Street Track Failures: Episode 12 - Helsinki
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2023
- Finland is one of motorsport's biggest and most successful nations. Yet it's never had a sustained presence on the race track front. However, in the mid 90's, an effort was made to try and change that.
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6:38 There was a local interview in 2020 with the race promoter and he said that the third (and last) year was economically a loss and that they were planning to continue but they didn't find an attractive enough of a class to race there after DTM stopped racing in Helsinki. Also the promoter himself was really tired and he had a divorce during those times so he was just done with it.
Ah ok, thanks for saying.
Also, the DTM was very popular in Finland. perhaps even more popular than F1. I had chance to go there 1995 in person and i loved it. I'm still watching the old DTM cars racing the Swiss hill climbs. They just were pure racing.
This is really just one in a series of motor sport fails in Helsinki. There used to be the Eläintarhan ajot street race 1932-1963. After that was deemed too dangerous, a new dedicated race track was opened in Keimola. It was the track where Keke Rosberg, Jyrki Järvilehto, Mika Häkkinen and Mika Salo started their careers. Both Mikas actually lived just a few kilometers away, on the same street. The Keimola track was in use only 1966-1978: public interest was declining and there wasn't really anyone interested in putting money into maintaining the track. It remained abandoned and ingrown for decades, until it was redeveloped into a housing area.
A few years after Helsinki Thunder, there was an attempt to organize F1 boat races in the bays next to the Helsinki Thunder track. But also that stopped after a few years. It is very unlikely that anything like this would return to Helsinki. Public oppinion in Helsinki isn't particularly supportive anymore, and also the area around the Helsinki Thunder track has gradually been redeveloped. Back in the 90's it was still very industrial, with flour mills and cement silos. Now there are mostly offices. The last industrial building, the big power plant, is going to be closed this spring, and will be replaced with more seaside housing.
With all that history Finland has in racing, I find it a huge shame that no track in the country is able to host top international level circuit racing. Thanks for the information about the track, after it's racing tenure.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 Kymi Ring was an attempt. It is a high level track but there has been tonns of problems with covid issues postponing lots of Moto-GP events and it has been a disaster.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 What comes to tracks, Ahvenisto is a fantastic track! Too bad it is too narrow and unsafe for most cars. But the races are always great and drivers really love the track.
Little known fact, when the FOTA F1 breakaway was proposed in 2009, there was a 2010 calendar leaked, that included Helsinki. Since there was no F1 racetrack in Finland at the time, it is speculated that the race would have used a modified version of this street track. This has never been confirmed to be true, but it would be great for Formula 1, to FINALLY, go to Finland, and this is probably the closest to it happening. Also, the circuit feels very Champcar to me, similar to Denver or Vegas 07.
Someone else commented that and it surprised me to hear it. It would definitely be cool if F1 did race in Finland. The countries achievements in the sport speak for themselves. I see what you mean in terms of similarities.
The Helsinki local council claimed they knew nothing about it, and it was merely just added in the PR for the breakaway
yeah I also noticed this the other day. That breakaway series calendar would be so cool these days. I really hate all the dubai and saudi tracks and basically every new track F1 has introduced since 2010
Robert Lappalainen was also famous for campaigning a John Player Special sponsored (in full gold-over-black livery) Mustang for Jack Roush in Trans Am, including the full 1989 season.
I did find that out whilst doing research for this video. Really cool livery.
I read that he was a one-win wonder in that car
I love this series! Would there ever be a series of this but purpose built tracks? Like Indian GP, South Korean GP, Calder Park, or even the Oschersleben WTTC track
Potentially, for the future. Glad you're enjoying this series.
Damn , we really need cup car racing and DTM racing to come back Finland, street- and racetracks included 🤗
It would be great to see international racing return to Finland on a greater scale.
There was a time, in the 2000's or 2010's, when the owners of the big F1 teams were thinking of launching their own league, independent of the FIA, due to having little participation in F1's profits. And they even published a calendar of predicted races. I remember well that among them was a street race in Helsinki. Exactly this circuit. Not sure what layout it would be. But it would be really cool to see F1 in Helsinki. For all the history Finland has in motorsports, F1 should have had a race there a long time ago. Great video !!
Glad you enjoyed the video. It would certainly be cool to see a race in Helsinki again. I think it would be really popular if it did return.
