I didn't have to pay for the Steam version, but I'll definitely buy the Switch version at launch this week. I can't wait to play flick stick on an actual Switch! If you're keen to get the game on PC, or you want to help them get some well-deserved recognition, wishlist Boomerang X on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/1170060/Boomerang_X/
Still a huge shame that ratchet and clank doesn't even have gyro, let alone flick stick One of the main developers said thay they weren't interested in adding that and just really wanted to focus on the adaptive triggers
@@teneesh3376 Yeah, It's a real shame. That's why I'm thankful for Valve for implementing gyro, flick stick, and other controller features at a universal level through the Steam client, cause realistically, most developers are not going to implement gyro or flick stick into their game.
@Gyro Gaming thank you for creating this videos and I am on your site. My first game with Gyro Aiming was the upcoming free 2 play title Enlisted on Playstation 5. This game allows the usage of "Gyro-Aiming" natively and it works great. Because I enjoyed that so much I also tried other titles on PC because on Playstation there aren't many titles available that support Gyro-aiming on "shooter / first person shooter" natively. I am also a big Battlefield fan, so I suggest the implanation of Gyro-aiming for Battlefield 2042. I did this on the german offical EA answers forum aswell on the english EA answers forum. While on the english one I didn't explained well at least for the moment, I was successfull on the german one so that an EA Community Manager approved it and will send it as feedback directly to the Developers. Why is that important? It is important because if huge games like Battlefield will offer such things, Gyro Aiming will become more and more accessible in games in general even on console. It's also important because Crossplay becomes more and more available in games so it is a good way to reduce the gap between "mouse-aiming" and "controller-aiming" by the implemantation of "stick+gyro-aiming". link: answers.ea.com/t5/Allgemeine-Diskussion/Battlefield-2042-Vorschlag-Gyro-Zielfunktion-fur-Controller/m-p/10551625#M367
That's great! I've heard good things about Enlisted, but I don't yet have a PS5. And I'm so glad you're giving developers feedback. I agree, a big cross-platform game like Battlefield 2042 embracing gyro aiming could be really influential!
Ive been loving the increased love towards Gyro Aim the last couple years. Definitely needs to be fully embraced on console. I love it so much. The one thing i commonly see for players that turn away from gyro aim is the "motion sickness" or the fact they are jittery when holding the controller. An idea i had that could be interesting to help remedy this is the implementation of "Deadzones" in gyro aiming. The way I would look into creating this is based on similarities to dpi on mice for PC. Gyro aiming is similar to those "ball" mice where you rotate a ball to look around except now youre holding that ball in your hands directly. Make a setting so that the first amount of "dots" in dpi are considered the "deadzone." In other words, you have to move the controller beyond that deadzone to actually get the cursor to move on screen. It does not need to be much--literally on the 360 degree plane, just make the first 2% a deadzone. Just enough to curb out maybe 50% of the jitterness that players have with motion controls but not noticeable when players need to actually aim with gyro. Now controllers dont have a "base" point to go back to like analog sticks do. So this deadzones relative location would be updated periodically. For example, every 1 second when the controller is in a close to stationary position, the deadzone sets itself in the 3D world the controller exists in. It could also be fine tuned to have the deadzone work individually per x, y, and z axis-- in other words if a player is very slightly moving up with gyro aim, x-axis deadzone kicks in to prevent left and right jitters. Of course, in fast paced games like Halo, these deadzones would not be active all to often since a player is most likely continuously moving. But take a game like Days Gone (that has Gyro Aim) where you are sniping a very long distance, that minor deadzone implementation could help players become more steady on very fine aiming. Again, the deadzone application only needs to be very minor. Literally 1 to 2 degrees around the controllers' center point is all that needs to be as a deadzone to probably take out 50% of those jitters. Whats your thoughts?
The motion sickness issue is a good call-out. Thanks for the thoughtful comment! I personally strongly dislike deadzones. They take away important responsiveness. It's still good to provide the option, but here are some other options games can also provide: 1. Tightening - a threshold below which sensitivity is pushed down towards zero; 2. Soft tiered smoothing - smoothing that only applies to small movements without slowing down quick intentional movements. Both of these are explained in more depth on GyroWiki
@@JibbSmartGD ooh interesting. Those are good. Ive been loving yours and some of the other gyro using youtuber videos. Theyve been very well done. I really hope it starts taking off! Been messing with it in Days Gone and The Last of Us 2 on PS5. Far from perfect in those games (sensitivity is way too low for my taste along with some other nuisances) but its still 100x better than stick aiming. And i would say im quite good at most shooters on console so that really tells me something if it feels like a major upgrade lol. Just wished a popular PvP game had it to practice with on PS5 outside of Paladins. But the intuitive feedback from gyro aiming reminds me so much of when i use to play on PC a lot. Hoping to see the "re-release" of Cyberpunk 2077 on PS5 incorporate a decent Gyro Aim option. Also, have you tested gyro aim with "drive-by shooting" styles on GTA? Curious to see how solid controlling a vehicle while aiming to shoot would be. Theoretically, i would think it would be superior to Keyboard and Mouse since you get the best of stick driving plus aiming from the mouse put into 1 package. Anyways, keep up the hard work! Hope to see this method of aiming explode for the new method of controls.
This is fantastic. Though without supporting the steam input api, you would need to turn it off if you want to use this I assume. I would love to see them natively support it. So that we can get the best controller configurations and saving different controller configs. But this still makes me beyond happy
I love your work. It doesn't get nearly enough exposure and recognition - you're doing what allegedly best and brightest at multibillion-dollar corporations can't even begin to imagine in their wildest dreams. This is should've been implemented in every game since at least 2019 as a standard, not alternative control scheme. It's more intuitive, more precise and just works better. Keep fighting and we will keep spreading the message!
