As a support main, not only am I elo-inflated, but I will also promptly ignore all of this information and spam autos on the minion wave because I'm "helping" my ADC
skill cap who? this is better then their explanations I see all the time in their vids!!! good job. A series would be great of tips like this. idk maybe have a poll and see what the fans want?
one of your best vids hands down. I feel like a lot of low elo players (including me) underestimate wave management when it can literally make or break a game. this is def a vid I'll be watching more than once! ty again for the amazing content.
I've been trying to learn how to do this exact thing for a while (I never gave it much thought as a Viktor player, I just shove and roam or shove and hide under tower), so this video came at the perfect time.
1) Yes but you can just simplify it by ignoring it since minion AI will sometimes fuck the math anyways if they target differently 2) Kill casters first
i’ve needed a video like this for forever!!! all the other wave management guides seem way too broad and vague, and i never got much out of them. but this is great
Hi. Today I just watched ur video about improving in League. Could u say that wave management is the most important skill to learn in League? I'm thinking about starting mastering it, as first step towards master :)
The fundamentals of laning (Farming + trading) are the basic requirement for wave management to be relevant. If you hold a wave and do nothing with it, why does it matter if you held the wave.
Yo~~!! Thanks Zianni! I am super happy to see this video! It's something I have been interested in learning for a long time! I am going to put this into practice in my own games. Thanks again man, amazing content!
Imagine I give prio to talon into anivia - amumu vs talon - heca , the first thing I see is that talon instantly invades my jungle with hecarim but in other hand my jungle can't invade and is better ganking so I guess I preffer to freeze it. If I push the lane probably I'm gonna get ganked by hecarim and probably he will use ghost and make me waste a flash and recall. So if u freeze ur jungle is the target , but if u don't freeze ur the target. What I noticed is that if I push as anivia into talon and my amumu is near of me, if heca ganks and amumu counter ganks I almost always win because I got more minions and I poked talon earlier so I got more hp but in other hand if amumu doesn't react to it or if some support moves towards mid they kinda decide who wins... So for me is too relative to know what to do because I almost never see a win-win condition, it always relies in what the other players will do. So I don't find the good decision. Every decision seems to have problems ... Another stuff that I notice is that if the wave is pushing for me it's true that he can move quickly but in other hand if the fight doesn't take too much time and I move too to evade the invade sometimes they lose more minions moving because the wave didn't crash and it was slow pushing into me. But I don't really find a way to play around it because although I see it my team doesn't or doesn't care and I can't just say stop now to fight if we stop now we win adv because I win in minion adv now . I see the same kind of stuff like nidalee invading while I'm under tower and I move and I lose minions and she keeps invading my jungle and after the wave dies under my tower nidalee just leaves... Although I liked ur content I don't find it so linear as u say it I would like to watch some videos more directed to master -gm players that find themselves hardstucked and want to understand their mistakes .
Tremendously well done video! Thank you. Not much content on RUclips can compete with yours right now, really. The problem I have on Gold elo is that I don't know if I can actually trust this information about the jungle path... Just saw on your stream a jarvan taking your flash because you thought you were safe, but he just did a really bad pathing and ganked you... Happens a lot to me xD
Thank you for the kind words. It's better to play correctly following on the proper process than just playing wrong on purpose, no harm in dying if you're making objectively the right plays. Adapting or being flexible based off information is important tho
Thanks for the info Zianni, I have a question though, what you should do with your wave if you are playing Orianna for example into an assassin matchup like Akali. As you kinda want to have prio to prevent them from roaming and killing your side laners, but this can kill because of ganks or assassins All-ins, and if you freezed the wave they may roam and kill your side laners and snowball out of control. So both options have pros and cons but which option should I invest my time in generally on assassin mathups as Orianna
That's the crutch of the problem, good job. It then becomes jungle reliant or you just focus on wave clearing to apply pressure. As long as you're warding for your teammates you can also push or hold to make them lose CS. Lower elos don't understand roam timers so they roam while losing minions so you're pretty much forced to put pressure since the enemy mid doesn't care they're 50 cs lol
I'm a d1 player but I felt like my problem mostly was with wave management now the good things is that I knew almost everything in this video but there were some things that I took notice to once you mentioned them so the video was great :D
This was very helpful, especially as a supp main who usually does not have to directly manage the wave. I will practice a few games mid or top to make sure I have the basics down! Thank you!
Push wave and walk away until it resets lol, if you're not there after it pushes it doesn't matter XD All you do on Malz is wait for gank then flash ult. Malz is not very good for learning the game, just very niche playstyle.
Great video. Love the educational content. I don't get to play much. Usually one game a day but I love when I let the enemy mid push me in then they realize they fucked themselves. Lol
Perfection! Would be dope to see a follow up video of you sharing scenarios and asking the viewer what is the best thing to do in this scenario. Then explain you your explain ur answer.
Video helped me a lot understanding the fundamentals of waves but I’m not sure if my jungler will have the same opinion about this, playing in silver division since I’m new to this game !!
