Anthony Edwards' Take On 90's Hoops BLOWS UP Gil's Arena
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Anthony Edwards' Take On 90's Hoops BLOWS UP Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Magic Johnson's response to Anthony Edwards saying that no old school hoopers besides Michael Jordan had skill and launch into a classic Gil's Arena Debate with Gil agreeing with the young superstar and Rashad McCants calling out his cap.
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Gil is triggered because magic said your opinion don’t count if you don’t have a championship.
Facts
Facts
Yup
Gil couldn’t guard Nick Van Exel
Daaaammm
McCants the only one that understood the question being debated lol
Isn't that funny
Man I finally have to agree with McCants.
@@rashawngoston3247 …. You’re so cool…. 😐.
If you don’t get your 🤡 ahh outta here
Exactly
Crazy right 😂😂😂
The fact that penny hardaway wasn't mentioned is crazy.
and Grant
Team Penny 💪
I was thinking him, Grant Hill, and Pistol Pete.
Facts
Eddie Jones
“Didn’t watch it… can’t speak on it… Then spoke on it” 🤣😵💫🤣😵💫🤣😵💫💯
The irony in Gil telling them to stop changing the context is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂
I was thinking the same thing. He’s literally doing that. Gil sounds crazy lol.
Like how he did with the Steph vs AI argument
He is a walking contradiction
Don't nobody say that to Ewing, Malone, or Stockton and soo many more. Ant told the truth and thet got triggered
You know what's funny, people like Gil want to isolate portions of Jordan's career, to create a narrative and bolster their argument, while simultaneously using LeBron's longevity, to make the case for him being the GOAT. Intellectual dishonesty at it's finest.
Arenas is mixing up athleticism with skill. Mccants is 100% correct.
For sure. He argued for skills and talented and then McCants said correct and he changed again. LoL.
@@corydrhodeshes is and isnt he also brought up how people couldnt dribble with their left hand so he just switching to whatever he wants ig lol
Even in things that uses athleticism takes skill. Like dunking. Just because you can jump high at the rim doesn’t mean you have the coordination to put it in the rim.
for the first time i agree with Mccants
Faxxx 😂
I don’t think Gil knows the difference between skill and talent 😂
😂 u can tell he knew mccants win that argument n made more sense. 😂
He does
HOW???? He clearly said the difference between both.. Talent doesn’t grow.. A kid can have Talent but he developed his skills year by year.. You don’t develop your “Talent” year by year 😂😂 Make it make sense
I saw. Gil n Oakland as a rookie w GSW Hoop n he had talent but never developed skill besides Guns n da lockeroom
Say that again man! Gil talks so reckless about the 80’s and 90’s field.
Barkley was 6'4" and couldn't be stopped on the break and rebounded like a savage.
You must be on something bc Charles barkley is every bit of burly 6'6 which is why he was so effective at forward. You can visually tell the difference in height of anybody over 6'5 bc 6'5 and ups look like giants. 6'0 to 6'4 are normal sized tall humans and he's not 6'4 which is the typical size for a guard.
@@h3dg3l0rdwhat are you talking about average height for males, is around 5 ft 8, 6 ft and is above is 15 percent of the population, 6ft 4 is even more rare. Plenty of ppl say they embellish heights in the nba KD is taller than most of the ppl listed taller than him on paper
@Wgz945 I said normal tall humans are 6'0 to 6'4. I never once said average about anything. I am 6'1 so I know I'm above average and I know when someone is taller than 6'4 because they look giant even to me when they are taller than 6'4 and people 6'4 don't look giant to me.
Tim Duncan was more skilled than 95% of the league
FACTS!!!!
Shit more like 99:5
No he didn’t
I was just thinking this Gil smoking
Duncan more skilled than majority of the league today. I don’t know what drug Gil did before this episode.
