The Biggest Moment For Laptops Since Apple’s M1
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Intel Meteor Lake Laptop Performance Review.
Looking at the Core Ultra 7 155H vs AMD Ryzen 7840U and Apple M2
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How did Intel manage to make the naming less clear than before?
And they have the audacity to make the snake oil post making fun of amds naming
Yeah. Intel 4 is actually 7nm.
@@johnroberts2905and transistor density like tsmc 4nm
bruh core ultra 155h. just call it a i7-1455h or something
Yeah, amazing actually
its amazing we've got to the point where AMD and Intel are trading blows with apple when it comes to efficiency, this was almost unimaginable 3 years ago. thanks apple for raising the bar
AMD has always been competitive with Apple, it's just Intel that has been... lacking. Strix Zen 5 from AMD is likely to beat Apple, but that will change again with M4 chips, they are trading blows, and they have been since M1 got introduced
@@sagnaik switching to arm was all about apple though, otherwise you're right but at the end of the day they set the bar high with the M1 and Intel have had to react
@@VideogamesAsArt true, but with AMD supply is nonexistent, at least Intel laptops are widespread
@@defnotatroll I think this will change as Intel switched to EUV... I worry that their supply will be as low as AMD, or even lower at the beginning until they increase their only EUV fab's production
@@Justin_Leahytrue but take apple back to 7nm and let's see how it performs
The reason why I liked the m1 Air was cuz it had crazy battery life and unbelievable heat control without having a fan. I never really cared about the extra performance. Thats also probably what the majority wants. If this chip or the very next generation can nail both of them and give us the m1 experience on windows laptops, It would be a dream come true. I've used a lot of windows laptops and no matter what, I can get it to run hot by just using chrome and some very basic apps. M1 macbooks had none of those and stayed cool.
Exactly this. It's crazy to think that we're basically in 2024 and still nobody has been able to beat (or even match) the M1 Air as the best daily machine for 90% of ordinary users.
Microsoft’s crappy software isn’t helping. My Thinkpad X1 nano runs cool and quiet on Linux, but as soon as I boot up windows the fans spin up and it gets hot.
@@swlak516true, switch to debian on my xps, never gonna go back to windows
it's overkill & overpriced for 90% of ordinary users @@dickersonbuttman69 , also it's vertical integration, whereas other laptops have different companies producing different components both hardware & software for more generally usable compute/performance; it's becoming better because of increasing use of more open source and better interoperability; most CPUs sold today go to datacenters
real reason apple's cpu seems like a huge leap is because of intel's getting lazy off their monopoly & stalling advancement for a decade; they arent *that* much better which becomes obvious when you realize how much of a PR lie those unmarked sparse data charts they show during their presentations
yall forget that apple pc/laptop hardware was a joke before m1 from a computational standpoint for workflow considering how much they cost, and honestly, once everyone catches up there will less monetary incentive for apple to continue making their own chips, they'll just get some other company to design a custom chip for them which makes more sense from a supply chain point
Arrow Lake with the new 7 or 8 watt tier should deliver that
You can't tell this story without discussing legacy software and x86. There is a massive userbase that still wants native x86 support and are willing to take a performance hit for that legacy support. Apple was able to move away as they control their software stack so tightly but this is huge for the more open ecosystem.
Meteor Lake is x86. However you're going to be seeing the PC side move to ARM at least for mobile.
x86 already is compiled into "micro-ops" by the CPU, which is equivalent to risc instructions to an extent.
As more and more compilers target to this "risc" subset of x86 instructions, then Intel/AMD can do the same optimizations it normally does.
Not if you plan to run games on it - especially indies or legacy game that don't get a ton of development, or you use your device with a corporate software stack that use a ton of proprietary of legacy software stack. Heck some of my work software still need Windows7. Unless they made everything and I mean EVERYTHING run, I can't see the move to ARM to be viable, unless you don't use your PC professionally - or for gaming (but then what would you use your PC for?) @@dayjeremy
A lot of legacy software may not be recompiled for ARM or RiscV for a long time if ever. Having a RISC type microcode is irrelevant when realizing instructions in hardware takes resources and power. Long term we will move away from legacy software but short term software virtualization improvement could help bridge the gap.
Sadly, you can't compare CISC and RISC hardware this way. Intel still has hardware support for 40 year old, mostly unused instructions, and many SIMD instructions, that Apple offloaded to specific accelerator hardware. By design, this architecture can never be as energy efficient as the one instruction per clock cycle AMD based chips, but in my experience, most industrial software made for Windows will never be able to run on any other hardware.@@honkhonk8009
I love how compact your videos are. Other creators would make it a 20 minute video with the same information.
This was the most impressive part of this video for me. I was shocked I didn't have to keep forwarding the video
It is crazy that M2 Air has 22Wh less battery than these device but still either on par or beat them in term of efficiency. Hopefully Qualcomm can save Windows laptops for me at least.
Should have been addressed in the video
He should also address that all laptops compared to the MacBook use performance processors for mobile not Energy efficient. He hasn't shown that an i7 1360p is way more power efficient than the ones he showed on his graph despite that it is also more powerful than a normal m3. Apple still got the power per watts game in their pockets tho.
Apple could pull it off due to that closed software support. To make ARM mainstream, windows would need to make translation engine for their ARM roms and regularly update drivers, software. Or all 3 companies would need to work together.
@@prateekpanwar646Translation layer is there, Windows 11 on ARM is there, Qualcomm seems to be releasing an SoC on par with M2 but that remains to be seen, if they pull it off that would be great since they also have a contract with Microsoft iirc and that would mean first-party driver support. Hopefully this levels the playing field and pushes everybody to really innovate and advance performance per watt like never before.
@@albertxion513 If that's the plan it's good. All I need is games to run current games atleast half as good om ARM as on x86 chips. Then native ARM games would have no problem.
Intel just caught up. They should also put the pressure on Windows to optimize the s/w better too. I hope this drives the industry to develop way more efficient chips.
