Who Would Be King of Canada? (if it had started out with an independent monarchy)
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2020
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Sorry Romanians. I shouldn't have said that Romania "chose" to become a republic in 1947 because, yeah, it was more of a communist takeover.
it's okay. great content anyways ❤️❤️
YUP. The king was popular hence his illegal removal by the communists and Stalin.
Makes you wonder if that would have lead to conflict between NATO and the USSR due to a NATO member (Canada) being in a personal union with Romania in this timeline.
ntm4 It may have saved the Romanian Crown. Because with the backing of the British Empire, not to mention the marriages, it’s likely the British Government would’ve done much more to preserve Romanian territorial integrity and keep the country on side
@tvrhd2020 What happened with Romania during WWII? Didn't Ribbentrop "absorb" parts of Romania into the Greater Reich?
Queen Elizabeth to Canada: I am inevitable.
But would this be considered Queen Elizabeth the 3rd? Seeing the current is Queen Elizabeth is the 2nd?
and I.... am..... Iron..... Man.
King Michael: and I ... am...the longest reigning monarch
SomeBodyKares1 No because she would be Queen Elizabeth I of Canada.
@@samtreacy7752 Hmm alright would be confusing since we still recognize Queen Elizabeth I of England.
I'm imagining an alternate history where Canada adopts the Romanian language and we have PM Iustin Trudescu in office
Hopefully nobody will have Traian Băsescu.
Iustin Trudescu sounds a whole lot better than the idiot we have at the moment
Ser Gerold Of House Hightower Yes, he’s probably more qualified for the job
Three languages? Lol
and queen margaret! there would be quite a bit of competition in the margaret houses!
Watching an alternate timeline where Canada and Romania are on a dynastic union under the rule of the House of Hohenzollern was highly unexpected.
Technically Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, a cadet branch of Willy’s family
@@Edmonton-of2ec the Prussian Hohenzollerns were actually a cadet branche and after the senior line of Hohenzollern (Hohenzollern-Hechingen) died out Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen succeeded them as the most senior dynastic head of the Hohenzollern dynasty.
Happy Canada Day from Romania. Our Union would have been epic. Maple syrup on Romanian pancakes would have been the national dish
Mmmmm so good
That does sound nice.
Also, happy probably normal day from Canada
Lol
I am going to find Romanian pancakes and try that now
romaniaXcanada brethren 🇨🇦 🇷🇴
The Union of Canada-Romania would have been pretty epic
All hail the Canadian-Romanian Commonwealth!
Wouldn't that mean Romania would be a part of the Triple Entente instead of the Central Powers.
@@Batallo_ Romania was part of the triple entente....
@@Batallo_ Romania was part of the axis though, but this would have been a hard situation since Romania joined the axis because it was threatened by them, they might have chosen to fight against the Germans, but a coup might also have occurred removing the king and establishing a pro-German government
Banging hot union
"Canada would end up with a Queen Elizabeth anyway"
And the British Elizabeth would still be alive by the time that happened.
Would that then be QEII?
Lol
@@BillGreenAZ I don't think so, they would probbaly call her Queen Elizabeth of Canada instead.
Bruh moment
@@mohdghazali3473 Quuen Elizabth the 1st of Canada and queen Elizabeth the 2nd of the united kingdom of great britian and northern ireland. Plus however many other titles she has (there are still many :/ )
"In 1947, Romania chose to become a republic"
*Soviet state-run newspapers approve*
Yeah, surely the people wanted to abolish xD
@@bluscoutsfm2474 Actually no, the country was ocupied from 1944 untill 1958 by the red army. He was forced to abdicate without any referendum or other legal ways. After the communism failed 1990 the king was banned from entering Romania being chased by the army and put into a plane back to Switzerland. He returned for a short amount of time on Easter in 1992 and about 100.000 demanded the monarchy restoration but the situation was complicated and still is. He died in 2017 and the opinions about him ar e pretty much "He betrayed his country" and "He saved his country"
@@ericrtx2554 I was being sarcastic. I knew that the communist are the reason he had to abdicate. Same thing probably happened in Bulgaria as well who was a monarchy at the time.
Obviously his highness Tim of Hortons.
There actually was a guy named Tim Horton. He was a really good hockey player who founded the now famous donut shop chain after his retirement.