Just drove on Sörnäisten rantatie today. Sadly not at 130 mph though. Also the original layouts would not be possible anymore since the city has evolved and some streets have been partially removed (mainly the sequence of bends at the end).
Ah ok, thanks for the added information.
You can actually do a lap of sorts, in reverse. There's a new bit of road that connects Sörnäisten rantatie to the street where the bendy bit starts in the original track layout, it's just two straights and a 90 degree turn now. Taking the original final corner in reverse just leads to a dead end now.
Thanks for the nice story and footage! We though do still have a street racing located at Seinäjoki Finland. The race is called "Vauhtiajot" (eng. Speed races) but there are no international series racing, only nationals. I have 1 incar video on my channel where I'm racing a time attack sprint on that particular track.
A lot of new information to me, thanks.
If you want to run some pronunciations by a native for a later video, just slide into my DMs.😅
Oh, and to comment on why it all ended: Mr Lappalainen said later that 1997 was already unprofitable and that since more popular DTM wasn't coming back, he decided to call it quits. Lappalainen also said he was completely mentally exhausted due to years of hard work and a recent divorce.
I appreciate the offer on the pronunciation front. I'll get better at it overtime. Google translate will do the job. Thanks for the further reasons on the tracks demise.
I'm still surprised that this youtuber doesn't have that much subscribers, I think he is a very interesting person which I think he's a great guy an soon he'll get a lot of views and subs but that's my opinion about him but this is a good vid
Edit: wow this has alot of likes that is nice also a tip for all if you have a youtube channel and things are abit down don't give up on it and keep trying with ideas cuz you might get an idea that would be loved by all ;)
Those are very kind complements. All I can say is that I do my best to make the videos as good as I can and that I'm always looking to try and improve the quality of my videos.
hopefully the runaway success of the Daytona video helps bring in more people.
The pronunciation of street names is absolutely hilarious. Attempt appreciated. On another note, I love this track. On yet another note, some Hyundai Accent WRC representation at 0:40!
I tried..... woeful attempt by me, but I tried. This track does look awesome. I also wanted to include some of the often forgotten WRC manufacturer backed cars in the video, alongside the Subaru's and Peugeot's.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 Atleast you tried in the best possible way!
There is motor racing track history in Finland. Circuits which have hosted World Championship and other international events. E.g. Eläintarhan ajot event was held in Helsinki between years 1932-1963 on a 2 km long street circuit. Street Circuit Pyynikki was used between 1932-1939 and 1946-1971. Motor Racing World Championship events were held there 1962-1963. Motor Racing GP was also driven in Imatra between 1964-1982 on a street circuit. Jarno Saarinen won the World Championship in 250cc in 1972. Jarno Trulli was named after him. 1983-1985 European Championship event was driven there. International Road Racing Championship event has been held there from 2016 on. Keimola Circuit was opened in 1966. interserie event was driven there between 1970-1972. Finnish race driver Leo Kinnunen won the Interserie Championship in seasons 1971-1973 driving Porsche 917. Steve McQueen asked him to drive in a film Le Mans. Ahvenisto Circuit was opened in 1967. The circuit hosted F2 event that year and E.g. World Championship Road Racing events in 750cc in seasons 1973-1975. Top Gear episode with Mika Häkkinen was filmed there. Some other circuts are Kemora and Botniaring. Then there's also tracks suitable for E.g. Karting. Summer Olympics were held in Helsinki in 1952, but nowadays Olympics are way too big event for Finland to organize. Same goes pretty much with the main Motor Sport series.
Finland certainly has had a lot of history when it comes to race tracks. I just find it sad that there currently isn't a venue that can host top level motorsport in the country, considering how good and prominent they are in motor racing.
One large factor why Helsinki Thunder was canceled was that DTM/ITC was much more popular in Finland (thanks to JJ Lehto and Keke Rosberg) than Endurance racing. People just weren´t very familiar with GT/Sportscar machinery while DTM was hugely popular here and thus ticket sales went down. By the way, I was there as a kid in 1996, following practice and qualifying sessions!
Ok, fair enough. To be fair, considering the FIA GT Series was in it's inaugural season, and with there being fewer cars in the race than other FIA GT rounds, then it's understandable that that may have not drawn as much attention over in Finland. Hope you enjoyed the event though.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 Thanks, it was great, my first time seeing live racing cars! Yes it´s understandable the first FIA GT season was not at the same level as DTM. But also the racing is very different, touring cars have short races and close battles that suite common audience well while 3 hour sports car races with less car to car battles are more for enthusiasts perhaps...