There is no competition for Windows. No incentives slow progress.
AMD released the 7840u in May, they are still lagging behind by 8 months.
Just slap linux on it and ur good to go
Why would they pressure windows that just stupid
Mac is gonna be always on top sadly
Companies are not good collabing
@@stefantanuwijaya8598 Gaming is still not as good on Linux as it is on windows, at least not option wise.
Really happy to see Intel making things at least near the level of Apple and others. Competition is great and I think this will be good for the linux community too.
You forgot "I use Arch btw"
@@thunderinvader9031 "I use debian btw"
That competition came from Apple tho. Never forget that Intel was complacent for decades and only shifted gears when Apple f*cking destroyed them so badly that intel’s mobile chips were completely worthless for 4 years. Intel doesn’t care about innovation anymore unless it’s to save their asses.
@@thunderinvader9031not every linux user uses arch
Near Apple & others? MTL is a joke. What’s its price?
Haven't been here in a couple years. Love the new hairstyle and the greying on the sides. It looks sick! Keep growing the mane my man!
Bro left the compliment out of backhanded-compliment
Nailed it. They’ve finally caught up after lagging since before Tiger Lake even. The AMD part in this comparison was announced 12 mths ago. Apple M3 hasn’t fully delivered on 3nm so we can expect M4 to be a significant improvement. So next year AMD & Apple (& Qualcomm) will definitely continue making progress. Will Intel keep step or forever be a year or more behind?
Apple hasn't fully delivered on 3nm with M3? What crack are you smoking?
@@ArthropodSpidey When you see the efficiency improvements in the next iteration of 3nm coming down the line, ask that question again.😊
for us colorblind people in the future can you choose more visually distinct colors for graphs? the yellow and light green look the exact same and it makes the graph unreadable.
Yes please.
The colors and their corresponding cpu are listed in the same order in the graph. Though yes it may be confusing until he puts all the bars in the graph.
Great feedback. What would be a more suitable color?
There are several different kinds of colorblindness, there's only so much you can do with static images to accommodate everyone. Until he chooses to use distinct patterns (stripes/dots) in the bar graphs, you'll have to resort to reading the axis labels.
how did he know 🤨🤨🤨
Good job Intel, caught up to the AMD 780M. Even past it in a few cases.
Bodes well for the handheld gaming community. A third VALID competitor to drive the prices down.
@@robotsix6268amd's strix apu will absolutely destroy intel though. Intel has only caught up temporarily.
Nobody will care they can't make driver's
Your statement tells it all. In a few cases! Intel MTL is a joke. AMD provides better performance with Hawk Point at a lower price. Only a fool would buy a MTL laptop.
@@tringuyen7519😂
I hope we get some handheld focused APUs from intel as well. I want to see them compete in this space as well at 15w and lower
That's exactly what I thought. All Intel has to do is to keep improving their Arc drivers.
There have been one or two Meteor Lake handhelds spotted out in the wild, with 28W power envelopes, and given the fact that AMD is absolutely awful to work with (at least one very publicly visible instance of them simply not delivering the chips they were supposed to, and at least one more of them straight up not humouring a laptop startup until it had proven its place in the market with three generations of Intel-based systems), I think we'll see a lot more handhelds coming out using Intel chips rather than AMD, as well as a lot more handhelds in general due to the supply and support being less uncertain.
I doubt that's gonna happen. AMD seems to always offer a better deal, just look at all the consoles being AMD since i think PS4. But yes competition is good.
@@kiloneie The consoles are AMD based because AMD is the only one offering an APU that has a high powered GPU and CPU. Back with the PS4 generation Intel only made CPUs with weak iGPUs and Nvidia made GPUs only. AMD was the only one producing both
yep plus the dlss like xess is better than fsr
Congrats on making #30 or something like that on trending. Anything close to the M1 leap is impressive and clearly people have been waiting!
I still dont understand how apple just appeared in the silicone space and are somehow ahead of intel, who have been in the space for decades. How is apple so much better at this?
I guess they have much more competent people in the company.
Dave, I really appreciate the form of your content delivery. Quick and to the point. We get some numbers and concise thoughts. You always leave us with solid takeaways.
What this tells me is that Intel was well and truly behind when the M1 and Ryzen chips started taking off a few years ago. Thus, the reason why it only seems like they “caught up” now was because they had to fundamentally redesign their products. I know you might not be “impressed,” but this is a move that truly keeps Intel-based products viable for the coming years, and hopefully that means they stay in business and keep offering competition to drive costs down.
Competition is good 🤌🏾 AMD pushing past 8 cores in a monolithic design next year, Intel iGPU and battery life no longer sucks, Apple kinda sorta basically caring a smudge more about games
problem is that it is extremely risky for devs especially smaller decs to optimize for apple, at least in pc gaming
@@Skooz it's not exactly ideal but seeing Lies of P and Resident Evil 8 on Mac is a mild improvement
@@Skooz A dev recently revealed how it costs more to make a mac version than how much they earn from the 0.32% of gamers who use mac.
Meanwhile Amd still gonna milking fanboy with the same chip and gpu because Amd 8000 series will be massive disappointment because it was confirmed to be 7000 series refresh with the same radeon 780m except they added their half backed ai chip. Meanwhile Intel at that time gonna rocking their second tile chip with new cpu arc and battlemage gpu too for 2024.
apple promises to bring gaming every year. And every year feeds fanboys with a d1ck. The real progress was Macbooks with intel CPUs and Nvidia eGPU dock. After dudes decided to put mobile chip in those laptops. I hope noone in apple knows about RISC architecture because there is some more underhood amazing going on
They didn’t jump ahead, they just caught up.
Lunar lake panther lake jump ahead.
Meteor lake for same.
I wish these reviewers would do more than benchmarks which don’t mean anything to consumers. Test the laptop and show us 15 chrome tabs and all Office apps open and then open 2 other random apps and toggle between them quicker - or something, something anything that compares to average consumer use.
