Challenger ADC | BOT LANE WAVE MANAGEMENT GUIDE FOR S13, Including "The Rekkles"

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  • Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024

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  • @jurivjerdha2467
    @jurivjerdha2467 10 месяцев назад +39

    wave menagment is the solo most important league mechanic . it doesnt even matter your skill level ,if you can trade with your champ and menage the wave you will climb alot

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  10 месяцев назад +2

      Definitely agree its also one aspect any League player can learn. It's not rocket science.

  • @starboygoose
    @starboygoose Год назад +130

    This is a massive improvement over the previous video, keep it up!

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад +7

      Thanks a lot for the kind words, appreciate it!

  • @Nick-jq8tl
    @Nick-jq8tl Год назад +9

    Great content, alot of guides are incredibly vague with like "if you're behind make sure to freeze or slowpush" without any specifics or information on how or when to do that. Super helpful, hopefully I can catch you on twitch someitme!

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад +1

      Thanks a lot for the kind words, appreciate them! I'm streaming every coaching session I have, will do one tomorrow at 19 :) www.twitch.tv/emtest !

  • @billnguyen7171
    @billnguyen7171 Год назад +8

    Hey! I commented last time that a longer video would be amazing, and this is exactly the type of content no one else has! Awesome!!

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад

      Thanks for giving me the feedback homie, this ones for you :D

  • @yoshikuu
    @yoshikuu Год назад +29

    I'm a support main and wave management has been hard for me to learn but I'm trying to know it so I can climb and this video is so amazing, thank you. It has helped me a lot!

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад +4

      Thanks a lot for the kind words mate really appreciate it! Gl in ur climb, always good to know about wave management no matter what role you play :)

    • @yoshikuu
      @yoshikuu Год назад +1

      @@EmtestLoL You're welcome and thank you for the good luck, seriously I appreciate this video a lot!

  • @Hoyochii
    @Hoyochii Год назад +17

    Really well made and thought out guide. Really looking to improve with wave management and general game knowledge before really touching harder upon mechanics. Gonna keep reprocessing the information everytime i forget or just rewatch at least everyday to make sure i understand everything.

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад +1

      Hope ur doing good man and that u were able to put this into good use!

  • @ElliotHa-mr8pb
    @ElliotHa-mr8pb 5 месяцев назад +1

    Don't know if you still play league, but would love to see you back as a content creator on high elo concepts! Climbing to GM right now and your video is a godsend

  • @verkir_
    @verkir_ Год назад +9

    Excellent video. Thanks for the guide!

  • @vicc6322
    @vicc6322 Год назад +11

    thank you so much for this! i'm currently trying to climb my way out of silver with my duo (who's a fantastic support) and I think the only thing we lack in our lane is good wave management. we fight really well together and i can pull 7-8 cs/min (team/jg permitting), but sometimes just killing the enemy isn't enough to put them into the ground and help my team win better. definitely using that first flowchart to plan out our picks!!

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад +2

      Hope ur gold now buddy, let me know if u have any questions :)

    • @el_psy_canguri
      @el_psy_canguri 10 месяцев назад

      What rank are you now?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  10 месяцев назад

      www.op.gg/summoners/euw/emtest here is my opgg@@el_psy_canguri

    • @egoval
      @egoval 9 месяцев назад

      @@EmtestLoL you need to drop the naut bro LOL

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  9 месяцев назад

      Bro I swear if you dont have negative winrate as Naut ur not a real support , I'm just doing my part @@egoval

  • @nasko235679
    @nasko235679 Год назад +2

    Nice, keep it up champ. There is so much unexplored territory as far as bot lane details goes, you can fill that void easily!

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад

      Thanks a lot, will keep at it!

    • @mylynguyen6512
      @mylynguyen6512 Год назад

      you can slow push with any adc, but u can not freeze as tristana :x

  • @zeeebass4061
    @zeeebass4061 Год назад +6

    I subbed, these videos are amazing and this is something I had to learn the hard way while playing 100’s of games
    Keep it up! Thank you

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад

      Thanks a lot, appreciate it! Will do :)

  • @BirdDude_TTV
    @BirdDude_TTV Год назад +8

    I really learned alot you described everything so much better than other videos Thanks bro keep it up!

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад

      Thanks a lot man I really appreciate it, hopefully new vid tomorrow / wednesday :)

  • @TayvenS
    @TayvenS Год назад +4

    Perfect. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks so much for the content!