@@burnv06 Yes I know. I was just doing a silly joke :)
@@burnv06 no wai!!
What a coincidence!!
I...... 😤 I don’t appreciate this
I think it’s still likely that Marie would’ve married King Ferdinand I. She married him in 1893 and Prince Alfred didn’t die until 1899, meaning it is quite possible that Marie would’ve still married him
CanadianPrince Marie wouldn’t have married Ferdinand, as unions of two heirs would have been impossible to work in the late 19th century. Marie’s grandmother, Queen Victoria, would have been against the marriage.
Paulo Rubio
But when Marie and Ferdinand married, Marie _wasn’t_ heiress presumptive, since the heir apparent was still alive.
Nillie the thing is, Queen Marie’s parents, the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh (and Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), had been pushing their son Prince Alfred (Young Affie) to marry as he had turned into a headache for his parents. Young Affie had led a very unconventional life, so the thought of him of still being considered heir, at least by the government, would not have been considered. Had the prince actually married Mabel Fitzgerald he would have to give up his succession rights to the throne.
@@AviationAddict69 It was unlikely but it could happened. I mean both Marie and Ferdinand could rule Canada and Romania in the same way Isabella of Castille and Ferdinand of Aragon rule each of their respective kingdom. In case their marriage didn't happened, the it would be either Marie got married to a different man and we would get a whole different lineage forever unbeknownst to us but in case she didn't married to anyone and remained single or remained childless than the throne would be pass down to Arthur but since his line end up dying, it would end up to Leopold whose descendent became a Nazi but since at this point he was being raised in Canada , there's a good chance that he wouldn't end up as a Nazi. But we still have have religion issue, in our timeline Ferdinand is Roman Catholic but his descendent was Romanian Orthodox. Do Canada have any kind of law about this ? I guess it will depend on the year right ?
When you said that Michael would've reigned as King of Canada for 79 years, my eyes popped out. He would've beaten Louis XIV as the longest reigning monarch in world history, ruling far longer then his third cousin Elizabeth II of England at the time.
Also, Michael I would've held the dubious distinction for being King of two countries, which fought against each other on opposite sides during WW2
Yah, I think history would’ve gone a bit differently if this happened
@@novaace2474
I know right?!
The nazis would had probably put a puppet government that denied the Canada relationship, and the the communist would put a puppet who also denied it
The question is, after almost a century of not ruling or really affecting romanian politics, would the romanian people accept him as king now a days? Would he even keep using it? Perhaps he would have been forced to renounce to it because of the cold war, perhaps he would have been one of the strongest public figures for a free romania
There’s so many questions that, although would not affect the XXth century that much, they would affect the XXIth century
@@Leo-ok3uj he probably would have solely ruled in Canada and given up on his Romanian tital.
@@novaace2474
Yeah is the most plausible, but what if Micheal didn’t?
As a romanian I can say that this is one of the creaziest thing I've heard in a while.
100% iti zic
Si eu cred la fel:))
5:50 "who, by the way, ended up becoming a--"
me: "a hemophiliac too?"
"--a Nazi."
me: 😬😬😬😬
Charles Edward is also the maternal grandfather of the current King of Sweden, Carl Gustaf XVI.
Lol that’s what I thought he was going to say too.
Yeah, but when you read his history, I can sort of understand why he did that . For fighting at the German side in WWI (because his duchy was German), he was stripped of all his titles and became quite poor.
But I'm not excusing him, being a Nazi is still a shitty thing
@@RosovaEva he was a nazi bcz he thought if the germans win the war, then he could restore his duchy
The People's Sultanate of Al Muqaddimah recognizes Lord Matthew of House Baker as the king of Canada due to ancestors' taifa in Al Andalus.
Thank you.
Love it. 👍👍👍
People's sultanate? Oop.
Stonks
what are u saying there?
You can not flee from Elizabeth, she follows you where ever you go. She follows you across timelines. She is eternel.
She’s dead now
💀 that aged like milk.
Nah, having bastards is a part of British tradition, so Nicholas wouldn’t have been ousted as suggested.
You know, it's funny watching this since, when I was 11 me and my parents were supposed to emigrate to Canada but now you're telling me there was a chance of Canada coming to us.😅
Same bro.
Sounds fun.