Maybe Apple Silicon coming first in this league made it more impressive. But considering Apple had mobile chips to work with while Intel had to do a significant shift to change, I feel like this release coming so soon is still super impressive. Catching up to M2 is really cool and evens the playing field once again so consumers get more choice. I'm all for it :D
Nahh..intel is a highly specialised chip company while apple is just a ‘designer company’. With its expertise and resources, intel is actually pretty late to their own game.
@@fazril7972 Designing chips takes a while. Let alone architectures. Money only does so much on that front. They placed a bet back in the Crysis days and they lost. Assuming their release is a reaction to Apple's tech, it's pretty quick. And looks to do the job for the most part.
@@jondavid6711 Maybe but considering how misguided their strategy was, it's still a quick turn in their context. Catching up is enough to make machines with their chips relevant again. Everyone wins in that. Unless you just bought an old Intel chip of course. But the same could be said of the last Intel Macs.
Where is this "catching up to M2" you speak of?
@@demistr7435 According to the graphs in this video, performance is similar
I really hope we get something that's last gen performance, but fanless and genuinely super efficient
I understand only comparing to M2 because that’s what’s available in the MacBook Air. But, given how thick those “thin and light” windows laptops are, it’d be more fair to compare it to the base mode M3 MacBook Pro
Dave desperately wants to show that intel laptops are better than Apple silicon
@@hyposlasherwell i mean apple macs aren’t bad but intel can do a ton of things it cant
@@Roarchopso make the comparison against Apple’s latest chip and let us be the judge. M2 is almost a year old at this point and M3 is out
Some people prefer to have ports. Its very nice that ASUS keeps an USB-A and full size HDMI port on laptops, so you don't have to live the dongle life. Also, you need to compare according to price also. Macbook pro's are 2x or 3x the price of these laptops.
Price is a consideration too. Zenbook 14 is the around the $1000 model and thus comparable to a MB Air. The M3 MBP 14 starts at $1600 and that's the 8GB RAM model, the one that chugs under load. As lovely and quiet as the MBP is it's set at a price that leaves it more comparable to high end gaming laptops than small office/work/content consumption machines.
You know you haven’t watched a channel for a long time when the RUclipsr can tie a ponytail… what the heck Dave? 😄 you look amazing
Really miss your budget laptop videos, Dave. Looking forward to a back to school video - especially in the $500-$800 range for students
Great analysis "they've just caught up". took the words right out of my mouth. I also wondered how they've been doing this for so long just to get smoked by apple's first generation chip. Even though apple has been making great processors for their mobile products, its still extremely impressive with what they were able to do with the M series chips.
Complacency and then being stuck on old process nodes - during the time AMD were just absolutely awful (pre Ryzen) Intel just completely stagnated since they had literally zero competition. Then when Ryzen came around and shook things up, Intel really struggled to get off of 14nm and 10nm. During all this Apple and other Arm chips were/are developing like absolute crazy from the whole smartphone craze
@@robinrai4973That's a concise analysis! 💯 Hoping Intel under Pat G. regains its edge! 🤞
You are right, I'm in school for accounting right now so I'm taking a couple marketing classes and they preach that competition creates great businesses and expose bad ones. I'm not saying Intel is bad but competition forces businesses to step up or lay down. I love it. @@robinrai4973
A couple of reasons, 1) Intel has a lot of technical debt supporting legacy x86 architecture going back to the original 8086 processor-- a clean sheet design will be faster and more efficient. 2) the lithography of Apple and AMD processors results in smaller transistors, less area and less energy. Remember, Intel 4 was originally called a 7 nanometer node. Look at chips manufactured on TSMC's 7nm node for an apples to apples comparison.
IMO the only thing wrong with Meteor Lake is the lithography. Intel knows they are behind in the fabs and that's why they are aggressively targeting 5 nodes in 4 years. My personal opinion is that if Meteor Lake was manufactured on TSMC's 3nm node, it would blow everything else out of the water. That is to say, I think they have the best design, they just need the lithography to catch up.
because APPLE switched to ARM... how come APPLE is still nowhere close to computational power of a top end AMD ryzen Radeon build?
To me it pretty much is a Ryzen 7040 series alternative. Couple that with Intel's generally good stock on shelves and not having to spend the extra cash for the dGPU (which for some reason most Ryzen 7040 seems to be on), it's a solid offering. Although, it really is meh, not much of an upgrade at all, but a necessary one. It really is strange it took Apple, then Ryzen for Intel to realize battery life is important on LAPTOPS.
You’re a fool to buy Intel MTL laptop. AMD’s Strix Point Halo comes out summer 2024 with 12 cores, 50 TOPs NPU, & 40 CU RDNA4.
I agree, get whatever is cheaper, Meteor Lake or Phoenix/Hawk Point. Both are FINALLY in a good state and competitive.
Also good job for Amd to milking fanboy with the same chip and gpu because Amd 8000 series will be massive disappointment because it was confirmed to be 7000 series refresh with the same radeon 780m except they added their half backed ai chip. Meanwhile Intel at that time gonna rocking their second tile chip with new cpu arc and battlemage gpu too for 2024.
@@tringuyen7519 I don't disagree but the general public don't pay attention to leaks and rumours. Also historically, AMD's laptop stock historically hasn't been the best, BUT that could change.
@@runninginthe90s75 Ryzen 8040* series. They will have their higher spec 8050* series with Zen 5 (new CPU) and Navi 3.5 (a GPU upgrade to say the least). When will it come out? I don't know, maybe after Q1 2024. Obviously, we will all have to wait
IDK about laptops, but the biggest moment for youtube tech is Dave's new hairstyle! You're killing it
"They just caught up"
I'd say being comparable to the M2 and also beating their direct competitor in gaming performance on their first outing is pretty impressive.