@@Rypsolisti Awesome to hear you enjoyed it. I can definitely see where you're coming from. GT's are a very different form of racing. Perhaps less suited to street tracks than the touring cars are.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 the FIA GT Championship did exist since 1994…as the BPR Global GT series, it was the controversy surrounding the Porsches (had chassis that came from the 962) that led to FIA stepping in with their rulesets - they were the one who created the 25 car homologation rules - this led to teams such as Nissan and then Toyota build Le Mans specials, with zero intention to commit to the series (as Le Mans never intended to be part of it after their fallout with the FIA years earlier)
It sounds like "I found no official reason" is going to be an occurring guest for the rest of the series.
Love the series btw, as another commenter said, it would be interesting to hear about failed purpose made tracks.
I can certainly look into doing a series about failed purpose built race tracks, if people would be interested. Glad you're enjoying this series.
Finland has a long history of not so sound business people building tracks into not so great locations, from which people with nothing better to do complain out of principle. This is accompanied by the bureaucratic nature of local governing, which takes these complaints seriously without too much evidence. This leads to some sad individuals experiencing "power that they never had".
This guy needs to have 1 Million subs! Compliments from Brazil
Thanks for the high praise. Who knows, maybe I will one day!
Love the unique tracks you're showing in this series. Your content is engaging too! Can't wait to see what you have next.
Great to hear you're enjoying the content. I'm always glad to help introduce people to tracks they may have not recognised before.
Another great video about a unique topic. Two extra notes
A. Add a track map, in which you can show which part of the circuit is being described or where the modifications were done to the track. The only oral description with video clips can be difficult to understand without context.
B. I've got another idea for a series: unique pit lanes. For example, the long one from covid Nürburgring 24h, strange formula e pitlanes, 70s Anderstorp with an "island" garages and pitlane separate from start/finish straight, Nascar Sonoma with two pitlanes, one called "Gilligan's Island" etc.
Yeah, the lack of track map has been THE biggest failure of this video series
I can certainly look into doing that, a good idea. That might not work as a series, but certainly a video or two about that is plausible though. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Nascar Busch Clash at The Coliseum has also a very unique pit lane 👍
Wow... I've been to this place a few years ago (Suvilahden kaasukellu to be exact) to take some pictures of the area but I never expected it to be a racetrack once.
The Newer Avus Ring,from the late 80's and early 90's deserves a look at!
I can definitely look at that track as a potential for this series.
Pretty wild seeing these cars race streets I've been to many times.
Glad I could be a help with the 1997 race footage on my RUclips channel :D
Great video as always!
I always try to include the source of the footage from where it's from. Also it helps people find where the footage came from so that they can watch the race in it's entirety, without my irritating voice narrating it. However, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
I was there, watching from the first hairpin - good vantage point for admiring the rapid braking and creative driving lines. JJ Lehto was the big local hero.
There did seem a lot of grandstand seating areas at the hairpin.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 The hairpin was closest to the city centre, making it convenient for those walking to the event from that direction.
One thing that has to be mentioned with this track is that in 1995 you got a Stop & Go penalty for just touching the tyre barriers in the chicanes. That caught out Bartels from the lead before his crash. It was maybe the harshest track limits penalty ever. Some of the track changes for 96 were down to the drivers complaining about this thing.
Never knew that. I probably would've found out if I saw an English commentary of those races. However, interesting to find out all the same.
love these videos, one of my favourite series on RUclips, keep it up!
Glad you rate it so highly. I'll do my best to make sure it stays that way.
Think this is literally my favorite RUclips series currently🤗 Keep up the great work and quality👏
Glad you're enjoying this series! I'll do my best to keep the quality as good as it is (although I do want it to get better).
Hi TyDye, I think you should talked about the AVUS street circuit in Berlin in your future videos because it had the most dangerous banking corner in motorsports history in it and also it’s an unusual race track that take place on a motorway.
That's true, it was indeed a dangerous banked turn in Berlin.
Too bad it was later destroyed... I would have liked to see this curve.
@@Snow_OwL217 I think there was cars who’s flying over the top of this banked curve and I don’t know if there was drivers who’s been seriously injured or unfortunately dies because of this curve.
