"I lied on the lounge, did no exercise, and ate vegan food and was overweight...then I started exercising and eating meat on a low calorie planned diet and lost weight... ...must have been the vegan food.." 😄
@@wakaneut You lost water weight, and it’ll come back with a vengeance. Form a healthy relationship with complex carbohydrates otherwise your weight will fluctuate wildly. You’ll eventually become diabetic, if you aren’t already.
They have the lowest bmi cuz they don't have any muscles. You have 30 year old vegan dudes that have the muscle tone of 5 year old boys. They are in fact girly men. Running what a girly man sport. I'm the opposite of the fat genes by the way, I can eat nothing but cheesecake, ice cream, chocolate cakes, steak, loads of beer, still don't put weight on. By the way Rogan is on hormone replacement so high testosterone which tends to make you lean. Turns out the ultimate diet is high testosterone.
I lost 40 kg (88 pounds approx.) over two years going whole food plant based diet and have a smaller waist size than when I was eighteen. I was on three medications for type 2 diabetes and now am only on one. I went vegan for health rather than for animal welfare or environmental reasons but now understand these are important.
Good job dude, you usually don't connect the dots with Animal Welfare or the environmental issues, since you think that mass producing meat for food is a good idea.
@@ononono7016 I cook for my partner and I and have for the last fifteen years so the only tricks I had to learn were "water sauteing" and using an air-fryer. I have been vegetarian since 1983 and had learnt to cook as a vegetarian so I wasn't as tempted by the fake meat vegan options. I even explained to a very good restaurant that does vegan thai curries with freshly bought veggies that I had tried his new offer of "vegan chicken" pieces but it tasted too chickeny for me.
@@wanashthegash for me it was the mass producing of dairy products that I had turned a blind eye to. Next year I will have been vegetarian / vegan for forty years so cheese and eggs were the things I gave up - along with oil, processed sugar and added salt.
So while Rick was vegan he ate alot of vegan restaurant food. Which tends to use oil and sauces in cooking. Gains a ton of weight while being sedentary. Then finally seeks help from nutritionist/ dr. They tell him to eat meat/egg and calorie restrict. Lose a ton of weight. Then blames veganism for poor habits. Sad. ☹️
@@bw1955 Yes, many ex-vegans did not eat well. However, some are so addicted to the slatherings of saturated fats, carnitine, hormones from eating animals, that they have a hard time with vegan--Dr. Klaper has some interesting video's about this, 'failed vegans'.
Blaming veganism was his way of refusing to accept responsibility for his lifestyle choices. Restaurant foods are high in fat so of course he would put on weight and simply by eating out all the time.
I’m 100% plant-based, mostly Whole Foods and still overweight. But I lost a ton of weight once I cut out all animal products and have kept it off for 5.5 years. I’m glad Mic included one of the things that stuck out to me when I saw this video. When asked what he ate he’s like “whatever they served at the restaurant.” It sounds like he can’t feed himself and was depending on restaurants to do so. Not a healthy eating pattern.
Thats right. Restaurants goal in general is to get customers to come back. So the food has to taste great. Probably deep fried or cooked with lots of oil and lots of sauce. This surely will get customers ta come on back. If I ate this way will gain weight in no time.
I'm not sure how much you care about being overweight as some people are cool with it if they are strict whole food plant based, but if you have a strong wish to lose weight then Dr. Mcdougall has weight loss tips on his website for people strict whole food-plant based (WFPB). It's free and there's a lot of tip but some tips work good for some people but not others. Good luck to you.
The singer Lizzo is a raw vegan and she is bigger. People also don’t all have the same body types as in Ayurveda there are Vatta, Pitta and Kapha body types, Lizzo would be a Kapha. Vegans come in all shapes and sizes.
@@bluetinsel7099 if you think lizzo is raw vegan then you are insane. If she is, she's only just started. Ain't nobody being obese on a raw vegan diet.
@@jimmypee8404 You’re insane if you think that she is not and have not gone to actually look into it. Again if her natural body type is Kapha then she could look bigger to you when she is actually a Kapha. So go look at her raw vegan videos before telling people it’s not true.
Easier to maintain a calorie deficit on a vegan diet. You took the easy road, same as me. I was too lazy to get in shape eating animals and cheated by only eating plants. Lazy me went from obese to 14% body fat in 2 years 💪
Understanding the principal of calorie density is very helpful. Fill your stomach with low calorie high nutrient plant foods. The water and fiber in them give you the bulk, and the starches like Beans, lentils, potatoes, corn, brown rice, quinoa, squash etc keep one satiated.
I heard the words that came out of his mouth. But this is what he actually said. "I didn't grow up in a household where we were taught how to eat properly and exercise, because that's how my mom grew up too."
I lost 54 lbs in 5 months after switching from SAD to WFPB. I cut out all the sugar oil salt that I could, and am finally at normal BMI for pretty much my first time as an adult. I didn't add exercise, I didn't count calories, and I never felt hungry. Most of the information that I used came directly from Mic and this channel, although tons of follow-up reading/watching. Oh, added bonuses, blood pressure, resting heart rate, cholesterol levels and blood sugars all improved as well. Thanks Mic, you've either saved my life, or drastically increased it's length.
I went vegan and have continued to lose weight over the years... after a decade of trying and trying to lose weight on a non-vegan diet. This is such rubbish, one guy got fat of a junk food vegan diet and yet millions are obese on a meat diet...unbelievable. Thanks Mic!!!
Your story is pretty standard. A plant based diet is a doable, longterm change which (depending on how balanced and adequate it is) will likely result in better overall health than a diet which includes animal products. This is the only type of diet which, according to research, results in meaningful, longterm fat loss.
Everyone’s body is difference. For instance my story is the complete opposite. I’ve been on a carnivore diet for about five months now, already lost 30 pounds, and my life is amazing. I feel energized every day, my mind is so much clear and not foggy. So I guess bottom line, everyone is different.
Veganism shouldn't be used as a scapegoat for anything; it's not a weight-loss diet! My roommate has told me he HAS to eat hardboiled eggs, because his doctor-who is a vegan-has told him he NEEDS high-quality egg protein. I'm just marking time until he leaves.
I gained weight after going vegan, but that’s because I started off eating junk like falafel wraps and fries. But once I started eating more whole foods, the weight came off.
Falafels themself are not really that bad, if they are made at home they can be baked instead of fried and instead of fries it could be accompanied with roasted potatoes that have herbs and lemon and other accoutrement with it. If the pita used is an issue then a gluten free wrap could be used instead. The falafels are chickpeas with herbs and spices, they have a good amount of fiber as well. Also a salad could be used for the side. So there are ways to have things you want without it being to much.
Yup. Same for me too. All the great meatless take out you can have now is awesome, but in the end just not that good for the body. To maintain a good weight though, I think walking and free weight exercises are very important to keep up.
The fact that he said a vegan diet is 'all carbs' got me wondering exactly what KIND of carbs he ate while vegan. Yeah, looks like he just needed to plan his meals and get some exercise. I am glad he said it wasn't the diet but him that was the issue.
The healthiest foods on the planet are carbs…broccoli, beans, sweet potatoes, blue berries, leafy greens are almost pure carbs. Carbs have the worst PR I swear. Just because refined carbs are unhealthy doesn’t mean carbs are unhealthy. Keto would go out of business as soon as people learned this simple fact.
"Vegetables, pizza, you know - the vegan things." Makes me think of John Mulaney talking about friends lumping movies together like Scarface and some of the most iconic, Oscar-winning movies ever made, haha.