McCants is 100% correct. Ant is confusing talent with skill. Lots of players were skilled back then
no he’s not it has been 40-20 years since the 80s 90s and 2000s the game has gotten better and y’all refuse to acknowledge that. do you think MJ is guarding anthony edwards? NO he’s not MJ would be seeing moves he had never seen before and if MJ isn’t keeping up with someone what do u think the average nba player back in the 90s is doing?
either way , far more talented guys now than then . we done with 90s
@@toerawyeaeverything is made up from the 90s its all recycled😂
@@toerawyea like KG said, a lot of these guys wouldn’t make it in back then.
See .back then?...if you were not a very talented player?...YOU HAD TO HAVE A SKILL.. period...HAKEEM OLAJUWON was as skilled a center that has ever played... PENNY HARDAWAY had talent..But that dude was SKILLED..if your game can make the NBA change it's rules because of how you play?....it takes way more than talent
The fact that Gil said Stockton not being skilled is wild. Gil got the bag somewhere.
it just goes to show that players/former players sometimes don't know wtf they're talking about
I watched the rest of the video but Gil lost all credibility in this debate from that point.
I’m not even a Stockton fan but to question his skill with his achievements is hilarious.
@@CaptLawrenceD Exactly. We get to hear former and current NBA players constantly spew dumb shift 24/7 nowadays. That armor of "I played in the league, I know what I'm talking about" is getting nerfed constantly. To give Gil some credit tho I don't doubt he says a lot of wild shit just for the sake of controversy and engagement.
@@Gingait’s a tuff one because John Stockton a great player but but he definitely isn’t as skilled as his peers but his IQ makes up for it
@@lildimes407 At his listed 6’1”, 170s., how are you anything but skilled if you hold the NBA record for assists and steals? It’s more than just IQ and being able to translate IQ to production is by definition, skill.
Gil has definitely proved today that he has the least amount of ball knowledge in terms debates ever known to mankind..
on the show at least lol
Off of 1 person gtfo here just because he couldn't name ever non skilled player foh today younger kids know more than just LeBron girls 2 pg13 kd Luka Shai etc
Ja
@@eclass1865 u a 🤡 frfr
Don’t forget Lebron averaged 37 PPG against McCants.
😂😂😂 nah it’s been like a month now b you wild funny
@@yarrell2467wild annoying
@@n_a8917 yea i’m retarded
@@yarrell2467 nah i gotta stop
I had no they played one-on-one on the side like that. Thank you now I can tell people they were playing one on one and somebody on RUclips said it. 😅😅😅. I know what you said I'm just playing around. But if you do have some video... 😅
So Clyde, Hakeem, Mike Finley, George Gervin, Kevin Johnson, Pippen, Jus to name a few weren't skilled? 🛑🤣
So it’s like 20 good players out of 400. That’s what he saying. The field was trash
@Max2nice I can name more than 20. Jus cause guys jacking up 3s nowadays doesn't make them skilled. It's PLENTY of Trash out here nowadays
Tim Hardaway, Rod Strickland, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller, John Starks, Nick Anderson
@@Max2niceand this is false.
Out of 400?
Gil needs to stop the cap. So you really going to say Jordan and Kobe were the ONLY skilled players up to when? 2000? Even Gil don't believe that.
He is always full of shit
He clearly said until 96
@@eddiebih that's cap too
Did you not watch the video?
Isiah Thomas, Drexler, Tim Hardaway, Penny, Bird, Reggie Miller, Olajuwon, Karl Malone, Kareem, Magic, Worthy, Dr J, George Gervin, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Dominique Wilkins, Gary Payton, Mad Max, etc. How dare Gil act like there was no skillful players before 2000’s.
Gil moved the Goal Post 30 times in this convo.
Mcants is right. Ant is talking about talent and athleticism. MJ and Kobe didn't come into the league supremely skilled.
Just to add to this. In terms of athleticism, they should look up Ron Harper and Gerald Wilkins, to name just two other 2 Guards.
Y’all notice how Gil will set the criteria and then argue for the criteria he set, we see how you do Gil, haha.
Nah he just keep everybody on topic.
