Emanuel filiberto rename charles in france should be king of france why let us look the pedigrees House of Bourbon-conde Valois-alençon Habsburg dynasty And how about early pedigree Can be trace back to andronikos palaiogos through the lines of house of palaiogos-montferrat
"how petty are you?" "So petty I punched my 3rd cousin at a wedding over a dispute on who should be king to a country that doesn't follow a monarchy anymore"
@@robertominniti4115 well, it is Italy after all. You can't help how you feel when it comes to love so I think it's valid to fall in love with a commoner
It kind of happened, Vittorio Emanuele punched Amedeo in the face during the wedding of the now king of Spain Felipe of Bourbon, back when his father Juan Carlos was still king.
7:05 Well, Italy clearly operates under the system of Mustachic Primogeniture, so under that law Vittorio Emanuele must be disqualified. Amadeo's claim under this law is admittedly weak, but Vittorio has no claim at all. Italy must remember: no mustache - no crown!
Thank you for this, very well summarised. Just a note: King Umberto II had the Seal Ring of State be buried with him when he died (he’s now buried in France, Savoy region, where his ancestors used to rule before they founded the modern Kingdom of Italy). This gesture was of great significance because it meant he disavowed his son as well as any other person claiming the Italian throne.
@@umbertogiancola I’m not sure about the “devolving to the Consulta” part. Is there any document signed by the King? Besides I’m not even sure he could retain the sigil after his death. The situation is somewhat tricky even though the Aosta branch has probably a better claim to the throne (but this is just my opinion).
@Alx It would be interesting, but unfortunately it wouldn't really work by the same rules as these videos do. The office of Emperor in the Roman Empire (and in the Eastern Empire) was not exclusively hereditary. An Emperor's descendant COULD inherit the throne, but only if he had the support of the Roman people, Senate and army. A legitimate main line descendant of the previous Emperor could easily be deposed in favour of some nobody who got the support of the army. So even if some Cantacuzino could trace their bloodline back to Emperor Ioannes VI, it would not really legitimize him in any way. As there is no Roman people, Roman army or Roman Senate to legitimize his rule.
the house of palailogos (last reigning dynasty of the byzantine empire) continued to exist in the duchy of monteferrat and I believe it married to the house of Lorraine which in turn married into the house of Habsburg so perhaps whoever is the head of the house of Habsburg-Lorraine would be first in line to the byzantine crown. I might be wrong.
It has already been settled. It would likely be a member of the Romanov family, due to Constantine XI's niece Zoe, who married into the House of Rurik, which in turn became the house of Romanov.
@@nolesquad5162 Problem with that is that this would be a matrilineal claim, which would be considered illegtimate. Furthermore, the House of Romanov isn't the only royal house with matrilineal ties to the Palaiologoi, the House of Osman also have matrilineal connections to them.
Great video man! Despite being French, my family has big ties with Italy (I live next to the Italian border) so this was quite interesting for me. Frankly, I feel like the whole of Savoy is underrated - the whole region has a fascinating history and culture which is a perfect mix, in my opinion, of two great nations so I wished more people took the time discover my home region. And as I already told you, brilliant intro. P.S: I don't know why I love Royal drama so much. It's so ridiculous.
The name "Savoy" is one that has left its mark on England in the form of the Savoy palace and later the upmarket hotel Savoy which was built on the site in London.King Henry the Third of England married Eleanor of Provence who was closely related (in law) with the Savoy rulers and when she became the English queen a host of Savoyard relatives followed her in the hope of preferment -Peter of Savoy in particular came to England (her uncle I think) and he soon went up the social scale and became duke of Richmond(de facto) and built himself a palace called theSavoypalace.This was destroyed in the Peasant's revolt but the name for the site stuck and became the Savoy Hotel.The musical duo Gilbert and Sullivan also were associated with the site so we have theSavoy operas of Gilbert and Sullivan.Peter of Savoy later returned to his homeland and became the duke.I think the strategic location of Savoy as one of the ways of getting over the Alps and into continental Europe was a reason for its importance -also in religious matters the savoy dukes acquired the celebrated "Holy Shroud of Turin"-the Sindone -which was originally housed in Chambery the initial savoyard capital until the dynasty shifted south to Turin which became their focus.The Savoys were on the winning side in the "War of the Spanish Succession" -the French lost and Savoy was rewarded with the island of Sicily later swapped for Sardinia and they were elevated to royal status -as was Prussia (Brandenburg) at the same time -that is why it is called the kingdom of Sardinia although that island was a mere backwater and it was Piedmont that was their chief source of power.Ironically the Savoy area and Nice were handed to France mid 19th Century in return for Napoleon the Third's espousing of Italian independence against the opposition of Austria.
Nice video. I'd like to point out two things though, even if the official title was that of king of Sardinia, in Italy we almost always refer to that pre-unification state as Piedmont-Sardinia or even just Kingdom of Piedmont. That's because the House of Savoy was culturally Piedmontese, their capital was Turin, their first language the Piedmontese dialect and all of their ministers before 1861 were from there too. They never cared for Sardinia which was only acquired because it came with the title of king. Also the House's proper name is Savoy-Carignano. Victor Emmanuel I fathered only daughters so the crown passed to the cadet branch of Carignano from Carlo Alberto onwards.
lei deve studiare di più , il regno del Piemonte non è mai esistito , il re stava a Torino , ma il parlamento e la corte di cassazione detta reale udienza avevano sede dal 1323 a Cagliari, capisco che possa rodere , ma il piemonte era un principato e governato con le sue leggi , ci volle la fusione perfetta 1847/48 per avere un parlamento unico, ma sempre regno di Sardegna è
@@fabriziopastorino3792 lei deve leggere meglio. Io ho scritto: "anche se il titolo ufficiale era quello di re di Sardegna, in Italia si fa spesso riferimento allo stato pre-unitario come Piemonte-Sardegna o anche solo come regno del Piemonte." Con ciò non intendevo correggere la nomenclatura esatta del video, ma sottolineare come molti italiani si riferiscano al regno di Sardegna in modo errato, in luce del fatto gli stessi Savoia si sentivano piemontesi e parlavano piemontese, che la corte fu sempre a Torino, esclusa la parentesi napoleonica che li costrinse a fuggire in Sardegna, per poi riportare la capitale a Torino appena possibile con il congresso di Vienna. "Capisco che roda..." sarebbe un'affermazione comprensibile se fossi piemontese e particolarmente orgoglioso dell'operato del Piemonte prima dell'unificazione, ma nessuna delle due affermazioni è vera
fare riferimento è fuorviante per gli stranieri che lo leggono, avallare un'inesattezza non è corretta , e continuo a non capire perchè dirla , ecco perchè spunta la mia malafede essendo io sardo @@john221b6
@@fabriziopastorino3792 È utile che sappiano che quando ci si riferisce al "governo piemontese", all'"esercito piemontese" o ai pimontesi in generale, come accade in autori che vanno da Montanelli a Mack Smith, in realtà ci si riferisce al regno di Sardegna, incappando in questo errore per i motivi che ho scritto. E converrà che purtroppo i Savoia non hanno mai avuto gran rispetto per la Sardegna, lasciandola sempre in mano a dei vicerè e non interessandosene mai molto.
4:50 More than just Amadeo accusing Vittorio Emanuele's non-dynastic marriage, there is to say that King Umberto II himself said that such act would invalidate his son's right to the throne. He wrote him a letter saying more or less: _"My dearest son, I love you. But what is the love of a single man for his own son when compared to the responsibility that man has towards his House? You know the rules of House Savoy, you know there can't be a Head of House who married a bourgeois, but you are choosing to do it anyway. As a father, I cannot not wish you the happiest love in your life, but as a King, our ancestors would look on us with severe shame, if only we dare to dishonour their name. I would like to allow you to be my heir but I can't, it wouldn't be right. I wish you the best of this world. You are now free of the responsibility of the throne. I love you."_
You left out a few other reasons. Vittorio Emanuele has also been sighted for a number of crimes including attending anti semetic rally's, murder, embezzlement and a few more. That is why I would support his cousin, not because of his marriage choices, but all his other choices. Qualities unbecoming of a King.
Update: Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta, head of the Savoy-Aosta family line, has passed away of cardiac arrest today, his son Prince Aimone is now the new 6th Duke of Aosta, and head of the Savoy family.
@@missamandaart9350 Wrong. The Duke of spoleto Aimone was forced by Mussolini and Pavelic to officially take the throne of the kigndom of Croatia as a fascist puppet state. He didn't give a damn about Croatia and he thought his nomination was a bad joke by the king. Anyway after the fall of the fascist regime in Italy, Aimone abdicated as king of Croatia on 31 July 1943 on the orders of VEIII, returning to his previous titles.
@@lucabarbanti8211 I will stay out of who should be placed as the Italian ceremonial monarch but a Savoy should be given the title and Italy should bring it back. Mussolini terrorized the Italian royal family, it wasn't a choice to bring him to power, it was forced and so was everything after that.