@@AugustinUndertakerSdmn38 it was also made from rough bricks, lol
@@onegrumpyboi2914 Yeah, that’s true and also making a race track with rough bricks nowadays is literally impossible to do probably for safety reasons but I think during the time when this banked curve aka wall was made in 1921 in post WW1 Germany, I think it’s the cheaper option to do and also this track hosted the Formula 1 German Grand Prix in 1926 and 1959 and for people who didn’t know AVUS means Automobil-Verkehrs-und-Übungsstrasse (Automobile traffic and training road in German).
I wouldn't classify AVUS as a failure at all, it survived for decades
Amazing footage; great narration, nice one 👍
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Honestly imagined you had 100s of thousands of subscribers, your content is great, I'm really enjoying these street circuit documentaries. You've got 1 more sub now. Keep up the good work my guy 👍
Thanks for the compliments, that's very kind of you to say, as well as subscribe to my channel too. I always do my best to make sure the content is as good as I can, and always look to make them better each time.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 keep on keeping on. The algorithm must be working in your favour as this was recommended to me out the blue
@@christycullen2355 The algorithm seems to be recommending my videos at the moment, which is obviously great to see.
I was aware of the Helsinki Street Circuit - used to live nearby. Nowadays you're more likely to find yourself at a music festival in that part of town: either Flow or Tuska. There are other circuits in Finland, such as Ahvenisto (built in 1967, narrow and definitely not FIA approved), Alastaro (which started out as a drag strip), Botniaring, Motopark, Pesämaäki, Kemora, and the latest Kymiring (which is FIA-approved but struggling to re-emerge from bankruptcy), but these are all mostly used for track days and a bit of classic racing or maybe some GT racing.
I was there in 1996 as a teenager. I remember sitting in a grandstand near a couple of those 90 degree turns with all the Opel fans. If I remember right there was another grandstand for Mercedes fans. I'm not entirely sure... It's been a while!
Always cool to hear from people who were at the event. Hope you enjoyed it!
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 It was a great day for me. I had been watching ITC and DTM from tv. The next year there was this new GT class which was great on paper, but not interesting to the public because it was less well known, no tv coverage prior and no Finnish drivers.
I am convinced you are the most underrated F1 youtuber right now. This is great content. Keep it up!
Glad you're enjoying the content! I'll do my best to keep the quality as high as I can.
I would recommend the Keimola motor stadion in Vantaa Finland, nowadays it is a residential area. However the old tower is still there and the roads are still following the old track layout. Sometime ago there was a video in RUclips where one F1 druver explained how to drive the track whike driving like an old Impala or something. The driver was young but can't rememver his name.
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found the video and it was Jim Clarck. The guided part starts at 3:40
ruclips.net/video/agaFAQ1iA_Q/видео.html
This!!! I was about to suggest it myself😁 f2 and interseries raced there but it was short lived
Ah I forgot about that one. Thanks for suggesting as well as linking a video.
Thank you for such good and enjoyable content so often, nice video! :D
Glad you're enjoying the videos!
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 How wouldnt I! :P
Me and my dad went there the first year they organized it, it was cool to see those DTM cars going around the track!
Finland mentioned!
This track is in Assetto Corsa in it's second form and its an absolute blast to drive
have this track in GTR2.. :D
This track does look as though it would be awesome to drive around.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 Many people do race it every week. It's just that it's not closed to traffic when they do so.
Good video, loving the series. Some other street tracks I’d like to see:
- Homebush, Aus
- Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
- Wellington, NZ
Glad you're enjoying the series. All are good suggestions and more than likely to feature in this series.
I remember watching those races as a kid, would make a great venue for a Finnish GP one day
I think the 2nd version of that track would work for F1 quite well, in a freshened up guise.
I would be fond of a return for this track (the second variant specifically)
Helsinki Thunder is an awesome name, i agree, and more tracks should have more uniquely American Sport Teams Names like that 😎
It would be cool to see more race tracks with those sort of names.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 definitely
congratulations, a great series, kee them coming :)
it would be cool to see the Cagliari track, which hosted Euro3000 in about 2003-2004
Glad you're enjoying this series. Cagliari will more than likely feature in this series.
Just binged the whole series after the algorithm suggested this ep. Most enjoyable. As a suggestion, the Baltimore IMSA/Indy circuit would be a good track to cover - IIRC, the first race featured a big shunt BEFORE any cars crossed the start/finish line. It had all the usual street track regulars - 90* corners, fiddly hairpins, tight chicanes, but with the additions of a couple of rail crossings and a really weird pit lane...