I didn’t know that I’d be learning a chunk of Romanian history in this video. The supposed flag of the maple leaf on Romanian flag got me lmaoing so hard. Happy Canada Day!
Fun fact: Greece did a referandom about who should be king of Greece and prince Alfred won, but France and Russia didn't want Greece to have a British monarch and Queen Victoria wanted Alfred to became the Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha so he didn't accept the offer. Imagine how different Greece might have been if Prince Alfred became King. The line propebly wouldn't be the same because Greek monarchs tend to marry either Royals from big countries (King George I married grand duchess Olga of Russia and King Constantin I married Princess Sofia of Prussia) or from the same house as them (King Constantin II married a Danish princess of the house of Glücksburg).
Sorry for my bad English.
propebly was your only error
Perfect English (typographical error "refarandom" notwithstanding).
Referendum*
Otherwise, its a fine english
No one wants to talk about
queen Victoria’s grandson being a Nazi.
her other two grandsons literally fought each other in a world war so to be fair it could've been worse
I mean she had 8 children and even more of grandchildren all in prestigious positions in the most powerful nations of Europe at the time so is it really surprising
For crying out loud, her great-grandson Albert (H.I.M. Eddie VIII) palled around with Hitler. Charles-Edward's antics surprised nobody.
He WAS an Obergruppenführer - one of the most senior combat ranks in Nazi Germany.
@@pocarski George Windsor V of United Kingdom and Nikolaii Romanov II of Russia versus Wilhelm Hohenzollern II of Germany: The Great Cousin's War
Wouldn’t Ferdinand have also been the Prince Consort of Canada, considering the Canadian monarchy would likely use a title system similar if not identical to Britain?
He would just be King of Romania given his more senior title
Yes, he’d be both PC of C and K of R. Like Philip II of Spain, Consort of Mary I of England.
Or maybe king consort
Just like philip II?
@@conserztasfia0078 That’d be a decision of Marie. But no co-monarchy has existed in England since the reign(s) of William III and Mary II, and never in Canada, so probably not
Me watching this video as a Canadian: God I hope it's me
Teresa was inline...
The line would need to be from the early middle age on the French side for me to even think this is possible (maybe note even then). Even a monarchy of the Nouvelle-France would not place me on the throne... but maybe in the aristocracy ( if a 4th son could have inherited a title coming from france)?
@Uncumbersome If I remember well, my ancestor that came from France in 1684 was from a small barony in Northern France. Thibault of St Gervais. Like not a first son, but with a purchase commission in the French army
New France was the first colony of Canada before the British took over in 1760. What if the nation of Canada chose a monarch from the former French royal family instead? Where Québec becomes a monarchy apart from the British parts of Canada. And Québec also takes the French only parts of the province of New Brunswick with them when they become a separate country from the rest of Canada.
Since I know several times that Québec has been threatening to leave Canada and gain independence from Canada on several occasions. Where the Canadian government bribes them with more money to stay with the nation of Canada. This place is the former homes of my ancestors. My family is originally from Québec and the French only parts of New Brunswick where I still have relatives living to this very day. My grandfather was born and raised in Sainte-Anne-de-Madawaska, Madawaska, New Brunswick, Canada and my dad was born in Grand Falls, Victoria, New Brunswick, Canada. My dad was raised in the United States of America between the two states of Maine and Rhode Island where his father still lives today. My dad decided to enlist into the United States Marine Corps in 1979 and served 23 years by retiring in 2002. His rank at retirement was Captain. So with his career in the United States Marine Corps my upbringing was moving from place to place for my entire childhood years. I was born when my father was stationed overseas in Japan and lived in four US states in my childhood growing up. The US states I have lived in are Virginia, North Carolina, Arizona, and California. After California we returned to Virginia and this is the state I currently live in today in the same area as my dad's last duty station. Which is the Quantico Marine Corps Base that is about 55 minutes south of the nation's capital city of Washington, DC. This is the Marine Corps Base that keeps the Marine 1 helicopters that transports the most powerful person on the planet the President of the United States of America. Andrew's Air Force Base that houses Air Force 1 planes is north of DC in Maryland. This is the Air Force Base that my brother was born at. All of us kids of my parents were all born on Air Force bases around the world even though my dad was a Marine. Where he was stationed at a Marine base. The clinics on these Marine Corps bases didn't have the ability to give birth to babies back in the 80s so I think this could be the reason why me and my siblings were born on Air Force bases instead. This is how I was born and raised during my childhood. Compared to my parents who stayed in their hometowns until they grew up into adulthood where my parents attended the same high school and grew up knowing each other as children. My mom was good friends with my dad's younger sister growing up. Which my mom is still good friends with my dad's sister today as well. But the funny thing is as I have been doing my family tree research I have traced my parents to be 9th cousins on several occasions. My mom's side is directly only from Québec alone. But my father's side is from Québec to but they moved back into the New Brunswick area since this is the only side of my family tree I have Acadian roots from the Acadian refugees who came to Québec during the years of 1750 and 1760 during the French And Indian War.