Man, I'm glad you addressed this! Was really disappointed to see this of all things highlighted from JRE's clips recently. I'm a fan of virtually all of the music Rick Ruben has collaborated on; most of the artists I've heard of him working with are either in my repertoire, or at least highly respected. Not cool to equate poor lifestyle choices to a consequence of a 'vegan diet', which is too much of a blanket term.
Rick Rubin shared his fat loss story on The Tim Ferriss Show in 2015. In that interview, he mentioned he was a big consumer of almond butter, which is calorie-dense, and mostly fat calories.
@@TrojansFirst I'm lazy and just buy the canned beans, but I don't have a stove right now to cook the beans from scratch. Canned beans can be just as healthy imho, though. And filling!
@@RiDankulous yeah they are good quality but a potential problem with canned beans is BPA and BPS from the lining of the can. I think that’s why cartons have been getting popular lately.
@@thedancingveganatheist6310 I mean even beyond senior sometimes. Look at Mike Fremont who just turned 100. He’s been setting running records for a while.
@@TheCompleteGuitarist Robbie Ballenger. Scott Jurek. Hellah Sidibe. John Joseph McGowan. Harvey Lewis. Fiona Oakes off the top of my head. And no I’m not going to list all of their accomplishments, you can do that for yourself.
Not forgetting all the mainstream vested interests at odds with a no oil, no sodium 100 % WFPB diet including the diet industry itself marketing more expensive products that don't work as well.
Kevin Smith of Mallrats and Clerks etc fame said after his widow maker heart attack, "When I dropped meat, cheese, milk & eggs, I dropped 58 pounds too." Rubin did great stuff for music but he's clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to nutrition!
Vegan is a diet. Vegan is such a diet back when it's founder Donald Watson held the reigns to his Vegan Society it was called The Vegetable Diet. This was Before they started pushing animal activism. I fish. I kill about 100 fish a year. Doesn't bother me at all. When I eat vegan, I do it for health reasons.
It is possible to gain weight. If more calories are coming in than are being burned, weight is gained. It is that simple. It has happened to a person I know who eats pretty dang healthily as a vegan, low to no SOS (For example, the only oil was that used to oil a cast iron pan, and no salts or refined sugars), but gained about 60 pounds over the last few years because less calories burned while same or more whole food calories going in. Agree it is not a diet.
@@d.rabbitwhite eating „healthy“ doesn‘t mean the same to everybody. For example some people think smoothies, pasta with veggies, bread etc. is healthy but even if it‘s homemade it can lead to weight gain. But if you eat wfpb with only unprocessed whole grains, fruit, veggies, legumes and nuts, it‘s almost impossible to get over your healthiest weight, only if you have some medical condition like hypothyreosis, hormone dysbalance etc. If you have a balanced wfpb diet, you won‘t get much over the recomended calories intake (and also don‘t absorb all of the calories because of the fiber but that‘s another story) unless you are not balanced and would eat only nuts all day long lol.
That's why the OP put 'nearly'. One can gain weight WFPB but most folk stick to it to lose weight or stay slim as with the right food choices you can eat a lot and never count calories
He self admittedly ate a high fat highly processed vegan diet. He didn’t know how to cook so he depended heavily on vegan takeout and vegan restaurants for his meals. He wasn’t eating a whole food plant based diet.
"What about veganism got you that big?" The guy's just said he spent his whole life laying on the sofa & not exercising, Joe 😂😂😂 As much as you'd like it to be, the vegan diet ain't the culprit 😂😂😂
Yea, you could tell Joe Rogan was eating that right up, this was his chance to show how horrible veganism is. Shows his bias, since he's had very healthy vegans on his show before..but apparently he has amnesia.
@@DamonVargas Yeah, I actually don't mind him as a person but he has such an obvious bias towards meat & against veganism it's frustrating. If Rubin had said he was that weight while eating paleo or keto or whatever diet Joe supports, for 20odd years, he'd have seen the weight gain for what it so obviously was: a caloric surplus. I'm sure wouldn't have let his diet be demonized. He has a real, maybe willful, blind spot on this topic
I found it so narcissistic that people justify the environmental damage and cruelty of this carnivore diet simply because it makes them feel a bit better or something. I cannot help but wonder if certain people are promoting this idea as a grift. Because veganism as an idea threatens peoples idea of themselves as good people yet they support these cruel industries. Its must be pretty easy to steal a few bucks from them just saying veganism made me fat and unhealthy. How can someone go from thinking I will avoid all forms of animal suffering to. OH now I pretty much only eat dead animals. All the money in the world wont buy back your soul, the media is saturated with these grifters promoting animal cruelty.
"All carbs." Big time red flag. I am an overweight vegan who has cut back the processed foods. Guess who's losing weight? Trust me, if dude had two or three bagels with Earth Balance "butter" for breakfast, meatless, Chinese take out for lunch and a meatless burger with greasy fries for dinner, he could EASILY retain his 300 lbs. status. It's about the fruits and veggies not just simple carbs! And for the record I would have had only one bagel, but then again, I never reached 300.
Yes a vegan WFPB diet wouldn't have made him obese but a vegan diet that isn't WFPB but vegan junk processed foods based it shouldn't surprise you that it makes you obese because of the refined carbs and saturated fat in coconut oil, palm oil. Another awesome video Mic debunking his claim that the vegan diet made him obese because even though there's some obese vegans they won't be in the majority because not every vegan eats the processed junk foods.
Earlier in the podcast, Rick Rubin rather proudly admits to falling back asleep after his wife awoke him to say the house was on fire, trusting her to take care of it, and then nearly burning to death, needing to be coaxed to even jump out a low-enough window to escape the flames. So, yeah, trusting his judgments may be mild folly ;)
it's interesting that someone who is looked at as one of the most successful persons in the world can be so disconnected with common sense - he always seemed like nothing less than a horrible person to me
I’m sedentary, I lie in my bed most of the days and even though I use food for self-soothing but I don’t stuff my face with junk all the time, just a few pieces of chocolate instead of a whole block and sometimes something oily or processed, I eat whole foods but also pasta and bread and I didn’t become obese just gained 3 kilos since the pandemic
Yeah, my carb intake is definitely the largest consumed macro yet I have no problem keeping my weight I lost, off. However, I bet he was eating a lot of fried and processed vegan foods. Although, being sedentary does make it even easier to eat too much.
Sigh. Rick was no whole food plant based diet adherent it really sounds like- he regularly dined probably on oily based, processed, refined sugar type plant based foods and drinks. No wonder, with sedentary living alongside this, he became overweight. He then went to sources that would help him lose weight, but long term unhealthily is the worry. Rick needed the docs like Ornish, McDougall, Barnard etc. What a shame he went for the opposite. Joe Rogan missed the latter too, and does time and again. Sigh.
@@Jodamo 28yrs not enough?😉 lol. Wouldn't surprise me if I've been vegan longer than u've been alive. B12 no, take supplements. D get prob too much sun. A NZ study showed that in summer 5mins sun exposure on face and hands is all you need. I get 10times+ that amount. So again no. Om3 take chia and flax daily so get plenty.
Eating large French fries with ketchup and soda is also a vegan diet. It sounds like he ate excess calories (I noticed some vegan restaurants go overboard with oil in their food to improve satiety and flavor) and probably had some food sensitivity that made him bloated and inflamed. My partner was always little bit on a big side but once he stopped eating wheat products (turns out he was gluten sensitive) he just started to lose weight without even trying. He eats tons of rice and nuts and still his weight is going down.