Right, off to see what else your channel offers...
Glad you're enjoying the videos. Baltimore will definitely feature, it's the most requested track so far in this series.
Awesome content man, I've always been a huge fan of dead/obscure street tracks in racing. I was gonna suggest San Jose but I see you've already done that 😂
Glad you're enjoying the videos!
this track sounds amazing to drive i think
oh, i *loved* helsinki thunder ! it's the kind of street circuit where there's not a lot happening racing-wise, but damn if the shots aren't impressive and the cars don't look fast. i always thought this track would be a blast to drive, especialy the 1996 layout. always reminded me of st petersburg, somehow, with its deceptively short straights and fast flowing esses.
also, i didn't know they raced gt there, i was under the impression 95 and 96 were the only years any races were held ; they don't seem particularly well suited for the track, though.
I never saw the races live, but I'm the exact opposite of you in that the first I knew/saw anything about this circuit, was via the FIA GT Series. Some of the shots of the cars looked fantastic.
It's very strange thing that Finland has a lot of successes in motorsport but they don't have permanent racing circuit. It's shame that Kymi Ring failed to host MotoGP and some other events. Finland with it's motorsport traditions should have a good circuit.
Finland's great drivers and lack of race tracks is the reason it is 1 of 2 countries to have an F1 World Champion but never hold an F1 World Championship race.
Very nice race track. I would like to see more races on it. Seems to bee challenging but with good opportunities to overtakes and "drag races"
I really liked this track as well. Whilst very unlikely, it would be great to see more racing on that track.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 Too bad there is no longer a chance for the race since the back part of the track has been turned into a mall, subway station and apartment buildings.
Re that GT2 Morgan - I went to the Silverstone FIA GT race in 1997 and saw that in action, certainly a quirky car but surprisingly effective. It was still running at the finish at Silverstone too, in some of the heaviest rain I have ever witnessed!
I would've loved to have seen this car race in real life. Looking back on the race. That was certainly a rainy affair to say the least. Hope you didn't end up too soggy from the event.
Walked around the track last June a the entire final sector no longer exists as it’s all been built over and redeveloped
I hadn't any idea this circuit existed. Its quite mad that I had classes down in the art university on sörnäinenrantatie which you can see around the first chicane. Things have changed quite a lot since then so the circuit is no longer raceable, but still present in parts
Those calibras and alfas were fucking gorgeous and the noise they made were unreal, 15k rpm 🤤
Those cars were amazing, absolutely!
The original track was fantastic in 1995. But just before the event, those chicanes were added to slow the cars down. And that was a big mistake.
I'd say a combination between 1995 and 1996 track would have been the best. Shorten down the back straight a bit, adding one more place to overtake and still keeping the speeds high.
Nothing better than seeing old 90s race cars bouncing off curbs on two wheels 🎶🎶
A few things not mentioned here…
Some of the works teams who also did Le Mans was there, including the McLaren-BMWs. Mercedes, who did not compete at Le Mans, was also there. - Le Mans was never part of the FIA GT series and it attracted teams who was only interested in competing exclusively there such as Porsche the previous year, Nissan that year and controversially, Toyota the next
When Lappainenen picked the FIA GT to host a round, it was clearly a death knell to the event as sports car racing was never a crowd draw for most of its existence
Not to mention, Lappainenen was a one-win wonder at the Trans-Am series in 1990
Ah ok, thanks for the added information on the GT teams front.
man when i saw the big building in the background i instantly knew that it took place in kalasatama funny how even through these years its still there
lot of discussion about engine noise in the city, those days. that good be one reason why endid, ticket prices if I remember correct, was quite high. I was there and I like
They could certainly be factors as well for sure.
I've learned a lot watching this series but
MTV3? Showing DTM races???
Had this popup up in my feed somehow, you have done a great job with this series and all your IRL content.
If I can offer some suggestions,
-A1GP Beijing circuit for the hairpin too tight for the cars
-Shanghai DTM having less than 10,000 turn up
And if Newcastle Australia ends up on this list, I can give you insider knowledge :)
Glad your enjoying this series. Both those suggestions have been requested a few times before and will more than likely feature in this series. Newcastle currently isn't on the list but could do in the future. Looks like a great track though.