How he said defense ain’t a skill
@@williepatterson2801no he don't because he's arguing what he thinks Ant man meant and that's not the argument it's what he said not what he meant to say
He be switching it up and confusing the others . Lol. He has good knowledge but he be snakey 🐍 like he was on the court. Lol
Ant probably thinking "wtf does Gilbert think I said" . . 😂
I've noticed that when people say the current players are more skilled they're only talking about dribbling and shooting, that's it. As far as dribbling goes, the current rules allow these players to carry the basketball and travel..etc the 90s players had good handles without carrying the basketball. They weren't allowed to take a triple step back, carry etc. Lastly, there's more to the game of basketball than shooting and dribbling. Players today don't pass like magic, J Kidd, Nash, Penny, etc. They don't rebound better than 90s players, they damn sho don't have better post moves than 90s players.
that right look how many travels calls for team USA , Ant Man had a lot!
Yup just different skillets not better
Facts the rules allow players to appear more skilled
@@kevinbailey6749 all the nba players today carry and travel.
All Facts 🤝
“That’s the problem with you KIDS today. You don’t even know enough to know, that you don’t know…”
- Shawn Michaels
Damn bro, that's so true!
Fire
100
And then old heads saying mj could average 50 in today's game, accept the disrespect if you can't respect in today's game.
@@ryukosukuno4473 Saying MJ would average 50 isn’t an indictment on this generation of players, it’s a testament to what we actually saw and know about because (I know this sounds crazy) we were actually there and here now. To the point of the quote. You “Gerber heads” don’t even know enough to know that the same thing is going to happen to you and it will be you defending LeBron and whoever else is the best thing you’ve seen since sliced bread in 10 or so years to the generation that didn’t see it in REAL TIME. It’s the natural order of things. The same way y’all think Wayne or Kendrick is actually the Goat, it’s all you know, we just know better that’s all. Don’t worry, keep having birthdays and your LIFE EXPERIENCE will reign supreme as well.
This man gil be switching the convo to places people ain’t even thinkin of 😭😭
You don't ever hear hoopers from the 80s and 90s crap on players from the 60s and 70s to make themselves relevant. That's all you need to know
Horrible point of view to have lol
They're too busy crapping on the players today.
Because they were better than the players in the 60s. And the players in the 60s were not trying to make themselves relevant after they retire. The 80s and 90s guys don't want to accept that they would get washed by today's standards.
This is going to fall on the ears of emotional ninjas. They argue like XX chromosome carriers.
Nothing but shaming language, insults and a need to be right.
@@queyoung6597 so they're supposed to sit there and be quiet while ppl crap on the careers they built? The careers that made it possible for players today to be wealthy. Smh
Bruh stop the lies! Kobe DID NOT come into the league as a major talent, he had to put in a ton of work to become that good. He didn't even start when he came in the league in '96, he came off the bench.
Definitely was Nick Van Axel and Eddie Jones
yeah i caught that too; kobe was raw when he came in ...NOBODY was saying "he's like jordan" when kobe shot those 4 airballs in that game
gil just makes up things; dudes tell LIES
lol exactly people wasn’t taking away by Kobe talent until early to mid 2000’s. He literally was on the bench two years straight lol. Like these are NBA players literally lying to our face lol
@@XORGNMN yeah man and gil is the worst
you KNOW he lies to his girl🤣
Jerry west said Kobe Bryant was one of the most polished players he seen during his draft workout and his coach was holding him back his first couple years he literally got a opportunity to start cause Rick fox was injured and the rest is history
That whole 96 draft class was skilled and talented. Remember, Kobe went 13th. Despite his talent, he wasn’t skilled enough to even start his rookie season like a KG or LeBron.
Except Kobe was talented enough to start but the lakers at that time already had all star guards in the lineup with Nick Van Axle and Eddie Jones. Del Harris didn’t know Kobe was gonna be so great, he wasn’t gonna start some high schooler over his all star back court.
@@Serching4JerryGarciabecause at the time Eddie Jones was a better player. He wasn’t a top shooting guard in his position yet.
no true just had good team
@@Serching4JerryGarciaEddie jones was a solidified player in the nba. How lebron only played 11 minutes in the 04 Olympics. They went by pecking order back then.