Prince Alfred: Hey Dad I'm married to a Irish
King Alfred: No Irish only Scots
in this timeline, would the orthodox population in canada increase?
or would michael convert to protestantism/catholicism?
sounds like a fun alternative history
Most probably he would have converted to Cathlolicism, scince both Carol the First and Ferdinand the First were catholic.
@@flaviananton9070
Article 82 made the throne a hereditary office of Carol's descendants "on the male line through the right of first-born, perpetually excluding women and their descendants." It also required that Carol's descendants be "raised in the Eastern Orthodox Religion."
In 1889, the Romanian parliament recognized Ferdinand as a prince of Romania. The Romanian government did not require his conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy from Catholicism, as was the common practice prior to this date, thus allowing him to continue with his born creed, but it was required that his children be raised Orthodox, the state religion of Romania. For agreeing to this, Ferdinand was excommunicated from the Catholic Church, although this was later lifted
If Michael wasn't orthodox by Constitutional law Romania should a)chose another monarch or b) change the constitution of a mostly farming/agrarian society with more than 15 in which more than possible the capital would have been located qnd which already declared a republic when they heard about a german catholic monarch replacing Cuza.
You should've made the video "Who would be king of Romania today?" three years ago. Hilarious xD
why?
@@siemik Because it would just have been: "This is Michael of Romania. He was king until 1947 and is still alive today. The end."
Same thing with Bulgaria btw.
@@volodymyrgandzhuk361 2020 - 3 = 2017 does the joke name sense now?
@@cellceair8772 sorry, I hadn't noticed that "three years ago" and when I did, I went to delete my comment but for some reason I couldn't get to delete it
You can do that with Greece and Bulgaria, since both the former King of Greece and the former Tsar of Bulgaria are still alive.
I'm Romanian and this video was such a weird but interesting surprise! Really cool seeing that Romania and Canada, 2 countries which nowadays don't have much in common, would have been united in a personal union!
Happy Canada Day from Ireland! 🇮🇪🇨🇦
I wish I was Irish.
@@burnv06 bruh me too
I'm of Irish descent. My family is murphy's
@@burnv06 You probably are
@@Chikinbokbok You probably are as well
If Quebec would get its independence and would decide to become a monarchy... that's a nice scenario for one of your next video ;)
As a Canadian with major love for Romania, this is a pretty cool scenario
Happy Canada Day from The United States of America! 🇺🇸❤️🇨🇦
Mauricio González it’s almost July 4th
Imagine if modern-day Canadians in the Romanian alternate timeline spoke a combination of French-Romanian with a dash of English 👁👄👁
More like a English-Romanian Language with like a Cup of French added in
Hey! I really appreciate your videos and quality of work. If I may suggest, you should do something related to Georgia (the Nation, obviously), since it is one of the few countries where monarchy restoration has an high probability of happening. The dispute for the throne between two branches of the Bagrationi dynasty and their kind of reunion in a single branch 10 years ago would do a great video, in my opinion. You could also work on a “Caucasus Chart”, with the Dynasties of Georgia, as well Armenia and the various minor Kingdoms, Principalities, Khanates and Shamkhalates of the yet obscure area. Saudações from (Western) Iberia :)
I love 'what ifs'…
So, my thought is - if the Canadian’s would have been so keen on a monarchy in principle (from the already ruling house), they would have waited until Queen Victoria had passed away before establishing their own independent crown…
(following this thought) I think it would have been unlikely to look for the first king in the third generation when some of the second generation was still alive.