Do you not see the natural issue with this… when you eat a proper human diet it’s basically impossible to over eat. On keto it’s carnivore you don’t have to weepy about how much butter, salt, or meat you eat because your body tells you when to shut it off. By definition if you’re having to worry about caloric intake on your “diet” then it’s not a species specific diet
That’s funny how people always trying to make vegan bad. I been vegan for almost 6 years and ever since I been vegan “ whole Plant based lifestyle I have lost about 85 lbs so not sure what this guy is talking about in the interview . Of course you will gain weight if you eat all the vegan bad food that’s why it’s important to eat a whole plant based vegan lifestyle it works wonders 👌. Good job on the video Mic🙏👊
You can gain weight/lose weight with any diet if we looked at only calories, probably. I lose weight even eating some junk food because majority of my diet is whole grains and lentils (which is a high carb meal).
Thanks for the great video, Mic! Maybe you can make a video about this : Dispelling Brain Health Misunderstandings: A Response to Joe Rogan and Max Lugavere (by Team Sherzai)
I go to Real Food Daily. They are on the healthy side but they do sell desserts. If you eat a ton of desserts you could definitely gain tons of weight.
The meat industry definitely benefits from Rogan to shame the vegan movement. He doesn't understand that it's vegan and plantbased. Vegans can definitely gain weight especially with added oils. I gained 50 lbs eating vegan junk food 😋 vegan cheese and desserts 🍨. I was like 200 lbs. On a Plant based diet I lost weight especially with no oil. I went from 185lbs to 159lbs. I was convinced to I was a vegan and gained so much weight when I was plantbased. Yeah now I'm repping plant based not vegan. But I support all vegans.
This is not exactly true. If you look into experiments on human de novo lipogenesis, humans are extremely inefficient at turning carbohydrates into fat. So you could overeat 400 calories of pure sugar, and gain very little fat (insignificant) from that sugar. The lipogenesis processes itself uses up a lot of those calories. But where the issue lies is that now you intake in excess of the requirement of your metabolic rate, so any fat you intake, is practically all going to be stored around your body. What this means is that you could eat a very low fat diet, and over eat carbs by hundreds of calories if you so wish, and gain practically no fat. Not that I would recommend it if you have no health impediments that would benefit from fat being at a very low intake (e.g. late stage atherosclerosis), because fat in combination with other foods tastes awesome (and it is used in many metabolic processes as well, such as testosterone production). So there are factors to consider, but what will apply to most people is that tracking caloric intake will be more preferable.
@@JohnDoe-xk1dv Yeah, restaurant food, even vegan food, tends to be swimming with or fried in oil or some other fat. If he ate in restaurants most days (as a successful producer, it's possible that he ate at restaurants more often than most of the public), then it's not surprising that he gained a lot of weight. So many people mention how they drop weight when they stop eating in restaurants on a regular basis.
Please do a video on why people gain weight. You were saying that it's the fat that one consumes that goes into the fat cells, and Dr. Klaper says it's eating carbs and fats together which is the problem. But you also mentioned "fat gene" and "calories in, calories out". I would love to see a deep dive on this topic.
When I started the vegan diet, I ate ready-made products that pretend to be meat or fish, these are usually very high-calorie ready-made meals. During the first year of this diet, I gained a lot of weight. Then I started cooking myself, groats, lentils, chickpeas, etc. and tofu (soybeans) in reasonable amounts - Now I can maintain my weight easily. It is a very interesting point that Rick was not informed anywhere that restaurant food is prepared to taste good rather than be healthy, he could certainly pay for a private vegan chef and dietician (a very popular trend if one can afford it). He's probably in an information bubble that hasn't received such information, but it's quite strange and sad.
Another area not discussed was his alcohol intake. Many people drink. I don’t know if he does or doesn’t but…that a huge calorie contributor. I’ve been vegan 5 years now. When I dropped alcohol about 3 years ago, I went from lean, to much much leaner. I was drinking about 6-10 IPA’s beers a week at roughly 250 cal each. You do the math.
I lost too much weight going plant-based while simultaneously working a very physically demanding job. I was never hungry enough to eat more calories, so I quit my job. I Still haven’t gained needed weight back after 9 months of practically zero exercise. I have plenty of energy, so I don’t feel like I need to exercise.
That sounds like a problem. Everyone needs exercise/movement. Maybe look into including higher caloric-dense foods like nuts, seeds, dry fruit, maybe even oil.
What is your definition of lost too much weight? any data? If you have plenty of energy, you might just be comparing with the societal norm of being overweight???
Thank you for calling this idiocy out. I'm sure it had to be constant cringe producing this. You're so awesome doing exactly what needs to be done! You put Joe to shame with your content. I love your work so much!
I went whole food-plant based (strict) to lower my serum cholesterol which made it ideal and has been that way for 6 years now. I dropped from 193 lb to 140 and hover around that +- up to 5-10 lb. As far as this guy who lost weight, yeah he was clearly a junk food vegan. If he went whole food-plant based he would very likely be down over 50 lb just like me. Still, for some people they have trouble so Dr. Mcdougall has a free web article about weight loss tips on strict whole food-plant based. For me, I eat a handful of nuts or two daily to keep weight from dropping. I track food in cronometer to make sure I am striving for 100% RDA on all the vitamins.
Apparently, one of those pounds was brain loss. Whether a diet is vegan or non-vegan does not determine weight management, and you can destroy your health with both if you are not paying attention to the other fundamental factors that constitute a healthy diet. Is the diet adequate? Nutritionally balanced,? The right amount of calories for the person and his lifestyle? Does it provide a large variety of ingredients? And, is strict moderation exercised with regard to sweets or other indulgences? The only one who can keep track of how each of these factors is being met is the individual for himself. His big mistake was to not prepare his own food....eating at restaurants nearly guarantees failure.
It will ALWAYS be cals in, cals out, the equation will never change, just the amounts. If people ACTUALLY tracked their calories properly to see what and WHERE there calories are going to, it would be a massive eye-opener. Calorie Deficit for the WIN!
almost but interestingly, if you do whole-food plant-based nutrition then you can take in more calories but don't store them as much as if you do junk / omnivore. Calorie for calorie
@@spiral-m Just because you burn more, doesn't change the equation, it just changes the amounts. Those extra calories don't just go poof in to thin air =P
Great video, so thoughtfully presented as usual. Wow, 42% of the US is obese?? I did not know that. It boggles my mind how people like Rick Rubin who are so gifted and in many ways so intelligent can think that just because a diet is 'vegan' it'll help them lose weight. They still eat too many calories and forgot one simple rule: calories in calories out. I mean how hard is that to understand? He said himself he sat on the couch for 22 years and at (mostly) at restaurants. Seems he's not a very smart man. OK, rant over. Thanks for addressing this 👍
Rogan: "Were you eating vegetables, or were you eating pizza?" Rubin: " Vegetables, pizza, what... like whatever they were serving in vegetarian restaurant..." What? Wait, what the f()ck does it have to do with vegan? really?
I remember only up until a few years ago, I was obsessed with being slim and perfect. It was never good enough even though I had a perfect regime. For so many years. Solitude, shame, isolation over not feeling good enough. I will never aim for that again. I will aim at eating a healthy planbased diet, regular exercise, good sleep (if we are talking about health and body, not even mentioning purpose, mental health, education, relationships etc right now), and I will not let anyone criticise myself or my body. The plantbased diet is a very healthy diet. If you eat enough, you don’t get skinny like a skeleton. Thinner is not better. Strong and healthy is a good aim.