@@RicoSoprano_dude those other guys got drafted number 1 to bad teams 😂😂😂 the lakers traded for Kobe
Do t worry y'all 20 yrs from now it'll be a kid saying I'm never heard of Anthony Edwards....sweet justice
This convo is conflating skill with athleticism. Skill is accumulated over time
Yeah to me Skill is what you can do regardless of athleticism. Jordan was dominant because he had skill AND he was the most athletic. The biggest difference between Mitch Richmond and Michael Jordan was raw athleticism.
Yup . Jordan pretty much had everything. Will, competitive nature, work ethic, resiliency... many players today just have the "natural talent/physical"
And athleticism is forever fleeting! Skills just like fine wine!
@@mercurialblondemitch Richmond was athletis as fuck
Exactly. Gil was smarter in the past
Gil about them ratings on this one, Mcants got it completely right
Yo you ain't lying
agree... Gil is just loud 😂
Latrell Sprewell, Mitch Richmond, Ron Harper, Alex English, Marculis Marshilonos, Billy Owens, Steve Smith, Gary Payton, Walt Williams, Jalen Rose, Kendell Gill, Detlef Schremph, Drazen Petrovich, Scottie Pippen, Vinnie Johnson, Cheryl Miller, Vince Askew, Adrian Dantley, Dennis Johnson, Micheal Thompson, Jeff Hornacek, Jeff Malone, Dan Marjlie, Gerald Wilkins, Earl Monroe.
Preach!!
That team is trash
These some sorry ass names
Who😭🤣🤣we got bench players that will cook them
@@EddiePoole-n3gthey’d bust yo ass
Gil just because u loud doesn’t make you right
Gill got lost himself in the Vortex with his skill rant.
Lmfaoooo . That one stutter/moment that got quick where NOBODY knew where the convo would lead to 😂
he always does that
he would have been a con man if he wasn't tall and athletic
@@CaptLawrenceDthat's the Cuban side smh... you at that up man
@@CaptLawrenceDreal shit LMFAOOO
naw fr 😂
Gil: Don't change the argument. Now let me get back to my interpretation of the comment and change Ant' s argument 😂.
😂😂😂
For real... skill is movement? Then Ant said he didn't watch them.. Gil is applying his own argument.
That's his "move"; he does that in EVERY debate i.e. "What you heard is THIS; but what he actually SAID was..." smh
This was McCants best debate he’s ever given. Gotta give him props on this one
It Helps when he’s right 😅
Gil b Jen wrong
Mccant always cooking them
Agreed. A rarity
He was cooking BBQ.
You guys totally lost the plot. Antman literally said: NOBODY had skill except Mike, while also saying he didn’t watch the games. How can anybody in his right mind try to defend this BS?! Gil is so wrong it’s not even funny.
Hakeem has so much skill LeBron, Carmelo and KD was working with him
Big FACTS!!
Even Kobe… Kobe fam
Giannis
That's the point Hakeem was the only one with that footwork back then , now everybody has the Hakeem footwork not just one player. Look at the sky hook , now that is a requirement for a center today. Centers can actually shoot today. Point guard has to shoot now not just pass.
@@nardg20 Name a single big playing today that had the back to basket post skills of Robinson, Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem? You can't.
Why? Different games. Different skills. Can prime Ewing do what prime Giannis can do? No. Can Giannis do what Ewing could do? No. Ewing was also by far the least athletic big out of the 4 I named.
Robinson was a genetic lottery pick. Shaq, before he got fat and lazy was even MORE of a genetic lotto. Hakeem was just smooth as silk, less athletically gifted in terms of speed and power, but more coordinated than either Shaq or Robinson.
If Giannis grew up in the 80s and came into the league in the 90s, would he look like Giannis today? No, he'd look like a David Robinson type. Fast, athletic, but he'd have a 80s and 90s big skillset. If Shaq grew up in the 00s and was in the league today? He'd change the fucking league to conform to what he was, just like Steph did.