Fun fact: If England followed female and male lines equally (no preference), the current queen of England would most likely be Victor Emmanuel III’s granddaughter, Ludovica
@@elizavetamainfield15 It would go: Alfred I AEthelfæd AElfwynn Æthelflæd’s brother, Edward. Aethelstan Aethelstan’s sister, Eadgifu. Louis the IV. Lothair Louis V. Louis’ V uncle, Charles Charles’ sister, Matilda Geberga Geberga’s brother, Rudolph III Then, there’s a change. Rudolph died childless, so the crown could either go to his half-sister’s (through the non-british royal side) Gisela’s second oldest child, Gisela, or way, way, way back, to Conrad II, Rudolph’s 3rd cousin through Edward I. But that’s a long line, and it’s farther, so I’m going to go through Gisela. It doesn’t really matter because Conrad outlived Gisela, and Gisela outlived her siblings and kids, so it would go to him regardless Anyways, Gisela of Hungary Gisela’s 3rd cousin, Conrad II Henry III Beatrice I Beatrice’s sister, Adelaide II Henry IV Agnes of Waiblingen Frederick the II Frederick I Henry VI Frederick II Conrad IV Conradin Conradin’s aunt, Margaret of Sicily Frederick I Here, there is an issue: Frederick had 3 children, the youngest of which was crowned, and the heir, but he had an elder daughter, Elizabeth, but we know basically nothing about her that I could find. Therefore, even though she seems to have been married, i’m going to assume she died at birth. Frederick II Elisabeth Elisabeth (Again, very little info abt her eldest children, so I’m just counting the ones I could find) Margaret Isabella John II Nicholas With Nicholas, there’s another issue: he had one legitimate daughter, but she was a girl, so we know very little. Nicholas’ aunt, Yolande. René II Antoine Francis I Charles III Henry II Nicole Nicole’s sister, Claude Charles V Leopold Francis I (the HRE, husband to Maria Theresa and father to Marie Antoinette!) Maria Anna Anna’s brother Joseph II Joseph’s sister Maria Christina Maria Christina’s sister Maria Elisabeth Now, a divergence again. The crown could go to either their sister Maria Carolina or Maria Elisabeth’s niece Maria Antonia. I’m going to go with Maria Antonia. Maria Antonia Again, problems, Maria Antonia had no kids, so the crown would go to her sister’s child Carolina of Parma, except Carolina was dead. Carolina had kids and siblings, but I’m going to count as her kids receiving the crown Maria Antonia’s cousin Princess Amalie Amalie’s brother, John Albert Albert’s sister, Elisabeth Margherita, Queen of Italy Victor Emmanuel III Princess Iolanda Maria Ludovica (still alive, at 96) The next in line: Helene Gashe. So: if it had followed the female line, we would have had multiple HRE’s, duke’s of Lorraine’s, and the current monarch would also be Italy’s monarch. There are 68 monarchs on this list. I also have spain, Italy, Portugal, denmark, etc. Here is based on Willy I! William I William II William’s sister, Adela I Theobald I Henry I Henry II Sister Marie I Joan I Sister Margaret I Grandson John I William III William IV Sister Margaret II Margaret III Elizabth I Aunt Elisabeth II Eberhard I Cousin Margaret IV Margaret V Sister Mary I Catherine I Grandson James I III of Scotland James II James III Mary II (Mary of Scots!) James IV (James VI I of Scotland) Elisabeth III Charles I Louis Charles II Sister Elisabeth Charlotte IV Phillipe I Adelaide I Sister Charlotte I Grandson Louis Alexander Sister Marie Adelaide II Louis Phillipe II (king of france) Grandson Phillipe III Amelie I (queen of portugal) Great-niece STILL ALIVE Princess Margherita Next in line:most likely granddaughter Olympia.
it is kind of an open question. many have reason to believe that Queen Elizabeth isn't a member of the most senior line, or that other branches have better claims. the technically most senior line for example would be the Jacobite heir
Amedeo is the real king of italy. His family was against Mussolini. They were all arrested and imprisoned by the nazis and deported to Austria. They were sentenced to death but the message never arrived, this is how they survived the war. Unlike poor Mafalda di Savoia who died in Dachau I think. They were never sent to exile after 1946. Indeed, Amedeo was born and raised in Italy. He served in the Italian Royal Navy and army. He loves and cherishes Italy so much. If the monarchy ever comes back, the throne should be given to the Aosta family. They are respectable and honorable. In Italy we call him 'Il Re in aspettativa' 'The king in waiting'
@@johnchristiancanda3320 the PAPAL STATE? You are crazy, totally nuts, man. So why not a dictatorship? Why not allowing the return of nazi-fascism in the whole Europe? John CHRISTIAN Canada, Italy is a fantastic country for many reasons and we the italians are famous for being friendly people but you please stay in Canada, don't ever come here you "humble" religious fanatic.
I love the fact that King Umberto II got exiled in Cascais where is all the rich people of Portugal live and lived there for most of his life, must have been fancy to live right next to a king
@@leonardodavid2842 Umberto II was king. The last King of Italy as Umberto II. And he didn't GET exiled, he departed on his free will to avoid another civil war.
According to 1791 constitution after Stanisław August Poniatowski (died without legitime issue) the throne would pass to Frederick Augustus III, elector of Saxony, and if he died without son to the husband of his daughter. His only daughter never married and died without issue.
The same person that would inherit Russian throne, after all the last reigning king of Poland was Nicholas II with Nicholas I being the last one that was coronated.
@@SuperNinjaMonkey987 The descendants of Frederick Augustus III./I. were the Kings of Saxony. Since the House of Wettin was named as the future dynasty of Poland in the constitution of 1791 (thanks to the fact that Frederick Augustus I. and Frederick Augustus II. were elected Kings of Poland-Lithuania previous to Poniatowski), his descendants might be the pretenders with the "best" claim to the polish throne. After all, the Sejm gave them his approval; the Emperors of Russia might only count as ursupators.
When you mentioned how Vittoria Emanuele punched Amadeo at the wedding of Spanish King Felipe, it reminded me of the time German Kaiser Wilhelm II was four years old and was in Britain to attend the wedding of the future Edward VII and his wife. Wilhelm pulled his Dirk dagger at his eighteen year old uncle Prince Alfred, who was charged with keeping an eye on him, and threatened him. When Alfred tried to subdue Wilhelm, he bit Alfred in the leg.
Vittorio Emanuele is quite controversial man in Italy. He provoked a fight with Amedeo when they were both invited to Spain by king Juan Carlos and also he was arrested. I think Maria Isabella would fit better the role of monarch.
@@kingnawaffcv7513 She is from cadet branch of Savoy. She is direct descendant of Charles Albert (the father of Victor Emanuel II.), Charles Albert had second son Ferdinando who made the branch of Genoa, cadet branch of Savoy, his son prince Thomas had three sons but the first two did not produce an heir and the third one is a father of Maria Isabella. I think that makes her third cousin of Vittorio Emmanuele
It is not Amedeo who first claims that his cousin was no more in line of succession but King Umberto II himself. The King warned his son with several letters, that are now public, to not marry Marina Doria without his permission. After this Vittorio Emanuele tried to remove his father as head of the house, this perhaps the worser thing the he did! Even the three sisters of Vittorio Emanuele supports Amedeo!
Prince Amadeo, 5th Duke of Aosta passed away in 1 June 2021, he was succeed by his son Prince Aimone. While Prince Vittorio Emanuele’s line will be ended by his son because Italian Throne is Salic law.
@@missamandaart9350 Wrong. The Duke of spoleto Aimone was forced by Mussolini and Pavelic to officially take the throne of the kigndom of Croatia as a fascist puppet state. He didn't give a damn about Croatia and he thought his nomination was a bad joke by the king. Anyway after the fall of the fascist regime in Italy, Aimone abdicated as king of Croatia on 31 July 1943 on the orders of VEIII, returning to his previous titles.
That map at 0:51 is not 100% accurate, because the Kingdom of Italy at his proclamation didn't include Venetia proper and most of the Papal States which only became part of it in 1866 and 1870 respectively.
Nessuno no, Italy only gained a few territories in ww1. Thats why it’s called the mutilated victory. They gained those territories in the Italian unification wars.
The savoy are the kings of Jerusalem, Cyprus and Armenia MINOR (Cilicia). For part of the marrige of Anne lusignan, daughter of Janus de Cyprus. After the dead line of masculine sucesors of Janus. So, the Savoy are legitimes kings of that territories.
Throw me in the fire for blasphemy, but I'd argue it's who ever is the sultan of the ottomans. I know it sounds like complete ignorance of history but I feel its more ignoring western bias.
@@JackSmith-up7qt As in if Constantinople were never conquered. Some historians say it should be the Pretender King of France (another nightmare) as Andreas Palailogos sold his right to the throne to Charles VIII of France 1494. Though, to make things messier, he later sold it again (unrightfully?) to Fernando II el Católico of Aragon, so Felipe VI of Spain might have a claim? Or would the Habsburgs claim that instead after the succession crisis in 1700? -But if you ignore that, then I found it goes through places like Serbia (NOTE: The claim through Andreas' sister who married into the Rurikids is one which I ignore as I assume that it would follow through Salic Law), and though I never quite finished my work, I got as far as the 18th century, at which point the research is a mess- (oops), but I would like to see what others might be able to do at attacking this problem, and who knows, maybe the answer comes in the Romanovs! TL;DR: It's not that simple.