20 years ago i learned that calories were debunked in my nursung and exercise science courses. Its frustrating that the public still uses calories as a dietary measurements.
Yiannis Kouros is probably the best runner of all time and set legendary running records in the 80s and 90s. When interviewed he said he followed a "strict vegetarian" diet of no meat, no fish, no eggs, no dairy.
It continues to blow me away almost daily how really intelligent and talented people such as Rick just don’t make the simple connections necessary to understand how their food choices affect their health. Just like in religion, people will just use whatever logic they can find to justify their beliefs.
I have a pretty unhealthy diet as far as vegan diets go (way too much sugar especially) and am pretty sedentary too, but even so I am only a little overweight (like, I should loose maybe 15kg to be ideal) and my blood tests all looked pretty dang good. Either way, even if it were easy to get obese, the issue is surely not the plants lol
But it's the all too common problem, high sugar intake. We will see what happens to the vegans and diabetes in the future because it's a new fad which was once a sub culture of healthy hippies. These will be the long term vegans who aren't cheagans and just in it for the internet dollars but eat meat and dairy.
I started becoming a fat vegan after I started eating gardein every other night and sitting on my butt as much as i could whenever i wasn't busy being a mom in order to get online work done, lol working on losing it all now and switching to healthier plant based alternatives
Finally people talking about trauma being a cause of obesity - the studies support it as a possible cause! He's also working with other traumatised people with addictions so this makes complete sense. Another amazing and well-researched video. If only these "ex-vegans" did 5% of the research you do...
Gained weight when I was younger drinking beer and cocktails. When I stopped drinking felt better and looked a bit better. Beverages are easy to count out.
Diet is not ever the only source of health. It is and always has been about how someone lives. Dr Ornish is an advocate for a whole being approach which obviously includes diet but not the only source of health.
Imagine having that sort of money and not getting a nutritionist in 22 years to make a well balanced diet plan for you. The only way to become obese aside from the very very few who have medical issues is by eating a SHIT ton of SHITTY food. Guy sat on the couch all day and ate junk food lol tf did he think was bouta happen? Edit: “how can that guy run 1000 miles and I get tired walking to the end of the driveway” he literally said he SAT on the couch and just ate a bunch of food. Wtf is going on…
I'm not a vegan, but over the past year I've made it a point to start eating fruit and vegetables (prior to this year I ate junk food from door dash every day) and at first I didn't notice a difference. My weight didn't change and my body overall looked the same. It was only after I said "screw it" and went back to junk food that I noticed the HUGE difference. Besides feeling horrible immediately, it got to the point where I would literally DREAM about fruits lol. Like even my subconcious mind was like, "dude, please give us some more pineapple and stop eating mcdonalds". I doubt I could go vegan, but I'm happy with the bulk of my diet being plant based.
I actually remember seeing a doc in which he promoted the vegan diet just a few years ago, where he tied it to meditation and mindfulness. It just shows how identity politics via highly charged topics like diet, religion, political affiliation, social justice ideas become a fad for most as I myself have changed my stance on all these topics as I have evolved; What I have learned is we are all different and thus can thrive on different "ideas" that others can't & vise versa. Trust yourself, do your own research and experiment until you find what works and be willing to change if your no longer thriving. Throwing an entire diet under the bus because it didn't work for you or you simply changed your mind is not conducive to people finding things out for themselves.
He did produce a Metallica album but that was a pic of Slayer which he had a longer relationship with. He also produced Live Fast Die Fast by Wolfsbane.
"I lied on the lounge, did no exercise, and ate vegan food and was overweight...then I started exercising and eating meat on a low calorie planned diet and lost weight...
...must have been the vegan food.."
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I don't exercise, went with carnivore diet, and lost weight.
@@wakaneut You lost water weight, and it’ll come back with a vengeance. Form a healthy relationship with complex carbohydrates otherwise your weight will fluctuate wildly. You’ll eventually become diabetic, if you aren’t already.
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 lol
@@wakaneut Carnivore is a psy-op.
I really don’t understand why people think there is a universal vegan diet. Like no we all eat differently, just like omnivores do.
Amen!!
Maybe because you dummies just say “Go vegan “ without any constraints
FR 🤦🏾♀️
They have the lowest bmi cuz they don't have any muscles. You have 30 year old vegan dudes that have the muscle tone of 5 year old boys. They are in fact girly men. Running what a girly man sport. I'm the opposite of the fat genes by the way, I can eat nothing but cheesecake, ice cream, chocolate cakes, steak, loads of beer, still don't put weight on. By the way Rogan is on hormone replacement so high testosterone which tends to make you lean. Turns out the ultimate diet is high testosterone.
yeah, but all vegan diet are unhealthy.
I lost 40 kg (88 pounds approx.) over two years going whole food plant based diet and have a smaller waist size than when I was eighteen.
I was on three medications for type 2 diabetes and now am only on one.
I went vegan for health rather than for animal welfare or environmental reasons but now understand these are important.
Good job dude, you usually don't connect the dots with Animal Welfare or the environmental issues, since you think that mass producing meat for food is a good idea.
Amazing. I can't bring myself to cook regularly but I would love to one day eat a mostly whole food vegan diet
@@ononono7016
I cook for my partner and I and have for the last fifteen years so the only tricks I had to learn were "water sauteing" and using an air-fryer.
I have been vegetarian since 1983 and had learnt to cook as a vegetarian so I wasn't as tempted by the fake meat vegan options.
I even explained to a very good restaurant that does vegan thai curries with freshly bought veggies that I had tried his new offer of "vegan chicken" pieces but it tasted too chickeny for me.
@@wanashthegash
for me it was the mass producing of dairy products that I had turned a blind eye to.
Next year I will have been vegetarian / vegan for forty years so cheese and eggs were the things I gave up - along with oil, processed sugar and added salt.
It takes true strength for males to become vegan and be compassionate. God bless you on your journey.
So while Rick was vegan he ate alot of vegan restaurant food. Which tends to use oil and sauces in cooking. Gains a ton of weight while being sedentary. Then finally seeks help from nutritionist/ dr. They tell him to eat meat/egg and calorie restrict. Lose a ton of weight. Then blames veganism for poor habits. Sad. ☹️
Same story with every “ex-vegan.”
@@bw1955 Yes, many ex-vegans did not eat well. However, some are so addicted to the slatherings of
saturated fats, carnitine, hormones from eating animals, that they have a hard time with vegan--Dr. Klaper has
some interesting video's about this, 'failed vegans'.
Blaming veganism was his way of refusing to accept responsibility for his lifestyle choices. Restaurant foods are high in fat so of course he would put on weight and simply by eating out all the time.
I’m 100% plant-based, mostly Whole Foods and still overweight. But I lost a ton of weight once I cut out all animal products and have kept it off for 5.5 years.
I’m glad Mic included one of the things that stuck out to me when I saw this video. When asked what he ate he’s like “whatever they served at the restaurant.” It sounds like he can’t feed himself and was depending on restaurants to do so. Not a healthy eating pattern.
Thats right. Restaurants goal in general is to get customers to come back. So the food has to taste great. Probably deep fried or cooked with lots of oil and lots of sauce. This surely will get customers ta come on back. If I ate this way will gain weight in no time.
I'm not sure how much you care about being overweight as some people are cool with it if they are strict whole food plant based, but if you have a strong wish to lose weight then Dr. Mcdougall has weight loss tips on his website for people strict whole food-plant based (WFPB). It's free and there's a lot of tip but some tips work good for some people but not others. Good luck to you.