@@JibbSmartGD I feel like Steam Deck will be fertile ground to kick it off. Just need to make process idiot-proof and provide presets for games so people can try them out. As it is people are asking "what do you use back buttons for", like... bruh.... 😂
@@JibbSmartGD Having options is great but unless the setting is promoted and available to try out of the box, most people will never bother. We're lazy creatures and customising controls is a tedious process, especially if you don't exactly know what you're going for and what will feel good in actual gameplay. Best we can hope for is that community control schemes will get wider recognition among average gamer and that in said selection there will be rock solid base to try out (and then tweak as necessary).
I have been playing a lot with gyro since last year. I found that touching touch pad to disable the gyro is a really convenient way to play. I can easily rest either one of my thumb on the pad and adjust accordingly.
I loved the demo for this and was going to hold off for a sale (I'm just not the type to buy games day 1), but once I saw you announce post that it has flick stick and good gyro built in, I decided I'm going to pick it up right away on PC, and hold out for probably a physical copy on Switch.
Do you have any recommendations for split hand gyro controllers for PC apart from Joy Cons? My wrist gets sore when playing Gyro heavy games with a normal controller from the level of wrist contortion I have to do to play with a motion sensitivity that feels natural to me. Having split hands would be so much better so I could move my arm and wrist with way more freedom.
I've only tried Joy-Cons myself. I find I lose too much accuracy with split controllers, but I see the appeal. People seem to like Razer Hydra (as Pawel Styrna recommended), but I don't know how hard it is to get these days.
I like the game! But I also like those joyshock overlay. Perhaps before public release you want to add customization feature/guide, as simple as recolor or retexture?
Oh sadly it doesn't work well with steamdeck. Seems there is a mismatch with gyro detection. Probably I'm doing it wrong, thought this would be a good game to get into Flickstick. Maybe a good video idea to revisit this game with steamdeck and steam input after a year?
That's a pity :( Steam Deck's built-in settings are pretty versatile, though. Should still be doable. I don't think I'll have time to do a video myself
I just finished doom eternal with flick stick (ds4windows). First fast paced FPS and I wouldn't have enjoyed it with normal gamepad control. ( will play at nightmare difficulty next time ^^)
It looks great! I'm very interested in it, and it could have a big influence on what people expect from gyro controls. I think handheld isn't the best for gyro gaming, though, and I hope no one disregards gyro with an actual controller
Why is this feature not widely spread? I don't get it, I mean these gyroscopes have been in controllers for ages! What is going on here? Gyro aiming and flick sticks could be great on consoles.
which software you use in the order to make those controllers to work ? I was thinking because to create bindings for scratch is very difficult that maybe is better idea to use i 3rd software for my questions is this software you are using is software like this or just i software the remapping you keyboard keys to the controller keys ? i need i software that have full customization to support multiple input and to have the option to by able to give the game information in the order to know what each button does and if it has unity assets i will by event better
What are your thoughts in the steam controller Jibb? I got mine like 4 years ago and it's pretty much my go to input for every single PC game i play, it was the device that introduced me to Gyro and i got good enough with it to play competitive FPSs at a semi-pro level. Would love to hear your thoughts on it, especially considering the Steam Deck is pretty much using the SC 2.0 design on it.
I'm a big fan of the Steam Controller :) Valve has done a lot to push games forwards, and the SC was a big part of that. My channel focuses on standard console controllers since there's so much potential there already, but I'd like to see more lessons taken from the SC for future controllers. In particular, I'm really interested in how the Steam Deck's sticks are touch sensitive. There's so much that can be done with that, and I'm sure it'll be standard on consoles in future generations.
If you make the gyro y axis inverted than go to button mapping and turn off the up down motion of right analog stick you can make the game play exactly like splatoon 2
This game looks good. I'm gonna try it in the future. Also, you said that this is the best gyro aiming you've seen in a game. Just out of curiosity have you tried TLOU 2 gyro aiming? It's one of the best I tried.
I'd love to give it a go, but I don't have a PlayStation. It looks well-suited to it. Only thing I've heard is that the sensitivity slider doesn't go high enough?
@@David_Onyx What does that 10 represent in real world sensitivity, though? It looked to me from a video that a 10 isn't much more than a real world 1, but there are lots of players who prefer 2-4, some even as high as 6 or 8.
Hi Jib, because you can move and tilt a single joycon much more freely than you can a standard controller. you might wanna try turning the gyro sensitivity waaay down on the joycon. that way you'll have loads more precision.
Hi! I've done this in other games, and lose all the benefit of the extra freedom of movement, so I much prefer playing with two-handed controllers like in this video
This looks like the perfect aim trainer for flick stick, especially for people who are mainly switch users. I really can't wait to pick it up sometime on switch because I haven't really played a game on switch with "great" gyro on there.
Honestly,I love gyro aiming but it seems every game that does happen to have it does it differently so it's very hard to practice and ever since I got gyro fever I've been dying to play more games with good gyro
@@legocodzilla2709 the main issue I have with gyro is on console, so many games have a lot of issues with it. Fortnite has acceleration on its gyro with no way to disable it, used to have a huge deadzone but that was changed a lot. Apex and Paladins has gyro (Paladins has it on ps4 too) but it has smootbing, acceleration and a deadzone which leads to a clunky, floaty unresponsive feeling for the most part especially if you have a high sensitivity. The best games on switch that do it are Doom 2016, Boomerang X and fortnite but besides boomerang X each of them have their own issues with it. If you want great perfect gyro, right now PC is the best option until it gets better for console. A few games I'd reccomend is old Call Of Duty, Counter Strike or Valorant. Quake and Doom. And maybe on the rail shooters if you find any like old House of the Dead ports.
@@cravenmarigold7750 you have no idea how happy I am rn to hear someone say that back to me I've been saying this for months and feel like I'm talking to walls
@@legocodzilla2709 when people bring up these issues a lot of people say theres nothing wrong with them. I notice most of the complains come from people who've used it both on console and pc and the people who dismiss it have only tried it on console. So the people who say the gyro is fine don't notice how bad it is because they haven't tried better gyro. On PC its quite literally an night and day difference, overwhelming so. I think if you showed switch or PlayStation players the gyro on PC for just a day, they would notice a lot of issues with console gyro immediately, it just feels much more worse and usually more unresponsive.