@@KingAgniKai Due to cultural differences but primarily economic ones (South Italy is much poorer and has more organized crime than North Italy) there is a succesionist group in NI that wants to create a new country called Ladeno. Strangely the proposed new border is almost exactly at the border between the Two Sicily's and the rest of the Italian peninsula. Honestly I doubt it will happen, just like Florida or California won't split into North and South or Bavaria won't leave Germany. But hey, you never know, maybe.
@@Crick1952 Ladeno? I think you mean Padania, from the Italian name of the Po Valley, pianura Padana. And the border wasn't planned to be set on the previous one, but upper north. The Northern League was created by Tuscanian regionalists too, but it was never strong there, so I doubt that Tuscany would be included in this mythological country. In this case, the border would run along the Emiliano-Romagnolo Apennine, from Pesaro to La Spezia.
Fortunately there's no chance of a monarchist restoration in Italy. The last time a monarchic party took part of an election, they had the 0.06% of votes...
@anna salomon Ma che c'entra. Non scendiamo nella solita solfa che oggi va per la maggiore, ossia: "la mia opinione vale più dei tuoi dati". É questo che gli eroi della tastiera sparano tutti i giorni sui social media. Ciò che ho detto è un fatto. Punto. Che mi piaccia oppure no il partito al governo è inifluente e non muta di una virgola i risultati elettorali dei monarchici. Ti ricordo che anche durante la monarchia (che era costituzionale) ci sono stati diversi partiti al governo con diversi orientamenti, non ultimo il PNF che tante disgrazie ha portato all'Italia.
@@ericthegreat7805 dual monarchy would properly end up worse for Italy, because you're kings from a two different royal houses who historically ruled difference kingdoms which the two become Co-King of Italy, but laters those two would definitely claimed to be the Sole King of Italy and their counterpart started to disagreed among how they should be the sole king of the countries which lead to divide of Italy and subsequently wars for the titles King of King of Italy
Another impediment, you do not mention, to Vittorio Emanuele’s claim is that he publicly renounced his claim to the throne, so as to be able to return to Italy in 2002. As a result, even his own claim, let alone his son’s, is no longer fully backed and was allegedly the reason for the physical altercation between him and Duke Amedeo, you mentioned. As to use of English names for deceased monarchs, I note you use the Italian for both Umberto I and II. The English for Umberto, would be more correctly Humbert.
Nice video! I would only like to correct one mistake you made and add one interesting fact. First, Italy wasn't fully unified in 1861, in fact the Kingdom was still missing Rome ( which was annexed in 1871) and South Tyrol (or Alto Adige, as we call it here). I understand that you did this for the sake of simplicity, but I wanted to clarify. Secondly, the name of the last Bourbon King, Francis II, was "Francesco" in Italian, but many referred to him as "Franceschiello", which is the way of saying "Little Francis" in the dialect of Naples. It is debated whether this was due to his young age, or because of his little political power. Whatever it is, he was also called "Lasagna King". Not even kidding.
Also, the new format of the video is interesting. I'm glad you decided to start showing the countries/country and their territories before using the chart.
I don't think anyone in Italy would want Vittorio Emmanuele as king since he killed that young man and got away with it. Honestly, I don't know why he even gets invited to things. Juan Carlos did say " Never again" after the fight. I read that the fight happened on or by a staircase and Queen Anne Marie of Greece caught the Duke of Aosta before he tumbled down the stairs.
Actually, Princess Olga of Greece is also a product of a morganatic marriage. She and her sister were technically not Princesses of Denmark too and were only styled ‘Her Highness.’ Although comparing Prince Aimone and Prince Emanuele Filiberto’s marriage and children, I’ll go with Prince Aimone.
Amadeo deserve the throne(I guess) of Italy because he followed and kept the rules for the royal family, Vittorio broke the rules of the royal dynesty so Amadeo can take the crown if they Republic of Italy becomes monarch
Is it nitpicking to say the House of Bourbon- Two Sicilies is a cadet branch of the House of Bourbon Spain, which in turn is a cadet branch of the French House Bourbon?
I'd say Amedeo, Duke of Aosta. The last king, Umberto II, told his son Vittorio Emanuele that he would lose his right of succession if he went on to marry the woman he ended up marrying anyway. There are letters that the two men exchanged that prove just that. Plus, since Emanuele Filiberto (Vittorio Emanuele's son) has two daughters, the law of succession should be entirely changed. Amedeo's son, on the other hand, has two sons...
Two things though. It would be looked at via a 21st century lens. Having only daughters shouldn't rule out them inheriting the title. If Britain can do it with an active monarchy, then Italy can with a active one. Secondly, marriage outside of ones class would be seen as normal, regardless of any letters.
@@MsLouisez Oh, I agree, in this day and age the succession law could be changed and marrying a commoner would no longer be considered an obstacle. My observation was a very theoretical one, based on both the tradition followed by the House of Savoy and the requirements of the Salic Law. The possibility that a monarchical system is resumed in Italy is very remote, as there are several obstacles that would prevent that to happen. One of them, and a very serious one in my view, is the many ways that Vittorio Emanuele (the legitimate heir) has discredited himself over the decades in the eyes of many Italians. His son Emanuele Filiberto has tried to make himself known to Italians by participating to TV shows, et cetera, but in doing so he has kind of spoiled the mystique usually associated with monarchy, which is a shame.
Spiritual Anarchist It's about how is the head of the House, how runs the Chivalrous Orders that are still alive, how represents the Royal House that unified the Country and has 1000 years of history. It's certainly not about the cliché of Italians how loves drama.
It gets even more complicated. Vittorio Emmanuele is a jerk. His father Umberto knew this, and he actually passed the succession to Amadeo. However, Vittorio refuses to acknowledge this will because he claims that being ousted as a monarch (when in 1946 Italy became a republic) counted as an abdicatiom thus the crown passed automatically to him. So by legitimacy and royal will, Amadeo would be the king Vittorio got arrested for being an idiot.
Many errors: 1. The unification of Italy ends in 1871 with the capture of Rome, which becomes the capital of the Kingdom of Italy. 2. Aimone is now Duke of Aosta since 2006 when his father became Duke of Savoy and head of the royal house. 3. The Bourbons could only claim the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, because the territorial conquests during the second war of independence were made to the Kingdom of Sardinia, with the sale of Lombardy first to France which ceded it to the Kingdom of Sardinia. During the third war of independence, the same thing happened with the Veneto first ceded to France and then to the Kingdom of Italy. 4. you did not say that Umberto II, at his death, had himself buried with the royal seal of the House of Savoy. This is of no small importance, the passing on of the royal seal is fundamental during the monarchical successions. 5. Charles of Bourbon has changed the Bourbon monarchical succession law which provides for the inheritance of the throne to male sons only, to favor his two daughters.
WW1 is considered by some as the actual end of Risorgimento, when Italy got the lands of South Tyrol, Venezia Giulia, and an exclave in Zara, on the Dalmatian coast.
@@compagnoTrikonov there's a document in 1983, after the marriage of Vittorio Emmanuel, stating that he is the head of Savoy, it is Umberto's handwriting, he is not saying anything about Amadeo
@@compagnoTrikonov also if he really objected about his son's marriage, he won't be cool around Marina, but instead, i saw many picture of him along with VE and Marina, and also his grandson
The Savoy-Aosta cadet branche took an active part in both wars. Emanuele Filiberto guided the 3rd italian army in WW1 and many people wanted him as new Chief of Italian Army after Caporetto defeat but it didnt happened: in case of another defeat, having a Savoy to guide the army... wasnt a wise move. His first son became viceroi of Etiopia and fought in WW2, guiding the impossible defense of Etiopia. He surrendered after the tough battle of Amba Alagi and British allowed him honors of war. He then died short after.
How about: "Who would be the King of Naples today?" There are so many potential answers. You can go with the heirs to the Bourbon-Two Sicilies line, the House of Savoy as Kings of Italy, the main bourbon line can be claim the throne, the Habsburgs, there is an old Anjou line somewhere too. The line of Anne de Montfort-Laval, there are so many interesting options!
Also nice to know, the two nicknames of the last Savoy king: pipetto (little pipe smoker) and sciacallo ( the jackal, for the trail of detruction that was his legacy).
The last king was Umberto II, who was only on the throne for a month (May 1946). Are you referring to his father? Anyway, the destruction was the work of Benito Mussolini who brought Italy in World War Two. There was not much the king could have done to stop him.
I am a descendant of the Counts Tomassoni by my paternal grandmother and Buttignol by my maternal grandmother, while I inherited my name Emanuele from my great-grandfather (my father's grandfather) but I don't know who he was. I do not think I am related to the Savoys, it would be interesting, I'm from Sardinia.
It's funny, because almost nobody wants monarchy back in Italy, France or Austria but they all act like kings and make claims to the thrones as if it was important and all. That's worthless.