That's fascinating, I'm a jungle main so I don't normally watch lane states at that level of intricacy. I expect this could help my ganks in a similar vein.
Been thinking of transitioning back to mid from adc because games are just so out of my favor even when im ahead and win lane so this management guide is really useful
This is easily the best guide on wave management on youtube. Clear. Concise. No random plugs and bs. I'm a relatively new player and this is going to help so much. Earned sub Ty
Excellent guide, I loved it. I've been watching wave management guides but this one is definitely the most complete and easiest to understand. Thank you so much for your effort! Looking forward for your next video ☺️
one thing to add: single target spells and AAs draw Minion aggro. when the enemy minions are attacking you they are not dpsing the ally wave. this naturally pushes the lane and could break your freeze if you don't pay attention.
Thanks for helping with it, I always struggle to make decisions about my wave
Np, my pleasure
As a support main, not only am I elo-inflated, but I will also promptly ignore all of this information and spam autos on the minion wave because I'm "helping" my ADC
As you should, carry on.
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Bless up fam
Still don't get it. I think I'm too stupid for wave management. After 10 years I still haven't learned even the basics of this.
I love these educational videos, especially with how collected and directly you talk about stuff
Glad you enjoy them! Thanks for watching
skill cap who? this is better then their explanations I see all the time in their vids!!! good job. A series would be great of tips like this. idk maybe have a poll and see what the fans want?
Working on it! Thanks for the compliments
one of your best vids hands down. I feel like a lot of low elo players (including me) underestimate wave management when it can literally make or break a game. this is def a vid I'll be watching more than once! ty again for the amazing content.
Thanks for watching:3
Definitely guilty of pushing for no reason. This gives a more solid template for wave related decision making
We all are :(
I can tell you understand this. But you can't explain it. You repeat the same and define terms by using the same term😅
Very clear and informative!
Thanks!
I've been trying to learn how to do this exact thing for a while (I never gave it much thought as a Viktor player, I just shove and roam or shove and hide under tower), so this video came at the perfect time.
Hope it helps and you get value out of this :3
2 questions;
1. Does the hp of the creeps factor into push?
2. Is better to kill the enemy melees or casters first to slow push?
1) Yes but you can just simplify it by ignoring it since minion AI will sometimes fuck the math anyways if they target differently
2) Kill casters first
You so cute when youre so educational with your mad eyebrows^^
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OMG THIS IS LEGIT WHAT I NEEDED ONG THANK YOU KING ZIANNI !!!
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@@Zianni oMG A KITTY CAT!! *pat pat*
Deadass you’ve made me better at mid lane just with these videos. Been ruining peoples day on ori
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This is exactly what I needed let’s go
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i’ve needed a video like this for forever!!! all the other wave management guides seem way too broad and vague, and i never got much out of them. but this is great
Thanks so much!
I actually was needing to learn wave manipulation. Good shit 💜 (retro)
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Hi. Today I just watched ur video about improving in League. Could u say that wave management is the most important skill to learn in League? I'm thinking about starting mastering it, as first step towards master :)
The fundamentals of laning (Farming + trading) are the basic requirement for wave management to be relevant. If you hold a wave and do nothing with it, why does it matter if you held the wave.
@@Zianni great answer. Ty!
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Good video xD
Yo~~!! Thanks Zianni! I am super happy to see this video! It's something I have been interested in learning for a long time! I am going to put this into practice in my own games.
Thanks again man, amazing content!
Thanks for watching :3 Hope you see the benefits
Just hit m7 on Syndra due to your help. Now time to perfect my combos/matchup knowledge and work on my macro! Thanks Zianni
Congrats on M7!! Looking forward to your continued success
so this is what it feels to be gank, i been mid so many times, always being pushes, My jungler gank maybe 30% of my games
I really like that almost at the satrt of the video about a lane the jungler gets mentioned. Team oriented mindset for the win.
Imagine I give prio to talon into anivia - amumu vs talon - heca , the first thing I see is that talon instantly invades my jungle with hecarim but in other hand my jungle can't invade and is better ganking so I guess I preffer to freeze it. If I push the lane probably I'm gonna get ganked by hecarim and probably he will use ghost and make me waste a flash and recall. So if u freeze ur jungle is the target , but if u don't freeze ur the target. What I noticed is that if I push as anivia into talon and my amumu is near of me, if heca ganks and amumu counter ganks I almost always win because I got more minions and I poked talon earlier so I got more hp but in other hand if amumu doesn't react to it or if some support moves towards mid they kinda decide who wins... So for me is too relative to know what to do because I almost never see a win-win condition, it always relies in what the other players will do. So I don't find the good decision. Every decision seems to have problems ... Another stuff that I notice is that if the wave is pushing for me it's true that he can move quickly but in other hand if the fight doesn't take too much time and I move too to evade the invade sometimes they lose more minions moving because the wave didn't crash and it was slow pushing into me. But I don't really find a way to play around it because although I see it my team doesn't or doesn't care and I can't just say stop now to fight if we stop now we win adv because I win in minion adv now . I see the same kind of stuff like nidalee invading while I'm under tower and I move and I lose minions and she keeps invading my jungle and after the wave dies under my tower nidalee just leaves... Although I liked ur content I don't find it so linear as u say it I would like to watch some videos more directed to master -gm players that find themselves hardstucked and want to understand their mistakes .