@@cravenmarigold7750 it really depends on the game aswell ,tho I can't say anything for PC gyro I can't get it to work it seems lol I keep having issues with it doing something weird for any game I try
Just picked this game up and have been having a lot of fun with it, native flick stick is amazing as I don’t have to get it calibrated myself, and it seems to be very consistent when it’s built into the game itself. Sadly I seem to be having a issue where the game drifts the aim down and to the right constantly, which doesn’t happen when I try playing other games with gyro so it doesn’t seem to be my controller.
@@JibbSmartGD Yeah, sadly that didn’t seem to work. Steam itself has auto calibration, and I’ve done that in other games and it always fixes it, but it seems like this game doesn’t so I unfortunately had to switch to an outside source for gyro aim. It seems like it has to be something with the game as I’ve quit out, played other games, shut off my PC, and when I came back to this game the drift is not only still there, but it drifts the exact same amount and in the same direction.
Quick question, can a gyro mouse or air mouse be an alternative choice for joycon? I only like joycon because it gives you a choice to play it like a vr gun, or a mouse, without having to use your left arm or non dominant arm to aim, kinda like wii, But joycons are expensive as hell
Hello, how do you display the movements of the virtual controller on the screen? I occasionally stream and would like to use this tool if possible. Thank you :)
It's a program I made a while ago but never got it ready for public release, unfortunately. But if you search for "3D controller overlay" there's at least one popular alternative out there :)
I think that should be possible. With JoyShockMapper or Steam, you can set up flick stick on either stick, and it should work fine at the same time as regular keyboard and mouse.
Pro Controller doesn't work, I'm disappointed, I know you mention it but it's very sad that such a feature is supported only for one type of controller
It'll include all of Steam's input customisation options, definitely including gyro and almost certainly including flick stick :) It should be possible to get JoyShockMapper working on it, too. I'd love to give it a go as soon as it comes out, but probably won't do a video on it until I can try it myself.
How do you have negative inputs equate to something? “ZL: false” I want it to where every time I let go of the L2 button to revert to a specific configuration/sensitivity.
You can use the '/' modifier for when the button is released: ZL = "GYRO_SENS = 2"/ But if you want to gave the sensitivity or something only different while ZL is pressed and then revert when it's released, this is the usual way to do it: ZL,GYRO_SENS = 1
@@JibbSmartGD Thank you for the tip, but how you do have it to where it switches to another configuration every time I let go of the L2 button once? I use the (ZL,R3 = “GryoConfigs/….”) command to switch to a higher sensitivity while aiming, but with this command: ZL = “GyroConfigs/RandomTextFile.txt”/ It takes 2 releases of the L2 trigger for the command to switch to another configuration. (PS: I’m currently using the 2.2.0 version of JoyShockMapper)
It's a very impressive software. Will Joyshock be able to work with third party gyro controllers or will they strictly have to be with Playstation and other official company controllers? Because due to the pandemic, I only have access to online shopping and options may be limited.
It only "officially" supports gyro with official PlayStation (4/5) and Switch controllers, but many third party controllers present as official controllers and just work. I can't say which ones, though
the gyro in game is completely unusable, it doesnt have any way to calibrate your gyro, so most people will have contant drift. cant wait for the first game to actually support flick stick
0:15 yeah that was a lie + they never fixed the switch version, the developers did you dirty, unlucky, please don't support this game guys, the gyro drifts because there's no kind of calibration (it's really bad drift too, I'd rather have smoothing like in Splatoon), and the flick stick is forced at the outer ring and jitters a lot, so if you like to rotate the stick, then you're sol
They did fix the Switch version, only in the last few months, though, I think. I haven't encountered the drift you're talking about -- which is lucky for me, I guess. Hopefully the devs will be open to some kind of calibration solution. Rotating the stick has worked fine for me, but it's been a while since I've played it. I don't mind a little jitter, but it's certainly better to smooth that out with small/slow rotations.
@@JibbSmartGD yeah I know the issues aren't a big deal but for how prestigious the game is supposed to be, those little things can't fly imo, they're just being lazy. And they said they won't fix the drift because gyro isn't as good as mouse so it's bottom priority
@@idkrossplay Yeah, where did they say that? The game is a big deal because there is some really basic stuff that up until last year almost no one was getting right. To have a sensitivity scale with good range, resolution, and meaningful numbers was basically unheard of. To have a gyro off button that isn't tied to a specific aim mode was brand new as far as I know. And I've been asking devs to do those absolute basics for ages. And native flick stick months before any other game did it is obviously a big deal.
@@JibbSmartGD I asked Sam when he was streaming when they planned to fix the drift on the gyro, that's when he told me. I don't remember his exact words but it was something like "gyro and flick stick is cool for gamepads but it still isn't as good as mouse, that's why we have a 'balanced for controller' difficulty. Because of that, fixing gyro is at the bottom of our priorities" They only got all those things right because you asked them to add all of it, and I'm pretty sure they only agreed so you would advertise their game. I'd consider if they asked you for help but I know they probably didn't since they don't even care about the gyro controls
@@idkrossplay Gotcha. Well, I didn't ask them to put flick stick in. They were thinking about gyro and someone recommended one of my articles to them. Sam has been really positive about the importance of gyro (and flick stick) on controller ( www.pcgamer.com/boomerang-x-brings-gamepad-control-closer-to-mouse-aim-more-than-ever/ ), but I suppose that doesn't change that controller itself isn't a high priority for them.