In Italy there is the debate among the royalists and they chosed Amadeo and the branch of Savoia-Aosta as their favorite. The party involved is the U.M.I. "Unione Monarchica Italiana" (Italian monarchic/royalist/monarchical Union) I don't know witch term is better to translate from Italian to English
I would probably say based on Italian succession law, and also that Vittorio Emanuel renounced his claims in order to return to Italy... Amedeo, Duke of Aosta is the legal head of the House of Savoy. Just my opinion, all others are welcome ☺️
Thanks for exposing the Italian royal question. We have monarchist associations supporting both Vittorio Emanuele and the Now defunct Amedeo di Savoia-Aosta, following his son Aimone. I'm supporting the latter. 🇮🇹
i doubt that there is a monarchist move in Italy cause they are quite happy with the republic they had BUT here is another question who would be the emperor of Rome today should the move occur
HRH prince Amadeus, duke of Savoy-Aosta, sadly died recently: let him rest in peace. And I think there’s a consensus, both among Italian monarchists and among scholars, that his son, HRH prince Aimone of Savoy-Aosta, the current duke of Aosta (duke of Savoy, duke of Apulia), is the legitimate pretender to the throne of Italy. Not only is he morally much worthier (I’m very sorry to have to say that) than Victor Emmanuel: his claim is very clearly founded on the rules of succession of the house of Savoy and on the late king's will: H. M. king Humbert II clearly and repeatedly told Victor Emmanuel (in writing) that, if he married Miss Ricolfi-Doria, he would be excluded from succession. He chose to do so: he was entitled to marry her, but he knew what that would mean. Victor Emmanuel’s siblings also acknowledged Amadeus’s rights. I think there can no more be any doubt about that: Aimone is the current head of the house of Savoy, and the only legitimate pretender to the throne of Italy, our most beloved country.
You clearly don't read the paper that King Umberto pointed his own son, regardless his marriage, to be the head of Savoy family, and it signed by all his daughters and tzar Simeon
"hey let's argue about who would be king of Italy, even if it doesn't make any sense because it is now a republic and would only lead us to brawl" "ok" 2 minutes later:*punches on the face*
Considering that I had family that worked in and for the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, I found this interesting. My mother was a Marquess, and I imagine I would have a different father if the Kingdom would have continued
@@chickenpopsicle4589 no, the title was granted, because her father was of a royal lineage. Since that was granted by the Catholic Church, it’s patrilineal. If I had been a boy, I might have had the title, but only if I had retained Italian citizenship.
@@FrancescaBall if u still have evidence of the title contact the catholic church or the a senior member of the house of savoy trust me it wont hurt to try. I am a D’hauteville and i have been slowly getting grounds to re establish my house with both the catholic church and house of savoy all you need is recognition or a paper trail to claim at-least aristocracy.
Hi. Could you answer a question please? The British, Dutch, Norwegian etc... royal families have married commoners, and it hasn't negated their rights to the throne. Why do morganatic marriages in other royal houses cause problems with the line of succession?
Because different countries have different rules. And sometimes the rules were changed. For example, in 1930s, King Edward VIII of the UK could not marry a divorced, commoner, American girlfriend, Wallis Simpson. Then, he abdicated. In 2010s, Prince Harry married Meghan Markle whose background were the same as Wallis. Non-reigning royalties are more traditional and they stick to the rules. Because those rules are what made them royals. It's the legacy of their dynasties, the only one they have now. They don't have thrones to be proud of, unlike the reigning royalties.
Royals were supposed to contract marriages with only royals, so your assertion that Vittorio Emmanuele's marriage to Marina Ricolfi-Doria is morganatic merely because she was not a member of the nobility is wrong. She could've been a non-royal princess (a rank in Italian nobility), and she still wouldn't be of equal rank to Vittorio Emmanuele.
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Emanuel filiberto rename charles in france should be king of france why let us look the pedigrees
House of
Bourbon-conde
Valois-alençon
Habsburg dynasty
And how about early pedigree
Can be trace back to andronikos palaiogos through the lines of house of palaiogos-montferrat
"how petty are you?" "So petty I punched my 3rd cousin at a wedding over a dispute on who should be king to a country that doesn't follow a monarchy anymore"
You would be surprised at the number of people who would like to have a monarchy restored nowdays
@@dainaandreetto510 In Italy?
@@weltfenos1021 yup, but there are a few monarchistes, but everyone prefers vittorio emanuele
@@robertominniti4115 well, it is Italy after all. You can't help how you feel when it comes to love so I think it's valid to fall in love with a commoner
In any country that have been ruled by a monarchy there're monarchists
This can only be settled by a duel.
I fondly agree, shall the dispute be doomed by "trial by combat"!
It kind of happened, Vittorio Emanuele punched Amedeo in the face during the wedding of the now king of Spain Felipe of Bourbon, back when his father Juan Carlos was still king.
If any of these monarchies are to be restored then there has to be a duel and I shall have front row seats.
No we can have three kings
Each one can decide what to do with there new powers
Before I decide on Vittorio's claim, I would have to see his wife's stats. I'm always willing to give up the prestige hit for a trait like 'genius'.
Well Vittorio himself at the very least has the trait slow so would it really be worth it?
all the more reasons to try and get better traits for your heirs
He shoulda known better than to take that -300 while he had no land tho
CK2 is great
Crusader kings 2?
7:05 Well, Italy clearly operates under the system of Mustachic Primogeniture, so under that law Vittorio Emanuele must be disqualified. Amadeo's claim under this law is admittedly weak, but Vittorio has no claim at all.
Italy must remember: no mustache - no crown!
Great logic lol
2 FUNNI
Ahahaha
You have to search Amedeo's son, Aimone; look at his mustache. You will understand why Amedeo and his son are the true King and heir.
But the monarchists prefer Vittorio Emanuele as king
Thank you for this, very well summarised. Just a note: King Umberto II had the Seal Ring of State be buried with him when he died (he’s now buried in France, Savoy region, where his ancestors used to rule before they founded the modern Kingdom of Italy). This gesture was of great significance because it meant he disavowed his son as well as any other person claiming the Italian throne.
He disavowed his heir's rights and devolved the question to the Consulta.
@@umbertogiancola I’m not sure about the “devolving to the Consulta” part. Is there any document signed by the King? Besides I’m not even sure he could retain the sigil after his death. The situation is somewhat tricky even though the Aosta branch has probably a better claim to the throne (but this is just my opinion).
Zombie King!
Do a "Who would be Byzantine emperor today". That would be very interesting.
@Alx
It would be interesting, but unfortunately it wouldn't really work by the same rules as these videos do. The office of Emperor in the Roman Empire (and in the Eastern Empire) was not exclusively hereditary. An Emperor's descendant COULD inherit the throne, but only if he had the support of the Roman people, Senate and army. A legitimate main line descendant of the previous Emperor could easily be deposed in favour of some nobody who got the support of the army.
So even if some Cantacuzino could trace their bloodline back to Emperor Ioannes VI, it would not really legitimize him in any way. As there is no Roman people, Roman army or Roman Senate to legitimize his rule.
the house of palailogos (last reigning dynasty of the byzantine empire) continued to exist in the duchy of monteferrat and I believe it married to the house of Lorraine which in turn married into the house of Habsburg so perhaps whoever is the head of the house of Habsburg-Lorraine would be first in line to the byzantine crown. I might be wrong.
It has already been settled. It would likely be a member of the Romanov family, due to Constantine XI's niece Zoe, who married into the House of Rurik, which in turn became the house of Romanov.
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Problem with that is that this would be a matrilineal claim, which would be considered illegtimate. Furthermore, the House of Romanov isn't the only royal house with matrilineal ties to the Palaiologoi, the House of Osman also have matrilineal connections to them.
It would be the king of spain throgh aragon kingdom
Great video man! Despite being French, my family has big ties with Italy (I live next to the Italian border) so this was quite interesting for me. Frankly, I feel like the whole of Savoy is underrated - the whole region has a fascinating history and culture which is a perfect mix, in my opinion, of two great nations so I wished more people took the time discover my home region.
And as I already told you, brilliant intro.
P.S: I don't know why I love Royal drama so much. It's so ridiculous.
You're like Napoleon.
The name "Savoy" is one that has left its mark on England in the form of the Savoy palace and later the upmarket hotel Savoy which was built on the site in London.King Henry the Third of England married Eleanor of Provence who was closely related (in law) with the Savoy rulers and when she became the English queen a host of Savoyard relatives followed her in the hope of preferment -Peter of Savoy in particular came to England (her uncle I think) and he soon went up the social scale and became duke of Richmond(de facto) and built himself a palace called theSavoypalace.This was destroyed in the Peasant's revolt but the name for the site stuck and became the Savoy Hotel.The musical duo Gilbert and Sullivan also were associated with the site so we have theSavoy operas of Gilbert and Sullivan.Peter of Savoy later returned to his homeland and became the duke.I think the strategic location of Savoy as one of the ways of getting over the Alps and into continental Europe was a reason for its importance -also in religious matters the savoy dukes acquired the celebrated "Holy Shroud of Turin"-the Sindone -which was originally housed in Chambery the initial savoyard capital until the dynasty shifted south to Turin which became their focus.The Savoys were on the winning side in the "War of the Spanish Succession" -the French lost and Savoy was rewarded with the island of Sicily later swapped for Sardinia and they were elevated to royal status -as was Prussia (Brandenburg) at the same time -that is why it is called the kingdom of Sardinia although that island was a mere backwater and it was Piedmont that was their chief source of power.Ironically the Savoy area and Nice were handed to France mid 19th Century in return for Napoleon the Third's espousing of Italian independence against the opposition of Austria.