The singer Lizzo is a raw vegan and she is bigger. People also don’t all have the same body types as in Ayurveda there are Vatta, Pitta and Kapha body types, Lizzo would be a Kapha. Vegans come in all shapes and sizes.
@@bluetinsel7099 if you think lizzo is raw vegan then you are insane. If she is, she's only just started. Ain't nobody being obese on a raw vegan diet.
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You’re insane if you think that she is not and have not gone to actually look into it. Again if her natural body type is Kapha then she could look bigger to you when she is actually a Kapha. So go look at her raw vegan videos before telling people it’s not true.
I lost 160lbs over two years after going vegan , with a calorie deficit of course. Maintained my weight loss for years now.
Awesome job! You nailed it with the calorie deficit! Yeah, that's what I liked so much about it, keeping it off in the end was matters.
That's it, vegan or not vegan, a slight calorie deficit is the answer
Hero
Easier to maintain a calorie deficit on a vegan diet. You took the easy road, same as me. I was too lazy to get in shape eating animals and cheated by only eating plants. Lazy me went from obese to 14% body fat in 2 years 💪
Understanding the principal of calorie density is very helpful. Fill your stomach with low calorie high nutrient plant foods. The water and fiber in them give you the bulk, and the starches like Beans, lentils, potatoes, corn, brown rice, quinoa, squash etc keep one satiated.
I heard the words that came out of his mouth. But this is what he actually said.
"I didn't grow up in a household where we were taught how to eat properly and exercise, because that's how my mom grew up too."
I lost 54 lbs in 5 months after switching from SAD to WFPB. I cut out all the sugar oil salt that I could, and am finally at normal BMI for pretty much my first time as an adult. I didn't add exercise, I didn't count calories, and I never felt hungry. Most of the information that I used came directly from Mic and this channel, although tons of follow-up reading/watching. Oh, added bonuses, blood pressure, resting heart rate, cholesterol levels and blood sugars all improved as well.
Thanks Mic, you've either saved my life, or drastically increased it's length.
The diet is for losing weight, not as an ongoing thing and u just look like Mic.
22 years of veganism probably saved his life. He may not have lived to misinterpret his experience otherwise.
This is an awesome comment 👏
Same, I was obese before being vegan, not just obese but I had zero energy and doing baisc shores was hard.
good point. And his choices of food were certainly not the best either way.
Such a great point. It’s like how they blame Steve Jobs’ death on veganism. When it’s probably what kept him alive for so long.
I'm sure he was drinking during that time also, which in itself in excess causes weight gain.
Glad you covered this because I saw the original clip and thought to myself “Dude what the hell were you eating?”
I went vegan and have continued to lose weight over the years... after a decade of trying and trying to lose weight on a non-vegan diet. This is such rubbish, one guy got fat of a junk food vegan diet and yet millions are obese on a meat diet...unbelievable. Thanks Mic!!!
Your story is pretty standard. A plant based diet is a doable, longterm change which (depending on how balanced and adequate it is) will likely result in better overall health than a diet which includes animal products. This is the only type of diet which, according to research, results in meaningful, longterm fat loss.
Everyone’s body is difference. For instance my story is the complete opposite. I’ve been on a carnivore diet for about five months now, already lost 30 pounds, and my life is amazing. I feel energized every day, my mind is so much clear and not foggy. So I guess bottom line, everyone is different.
He said his mom was obese, was she also vegan?
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Veganism shouldn't be used as a scapegoat for obesity. Once again, Mic debunks with common sense science!
“Common sense science” is oxymoronic.
@@Liliquan Or is it? Isn't science a systematic & controlled extension of good old-fashioned common sense? Just vegan food for thought. 🌞
The food pyramid that led America to 70% is plant-based... veganism = sugar diet.
@@Liliquan I see that you're exercising your condescension. Taking it out for a walk. Got it.
Veganism shouldn't be used as a scapegoat for anything; it's not a weight-loss diet!
My roommate has told me he HAS to eat hardboiled eggs, because his doctor-who is a vegan-has told him he NEEDS high-quality egg protein. I'm just marking time until he leaves.
I gained weight after going vegan, but that’s because I started off eating junk like falafel wraps and fries. But once I started eating more whole foods, the weight came off.
Congratulations on making your vegan diet healthy. 🏆👏
Falafels themself are not really that bad, if they are made at home they can be baked instead of fried and instead of fries it could be accompanied with roasted potatoes that have herbs and lemon and other accoutrement with it. If the pita used is an issue then a gluten free wrap could be used instead. The falafels are chickpeas with herbs and spices, they have a good amount of fiber as well. Also a salad could be used for the side. So there are ways to have things you want without it being to much.
Yup. Same for me too. All the great meatless take out you can have now is awesome, but in the end just not that good for the body. To maintain a good weight though, I think walking and free weight exercises are very important to keep up.
You hit the nail on the head!
What is unhealthy in a falafel wrap?
When saying "working with Metallica", you're showing a picture of the band Slayer, lol
Yeah, I wondered about that. lol
Ok so I’m not the only one who noticed 😂
The fact that he said a vegan diet is 'all carbs' got me wondering exactly what KIND of carbs he ate while vegan. Yeah, looks like he just needed to plan his meals and get some exercise. I am glad he said it wasn't the diet but him that was the issue.
The healthiest foods on the planet are carbs…broccoli, beans, sweet potatoes, blue berries, leafy greens are almost pure carbs. Carbs have the worst PR I swear. Just because refined carbs are unhealthy doesn’t mean carbs are unhealthy. Keto would go out of business as soon as people learned this simple fact.
"Vegetables, pizza, you know - the vegan things."
Makes me think of John Mulaney talking about friends lumping movies together like Scarface and some of the most iconic, Oscar-winning movies ever made, haha.
He was very likely a classic junk food vegan.
So Rick Rubin did his best work while vegan..
Oh he clearly had no idea what he was eating. Like he wasn't looking at the back of a box of Tofu and saying, "See! It's all Carbs!"
It's so dumb how these people say that veganism makes you overweight AND underweight
it is !
100!!!!!
Don’t forget if you’re muscular or healthy they think you’re either rich or on drugs
it does. it is an unhealthy diet.
I did go on a diet for 6 months of only eating sheep eye balls and lost 30 pounds. I'm in the process of writing a book.
Man, I'm glad you addressed this! Was really disappointed to see this of all things highlighted from JRE's clips recently. I'm a fan of virtually all of the music Rick Ruben has collaborated on; most of the artists I've heard of him working with are either in my repertoire, or at least highly respected.
Not cool to equate poor lifestyle choices to a consequence of a 'vegan diet', which is too much of a blanket term.
Rick Rubin shared his fat loss story on The Tim Ferriss Show in 2015.
In that interview, he mentioned he was a big consumer of almond butter, which is calorie-dense, and mostly fat calories.
Yeah too lazy to cook up a pot of beans and create some healthy meals. Just tried the lazy method of filling up on calories from almond butter jars.
@@TrojansFirst I'm lazy and just buy the canned beans, but I don't have a stove right now to cook the beans from scratch. Canned beans can be just as healthy imho, though. And filling!
@Jonah Whale I found the transcript of that show. Rick said: "So, I probably ate two thirds of a jar of almond butter every day." Mystery solved.
@@RiDankulous yeah they are good quality but a potential problem with canned beans is BPA and BPS from the lining of the can. I think that’s why cartons have been getting popular lately.