30 fps, and last I played there were some issues with both flick stick and gyro, but I haven't gone back to it on Switch in a long time. PC is definitely my preferred way to play Boomerang X
I was trying to use the steam flick stick configs since it came out but it's too janky. Ill try to buy a ps5 dual sense or ps4 dual shock so i could use jsm to use the flickstick... Steam imput is soo good for other things like menus and orders... Its a shame
Thank you Thank you Thanks a lot for making this program. I love this program I love playing GTA 5 and it's like shooting and driving game in one. I want to assign joyshockmapper in such a way that if I press the right stick, the gyro gets it is assigned to it and I can drive using the gyro. And when I have to shoot, I would press the left stick and gyro would then control the mouse (or aim) Please help. I don't know how to assign the gyro to right stick for driving.
trust my i really wanted to make i advances button customization on my game but how to create everything by my own is not easy task right now i have to make player damage, input system , scores Manger , player animation, network with lan and online, and top off i get 0 money for the game im working and i don't have team im not sure if ever released that game this game is very complicated to make and the become more complex wean as it progresses instead to by easier for my to make
I wonder if this game has a tutorial for flick stick. Cause it is amazing, but most people will try it, and switch back to more traditional control schemes A tutorial would help them ease into it
You seriously need to contact the higher ups at Xbox and tell them to input gyro aiming in their controllers their the only company that is holding console players back from competing with pc players
They have a demo available on Steam right now, for Windows. I wonder if the DS4 support works on Linux via Proton as well. Edit: others have already commented that the demo doesn't currently support motion controls. I guess that's it for now.
@@Ryochan7Thanks for letting everyone know that you're a lowlife troll in your channel description. Saves everyone the hassle of figuring out whether your hatred is borne of ignorance or malice.
Its a bad thing for PC players because the closest I can get in this game to my sensitivity is 37% away from where it needs to be! How can they have so much work put into input just to have the worst sensitivity options of any give ive ever seen in my entire life by other a factor of 10? 10! Ive never seen a discrepancy over 3%. Much less 30!
Mouse. Well. Preferably 12.523 in/360 at 1200 DPI. The closest I can get to that with the settings being integer only is 37% off at 17.1429 Aka a 4 inch difference. 4 INCHES. Yeah. Not acceptable. I can't fucking play the game that way. If I bump it up even the smallest amount the difference is even bigger. one decimal would make a huge difference. 0.14 is 12.25. For a game with as little precision required, thats not too bad. But I have to pick between 17 inches or 8 inches. And I want 12.
I didn't have to pay for the Steam version, but I'll definitely buy the Switch version at launch this week. I can't wait to play flick stick on an actual Switch!
If you're keen to get the game on PC, or you want to help them get some well-deserved recognition, wishlist Boomerang X on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/1170060/Boomerang_X/
difficulty settings based on input device sounds really great, this game is doing so many things right it's incredible
Huge win for accesibility, Lets hope we see the trend get set!
Still a huge shame that ratchet and clank doesn't even have gyro, let alone flick stick
One of the main developers said thay they weren't interested in adding that and just really wanted to focus on the adaptive triggers
@@teneesh3376 Emulation i our only hope! Or rewasd to ps5
@@teneesh3376 Yeah, It's a real shame. That's why I'm thankful for Valve for implementing gyro, flick stick, and other controller features at a universal level through the Steam client, cause realistically, most developers are not going to implement gyro or flick stick into their game.
@@Kevin-sl3gk I'm comfortable in holding gun to their heads for encouragement. These AMAZING new features were ignored for far too long.
I see build in gyro support -> added to the wishlist
I grew up aiming with motion controls so playing like this is even more comfortable to me than playing witj just the sticks, it's just fantastic
What consoles/devices did you grow up playing/using?
@@muizzsiddique A wild guess on my part would say Wii.
Damn! AND it comes out on my birthday?!?!
Are these devs my dad? If so, come home I miss you.
I think you mean Dang!
i just downloaded the demo from steam, it missing the gyro options´s settings :(, maybe on full release
I tried demo on steam, motion controls are not in for some reason.
Yep, total turnoff.
Glad to see you return with an awesome video! I'm looking forward to more content on this channel
Buying this game because of this alone! This is a huge step for making gyro aim as an option standard!
@Gyro Gaming thank you for creating this videos and I am on your site. My first game with Gyro Aiming was the upcoming free 2 play title Enlisted on Playstation 5. This game allows the usage of "Gyro-Aiming" natively and it works great. Because I enjoyed that so much I also tried other titles on PC because on Playstation there aren't many titles available that support Gyro-aiming on "shooter / first person shooter" natively.
I am also a big Battlefield fan, so I suggest the implanation of Gyro-aiming for Battlefield 2042.
I did this on the german offical EA answers forum aswell on the english EA answers forum. While on the english one I didn't explained well at least for the moment, I was successfull on the german one so that an EA Community Manager approved it and will send it as feedback directly to the Developers.
Why is that important?
It is important because if huge games like Battlefield will offer such things, Gyro Aiming will become more and more accessible in games in general even on console. It's also important because Crossplay becomes more and more available in games so it is a good way to reduce the gap between "mouse-aiming" and "controller-aiming" by the implemantation of "stick+gyro-aiming".
link: answers.ea.com/t5/Allgemeine-Diskussion/Battlefield-2042-Vorschlag-Gyro-Zielfunktion-fur-Controller/m-p/10551625#M367
That's great! I've heard good things about Enlisted, but I don't yet have a PS5. And I'm so glad you're giving developers feedback. I agree, a big cross-platform game like Battlefield 2042 embracing gyro aiming could be really influential!
I want to see a full playthrough of Quake in Nightmare difficulty with this, please make it happen, I'd really love to watch it.
Gyro use pronation and supination of forearm. So more muscle = more fine motor control = crazy flick
By that logic, by the time we see controllers be widely used in esports all the players will be bodybuilders
Nice to see you again Jibb!
Im absolutely obsessed.
Ive been loving the increased love towards Gyro Aim the last couple years. Definitely needs to be fully embraced on console. I love it so much.
