I Created the Flawless Top 10 NBA Players Ever List

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  • @boozeman4749
    @boozeman4749 11 месяцев назад +82

    Tim Duncan not having an A+ on team success is wild to me. That MF has won over 50 games every season. Not including lock outs. And doesn't he have like a 75% win rate or am i just crazy?

    • @michaeltrenier
      @michaeltrenier 11 месяцев назад +1

      AGREED

    • @exgeeinteractive
      @exgeeinteractive 11 месяцев назад +5

      5-1 in the Finals, definitely an A. There were many times were Lakeshow showed SA how it's done, and they were the favorites.
      A+ is a bit a of stretch. Even MJ was dragged down by his early playoff exits.

    • @JoeBuck-uc3bl
      @JoeBuck-uc3bl 8 месяцев назад

      I’ll lock his ass down with Kevin Garnett.

    • @ahankumar555
      @ahankumar555 7 месяцев назад

      I think he only put the best in each category as A+, and 11 is more than double of 5

    • @HappyKamote
      @HappyKamote 6 месяцев назад

      Ykb that caught my attention too

  • @mariosuarez3411
    @mariosuarez3411 11 месяцев назад +46

    Good video, good analysis...and great footage from the 60's. I'd never seen Russell block a Chamberlain fadeaway. That was pretty awesome to see.

  • @TongueOut23
    @TongueOut23 8 месяцев назад +13

    I once did a similar exercise and came up with this:
    Player Tier TOTAL
    Michael Jordan 1 123,17
    LeBron James 2 111,00
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 2 110,15
    Tim Duncan 3 104,23
    Larry Bird 4 95,34
    Bill Russell 4 94,42
    Wilt Chamberlain 4 93,62
    Kobe Bryant 5 91,49
    Magic Johnson 5 90,55
    Shaquille O'Neal 6 86,03
    ...one day will hopefully find the time to fine tune it :)

  • @Tnbeta-er5gm
    @Tnbeta-er5gm 11 месяцев назад +41

    The thing I find odd is when people rate Wilt lower than Kareem yet Kareem has stated that Wilt would have destroyed him in his prime and Wilt is the only player to ever block Kareem’s sky hook which reminder is 10 feet 11 feet in his release point for his hands and there could be some other players who could do it besides him like Victor Wembanyama Mark Eaton Manute bol Ralph Samson Hakeem Olajuwon Dikembe Mutumbo and multiple other players probably and Wilt at best could reach 13 feet high into the air but no list is perfect

    • @-caspo-
      @-caspo- 11 месяцев назад +8

      I would guess that the reason is that he is ranking the greatest players of all time, not the best players of all time.

    • @jodonthesith7172
      @jodonthesith7172 11 месяцев назад +11

      Yeah”greater players” and “better players” aren’t ever classified as the same thing. Wilt can be more skilled but Kareem has achieved ten times more so there’s really no argument for him over Kareem

    • @hakeemolajuwon4352
      @hakeemolajuwon4352 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@jodonthesith7172 SMH what about the fact that Kareem won literally nothing without Oscar or Magic? Does actual NBA history not matter to you, or do you just love to look up a players Wikipedia and make up your own story?

    • @calebadamu
      @calebadamu 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@hakeemolajuwon4352 kareem won 3 consecutive championships in college before the nba too, nice try though

    • @calebadamu
      @calebadamu 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@hakeemolajuwon4352 he legit has the most NCAA MVP's and most NBA MVP's, you can't discredit that

  • @randallsmith5902
    @randallsmith5902 11 месяцев назад +15

    Awesome work on a "fair and reasonable" list. It's virtually impossible to get people to be rational when arguing top 10 NBA players. We all have our personal preferences on the top 10. Again, I think this is a very solid listing of Greats. Thanks!

    • @blowc1612
      @blowc1612 2 месяца назад

      This is horrible list one of the worst

  • @ozzyjimenez9017
    @ozzyjimenez9017 11 месяцев назад +12

    This is probably my favorite top 10 list I’ve seen in a while. I’m a big Kobe and Shaq fan, but I can live with their placements.

  • @cial67
    @cial67 5 месяцев назад +31

    Kobe last in advanced stats, but first in delusional nostalgia

    • @jdrmanmusiqking
      @jdrmanmusiqking 4 месяца назад +7

      You clearly dont know hoops

    • @Ariandye_Productions
      @Ariandye_Productions 4 месяца назад +2

      @@jdrmanmusiqking its true

    • @goosnavslakovic4908
      @goosnavslakovic4908 3 месяца назад +4

      By that logic, bron first in meat riding. Spread the hate if you get off to it so much

    • @d3adyoutubeaccount
      @d3adyoutubeaccount 3 месяца назад +2

      Does Delusional nostalgia include 15 all NBA, 11 first team, 12 all defense, 9 first team and being better than pretty much any player u can name in his prime

    • @matthewheuel2508
      @matthewheuel2508 2 месяца назад

      4th in resume.

  • @jacobzarkin5174
    @jacobzarkin5174 10 месяцев назад +3

    My list is
    1.Jordan
    2.Lebron
    3.Kareem
    4.Kobe
    5.Hakeem
    6.Steph
    7.Shaq
    8.Bird
    9.Magic
    10.Duncan
    Argue with me in the comments

    • @jcb4826
      @jcb4826 10 месяцев назад +2

      1- His royal airness
      2- Lebron
      3- Kareem
      4- Chamberlain
      5- Magic
      6- Kobe
      7- Curry
      8- Duncan
      9- Bird
      10- Hakeem
      And 1 - Shaq
      I get no Chamberlain, he kinda hits different to different people but my main concern is, why is Magic so low? Switch magic and Hakeem and I'm good with it.

    • @JoiRandom
      @JoiRandom 9 месяцев назад +1

      1 Jordan
      2 Kareem
      3 Wilt
      4 Kobe
      5 Magic
      6 Bird
      7 Curry
      8 Lebron
      9 K Malone
      10 Shaq

    • @Cristian-vm1bg
      @Cristian-vm1bg 22 дня назад +1

      ⁠@@JoiRandomno duncan 😂 joke list. Malone over tim? Obvious spurs hater

  • @drewmeyer9679
    @drewmeyer9679 11 месяцев назад +16

    My only thing about the list is Kobe did win with Shaq, but Magic won all 5 with Kareem and Duncan has always had HOF help throughout his career and Pop.

    • @ColeM.-en5gq
      @ColeM.-en5gq 11 месяцев назад +2

      Duncan didn't have hof help during his 2nd chip run.

    • @calebadamu
      @calebadamu 11 месяцев назад +3

      im a huge kobe fan but 3/5 of magic's chips with kareem he was the best player, 0/3 of kobe's chips with shaq he was the best player

    • @davis2k1234
      @davis2k1234 11 месяцев назад +1

      ⁠@@calebadamuSo was Iggy the best player on the 2015 Warriors? Because Magic won a FMVP when Kareem won MVP of the NBA and was avg 33PPG 14Rebs 4 blocks in the Finals in 1980

    • @davis2k1234
      @davis2k1234 10 месяцев назад +1

      @TB-4 Kobe was better then Shaq the last 2 seasons the team just wasn’t as good either was Shaq he fell off but rejuvenated himself in Miami and happily deferred to Dwade if he would have done that w Kobe they would have kept winning but he was out of shape coasting and his ego wouldn’t let him co exist w Kobe

    • @davis2k1234
      @davis2k1234 10 месяцев назад

      @TB-4 Kobe and Shaq were going since 2000-2001 they never got along off the court and fought in practice long before the “snitch” incident which Kobe was just young and dumb he did t know police gonna leak the audio to press

  • @mclarenceweiss
    @mclarenceweiss Месяц назад +1

    The real flawless list no bs no overrated rings
    1 - LeBron James
    2 - Michael Jordan
    3-4 Shaq and KD
    5-6 Kobe and Curry
    7 -8 Olajuwon and Kareem
    9 -10 Jokic and Duncan
    11-12 Magic and Doncic
    13 -14 Bird and Giannis
    15 - Victor Wembanyama ( floor prediction)
    - means tie
    The real top 10 +5 bonus nba players of all time

  • @ironangel667
    @ironangel667 11 месяцев назад +15

    I'm not gonna bust your balls because that IS an extremely difficult list to due to the shear number of amazing players. Shout out to Julius Erving, Jerry West, Walt Frazier, Elven Hayes, Isaiah Thomas, and Moses Malone.