Gil putting words in Ant mouth. I said only MJ had skill. No on was skilled until Kobe came along. That's Ant's comment.
Ant was lowkey talking about all these niggas Gil included.
Agree
@@tmac1736Ray Allen, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Eddie Jones, Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Glenn Robinson, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Pip, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Alex English, Ron Harper, Michael Finley, Mark Price, John Stockton, Gary Payton, Nick Van Exel, Tim Duncan, Latrell Sprewell, Alan Houston, Glen Rice, Tim Hardaway, Hakeem Olajuwan, Shaq, Magic, Bird, Moses Malone, Kevin Mchale, Dennis Johnson, Kevin Johnson, Charles Barkley, Kenny Anderson, Rod Strickland, Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, David Robinson, Karl Malone, Drazen Pretrovich, Sabonis, Vlade Divac, etc., etc, etc are just a few names of skilled players at there positions throughout MJ's tenure in the game.
Well said!
Gill lost the whole debate when Rashad called him on the KOBE CAP...😭😭👏👏
the reason why today's NBA players seem to think they have more skills is because nobody plays defense anymore. All they do is outshoot the other team from the parking lot and then tweet about it.
Can't believe I'm agreeing wit Rashad 😂😂 WTF is Gil talking bout?? Ant is not just talkin about SG's, he talkin bout EVERYBODY 😂
Can't stand Mccants but a broken clock is right twice a day and today he is 🫡
Gil just talking and ass kissing
A broken clock is infinitely correct in the multiverse
Even if he was talking just about shooting guards there were a lot of skilled ones in the 90s. I don't know too much about the 80s.
@sgame82 they were skilled then too. Gil and B have skill and talents confused 😕 🤦🏿♂️
The disrespect to nobody had skill back in the 80s n 90s. That shit is crazy.
It’s literally on video go back and watch we done with the 80s and 90s😂
@@phantomlunchbox8618and plenty of skill. Stoopit
@@phantomlunchbox8618getting ready for school guess, huh. Lol. Squeeze on those tight jeans 👖 and get your favorite anime shirt out. And remain a virgin...til 34yrs old.
@@phantomlunchbox8618ppl like you says this but you couldnt make the league in the 80s or 90s.
@@phantomlunchbox8618I turned on a pistons finals game james edwards #50 somethin is the worst nga i’ve ever seen touch a ball omm
The changing what Anthony edwards actually said to what he thinks he meant is CRAZY lol
that's what got me
to be honest THIS (along w/ a few other things) makes me question gils intelligence
he straight out lied about what ant said right from jump
@@CaptLawrenceDfrom jump Gil pointed out all Ant said is what everyone been saying forever nobody touches his airness and nobody was like Mike those are facts
@@CaptLawrenceD hes very bias to the younger generation nn it’s to say the least bias. I really feel that they should get someone else on the show that’s similar to rashad because Brandon Gil and Kenyon seems to agree on almost everything and that’s just weird to watch out of 4 grown men. It seems more like a high school setting. Gil is the popular girl and Brandon and Kenyon are the rest of the kids that just go along with what ever she says while rashad is the less popular kid that gets picked on for being smart. Ridiculous lol
@@alemonster801 no he said that what ant said was "jordan was MORE SKILLED than everybody" when we have IN PRINT ant man saying "jordan was THE ONLY SKILLED one from the era" i.e. gil told a(nother) lie on his show
the man clearly DOES NOT respect the TRUTH
@@brandnew7907 🤣 yeah i agree rashad is the most intelligent dude on the show; kenyon is second
gil is that dude who (when all else fails) will just start lying to "prove" his point
BJ coming from nowhere to just say "niggas were drug addict" lmmfao
Now I understand what Gilbert thinks skill is, he's conflating skill, with what's aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Some of today's players have a lot of "cute" moves, but they're not more skilled than in the 90's.
