Settling the NBA GOAT Debate 🐐
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Attempting the impossible - trying to settle the Michael Jordan vs LeBron James debate for who is the greatest basketball player of all time.
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Dude I love that Gatorade in the background slowly emptying from the beginning to the beginning of the video. Did anyone else notice this?
This is an awesome video. Love the full length videos of debates. Your opinion is very valid
I like So every time you made an argument the video directly counted it and that’s why you skipped it out of your video😂😂😂😂
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I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this video was truly awesome
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@@AndrewFenichel the eye test obviously goes to Jordan 🤣🤣
You’re right it’s always gonna be a debate but I’m going with Jordan😂
Jordan
Another long vid, can’t wait to watch!!
I'd like to see more full length videos, also as a cool video idea can you grade fantasy teams?
Yessss bro
Yeah 100% love that idea. Esp fantasy football teams. If you tweet me your team or DM on IG I’ll grade it
@@AndrewFenichel damn i used nfl fantasy, that still ok?
@@lk2704 yeah ofc. I actually used to work for NFL fantasy
@@AndrewFenichel awesome, what did you do there?
Jordan is the goat quit playin
no he not
ruclips.net/video/AoeTN2-q7I4/видео.html
shity era mj Played in
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Jordan’s the goat bruh
These people need to stop cappin
@@TNSGSC so true, people need to stop using their recency bias. I wasn't even old enough to grow up watching MJ play and I still think he's the GOAT and you cannot convince me otherwise.
Jordan going to casinos at late hours, smoked cigars, played 36 holes of golf and wild still go out and drop 30 or 40 on a given night
Lebron could of done done the same thing and jordan could of made the goat pick easy if he just cared about his body mors his era was more physical and could push his defenders lebrons not aloud to
Just saying
lenrons better off and on the court
16:36-16:45 got me crackin up!🤣
Man skips the entire statistics section when that section goes so in depth.
This video is a perfect example of someone who refuses to see the other side lol. So many double standards. You can't preach about context then "forget" or just straight up omit the truth. In fact there were many instances of not just excluding context but ignorantly or maliciously changing the perspective to fit the narrative. And yes I'm talking about Andrew
He thinks bron is better , get over it , there is no consensus on this, it's all opinionated, just because his thinking isn't same as yours doesn't mean he is wrong
@@AmanSingh-bt1rx He's a clown. Jordan is the consensus GOAT, Lebron isn't. That's a fact, not an opinion.
@@AmanSingh-bt1rx but what about the facts
@@AmanSingh-bt1rx and so if I win 5 chess games and you win only 1 and it’s a fair game why would someone say your better in there opnion you still gotta include facts
Lebron is the goat no debate you are a casual lebron is a better scorer rebounder playmaker and team leader. Jordan is a washed old man that couldn't get past the first round without pippin. Lebron had to carry his teams. Jordan had players that carried him. Lebron also played in a harder area and harder finals opponents. Jordan played against plumbers in the 90s you are a casual for real. Lebron is the goat
You skipped the part where they talked about advanced statistical like per
Exactly, that's the biggest argument too lol
tbh, if it really comes down to what matters the most to anyone, you could make a debate about kobe being the best.
The only way we’ll ever know is if they where both in their prime and in the same era
You brought up a lot of great points and counter arguments. LeBron is my favorite player, but I think Jordan is the GOAT currently. However, I think that LeBron can become the GOAT once his career is finished.
Not if he keeps missing playoffs
I think his longevity might end up hurting him though because if he’s played 20 seasons with only four rings when he’s played with superteams for over half of his career that might drop him to four or five on the all-time list. Because at this point it just seems like he’s trying to compile stats to try and make people believe that is the goat when he’s really not.