The one thing i commonly see for players that turn away from gyro aim is the "motion sickness" or the fact they are jittery when holding the controller. An idea i had that could be interesting to help remedy this is the implementation of "Deadzones" in gyro aiming.
The way I would look into creating this is based on similarities to dpi on mice for PC. Gyro aiming is similar to those "ball" mice where you rotate a ball to look around except now youre holding that ball in your hands directly. Make a setting so that the first amount of "dots" in dpi are considered the "deadzone." In other words, you have to move the controller beyond that deadzone to actually get the cursor to move on screen. It does not need to be much--literally on the 360 degree plane, just make the first 2% a deadzone. Just enough to curb out maybe 50% of the jitterness that players have with motion controls but not noticeable when players need to actually aim with gyro.
Now controllers dont have a "base" point to go back to like analog sticks do. So this deadzones relative location would be updated periodically. For example, every 1 second when the controller is in a close to stationary position, the deadzone sets itself in the 3D world the controller exists in. It could also be fine tuned to have the deadzone work individually per x, y, and z axis-- in other words if a player is very slightly moving up with gyro aim, x-axis deadzone kicks in to prevent left and right jitters.
Of course, in fast paced games like Halo, these deadzones would not be active all to often since a player is most likely continuously moving. But take a game like Days Gone (that has Gyro Aim) where you are sniping a very long distance, that minor deadzone implementation could help players become more steady on very fine aiming.
Again, the deadzone application only needs to be very minor. Literally 1 to 2 degrees around the controllers' center point is all that needs to be as a deadzone to probably take out 50% of those jitters.
Whats your thoughts?
The motion sickness issue is a good call-out. Thanks for the thoughtful comment! I personally strongly dislike deadzones. They take away important responsiveness. It's still good to provide the option, but here are some other options games can also provide:
1. Tightening - a threshold below which sensitivity is pushed down towards zero;
2. Soft tiered smoothing - smoothing that only applies to small movements without slowing down quick intentional movements.
Both of these are explained in more depth on GyroWiki
@@JibbSmartGD ooh interesting. Those are good. Ive been loving yours and some of the other gyro using youtuber videos. Theyve been very well done. I really hope it starts taking off! Been messing with it in Days Gone and The Last of Us 2 on PS5. Far from perfect in those games (sensitivity is way too low for my taste along with some other nuisances) but its still 100x better than stick aiming. And i would say im quite good at most shooters on console so that really tells me something if it feels like a major upgrade lol. Just wished a popular PvP game had it to practice with on PS5 outside of Paladins.
But the intuitive feedback from gyro aiming reminds me so much of when i use to play on PC a lot. Hoping to see the "re-release" of Cyberpunk 2077 on PS5 incorporate a decent Gyro Aim option.
Also, have you tested gyro aim with "drive-by shooting" styles on GTA? Curious to see how solid controlling a vehicle while aiming to shoot would be. Theoretically, i would think it would be superior to Keyboard and Mouse since you get the best of stick driving plus aiming from the mouse put into 1 package.
Anyways, keep up the hard work! Hope to see this method of aiming explode for the new method of controls.
Good thing I found this video when the game is on sale. I already secured my copy!
This is fantastic. Though without supporting the steam input api, you would need to turn it off if you want to use this I assume.
I would love to see them natively support it. So that we can get the best controller configurations and saving different controller configs.
But this still makes me beyond happy
This makes me so happy
I love your work. It doesn't get nearly enough exposure and recognition - you're doing what allegedly best and brightest at multibillion-dollar corporations can't even begin to imagine in their wildest dreams. This is should've been implemented in every game since at least 2019 as a standard, not alternative control scheme. It's more intuitive, more precise and just works better. Keep fighting and we will keep spreading the message!
Thanks for the kind words! We'll get there eventually if we keep pushing!
@@JibbSmartGD I feel like Steam Deck will be fertile ground to kick it off. Just need to make process idiot-proof and provide presets for games so people can try them out. As it is people are asking "what do you use back buttons for", like... bruh.... 😂
@@Micromation Yeah, the Steam Deck could really change things! They're working on improving the control customisation even further, I think
@@JibbSmartGD Having options is great but unless the setting is promoted and available to try out of the box, most people will never bother. We're lazy creatures and customising controls is a tedious process, especially if you don't exactly know what you're going for and what will feel good in actual gameplay. Best we can hope for is that community control schemes will get wider recognition among average gamer and that in said selection there will be rock solid base to try out (and then tweak as necessary).
Yeah, good defaults make a world of difference, and I usually encourage my clients to explore gyro enabled by default
I have been playing a lot with gyro since last year. I found that touching touch pad to disable the gyro is a really convenient way to play. I can easily rest either one of my thumb on the pad and adjust accordingly.
I loved the demo for this and was going to hold off for a sale (I'm just not the type to buy games day 1), but once I saw you announce post that it has flick stick and good gyro built in, I decided I'm going to pick it up right away on PC, and hold out for probably a physical copy on Switch.
This is amazing, I wonder if you'd be up to doing a review if Rouge Company's gyro contols
This is awesome 🔥 Can't wait to play it!
ooooh boi! here comes Jibb!
Do you have any recommendations for split hand gyro controllers for PC apart from Joy Cons? My wrist gets sore when playing Gyro heavy games with a normal controller from the level of wrist contortion I have to do to play with a motion sensitivity that feels natural to me. Having split hands would be so much better so I could move my arm and wrist with way more freedom.
Not exacly gyro but magnet sensor (very accurate) Razer Hydra
I've only tried Joy-Cons myself. I find I lose too much accuracy with split controllers, but I see the appeal. People seem to like Razer Hydra (as Pawel Styrna recommended), but I don't know how hard it is to get these days.
WOW.
LETS GOOOOOO
Bought it because of this video (and overwhelming positive on steam and good RPS review)
I didn't know this got flick stick let's go
1 year later, still waiting for JoyStickOverlay to be released. The suspense.