..
This makes Arthur and his descendants the most likely ‘Kings/Queens of Canada’ rather than Alfred’s
(already passed away before 1901)
..still working with ‘male preference’ would make Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden the current heir apparent of the Canadian Throne. (her father being the current king but I like the Victoria to Victoria angle)
*lol*
so in the end, canada ends up again in another personal union hahaha
@Winnie Lee Pooh you never know.... Prince Charles Philip Arthur George may pick Arthur... ...he is not bound to go by Charles III. ..or there is William Arthur Philip Louis...
...there is a pattern!
After watching a handful of these in a row, it's amazing how quickly royal lines die out. Then someone comes along and is successful for a generation or two before the decline starts again.
At least in the past. Now people don’t usually die young and are more free to marry who they wish so don’t get as often removed from succession.
Happy Canada Day Matt!
Awesome vid I wonder how many other vids you could make following similar principles
Thanks for uploading I was thinking about this few days ago
Well that rounded itself out nicely. Great job!
I didn't know today was Canada Day but... Happy Canada Day from Spain! :)
Hello Spanish person I appreciate your message
Who would be king of Colombia if Simón Bolívar declared himself king of Gran Colombia?
Ese seria un escenario muy interesante... pero conociendo nuestros países. Desde ese momento a hoy en día, hubiese habido golpes de estado, guerras civiles, invasiones. etc... Así que creo que independiente de haberse declarado una monarquía en Colombia o en su defecto la Gran Colombia por Bolivar u otro prócer, igualmente se crearía una república presidencialista (mas temprano que tarde).
@@RodrigoColimodio to simplify what you said but in English, there would be civil wars and coups so it could be any type of govrnment now
Simón Bolívar itself doesn't have any children. It would go instead to Simon's sister Juana and her descendants.
he does not have any known children nor is his family socially well known so I figure it difficult to trace anybody to him
Thanks! that was fun and interesting. Love your work and belated happy Canada Day!
Happy Canada Day from Missouri!!! Thank you for making these videos.
Everyone: Happy Canada Day!
Me: Happy Canada Day!
wait it’s july already
That is when Canada day is though?
@@LlamasAtMidnight I think they meant it as "wait, it's July already?!" as in, they knew July 1st is Canada day but they were taken off guard because July snuck up on them
Happy Canada Day from the UK!
These videos makes me happy, and there really good. Keep doing what you do because this is what i call entertainment. Love youre channel and what you do.
Loved this one. It’s wild to think about “what could/would have been. Sharing history is a passion for ours too!
The Romania-Canada Union wasnt something that has ever crossed my mind, nor is it something I ever expected to see, but I fully support it. The duo would be unstoppable.
As a fellow Canadian the idea of our own royal family and not borrowed one would have been interesting.
i dont really know how that would happen. would they elect a king?
EMILY GRAY queen Elizabeth is in control of the United Kingdom’s army, so I wouldn’t call it symbolic, especially as she has various other powers, but I wonder, would the Canadian monarchy have those same powers, but in Canada?
It's only a matter of time before Queen Elizabeth passes away Long Live King Harry of Canada.
@@corradogiorgio Charles is next in line.
@@matthewbarabas3052 Maybe in the UK but Canada is an independent country and can make its own choice in what happens after the queen dies.
That’s really interesting, very well done
Very interesting. Always learn so much about other royal families with your vlogs.
This was quite interesting and well done! The only thing that made me go hmm was the disqualification for Nicholas. I don’t think we’d disqualify a monarch for a child out of wedlock in our times, but I have a hunch you leaned in for the Elizabeth-Elizabeth connection. Happy Canada Day from Ontario!
It was more beacuse he refused recognise the child
Loved the ending!
Will there be a second version of this based on Canada starting out with a "founding father" or a prominent politician instead?
Or, more properly, a (all) First Nations chief(s)?
Happy Canada Day! Also lovely presentation, Mr. Charts.
Happy Canada Day, Matt and other Candians!!!
How about doing the families tree chart of Dark, the Netflix series? It would be very interesting (and confusing 😅)
Oh yeah! Great idea!