When things are already this good, it definitely is hard to be impressed by the minor improvements. the only way they'd see massive improvements is if they abandoned x86 entirely.
I disagree with the "beating" their direct competitor, these notebooks are using 7500 MT memory to just 3/5% in some games when the 7840 is using 5600 MT on notebooks, just compare the 5600 MT vs the 6400MT on NUCS to see the increasing in performance.
@@mawkzin Legion GO has 7500MT memory and it runs slower than the ROG Ally with 6500MT ram in many games. So there's already no consistency even among similar chipsets.
You're also comparing apples to oranges. Nucs, Laptops, Handhelds all have different power limits. If they are running at the same TDP with different ram speeds then you can have a proper comparison, but you're just comparing ram speed with no other comparisons.
I'm still impressed with intels outing because they were already better with quicksync for video encoding, and now they have a decent igpu for gaming too. All they need now is to get decent battery life. I like the competing intel, because it forces AMD to get better or cheaper.
AMD isn't making an 880m for 2024 (at least not yet) so good or bad it's a W for intel if they are matching/beating the 780m performance.
Intel just catches up, which is not good enough. Need to be 2x better. :shrug:
Apple M1’s efficiency and performance blew everyone away. This is just Intel finally catching up. Title does not compute.
Except on battery life, the M1, 2 and 3 have been caught up by both Intel 13th gen and AMD 7040U.
Intel is caching up only to amd, m3 is a lot better than both that's why it's not in this video
@@greecemobile7610😂😂😂😂😂
@@greecemobile7610 M3 is about equivalent to M2, you can see that in all the reviews. Also it's not comparable in price.
@@Anankin12 if you mean the base version with 8gb ram then yes, with 16gb ram is day and night
I thought you will talk about snapdragons arm chips for computers
At the time it was really stupendous how Apple made the M1 chips with its groundbreaking leap of battery efficiency meanwhile intel just keeps rebranding there CPUs and actually making them more power hungry(less efficient). I'm curious what AMD's take on this as they've been already working on efficiency while going toe to toe in performance with intel.
It was really groundbreaking how made an ARM cortex be able to run a 64 bit OS.
AMD's Zen is really well balanced to scale up or down for low power or high performance.
Intel's doesn't scale down very well, and Apple's doesn't scale up as well.
This comment makes zero sense. Did you even watch the video?
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa he clearly didnt watch it, just like most of these idiots making dumb comments like him
Intel Ultra™ Power Consumption.
I'd love to see what kind of battery life these Core Ultra chips get when using slimmed down versions of Windows such as Tiny11
Great video! Wanted to hear thoughts on this asap. You delivered it quickly.
YES!! I’m so happy to see Intel’s integrated graphics catching up with AMD’s-let alone all the other areas. I hope the two really start to compete in the mobile space to consumers’ benefit.
Not catching up. Beating AMD now.
@@TalonsTech I mean it looked an awful lot like they were trading blows but 🤷♂️
@@TalonsTechAMD is yet to release next gen. It it will take its seat back hopefully
@@TalonsTech They only beat AMD if they use significantly faster RAM. Memory bandwidth is always going to heavily influence the performance of integrated graphics. And Intel weren't using an apples to apples comparison.
The laptops you'll actually be able to buy will have the same RAM speed you'll also see in AMD laptops (LPDDR5-6400)
Benchmarks mean nothing. Intel still has terrible driver support and bugs compared to AMD. It's progressing fast but surely not "on par".
As someone who was about to buy a MacBook, these updates may yet keep me on windows!
IMO it was easier for the M1 to do what it did then because a lot of the ecosystem is in house compared to windows laptops.
Regardless, this is a big step for windows users!
I think it's also to do with the fact that:
1. They came from mobile which is already optimised for efficiency, they 'just' had to scale it up. they other way around requires a complete change in architecture
2. They are using ARM, don't know how much this actually helps, but from an outside perspective it seems that this alone makes a big difference
3. They could let it sit in the oven until they felt ready. Intel is playing catch up and doesn't have that luxury
edit:
- The jump form 14nm to 5nm also helped a lot!
- Intel dragging their feet for a decade obviously also helped a lot
@@Mister0Eel Apple has 3 trillion dollars to spend and has all the engineers from intel/amd/nvidia etc.
@@Mister0Eel Jump from 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++ to TSMC 5nm was gigantic, which is probably most of the reason why Apple Silicon was so revolutionary in the first place and why the jump to 3nm with the M2 wasn't as great.
i wanted to buy an m2 macbook, but then i looked around and decided on a lenovo. 8/256, soldered ssd is just too unreasonable in 2023.
@@Mister0Eel It is more to do with Apple realising that Intel sucked and was destroying the PC industry with slow and iterative updates and taking a massive gamble to ditch Intel and move lock, stock and barrel to Apple Silicon. That was great foresight, which Intel didn't have, and it made Intel reactionary and Apple revolutionary. No praise for Intel, they are chasing Apple's shadow and they deserve no praise, just an answer from their team as to why they were so bad and didn't see what Apple saw? Copycats now to try and save as much of their business as they can.
For the battery benchmarks, it was written, yes, but could have talked more about the M2 Air having a 25% smaller battery while having the same battery life. And what including M3 instead of M2 ? Great video nontheless
What does it really matter when you have the same battery in the end of the day?
It's still a fair assessment despite the smaller battery because ARM is far more efficient than x86
@@Randomness662 that's an achievement for the architecture alright but what benefit does the consumer have if the battery life's the same
@@nexuhs. Charges faster
@@nexuhs. None lol. I was just addressing the architecture difference because op was stroking Apple's cock like they did something magical
Why did you compare the benchmarks with M2 when M3 has been out since November?
I just hope these processors come in cheaper PC’s. Both computers shown here are $1300. Even an M1 with still close performance gets you an entry price of $749. Apple is also on M3 processors already. Great if they have some competition to lower prices but, an M3 air will probably best these in performance and price.