Finnaly this track got mentioned, even if it's a failure
I'd long forgotten about this track. However, it was really cool in my opinion.
No need to apologize, good job.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
There is a much more controversial street circuit in Finland called Imatra. While it wasn't really a car track, you don't really specify that as a rule. It features an actual jump over a railway crossing. It was on the MotoGP calendar for a while until the early eighties before it was called MotoGP.
Imatra is a Moto GP track. Still full of tricks and turns, but more of an open highway ruined by few chicanes.
Byt Pyynikki track is mental!
Funny story from this track. My dad built gtp cars for John Gunn. And the first year of this race it was an invite only race. The organizers wanted to use their car for promotional ads and they said alright but we want an invite and they got it.
Did 2 races of 20min and 30min with 90's Touring cars on Helsinki thunder and fuck me, it was total pain 😂😭
For another street track failures im thinking about Dallas and Detroit for 1F in 80s and 90s
Both tracks have been requested before. Will more than likely feature in this series.
One track I was just recently reading about that was a bit of a failure was the Beijing A1GP track, I think it was the 06/07 season. It had a hairpin that was apparently too tight for the cars to navigate so had to widen the corner. Then in qualifying the high downforce of the cars started to pull up manhole covers so had to decide the grid on practice times. They then had to start the race behind safety car as turn 1 was deemed unsafe for a normal restart.
This is one of the most requested tracks in this series, so will definitely be a future episode.
Love the series, my suggestions for future episodes: Miami (Tamiami Park 1985-1988 CART and Museum Park 1995 CART)
That track will more than likely feature in this series at some point.
90s DTM could race in a supermarket and make it look cool
I'd be interested in seeing a supermarket race, just to see what it would look like.
You mentioned the Kymiring, sadly it no longer hosts racing as the owners never paid the construction companies and they went bankrupt
I heard that Nitro Rallycross was meant to go there but that didn't turn into fruition sadly.
love these blasts from the past
id like to have one thing for the future:
would you mind showing a trackmap for every version? if a track has multiple?
would be really nice
Glad you're enjoying these videos, and I can certainly look at doing track maps for all layouts of a location in the future where possible.
Robert Laplainen was also champion of the American Trans-Am Series driving a Mustang for the American Ford team.
A few other people commented this, which came in handy when I saw him racing at the Des Moines track later in my street track series.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742
I saw him race and talked to him at what is now called Sonoma Raceway. Nice guy, hard charger.
@@joestephan1111 Cool to hear you got to speak with him.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742
Glad I could share. Visited Des Moines for a couple of days on a cross country racing safari. I drove around the course which was already being set up. Then a couple of weeks later, after I got back, the floods hit and wiped out the race. 😕
Some (maybe) helpful suggestions:
Usce City Park Circuit (Belgrade, Serbia) - used in 2000's for some national races and it was scheduled 24H GT race n 2010 which was cancelled later
Santa Fe (Argentina) - at least there are 2 locations where was a TC2000 and Super TC2000 races
Baku (Azerbaijan) - in 2012 it was a standalone GT event (City Challenge), in 2013-14 it was a part of GT series (World Challenge) with different circuit
Ribeirão Preto (Brasil) - used for Stock Car Brasil races in 2010-15 and circuit layout was changed three times
Circuito Ayrton Senna (Salvador, Brasil) - used for Stock Car Brasil races in 2009-14
Marrakech Street Circuit (Morocco) - a street circuit (semi-permanent after rebuilding in 2016) when was a WTCC/WTCR and Formula E races, now dropped from world championships
All bar Usce have been requested before and could more than likely feature in this series. Never heard of Usce before, will have to do some research on that.
@@tydyeracinggaming4742 I found some info at wiki that races at Ušće started at 1967 (ETCC, Formula Vee) and that races was held there until 2008 then racing returned to Ušće circuit in 2016 (FIA Central European Zone Circuit Championship and some national races)
@@dimkawhammy Ok, I'll definitely look into that track further.
I bet it would be awesome to blast through there! Wish I could give it a go.
It looks like an awesome track to drive around for sure.
Per capita, Finland has 1.6 times more F1 race wins than Great Britain.
(calculating years 1983-2023, which is the era Finland had drivers in F1 and populus of GB 40Million, Finland 4.5Million)
In rally, it's probably even bigger difference.
Good vidéo underated
Glad you enjoyed the video!