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 Haha I like the comparison. I'll make sure to not invade Russia though!
@@ThisisBarris Yeah. It's very difficult and you'll piss off a lot of people (especially Putin).
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 But if I do, I wonder whether Putin would burn Moscow to the ground or not.
Nice video. I'd like to point out two things though, even if the official title was that of king of Sardinia, in Italy we almost always refer to that pre-unification state as Piedmont-Sardinia or even just Kingdom of Piedmont. That's because the House of Savoy was culturally Piedmontese, their capital was Turin, their first language the Piedmontese dialect and all of their ministers before 1861 were from there too. They never cared for Sardinia which was only acquired because it came with the title of king. Also the House's proper name is Savoy-Carignano. Victor Emmanuel I fathered only daughters so the crown passed to the cadet branch of Carignano from Carlo Alberto onwards.
lei deve studiare di più , il regno del Piemonte non è mai esistito , il re stava a Torino , ma il parlamento e la corte di cassazione detta reale udienza avevano sede dal 1323 a Cagliari, capisco che possa rodere , ma il piemonte era un principato e governato con le sue leggi , ci volle la fusione perfetta 1847/48 per avere un parlamento unico, ma sempre regno di Sardegna è
@@fabriziopastorino3792 lei deve leggere meglio. Io ho scritto: "anche se il titolo ufficiale era quello di re di Sardegna, in Italia si fa spesso riferimento allo stato pre-unitario come Piemonte-Sardegna o anche solo come regno del Piemonte." Con ciò non intendevo correggere la nomenclatura esatta del video, ma sottolineare come molti italiani si riferiscano al regno di Sardegna in modo errato, in luce del fatto gli stessi Savoia si sentivano piemontesi e parlavano piemontese, che la corte fu sempre a Torino, esclusa la parentesi napoleonica che li costrinse a fuggire in Sardegna, per poi riportare la capitale a Torino appena possibile con il congresso di Vienna. "Capisco che roda..." sarebbe un'affermazione comprensibile se fossi piemontese e particolarmente orgoglioso dell'operato del Piemonte prima dell'unificazione, ma nessuna delle due affermazioni è vera
fare riferimento è fuorviante per gli stranieri che lo leggono, avallare un'inesattezza non è corretta , e continuo a non capire perchè dirla , ecco perchè spunta la mia malafede essendo io sardo @@john221b6
@@fabriziopastorino3792 È utile che sappiano che quando ci si riferisce al "governo piemontese", all'"esercito piemontese" o ai pimontesi in generale, come accade in autori che vanno da Montanelli a Mack Smith, in realtà ci si riferisce al regno di Sardegna, incappando in questo errore per i motivi che ho scritto. E converrà che purtroppo i Savoia non hanno mai avuto gran rispetto per la Sardegna, lasciandola sempre in mano a dei vicerè e non interessandosene mai molto.
pessimi sovrani come tutte le 5 dinastie non sarde che hanno regnato sull'isola @@john221b6
4:50 More than just Amadeo accusing Vittorio Emanuele's non-dynastic marriage, there is to say that King Umberto II himself said that such act would invalidate his son's right to the throne. He wrote him a letter saying more or less: _"My dearest son, I love you. But what is the love of a single man for his own son when compared to the responsibility that man has towards his House? You know the rules of House Savoy, you know there can't be a Head of House who married a bourgeois, but you are choosing to do it anyway. As a father, I cannot not wish you the happiest love in your life, but as a King, our ancestors would look on us with severe shame, if only we dare to dishonour their name. I would like to allow you to be my heir but I can't, it wouldn't be right. I wish you the best of this world. You are now free of the responsibility of the throne. I love you."_
Ruben thank you for this comment, unfortunately the most quoted comment is about mustache...lol
gli agglomerati di sodio
They are all bourgeois now. We welcome them to the dirty people club.
The last empress of Brazil, Teresa Cristina, was from the House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies
And the first was the daughter of the last Holy Roman Emperor, a Habsburg
@@MultiWeb23Got really confused 😂 but no Maria Leopoldina is not a Habsburg
You left out a few other reasons. Vittorio Emanuele has also been sighted for a number of crimes including attending anti semetic rally's, murder, embezzlement and a few more. That is why I would support his cousin, not because of his marriage choices, but all his other choices. Qualities unbecoming of a King.
Sounds like a great guy.
Do you mean anti-semetic rally?
@@Pfsif i hope that was unironic
Prince Vittorio Emanuele has been completely acquitted. Long live Prince Victor Emmanuel
What about his son then? If your issues aren’t the marriage would his son after his death be an issue to you? Not that these things really matter.
Update: Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta, head of the Savoy-Aosta family line, has passed away of cardiac arrest today, his son Prince Aimone is now the new 6th Duke of Aosta, and head of the Savoy family.
Yes. And the only legitimate pretender to the throne of Italy.
Still disputed as his grandfather is actually king of Croatia, out of Italian throne succession line
@@missamandaart9350 Wrong. The Duke of spoleto Aimone was forced by Mussolini and Pavelic to officially take the throne of the kigndom of Croatia as a fascist puppet state. He didn't give a damn about Croatia and he thought his nomination was a bad joke by the king. Anyway after the fall of the fascist regime in Italy, Aimone abdicated as king of Croatia on 31 July 1943 on the orders of VEIII, returning to his previous titles.
@@lucabarbanti8211 I will stay out of who should be placed as the Italian ceremonial monarch but a Savoy should be given the title and Italy should bring it back.
Mussolini terrorized the Italian royal family, it wasn't a choice to bring him to power, it was forced and so was everything after that.
But does he have a mustache?
Fun fact:
If England followed female and male lines equally (no preference), the current queen of England would most likely be Victor Emmanuel III’s granddaughter, Ludovica
No way
@@elizavetamainfield15 i have a whole ass google doc, care to read it?
@@atree9284 course I do!
@@elizavetamainfield15 It would go:
Alfred I
AEthelfæd
AElfwynn
Æthelflæd’s brother, Edward.
Aethelstan
Aethelstan’s sister, Eadgifu.
Louis the IV.
Lothair
Louis V.
Louis’ V uncle, Charles
Charles’ sister, Matilda
Geberga
Geberga’s brother, Rudolph III
Then, there’s a change.
Rudolph died childless, so the crown could either go to his half-sister’s (through the non-british royal side) Gisela’s second oldest child, Gisela, or way, way, way back, to Conrad II, Rudolph’s 3rd cousin through Edward I. But that’s a long line, and it’s farther, so I’m going to go through Gisela.
It doesn’t really matter because Conrad outlived Gisela, and Gisela outlived her siblings and kids, so it would go to him regardless
Anyways,
Gisela of Hungary
Gisela’s 3rd cousin, Conrad II
Henry III
Beatrice I
Beatrice’s sister, Adelaide II
Henry IV
Agnes of Waiblingen
Frederick the II
Frederick I
Henry VI
Frederick II
Conrad IV
Conradin
Conradin’s aunt, Margaret of Sicily
Frederick I
Here, there is an issue: Frederick had 3 children, the youngest of which was crowned, and the heir, but he had an elder daughter, Elizabeth, but we know basically nothing about her that I could find. Therefore, even though she seems to have been married, i’m going to assume she died at birth.
Frederick II
Elisabeth
Elisabeth
(Again, very little info abt her eldest children, so I’m just counting the ones I could find)
Margaret
Isabella
John II
Nicholas
With Nicholas, there’s another issue: he had one legitimate daughter, but she was a girl, so we know very little.
Nicholas’ aunt, Yolande.
René II
Antoine
Francis I
Charles III
Henry II
Nicole
Nicole’s sister, Claude
Charles V
Leopold
Francis I (the HRE, husband to Maria Theresa and father to Marie Antoinette!)
Maria Anna
Anna’s brother Joseph II
Joseph’s sister Maria Christina
Maria Christina’s sister Maria Elisabeth
Now, a divergence again. The crown could go to either their sister Maria Carolina or Maria Elisabeth’s niece Maria Antonia. I’m going to go with Maria Antonia.
Maria Antonia
Again, problems, Maria Antonia had no kids, so the crown would go to her sister’s child Carolina of Parma, except Carolina was dead. Carolina had kids and siblings, but I’m going to count as her kids receiving the crown
Maria Antonia’s cousin Princess Amalie
Amalie’s brother, John
Albert
Albert’s sister, Elisabeth
Margherita, Queen of Italy
Victor Emmanuel III
Princess Iolanda
Maria Ludovica (still alive, at 96)
The next in line: Helene Gashe.
So: if it had followed the female line, we would have had multiple HRE’s, duke’s of Lorraine’s, and the current monarch would also be Italy’s monarch.
There are 68 monarchs on this list.
I also have spain, Italy, Portugal, denmark, etc.
Here is based on Willy I!