I also don’t understand why D2D completely omits an M3 MacBook at this price range. Why are we even looking at an M2 air that’s hundreds less.
having the same battery life and kinda the same performance with a battery that is 20% bigger i wouldn't say they have caught up.... but it is a beginning, this is pretty much a "first gen" kind of product so it's far from perfect, at best it gives a bit of hopes for the future in x86 land while we wait for real world tests of qualcomm
I wonder why he thinks the battery life is the same? I have seen that none of these "sponsored" reviews has any battery life details.
Looking forwards to getting a Meteor Lake laptop for Christmas. Intel did a great job creating a laptop that is great overall.
Dave, you went really easy on Intel here :) as others have rightfully pointed out, comparing it to M2 instead of M3 feels like a cop out.
M3 ain't on the Mac Air yet and comparing a 1000 bucks integrated graphics 14" Zenbook with a Mac Pro doesn't really make sense. The M3 was a marginal improvement over its predecessor especially when it came to compute and strictly CPU workloads anyways
@@ekifishould have addressed that he was using the base m2 chip as well while comparing to the latest top of the line powerful intel ones. Kinda baffling to be honest. Not to mention, the battery size of those laptops was 50% larger than the one for the m2. Meaning the m2 base chip was twice as efficient and equally as powerful. So…. I guess long way to go for intel compared to what is implied in this video. After all, this is a video talking about the chips. So the way the video convinces 98%+ of the viewers that intel has really caught up to the m2 line is quite aaa. I’ll leave it there.
@@ekifi There are indeed many angles to this - nevertheless, my impression was that this isn't about the price of these machines, just the overall performance numbers -> Intel are touting this as the biggest leap for them in years, Dave in the title reinforces this statement, but then compares it to M2, which came out last year and has been superseded by M3. But OK, even if we stick to the M2 and disregard the existence of the M3, the numbers presented here are nothing to write home about. Just my 2 cents - I won't be buying anything anyways as I am happy with my 14" Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro purchased last year, that is running an AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (8c/16t), with 16 GB of RAM, and a 90Hz 2880x1800 IPS screen ... all of this for 800 USD. I will admit that it does not last 10+ hours as the MacBooks, but it also didn't break the bank, and the performance it offers is more than plenty for me.
For the record, Dave also had the MSI Prestige with the new intel CPU, but the only comparison he drew was that of thermals and performance between the Asus and the MSI. Mind you, the Asus also costs 1300 USD (just clicked the link in the description).
Its not the top of the line intel chip, its the core 7 not the core 9 and with the new naming convention we don't even know if he was benchmarking the top of the line core 7 there are multiple performance ranges inside the name core 7 because intel can't name things clearly especially when it comes to mobile processers. @@ZeerakImran
@@rosemariecompton that's true. Thanks for pointing that out. Nevertheless, the base m3/m2/m1 chip isn't even a pro chip. Its like an intel i3 and is used in the ipad and devices meant for office work (imac 24inch m1..). The pro chip is like the i5. Max and ultra are i7 and i9. Since this review seems so incredibly biased (and definitely deceptive), I have little reason to believe the intel chip was a low performance one chosen for comparison. If it was, I'm sure Dave would be over the moon to show that it was as well just to benefit the intel side. I like Dave a lot but mannnn. I just can't see how he uploaded this. Recorded it is fine. Uploading is a step too far. Not taking it down once the excitement wore off is aaahhh. I still like Dave but a huge red flag has just been raised for me and I have kind of lost interest for this channel. This actually really ruined it for me.
The increased iGPU performance is nice. A lot of more premium OEM chassis use Intel instead of AMD, so you can kinda sorta game well and get 780M-level performance on something dinky like a Thinkpad X1 Nano (assuming that Lenovo still commits to that design)
Just a pitty that only their high power H variants have the arc graphics...
i would have wished to get the arc graphics on the U chips for ultrabooks, but they have a different iGpu just called "Intel Graphics".. feels a bit like being fooled
well maybe some manufactures decide to put in the H chip in ultrabooks and just let it run on low wattage
I want a thin convertible ultrabook that can run games well, i guess the AMD 7040 U Chips are the way to go in that department as soon as they find their way into them.
Can't wait for Zen 5 with efficiency cores on AMD processors tho... might be better to wait for that alltogether
Thank god for this, ima need to get a laptop for college and I’m glad there’s now ones with good battery life
I tend to recommend computers based on the person's needs and what they are already familiar with. From experience that's what people are usually seeking and not so much related to power consumption or processing power. Unless you are into gaming or video production. In my time in the industry I also noticed the majority of people use their laptops plugged in. Don't feel discouraged to purchasing an older model cpu especially if you have a tight budget and what you will be using the computer for is just browsing the web, emails etc.
I disagree. My fiance had windows laptops her entire life and she finally picked up a M2 MacBook air a month ago and is extremely happy with it because of the battery life. Aside from techy people, 90% of the general population would be extremely happy with an M series apple laptop instead of a windows one.
Unless that laptop never leaves the desk (which why would you even get a laptop in the first place), then it’s still better to have an all arounder laptop with greater battery life. The more efficient the better
Dave's drip and hairstyle is on point
his hair is a mess
HeisenbergFam Do you work at RUclips? I see you everyday haha
So,Intel caught up to AMD?
No, in some ways they actually regressed. The other issue is that this is launching way later then it was supposed to. With AMDs new laptop APUs right around the corner.
They also added way faster RAM in the review units then you actually get with the laptop when you buy it. And iGPU performance is very dependent on fast RAM. So they are basically artificially boosting the iGPU performance.
I don't know much about m3 vs m2, but why not compare these new Intel chips to the newest m3 chip? Wouldn't it be a more fair fight?
They managed to catch up to the competition after years of being behind, that’s not a big moment by any means. Especially considering one of the comparible processors is 1,5 years old (and heavily based on a 3 year old one). No comparison with m3 in the video is almost too convenient.