    • @paulzollinger6343
      @paulzollinger6343 11 месяцев назад +1

      I even forgot about Moses for a minute, who I think is better than 6 guys on this list. Really tough to pick...

    • @hepwo91222
      @hepwo91222 11 месяцев назад +4

      Karl Malone was pretty good too.

    • @JansMarinara
      @JansMarinara 10 месяцев назад +5

      Julius Irving had a lot of success in the ABA that if counted would put him a lot higher on most people's lists I think.

    • @uncomfortabletruth2988
      @uncomfortabletruth2988 10 месяцев назад

      @@paulzollinger6343 I've Moses around 12 or 13 he showed Hakeem and Barkley how to be pros and dominated in the 70s and 80s. He's highly underrated.

    • @uncomfortabletruth2988
      @uncomfortabletruth2988 10 месяцев назад

      @@JansMarinara You have to combine both of those stats because he played in both and won in both as well.

  • @TellenJones
    @TellenJones 11 месяцев назад +54

    I'd take Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq and Olajuwon any day over Lebron. Jordan used 1 window to win 6 rings. Kareem 1.3 window for 6 (.3 for Oscar). Magic 1 window for 5. Kobe 2 windows for 5. Duncan 1.3 window for 5 (.3 for DRob). Shaq 2 windows for 4. Bird 1 window for 3. Olajuwon 1 window for 2. Lebron OTOH used 3 windows to produce only 4. No one else having this much help produced so little. If you replace Lebron with any of the guys I listed, that Miami Heats team woulda 4-peated.

    • @crosswiz6
      @crosswiz6 11 месяцев назад +19

      That's what I keep saying 🤷🏽‍♂️ he would be 2-8 without that Ray Allen and Kyrie shot. But even at 4-6, everyone in the top 10 has a winning record over him. They won more than him, in less time, with MUCH LESS help, and without team hopping around making superteams. Its not all just stats..winning matters its the goal of the game. Lebron is top 5 AT BEST, but realistically he shouldn't even be in the top 5 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @jit1709
      @jit1709 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@crosswiz6 shouldnt even be top 10

    • @crosswiz6
      @crosswiz6 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@jit1709 Maybe, but I honestly believe he's not top 5. Way too much losing for all the help he's had taking massive shorcuts

    • @AbiV31
      @AbiV31 11 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@jit1709whats your top 10? I'm curious. Cuz I got Lbj around 7 out of 10

    • @jit1709
      @jit1709 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@AbiV31 no order 10 i got higher than him all time mj kobe kareem magic bird duncan shaq bill wilt hakeem all these did more with less time less help and didn’t get meaningless superteam championships they whole career hes top 13-20 in my eyes kd/bron is more of a debate because theyre the same in my eyes one is just older career literally the same first years on a contending team that they built up but after years of failure they give up both creating superteams and stacking odds in their favors but the difference is with kd he didnt have a meltdown like 2011 once he had a superteam bron did thats why i got kd higher and why i don’t have bron top 15 and after that he had to be saved by tm8s like allen and kyrie in big moments where he shouldve stepped up but he watched good tm8s save him that’s why hell never be top 10 in my eyes the other 10 arent scared of the moment bron is that’s why hell never be top 10

  • @legendaryabeast7207
    @legendaryabeast7207 11 месяцев назад +18

    Moses Malone, Dr J, and Jerry West rank higher than KD and Oscar Robertson imo

    • @krimezone
      @krimezone 11 месяцев назад +3

      KD simply shouldn't be there

    • @dionysise5008
      @dionysise5008 10 месяцев назад

      True

    • @BigBrownGaga
      @BigBrownGaga 6 месяцев назад

      Gtfoh dude🤣 KD is a top 3 talent that’s ever picked up a basketball

    • @alexanderhenry9133
      @alexanderhenry9133 3 месяца назад

      Jerry West was 1-8 in the NBA finals or something like that and never won a league MVP. KD legitimately has a better basketball resume, more championships, more Finals MVPs, more MVPs, more scoring titles, similar numbers of all-star and all-NBA selections, Jerry West has an assist title and a few all-defensive selections which Durant doesn't have. No disrespect to Jerry West the man is a legend, much more so than KD, but in an objective sense KD had a more successful career.

    • @Stopitgetsomehelp3012
      @Stopitgetsomehelp3012 3 месяца назад

      ​@alexanderhenry9133 Jerry West had a mediocre team for the majority of his career. He averaged 40+ on multiple playoff and final series only to lose most of them. Kevin Durant is a "better" player skill wise but he traded to an already OP team, where the offence became completely catered to him, and won most of his accolades there in a 3 year run. He had better opportunities and better teammates than Jerry West ever had.

  • @tpsam
    @tpsam 11 месяцев назад +85

    Your top 14 selection is kinda disrespectful to Moses Malone

    • @pattrell5257
      @pattrell5257 11 месяцев назад +12

      He's top 10 even if Bird isn't! Dude's better than Duncan...
      1. Jordan
      2. Jubbar
      3. Chamberlain
      4. Robertson(came close to having 3 straight high scoring(28.8 and above) triple-double seasons for the reg season and playoffs; he did get one and that's impressive...)
      5. Russell(I feel Russell would be like Rodman in rebounding and multiple position defense--only taller. I'd trust him on anybody but point guard).
      6. M. Malone
      7. Olajuwon
      8. Bryant
      9. Duncan
      10. West
      11. O'neal
      12. Bird
      13. James
      14. Garnett
      15. Baylor
      16. Wade
      17. Curry
      18. Durant
      19. Nowitzki
      20. Johnson
      21. Robinson
      22. Hayes
      23. McAdoo
      24. Ewing
      25. Thomas(Baby Jordan pre-94--if Jordan was a PG. The baby is signifying that he wasn't as good, but very similar offensively if Jordan lacked hops).
      26. Frazier
      27. Stockton(could do EVERYTHING that is normally expected in a PG; not as flashy as some, but got the job done).

    • @vulture27fm
      @vulture27fm 11 месяцев назад +5

      For sure. Moses over KD is an easy inclusion.

    • @Damphouse
      @Damphouse 11 месяцев назад +42

      ⁠​⁠@@pattrell5257you have Lebron at 13?? 💀

    • @pattrell5257
      @pattrell5257 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@Damphouse Yep, he's not all that! His jumper is not money; he is a lot like a mix between Pippen(IF SCOTTIE PLAYED TODAY) and Rodman(MULTI-POSITION DEFENSE). He's better overall than Prince, Pippen, B. Wallace, Artest, Rodman, and those types. However, that does not necessarily get you in the top 10, because they do not even make this list! But, I did omit Garnett. I don't know how I left him off; he is somewhere on this list even if Pistol Pete comes off...

    • @Damphouse
      @Damphouse 11 месяцев назад +25

      @@pattrell5257lmao wow

  • @ironangel667
    @ironangel667 11 месяцев назад +20

    I think it deserves mention that Hakeem is the only player on that list that had no help.

    • @krimezone
      @krimezone 11 месяцев назад +4

      He is in my undisputed top 5. LeBron is not in my top 10
      Skip the Jordan debate but if I choose say Bird or Magic or Kareem they can't tell me how Lebron is better than them individually prime for prime

    • @ColeM.-en5gq
      @ColeM.-en5gq 11 месяцев назад

      @@krimezone probably because it's not just about prime or peak but about the entirety of one's career.

    • @Nuthinnull
      @Nuthinnull 11 месяцев назад +3

      Drexler?

    • @serhatgorgulu4903
      @serhatgorgulu4903 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@krimezone im not even that big of a bron fan (i mean i like him but i am no fan) and i also think the goat debate is completely one sided in favor of Jordan, but damn not even top 10 is crazy hahaha. easily a top 3 player all time, and if you want to find a case for him to be lower top 5 but not even top 10 is surreal lmao

    • @serhatgorgulu4903
      @serhatgorgulu4903 10 месяцев назад

      ok i don't know about the pre 1980 oldheads much but i think during his prime wilt had not much help but Kobe Bryant in his prime had no help at all (after shaq left, but he gets almost no credits for these championships anyways) he had the by far worst team anyone from this list ever had in 2004-2007 and even after gasol joined his team would be below average and not even make it to the tough western conference playoffs, but Kobe almost three peated with them

  • @garretttoepp4399
    @garretttoepp4399 9 месяцев назад +2

    How is magic Johnson and Larry bird not the same on legacy??? They share the 80’s you can’t talk about either without the other..