  • @mfwnogf8249
    @mfwnogf8249 Год назад +8

    Love your content bro. Keep up the good work.

  • @fonixisgliding
    @fonixisgliding Год назад +6

    I didnt watch the whole video yet im at 5min but i want to mention the bush control on bot lane what is really important for example if you slowpushed your waves into the enemy turret you can fake a recall if the enemy has no wards in the bushes because most likely your opponent will shove the wave cause he thinks youre basing (+Your jungler can walk up to bushes without the enemy knowing it.). You might lose time its a lil bit of a flip but if youre able to get a kill by that you will be super ahead + you get a massive mental advantage over your opponent which is most likely +50% chance for win in SoloQ. Yes you have to know Flash timers etc. but even if you fail somehow you will be still able to catch your waves without losing so much. Overall Im most likely doing "the Rekkles wave management" usually basing when the wave is at the middle of the lane (when enemy is basing) if I know the kill potential is pretty low its the most effective laning in soloq in my opinion because you will get your chances anyways since with this tactic the enemy will be always prone to ganks (lower chances for objectives but you have to give up something with every decisions).

  • @Konstenius18
    @Konstenius18 Год назад

    Haha aldrig hört en bättre svengelska! Grym video🤘🏻

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      Tack mannen, måste embraca svengelskan 😎

  • @ok3029
    @ok3029 Год назад

    Fantastic video and explanation. The greatest compliment I can give is that it kept my adhd having ass seated.

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      Thats what I like to hear man lets gooo

  • @AlexPaulLEWZ
    @AlexPaulLEWZ Год назад +1

    This video is a massive help. Thank you!

  • @ProtoxBlogs
    @ProtoxBlogs 8 месяцев назад

    this video is really crazy, well job man

  • @djulianrios8666
    @djulianrios8666 8 месяцев назад

    for the rekkles the cons is that if u dont know where they are they can come back and freeze whil u base

  • @jussepapi
    @jussepapi Год назад +1

    You rock, Emtest. Thank you! /Jussepapi

  • @danielettrico
    @danielettrico Год назад +2

    I only miss "how to slowpush", will check it somewhere else and I think I get everything for adc. jokes aside great video, this is high level stuff

  • @falkenauge4176
    @falkenauge4176 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hello, my Feedback, as and Player which currently breaked out of Silver into Gold: Very helpful but its like to much to think about when im going ingame, its overwhelming so i lose abit the Idea how to use it: the short videos were very helpful pls more of that, thx for Content, Platinum incoming.

  • @onethreeify
    @onethreeify Год назад +1

    Great video, thank u!

  • @Yomolink
    @Yomolink Год назад +1

    Amazing video, can you make one video about champion pool? Solid designed ADCs that you recommend mastering for soloQ, not taking into account the patch, etc...
    Thank you so much :)

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад +1

      I know im 5 months late but ty for the idea, might just do that!

  • @nathanc6519
    @nathanc6519 8 месяцев назад

    ill link this video to my sup every game

  • @simplimortui7634
    @simplimortui7634 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hey thank you your videos are really helpful, im an bronze adc and i don't know how to improve my decision making, could please maybe talk about sometime?

  • @JM-gu7jx
    @JM-gu7jx Год назад +4

    Why did you delete the reddit thread?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад +1

      Summoners school removed it for "promoting of content" sadly

  • @DKEaser
    @DKEaser Год назад +2

    Great guide!
    Do you have any advice for slow push with Tristana? Thank you in advance and keep up the good work. 💪

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад +1

      Thanks a lot!
      You can still slowpush with Tristana - you just can't stack as many waves as with other ADC's. I recommend keeping track of your creeps and try to lasthit them when they are close to as few creeps as possible. Good luck :)

    • @DKEaser
      @DKEaser Год назад +1

      @@EmtestLoL Thank you Sir!