That is quite impressive, especially thermals: if you can maintain stable performance on such a high level with this wattage and those temperatures, that means you can easily squeeze a bit more performance from those chips within the same chassis, because they could handle extra heat generated by chips when they are cranked up by few Watts. Will this be necessary for regular ol'Joe? I doubt it. But performance freaks and editors could potentially gain a bit more from those. I'm still on a market for laptop with Ryzen, but it's good to see competition catching up.
After owning the M1 MacBook pro it has become impossible for me to even consider any Intel or AMD laptop when I see their battery life is 5 hours
Read again, they can do way more than 5 hours on battery.
I literally have been struggling with this recently. My current laptop (hp spectre 15 x360) which i got in 2020 is decently powerful and comparable to a macbook pro in terms of performance but the battery life has been so bad. The equivalent spec of mac lasts about 8 hours but mine barely cracks 3hrs nowadays. ive been browsing around for a something with better battery life with similar performance but it appears that product doesnt exist on the windows side of things.
Hopefully this new chip changes things and we get some actual macbook competitors. If not i might have to join the darkside cus i tired of being worried about battery life EVERY DAY
I joined the dark side 2 years ago, with an old intel mac. It’s not an M1, but let me tell you, the software experience is something else. I was a firm windows user for the longest time, and hated apple. Then I caved and am about to upgrade to the M3 series. It’s all about personal preference, but you might want to take a look at Mac, because the windows side of things is still not looking great.
@@xyrendor I joined the dark side with an M1 Pro as well. I don't much care for Mac OS, but that battery life is actually life changing - not a big change, but it's been a bit more than just a better laptop. It rewired my brain and I'm constantly forgetting that other things need charged because I only need to charge it like once a week. I still use Windows on my desktop, hell I'd even take Linux over Mac, but I don't see myself going back on laptop any time soon.
I'm curious, why are you away from a wall socket for so long in a work day? Obviously there's plenty of jobs that aren't office based, but if I'm working on a laptop I'm probably sitting somewhere there's power.
@@hokayson6518 I'm often not near a building at all most of the day. But my work laptop is a Dell so that's kind of besides the point.
It's not that you're using your laptop where you can't charge, it's that you don't have to. I can use it for a couple hours, leave it on the couch, then use it for another couple hours a few days later. Maybe watch something while cooking. Carry to the table for something that requires more focus. All the while, never having to carry it to the office where the charger is. There are certainly outlets near all of those places, but I don't want to clutter them with wires and I don't want to have to clean up when I'm done. If I leave my work laptop with an 80% charge on Friday, by Monday it will be down to 30%; a Mac would still be at 75%. This all sounds very petty, and I suppose maybe it is, but just not having to worry about it is a lot nicer that it sounds at first.
Also, the fact that even on the Pro, the fans never have to run if you're just doing mundane web and office stuff is nice. I can set it on the mattress and watch a movie as I fall asleep and not have to worry about it overheating or the fans getting loud.
AMD 7480u was and probably is the best x86 chip for laptops. Unfortunately for consumers (and AMD) they are not offered in similar packages like Apple and Intel have ( just cpu without discreet gpu) at "affordable" price. There are maybe only 2 - 3 companies offering something like that. And it is a shame, because these are fantastic chips.
And it is shame that you @Dave2D did not mentioned this.
He is your typical Apple/Intel fanboy.
I remember watching ads on the Asus websits for this prototype back in last summer . Took a while but is finally here
Intel has NOT caught up yet! They’ve only caught up to Apple’s *previous-gen* BASE model chip (slowest, regular M2). But it’s still a huge jump for them, so you love to see it.
The M3 is in many ways worse than the M2, though.
@nicolaim4275 how so?
@@nvincenthless memory bandwidth, even higher price and the perf is under expectation.. and they still sandbagging with low memory configurations meanwhile one can find 64gb of memory for 150€ for pc-s
@@nvincenth Primarily because of memory bandwith. They decreased the rate of datatransfer between the processor and ram, resulting in worse performance for most of the M3 models available.
It's worth noting that since Ryzen 4000/5000 and Tiger Lake we really didn't had proper cheap iGPU laptops. AMD 6000 got way more expensive and Intel 12/13th low tier SKUs were still the same iGPU and not really better (U) overall. Right now we have old-gen laptops then entry level modern gaming laptops with like RTX 4050/60 and then thin and ultraportable iGPU only, often at prices equal or exceeding dGPU semi-ultraportables. You can get HP premium iGPU laptop in the same price range as Gigabyte Aero with RTX 4070 and more, or opt for LG Gram / Acer Swift Edge that are somewhat expensive but cheaper than the "premium" range while being imbalanced products (the "thinest" or "lightest" at the expense of flex, thermals and performance).
Now that AMD changed its naming system, the cheap AMD laptop option remains stuck on Zen 2 (Ryzen 7020 series) -- and it is still above 400 dollars in price, while at the same time you can buy a slightly older Ryzen 5 5600U laptop (with newer Zen 3) for the same or even less price
Ryzen 6000 series added USB4 support, and also moved away from a GCN to an RDNA GPU.
USB4 is significant because it's compatible with thunderbolt.
@@Knowbody42 6800U it's a big improvement but still not every device has USB4 - like Acer Swift Edge got it only with the refresh an with the 7840U. Either way, that's not a ~700 EUR laptop but a 1600+ EUR one :) If Intel puts their new iGPU at the 700-800EUR range then it will be a massive win for them. Especially when Intel can provide volume vs AMD mobile chips being very very rare.
Competitions always good.
Competition is always good. It forces companies like Intel to innovate and not rest on their laurels; as they had done so in the recent past. Good video mate!
I am so happy Dave got Intel's money. Really waited for this moment.