You just have to complete your diagrams at the end of each episode or you will get lost fast.
good show. that would confusing as hell lmao
I disagree with your guess as to who would have been the first king of Canada. Charles James Irwin Grant, 6th Baron de Longueuil was the highest ranking Canadian peer during the time Canada became autonomous. Despite a precedent for kingdoms choosing a monarch from a related country, I believe that Canada's independent spirit would have made an actual Canadian peer a more desirable candidate. Charles Grant, a French peer of a peerage recognized as a peerage by the monarch's of Britain since George III would have been the most likely candidate and his descendant, Sir Michael Charles Grant, 12th Baron de Longueuil would be King of Canada today. That is of course assuming every baron in the line married the same woman and had the same children. As it happens he is also second cousin to the queen. Also, Prince Alfred was a navy man. He loved the navy and in fact as a child sought out career in the navy so his mother let him join at 12. I believe he would have turned down the Canadian throne had it been offered to him and more than likely he would have preferred to spend all his time at sea rather than in the bitter cold Canadian north (as most Brits perceived Canada at the time despite the UK being further north than most of the population of Canada).
I also think that due to it's relatively diminutive size and the fact that it had no prior king save the sovereigns of Great Britain/UK it is more likely that it would have become a principality.
I should have known you were Canadian you are surprisingly rational and well informed. Happy belated Canada Day 🇨🇦
That was fun! Thanks for doing it.
7:50 Actually, Carol’s marriage to Zizi Lambrino was technically legitimate and their child, Carol Lambrino, could be given either the Canadian or Romanian Crown out of convenience, but I think it’s more likely that Carol II’s younger brother Prince Nicholas would receive the Romanian Crown, while Micheal would get the Canadian one.
Legitimate. Son i am a romanian and we know that paul guy as nothing more than a guy who says hes jesus. If the king declared is ilegitimate it is. And carol only did it while he deserted. Not cool
Yeah, there definitely wouldn't have been a personal union, they would of given Canada to somebody else.
Happy Canada Day from your friendly neighbors to the south. =)
That would have been a interesting scenario really enjoy your videos.
Very interesting 😃👍🏽 Thank you 😊
Sticking with the topic of possible monarchies in North America, I'd like you to do a video on Who Would Be Emperor(s) of Mexico Today, please.
But this video exist! Search!
9:09 "Chose" is a very inaccurate word.
What's the right word?
@@chitrikart2328
"Was forced" would be the best replacement in that sentence.
The USSR established a satelite Romanian government threw them away and started killing all dissidents including nobility and church officials.
@@vincenzorutigliano5435 why do you talk to stupid people?
@@vincenzorutigliano5435 you will become who you deal with, don't talk to stupid humans
True. We did not chose to be a republic because it was so last century
Great video! Super interesting!
hey, I love your videos! could u maybe do some more videos on famous families, for example the Tyndale family tree, of William Tyndale. Or could u also maybe do more Irish family trees? That would be very interesting
Would the union of Romania and Canada resulted in Canada becoming an Eastern Orthodox monarchy? That would be interesting.
Romanian kings are orthodox, is Act of Settlement valid in Canada?
good point! Just because he was removed from the Romanian succession doesn't mean he'd be removed from a hypothetical Canadian succession: leading the two monarchies to split again.
Ferdinand and Carol I were Catholics.
@TheRenaissanceman65 Under the Statute of Westminster (1931) all Commonwealth realms must agree to any changes to the line of succession.
@TheRenaissanceman65 That's actually what I meant. Canada, Australia, NZ etc. all passed legislation on the changes to the succession laws with regard to the monarchy as it pertains to them. ie. Queen of Canada, Queen of Australia etc. All did come to an agreement, thankfully.
@TheRenaissanceman65 Orthodox is Catholic, it's just not Roman Catholic.
Loved this one.
That was adorable! Thanks!
wow, this is very cool to see as a romanian
small correction: romania didnt choose to become a republic in 1947, USSR chose that romania would become a republic in 1947
Exactly.
Eh comrade is will of people now vote or go siberia
Yeah, sorry. Should have made that clear.