  • @sherifteemo
    @sherifteemo 10 месяцев назад +1

    thank you😁

  • @legoalex1930
    @legoalex1930 11 месяцев назад

    Nice thanks

  • @valentinbonchev7485
    @valentinbonchev7485 Год назад +1

    Idk why i rewatch this over and over and i still cant amplify this in my games

  • @drgoya3988
    @drgoya3988 4 месяца назад

    HI, TY FOR THE EXPLÀINÀTION, VERY USEFUL (IM TOP MÀIN)

  • @MacivaLP
    @MacivaLP Год назад +2

    Got a question about the clip you've showed in the rekkles part. Imo this state always leads to an unresolvable lane state. if the enemy realizes, that you have no pressure to shove further than the first brush, he can just thin out the stacking wave and just freeze it. As you are low as fuck you cant really break the freeze so resetting in a hella awkward spot is the only solution I guess (besides calling your jungler for help which happens so rarely, even in mid master elo)?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад +2

      Can't answer this with something that u can apply in every game since every wave and game is different. The point about the Rekkles though is not showing that u are weak, it was just in this case where I was low that I just wanted to put it there for a brief moment to shove next wave since when I put the wave in that position, my team who were botside was able to help if something happened.
      The point about the Rekkles is to be able to start a slowpush in a really safe state for you, but you can use this whether ur strong or not. Obviously, if u are rly weak you need to think twice before doing this as enemy might try to freeze as you mentioned.
      Sry for vague answer but it's a really hard question to answer: Every game and wave is different and requires a different solution.

  • @michicespo
    @michicespo Год назад +2

    9:50 so do you just back if you can't shove fast enough? Can't the enemy just shove or whatever when they come back to lane before you (even though maybe this situation is more probable in midlane which is shorter)?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад

      Usually if ur enemy is basing on a neutral wave state with no cannon wave u have time to push it in with almost all botlane champs, just have to realize that he is basing in time. If you don't do this, u can base as long as you don't do it 15-20 seconds after him, by the time he arrives the next wave should be incoming and he won't have time to shove it most of the time.

  • @sakarias00
    @sakarias00 11 месяцев назад +1

    The only thing i’m wondering is what the goal is with each of these ”tricks”. Cuz I’m having a hard time imagining when exactly i should use which strategy. Like Which one is most optimal in Which situation.

    • @bkz1667
      @bkz1667 11 месяцев назад

      It depends on many factors, starting from the draft, what champs are in the enemy botlane (if they are an engage support and an adc to go all in at lvl 2, if they are an adc and a supp to push and take out plates from early, if it is a poke bot, etc.) the rival jungler, where he starts and where he paths, that corresponds to the jungle tracking, the enemy midlaner, if it is a champion like malza who pushes fast, if it is an assassin like zed or akali and the matchup that is in front of him, if he are going to force it to rotate or stay in line, your own setup along with your supp, your jungle and mid taking into account the aspects already mentioned. This is very good content, but you have to understand all this terminology , and then you will realize when it is good to do a slowpush to prepare a dive, to make drake, to invade together with your jungler or rotate to mid, because what the slowpush does is give you time to participate in another part of the map or tempo to recall and come back to lane with an item advantage , since you force the enemy laner to stay in line or lose that xp and gold

  • @aaronvalentinleo
    @aaronvalentinleo 8 месяцев назад

    thank you!

  • @jonibaba5294
    @jonibaba5294 Год назад

    good video, thank you sir!

  • @EmtestLoL
    @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

    What would you guys like to see more of? Let me know!

  • @timmySmith-jl8jx
    @timmySmith-jl8jx 8 месяцев назад

    I'll probably be able to hit Diamond off of this info (currently Emerald). TY!!

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  8 месяцев назад

      gl man, comment here again if u make it :D

  • @Alternatykw
    @Alternatykw 5 месяцев назад

    10:20 if this happens go die to tower minions hit you and enemy minions die

  • @stwayb
    @stwayb Год назад +1

    at 10:00 when you see that you dont have enough time to push in the wave, what should you do?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад

      Depends on a lot of factors: Your champions waveclear, if ur jungle / enemy jungle is bot or not. There is not one answer to this question sadly. Worst case u just have to leave it here and base anyways or die for pushing in next wave and make sure u crash it.

  • @junner13
    @junner13 11 месяцев назад +1

    It's ok to slowpush even when you can push one wave to deny it to enemy?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      Depends on what you want to do with it. Do you want to dive him? Then slowpushing & stacking a bigger wave is better, but denying your opponent a wave for free is never bad.

  • @ether6521
    @ether6521 Год назад

    Thanks

  • @mylynguyen6512
    @mylynguyen6512 Год назад

    i love, so interesting ! But i still don't understand what are the situations to do the Rekkles 😞

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      When u want ur wave to be on your side of the lane for more safety and option to slowpush easier :) if wave is in the middle u have to usually fight for push

  • @delpad8746
    @delpad8746 7 месяцев назад

    could you link your google doc?