For those of us with no interest in the Apple software ecosphere it seems like a good option. 🤷♂
Great video, just an advice for the colors in the battery performance section(and in general), colorblind people have really hard time differentiating between some colors, the green colors look exactly the same for me for example, I'd recommend to use more contrasting colors
Honestly, having a chip to run neural networks makes me excited for the concept of better NPCs
man I wish they'd update the surface pro line with an oled option, idc about battery mine is plugged in all the time; I just like how it stays cool, the bottom never gets hot. I've never had a laptop that I can use on my lap and not get burned.
I know the guy from Intel that has the team that validated these chips and he told me about what is coming through near December of 2024. I think you will be impressed (and the size!). Thank you for the content!
I’d want a built in AI in the OS that can detect, prevent, diagnose and fix problems in the PC. Instead of some mysterious blue screen that flashes for a split second, this AI will straight up tell you what’s wrong and then asks for permission to carry out the necessary steps to fix it. Instead of you scouring the web forums trying to find a solution, this AI can figure out what needs to be done.
Other than fixing it for you, that's how blue screens worked before Windows 10.
You don't want an AI running behind your OS, neither is it viable technically speaking
I finally made the switch to M1 a couple months ago from Intel Core i3 and had a Core i7 desktop, my M1 MacBook Air smashes both those computers, but to be be fair, they were up there in age. I'm just hopeful that Intel won't screw up this opportunity they have and make actual performant laptops. It was just annoying to charge my last few laptops multiple times a day and having to keep them plugged in to get decent performance out of them. Ever since my switch to M1, I can actually use a laptop as a laptop, portable!
I doubt I will switch back to Intel full time since having a taste in what a Mac can do for my everyday tasks. It would be nice to maybe play bigger games that aren't available on Mac, but I doubt I'll buy another laptop just for gaming. Lastly, how is Apple...still the only SoC producer that has a straightforward naming scheme? Core Ultra...7? Intel. At least they are catching up.
I been on Apple and tried some windows but what was holding me back was the charging efficiency. hopefully they can bring similar power and efficiency to powerful laptops
Did Intel sponsor this video?
If they would’ve sponsored, he would’ve mentioned it
I think it was. The other reviews related to this new intel chip said bad things
I love how you're so honest. Both in your words and more in your emotions. It's like I imagine myself, minus your good looks, half the time in your videos. With that hair, I suspect all these tech videos shenanigans are just a stepping stone to Hollywood 😊
Yep, "caught up" makes sense.
So, how will Snapdragon Elite X fair against these?
Well, that's an arm chip. And while yes, you can argue that M series chips by Apple are arm as well, MacOS has clearly had a way better and easier transition to arm than... well whatever the mess of Windows on arm is. In an ideal world where Windows and all Windows applications had seamless translation to arm instructions, arm should be far more efficient.
@@Randomness662that right there is the blessing/curse of Windows on Intel. Loads of stuff just runs on that combo. Now the trick is to have a good enough translation app for these programs to run well on ARM. That's where Windows fails each and every time. It wasn't like this 20 years ago. Then you had multiple CPU architectures (SPARC being just one of them) that ran windows just fine. It's when Intel took over that Windows got lazy and bloated. So I hope all the Chip makers and Microsoft get their collective arse together and make a better product.
That launches mid-late 2024, it will be against Intels 15th gen Arrow lake mobile not Meteor Lake.
@@__aceofspades I'm not fluent in types of CPUs, but in which category is this Ultra chip (arrow lake mobile or Meteor (which, I presume is for higher performance))? Because, The snapdragon elite X compared itself against M2 Ultra, Intel H series, Ryzen 9 HS, so... This seem to give a run to chips that are not "mobile".
@@Randomness662 I believe that Windows didn't really have a good incentive to invest in arm apps, but this could change.
It's good to see that Intel finally is able to provide some competition in the mobile device space. I do think it's funny that Dave gave it the title of "The Biggest Moment For Laptops Since Apple's M1" when his conclusion was basically "Intel finally caught up and is now on par with the other guys". I mean, it's a good thing but is it really that big of a moment? I was honestly hoping to see better power efficiency that was actually on par with Apple silicon, or at least better than what has previously been available on x86-64, but it's not there. And while it looks like they've caught up to the MacBook Air on battery life, the reality is that they need a 42% larger battery to match Apple's here (75Whr versus 53Whr). That's more weight, more heat/longer charge times, etc. Now compare it with a 14" Pro (70Whr) or 16" Pro (100 Whr) and they're ages behind again (as is AMD). Is the only way to get us on parity with Apple going to be to wait for a powerful enough Qualcomm chip?
But you get a 3K 120 Hz oled display, not a 60 Hz LCD display, probably uses more battery. Also you dont have to spend CRAZY amount of money to upgrade to 16gb or 512 ssd... this Asus is 16gb/512gb BASE specs.
By the way on CineBench 23, you get 10437 at 22 Watts for the M3, the Ryzen is just a hair behind 13450 at 30 Watts.
I think Dave just wanted his video title to stand out as much as possible among the other intel videos lol. I don't think x86 will ever surpass ARM in terms of efficiency just because they're so different. Even then, if x86 is about 2/3 as efficient as the M2, you're still looking at a 6-8hr battery which is definitely usable, just not exceptional. Keep in mind the Zenbook also has a very nice but very power inefficient oled display. The Zenbook is also a tiny bit lighter than the MB air, which I assume is because of a weaker chassis. For people like me who are stuck on the Windows ecosystem for the foreseeable future, Intel's new offering is a much needed and appreciated upgrade. And people who invested in a MacBook are assured they made a good investment. I'll definitely keep my eye on that Qualcomm chip tho
This might be Intel "zen moment", I remember in 2017 when AMD Zen1 came out, and most people were disappointed, but it's kinda like this with completely new architectures, I think Intel could go big in a couple of iteration on this new architecture.