This, more to skill than handles and shooting.
ur crazy
their is no wemby in the 90s no curry no kyrie
these are players who played the game u haven’t. they played in different ears so if they are telling us that guys came in the nba and started doing things they never seen we have no choice but to believe em
Well said. So much of Gil’s analysis is shaped by his narrow view of basketball. If it’s not 1-3 with some level of handle, distribution and shot-making, he’s pretty lost. And even within those parameters, he’ll lie or twist facts to win an argument.
This fool Gill moving the goalposts to try and make himself right when he’s 100 percent wrong 😂😂😂
Facts braaaa
Gil knows good and damn well he wouldnt say he had that many points if Kobe was in the same room😂
He’s gonna tell Kobe he gave him 60
Gil is literally changing the argument as he goes along
Mccants is absolutely right. Simple
Well it’s about time 😂
Yep these mfs ignorant
Hell no
Gil/Brandon ain’t trying to convince no one but themselves.
brandon thinks a little too highly of himself. he had high potential but after he got hurt he was an after thought. he talks himself up like he was a borderline hall of famer. he still living off his high school career
Sucks that they're right
You are delusional
I naturally tune out Brandon .. he's just a street baller... got hurt 1 time and disappeared + his personality not that great.
@UncleCheekClappa they think they're right because they had more talent than skill. It's sad because they were fun to watch.
Gil talking about Anthony Edwards like he's unstoppable. Where was all that "skill" in the first 3 games against DAL in the WCF? If he was as skilled as Gil says he is he should have been able to score regardless. Especially with all the spacing and freedom of movement.
This is a dumb statement, Kd is skilled and got swept in the first round by ant. So Kd isn’t skilled ?
@@BigDaddyJay33 kd is overrated. On Jeff Teague show someone made the agrument that kd was better than Kobe
@@anthonymiller8107kobe himself stated kd was the “ONLY ONE” he couldn’t figure out. Emphasis on ONKY one bcuz clearly you’re too much of a casual to know since you think kd is overrated but kobe himself stated other wise
@BigDaddyJay33 This is a dumb rebuttal. We clearly saw Anthony Edwards get NEUTRALIZED in the first 2 games shooting 37% and 29% from the field. That gave Dallas momentum for the rest of the series. If he had impeccable skills Gil is talking Dallas wouldn't have an answer for him. So try again
@@anthonymiller8107 first one persons opinion doesn’t make him overrated and second I watched the podcast and they were talking about scoring ability and it’s an argument that Kd is a better scorer.
Magic not responding to non champions triggered GIL because he never won a chip
Gil is disrespectful AF. HE'S comparing everybody to MJ. The players today don't even have Jordan's offensive package
stop it. yes they do. no one can compare with the competitive/killer nature he had
Facts. We wouldn't call him the GOAT if he wasn't one of the most skilled players of all time. The only thing players have over Jordan rn is 3pt shooting.
Shut your dumbass up
So they have all MJ skill plus the 3? Doesn’t mean they more skilled 😂
This is a lie 😂
Gil vehemently fights for the argument of a man who proclaims that he knows nothing about the topic. What absurdity.
Gil just said players in the 80s didn't do cross overs, behind the back or spin moves. Every kid in high school did those things. What NBA was he watching?
Even KD says Jordan would be the most skilled player in the NBA today.
No Jordan would be equally talented as the rest of tha league. He was a supremely skilled and talented player during his career but today there are too many non all stars with skill and talent. Brandon Ingram, Darius Garland, Jalen Green. Not all stars but all have a mix of talent and skill
@DonDada562 oh, so you know better than Kevin Durant? Okay.
Jordan still has the highest vertical in NBA history. There's a reason ppl say he'd average 50 in today's league. I saw him play in person for years. He was by far the best player to ever play basketball, and the notion that it's because everyone around him stunk is absurd.
Every generation has respected the one prior - until now. It's a sad commentary on the current state of professional basketball.
Why does Gil have so much hatred towards the 80s lmao
Because he never won shit in his life except money from his contracts 🤷🏾♂️
Its makes him feel better about himself. He believes he would have been HIM if he played in the 80s.