The best version of Jordan is better than the best version of LeBron that’s all it really comes down to
How? LeChoke loses more than he wins. is he gonna fix that? LOLLLL don't think it's possible
@@andremcclendon1220 really true
There is literally a shirt that says he woke up at445 at night
“Already I hate this graphic” cause you know your wrong 😂
because its innacurate
@@simeon8967 it was fully accurate
Banger of a video my guy 🙏🙏 I disagree with LeBron as goat 🐐 but we’ll never know
Also I am very appreciative of all your videos they definitely increase my NBA knowledge
Jordan played 80+ games for 11/15 seasons, if that is not durability than idk what is
Stupid facts💯💯💯
this isnt the goat debate then its the boat debate
It’s also funny how there was nothing abt mentality mentioned
7:05 mans is speaking straight fax
It not a bad thing but it is a negative when compared to Jordan who never faltered in the finals
Well it's supported by the argument that Bron's Eastern conference was really easy
Jordan 100% if I offend anyone I am sorry that’s my opinion
nah your right im a diehard lebron fan but i agree jordan is the goat but this guy WHO MADE THIS VIDEO not the guy reacting the dude made the video was so cringe look at what clips he used hes clearly biased
@@bangeyboi2143 respect!!
you offended 100% of Bronsexuals.
@@kingtrawal clown the only person offended is your MAMA who sucks peens
Good vid. I'm going with the original 23 tho.
You don't see the passing videos because the video would become too long.
Yo good vid
You should watch Jxmy Highroller’s video
Lerbon fans have every excuses even when the proof is in they face 🤣💯
My favorite player of all time is Larry Bird I think if he didn’t have the back injury he would be in the goat conversation.
Honestly I respect this take. Talk about a player with no weaknesses - that’s Larry Bird
@@AndrewFenichel defense???
@@owensaunders3354 3X all defensive team that’s good
@@masongeo9857 dayumn didnt think he was that good of a defender! learn something new every day huh
@@owensaunders3354 He's a very good defender, who had quick hands, he could really do it all!
Hold up, in players that would be better today than the era they played in, would about Alex English?
Kareem needs to be brought up in the goat debate so much more
No, no he doesn't mj and bron r simply more accomplished and if the RUclipsr who made the vid did a new video with bron and kareem or mj and kareem kareem would be blown out the water
@@bomain1888 bro what Kareem has more mvps, all stars and points than MJ and lebron, plus more championships then Lebron, with the same amount of finals appearances
@@papakeegs3405 yes that's only due to his longevity and anyways bron is about to pass kareem in all time points scored and kareem played in a much less competitive era than mj or bron
@@bomain1888 how tf does mvps have to do with longevity, Lebrons only argument over MJ is longevity, and to bring up eras is stupid, Kareem’s era arguably was the best for the center position
@@papakeegs3405 no don't be stupid, the better your longevity is the more points, all stars and yes mvps you will gain, and kareem dominated his era but his era was worse in talent compared to the 90's or 00's or 10's just take a look at the nba 75 list
Mj is the goat
i meannn, u just skipped half of the video of the guy explaining these "controversial" points
Btw you should have reacted to Jimmyhighroller’s video like very recent ago
Yeah ikr. I wish I picked a less biased video lol
Who you guys got: LeBron or MJ?
Mj and this is coming from a pistons fan
Lebron! The most complete basketball player of all time
Gotta be Lebron
Lebron
Mj
Bro Andrew is kinda given this guy a bit to much hate when he makes a bit of an off take when he does it to sometimes
He’s criticizing the video.. that’s what he’s supposed to do
@@TextingNation and we criticizing him, that's what we supposed to Dom especially when he skipped the stats section when he brings up advanced stats.