Nice touch dressing for the laptops' colours 😉 also I love the lid design on the smaller one 😍
Dave's hair looked like the back portion was an add-on
😂 exactly
Agree😂
I can't wait to see qualcomm's Oryon chip in laptops
I hope windows for arm would be well optimized and ready by then 👀
Because i have a feeling that chip could have a higher impact (since it's an arm architecture) so power efficiency would be even better
it's good to that they kept the x86 architecture and aren't going the ARM route, those apple ARM chips are pretty
good but my heart is x86 all day everyday
why?
what? talk about stockholm syndrome
@@shk_huz😂💯
I was also hoping that theyd be better with the way Intel was hyping Meteor Lake up. I'm happy that they caught up to the competition finally but I'm disappointed that they just caught up and didn't really exceed anywhere. They leveled the playing field but they didn't elevate it like M1 did when it first came out.
Almost 4 years and we are still not over M1. Blows my mind
For some reason I have a MacBook air, MacBook pro and an iPad all M1 based.
Your graphs were a bit "uncomfortable" to read, i had to pause the video to get a good look. Can you just annotate into the graphs and make them bigger so its seasy to compare fast : ) ?
Huge leap for Intel in years=catch up with last gen AMD
Would have liked M3 performance too
M3 is just 10% upgrade to M2. I'm still on M1PRO 16 inches, that's how good M1 is. Now Intel has caught up with M2, that's even more good, I will be switching back to windows. Apple community is full of amateur reviewers that certified 8gb ram in a pro laptop. You can never see such in Windows community, we don't take nonsense..
@@obvinpro So it's 10% upgrade to Intel's new chip, isn't it? I mean, I think so, I'd like to see the benchmarks
@@paulooliveiracastro I would say yes from the benchmarks I've seen, but the benchmark results are allover the place.
dude no way you have long hair now?!
It's been a while since iv seen your videos.
greatvid
4:20 that’s even not an cpu’s fault, is the built in browser and its efficency, aswell as stock bloated windows with unnecesary background processes running
What? How is this the title. AMD’s 4nm chips were way more impressive at launch than Meteor Lake is right now.
Wait… these laptops were put against an older air cooled Apple M2 chip? I wonder how’d they fair against a MacBook Pro with active cooling. And the battery size the air cooled Apple machine is smaller than the x86 based model, not to mention that they’re “trading blows” with an older Apple M2 chip… something isn’t right.
You missed one of the major elements, which is -- HOW DOES THE CPU DOWNCLOCK on battery??
It's been a major factor that benchmarks show one thing plugged in, but mac's cpu doesn't do the drastic downclocking that intel CPUs do on battery.
Hey Dave,
I love your video’s.
Thank you for your time making this one.
This time though, I would have thought you put a question mark in the title of the video.
Your comparison on battery life proves that the previous generation of Apple’s processors is almost double as efficient.
Please, anyone, correct me if I’m wrong:
The MacBook Air with M2 (previous generation) and a LCD screen, plays Netflix for the same duration as the Zenbook 14 with the new gen Intel cpu, an OLED screen and a battery that’s almost 50%(!) bigger.
Maybe shortsighted people will call me an Apple fan boy, but look at the numbers..
If Intel and AMD keep going like this, Apple can chill and release a MacBook Air SE in 2026 with an OLED screen, M5 processor and 16gb of RAM and still have no competition on having an efficient processor.
On another note:
Can someone point me in the right direction for a windows laptop that has the same standby time as a recent MacBook?
The windows laptops that I owned and currently own always lose their charge when not in use. I already disabled everything that can sip energy from the battery when the device is off or in standby but nothing comes close to the standby time that I had on a M1 MacBook Air I had to sell.
Thanks in advance, and have a great one!
i never thought this dude would have long haircut, he seems clean, tidy, neat, simple minimalist kinda guy
Why are you still comparing to M2 when M3 is out. And which M2 are you comparing?
AI on chip is super needed now. i.e for graphics designers, photoshop, Illustrator, premiere ... this will accelerate workflow a lot.
It's time to change the channel photo for one with this glorious hair
With an education discount during back-to-school or holiday sales, you can get an Apple M1 MacBook Air for around $750. Any intel laptop with comparable performance to the M1 chip will be MUCH more expensive. Worth considering.
"They've just caught up." is how we felt about Apple for years, and it is still the thing to say when it comes to iPhones, ffs they only recently made the switch to Type-C and only because they were literally forced to, and they're still intentionally using older standards in their "non-Pro" products, and I mean they were the ones to aggressively eliminate all other ports from their MacBooks for Type-C, even iPads, "Innovation".
I was so close to opening up my brand new Surface Pro 9 but I hesitated and kept looking at reviews for laptops. This will be slightly cheaper than a Surface Pro 9 here in Canada. Insane. I'm returning my Surface tomorrow. The Zenbook actually has ports. Also it looks like the only model you can get on the Canadian site right now is the Ultra 5 processor which is strange.
Very clear and honest 👌 great passion in your explanations avoiding the " excessive " stand up comedy " RUclips syndrome and language.👍
The reason the macbook are so efficient is because not only is the hardware apple, but the software is also apple, and on top they only release like 3 laptops each year so the chips can be optimized fully for them where as these chips have to cater to a wide range of laptop configurations.
Optimizes software chips is too overhyped.
If you google m1 freezes shows its not as optimized as it sounds.
@@Teluric2 still a lot better than windows laptop. it can deliver full power without being plugged in
Surely catching up in and of itself is an enormous achievement. It sets up Intel to compete on level footing with Apple in the years ahead but with all the benefits Windows has over Mac OS (for those who prefer Windows).
I’m always amazed by how hard it is for companies like Asus and MSI in this case to design a proper laptop. It always feels cheaply build with plastic, and the track pad is not even in the middle! Apple makes a metal/aluminum laptop, with a solid feel and a trackpad in the middle.
You can literally cut Dave's outer hair surrounding his face and it would look like a regular haircut :D
Dave, you won't get that kind of vibe like the M1 announcement because right now intel is a company that is so passive, and need to only move forward when he's intimidated from behind.