There are countless accomplished vegan endurance athletes that are doing crazy things most people can’t or won’t even try to do.
And many of them are senior citizens who can run faster and farther than I ever could!
@@thedancingveganatheist6310 I mean even beyond senior sometimes. Look at Mike Fremont who just turned 100. He’s been setting running records for a while.
@@travisw.5116 Damn.
Such as?
@@TheCompleteGuitarist Robbie Ballenger. Scott Jurek. Hellah Sidibe. John Joseph McGowan. Harvey Lewis. Fiona Oakes off the top of my head. And no I’m not going to list all of their accomplishments, you can do that for yourself.
He’s bashing vegan for the money. Look how it got him on Rogan and now his brand has been enhanced.
Not forgetting all the mainstream vested interests at odds with a no oil, no sodium 100 % WFPB diet including the diet industry itself marketing more expensive products that don't work as well.
Finally hits the gym, eats much needed omega 3, and consumed b12.
“Meat has saved my life, I’m so stupid 🤡!”
If the diet can't stand on it's own without big pharma it's clearly unhealthy.
Yes meat save lives 🤤🍖
The only time i gain weight was due to too much dietary fat
Kevin Smith of Mallrats and Clerks etc fame said after his widow maker heart attack, "When I dropped meat, cheese, milk & eggs, I dropped 58 pounds too."
Rubin did great stuff for music but he's clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to nutrition!
Vegan isn't a diet, Rick
And if you're eating WFPB, it's nearly impossible to get obese (oil is not WFPB)
I agree.
It's a lifestyle.
And a GREAT one. 👍
Vegan is a diet. Vegan is such a diet back when it's founder Donald Watson held the reigns to his Vegan Society it was called The Vegetable Diet. This was Before they started pushing animal activism. I fish. I kill about 100 fish a year. Doesn't bother me at all. When I eat vegan, I do it for health reasons.
It is possible to gain weight. If more calories are coming in than are being burned, weight is gained. It is that simple. It has happened to a person I know who eats pretty dang healthily as a vegan, low to no SOS (For example, the only oil was that used to oil a cast iron pan, and no salts or refined sugars), but gained about 60 pounds over the last few years because less calories burned while same or more whole food calories going in.
Agree it is not a diet.
@@d.rabbitwhite eating „healthy“ doesn‘t mean the same to everybody. For example some people think smoothies, pasta with veggies, bread etc. is healthy but even if it‘s homemade it can lead to weight gain. But if you eat wfpb with only unprocessed whole grains, fruit, veggies, legumes and nuts, it‘s almost impossible to get over your healthiest weight, only if you have some medical condition like hypothyreosis, hormone dysbalance etc.
If you have a balanced wfpb diet, you won‘t get much over the recomended calories intake (and also don‘t absorb all of the calories because of the fiber but that‘s another story) unless you are not balanced and would eat only nuts all day long lol.
That's why the OP put 'nearly'.
One can gain weight WFPB but most folk stick to it to lose weight or stay slim as with the right food choices you can eat a lot and never count calories
I was waiting for you to make this video. My dad brought this up to me yesterday
Thanks Mic! Was so pissed off by that Rogan clip appreciate your video.
He self admittedly ate a high fat highly processed vegan diet. He didn’t know how to cook so he depended heavily on vegan takeout and vegan restaurants for his meals.
He wasn’t eating a whole food plant based diet.
I was hoping you would cover this. Perfect like always!
Just when I didn't think I could possibly despise Toe Rogan anymore, I do !.....
Joe Rogan: claims to give all viewpoints a platform
Joe Rogan: actively only seeks out anyone who can discredit the vegan diet
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I'd like to see if he could find some obese omnivores and interview them, I know they'd be hard to find, but he's got resources 🤣
@@teagoldleaf4137 🤣🤣🤣
"What about veganism got you that big?"
The guy's just said he spent his whole life laying on the sofa & not exercising, Joe 😂😂😂
As much as you'd like it to be, the vegan diet ain't the culprit 😂😂😂
Yea, you could tell Joe Rogan was eating that right up, this was his chance to show how horrible veganism is. Shows his bias, since he's had very healthy vegans on his show before..but apparently he has amnesia.
@@DamonVargas Yeah, I actually don't mind him as a person but he has such an obvious bias towards meat & against veganism it's frustrating.
If Rubin had said he was that weight while eating paleo or keto or whatever diet Joe supports, for 20odd years, he'd have seen the weight gain for what it so obviously was: a caloric surplus.
I'm sure wouldn't have let his diet be demonized.
He has a real, maybe willful, blind spot on this topic
@@hannahmitchell87 yeah because his lifestyle depends on it: he has a great passion for hunting.
I found it so narcissistic that people justify the environmental damage and cruelty of this carnivore diet simply because it makes them feel a bit better or something. I cannot help but wonder if certain people are promoting this idea as a grift. Because veganism as an idea threatens peoples idea of themselves as good people yet they support these cruel industries. Its must be pretty easy to steal a few bucks from them just saying veganism made me fat and unhealthy. How can someone go from thinking I will avoid all forms of animal suffering to. OH now I pretty much only eat dead animals. All the money in the world wont buy back your soul, the media is saturated with these grifters promoting animal cruelty.
"All carbs." Big time red flag. I am an overweight vegan who has cut back the processed foods. Guess who's losing weight? Trust me, if dude had two or three bagels with Earth Balance "butter" for breakfast, meatless, Chinese take out for lunch and a meatless burger with greasy fries for dinner, he could EASILY retain his 300 lbs. status. It's about the fruits and veggies not just simple carbs! And for the record I would have had only one bagel, but then again, I never reached 300.
I feel sorry for your sphincter with a diet like that
Congratulations on your weight loss so far! Best of luck. 🙂
Yes a vegan WFPB diet wouldn't have made him obese but a vegan diet that isn't WFPB but vegan junk processed foods based it shouldn't surprise you that it makes you obese because of the refined carbs and saturated fat in coconut oil, palm oil. Another awesome video Mic debunking his claim that the vegan diet made him obese because even though there's some obese vegans they won't be in the majority because not every vegan eats the processed junk foods.
Earlier in the podcast, Rick Rubin rather proudly admits to falling back asleep after his wife awoke him to say the house was on fire, trusting her to take care of it, and then nearly burning to death, needing to be coaxed to even jump out a low-enough window to escape the flames. So, yeah, trusting his judgments may be mild folly ;)
it's interesting that someone who is looked at as one of the most successful persons in the world can be so disconnected with common sense - he always seemed like nothing less than a horrible person to me
I wish everyone watched your channel, Mic. You work so hard to get accurate, evidence-based info out to the masses. I appreciate you 🙏
I hope Rick Rubin and Joe Rogan watches his channel
I’m sedentary, I lie in my bed most of the days
and even though I use food for self-soothing but I don’t stuff my face with junk all the time, just a few pieces of chocolate instead of a whole block and sometimes something oily or processed, I eat whole foods but also pasta and bread and I didn’t become obese just gained 3 kilos since the pandemic
Yeah, my carb intake is definitely the largest consumed macro yet I have no problem keeping my weight I lost, off. However, I bet he was eating a lot of fried and processed vegan foods. Although, being sedentary does make it even easier to eat too much.
stick to music rick. leave diets to dieticians. leave ethical stances to ethical people.
Sigh. Rick was no whole food plant based diet adherent it really sounds like- he regularly dined probably on oily based, processed, refined sugar type plant based foods and drinks.