William I
William II
William’s sister, Adela I
Theobald I
Henry I
Henry II
Sister Marie I
Joan I
Sister Margaret I
Grandson John I
William III
William IV
Sister Margaret II
Margaret III
Elizabth I
Aunt Elisabeth II
Eberhard I
Cousin Margaret IV
Margaret V
Sister Mary I
Catherine I
Grandson James I III of Scotland
James II
James III
Mary II (Mary of Scots!)
James IV (James VI I of Scotland)
Elisabeth III
Charles I Louis
Charles II
Sister Elisabeth Charlotte IV
Phillipe I
Adelaide I
Sister Charlotte I
Grandson Louis Alexander
Sister Marie Adelaide II
Louis Phillipe II (king of france)
Grandson Phillipe III
Amelie I (queen of portugal)
Great-niece STILL ALIVE Princess Margherita
Next in line:most likely granddaughter Olympia.
@@atree9284 that would be one way important and funny 'what if' retelling 🤔🤔
For April Fools day I hope you make a video about "Who would be the current monarch of the United Kingdom"
King of Us today lol
Took me too long to get this
it is kind of an open question. many have reason to believe that Queen Elizabeth isn't a member of the most senior line, or that other branches have better claims. the technically most senior line for example would be the Jacobite heir
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@@spacesoarer9799 😂
Amedeo is the real king of italy. His family was against Mussolini. They were all arrested and imprisoned by the nazis and deported to Austria. They were sentenced to death but the message never arrived, this is how they survived the war. Unlike poor Mafalda di Savoia who died in Dachau I think. They were never sent to exile after 1946. Indeed, Amedeo was born and raised in Italy. He served in the Italian Royal Navy and army. He loves and cherishes Italy so much. If the monarchy ever comes back, the throne should be given to the Aosta family. They are respectable and honorable. In Italy we call him 'Il Re in aspettativa' 'The king in waiting'
Peter Bound
Agree
A restoration of the Papal States is still the best in my humble opinion.
@@johnchristiancanda3320 the PAPAL STATE? You are crazy, totally nuts, man.
So why not a dictatorship? Why not allowing the return of nazi-fascism in the whole Europe?
John CHRISTIAN Canada, Italy is a fantastic country for many reasons and we the italians are famous for being friendly people but you please stay in Canada, don't ever come here you "humble" religious fanatic.
@igor lopesSo "wanting the papal state DOES NOT necessarily means one is a religious fanatic"...yeah yeah...as you say...
Isn't Aosta technically also the house of savoy? (I would like that because if not the royal anthem had a wrong line...)
I love the fact that King Umberto II got exiled in Cascais where is all the rich people of Portugal live and lived there for most of his life, must have been fancy to live right next to a king
Not next to a king. But next to the son of a king.
@@leonardodavid2842 Umberto II was king. The last King of Italy as Umberto II. And he didn't GET exiled, he departed on his free will to avoid another civil war.
2:30 count to duke to king. The perfect Crusader Kings II game.
if it takes you 700 years to become a king then youre doing something wrong in ck2 :DD quite impressive IRL tho.
Make a video on claimants to polish throne, would be quite intresting due to constitution of may 1791 and elective monarchy previous...
that will be a good video
Whoever Germany and Russia Allow
According to 1791 constitution after Stanisław August Poniatowski (died without legitime issue) the throne would pass to Frederick Augustus III, elector of Saxony, and if he died without son to the husband of his daughter. His only daughter never married and died without issue.
The same person that would inherit Russian throne, after all the last reigning king of Poland was Nicholas II with Nicholas I being the last one that was coronated.
@@SuperNinjaMonkey987 The descendants of Frederick Augustus III./I. were the Kings of Saxony. Since the House of Wettin was named as the future dynasty of Poland in the constitution of 1791 (thanks to the fact that Frederick Augustus I. and Frederick Augustus II. were elected Kings of Poland-Lithuania previous to Poniatowski), his descendants might be the pretenders with the "best" claim to the polish throne. After all, the Sejm gave them his approval; the Emperors of Russia might only count as ursupators.
My current guess is Chef Boyardee. I’ll watch the video to confirm though.
he's not real so he's O..U..T OUT
Ma chi cazzo è sto Boyardee
my nama chef
Drswag 007 he was a real person (he died in ‘85)
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ettore_Boiardi
Drswag 007 but I love chef
When you mentioned how Vittoria Emanuele punched Amadeo at the wedding of Spanish King Felipe, it reminded me of the time German Kaiser Wilhelm II was four years old and was in Britain to attend the wedding of the future Edward VII and his wife. Wilhelm pulled his Dirk dagger at his eighteen year old uncle Prince Alfred, who was charged with keeping an eye on him, and threatened him. When Alfred tried to subdue Wilhelm, he bit Alfred in the leg.
r/madlads
Based Kaiser
as an italian i would rather have Amedeo as king instead of Vittorio Emanuele
@@Zanzara qualche tempo fa l'hanno arrestato per associazione a delinquere
@@Zanzara e comunque non avrebbe il diritto di regnare, in quanto ha rifiutato l'eredità del padre per sposarsi
Do he at least deserve Nobility to his son?
@@NativS2002 no the son is worst, he is seen as a joke at best and an idiot at worst
@@pretoria9w317
So he needs his royal rights revoked?
I like the new intro, and the audio is much clearer. Great job, Matt!
Vittorio Emanuele is quite controversial man in Italy. He provoked a fight with Amedeo when they were both invited to Spain by king Juan Carlos and also he was arrested. I think Maria Isabella would fit better the role of monarch.
who is Maria Isabella???
@@kingnawaffcv7513 She is from cadet branch of Savoy. She is direct descendant of Charles Albert (the father of Victor Emanuel II.), Charles Albert had second son Ferdinando who made the branch of Genoa, cadet branch of Savoy, his son prince Thomas had three sons but the first two did not produce an heir and the third one is a father of Maria Isabella. I think that makes her third cousin of Vittorio Emmanuele
@@drevenypribor6144 the title of duke died with her father. Plus her children didn't marry people of royal status. So she's not a candidate
I think Amadeo I is the best candidate
@@dariusmelasecca2715 oh thank you for this information :)
It is not Amedeo who first claims that his cousin was no more in line of succession but King Umberto II himself. The King warned his son with several letters, that are now public, to not marry Marina Doria without his permission. After this Vittorio Emanuele tried to remove his father as head of the house, this perhaps the worser thing the he did! Even the three sisters of Vittorio Emanuele supports Amedeo!
Prince Amadeo, 5th Duke of Aosta passed away in 1 June 2021, he was succeed by his son Prince Aimone. While Prince Vittorio Emanuele’s line will be ended by his son because Italian Throne is Salic law.
Princess Vittoria of Carignano was allowed to be the heir to Emanuele Filiberto for some reason
Amadeo clearly has the rightful claim to the throne
Maybe but under Italy's constitution, he will not be allowed to became king.
No, he has no right, his father has become King of Croatia, out of Italian Succession line
@@missamandaart9350 Wrong. The Duke of spoleto Aimone was forced by Mussolini and Pavelic to officially take the throne of the kigndom of Croatia as a fascist puppet state. He didn't give a damn about Croatia and he thought his nomination was a bad joke by the king. Anyway after the fall of the fascist regime in Italy, Aimone abdicated as king of Croatia on 31 July 1943 on the orders of VEIII, returning to his previous titles.
The effort you put into these videos is just astronomical to say the least
That map at 0:51 is not 100% accurate, because the Kingdom of Italy at his proclamation didn't include Venetia proper and most of the Papal States which only became part of it in 1866 and 1870 respectively.
That's an aproximation, and are detail that don't matter in his video
It was part of austro-hungarian empire. As was said in the video
Some territories in the north were conquered during WWI
Nessuno no, Italy only gained a few territories in ww1. Thats why it’s called the mutilated victory. They gained those territories in the Italian unification wars.
did you know that emanuele filiberto actually owns a pasta truck in LA called “Prince of Venice”
I like your videos about European dynasties so much!
thank you from Italy for taking care of a piece of our history
In my opinion Amadeo has a stronger claim,but it depends on what monarchal system is used for the kingdom.
Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta has died today (6/1/2021) at 77. Requiescat in pace.
"Bigger army diplomacy"
-CGP Grey
guy has no idea what is proper Casus Belli
I love your videos. Thank you so much!
I recognize Amadeo as the Head of the House of Savoy and Carlo as the Head of the House of Bourbon-two Sicilies.
My only question, since Italy can have queens when Carlo passes would you support Perdo or who?
@@BubbaJ18 yes I would recognise their children once they pass away.
Agree
No. Alfonso shouldnt have renounced his rights to the Sicilian throne
Non-dynastic? Causing a scene, at a wedding of all things? Vittorio is out!
He also shot and killed a 19 y.o. boy and led a prostitution ring.
@@arx3516 innocent until proven, but until now, it can't be proven
I am blown away that you are able to play connect the dots the way you do. I thought I was a royalist. You are BEYOND.
The savoy are the kings of Jerusalem, Cyprus and Armenia MINOR (Cilicia). For part of the marrige of Anne lusignan, daughter of Janus de Cyprus. After the dead line of masculine sucesors of Janus. So, the Savoy are legitimes kings of that territories.
Suggestion: Who would be Byzantine Emperor Today?