Why didn't the developers just support Steam Input API? That way we would have support for all gyro enabled controllers out of the box.
I like the game! But I also like those joyshock overlay. Perhaps before public release you want to add customization feature/guide, as simple as recolor or retexture?
I'm totally going to try this game!
Jibb I hope Sony hires you. They need it. Days Gone and TLOU2 need an update bad. They need your wisdom.
This is great!
Let's go!!
Oh sadly it doesn't work well with steamdeck. Seems there is a mismatch with gyro detection. Probably I'm doing it wrong, thought this would be a good game to get into Flickstick.
Maybe a good video idea to revisit this game with steamdeck and steam input after a year?
That's a pity :( Steam Deck's built-in settings are pretty versatile, though. Should still be doable. I don't think I'll have time to do a video myself
I wonder if finding the gyro on the steam deck to the mouse would be an ok way to substitute the lack of native gyro detection in the game itself
Will joyshock mapping support the valve steam deck? would be amazing to use gyro and flick stick on it.
Gyro and flick stick will be possible through Steam's input settings. But we'll look into having JSM work on the Steam Deck, too :)
I just finished doom eternal with flick stick (ds4windows). First fast paced FPS and I wouldn't have enjoyed it with normal gamepad control. ( will play at nightmare difficulty next time ^^)
Can't wait for JoyShockOverlay!
So the Switch Pro Controller isn’t supported for the PC version?
I didn't try it myself, but I'd say probably not.
@@JibbSmartGD You don't suppose they used JoyShockLibrary, did they?
@@majorgnu They're not using JSL, but that would've been cool :)
Would be really cool to hear ur take on the steam deck
It looks great! I'm very interested in it, and it could have a big influence on what people expect from gyro controls. I think handheld isn't the best for gyro gaming, though, and I hope no one disregards gyro with an actual controller
Why is this feature not widely spread? I don't get it, I mean these gyroscopes have been in controllers for ages! What is going on here? Gyro aiming and flick sticks could be great on consoles.
which software you use in the order to make those controllers to work ?
I was thinking because to create bindings for scratch is very difficult that maybe is better idea to use i 3rd software for my questions is this software you are using is software like this or just i software the remapping you keyboard keys to the controller keys ?
i need i software that have full customization to support multiple input and to have the option to by able to give the game information in the order to know what each button does and if it has unity assets i will by event better
What are your thoughts in the steam controller Jibb?
I got mine like 4 years ago and it's pretty much my go to input for every single PC game i play, it was the device that introduced me to Gyro and i got good enough with it to play competitive FPSs at a semi-pro level.
Would love to hear your thoughts on it, especially considering the Steam Deck is pretty much using the SC 2.0 design on it.
I'm a big fan of the Steam Controller :) Valve has done a lot to push games forwards, and the SC was a big part of that. My channel focuses on standard console controllers since there's so much potential there already, but I'd like to see more lessons taken from the SC for future controllers.
In particular, I'm really interested in how the Steam Deck's sticks are touch sensitive. There's so much that can be done with that, and I'm sure it'll be standard on consoles in future generations.
If you make the gyro y axis inverted than go to button mapping and turn off the up down motion of right analog stick you can make the game play exactly like splatoon 2
This game looks good. I'm gonna try it in the future.
Also, you said that this is the best gyro aiming you've seen in a game. Just out of curiosity have you tried TLOU 2 gyro aiming? It's one of the best I tried.
I'd love to give it a go, but I don't have a PlayStation. It looks well-suited to it. Only thing I've heard is that the sensitivity slider doesn't go high enough?
@@JibbSmartGD The setting where fine. The sensitivity settings go from 1 to 10 and I played it on 8. It was good enough for me.
@@David_Onyx What does that 10 represent in real world sensitivity, though? It looked to me from a video that a 10 isn't much more than a real world 1, but there are lots of players who prefer 2-4, some even as high as 6 or 8.
Hi Jib, because you can move and tilt a single joycon much more freely than you can a standard controller. you might wanna try turning the gyro sensitivity waaay down on the joycon. that way you'll have loads more precision.
Hi! I've done this in other games, and lose all the benefit of the extra freedom of movement, so I much prefer playing with two-handed controllers like in this video
@@JibbSmartGD Interesting. Thanks!
This looks like the perfect aim trainer for flick stick, especially for people who are mainly switch users. I really can't wait to pick it up sometime on switch because I haven't really played a game on switch with "great" gyro on there.
Honestly,I love gyro aiming but it seems every game that does happen to have it does it differently so it's very hard to practice and ever since I got gyro fever I've been dying to play more games with good gyro
@@legocodzilla2709 the main issue I have with gyro is on console, so many games have a lot of issues with it. Fortnite has acceleration on its gyro with no way to disable it, used to have a huge deadzone but that was changed a lot.
Apex and Paladins has gyro (Paladins has it on ps4 too) but it has smootbing, acceleration and a deadzone which leads to a clunky, floaty unresponsive feeling for the most part especially if you have a high sensitivity.
The best games on switch that do it are Doom 2016, Boomerang X and fortnite but besides boomerang X each of them have their own issues with it.
If you want great perfect gyro, right now PC is the best option until it gets better for console. A few games I'd reccomend is old Call Of Duty, Counter Strike or Valorant. Quake and Doom. And maybe on the rail shooters if you find any like old House of the Dead ports.
@@cravenmarigold7750 you have no idea how happy I am rn to hear someone say that back to me I've been saying this for months and feel like I'm talking to walls
@@legocodzilla2709 when people bring up these issues a lot of people say theres nothing wrong with them. I notice most of the complains come from people who've used it both on console and pc and the people who dismiss it have only tried it on console.