One street circuit that could be discussed for a future video is the LA Street Circuit which was used from 1998-2000 by NASCAR's Southwest Series.
That track will more than likely feature in this series at some point.
I've certainly seen more than a few worse street tracks
This would probably be impossible venue anyways because of the housing development on the area. It's actually kinda weird to think that they used to have car races right on my doorstep.
Wth, I lived in Helsinki during that period. How do I not remember this?!
Funny to see the unique "Jäger-Tonic" livery on the orange Alfa, that was due to a ban of advertisements for high-alcoholic drinks, so they did that instead of "Jägermeister", but beer was okay as there are "Warsteiner" signs.
I remember riding the metrotrain (metrotracks went over the circuit) and seeing some cars racing below. It must have been that last 1997 race. I was 8 years old.
You should make a video about Bilbao Street Circuit (Spain)
Bilbao has been requested before, will certainly do some research on it.
There was another track in Finland Called Imatra which was primarily used for Motogp and sidecar events back in 60s-80s
Didn't know that, I'll have to research that one.
The motorcycle races have been back there since I think 2016 with some road racing series that also has races at places like Chimay. The track layout afaik follows the one from the early 80s except with some extra safety features.
You absolutely butchered the Finnish pronunciation 😂 which doesn't matter really but one tip is O and Ö is different sounding.
Good video 👍🏻 and series. Subscribed!
Glad you enjoyed the video and this series so far and that it was good enough to warrant you subscribing, hugely appreciated thanks. Also thanks for the tip on the pronunciation front. I'll take any where I can get them.
Can you do a video on the San Jose grand prix from 2005-2007 with champcar?
This track has already featured in this series. It was episode 6.
If you're looking for failed street tracks, A1GP was quite notorious for that. Bejing & Durban spring into mind. It might be worth checking them out.
Those tracks will more than likely feature in this series at some point.
Durban wasn’t exactly a failure.
The main reason A1GP left after 2007 was due to the new cars being unfit for the venue + Kyalami would replace the track anyways. (Which was the downfall of Durban as a whole if you read the whole history of the venue.)
you should cover the norisring in nuremberg -the dtm action there was always fierce
I remember I thought it took place in Robocop Detroit
I have had a privilade to have a chat with Mr. Rpppe Lappalainen. He had a signed agreement with Bernie to organize an F1 race in Finland and Helsinki. So plans where there for sure.
That's interesting to hear, thanks for the information.
I always liked this track, weirdly enough and I don't know why. Maybe it's because it's got good bits unlike Gothenburg, or some other Scandie/European street tracks or maybe because it was in that weird post GTP into GT1 with F3000 time when F3000 (I don't remember if GT1 ever did) race at Pau and Monaco and Enna-Pergusa, not really a street track but those chicanes were brutal both in real lie and in games/sims. I have many many many incidents in GTR2/Race/Race 07 with them -.-
I remember Enna-Pergusa and it's chicanes being the bit I struggled with the most on those games.
I'd be curious to know i those are the most brutal chicanes really. I'd wager not, then again whoever desine them should join the poor soul who did T1 at Oschersleben too. We all know how John Cleland eels about that
Keimolan rata kun olisi edes jonkunlaisessa kunnossa pidetty niin siellähän olisi voinut deeteeämmästä formula kakkosiin kisata 00-luvulle saakka.
Wellington nz,had street racing about the same time with similar results.
That track may feature in this series in the future.
You should do one on the Baltimore indycar track
That's the most requested track so far. Will definitely feature in this series.
you should do an episode about the grand prix of Minnesota at the Minneapolis street circuit
That will more than likely become a future episode.
There's a name from the past. Trans am driver Robert Lapallinen
Love it
nice video
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Have you heard of the track that Swedish touring cars used that was built on to a pier in Gothenburg
The Goteborg track has been requested a few times before. Will more than likely feature in this series.
Few reasons for the discontinuation of the event: the 1997 race was financially a disaster and did not turn a profit. Also, after the collapse of DTM/ITC, there just wasn't a good enough class to headline the event (the GT championship just wasn't interesting apparently). And finally, the promoter Robert Lappalainen was just too tired to carry on (after all, the event was pretty much "his").
Surprised the GT cars weren't seemingly exciting enough. I think if the date had been better for more of the teams to have taken part, thus resulting in a bigger grid, I think it would've led to more people turning up.