Tremendously well done video! Thank you. Not much content on RUclips can compete with yours right now, really.
The problem I have on Gold elo is that I don't know if I can actually trust this information about the jungle path... Just saw on your stream a jarvan taking your flash because you thought you were safe, but he just did a really bad pathing and ganked you... Happens a lot to me xD
Thank you for the kind words. It's better to play correctly following on the proper process than just playing wrong on purpose, no harm in dying if you're making objectively the right plays. Adapting or being flexible based off information is important tho
Thanks for the info Zianni, I have a question though, what you should do with your wave if you are playing Orianna for example into an assassin matchup like Akali. As you kinda want to have prio to prevent them from roaming and killing your side laners, but this can kill because of ganks or assassins All-ins, and if you freezed the wave they may roam and kill your side laners and snowball out of control. So both options have pros and cons but which option should I invest my time in generally on assassin mathups as Orianna
That's the crutch of the problem, good job. It then becomes jungle reliant or you just focus on wave clearing to apply pressure. As long as you're warding for your teammates you can also push or hold to make them lose CS. Lower elos don't understand roam timers so they roam while losing minions so you're pretty much forced to put pressure since the enemy mid doesn't care they're 50 cs lol
@@Zianni Ok Zianni thanks a lot for the advice
I'm a d1 player but I felt like my problem mostly was with wave management now the good things is that I knew almost everything in this video but there were some things that I took notice to once you mentioned them so the video was great :D
Never understood waves till i watched ur vid , very clear thank u
Thanks for the great video
Thanks for watching
This was very helpful, especially as a supp main who usually does not have to directly manage the wave. I will practice a few games mid or top to make sure I have the basics down! Thank you!
Glad it helped!
*making notes like a madwoman*
pop off queen
I just play lux and insta clear every mid wave, am I doing it right?
Thanks my guy! 👍
Np thanks for watching
This is the kind of video I need. Thx king 👑
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I love you for this man thanks for the video
I love u more
Hi Zianni, nice video. Can you tell me what music usually is playing in your (vod) videos? It sounds like it's from a game, I find it very relaxing.
My VODs on stream are audiospliced so there should be no music. RUclips videos is old-school runescape music
Malzahar and his kit auto pushes for him after level 2 how do I manage that efficiently?
Push wave and walk away until it resets lol, if you're not there after it pushes it doesn't matter XD All you do on Malz is wait for gank then flash ult.
Malz is not very good for learning the game, just very niche playstyle.
Great video. Love the educational content. I don't get to play much. Usually one game a day but I love when I let the enemy mid push me in then they realize they fucked themselves. Lol
Its the ultimate reversal
Extremely helpful!
No u
Thankyou very much for the educational vid. Best midlane youtuber 100%
Glad to help, appreciate you
Perfection! Would be dope to see a follow up video of you sharing scenarios and asking the viewer what is the best thing to do in this scenario. Then explain you your explain ur answer.
Great suggestion!
Hi Zianni, from the next giuide can you put the Time Stamp at video so is easy to find and rewatch what we missundestend? Thanks a lot
Sounds good, I'll do that for this one as well
@@Zianni thanks a lot man you got a new fan from Italy on YT AND TWITCH NO CAP!
Really nice content and also a fitting voice for content creating! Keep it up i think you'll be huge soon!
Thanks, will do!
Thank you for another excellent video big bear.
Thank u
Thanks perfect
Thank you
Video helped me a lot understanding the fundamentals of waves but I’m not sure if my jungler will have the same opinion about this, playing in silver division since I’m new to this game !!
brb linking this vid to all my teammates
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That's fascinating, I'm a jungle main so I don't normally watch lane states at that level of intricacy. I expect this could help my ganks in a similar vein.
BIG
Been thinking of transitioning back to mid from adc because games are just so out of my favor even when im ahead and win lane so this management guide is really useful
The rule of thumb using the lines just before 8:50 representing the incoming wave's impact was great.
This was really helpful bro. Definitely really useful information in here
Incredible content! Absolutely love this.
This is easily the best guide on wave management on youtube. Clear. Concise. No random plugs and bs. I'm a relatively new player and this is going to help so much. Earned sub Ty
Great video Zianni!
Thanks!
Excellent guide, I loved it. I've been watching wave management guides but this one is definitely the most complete and easiest to understand. Thank you so much for your effort! Looking forward for your next video ☺️
one thing to add: single target spells and AAs draw Minion aggro. when the enemy minions are attacking you they are not dpsing the ally wave. this naturally pushes the lane and could break your freeze if you don't pay attention.
U sure about challenger??
great vid z ily
Love u too