So the people who say the gyro is fine don't notice how bad it is because they haven't tried better gyro. On PC its quite literally an night and day difference, overwhelming so. I think if you showed switch or PlayStation players the gyro on PC for just a day, they would notice a lot of issues with console gyro immediately, it just feels much more worse and usually more unresponsive.
@@cravenmarigold7750 it really depends on the game aswell ,tho I can't say anything for PC gyro I can't get it to work it seems lol I keep having issues with it doing something weird for any game I try
Just picked this game up and have been having a lot of fun with it, native flick stick is amazing as I don’t have to get it calibrated myself, and it seems to be very consistent when it’s built into the game itself. Sadly I seem to be having a issue where the game drifts the aim down and to the right constantly, which doesn’t happen when I try playing other games with gyro so it doesn’t seem to be my controller.
Have you tried putting your controller down for a bit? I don't know if the game has some kind of auto-calibration, but that they might do it
@@JibbSmartGD Yeah, sadly that didn’t seem to work. Steam itself has auto calibration, and I’ve done that in other games and it always fixes it, but it seems like this game doesn’t so I unfortunately had to switch to an outside source for gyro aim. It seems like it has to be something with the game as I’ve quit out, played other games, shut off my PC, and when I came back to this game the drift is not only still there, but it drifts the exact same amount and in the same direction.
Quick question, can a gyro mouse or air mouse be an alternative choice for joycon? I only like joycon because it gives you a choice to play it like a vr gun, or a mouse, without having to use your left arm or non dominant arm to aim, kinda like wii, But joycons are expensive as hell
Yeah, that could probably work just fine.
I’ll definitely give this game a try
Hello, how do you display the movements of the virtual controller on the screen? I occasionally stream and would like to use this tool if possible. Thank you :)
It's a program I made a while ago but never got it ready for public release, unfortunately. But if you search for "3D controller overlay" there's at least one popular alternative out there :)
Could you use a key pad with an analog stick (like the azeron) but use asd for movement so you could use flick stick with a mouse acting as gyro?
I think that should be possible. With JoyShockMapper or Steam, you can set up flick stick on either stick, and it should work fine at the same time as regular keyboard and mouse.
Pro Controller doesn't work, I'm disappointed, I know you mention it but it's very sad that such a feature is supported only for one type of controller
Unfortunately Nintendo doesn't officially support their controllers on PC, so it'll be a rare thing for it to work properly in a PC game
Are there any potential for gyro and flick stick on the upcoming Steam Deck? And are you going to do a video on it?
It'll include all of Steam's input customisation options, definitely including gyro and almost certainly including flick stick :) It should be possible to get JoyShockMapper working on it, too.
I'd love to give it a go as soon as it comes out, but probably won't do a video on it until I can try it myself.
It kinda sounds like they're implementing it.
@@JibbSmartGD amazing that’s so cool. Im getting more and more tempted to buy Steam Deck over the Nintendo Switch
omg crazy
I hope it comes to PS5, looks fast like ghostrunner which would be cool with flick stick also
That'd be awesome, but I think the studio closed :(
How do you have negative inputs equate to something?
“ZL: false”
I want it to where every time I let go of the L2 button to revert to a specific configuration/sensitivity.
You can use the '/' modifier for when the button is released:
ZL = "GYRO_SENS = 2"/
But if you want to gave the sensitivity or something only different while ZL is pressed and then revert when it's released, this is the usual way to do it:
ZL,GYRO_SENS = 1
@@JibbSmartGD Thank you for the tip, but how you do have it to where it switches to another configuration every time I let go of the L2 button once?
I use the (ZL,R3 = “GryoConfigs/….”) command to switch to a higher sensitivity while aiming, but with this command:
ZL = “GyroConfigs/RandomTextFile.txt”/
It takes 2 releases of the L2 trigger for the command to switch to another configuration.
(PS: I’m currently using the 2.2.0 version of JoyShockMapper)
Interesting. It shouldn't require two releases. Is your new config overriding ZL's behaviour?
It's a very impressive software. Will Joyshock be able to work with third party gyro controllers or will they strictly have to be with Playstation and other official company controllers?
Because due to the pandemic, I only have access to online shopping and options may be limited.
It only "officially" supports gyro with official PlayStation (4/5) and Switch controllers, but many third party controllers present as official controllers and just work. I can't say which ones, though
the gyro in game is completely unusable, it doesnt have any way to calibrate your gyro, so most people will have contant drift.
cant wait for the first game to actually support flick stick
I hadn't encountered this myself. I'll reach out to the devs
@@JibbSmartGD there are others on the forums with the same problems, so its not just me 👍 thanks mate
Having trouble getting VIRTUAL_CONTROLLER = XBOX to go through when i input it. Get a lot of error codes right after. any tips?
Have you installed ViGEmBus? It's required for virtual controller
@@JibbSmartGD thank you!
No problem :)
Does JoyShockMapper support multiplayer? Can multiple controllers connect and play a game with this?
Not at the moment, but in future it could be possible as we add more options to convert inputs to distinct controller inputs
@@JibbSmartGD Thank you very much
0:15 yeah that was a lie + they never fixed the switch version, the developers did you dirty, unlucky, please don't support this game guys, the gyro drifts because there's no kind of calibration (it's really bad drift too, I'd rather have smoothing like in Splatoon), and the flick stick is forced at the outer ring and jitters a lot, so if you like to rotate the stick, then you're sol
They did fix the Switch version, only in the last few months, though, I think. I haven't encountered the drift you're talking about -- which is lucky for me, I guess. Hopefully the devs will be open to some kind of calibration solution.
Rotating the stick has worked fine for me, but it's been a while since I've played it. I don't mind a little jitter, but it's certainly better to smooth that out with small/slow rotations.
@@JibbSmartGD yeah I know the issues aren't a big deal but for how prestigious the game is supposed to be, those little things can't fly imo, they're just being lazy. And they said they won't fix the drift because gyro isn't as good as mouse so it's bottom priority
@@idkrossplay Yeah, where did they say that?