  • @crosswiz6
    @crosswiz6 11 месяцев назад +21

    You gave the politically correct answer with Lebron at 2. But realistically, Lebron is the only one out of the top 10 with a losing record, and only one to team hop around making superteams. Without that Kyrie and Ray Allen shot Lebron is 2-8. Others won more, in less time, with less help, and without constantly switching teams to team up with different all stars.

    • @shade0180
      @shade0180 11 месяцев назад +4

      He also rated Kareem too high when he punished Kobe and Curry for having a better 1st Option. Remember 3 ~4 of Kareem chip's he is a 2nd option. Lebron should really drop down 2 or 3 ranks on the list. Kareem should drop down too if we use that same case with Kobe and curry.

    • @crosswiz6
      @crosswiz6 11 месяцев назад +9

      @@shade0180 Yup agree, and honestly Lebron shouldn't even be top 5 considering all the losing and team hopping around he's done. He's had the most time to win, and BY FAR the most help and has won the least 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @ColeM.-en5gq
      @ColeM.-en5gq 11 месяцев назад

      Wilt?

    • @michaelmaccrazy
      @michaelmaccrazy 11 месяцев назад

      @@shade0180 It took Kobe 13 years to finally win a ring as the undisputed #1 option. It took everyone else less time than that.

    • @shade0180
      @shade0180 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@michaelmaccrazy I never said Kobe need to move up. I said if Kobe is being punished for being a number 2 Kareem should be too.

  • @georgeaustiniv2456
    @georgeaustiniv2456 2 месяца назад +2

    The only thing about Duncan is on last runs in the finals, he wasn’t the best player. That was arguably Tony Parker.

  • @anthonygoogle2168
    @anthonygoogle2168 11 месяцев назад +14

    You talk about team loyalty and staying with the team that drafted you, yet, unless i missed it, there were no negatives associated with James's career team hopping. Also another important statistic you didn't factor in, that NOBODY talks about, is turnovers! Throwing the ball away or flubbing a major possession has tremendous consequences on winning and legacy. Mr. "I always make the right play" LeBron is one of the worst ever per possession. Check the stats

    • @arkadiuszrogala1359
      @arkadiuszrogala1359 10 месяцев назад +1

      He said leaving unless your team wasn’t competitive, and why do you think he had his legacy below an A?

    • @MakaveliTv35
      @MakaveliTv35 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@arkadiuszrogala1359cuz he just wants to shit on lebron bro wasn’t paying attention to the video he just wanted to complain somehow about bron

    • @showtime2182
      @showtime2182 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@MakaveliTv35 the heat was not a losing team ahsn james left.

    • @MakaveliTv35
      @MakaveliTv35 10 месяцев назад

      @@showtime2182 what does that have to do with what I said stupid

    • @philbusiness52
      @philbusiness52 8 месяцев назад

      Yep. The letter grade score of like 3 different categories for lebron should be “F”

  • @JaeBee1718
    @JaeBee1718 11 месяцев назад +9

    The problem with this list and almost all videos and lists like this is that it does NOT take into consideration the level of competition.
    Kobe played in literally the most defensive, slow-paced and hardest competition in nba HISTORY.
    Not including other factors that's too much too type.

    • @Jajsnsjsn
      @Jajsnsjsn 10 месяцев назад +2

      Lebron played in the same era

    • @lookatcodyman654
      @lookatcodyman654 10 месяцев назад +1

      Like half of these players did 😂😂

    • @crystalizedExposed
      @crystalizedExposed 10 месяцев назад +1

      mjs end of his career was in that era too, lebron averaged 31 in that era, shaq and duncan were there. kobes not the only person that played in the 00's.

    • @JaeBee1718
      @JaeBee1718 10 месяцев назад +2

      Cleanly yall guys are short term thinkers. Yall read to rebuttal and not understand and with that yall can't see context
      * no disrespect*
      It's simple, Kobe's whole career was that.
      Lebron's time, he only played just a portion of his career in that era. The game drastically changed and got easier to score.
      "Half the players did" don't mean shit.
      Honestly Duncan is right up there with Kobe.
      In fact Duncan > >> Shaq. I'll take Duncan's career in it's entirety over Shaq's.
      Also the "Jordan did also" nonsense.....
      It was during Kobe's whole career, never mind. I'm not typing all this out.

    • @JT-km6th
      @JT-km6th 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@Jajsnsjsnand he never won, his fg% was way lower, his scoring was lower etc. do you get it? LeBron also played half his career in a much faster era with more spacing.

  • @snehpatel8213
    @snehpatel8213 20 дней назад +1

    Tim Duncan is way too high, Kobe is too high, KD and Hakeem are a tad too low imo.

  • @michaelacevedo9404
    @michaelacevedo9404 10 месяцев назад +8

    Pretty good list. Only thing I would personally change is LeBron grade for eye test. Free throw shooting horrible, below average 3 point shooter in a Era where 3's are common and huge, and the inconsistent defense. Call it resting on defense or lazy doesn't matter still inconsistent.

    • @JuggaloSupreme
      @JuggaloSupreme 10 месяцев назад +3

      And FLOPPING all over the floor😂

    • @mustafamete6567
      @mustafamete6567 10 месяцев назад +3

      Ahahahah what a hater. When their in 21st seasons, what they did do? lol

    • @domudeh3691
      @domudeh3691 8 месяцев назад

      Your dumb

    • @Xenon-h9z
      @Xenon-h9z 7 месяцев назад

      Agreed... he's A- eye test material, not a solid A... possibly B+ if you include his flopping.

    • @michaelacevedo9404
      @michaelacevedo9404 7 месяцев назад

      @@Xenon-h9z definitely agree B+

  • @LJMadrigalMusic
    @LJMadrigalMusic 10 месяцев назад +3

    I would say players who thrived in the dead ball era are the most affected in all of these discussions. This is why metrics shouldn't been the main weapon to use when discussing sports.

    • @antonioiniguez1615
      @antonioiniguez1615 3 месяца назад +1

      You could just simply Mathematically adjust the stats to take era into account.

    • @LJMadrigalMusic
      @LJMadrigalMusic 3 месяца назад

      @antonioiniguez1615 that already happened, but modern era fans are crying about how "overblown" the numbers get.

  • @murphydaquan
    @murphydaquan 11 месяцев назад +1

    It's Jordan. We know the Truth.

  • @JamesSmith-qr7be
    @JamesSmith-qr7be 3 месяца назад +2

    Lebron gets a lack of respect because of the push of his Goat case when in reality its MJ all day long and the lack of respect is because thats obvious.
    Lebron would command much more respect from people if that narative changed to why he is number 2.

  • @Legitsky
    @Legitsky 11 месяцев назад +4

    Making a “flawless” top 10 NBA player list is a big claim. But I watched the video twice and I take no issue with the way you constructed your list and the way you used data to support the order of players. My own personal list doesn’t look too different to yours. Intangible variables like a player’s impact and legacy can be tough to measure. But if we have to use the five major stat categories, advanced stats and awards like FMVPs, DPOYs, all defensive selections, etc it becomes difficult to accurately compare older players like Wilt and Bill to more modern players. So for that reason (amongst a few other reasons) I don’t have either of them in my top 10. Well made video my man. I hope to see more in the future. My personal, subjective top 10(ish) list:
    1. Jordan
    2. LeBron
    3. Kareem
    4. Magic
    5. Bird
    6. Kobe
    7. Duncan
    8. Shaq
    9. Curry
    10. Hakeem
    11. Bill
    12. Wilt
    13. Moses
    14. KD
    15. Oscar

    • @jasonlommen4769
      @jasonlommen4769 10 месяцев назад

      Wilt #12 and no Jerry West. WTF are you smoking dude. Your list is trash. Curry #9 😂

  • @ejkboxing
    @ejkboxing 11 месяцев назад +3

    You totally overlooked & disrespected Moses Malone (2x MVP, finals MVP numerous all defense & rebounding titles & dominated all centers he played against), just like everyone else. His main comp is Olajuwon. Baylor & McAdoo deserve some love too. Their career accomplishment & accolades are right there with the bottom ten guys.

    • @beebee-ip8kc
      @beebee-ip8kc 11 месяцев назад

      3x MVP!!! That was crazy!! KD?!?!?!

  • @soramirez5473
    @soramirez5473 11 месяцев назад +21

    Jordan and Bird are my top two.. Bird is the most complete player in hISTORY. his stats say so. ONLY player to average atleast 24 points, 10 rebounds and 6 assists for his CAREER. he also has mutliple 50/40/90 seasons and multiple defensive team selections, and mutliple times leading the league in defenive winshares.. Only player im picking ahead of him is Jordan. and thats a MAYBE.