Throw me in the fire for blasphemy, but I'd argue it's who ever is the sultan of the ottomans. I know it sounds like complete ignorance of history but I feel its more ignoring western bias.
@@JackSmith-up7qt As in if Constantinople were never conquered. Some historians say it should be the Pretender King of France (another nightmare) as Andreas Palailogos sold his right to the throne to Charles VIII of France 1494. Though, to make things messier, he later sold it again (unrightfully?) to Fernando II el Católico of Aragon, so Felipe VI of Spain might have a claim? Or would the Habsburgs claim that instead after the succession crisis in 1700? -But if you ignore that, then I found it goes through places like Serbia (NOTE: The claim through Andreas' sister who married into the Rurikids is one which I ignore as I assume that it would follow through Salic Law), and though I never quite finished my work, I got as far as the 18th century, at which point the research is a mess- (oops), but I would like to see what others might be able to do at attacking this problem, and who knows, maybe the answer comes in the Romanovs!
TL;DR: It's not that simple.
William Bate with the semi salic law it would be the actual head of the house of the habsburg
@@ducciomori46 In what way? I am intrigued....
And with primogeniture it would be the actual pretendent to the throne of Bavaria
Considering the push to split Italy into North and South this may be more relevant than you might expect.
Wait what? I've never heard of that. Could you explain that?
@@KingAgniKai Due to cultural differences but primarily economic ones (South Italy is much poorer and has more organized crime than North Italy) there is a succesionist group in NI that wants to create a new country called Ladeno. Strangely the proposed new border is almost exactly at the border between the Two Sicily's and the rest of the Italian peninsula.
Honestly I doubt it will happen, just like Florida or California won't split into North and South or Bavaria won't leave Germany. But hey, you never know, maybe.
What do you mean? Italy need a monarchy now to keep it from splitting?
@@Crick1952 Ladeno? I think you mean Padania, from the Italian name of the Po Valley, pianura Padana. And the border wasn't planned to be set on the previous one, but upper north. The Northern League was created by Tuscanian regionalists too, but it was never strong there, so I doubt that Tuscany would be included in this mythological country. In this case, the border would run along the Emiliano-Romagnolo Apennine, from Pesaro to La Spezia.
There is no such thing
Be aware that Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, passed away this morning (Feb 3 2024) at his home in Geneva.
RIP.
Fortunately there's no chance of a monarchist restoration in Italy. The last time a monarchic party took part of an election, they had the 0.06% of votes...
@anna salomon Ma che c'entra. Non scendiamo nella solita solfa che oggi va per la maggiore, ossia: "la mia opinione vale più dei tuoi dati". É questo che gli eroi della tastiera sparano tutti i giorni sui social media. Ciò che ho detto è un fatto. Punto. Che mi piaccia oppure no il partito al governo è inifluente e non muta di una virgola i risultati elettorali dei monarchici. Ti ricordo che anche durante la monarchia (che era costituzionale) ci sono stati diversi partiti al governo con diversi orientamenti, non ultimo il PNF che tante disgrazie ha portato all'Italia.
Tanto di Cappello, amico👍!
U.M.I approves!
Hi from Italy🇮🇹!
Amazing video as always!!
Sardinia/Italy: Amadeo
Sicily: Carlos
Dual monarchy?
Well, it would suit the great divide of the country better@@ericthegreat7805
@@ericthegreat7805 dual monarchy would properly end up worse for Italy, because you're kings from a two different royal houses who historically ruled difference kingdoms which the two become Co-King of Italy, but laters those two would definitely claimed to be the Sole King of Italy and their counterpart started to disagreed among how they should be the sole king of the countries which lead to divide of Italy and subsequently wars for the titles King of King of Italy
Amadeo has 2 sons and Carlo has 2 daughters. They should be around the same age, so why not settle this the good old fashioned way?
Very thoughtless
Another impediment, you do not mention, to Vittorio Emanuele’s claim is that he publicly renounced his claim to the throne, so as to be able to return to Italy in 2002. As a result, even his own claim, let alone his son’s, is no longer fully backed and was allegedly the reason for the physical altercation between him and Duke Amedeo, you mentioned.
As to use of English names for deceased monarchs, I note you use the Italian for both Umberto I and II. The English for Umberto, would be more correctly Humbert.
Nice video! I would only like to correct one mistake you made and add one interesting fact.
First, Italy wasn't fully unified in 1861, in fact the Kingdom was still missing Rome ( which was annexed in 1871) and South Tyrol (or Alto Adige, as we call it here). I understand that you did this for the sake of simplicity, but I wanted to clarify.
Secondly, the name of the last Bourbon King, Francis II, was "Francesco" in Italian, but many referred to him as "Franceschiello", which is the way of saying "Little Francis" in the dialect of Naples. It is debated whether this was due to his young age, or because of his little political power. Whatever it is, he was also called "Lasagna King". Not even kidding.
Also, the new format of the video is interesting. I'm glad you decided to start showing the countries/country and their territories before using the chart.
6:43 I am highly upset that I can't find a video recording of that event anywhere.
Too bad it didn’t happen at a Swedish royal wedding. The Swedish royals televise everything.
Because it's actually exaggerated, his son said that
I don't think anyone in Italy would want Vittorio Emmanuele as king since he killed that young man and got away with it. Honestly, I don't know why he even gets invited to things. Juan Carlos did say " Never again" after the fight.
I read that the fight happened on or by a staircase and Queen Anne Marie of Greece caught the Duke of Aosta before he tumbled down the stairs.
Actually, Princess Olga of Greece is also a product of a morganatic marriage. She and her sister were technically not Princesses of Denmark too and were only styled ‘Her Highness.’ Although comparing Prince Aimone and Prince Emanuele Filiberto’s marriage and children, I’ll go with Prince Aimone.
The claimant has to be of a dynastic marriage, not the claimant's wife
Amadeo deserve the throne(I guess) of Italy because he followed and kept the rules for the royal family, Vittorio broke the rules of the royal dynesty so Amadeo can take the crown if they Republic of Italy becomes monarch
0:35 San Marino- Am I a joke to you?
I think Amadeo has the rightful claim to the Italian throne.
Is it nitpicking to say the House of Bourbon- Two Sicilies is a cadet branch of the House of Bourbon Spain, which in turn is a cadet branch of the French House Bourbon?
And the Bourbons from the House of Capet
I'd say Amedeo, Duke of Aosta. The last king, Umberto II, told his son Vittorio Emanuele that he would lose his right of succession if he went on to marry the woman he ended up marrying anyway. There are letters that the two men exchanged that prove just that. Plus, since Emanuele Filiberto (Vittorio Emanuele's son) has two daughters, the law of succession should be entirely changed. Amedeo's son, on the other hand, has two sons...
Two things though. It would be looked at via a 21st century lens.
Having only daughters shouldn't rule out them inheriting the title. If Britain can do it with an active monarchy, then Italy can with a active one.
Secondly, marriage outside of ones class would be seen as normal, regardless of any letters.
@@MsLouisez Oh, I agree, in this day and age the succession law could be changed and marrying a commoner would no longer be considered an obstacle. My observation was a very theoretical one, based on both the tradition followed by the House of Savoy and the requirements of the Salic Law. The possibility that a monarchical system is resumed in Italy is very remote, as there are several obstacles that would prevent that to happen. One of them, and a very serious one in my view, is the many ways that Vittorio Emanuele (the legitimate heir) has discredited himself over the decades in the eyes of many Italians. His son Emanuele Filiberto has tried to make himself known to Italians by participating to TV shows, et cetera, but in doing so he has kind of spoiled the mystique usually associated with monarchy, which is a shame.
so? it'd be hard to marry a foreign royal after most monarchies in Europe were abolished
They changed the laws and now Princess Vittoria is now the Princess of Carignano 😭😭😭
All I know is that Emanuele Filiberto sells pasta at a food truck in LA.
Aimone of Spoleto was a king of Independent State of Croatia 1941 - 1945.
Yes, that's why his offsprings are out of Italian Succession line
@@missamandaart9350Aimone was Mussolini's puppet bro, and Mussolini terrorized the royal family
Super cool! Can you do a video on Doge Niccolo Tron and his descendants? 😁 Take a look at his statue in the Basilica in Venice. Cool stuff.
Italy loves it's drama. counts & princes fighting over claimis who 'would be king' in a republic …;)
Spiritual Anarchist It's about how is the head of the House, how runs the Chivalrous Orders that are still alive, how represents the Royal House that unified the Country and has 1000 years of history. It's certainly not about the cliché of Italians how loves drama.
It gets even more complicated.
Vittorio Emmanuele is a jerk. His father Umberto knew this, and he actually passed the succession to Amadeo.
However, Vittorio refuses to acknowledge this will because he claims that being ousted as a monarch (when in 1946 Italy became a republic) counted as an abdicatiom thus the crown passed automatically to him.
So by legitimacy and royal will, Amadeo would be the king
Vittorio got arrested for being an idiot.
Please, make a video about who would be emperor of Brazil today
He has done this one if you haven't seen.