Les go, MJ the goat
Lol you can’t argue with this
I was very frustrated with lebron losing many championship especially to the Dallas is 2011......that didn't feel good
Only one that was his fault was 2011 everytime it was his teammates
Basketball is team game. I get why you were disappointed with the loss to Dallas cause frankly the teams were evenly matched and lebron just needed to show up. For the rest lebron didn’t have the team to win, and had to put up 40ppg for those series to probably even have a chance to win
I also would’ve liked for him to show some key advanced stats to like career average PER, win shares, true shooting percentage and box plus-minus
PER:
Jordan-27.9✅
LeBron-27.3❌
Win Shares per 48:
Jordan-.250✅
LeBron-.230❌
Offensive box plus minus:
Jordan-7.2✅
LeBron-7.1❌
Defensive box plus minus:
Jordan-2.0✅
LeBron-1.8❌
Overall box plus minus:
Jordan-9.2✅
LeBron-8.9❌
@@masongeo9857 Yes. I remember from Jxmyhighroller’s video when he showed those stats so yeah Jordan does have LBJ in that
@@Jorgamblerbum_ he did BUT he skipped the statistics part where he breaks it down like that lol
Wow. So blind. There is no debate.
Andrew is gay for LeCHOKE
This is what I don't understand why is LeBron better than Kobe let alone Michael? He only has 4 rings, Kobe has 5 and Jordan has 6. So do rings not matter anymore? Please someone help me understand.
Ring’s aren’t everything for example who says jr smith is better than dirk or all the others with one ring it really depends how you win them like 3 of Kobe’s rings are wher shaq has finals mvp
And when you make this argument people will bring up bill Russell who has 11 rings as the main guy. Then Jordan fans will say Russell faced plumbers and get defensive and the argument will devolve into lebron fans saying something about “Jorbum” and Jordan fans saying something around the lines of “LeChoke”.
Have you watch the last dance or any thing on how Jordan took care of his body
Because he did
90s is the hardest Era of the NBA
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Debunked trash defense old head alert
@@user-lh3sj7jm3d it was the hardest, but not the best, that would be the 2000's to early 2010's.
I'm confused why wasnt andrew a candidate??!!
Did u really just skipped the video ?
I really dont get this debate. The only factor is what do you value more, longevity or peak. Your answer pretty much gives away your goat. Ive learned to just not debate this.
You literally skipped the most compelling argument for Jordan. The stats section he goes into advanced stats. You literally just keep making excuses for lebron tho so that was funny.
yeah
Jordan still wins off advanced stats
@@bretmaverick9434 yea I know. Jordan's the 🐐
@@bretmaverick9434 advanced stats or not
@@cursin who what where
You skipped a huge portion of the stats part. Why?😂😂😂 come on man
rules changed.; no hand checking.. MJ would now be a 50 average player.
I think my would avg 145 in today's game
If you want a real debate go watch the jxmyhighroller Lebron vs Jordan video.
Just can't seem to face the truth that Jordan was and is the G.O.A.T and will continue to be
Yeah some of his arguments are just stupid like lebron could have scored more but he didn’t we aren’t being hypothetical
@@randommem3yt297 cuz when he tries to score more that takes away from other stats. He uses his energy in specific ways & best believe he would score more if he could lol who doesn’t wana get 50pts a night?!? It’s tiring & hard on the body so he can get to the rim & shoot & dribble but if he can get other teammates busy it will allow him to do that classic lebron *”time-off plays”*
93 bulls (with MJ): 57-25
94 bulls (without MJ): 55-27
94 bulls (without MJ): second round exit
95 bulls (with MJ): second round exit
10 Cavs (with Bron): 66-16
11 Cavs (without Bron): 19-63
90s bulls record without MJ: 55-27
10-14 heat record without Bron: 9-9
14-18 cavs record without Bron: 4-23
@@nenegortat51060 context
7:42 well thats because they were afraid of him
The video was kind of bogus but at the same time some of your takes are a bit off… but I see your point that it’s not stats
There's no debate at all. Jordan has more rings, more Finals MVPs, more MVPs, has a defensive player of the year award & 9 more scoring titles in WAY less playing time. All Lebron has over MJ is more stat totals, more All-Star games made & more ALL-NBA teams since he has the longevity. The real debate should be between Lebron & Magic.