    • @awesomereviews1561
      @awesomereviews1561 11 месяцев назад +2

      The thing with Bird is that’s his career got cut short by injury so obviously MJ is the to pick ( and MJ missed almost 3 years of his prime.) Bird’s peak was insane but his career is a “what if”. And “what if” don’t cut it for this kind of debate.

    • @soramirez5473
      @soramirez5473 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@awesomereviews1561 what ifs? he got 3 rings playing against the SHOW TIME LAKERS.. 3 MVPS in a row. he dominated the 80s. Jordan dominated the 90s but not the 80s. Bird was a winner since day 1. Nobody cares about YOUR opinion. He got the accolades and the stats.

    • @soramirez5473
      @soramirez5473 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@awesomereviews1561 bird 3 rings in 13 seasons. Lebron 4 rings in 21 seasons. WHAT if Lebron DIDNT load manage? What if Lebron DIDNT airball free throws. .. What if MJ TRUSTED his teamates early on? What if Wilt won MORE?. Yea I dont deal with what ifs either.. Thats why my opinion is based on STATS AND ACCOLADES. so its more a FACT. YOURS IS AN OPINION.. AND A POOR ONE.

    • @soramirez5473
      @soramirez5473 11 месяцев назад +2

      MJ couldnt beat bird. MJ couldnt win in the 80s. MJ NEEDED Pippen to win apparently. MJ DOESNT have the OVERALL NUMBERS that Bird has.

    • @soramirez5473
      @soramirez5473 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@awesomereviews1561 actually now that I think about it, yea I would pick BIRD first THEN mike. I prefer a player that can BOTH score when I need it BUT ALSO elevate his teammates to better play.

  • @elliota.1063
    @elliota.1063 3 месяца назад +1

    Great vid, thx.
    One small thing, at 10:15, you spelled unforgettable wrong, twice. Kudos though, seems like the vid took a lot of research and effort.

  • @jamesguglielmucci2001
    @jamesguglielmucci2001 11 месяцев назад +25

    Great Top 10 All-Time list, but Kareem has 6 Championships, not 5.

    • @ricdees3495
      @ricdees3495 5 месяцев назад +2

      Yeap 5 with the Lakers and 1 with the Bucks.

  • @manichohan319
    @manichohan319 5 месяцев назад +2

    Olajuwan underated af, i dont see anyone winning a title with a subpar cast. Let alone go back to back.

  • @konmikro21
    @konmikro21 9 месяцев назад +1

    I think you forgot isaiah Thomas the second best pg of all time after magic, I know many hate him, I'm not a big fan of him either but it is what it is, truth must be said

  • @spooky-mulder
    @spooky-mulder 3 месяца назад

    All-time TEAM:
    Starters-
    C: Bill Russell
    PF: Hakeem Olajuwon
    SF: Kevin Garnett
    SG: Lebron James
    PG: Mahmoud Abdul Rauf
    Bench-
    6: Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    7: Tracy Mcgrady
    8: Latrell Sprewell
    9: Kyrie Irving
    10: Dirk Nowitzki

    • @isojoe125
      @isojoe125 3 месяца назад

      are you on crack?

  • @rduse4125
    @rduse4125 10 месяцев назад +1

    I like your logic. One to one, I like Bird over Magic…BUT, his rings speak for themselves.
    AND, I’ve just never liked Kareem. Back the defender down and hit the skyhook. Do that for 20 years and that’s the bulk of his legacy.

    • @Xenon-h9z
      @Xenon-h9z 7 месяцев назад +1

      Bird _barely_ missed a buzzer beater in 87 (jumped out of the basket) against the Lakers that likely would have meant the Celtics won the 87 Championship, which would have made it 4-4.

  • @treysolo925
    @treysolo925 11 месяцев назад +4

    The only 2 legends that should be up for the 🐐 debate is M.J. & Kareem. In my mind M.J. is the 🐐. And this is coming from a Kobe fan. LeBron leap frogging the other legends on your list or anyone's list is just silly. We penalize K.D. for picking up 2 easy 💍💍, but that same logic NEVER applies to LeBron. 😅😅😅
    Nice video. But I disagree with the order of your list.
    But we're all entitled to our own opinions.

    • @krimezone
      @krimezone 11 месяцев назад +1

      Great point

    • @michaeltrenier
      @michaeltrenier 11 месяцев назад +1

      AGREED

    • @treysolo925
      @treysolo925 11 месяцев назад

      Thanks,
      @@krimezone .

    • @treysolo925
      @treysolo925 11 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks,
      @@michaeltrenier .

    • @BigBrownGaga
      @BigBrownGaga 6 месяцев назад +1

      No but the problem is your opinions don’t have context so it’s invalid

  • @MrSheduur
    @MrSheduur 11 месяцев назад +6

    Kobe had around 3-4 lackluster seasons in the end because he tried playing through a bunch of otherwise career ending injuries. You should honestly only consider the prime seasons for each player to really compare them, otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges.
    At the same time you HAVE to factor in the era they played in and up / downgrade certain numbers based on what the pace was in each era, otherwise there is absolutely zero use to even try and compare them. For example MJs numbers should be WAY increased over what Lebron puts up, simply because total average scoring numbers per game was alot lower than what we currently have, which means MJ had alot less opportunity to score that much or rebound that much because of the lower pace...

    • @coreyc2528
      @coreyc2528 11 месяцев назад +1

      Majority of MJ’s career pace of play was similar to today’s game. Kobe was the one most impacted by the dead ball era. If you take Kobe’s 06 season and adjust it MJ’s 87 season Kobe would have averaged close to 40 ppg.

    • @mustafamete6567
      @mustafamete6567 10 месяцев назад +1

      Jordan playe 9 seasons at high pace, just 6 seasons with low pace. LeBron played 13 season at low pace, just 8 seasons at high pace. So if you gave them equality, Bron's number gonna be up :)

    • @crystalizedExposed
      @crystalizedExposed 10 месяцев назад

      @@coreyc2528 you could say this about bron, duncan, shaq too. bron averaged 31 in the deadball era, shaq 29, duncan 25.

    • @jeromecruz3237
      @jeromecruz3237 7 месяцев назад

      Louder!!!
      Kobe's achilles era really hurt his stats

    • @Robertedwinhouse38
      @Robertedwinhouse38 5 месяцев назад

      You realize Lebron surpassed Jordan in scoring on way less shot attempts.

  • @Blacklist324
    @Blacklist324 11 месяцев назад +1

    LeBron has the most points but Kareem has made the most baskets and it's not even close. In fact the moment when LeBron reaches the 40,000 point mark, Kareem will still be the all-time leader in Field Goals made. That alone keeps him in the goat conversation. After all, putting the ball in the basket is what it's about, right.

    • @mustafamete6567
      @mustafamete6567 10 месяцев назад +2

      so now on in the game who scored more baskets not points, won the game? lol

  • @mannylora
    @mannylora 4 месяца назад

    Great all time list. I put more emphasis on championships, highest peak, and being the “Batman” of your team so my list is slightly different:
    1. Jordan
    2. Lebron
    3. Russell
    4. Magic
    5. Kareem
    6. Bird
    7. Duncan
    8. Kobe
    9. Shaq
    10. Curry
    I put Russell 3rd because I can’t get over 11 championships in 13 years. He wasn’t the best offensively but he knew how to win and I value that a lot. He dominated Wilt who was the most dominate in history. I put Magic above Kareem because he was the better player on their team when they went to 9 finals together. I have Bird above Duncan because he had the higher peak with 3 consecutive MVPs and was better overall even though he doesn’t have the higher career stats having only played 13 seasons.

    • @antonioiniguez1615
      @antonioiniguez1615 3 месяца назад

      Putting more emphasis on championships automatically invalidates your methodology

  • @dionysise5008
    @dionysise5008 11 месяцев назад +5

    I'll drop my list n then watch.
    1.MJ
    2.Bron
    3.Kareem
    4.Magic
    5.Wilt
    6.Bird
    7.Duncan
    8.Russel
    9.Kobe
    10.Shaq
    11.Steph
    12.Oscar
    13.Dr J
    14.Hakeem
    15.Moses
    16.West
    17.KD
    19.Thomas

  • @BradleyDavid1962
    @BradleyDavid1962 10 месяцев назад +7

    I once read if Larry Legend is not on the Top 5 list, it's no list at all. I agree with this statement.