I'm convinced he does it for views
Because skill wise they were trash, dudes couldn’t even dribble or layup with non dominant hand 😂
@@javonestephens7856he never won shit in his life but won at life 🤣
I’m mad that they decided to say that the offense is the only thing that’s a skill because Michael Jordan clearly had to go through tougher defense than any basketball player today
Rashad actually be right most of the time
Cap
Naw but I can give credit when due. He torched them with this debate.
Majority of the time
FACTS
Literally he makes all the right points
This is the Hate on the Old Heads podcast.
They deserve it, they started it.
They always talk like Jordan skills were far ahead of his peers, now they're upset. We going by what the old heads say.
@@freetheworld2671did they really start it or were they getting tired of being clowned on from young fans
@@freetheworld2671There's people that say that about Lebron, but does that translate to the rest of the league not being skilled? Nope. It's a dumb argument.
Gil a old head.. he's 45
@@freetheworld2671 so is Luka and Joker but they play like old guys hmm
As someone who shits on Rashad on here I gotta say he could’ve won this argument. Gil was the one moving the goalpost. Ant never said he was only speaking about shooting guards Gil was changing the narrative to fit his side.
he not informed and confident in the shit he say unless he trolling to compete with gil. he started strong but faded out…. just like his career
Not a Mccants Fan at all but yea he won this debate
@@sven4six lol but shit it’s the truth. Dude got too caught up in the point Gil was making. When they brought up the quote I thought he’d possibly cook
@@DellOnAir I always give him shit on his other takes so I was hoping he’d actually make a good point and win this time but oh well 🤷🏿♂️😂
lol.. You can always expect Gil to start yelling when Rashad is there
Ant already said he didn’t grow up watching basketball and really only started once KD came along. His opinion on this topic shouldn't even matter.
I'm totally with McCants on this one. Sheesh. Edward's is way outta bounds with his statement
Right how you going to say those NBA players from back in the day wasn’t skilled if you didn’t see them play, is what I’m trying to figure out
People are so quick to dismiss the past but we should all remember that one day we will ALL be a part of history.
How come there’s an uproar on Ant’s comments when Shaq goes on TV every week bashing the current era??
@@user-xb4fm5rx8hcause shaq has proven that no one in history will ever be as skilled as he was as a big man and he would dominate this league today and he was part of the last 3 peat the nba has seen not even the so say greatest team ever (warriors) 3 peat that’s why cause he is credible
@@uptowngunnafromdab9927 If Shaq can discredit this generation, let Ant do the same to the older generation. Y’all look like hypocrites lol. Respect isn’t a one way street.
@@uptowngunnafromdab9927 Shaq even discredits LeBron at times, and he’s not even on his level or status. Shaq is mentioned as the most dominant, he’s not in GOAT debates like Bron.
@@user-xb4fm5rx8h where is ant credentials and yes respect is a two way street but what yall generation don’t get is yall can’t take constructive criticism yall so emotional so it’s safe to say yall are creating a group of ppl that won’t respect yall either so this conversation will keep happening cause the young think they know better and don’t wanna respect what happened before them
The more Gil talks the dumber he sounds, 😂😂😂
Bruh, I think me and you the only one that understands Gilbert Arenas Opinions be trash all the time. every once in a while, like sun shining on a dog ass , he gets lucky with a good opinion
Do yall hoop😂
He’s just dumb bro
@@YoungVisionary2 here comes the hooper! the guy who thinks with the ball and not with the head. Just like Gil, no common sense at all, 🤣🤣🤣
@@littlefinger1190 I asked a question and you said everything but the answer 😂😂
The lack of disrespect towards those before have to stop man. Appreciate those before you. Stop tearing down one another. Give credit to each era!
Gil is always pandering to the new players. Bro his statement was outta line. Way too many skilled players that wasn’t popular.
It's cool now, but I bet he will have a different opinion when the next generation calls Gil's era plumbers. They will see the slow pace from the stats and say those guys lacked scoring skills.
@@allenmk138 Great point Bro, he’s not thinking ahead
Always!!