The argument I hate the most is the scoring title argument.
You started well and then blew it when the most relevant section came up, by assuming it was going to talk about stats in a certain way. It's probably the most compelling part. You should probably check out a lot more Jordan games in their entirety too. The biggest difference was that Jordan was a ruthless killer and LeBron is buddies with everyone. You've probably watched all of Brons games and 20 of Jordans, I would recommend diving deeper. Just for the record I think LeBron is a freak of nature great player, but it's Jordan first and daylight second my friend ;)
Andrew it’s funny that the only minor weaknesses u said abt Michael are VERY specific scenarios that happen twice a game
Fr tho
Literally only LeChoke fangirls think that LeChoke is goat.... 99% of Earth knows MJ the Goat. Even Kareem is higher than LeChoke. dude wins only 30% of his finals. LOLLLLLLLLL And don't talk to me about Mickey Mouse Covid rings
Jordan 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
Ya made a solid arguement about the eye test and some of the others, but in the end Jordan would still win more of the categories and I think he just barley edges Lebron in it. Lebron is easily 2nd though.
Really not close when you think about it but I can agree lebron being second
MJ better at offense and defense... MJ wins more. LeChoke only better at selling out and making superteams and then still losing LOLLLLLL
Why is bill russel not in the goat debate? I don’t care if he played during the “mailman era”. He had 11 rings, 5 mvps, I forget how many finals mvps. He beat wilt in almost every time they went up against each other. So should he technically be considered in the goat conversation? Plus he played during the racism era.
He was in a team with like 5 other HOFers, he ain’t even top ten buddy
He shot like 45% from FG and wasn’t the best player on a decent amount of teams.
Hearing you complain that if Lebron wanted to, he would have won scoring titles. Works both ways. MJ if he wanted to would have been 3 pt shooter specialist. We know this because MJ started his career with the bulls running the point. The triangle offense asked MJ to develop a post up game. Which he had none before Phil Jackson strategy.
Sorry buddy, you're one of my most well-respected youtube NBA analyzer but you lost this debate at the 4:40 mark of this video of the graph. You said MJ winning 9 more Scoring Titles means nothing to Lebron's 1 because he chose not to be a scorer but an All-Round better player. If thats the case, how come MJ has more championships in less years?
Jordan on top
Dude was getting bit triggered by facts
I love how you just discredit every single pro mj clip
The Era is too far apart.. they have a whole Kobe between them.. I think It's too hard to tell. GIven I didn't watch MJ's whole career.. I didn't even watch all of Lebron early career, but someone out there watched both MJ and Lebron and has a real idea of whos better. I'd really have to have watched Michael to say.. but its funny how this is the best Era for sure. (2000's-)
Jordan
You skipped the part that Jordan played more seasons of 82 consecutive games.
Great video and reaction. Curious why the guy who made the original video did not include things like all time scoring records and other various records in the accomplishments section. Lebron is the ONLY player with like 35K points, 10k assists, 10k rebounds iirc and he'll end up with more.
Video lost me at winning by not acknowledging that it's a team sport or their respective impacts on their team winning historically. Weird giant black hole.
Lol you didnt rly said that LeBron was better defender omfg
It’s lebron
This video 💀
He’s just gay for LeCHOKE
1 ring in 11 years as a cav is not even in the goat debate it's over that quick stop it. Great Lestats tho. 20 years he should have great stats.
Lebron cannot guard 5s 🤣
About the 90s not being physical, think about shaq he got absolutely killed
who's the GOAT?No one should care!Just enjoy the beautiful and the most challenging sport in the world after martial arts,basketball.It's all about who you like,no reason to fight
Lebron doesn’t have that good passing either tho either way bron is great but jordans a little better
My personal ranking is LeBron
Accomplish: MJ because of rings and mvps
Longevity: LeBron-He’s been dominating for almost 20 years
Winning: MJ-Even though a lot of the time he had a way better team than LeBron
Stats: LeBron-In LeBron’s best season he averaged 27.1/6.9/6.3-In MJ’s best season he averaged 28.2/6.5/5.9
The “Eye Test”: LeBron: I think he has way more athleticism
bud these aren't their best season wym?