  • @jaycob1830
    @jaycob1830 2 месяца назад +1

    No matter how statistical you get, there will always be opinion. I personally think Kobe should fall to at least 8th, or lower. Kevin Durant should be no where near the top 14, stay low top 20 even as a KD fan. Kevin Durant may be a “better” player than some of these guys, but he will never be “greater”. I also think Magic is a more athletic and better player than Bird, but Bird will always be greater for his drive, dedication, and resilience

  • @JT-km6th
    @JT-km6th 3 месяца назад +2

    Hakeem is better than Shaq. I they swapped career and teammates, Shaq would retire with 0 rings whilst Hakeem would retire with at least 6

    • @nsant2321
      @nsant2321 3 месяца назад

      i think thats fair
      i personally have shaq at 5 and hakeem at 6

    • @JT-km6th
      @JT-km6th 3 месяца назад

      @@nsant2321 why?

  • @ThatsWhatSheSaid9492
    @ThatsWhatSheSaid9492 День назад

    1. MJ
    2. LBJ
    3. Kareem
    4. Steph
    5. Shaq
    6. Russell
    7. Larry
    8. Magic
    9. Hakeem
    10. BANCHERO :)

  • @KennethLSA
    @KennethLSA 12 дней назад

    #1. Michael Jordan
    #2. LeBron James
    #3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    #4. Wilt Chamberlain
    #5. Bill Russell
    #6. Kobe Bryant
    #7. Larry Bird
    #8. Magic Johnson
    #9. Tim Duncan
    #10. Stephen Curry
    #11. Hakeem Olajuwon
    #12. Shaquille O'Neal
    #13. Kevin Durant
    #14. Julius Erving
    #15. Jerry West
    #16. Oscar Robertson

  • @krimezone
    @krimezone 11 месяцев назад +7

    My list
    Jordan
    Wilt
    Hakeem
    Bird
    KAJ
    Magic
    Bill
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Steph
    I have to rewatch some Tim
    he will likely make back top 10

    • @popdafourliketupacshakur6256
      @popdafourliketupacshakur6256 11 месяцев назад +2

      Kudos to u for having enough knowledge to rank Wilt this high. Most people ignorantly rank him far lower thinking like complete causals about his loses and rings in general with no context which they magically remember when discussing players like horry pippen and jordan. So kudos to you for at least seeing wilt in a better light than most of the poisoned basketball culture today

    • @krimezone
      @krimezone 10 месяцев назад

      @popdafourliketupacshakur6256 Well in terms of sheer dominance it is Wilt and Shaq so I don't know why the fuss on LeBron
      If it's that he is a big player that passes Magic did it first and Joker does it now
      If it's that he carried a weak team to the finals Hakeem and Kobe did that. Dirk beat the LeBron super team
      What metric are we using for LeBron greatness
      MJ was scoring leader 10 seasons on a row (that he played) since it was 7 in a row, retirement and them 3 in a row right after coming back. I'll take that over a player that kinda averages high in all areas but loses often and can't come through in the clutch like Jordan Bird Kobe
      And Wilt was holding back

    • @popdafourliketupacshakur6256
      @popdafourliketupacshakur6256 10 месяцев назад

      @@krimezone actually even wilt did that first. Lmao. Then magic then jokic

    • @popdafourliketupacshakur6256
      @popdafourliketupacshakur6256 10 месяцев назад

      @@krimezone tbh the fuss of Lebron and Jordan is insanity. It’s sad to see the media effortlessly feed the masses another matrix lebron or jordan red pill blue pill scenario like they do with so many other aspects of life they make money off of. It’s crazy

    • @mattsell2361
      @mattsell2361 10 месяцев назад +2

      Everyone look a biased lebron hater

  • @ejkboxing
    @ejkboxing 11 месяцев назад +5

    I'd like to see a video on NBA "game changers". I personally believe there's only seven throughout the NBA's history.
    - Russell (dominating & winning with defense)
    - Wilt (offense dominance),
    - Dr.J (artistry- lots of guys could do what Doc could do, but he just looked better doing it)
    - Magic (showmanship & winning through assists)
    - Jordan (total dominance on both ends, advanced artistry, showmanship & winning)
    - Dirk (1st big man,6'10"+ who dominated away from & facing the basket & a sniper from long distance)
    - Steph (great shooting from distance & in the paint)
    *A.I. was a culture changer & meant more to the fans around the world, but not a game changer (Isaiah was doing similar stuff & winning more). Everyone else were/are great basketball players, but didn't change the game. Guys like Kareem, LeBron & Shaq didn't do anything to change the game. Kareem created an unstoppable shot, but so did Bernard King, Dirk, George Gervin, & Tony Parker.
    *Kyrie is almost a game changer & a culture changer, but not quite.

    • @cratwinterz200
      @cratwinterz200 11 месяцев назад

      I’d argue Mikan, but that might be pre-NBA if you want to get technical.

    • @ejkboxing
      @ejkboxing 11 месяцев назад

      @@cratwinterz200 There was nothing to change when Mikan played. He was one of the 1st players.

    • @cratwinterz200
      @cratwinterz200 11 месяцев назад

      @@ejkboxing
      Nothing to change? Mikan’s influence is pretty commonly cited as the reasoning behind the initial widening of the lane, Goaltending, and the shot clock. I assume that being the first superstar doesn’t count for changing as that’s more outside the game. But he’s also (from what I’ve found) one of the first bigs and the first really dominate one, something which definitely changed how teams worked for quite some time.
      If you’ll allow post career influence, he’s also the one who adopted the 3pt line into the ABA. (Not created though, common misconception but the first league with a 3pt line was actually the ABL a different league that had one season in the early 60s)
      Again, unless you’re being rather strict on defining NBA, I’d argue Mikan is one of the most influential individuals on basketball ever.
      Also, another name that came to mind for consideration is Ron Arrest. The Malice at the Palace changed how the NBA conducts officiating, security, and even alcohol sales from what I recall.

    • @ejkboxing
      @ejkboxing 11 месяцев назад

      @@cratwinterz200 The NBA making changes to produce a better product doesn't count. Game changer means coaches, players & GMs change the way they're doing things because that one guy is killing them with his game changing style of play & performances. Mikan's style of play didn't make other players want to do what he was doing, or make coaches make special game-plans or make GMs look for another Mikan. Every center who came after him was better than him. You can't say that about any of the game changers. Guys were able to copy their styles & moves, but not become better than them. Meaning, better at what they did to change the game.
      Post career doesn't count since all players don't get to be execs for the NBA or rival leagues at the end of their playing careers.
      Also, Why would you only cite Ron Artest for the Malice in the Palace? There were fans (the instigators) & other players involved in that.

    • @JuggaloSupreme
      @JuggaloSupreme 10 месяцев назад

      Actually LeFlop changed the league a lot. He basically ruined it. Many of his MVPs are unearned, he doesn't play defense, and he basically took over flopping😂

  • @geert574
    @geert574 6 месяцев назад +1

    Lists need to be about the impact that player brings
    Wilt
    Jordan
    Bird
    Olajuwon
    Erving
    Kareem
    Lebron
    M Malone
    K Malone
    Duncan
    Pettit
    Hayes
    Stockton
    Shaq

  • @TFG377
    @TFG377 7 месяцев назад +1

    Good idea on paper, but clearly numbers & stats lie to a small extent. Or at least don’t tell the whole story. There’s far more factors.
    1.) Michael Jordan
    2.) Larry Bird
    3.) Kobe Bryant (or Lebron James)
    4.) Lebron James (or Kobe Bryant)
    5.) Magic Johnson
    And then after that I’m not too sure yet or anymore lol 😅
    And my Favs list?
    1.) Larry Bird
    2.) Lebron James (or Kobe Bryant)
    3.) Kobe Bryant (or Lebron James
    4.) Pete Marovich
    5.) Michael Jordan
    6.) Jason Williams
    7.) Steve Nash
    And idk after that for sure 😅
    Crazy tho you only gave a B to Birds legacy. That’s insane 😅😂 Also the B on Team success. We still talking about the same Celtics right? Only lost a couple games Celtics? Where Bird helped take to the Finals & Win for them even more? And MJ couldn’t even beat him and his team? What?

  • @Editor_Hound
    @Editor_Hound 10 месяцев назад +2

    Larry Legend at #8 is disrespectful. If anything, Larry and Magic should be tied. Although Larry is a more complete player than Magic.