  • @veelenmoodley228
    @veelenmoodley228 9 месяцев назад

    Do we get the power Point ? - 8:21

  • @tijngray5580
    @tijngray5580 Год назад

    very good video

  • @noahshai4739
    @noahshai4739 Год назад +1

    Can you do a video about cheater recall?

    • @yukariyakumox9027
      @yukariyakumox9027 Год назад +2

      the cheater recall is basically slowpushing first and 2nd wave in early, then on 3rd wave (cannon wave), you wait for the cannon wave to join the rest of your minions, then you crash the minions into enemy tower, enemy will need to take the wave, that's when you recall, you come back to lane with like, long sword, so item advantage, meanwhile they couldn't base because the minion wave is so big, so they have to stay in lane at an item disadvantage, or they recall and you let it slowpush into you, setting up a freeze and deny them SO MUCH gold and exp that you will be level 4 while they are still 2.

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад

      This^ there’s tons of videos about this already but thanks for ur input, might do something in the future :)

  • @hammurd
    @hammurd Год назад

    10:00 what do you do if the answer is no to ‘Can you shove this wave before the next’ and you aren’t in a favorable position

    • @shyless6526
      @shyless6526 Год назад

      just leave the wave and base. You'll miss some minions, but not too much, because they are not pushing too hard and at least you'll not get the "doom" position

  • @DKEaser
    @DKEaser Год назад +1

    One more question: Which addon are you using for jungle camp timers?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад +1

      It's the blitz app that does it for me!

    • @DKEaser
      @DKEaser Год назад

      @@EmtestLoL Thank you Sir!

  • @kiril12944
    @kiril12944 Год назад +1

    11:03

  • @imitfdx9632
    @imitfdx9632 9 месяцев назад

    would some of these apply to other lanes?

  • @Ferdio03
    @Ferdio03 11 месяцев назад

    One Question, in the first example of incorrect shoving, were the shove is to slow and ends up in a bad wave state. What was the right play there?
    A slowpush, so dont hit the first and crash on second with stack wave? Is that right?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      Yes exactly, you got it!

  • @btvitek1671
    @btvitek1671 Год назад

    guess have to send it to my random adc in yolo q, they freaking dont know what wavemanagement is!

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      Spread the word bro

  • @Raskelot
    @Raskelot 10 месяцев назад

    I'm 100% sure this video is great source of information, but I'm at 1min in and I have to quit because I can't stand power point.

  • @ChasingLoL
    @ChasingLoL Год назад

    3:12 how did you slowpush 4 waves level 1??? I heard Shok say it's posssible in top/bot but never seen it! Did you pull wave and zone them level 1? PS it should be easier now that minions have been sped up?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, it’s a mix between sped up creeps but also look how im usually not last hitting the creep until its in execute range of MY OWN minions. That + not hitting creeps as soon as u have secured lane control is how u can stack 4 waves.

  • @takbylo2309
    @takbylo2309 10 месяцев назад +1

    Are you and Bauss brothers? 😅

  • @anewbeginningquinn
    @anewbeginningquinn 11 месяцев назад

    1. You're really hot
    2. Please explain what priority means !! it's a word i see more and more but it wasn't there in the old league days

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      Priority means you are currently stronger than your opponent and therefore gets to decide what happens to the minion wave!

  • @SuperSigner10
    @SuperSigner10 Год назад +2

    Do you also believe adc is weak for SoloQ?

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад

      I think ADC is in a strong state right now, so many champions that spikes on two items that are rly strong against tanks that are in meta right now. Not weak at all imo!

    • @mylynguyen6512
      @mylynguyen6512 Год назад

      no it's not weak , it is weak if you have none protection (pyke support + assassin mid + assassin jgl), because ADC has low defensive stats and lackof mobility
      but if you get an enchanter (shields/heal), a mage mid (CC machine), a bruiser or tank jgl/top (frontline and cc machine), it's perfect for any adcs (even immobiles adc)!!
      As there is rarely 3 assassins in a game, and there is always at least one bruiser with cc in a game, ADCs isn't weak !
      Only metas where assassins are dominating are dangerous for adcs i think !
      Ah, try to duoQ, soloQ sucks 😢

    • @SuperSigner10
      @SuperSigner10 Год назад

      @@mylynguyen6512 Assassins were always good for soloQ imo.But yes adc is good now too.I wouldnt believe this three months ago tho.Thank you.