The question is: would Canada and Romania remain under the same monarch (Michael)? If not, I have proposed a few other ways Canada could be ruled:
1: It could have been ruled by Carol II’s illegitimate son (mentioned around 7:40). This son would have most likely been crowned as Carol III of Canada following his grandfather’s death. As Carol II took the throne of Romania and not Canada, Carol III would have been crowned at the age of 7 following the death of his mother. He would have kept this title for 68 years until his death in 2006 at age 86. The throne would have then passed to Carol III’s elder son Paul (born in 1948), who would have been crowned after his father’s death in 2006. The first in line would to the Canadian throne would be Paul’s 10 year-old son, Carol IV, followed by Paul’s 58 year-old half-brother Alexander.
2: assuming Carol III was passed over for being illegitimate, the title of Canadian King would have passed over to Marie’s second-oldest son, Prince Nicholas. Nicholas was born in 1903 and would have taken the crown just before the age of 35. He would keep the title until his death at age 74 in 1978, having reigned a couple months short of 40 years. Nicolas died without children, and Marie’s only other son died as a toddler. Marie’s eldest daughter, Elisabeth, died before Nicholas and had no children. Marie’s next youngest daughter, Maria, also died before Nicholas. Maria, however, was married to king Alexander I of Yugoslavia. Maria‘s eldest son, Peter II of Yugoslavia, died two years before Nicholas. Therefore, Nicholas would pass his crown to his grandnephew Alexander, crown prince of Yugoslavia. As of July 9, 2020, Alexander is still alive. He will celebrate his 75th birthday on July 17, which is 8 days from now.
In this scenario, Carol III would only be Carol I of Canada because Romania's two Kings of that name were not Kings of Canada. This video works under the assumption of Romania's Carol II also being skipped over in Canadian succession.
That was fun. Thank you!
Very interesting!!
For some reason I like that Romanada flag
But do you like the idea?
@@alexandrub8786 Speaking as someone who grew up in Canada, it's pretty difficult for me to wrap my head around it
There's substantial controversy around King Michael unilaterally removing his grandson (and one of his daughters, too) from the line of succession
I have to imagine that Matt loved making this one!
Happy Canada Day! Please do Australia next!
Marie would be an amazing Queen-regnant. I'd love to see more royalty/history channels do videos about her
Is Elizabeth II technically “Elizabeth I of Canada”? Because the first Elizabeth I didn’t rule in Canada? Or is it still counted according to the UK?
Colin B It makes sense in that case to simplify the titling, especially since Canada is still somewhat under British rule (as a Commonwealth country).
Elizabeth I did in theory rule over Newfoundland
The Crown of the Commonwealth realms is considered singular and inseparable. The Monarchy of Canada isn't separate or distinct from the Monarchy of the United Kingdom, but each country has separate laws and customs that make them separate nations under a single crown. That's why treaties that were signed with the Crown in regards to Canada before the country was incorporated and given independence by the British Parliament are still legal and binding to the Canadian government today.
@@Zach-mw5so Being a member of the Commonwealth does not imply that Canada is still under British rule. The British and Candian monarchs are legally separate positions though the same person occupies both
On Canadian coins she is presented as Elisabeth II and titled queen (regina).
Hi Useful Charts! I love watching your vids and shove something educational in my brain sometimes. Could you kindly do "Who Would be King of the Philippines?" (if it chose to be an independent monarchy from Spain) :D
would be interesting to see who would be the king now if they descended from the first Governor General Miguel Lopez de Legazpi
Agreed! From a Filipino.
Happy Canada Day from Amherst Island, Ontario!
Did you give any thought to exploring Charles Stanley Monck as the first monarch? Though, that's probably a less interesting thought experiment. :)
I wonder if one of these currently would-be kings or queens actually watches your videos. Would they be glad to see people recognizing their birth right or pissed at being exposed to the general public?
Would the communist takeover of Romania in 1947 had succeeded if the Monarch was also the monarch of Canada and thus could use not only the Romanian and Canadian armies, but also call upon its allies in the US and UK for assistance. (NATO was founded in 1949, so its a non-factor). Or even crazier, would the US apply the Monroe Doctrine to Romania since it was in personal Union with Canada. All of a sudden we have a way more complicated Cold War on our hands.
I seemed to have lucked into some kind of happy Canadian algorithm. Yay for me! I subscribed to few channels lately, all interesting and fun, like UsefulCharts. Julie Nolke, Glen and Friends, Charlotte Dobre, and some others. One by one, I am finding out they are all Canadian. Not that I am complaining !
It was so much fun!