    • @mattsell2361
      @mattsell2361 10 месяцев назад

      The only reason I would say the majority of people have magic higher is because he has more championships. Bird I’m sure if bird was drafted to a team with the mvp on it he would have won more birds second best player was Kevin mcHale I’m pretty sure Kareem is better then mcHale. Taking away team success I don’t really see an argument for magic being a better basketball player than bird. Also bird should have 4-5 mvps because his 87 and 88 years were better then his mvp years. I just think it’s crazy we hate on lebron Durant and curry’s rings because we say oh they a super team of course they won. Yet lebrons best all time player d wade is arguably not a top 30 player all time. And magic and Kareem are routinely ranked in the top 5 together. So I would hope two top 5 players could win multiple championships. Same thing with Kobe we say yeah Kobe has 5 rings but 3 were with shaq. There’s never this talk with Kareem or magic

    • @waldothewalrus294
      @waldothewalrus294 2 месяца назад

      Bird was the better player but Magic had the better career and was better in the playoffs.

  • @seanmolloy2172
    @seanmolloy2172 11 месяцев назад +4

    Despite what I just said. West and Moses have to be included in the top tier. With Baylor, Havelicek, DrJ. close behind.

    • @LeKy-yd2zj
      @LeKy-yd2zj 3 месяца назад

      Giannis is way better than every dude you just mentioned except moses.

    • @seanmolloy2172
      @seanmolloy2172 3 месяца назад

      @@LeKy-yd2zj I'd put him with the other 3. But with the last few playoff defeats, admittedly because of injuries, you can't put giannis above west or moses. Yet.
      Plus.
      If giannis is they, then jokic has to also be there.

    • @LeKy-yd2zj
      @LeKy-yd2zj 3 месяца назад

      @@seanmolloy2172 bro no disrespect but west only has 1 chip and no mvps, giannis is already up there. You can say west has more all-nba selections but that holds little weight compared to MVPs
      And agree about Jokic.

    • @seanmolloy2172
      @seanmolloy2172 3 месяца назад

      @@LeKy-yd2zj no mvps, yes. But he played at a time when only 5s won mvps, and had 4 second place finishes. Wes Unsell beat him for 1 of those. Love Wes, but come on. Plus, mvps aren't everything. Nash has as many as Shaq and Kobe.

    • @LeKy-yd2zj
      @LeKy-yd2zj 3 месяца назад

      @@seanmolloy2172 They both have one championship and fmvp. But Giannis has two extra mvps and one extra dpoy. That gives him the clear edge

  • @KariConn-v3d
    @KariConn-v3d Месяц назад

    People always have Duncan over Shaq because of longevity when Shaq was bullying him and Robinson at the same time at his peak, yet they have MJ over Lebron when his longevity doesnt compare.

  • @mr.0regano1
    @mr.0regano1 2 месяца назад

    This a a solid list not much biased and it includes the stats that are not on paper

  • @PhoenixSuns1353
    @PhoenixSuns1353 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wow… the best way to wake up for Thanksgiving

  • @tommyzhang8540
    @tommyzhang8540 3 месяца назад +1

    Hakeem at 12 is crazy in my opinion

  • @mrjermz5406
    @mrjermz5406 11 месяцев назад +2

    Very respectable list, especially knowing that ranking Duncan over Kobe will be very unpopular. I want Wilt to be higher but can't argue your logic. Well done!

    • @michaelmaccrazy
      @michaelmaccrazy 11 месяцев назад +3

      I have Duncan ahead of Kobe myself. More FMVPs, more MVPs, more all-defensive. Thats just the basics.

    • @Nuthinnull
      @Nuthinnull 11 месяцев назад

      @@michaelmaccrazyKobe >

    • @michaelmaccrazy
      @michaelmaccrazy 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Nuthinnull Okay…you’re a groupie. Carry on. 😂

    • @Nuthinnull
      @Nuthinnull 11 месяцев назад

      @@michaelmaccrazy Groupie? And that’s your argument? 💀😂💀

    • @michaelmaccrazy
      @michaelmaccrazy 11 месяцев назад

      @@Nuthinnull You literally said “Kobe>” 😂😂😂😂😂
      Without stating any facts whatsoever. But it doesn’t matter. There is nothing you can say that I haven’t heard before. And Duncan is easily better. Kobe just played in a bigger market which attracts groupies…like you 😂

  • @Daveyboy_RS3
    @Daveyboy_RS3 10 месяцев назад +1

    You said other than Russell, Magic is the only player to ever win 5 Rings in 9 seasons. But Jordan won 6 in 8 seasons...

  • @2rawww4tvkd
    @2rawww4tvkd 2 месяца назад

    MJ resume & finals record is already flawless. Everybody lose games & not perfect but in terms of a career he should be no question #1

  • @patrickamtman4804
    @patrickamtman4804 11 месяцев назад +1

    My personal starting 5 is easily magic, Michael, LeBron, Timmy, and the diesel💯

  • @rrselanrebmatu2897
    @rrselanrebmatu2897 11 месяцев назад

    they’re all good and great players, if you want to rank them just use their achievements..
    Most NBA Trophies
    MJ-22
    Russell-17
    LBJ-16
    Kareem-15
    Magic-13
    Duncan-12
    Shaq-12
    Kobe-12
    Bird-11
    Wilt-9
    Curry-8
    KD-8

    • @BigBrownGaga
      @BigBrownGaga 6 месяцев назад

      What is your definition of a trophy? Lol

  • @LeKy-yd2zj
    @LeKy-yd2zj 3 месяца назад

    great list. I only used awards and legacy as my criteria and ended up as pretty much the same list as you

  • @yophaint4724
    @yophaint4724 11 месяцев назад

    Amazing video earned a sub

  • @danielfree6090
    @danielfree6090 10 месяцев назад +5

    This audacity for u to have wilt out the top 5 is crazy. Having Kobe over some of those guys like bill and wilt and also Larry is crazy as well

  • @michaelgill5135
    @michaelgill5135 11 месяцев назад +1

    LeBron not top 5

  • @michaeldavis6607
    @michaeldavis6607 11 месяцев назад +4

    How can the 2 guys that revitalized the NBA not be in the to p 5 Magic and Bird.

    • @mja4wp
      @mja4wp 11 месяцев назад

      Bird and Magic are solid top 10....I have Bird ahead of Magic simply because his D was better.....

    • @crystalizedExposed
      @crystalizedExposed 10 месяцев назад +3

      making the nba popular doesn't make you a better basketball player

    • @BigBrownGaga
      @BigBrownGaga 6 месяцев назад

      They didn’t really revolutionize anything…the 80s were just a revolutionary time in all of sports as far as marketing players and Magic and Bird were the best players of that weak era in the sport of basketball lol

  • @Ramos7555
    @Ramos7555 10 месяцев назад +3

    Kobe Bryant created the super teams that we know today because he beat the Celtics big 3. You forgot about that. Legacy and eye test should be A+.

    • @Xenon-h9z
      @Xenon-h9z 7 месяцев назад

      lol'd.

    • @cial67
      @cial67 5 месяцев назад

      And eye test is an argument for flat earthers. Kobe was an inefficient chucker. But glad it looked pretty to you and therefore, like the flat-earthers, you think you're smarter than math 😅😅

  • @savcitynineties4845
    @savcitynineties4845 11 месяцев назад

    Great list . Although I disagree with Oscar.
    Me personally I would have all these guys before Oscar(in no order):
    David Robinson
    Julius Erving
    Jerry West
    Dwyane Wade
    Kevin Garnett
    Karl Malone
    Charles Barkley
    Giannis Antetokounmpo
    Nikola Jokic
    Bob Petit
    Moses Malone
    and I even think your formula may agree

  • @michaeltrenier
    @michaeltrenier 11 месяцев назад

    GREAT video bro. Subbed.

  • @GuiBu-m7w
    @GuiBu-m7w 2 месяца назад +1

    It is hard cause u have to considerate adversity....that s why Bill not in my 10...but he s not far. And i am not sure LeBron would score so much vs 90's défense...but he is one of greatest! and i put him 5...a good place. To me:
    1 MJ (and maybe for ever..)
    2 Kobe
    3 Wilt
    4 Kareem
    5 James
    6 Curry
    7 Bird
    8 Magic
    9 Olajuwon(could be the surprise..but yes... and before Shaq... never forget the Dream)
    10 Shaq
    (Maybe Duncan 11... but after too hard..too many good players...