Love the new intro! Keep up the great work👍
Many errors: 1. The unification of Italy ends in 1871 with the capture of Rome, which becomes the capital of the Kingdom of Italy. 2. Aimone is now Duke of Aosta since 2006 when his father became Duke of Savoy and head of the royal house. 3. The Bourbons could only claim the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, because the territorial conquests during the second war of independence were made to the Kingdom of Sardinia, with the sale of Lombardy first to France which ceded it to the Kingdom of Sardinia. During the third war of independence, the same thing happened with the Veneto first ceded to France and then to the Kingdom of Italy. 4. you did not say that Umberto II, at his death, had himself buried with the royal seal of the House of Savoy. This is of no small importance, the passing on of the royal seal is fundamental during the monarchical successions. 5. Charles of Bourbon has changed the Bourbon monarchical succession law which provides for the inheritance of the throne to male sons only, to favor his two daughters.
WW1 is considered by some as the actual end of Risorgimento, when Italy got the lands of South Tyrol, Venezia Giulia, and an exclave in Zara, on the Dalmatian coast.
The Aosta don't have any claimant anymore, there's a legal paper where King Umberto appointed his own son to be the head of the house
@@missamandaart9350 Which document? Umberto II never approved the marriage of his son, however today he is Aimone Duke of Savoy.
@@compagnoTrikonov there's a document in 1983, after the marriage of Vittorio Emmanuel, stating that he is the head of Savoy, it is Umberto's handwriting, he is not saying anything about Amadeo
@@compagnoTrikonov also if he really objected about his son's marriage, he won't be cool around Marina, but instead, i saw many picture of him along with VE and Marina, and also his grandson
The Savoy-Aosta cadet branche took an active part in both wars.
Emanuele Filiberto guided the 3rd italian army in WW1 and many people wanted him as new Chief of Italian Army after Caporetto defeat but it didnt happened: in case of another defeat, having a Savoy to guide the army... wasnt a wise move.
His first son became viceroi of Etiopia and fought in WW2, guiding the impossible defense of Etiopia. He surrendered after the tough battle of Amba Alagi and British allowed him honors of war. He then died short after.
Do a USEFUL CHART about human haplogroups, beginning with Paternal A and Maternal L, please and thank you!
How about: "Who would be the King of Naples today?" There are so many potential answers. You can go with the heirs to the Bourbon-Two Sicilies line, the House of Savoy as Kings of Italy, the main bourbon line can be claim the throne, the Habsburgs, there is an old Anjou line somewhere too. The line of Anne de Montfort-Laval, there are so many interesting options!
The king would be one of Diego Maradona's sons.
Also nice to know, the two nicknames of the last Savoy king: pipetto (little pipe smoker) and sciacallo ( the jackal, for the trail of detruction that was his legacy).
The last king was Umberto II, who was only on the throne for a month (May 1946). Are you referring to his father? Anyway, the destruction was the work of Benito Mussolini who brought Italy in World War Two. There was not much the king could have done to stop him.
Il nano (Victor emmanuel II) e quello di Marzo (Umberto II)
@@Apes_Together_Stronk in realtà fu soprannominato "il re soldato"
I noticed the new and improved audio as you first started speaking. Very nice.
I like the intro that you add it fits
I love your videos. Keep 'em coming.
I found out my aunt and cousins are related to victor Emmanuel iii my cousin thinks it's a bad idea to live in a palace but I would love that idea.
Love your work, thanks for sharing
I am a descendant of the Counts Tomassoni by my paternal grandmother and Buttignol by my maternal grandmother, while I inherited my name Emanuele from my great-grandfather (my father's grandfather) but I don't know who he was. I do not think I am related to the Savoys, it would be interesting, I'm from Sardinia.
amazing video, great info
It's funny, because almost nobody wants monarchy back in Italy, France or Austria but they all act like kings and make claims to the thrones as if it was important and all. That's worthless.
Pretty much they're going to secure their assets
Austria? There is only ONE claimant to Austria
In Italy there is the debate among the royalists and they chosed Amadeo and the branch of Savoia-Aosta as their favorite. The party involved is the U.M.I. "Unione Monarchica Italiana" (Italian monarchic/royalist/monarchical Union) I don't know witch term is better to translate from Italian to English
I would probably say based on Italian succession law, and also that Vittorio Emanuel renounced his claims in order to return to Italy... Amedeo, Duke of Aosta is the legal head of the House of Savoy. Just my opinion, all others are welcome ☺️
Amadeo's father is pointed as king of Croatia under Vittorio Immanuel II, he has no right for "Italian" throne
Thanks for exposing the Italian royal question. We have monarchist associations supporting both Vittorio Emanuele and the Now defunct Amedeo di Savoia-Aosta, following his son Aimone. I'm supporting the latter. 🇮🇹
Amedeo and Aimone for me. The other branch is TACKY.
Loved the intro!!
And the punch fact!
that Emanuele Filiberto who have pasta truck?
1 sec vid I was looking for this comment lol prince of Venice food truck!
Amedeo Savoia Aosta
0:58 "...Italy actually consisted of 3 Kingdoms"
Garibaldi: "YOU ARE A TRUE WARRIOR OF THE THREE KINGDOMS"
Him: ill put that in the description
Me: stop lying
Awesome work man. Here I am trying to just start my youtube channel
i doubt that there is a monarchist move in Italy cause they are quite happy with the republic they had BUT here is another question who would be the emperor of Rome today should the move occur
@@espeditolito oh but think about this for a moment in the event of new roman empire who would be that emperor?
@@drswag0076 I don't know man
I'm Italian and i'm Pro monarchy.
We are many
VIVA L'ITALIA
VIVA IL RE
@@regel1077 Ma perché non vi date al Neofascismo o alla Restoratio Imperii invece di sognare di servire dinastie di esseri deformi e incestuosi?
@@0205-z9y mamma mia che rompicoglioni
Great new intro and video all around!
HRH prince Amadeus, duke of Savoy-Aosta, sadly died recently: let him rest in peace. And I think there’s a consensus, both among Italian monarchists and among scholars, that his son, HRH prince Aimone of Savoy-Aosta, the current duke of Aosta (duke of Savoy, duke of Apulia), is the legitimate pretender to the throne of Italy. Not only is he morally much worthier (I’m very sorry to have to say that) than Victor Emmanuel: his claim is very clearly founded on the rules of succession of the house of Savoy and on the late king's will: H. M. king Humbert II clearly and repeatedly told Victor Emmanuel (in writing) that, if he married Miss Ricolfi-Doria, he would be excluded from succession. He chose to do so: he was entitled to marry her, but he knew what that would mean. Victor Emmanuel’s siblings also acknowledged Amadeus’s rights. I think there can no more be any doubt about that: Aimone is the current head of the house of Savoy, and the only legitimate pretender to the throne of Italy, our most beloved country.
You clearly don't read the paper that King Umberto pointed his own son, regardless his marriage, to be the head of Savoy family, and it signed by all his daughters and tzar Simeon
@@missamandaart9350 Which one?
I love this channel keep up the good work
"hey let's argue about who would be king of Italy, even if it doesn't make any sense because it is now a republic and would only lead us to brawl"
"ok"
2 minutes later:*punches on the face*
Thank you. It would be interesting to have a timeline of eastern and western philosophers.
Considering that I had family that worked in and for the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, I found this interesting. My mother was a Marquess, and I imagine I would have a different father if the Kingdom would have continued
If ur mother was a marquess then she is still a marquess or it has passed on to her heir
@@chickenpopsicle4589 no, the title was granted, because her father was of a royal lineage. Since that was granted by the Catholic Church, it’s patrilineal. If I had been a boy, I might have had the title, but only if I had retained Italian citizenship.
@@FrancescaBall if u still have evidence of the title contact the catholic church or the a senior member of the house of savoy trust me it wont hurt to try. I am a D’hauteville and i have been slowly getting grounds to re establish my house with both the catholic church and house of savoy all you need is recognition or a paper trail to claim at-least aristocracy.
Love these videos. Would love to see who would be king of portugal today
Vittorio emanuela has abolish salic law replaced succession absolute primogeniture
Hi. Could you answer a question please? The British, Dutch, Norwegian etc... royal families have married commoners, and it hasn't negated their rights to the throne. Why do morganatic marriages in other royal houses cause problems with the line of succession?
Because different countries have different rules. And sometimes the rules were changed.
For example, in 1930s, King Edward VIII of the UK could not marry a divorced, commoner, American girlfriend, Wallis Simpson. Then, he abdicated.
In 2010s, Prince Harry married Meghan Markle whose background were the same as Wallis.
Non-reigning royalties are more traditional and they stick to the rules. Because those rules are what made them royals. It's the legacy of their dynasties, the only one they have now. They don't have thrones to be proud of, unlike the reigning royalties.
because nowadays morganatic marriage isn't a thing
@@visenyatargaryen9130 Wallis wasn't rejected since she was a commoner, but since she was twice divorced
The monarchy of italy is very traditionalist.
Nice work man, you gained my RESPECT
How about making a video of the polish Kings (the Piasts, House of Anjou and House of Jagiellon)?
Royals were supposed to contract marriages with only royals, so your assertion that Vittorio Emmanuele's marriage to Marina Ricolfi-Doria is morganatic merely because she was not a member of the nobility is wrong. She could've been a non-royal princess (a rank in Italian nobility), and she still wouldn't be of equal rank to Vittorio Emmanuele.