MJ's Best Season: 32.5 8 and 8 or the season when he averaged 37 ppg
Lebron: 31 7 and 6.5.
Also how can you say that LeBron was "way more athletic"? MJ was one of the most athletic players of all time. I'd say that he has the eye test since he was a global icon in the 90s. Lastly you cant say that Jordan had the way better team, he was the one who made those teams great and lebron has had great help as well.
The 96 Bulls were a top 3 team all time, and I think it’s we’ll known that 2013 LeBron was his best season
I’m not saying best statistic season, I’m saying best playing seasons and their stats from their best seasons
The eye test isn't about who's more athletic... i don't think LeBron is more athletic than MJ, in fact MJ for his size is incredibly strong (you have PF and C's grabbing him and he still makes the shot) but at the same time is incredibly graceful, nimble and quick.
The eye-test is for a normal fan... when you watch the game... who your eyes see as the best player in the court. LeBron fails the eye-test because he isn't always the best defender in the court and he often have "hiccups" especially in the older years and even slack on defense. MJ can never ever be accused of slacking on defense, especially in critical games.
MJ is always the best offensive player in the court but heck he is also considered as the best defender if not at least 2nd. Definitely amongst shooting guards in the history of the game... there are very few who can say that they're a better defender than MJ... that's why he is on multiple defensive team and even winning DPOY.
That's why the eye-test leans towards MJ, day in and day out whenever he plays.
Well who a fans eyes think is better is also up for debate. But LeBron is more athletic. He spends a million dollars a year on his strength
Should have watched JxmyHighroller’s video instead
Man I wish you were a Jordan Fan. I personally think Jordan is the GOAT but I do respect LeBron but at the same time his off the court statements and ego on the court make him not that likeable.
The thing no one understands is no shit you think Lebron is the goat everyone your age around your age is gonna say lebron is better cause your watching him play in this era but anyone over 40 that watched mj play in his career would say mj cause they watch him play in his era I noticed most people’s opinions are based on who they grew up with and who they started watching first
By the end of his career do you think Giannis will be a top ten player of all time??
Yes
I’m a big bucks fan!!
Who is your favorite player of all time??
Yes and I'm a Raptors fan
I already think he’s top 20 but he’s gotta win more championships, mvps and gotta improve his shooting to be considered anywhere near the top 10
Personally I got Jordan, I thought think he was just a better and greater player all around. I still think lebron is a great player and will retire as a top 3 player all time.
saying that lebron couldve averaged 30 a game as well if he wanted to is true but it would hurt his passing and feild goal% proof jordan once played point and averaged an easy triple double while playing there but put up only around 22 points
Nah fact check: MJ averaged 33 ppg lol he still was a dominant scorer as a PG
Mj goat
1. If Lebron had won 9-9 finals the conversation would be NON-EXISTENT. So that means the fact that Jordan DID go 6-6 has to have *A HUGE* effect on judging.
2. You can’t say *”IF…”* cuz if “IF” was a 5th I’d be drunk…The fact Is Jordan won hella scoring titles & Lebron didn’t. Even if he could have that would cut deep into his other stats. Having to space his energy out & everything changes statistically. Jordan loses in the stats that matter least. But once you get into his statistics the scoring holds more weight by FAR. Then you do DPOTY & all the other stats. You can’t say “Well, Lebron could have averaged 35pts a game” because HE DIDNT lol. It’s super easy to have this conversation nowadays. It’s becoming even
more evident now.