    • @GuiBu-m7w
      @GuiBu-m7w 2 месяца назад

      This team, all at their prime...😅

  • @tpsam
    @tpsam 11 месяцев назад +1

    My list with my bias
    LeBron
    Jordan
    Wilt
    Kareem
    Hakeem
    Magic
    Bird
    Duncan
    Shaq
    Kobe
    Trying to be objective
    Mj
    LeBron
    Kareem
    Wilt
    Hakeem
    Magic
    Bird
    Duncan
    Shaq
    Kobe

  • @acsupreme2088
    @acsupreme2088 11 месяцев назад +1

    Dr J has a top 10 case

  • @ryanjohnson7317
    @ryanjohnson7317 10 месяцев назад +1

    Bro, you saying kobe wasn't a drive on his first three rings means you literally don't know ball. Watch the tape on all three years going through the western conference. If kobe doesn't take over for his team in the west. Shaq doesn't feast on the weak east centers. They don't get to the chip. Those years 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  • @elive689
    @elive689 11 дней назад

    The list is actually perfect especially tim duncan and kobes spots but I would take Steph out honestly.

  • @rabidgrinder5996
    @rabidgrinder5996 7 месяцев назад +1

    This is an incredibly disappointing list. Simply putting LeBron on this list is an insult to the truly great legends who showed us what it meant to be a competitive leader every time they stepped on the court. I mean take a look at the list, all except LeBron were the leaders of their team. LeBron has consistently been the second best or worse on his team in the post season. He also has more whine than a vineyard when the calls don't go his way. Disrespecting Kobe like that... His first 3 years were from the bench, while the Shaq led team failed to win a ring. Once Phil arrived and made Kobe a starter is when the dominance started taking place. Thus Kobe's overall stats are not what they should be. Just insulting. Also, the gap between Larry and Magic appears to be a Lakers bias or a lack of historical knowledge about Larry and what he accomplished immediately in Boston. Larry and Magic made a great rivalry and saved the NBA for the fact that they were both so amazing and competitive, especially with one another.

  • @ArturoRabago-k5d
    @ArturoRabago-k5d 9 месяцев назад

    I’m a big Larry fan. He’s my number one pick of all time. To say that magic was the one who saved the nba is not being fair to Larry. Larry bird and Magic BOTH saved the nba together. Really the only thing that bothered me about this video.

  • @MrFargo1001
    @MrFargo1001 3 месяца назад

    You have to be joking.11th?? Are you taking any narcotics? This presentation is a major insult to Wilt Chamberlain. Hands Down the GOAT. Only 100 point game(ever). Only 90 point game. Most 80 point games. Most 70 point games. Most 60 point games. Most 50 point games. Averaged 50 points/25 rebounds for an Entire Season(do you have any conception how Impressive that statistic alone is?). Led league in Points, Assists, Rebounds, Blocked shots, Minutes played. Blocked Kareems sky-hook Multiple times. NEVER fouled out of a game. Held 68 NBA records, 7 still stand today and will never be beaten. And he did it all in 14-year career wearing high-top Converse. No other player, anywhere before or since, even comes close to Wilt Chamberlain. # 2, hands down, Michael Jordan.

  • @MrCody6925
    @MrCody6925 6 месяцев назад +1

    Dang I didn't know there we're only 100 HOFers

  • @mmldtop6005
    @mmldtop6005 2 месяца назад +1

    Casual. You do not understand greatness and how to rank them.
    Offense and defense has little to do with it. Cant blame you as 99% of fans are like you

  • @joejett5084
    @joejett5084 11 месяцев назад +2

    I can respect this 🎯🎯🎯🎯 actually this really is the honest truth

  • @RayAvkD
    @RayAvkD 2 месяца назад

    My top 10 all time NBA players.
    1: Karl Malone ( my favorite pedophile)
    2: Lin sanity
    3: Flight Reacts
    4: Drakes snake
    5: Ishowspeed
    6: Josh Giddey
    7: Steph Curry after the Olympics
    8: Bronny James
    9: LeBrons hairline
    10: A florida man

  • @Michiiigring
    @Michiiigring 6 месяцев назад

    Damn that is a very good list tbh, i personally would interchange mj and bron
    also i would have included total stats on top of per game stats to value longevity
    but this list is almost exactly how my personal list looks like
    very cool

  • @Marilyn-x3r6d
    @Marilyn-x3r6d 11 месяцев назад +7

    You have Bird criminally low

  • @mrho4speed
    @mrho4speed 11 месяцев назад

    FYI = Kareem actually won the 1980 FMVP AFTER Magic's great game 6 but because Kareem was not present the voters were asked to change their votes so Magic would win the award because CBS did not want to present the award to "an empty chair". What actually happened is covered in the book titled "Kareem" pages 140-141. Also Magic did not make an all defense team his entire career, so there are several players that need to move up past Magic IMO. Thanks.

    • @dantealoving
      @dantealoving 11 месяцев назад +1

      Magic lead the Showtime Lakers to the 3 highest team FG% in NBA history. With him running the show the Lakers shot .542% as a team. Magic is the greatest playmaker in NBA history. #4 is just about right.

    • @mrho4speed
      @mrho4speed 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@dantealoving The Western conference was much weaker than the East. See Dave Heeren's "Basketball Abstract" for the comparison. All teams included East vs West = the East dominated the West every single year for all 10 years of the 80's. Defense in 50% of the game. Magic as a rookie needed special coaching as the zone Magic played ay MSU did not prepare Magic for the NBA. Norm Nixon was given the defensive assignment on the other PG. Magic was not a good defender = to hard to ignore that at this level.

    • @dantealoving
      @dantealoving 11 месяцев назад

      @@mrho4speed How did the East dominate the West in the 80s when Magic won 5 rings in the 80s 🤔

    • @mrho4speed
      @mrho4speed 11 месяцев назад

      @@dantealoving The measurement was done for each regular season and totaled all games between the East vs West and involved all teams in each conference. The East dominated the West every year for all 10 years. This is chapter 11 in the book "Basketball Abstract". Dave Heeren was the statistician for ESPN and has covered the NBA for about 60+ years.

  • @killadiator1014
    @killadiator1014 8 месяцев назад

    in the GOAT discussion i always say: MJ was the most accomplished player and LBJ was the best player ever. Whichever makes you the Greatest is up for debate

  • @mireilledavidson9427
    @mireilledavidson9427 11 месяцев назад +5

    Let's see, Legacy, just about places James at the bottom, you miss out the fact he ran from one superteam to another. When the going gets tough James goes team hopping.. he just dumped teams and moved on
    Then there's performance in the clutch, James is not a clutch player, when it comes down to the last two minutes of the game when teams are within 5 points, James ahoots at 20%. He's also not a very good from the free throw, around 73%. In fact James is not a very good shooter. You like looking at stats, go look at his shot chart as to where he qas shooting from. He ahot about 33% for shots from 3ft and more. The majority of his acoring was within 3ft, being layups and dunks.
    His longevity, he has played only 1 full season of 82 games in his career.
    James also sisnt make the playoffs his first two years and he has been swept in the finals, i think its 3 times now.
    Also James being able ro defend 1-5 is a bit over stated, maybe 2-3 and James is rarely tasked with defending the other teams best player. In fact you're lucky if he gets back on defence.
    And then he played in the East, at the time when the East was significantly weeker where he played against teams that were 500 and less.
    From 2000-2015 the west won 11-4. About 65% of the All Star players came from the west..
    You haven't included playoff performances, James is rhe one player that has given up on his, passed on making the last shot or simply just bricked it.
    And then there's the flopping. The only player on your who has incorporated flopping into his game, mastered the skill and uses it several times a game.
    You know hopping from one superteam to another is significantly easier than staying with the team that drafted you and working continuosly to improve your game to a level where you achieve success.

    • @jasonlommen4769
      @jasonlommen4769 10 месяцев назад +2

      Well said. LBJ is great, but overrated. He makes my top 15 only.

    • @fox2004yuan
      @fox2004yuan 10 месяцев назад +1

      lbj has many holes as a player. he is overrated. And more disgusting, he claims himself goat. Not a single other NBA player makes that kind claim. It was the most disrespectful to NBA players as a whole...

    • @antonioiniguez1615
      @antonioiniguez1615 3 месяца назад

      This is the most delusional piece of Bullshit I've ever read

  • @willieluncheonette5843
    @willieluncheonette5843 8 месяцев назад

    MO the 3 best of all time are in no order Wilt, Michael and Lebron. Then in no order, just off the top of me head....Russell, Oscar, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Kareem, West, Steph, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, Elgin, Dr. J......after that I would have to think about it

  • @antonioiniguez1615
    @antonioiniguez1615 3 месяца назад

    Using letter grades severely hurts the methodology. Why not use a simple standardized and weighted composite score?