The game is a big deal because there is some really basic stuff that up until last year almost no one was getting right. To have a sensitivity scale with good range, resolution, and meaningful numbers was basically unheard of. To have a gyro off button that isn't tied to a specific aim mode was brand new as far as I know. And I've been asking devs to do those absolute basics for ages.
And native flick stick months before any other game did it is obviously a big deal.
@@JibbSmartGD I asked Sam when he was streaming when they planned to fix the drift on the gyro, that's when he told me. I don't remember his exact words but it was something like "gyro and flick stick is cool for gamepads but it still isn't as good as mouse, that's why we have a 'balanced for controller' difficulty. Because of that, fixing gyro is at the bottom of our priorities"
They only got all those things right because you asked them to add all of it, and I'm pretty sure they only agreed so you would advertise their game. I'd consider if they asked you for help but I know they probably didn't since they don't even care about the gyro controls
@@idkrossplay Gotcha. Well, I didn't ask them to put flick stick in. They were thinking about gyro and someone recommended one of my articles to them. Sam has been really positive about the importance of gyro (and flick stick) on controller ( www.pcgamer.com/boomerang-x-brings-gamepad-control-closer-to-mouse-aim-more-than-ever/ ), but I suppose that doesn't change that controller itself isn't a high priority for them.
did i hear gyro coming to ps5
The PS5 controller on PC, yep! The update is out now
how do I get your controller overlay?
It's still not available, I'm afraid. Not ready yet
@@JibbSmartGD oh, that explains it. I've been pulling my hairs looking for it on your website for days lmao.
Haha, sorry about that!
Is the switch version as good? Especially the performance?
30 fps, and last I played there were some issues with both flick stick and gyro, but I haven't gone back to it on Switch in a long time. PC is definitely my preferred way to play Boomerang X
@@JibbSmartGD darn it.. That's unfortunate
Thnx
I was trying to use the steam flick stick configs since it came out but it's too janky. Ill try to buy a ps5 dual sense or ps4 dual shock so i could use jsm to use the flickstick... Steam imput is soo good for other things like menus and orders... Its a shame
Thank you Thank you Thanks a lot for making this program. I love this program
I love playing GTA 5 and it's like shooting and driving game in one. I want to assign joyshockmapper in such a way that if I press the right stick, the gyro gets it is assigned to it and I can drive using the gyro. And when I have to shoot, I would press the left stick and gyro would then control the mouse (or aim)
Please help. I don't know how to assign the gyro to right stick for driving.
Hey jibb I’ve just gotten the game on steam but I can’t seem to get the gyro controls to work even when I set the motion controls to always on
What controller are you using?
@@JibbSmartGD I’m using the regular DualShock 4
Bro. Please tell me what controller overlay app do you use.
Hi friend! I made it myself. It's been a long time coming, but I'm afraid it's still not ready for public release yet
@@JibbSmartGD can i buy this app for personal use? if not, I will understand you
Not yet, I'm afraid. But I'm hoping to have some good news before the end of the year (although I said that last year, too!)
@@JibbSmartGD ahaha) that's ok bro! al we need some procrastination in something!
trust my i really wanted to make i advances button customization on my game but how to create everything by my own is not easy task
right now i have to make player damage, input system , scores Manger , player animation, network with lan and online, and top off i get 0 money for the game im working and i don't have team im not sure if ever released that game this game is very complicated to make and the become more complex wean as it progresses instead to by easier for my to make
how do i have controller overlay like that
It's not available yet, I'm afraid. I haven't had time to finish it
Im wondering if DS3 can be compatible with this somehow
Unfortunately, the DS3 is somewhat less capable in terms of motion controls.
I wonder if this game has a tutorial for flick stick. Cause it is amazing, but most people will try it, and switch back to more traditional control schemes
A tutorial would help them ease into it
I haven't seen a tutorial for flick stick in the game, but I agree it'd be of huge benefit to players
Is flick stick the exact same thing as gyro in splatoon?
Gyro aiming is like what's in Splatoon, but flick stick is a different way to use the right stick that works best with gyro aiming at the same time
You seriously need to contact the higher ups at Xbox and tell them to input gyro aiming in their controllers their the only company that is holding console players back from competing with pc players
I have tried many times, but I'll keep trying. We can all do it :)
@@JibbSmartGD I believe in you dawg, make halo revolutionize console fps again.
Do yall have a discord?
Yep! Check the description :) Join us!
They have a demo available on Steam right now, for Windows.
I wonder if the DS4 support works on Linux via Proton as well.
Edit: others have already commented that the demo doesn't currently support motion controls. I guess that's it for now.
Linux cu*k
@@Ryochan7Thanks for letting everyone know that you're a lowlife troll in your channel description.
Saves everyone the hassle of figuring out whether your hatred is borne of ignorance or malice.
Its a bad thing for PC players because the closest I can get in this game to my sensitivity is 37% away from where it needs to be!
How can they have so much work put into input just to have the worst sensitivity options of any give ive ever seen in my entire life by other a factor of 10? 10! Ive never seen a discrepancy over 3%. Much less 30!
What do you mean? Are you talking about mouse, stick, or gyro sensitivity? And what sensitivity do you want?
Mouse.
Well. Preferably 12.523 in/360 at 1200 DPI.
The closest I can get to that with the settings being integer only is 37% off at 17.1429
Aka a 4 inch difference. 4 INCHES. Yeah. Not acceptable. I can't fucking play the game that way. If I bump it up even the smallest amount the difference is even bigger.
one decimal would make a huge difference. 0.14 is 12.25. For a game with as little precision required, thats not too bad.
But I have to pick between 17 inches or 8 inches. And I want 12.
@@Wylie288 Dang. Can you change your (EDIT: DPI) to find a more suitable sensitivity?
@@JibbSmartGD Im guessing you mean DPI. Can I? Probably. Will I? Nah. Refunded instead. Too much work for a 3 hours game