  • @kiosx14
    @kiosx14 Год назад +1

    guys how you all watching this but not sub lol.

  • @TheBrettonia
    @TheBrettonia Год назад

    to be hoinest with u as a hardstuck NA gold player, i know all of this, and i execute the wave management, what has taken me out of adc role is the fact that my support has no idea about any of this and would troll me hit minions by trying to poke shove on her own, and jgler never come bot, and mid laner coming in all innning killing me getting away with every time, champs like diana/yone/noct/annie, any of these that would roam boat flash all out clear me and get out, when i get fisted by my own team and enemy on repeat, is the type of videos id like to see

    • @mylynguyen6512
      @mylynguyen6512 Год назад

      i main support, and i play adc sometimes, because i hate when adcs don't know anything to wave management !
      First of all, it is pretty cocky from you, a gold player, to say you know everything about a challenger wave management lesson. I'm sure there is few thigns you don't apply in game which results you dying to ennemy mid ganks
      Then, it is false than junglers never come bot in S13. Maybe they haven't because you were toxic, or wave was doomed (so they benefit nothing from helping you) ?
      I agree that some support, especially mages, randomly throw spells in the wave... maybe they tried to poke, but it is very tilting, 100% agree with you on that point.
      However, you can try to ping them ("push forward" to push, or "hold the area" to freeze) if , they still don't udnerstand, type in the chat
      Everytime i typed, they listened. Why they listen ? Because if they throw spells in wave randomly, they don't know anything about the wave management, and they may be glad that their adc know something, to lead them. An ignorant wouldn't refuse tips from someone who has knowledge !
      But of course, they may listen only if you're respecting them and not being toxic :)

    • @vuton3877
      @vuton3877 10 месяцев назад

      Shot call with pings as an adc and focus on playing around support don’t micro manage them if they’re bad just farm don’t perform around them and be consistent every game and try to learn

  • @simplydilyn88
    @simplydilyn88 Год назад

    scufbaus

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      Baus = budgettest, facts?

  • @deadvesu
    @deadvesu 10 месяцев назад

    can you make your videos a bit louder i cannot hear anything ur saying im at 100 % volume 100% video volume

  • @lindadouglas9734
    @lindadouglas9734 Год назад

    🤘 Promo`SM

  • @yareyaredaz3522
    @yareyaredaz3522 11 месяцев назад

    for the LOVE OF GOD show this to my adcs i cant gank themm they always botch their waves always in the wrong spot. They are DIAMOND FFS

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      Save the link and spread the word homie

  • @betivanul01
    @betivanul01 Год назад

    bro , everything u said in this video is useless cause everytime the enemy support stays on me all laning phase and i can not move as adc

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  Год назад

      If u genuinely believe everything I said was useless, maybe it's ur perspective that is lacking

  • @br3ak_
    @br3ak_ 10 месяцев назад

    Hmm, the problem with this video is that you only explained the concepts of slowpushing, freezing, and shoving, but you just went over the surface and didn't cover WHEN you should do which, what triggers each scenario (no, saying you can freeze when behind or ahead is not explaining when you should freeze), what steps you should take towards triggering the wave events that make it possible to do each, how exactly to do each, going into minute details about waves and wave states, counting minions, understanding in super detail how slowpushing and freezing happen. Very dissapointing, you "threatened" us with a lot of info, every step of the video, but ended up just scratching the surface, as if it's simply an ad for the "next" thing, like a paywall before coaching or something.
    This is not a wave management guide, it's a wave management vocabulary.

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  10 месяцев назад

      U have great information there man, cant wait for ur video

  • @alijestnafali8662
    @alijestnafali8662 10 месяцев назад

    i hope ur not gonna be pdf like cookielol

  • @Celodrix
    @Celodrix Год назад

    It's just a game... I don't want to feel as in school , lol.

    • @theali8oras274
      @theali8oras274 11 месяцев назад

      lmao , school could be good

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад +1

      Seems like a lot of people enjoyed this so teacher Emtest is here to stay 😎

  • @zizeeo
    @zizeeo 11 месяцев назад

    Bro you need to clean your room

    • @EmtestLoL
      @EmtestLoL  11 месяцев назад

      Lmao look the date on the vid give me a BREAK bro