3. You talk about teammates. Lebron has had more HOF Teammates than Jordan. He hasn’t kept those teammates because he hasn’t been the closer of important games most of the time & the morale ends the same every time. Like, the worst teams are having to rebuild because superstars leave. Like all the time season after season. If Lebron built a Dynasty somewhere it would have been different. THATS THE ISSUE! In all honesty that’s what people are really trying to say. He doesn’t deserve as much credit because he has had seasons where he’s blown up teams & had to restart franchises because they blew it in the finals I.e Lebron not closing and then not taking full accountability and fixing it next season. I’ve never seen in any sport a guy being so damn dominant, yet all we hear is “If…” if lebron didn’t pass the ball to Ray Allen they lose another championship but “IF” Lebron didn’t choke in so many finals they would had won more. Just strengthening my argument that the word “IF” CANNOT BE USED when having a true meaningful, thought provoking & rational debate of *WHO IS THE GOAT*
So if now… *Michael Jeffery Jordan* will be the God of Basketball until someone comes around who changes the game drastically, builds a franchise around that person and wins a lot of rings W/O as many losses and gives us a sign of that *Mamba Mentality*
In my humble opinion I have a top 5 *GREATEST OF ALL TIME* List. But it’s going to be w/different positions.
*PG• Steph Curry*
*SG• Michael Jordan*
*SF• Lebron Jame*
*PF• Tim Duncan*
*C• Shaquille O’Neal*
What I’m sayin too much people using IF just accept reality
AINT NO WAY THEY STILL THINK LEBRON IN HIS PEAK
This vid was made 2 years ago. Lebron is easily goat if he can average 20ppg for at least 3 more years
The fact that he didn’t show the statistics and Jordan dominated in everything 🤷🏾♂️ numbers don’t lie I rather have a guy that has lead his team to 6 championships and could’ve gotten more if he didn’t retire twice and when you speak about longevity Lebron has played like 7 more seasons than Jordan and Jordan is still right there with him is ridiculous Jordan is the GOAT without question taking 6-0 over 4-6 any day and Jordan has never went to a game 7 in the finals either
Man says Jordan’s not good at passing but when he played point guard he averaged 10 assists and in the 91 finals averaged the most assists by a player for the last 30 years. If Jordan wanted to he would pass but he didn’t want to cause he wanted to shoot. Lebron doesn’t wanna shoot, he knows he’ll miss. Man also says that if lebron wanted to he could have 10 scoring titles. I can use that exact same logic for Jordan. If he wanted to he’d average 10 assists. We gotta stop living in fairyland and actually analyse the true statistics. Stop saying he could’ve done this and he could’ve done that.
About Defense thing Jordan is better defender he won DPOY in Big Boys Era and you think Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Olajouwon would be SCARED of LeBron NO about driving defense you literally blame that Jordan is Shorter, I would give Eye Test to both Its just diffrent playstyles MJ at his position was Shooting Guard SHOOTING ITS ABOUT SCORING SHOOTING THE BALL, LeBron at SF is like Pip versatility both on Offense and D its 3-1 for Jordan or 4-2.
“If lebron wanted to prioritize scoring he would’ve” yeah and not won 4 rings 🤣so. I’d love to debate u
Kareem is better than lebron
ok and wilt is better than michael jordan?
@@bangeyboi2143 MJ better at offense and defense... MJ wins more. LeChoke only better at selling out and making superteams and then still losing LOLLLLLL
@@kingtrawal Jorgamble got suspended for gambling LMAOOOOOO jorgambles gm skills got him kwame brown LMAOOOO westbrook > kwame brown
Jorgamble is a clown off the court with his son kobrick what an inspiration kobrick lost to a helicopter jorgamble is so inspirational telling his sons to commit suicide
jorgamble lost 500 million bucks from nike during covid LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
leking gonna get a higher net worth than son of a btch jorgamble WHO CARES IF HES THE GOAT ON COURT hes a black nigga
Mj the goat
Jordan is the goat