  • @joecurry382
    @joecurry382 10 месяцев назад

    1 Bill Russell
    2 Micheal Jordan
    3 Larry Bird
    4 Tim Duncan
    5 Lew Alcindor
    6 Stephen Curry
    7 Julius Erving
    8 Magic Johnson
    9 Wilt Chamberlain
    10 LeBron James
    11 Kobe Bryant
    12 Moses Malone
    13 Jerry West
    14 Oscar Robinson
    15 John Havechek
    16 Isiah Thomas
    17 Bob Petit
    18 Hakeem Olajuwon
    19 Shaquille Oneal
    20 Kevin Durant
    21 Kevin Garnet
    22 Giannis Antekoumpo
    23 Nikola Jokic
    24 Bob Cousey
    25 John Stockton
    26 Dirk Nowitski
    27 Elgin Baylor
    28 Kevin McHale
    29 Earl Monroe
    30 Patrick Ewing
    31 David Robinson
    32 Charles Barkley
    33 Dennis Rodman
    34 Walt Frazier
    35 Willis Reed
    36 Carmelo Anthony
    37 Chris Paul
    38 Dwayne Wade
    39 Allen Iverson
    40 Scottie Pipen
    41 Paul Pierce
    42 Bob McAdoo
    43 Vince Carter
    44 Tracy McGrady
    45 Clyde Drexler
    46 Karl Malone
    47 George Mikan
    48 Bill Walton
    49 Dave Cowens
    50 George McInnis
    51 Steve Nash
    52 Amare Stoudimire
    53 Gary Payton
    54 Jason Kidd
    55 Elvin Hayes
    56 Russell Westbrook
    57 James Harden
    58 Anthony Davis
    59 Luka Donic
    60 Bernard King
    61 Alex English
    62 Artis Gilmore
    63 Nate Thurmond
    64 Dikembe Mutombo
    65 Mitch Richmond
    66 Pete Maravich
    67 Dave Debaucher
    68 Sam Jones
    69 James Worthy
    70 Tony Parker
    71 Shai Gilgress Alexander
    72 Domantas Sabonis
    73 Jack Sikma
    74 Sidney Moncrief
    75 Richie Gueren
    76 Mark Price
    77 Chris Jackson
    78 Tom Chambers
    79 Bobby Daindridge
    80 Arvydas Sabonis
    81 Yao Ming
    82 Rasheed Wallace
    83 Chris Webber
    84 Chris Mullen
    85 Dale Ellis
    86 Jerry Lucas
    87 Anthony Edwards
    88 DeArron Fox
    89 Drazen Petrovic
    90 Dominique Wilkins
    91 Larry Nance
    92 Kevin Willis
    93 Julius Randle
    94 Trey Young
    95 Maurice Cheeks
    96 Derrek Harper
    97 Latrell Spreewell
    98 Bob Love
    99 Walt Bellemy
    100 Bob Lainer

    • @lockheedmartinf22raptor64
      @lockheedmartinf22raptor64 10 месяцев назад +2

      This is by far the worst list of all time

    • @JoiRandom
      @JoiRandom 9 месяцев назад +1

      You had to be high when you typed this crap ..

  • @witness2.512
    @witness2.512 11 месяцев назад +2

    1. Jordan
    2. Russell
    T-3. Magic
    T-3. Bird
    5. Kareem
    6. Wilt
    7. LeBron
    8. Hakeem
    9. Duncan
    10. Kobe
    11. Shaq
    12. Dr J
    13. Moses
    14. Oscar
    15. West
    16. Zeke
    17. Baylor
    Rest is up for debate.

  • @Carvis23
    @Carvis23 11 месяцев назад +2

    Where is Moses Malone?

  • @cpeterkin7
    @cpeterkin7 10 месяцев назад +2

    Kobe was absolutely the best player on his championship teams. He was simply not the focal point of the offense. When shaq foul out multiple times he stepped up to save the season.

    • @chrisweldon9215
      @chrisweldon9215 10 месяцев назад +3

      Kobe avg 14 pts on 39% shooting in the pacer finals shaq avg 35 and 15. Snap out of it

    • @HarshanSandhu-c4r
      @HarshanSandhu-c4r 8 месяцев назад

      Lol that rapist is so overrated

    • @JT-km6th
      @JT-km6th 3 месяца назад

      You mean in the playoffs, not the finals. But Kobe is extremely underrated in the first 3. Ppl act like he got carried, which is stupid.

    • @d3adyoutubeaccount
      @d3adyoutubeaccount 3 месяца назад

      @@chrisweldon9215Kobe was injured that series, he averaged 24 points pre injury

  • @langtam5959
    @langtam5959 11 месяцев назад +1

    Have you even seen Larry Bird play I think you rely on stats to much

  • @JoeBuck-uc3bl
    @JoeBuck-uc3bl 8 месяцев назад

    The backcourt ABSOLUTELY has to be Jordan and Steph!!

  • @and1tv85
    @and1tv85 28 дней назад

    Disrespect to Wilt , this dude need to search more about Wilt

  • @edwardwood3622
    @edwardwood3622 11 месяцев назад

    Kobe didn’t deserve most of those awards, the Derek Jeter of the NBA.

  • @ridisulo2978
    @ridisulo2978 11 месяцев назад +1

    Bird was a better player than Magic and had less help so those 5 rings don't do enough for me to give him the nudge. Larry's peak was 2nd/3rd best all time if we're being honest, he just had unfortunate health issues and was white lol. LeBron's longevity when weighed against how utterly atrocious his bottom is ( look no further than the most pathetic finals performance of all time in 2011 ) doesn't make for a compelling case. He had the easiest path the finals his entire time while on the East minus the first year the Boston Big 3 formed and his late career stats are wildly inflated as a product of the league being as dogshit as it has been recently. He's top 5, maybe 3 at best but we can stop giving him too much credit already he's just not a winner compared to the other greats.

  • @deloentertains3370
    @deloentertains3370 11 месяцев назад +2

    If Kobe not #1, the list is flawed

    • @kjjr3270
      @kjjr3270 2 месяца назад

      Zip it up when you are finished

  • @1JLegend
    @1JLegend 11 месяцев назад +2

    The things I have to say about this list. Jerry West and Dr J should be ahead of Oscar. Also Wilt's team success needs to be given more credit when you weight context such as the fact that he has more rings than any other non-celtic of that Era.

    • @hakeemolajuwon4352
      @hakeemolajuwon4352 11 месяцев назад

      Yeah but he needed to piggyback off of Hal Greer, Chet Walker, Billy Cunningham, Luke Jackson, Gail Goodrich and Jerry West just to get two rings. Wilt was known as a terrible teammate, you should read the book the Rivalry

    • @mrjermz5406
      @mrjermz5406 11 месяцев назад

      @@hakeemolajuwon4352 Meanwhile the Celtics had 5-8 HOFs at any given time. I think this list of teammates is pretty unremarkable in that context.

    • @hakeemolajuwon4352
      @hakeemolajuwon4352 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@mrjermz5406 so basically you don't know basketball at all then? Most wilt fanboys are little kids who don't know anything about NBA history

    • @hakeemolajuwon4352
      @hakeemolajuwon4352 11 месяцев назад

      @@mrjermz5406 maybe you should look at the numbers and see that wilt was the 5th leading scorer on his first ring

  • @terrencefields4115
    @terrencefields4115 11 месяцев назад

    After blowing a 3-1 lead in the finals then flying across country to begg KD to come save him how can steph be on any list unless you just find him attractive.

  • @ericmoss7424
    @ericmoss7424 10 месяцев назад

    You did a complete hatchet job on the Dream. Except for Jordan and Lebron none of the others were doing any better with his cast of teammates, particularly from the late 80's to early early 90's. Not to mention the level of coaching. No Auerbach, Jackson, Riley, or Pop. The seasons he had ANY real support including his first finals, he made the conference finals or the finals. He is so disrespected in history.

  • @chrisoneill4865
    @chrisoneill4865 11 месяцев назад

    Your letter grade for birds team success, and basic stats is a little low. A stacked eastern conference for his entire career, on top of Houston and the Lakers in the finals. And when you consider he was diminished by injuries his last 5 years, I think those should both be a bit higher. Other than that, this list is perfect for me.