of 13-2 to run at all since the PC versions of all three are pretty well optimized and run much more smoothly than the original consoles.
It's really shocking hearing that the 360 has stronger specs than the PS3 though, I had it in my head for 20 years now that 360 was a beast but PS3 barely surpassed it. Kinda glad now that my phat PS3 YLODed and I had to get a later model 360 to keep playing 7th gen games on console. Not too much of a loss either, other than MGS4, since PlayStation has no games lmao
Soundtrack of FF13 is by far one of the best in FF history, presentation was top notch too.
Damn I'm finna go back and play these
It certainly wasn't my favourite Final Fantasy, but the soundtrack really was great! Glad to see some love for the boss battle theme.
Amazing video guys. Hopefully these games get ported to modern consoles one day so that I can finally experience them
The prelude still one of my favourite
So what you are all saying is, with those resolution limitations on the 360 version (unless on a Series), the best way to play the 360 version is on a standard definition CRT.... Got it! 😃
I've played through all three of these recently-ish; I'm nice to them and see what's good - the audio/visual, the systems. Anything that involves writing, though, is to be ignored. At times I was sure the writers just had contempt for the work and the audience.
Talking about presentation, beautifully made video, love it. And I personally love so much ff13 story, its about prejudice and has so many emotional moments, the ending its wtf but ok lol
Amazing Video guys absolute 10/10 !!
Even though i didn't play FF13 myself and only played Lightning returns it was still packed with interesting content and every bit of the video was presented and explained so well and fully packed with information in a way that it really made me want to play 13 even though i don't like the combat system myself as many it seems but at the moment you played the battle song i was getting hyped ! And seeing the style and graphics kinda holding up nowadays still especially with mods it makes it a perfect time now to pick it up i suppose
Another excellent DF retro production. I never finished any of the FF13 games but play the first one a fair bit and really enjoyed it. I am surprised how much better the PS3 version was over the 360 though given the game's origins, it is not that surprising I guess.
Thanks again for another great DF retro video.
I think FF7 Rebirths implementation of NPCs giving out passive atmospheric dialogue is pretty good. I feel they have better things to say than FF7 Remake. Just an opinion. However there should be some indication of which NPC is speaking. A lot of times their dialogues are longer than a few seconds and it’s easy to run past their audio radius and missing what they say, then having to walk back slowly trying to see which one is going to trigger it again. Maybe when they are speaking a little a text box icon can pop over their heads?
Am so glad I have the series X versions of all 3 games
With a CFW PS3 and RSX Boost plus a full install on an SSD it eliminates nearly all the performance dips with these games. I have a 2100 slim at 750/900 for clock speeds, runs great.
It's funny how over time the game went from being derided to being loved, with most of the arguments defending it now being the exact same arguments I made back in 2009 when I was in high school. Like the thing you mentioned about how the game's environments aren't really that much more restrictive than ff10 or how the combat is less about what actions you take and moreso about when those actions are taken are both points I made way back and was criticized for, but i'm glad now people are realizing that yea despite the flaws its a great game. Story problems aside, the game has a lot to offer.
Actually there is an on/off toggle for resolution on Xbox. You have to access the 360 menu but it can toggle it on and off there. I hope DF sees this comment and looks like that up. But yes you can toggle performance and resolution.
Like I know this was made a bit ago but even then you could toggle it, I would think you would have added a correction or something ..
FF13 is the definition of BEAUTIFUL MESS.
54:00 Oh god it's 2022 again?
I remember watching that content back then.... This is that content + more!
FF13 was the first 1080P game I played. It made such a difference. There were'nt many 1080P games back then.
It was 720p on PS3 and even loweron X360.
The Xbox 360 never fails to amaze me. I can’t believe (but can) this console was able to put on this showing. 👏
FF13 series is my favorite out of the all FF games ❤
This is a great video guys FF13 is a mixed game for me but it definitely has its ups and the battle system is a great one. I do disagree with Marc about towns. obviously ymmv but towns represent a rest time in between exploration or dungeons, it helps pace JRPGs into modes of battling/exploring and then resting, knowing more about the setting and preparing for the next exploring session. Older final fantasies did this to great effect. The lack of resting time if you will then makes the dungeons feel overlong as it is ALL there is to do in the game and makes the game feel as if you are running a neverending marathon. All that said, graphics are still beautiful and the soundtrack is just as good. In the end it is completely understandable how someone can love it as well as hate it.
When I first played FF XIII I felt it was too constraining, and actually at first I kind of didn't like it much. Then I played the XIII-2 and it's contrived story and excelent soundtrack made me feel better about the whole package. Finally after playing XIII-3 (aka Lightning Returns) made me appreciate the trilogy a lot more, and as a whole they're probably one of my favorite Final Fantasy installements.
Would glady get a remaster / collection in a heartbeat.
Sweet video. FF XIII and XIII-2 aren't perfect by any means, but they'll always be special to me. Masashi Hamauzu's music is so so good.
FFXIII on Series X is fantastic. Even my save games from over a decade ago are there. Xbox really nailed it with backwards compatibility.
Really enjoyed this video!
I did'nt realized this would be so technical.
anyone know the name of the music in 54:54?
Love FF 13 and 13-2. Would really like a proper remaster for modern consoles.
damn, this turned into my night
Another Df Retro banger! I have to pick this trilogy for xbox for a new up rezzed playthrough, thank you for amazing content.
2022? When was this video made?
The upscaling and graphics mods that are available today on the pc version need to be replicated for a PS5 and Series X/S release. This game is stunningly beautiful running at 4k60
I'm playing the Steam version of Kingdom Hearts right now and I'm amazed at how good it still looks, the artstyle is really doing alot
soundtrack so good in ffxiii
I couldn't care less about FF13 but I loved your guys video about it!
32:05 Yes?? Speak for yourself I want to hear what random people have to say it's not just checking boxes and FOMO. As a historian we don't get to get to hear the perspective of random medieval people, a "popular history". Games let us talk to everybody and hear all these perspectives, I just don't like the idea assuming that talking to every villager in a game isn't "fun". What's the meme? That's... That's why I'm here?
54:04 It's now 2022 is it John??? 😆
Those B-roll is astonishing!
What is the point in combining two older videos?
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@@Juzimaster You mean the part about 4K playback? I feel like that’s hardly a reason to reupload something, especially after 1-2 years.
More clicks, more money.
haven’t tested performance with it but I’m fairly certain you CAN force the original resolution on enhanced xbox games via the 360 guide menu? (hit select + start, i forget the exact setting but it’s 100% a thing)