No wonder, with sedentary living alongside this, he became overweight. He then went to sources that would help him lose weight, but long term unhealthily is the worry.
Rick needed the docs like Ornish, McDougall, Barnard etc. What a shame he went for the opposite.
Joe Rogan missed the latter too, and does time and again. Sigh.
I see him gobbling bags of chips and pretzels washed down with soda.
Movement makes a difference, even just walking.
Glad you made a video about this Mic. It was really bothering me watching the Rick Ruben interview.
I've nearly been vegan for 3 decades. My bmi is 21. I also eat mainly carbs. I wonder when my obesity is going to kick in?
Probably same time your b12, d, omega 3 and all the other deficiencies kick in 😉
@@Jodamo 28yrs not enough?😉 lol. Wouldn't surprise me if I've been vegan longer than u've been alive. B12 no, take supplements. D get prob too much sun. A NZ study showed that in summer 5mins sun exposure on face and hands is all you need. I get 10times+ that amount. So again no. Om3 take chia and flax daily so get plenty.
🤣 I know right?! 🙄
@@Jodamo A good joke! It seems that your brain goes haywire each time you see a healthy vegan.
When your diabetes and heart issues kick in, likely. Skinny or thin doesn't mean healthy.
Eating large French fries with ketchup and soda is also a vegan diet. It sounds like he ate excess calories (I noticed some vegan restaurants go overboard with oil in their food to improve satiety and flavor) and probably had some food sensitivity that made him bloated and inflamed. My partner was always little bit on a big side but once he stopped eating wheat products (turns out he was gluten sensitive) he just started to lose weight without even trying. He eats tons of rice and nuts and still his weight is going down.
Do you not see the natural issue with this… when you eat a proper human diet it’s basically impossible to over eat. On keto it’s carnivore you don’t have to weepy about how much butter, salt, or meat you eat because your body tells you when to shut it off. By definition if you’re having to worry about caloric intake on your “diet” then it’s not a species specific diet
That’s funny how people always trying to make vegan bad. I been vegan for almost 6 years and ever since I been vegan “ whole Plant based lifestyle I have lost about 85 lbs so not sure what this guy is talking about in the interview . Of course you will gain weight if you eat all the vegan bad food that’s why it’s important to eat a whole plant based vegan lifestyle it works wonders 👌. Good job on the video Mic🙏👊
You can gain weight/lose weight with any diet if we looked at only calories, probably. I lose weight even eating some junk food because majority of my diet is whole grains and lentils (which is a high carb meal).
This carb hate/fear is so frustrating.
Thanks for the great video, Mic! Maybe you can make a video about this : Dispelling Brain Health Misunderstandings: A Response to Joe Rogan and Max Lugavere (by Team Sherzai)
I go to Real Food Daily. They are on the healthy side but they do sell desserts. If you eat a ton of desserts you could definitely gain tons of weight.
The meat industry definitely benefits from Rogan to shame the vegan movement. He doesn't understand that it's vegan and plantbased. Vegans can definitely gain weight especially with added oils. I gained 50 lbs eating vegan junk food 😋 vegan cheese and desserts 🍨. I was like 200 lbs. On a Plant based diet I lost weight especially with no oil. I went from 185lbs to 159lbs. I was convinced to I was a vegan and gained so much weight when I was plantbased. Yeah now I'm repping plant based not vegan. But I support all vegans.
Eat more calories than you use -> gain weight
Eat less than you use -> lose weight
It's really that simple.
People don't like to take responsibility for that though thus diet blaming.
Exactly lol
This is not exactly true. If you look into experiments on human de novo lipogenesis, humans are extremely inefficient at turning carbohydrates into fat. So you could overeat 400 calories of pure sugar, and gain very little fat (insignificant) from that sugar. The lipogenesis processes itself uses up a lot of those calories. But where the issue lies is that now you intake in excess of the requirement of your metabolic rate, so any fat you intake, is practically all going to be stored around your body. What this means is that you could eat a very low fat diet, and over eat carbs by hundreds of calories if you so wish, and gain practically no fat. Not that I would recommend it if you have no health impediments that would benefit from fat being at a very low intake (e.g. late stage atherosclerosis), because fat in combination with other foods tastes awesome (and it is used in many metabolic processes as well, such as testosterone production). So there are factors to consider, but what will apply to most people is that tracking caloric intake will be more preferable.
Oreos held a gun to his head and made him eat them under duress
Wtf, tofu steak and brown sauce fattening??? Obviously he’s lying…
If it was swimming with/fried in oil (it probably was) he had problems right there, but probably knew no better.
@@JohnDoe-xk1dv Yeah, restaurant food, even vegan food, tends to be swimming with or fried in oil or some other fat. If he ate in restaurants most days (as a successful producer, it's possible that he ate at restaurants more often than most of the public), then it's not surprising that he gained a lot of weight. So many people mention how they drop weight when they stop eating in restaurants on a regular basis.
Please do a video on why people gain weight. You were saying that it's the fat that one consumes that goes into the fat cells, and Dr. Klaper says it's eating carbs and fats together which is the problem. But you also mentioned "fat gene" and "calories in, calories out". I would love to see a deep dive on this topic.
When I started the vegan diet, I ate ready-made products that pretend to be meat or fish, these are usually very high-calorie ready-made meals. During the first year of this diet, I gained a lot of weight. Then I started cooking myself, groats, lentils, chickpeas, etc. and tofu (soybeans) in reasonable amounts - Now I can maintain my weight easily. It is a very interesting point that Rick was not informed anywhere that restaurant food is prepared to taste good rather than be healthy, he could certainly pay for a private vegan chef and dietician (a very popular trend if one can afford it). He's probably in an information bubble that hasn't received such information, but it's quite strange and sad.
3:09 working on Slayer’s Reign In Blood album is what really took Rick Rubin on a dark path 😂
count on rogan for a dose of b.s. Thanks for posting.
Another area not discussed was his alcohol intake. Many people drink. I don’t know if he does or doesn’t but…that a huge calorie contributor. I’ve been vegan 5 years now. When I dropped alcohol about 3 years ago, I went from lean, to much much leaner. I was drinking about 6-10 IPA’s beers a week at roughly 250 cal each. You do the math.
He’s in the music business, drugs and alcohol definitely had something to do with it. As a vegan, anytime I drink alcohol it just piles on the pounds.
I lost too much weight going plant-based while simultaneously working a very physically demanding job. I was never hungry enough to eat more calories, so I quit my job. I Still haven’t gained needed weight back after 9 months of practically zero exercise. I have plenty of energy, so I don’t feel like I need to exercise.
That sounds like a problem. Everyone needs exercise/movement. Maybe look into including higher caloric-dense foods like nuts, seeds, dry fruit, maybe even oil.
What is your definition of lost too much weight? any data? If you have plenty of energy, you might just be comparing with the societal norm of being overweight???
That guy just looked for an excuse to not make an effort to be vegan anymore.
@Jonah Whale Yes, and then, hopefully, one day they will realise they were found but now they're lost again.
Thank you for calling this idiocy out. I'm sure it had to be constant cringe producing this. You're so awesome doing exactly what needs to be done! You put Joe to shame with your content. I love your work so much!
You're the best mic. Great analysis 👍
I love Rick Rubin and his musical contributions. And for his Veganism. Until now... He'll be back!
I went whole food-plant based (strict) to lower my serum cholesterol which made it ideal and has been that way for 6 years now. I dropped from 193 lb to 140 and hover around that +- up to 5-10 lb.