Happy Canada Day! My hero King Michael of Romania would have fully deserved to have this destiny instead of his tragic life in exile, having to live to see Romania being destroyed by comunism. Thank you for this great video!
Canadian here, Love the fact that our "potential" queen worked for the UN and the WHO. That is so Canadian! Now I'm really curious to know more about her. Is she a person who is accepting of cultural diversity, human rights and polite? If yes then she is Canadian!
Great video, just wanted to clarify that yes Haakon VII wasn't crowned king of Norway until June 1906, but he was already elected king by late November of 1905
That was fun !
The fact that king Michael could have been a king for 79 years 😭 he fought Nazis he deserved better
That reign would've been the longest in history, five years longer than Louis XIV of France.
i mean tehnically he was only kicked out of Romania in 1947 by communists who took over the country, there wasnt any official document stating he's no longer the king, so his reign is still the longest in history
Here's a video idea for you that's similar to this video:
What if Australia became an independent monarchy after it gained independence from Britain in 1901?
Much like Canada in 1867, Australia didn't really become independent in 1901
très intéressant, merci !
Would you ever consider doing a chart on who would be King of Venezuela today?
Simón Bolívar was similar to Washington, including his followers wanting him to be King
9:08 "In real life, Romaina chose to become a republic in 1947."
More like they had it forced on them by the fucking Soviets, but ok
1. Who would be the King of Ireland if they never were conquered by the Normans and never were part of the Commonwealth?
2. Who would be the Kings of England and Scotland if the British and Scottish crowns weren't united in 1603?
1. Very difficult to decide on a King of Ireland as the pre-Norman system of the High King was informal and was not normally inherited - whoever was the paramount king among Munster, Leinster, Connaght etc could call himself High King but after his death it was never clear who was to be next - and sometimes there was no High King.
2. The 2 crowns were united in 1603 because the rightful heir to the throne of England was the reigning King of Scotland. Scotland and England used a very similar system for determining the royal line of succession so the heir to the throne since then has always been the same for both. Since the Union in 1707, one of the articles was that the there would be only one heir to the throne.
@@sarfcowst I understand. I mean the scenario where the English throne did not pass to the Stewarts. For example, Elizabeth I recognized the marriage of Katherine Gray and Edward Seymour. In order not to transfer the throne to the Scottish ruling dynasty, it was decided to recognize the eldest son of Katherine Gray, Edward Seymour, the heir (in reality, the marriage was not recognized by the queen, and Edward was declared illegitimate, probably you know it better).
Edward Seymour died without the issue, the throne would pass to his brother William. Then we just can follow the line of the Dukes of Somerset until the now living John Seymour, 19th Duke of Somerset, a member of the House of Lords.
Ah, I see what you mean. However, the line of Dukes from Katherine Grey's son only goes up to the 7th Duke who died without heirs in 1750. The inheritor of the title after that was the descendent of a half-brother of Katherine's husband, Edward Seymour (annoyingly also named Edward,) so not in line to claim the throne. Katherine's heir would be the descendants of the 7th Duke's daughter - the present Duke of Northumberland, I think. However, this claim was never a strong one as that whole line is that of Mary, the youngest daughter of Henry VII and the Stuarts are the line of Margaret, the eldest daughter of Henry VII, who must take priority. Also the possibility of Katherine being senior claimant after Elizabeth I was based on a law of 1543 and this was repealed by one of the parliaments of Elizabeth I so no longer counted.
Happy Canada Day from Kerrville, Texas. My pastor’s from Canada.
The Canada - Romania point would still be moot as most monarchical governments guard against this very situation. Kinda like the current Duke of Cambridge and the current Crown Princess of Sweden would be discouraged from courting due to the possibility of both of them inheriting respective thrones. This is why Albert was the better candidate for Queen Victoria. He was a younger son from a politically insignificant duchy not expected to inherit a throne.
Wow, Michael would have ruled Canada for 79 years. That's impressive.
For reference, that's 9 years longer than we had Elizabeth II.
Waiting for the Ottoman Empire chart :)
Also could you do a video on who would be King of quebec following the bourbon-parma line cause i don't think quebec would share a british prince with the rest of Canada they would more likely pick a descandent from a french monarch
I really don’t know what I can use this to but it wow a video.