As far as this guy who lost weight, yeah he was clearly a junk food vegan. If he went whole food-plant based he would very likely be down over 50 lb just like me. Still, for some people they have trouble so Dr. Mcdougall has a free web article about weight loss tips on strict whole food-plant based.
For me, I eat a handful of nuts or two daily to keep weight from dropping. I track food in cronometer to make sure I am striving for 100% RDA on all the vitamins.
Apparently, one of those pounds was brain loss. Whether a diet is vegan or non-vegan does not determine weight management, and you can destroy your health with both if you are not paying attention to the other fundamental factors that constitute a healthy diet. Is the diet adequate? Nutritionally balanced,? The right amount of calories for the person and his lifestyle? Does it provide a large variety of ingredients? And, is strict moderation exercised with regard to sweets or other indulgences? The only one who can keep track of how each of these factors is being met is the individual for himself. His big mistake was to not prepare his own food....eating at restaurants nearly guarantees failure.
It will ALWAYS be cals in, cals out, the equation will never change, just the amounts. If people ACTUALLY tracked their calories properly to see what and WHERE there calories are going to, it would be a massive eye-opener. Calorie Deficit for the WIN!
almost but interestingly, if you do whole-food plant-based nutrition then you can take in more calories but don't store them as much as if you do junk / omnivore. Calorie for calorie
@@spiral-m Just because you burn more, doesn't change the equation, it just changes the amounts. Those extra calories don't just go poof in to thin air =P
Restaurants are heavy on oil usage too.
WFPB for 6 months! Down 21 lbs and that is 11% of my body weight I feel much better 😊😊😊
Great video, so thoughtfully presented as usual. Wow, 42% of the US is obese?? I did not know that.
It boggles my mind how people like Rick Rubin who are so gifted and in many ways so intelligent can think that just because a diet is 'vegan' it'll help them lose weight. They still eat too many calories and forgot one simple rule: calories in calories out. I mean how hard is that to understand?
He said himself he sat on the couch for 22 years and at (mostly) at restaurants. Seems he's not a very smart man. OK, rant over. Thanks for addressing this 👍
Rogan: "Were you eating vegetables, or were you eating pizza?" Rubin: " Vegetables, pizza, what... like whatever they were serving in vegetarian restaurant..." What? Wait, what the f()ck does it have to do with vegan? really?
What did he eat . Potatoe chips are vegan
I remember only up until a few years ago, I was obsessed with being slim and perfect. It was never good enough even though I had a perfect regime. For so many years. Solitude, shame, isolation over not feeling good enough. I will never aim for that again. I will aim at eating a healthy planbased diet, regular exercise, good sleep (if we are talking about health and body, not even mentioning purpose, mental health, education, relationships etc right now), and I will not let anyone criticise myself or my body. The plantbased diet is a very healthy diet. If you eat enough, you don’t get skinny like a skeleton. Thinner is not better. Strong and healthy is a good aim.
Leave it to Joe PicksLowHangingFruit Rogan to dish out an unbiased perspective 🤣
20 years ago i learned that calories were debunked in my nursung and exercise science courses. Its frustrating that the public still uses calories as a dietary measurements.
Yiannis Kouros is probably the best runner of all time and set legendary running records in the 80s and 90s. When interviewed he said he followed a "strict vegetarian" diet of no meat, no fish, no eggs, no dairy.
It continues to blow me away almost daily how really intelligent and talented people such as Rick just don’t make the simple connections necessary to understand how their food choices affect their health. Just like in religion, people will just use whatever logic they can find to justify their beliefs.
That was a picture of Rick with Slayer when you said metallica.
Veganism is like Uno
You never know what you'll get
Fat, skinny, jacked, could be anything, too risky
I have a pretty unhealthy diet as far as vegan diets go (way too much sugar especially) and am pretty sedentary too, but even so I am only a little overweight (like, I should loose maybe 15kg to be ideal) and my blood tests all looked pretty dang good. Either way, even if it were easy to get obese, the issue is surely not the plants lol
But it's the all too common problem, high sugar intake.
We will see what happens to the vegans and diabetes in the future because it's a new fad which was once a sub culture of healthy hippies. These will be the long term vegans who aren't cheagans and just in it for the internet dollars but eat meat and dairy.
Thankyou for this! I’m a fan of Rick Rubin and Joe Rogan, but their misinformation about veganism is super frustrating!
Thanks!
I started becoming a fat vegan after I started eating gardein every other night and sitting on my butt as much as i could whenever i wasn't busy being a mom in order to get online work done, lol
working on losing it all now and switching to healthier plant based alternatives
I didn’t watch the vid yet but had to comment cause I want to feel important!
Haha, me
I did. For the first time in my life, I feel important!
Finally people talking about trauma being a cause of obesity - the studies support it as a possible cause! He's also working with other traumatised people with addictions so this makes complete sense. Another amazing and well-researched video. If only these "ex-vegans" did 5% of the research you do...
Gained weight when I was younger drinking beer and cocktails. When I stopped drinking felt better and looked a bit better. Beverages are easy to count out.
I know it’s off topic but, nutritional yeast, is it really good? 😅 I eat it every day 😅😅
Diet is not ever the only source of health. It is and always has been about how someone lives. Dr Ornish is an advocate for a whole being approach which obviously includes diet but not the only source of health.
Imagine having that sort of money and not getting a nutritionist in 22 years to make a well balanced diet plan for you. The only way to become obese aside from the very very few who have medical issues is by eating a SHIT ton of SHITTY food. Guy sat on the couch all day and ate junk food lol tf did he think was bouta happen?
Edit: “how can that guy run 1000 miles and I get tired walking to the end of the driveway” he literally said he SAT on the couch and just ate a bunch of food. Wtf is going on…
He is really dense or is onto some ego/money-spinner
I'm not a vegan, but over the past year I've made it a point to start eating fruit and vegetables (prior to this year I ate junk food from door dash every day) and at first I didn't notice a difference. My weight didn't change and my body overall looked the same. It was only after I said "screw it" and went back to junk food that I noticed the HUGE difference. Besides feeling horrible immediately, it got to the point where I would literally DREAM about fruits lol. Like even my subconcious mind was like, "dude, please give us some more pineapple and stop eating mcdonalds". I doubt I could go vegan, but I'm happy with the bulk of my diet being plant based.
20 years of little to no exercise at a point in life when your metabolism is slowing down... But it's veganism.
Great interview coverage Mike. He must have been eating straight fried vegan food with no exercise😅
Eats 'plant based' fast foods, gets fat. Blames veganism.
When is Joe going to get Mic on the show to set the record?
license to Ill was fire though
I actually remember seeing a doc in which he promoted the vegan diet just a few years ago, where he tied it to meditation and mindfulness.
It just shows how identity politics via highly charged topics like diet, religion, political affiliation, social justice ideas become a fad for most as I myself have changed my stance on all these topics as I have evolved; What I have learned is we are all different and thus can thrive on different "ideas" that others can't & vise versa.
Trust yourself, do your own research and experiment until you find what works and be willing to change if your no longer thriving.
Throwing an entire diet under the bus because it didn't work for you or you simply changed your mind is not conducive to people finding things out for themselves.
Why didn't he just see a vegan nutritionist?
He did produce a Metallica album but that was a pic of Slayer which he had a longer relationship with. He also produced Live Fast Die Fast by Wolfsbane.
In an interview Rick Rubin said he ate a lot of jars of almond butter. We all know almond butter is 100% carbs.
Your all time favorite band is the strokes. That explains a lot.
He said, 'one of'.