@@SanzStLouishe literally said the new era can do things the previous one can’t
Rashad is 100% right. Its the exact reason why guys like Luka and Jokic are dominating the most athletic league the history of the NBA has ever seen.
Facts facts facts!!! They Just hate Europeans as sovually White dudes who Dominate!!
Rashad is a walking contradiction. You can’t champion basketball intangibles and IQ as a skill while constantly disrespecting Lebron. You can’t talk crazy about LeBron when you avg 8 ppg against him and have a 1-5 record. Like Brandon said they play the same position. Rashad talking bout “I barely played“. Sound like he wasn’t skilled enough
Dominating what , Joker has one ring and Luke gets Dominanted on defense.
@@yungesjosefyou can when you have to ask about LeBron mid range!😮
@@101cheekie but you don’t have to ask about mid range.. what about passing, play creation, rebounding, defense, scoring at the rim, post moves. You just as weird as Rashad
23:02 Gil’s face when rashad exposed him was hilarious 😂
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What Gil is talking about is not really skills...... It's being ALLOWED . 80s players if they were told they could carry and travel and allowed these new options for a gather step ..... They would have it down in a week ..... These aren't true skills they are ALLOWANCES.
Rashad 3-0 Gil’s
And Brandon this debate
This where Gil lose all credibility for me. IQ ain’t a skill, but ahhhhh NeverMind.
Apparently defense isn’t a skill now. Rodman was an incredibly skilled rebounder. Being a skilled shot blocker is just as important. Assists too in John Stockton’s case
@@Mister.PattersonRodman had footwork.. the skill is boxing out
Gils losing it he's unhinged
Gil didn't win and magic hurt his feelings too
Saying MJ is more skilled and saying nobody BUT MJ was skilled are two completely different things
Gil the type that talk louder when he wrong to feel right
McCants is making the most sense
Nique was skilled not only dunking check his career stats from the field you being disrespectful Gilbert 🫵🏾🫵🏾🫵🏾🫵🏾
He’s a clown man it just shows you how dumb he is man
Rashed is right ... Gil is not seeing the full scope of the argument .
Anyone who has watched the 80-90s known they had skill
If they didn't have skill it would be low scoring games
Gil just salty
Rashad been killing Gil lately
He been killing Gill
That's what happens when you fall in love quickly lol
Gil the homie who think he winning the argument because he louder than you.
Right 😂
If Jordan was the only one that had skill, then why did it take him 7 years to win a championship. In 11 years Magic played in 9 NBA finals and won 5 championships. Magic was a 6’ 9” point guard.
Magic was drafted to a team with great talent. He didnt go to a hopeless team like the Bulls. Big difference of getting drafted to a team with Kareem. He is skilled but he didnt have all that success purely bc off his skill.
@@2cents250 Your exactly correct. Magic got lucky. They were saying that there was no skill players back then. Magic had Kareem, Worthy, Wilks, Nixon, and Cooper. When Jordan got skilled players around him, he won 6 championships. No Pippen, no championships. I am tying to say that there were skilled players in the 80’s and 90’s. The difference from today the players are much more conditioned, but the does not mean they are better skilled players. Ant is a skilled player, he needs another skilled player next to him, and we be talking about a championship contender.
This dude Gil saying all this to discredit Jordan Greatness and to Lift Lebron Up …Jordan the Goat bruh
Harder to show skills in the 90s when you were allowed to put your hand on someone's hip and direct them around the floor. I can't really picture Edwards's skills counting for much in the 90s. I think KG broke this down a lot better than Gil. There's so many skills from the 90s that have been lost because of all of the rule changes.
gil straight tried to change the narrative off the bat (he lied); then they dissed magic ... "opening up movie theaters in the hood also a skill" just disrespecting magic johnson
then gil acted like ant said mike was MORE skilled than everybody else; not what he said
ant said jordan was THE ONLY ONE WITH SKILL
HUGE difference and gil lied and then went running with the lie and NOBODY checked him on it ---i KNOW they heard it ...
Ant Man talk too much.
Because he not talking with older players to learn what to do
He was asked a question.
Gil's lack of general knowledge not just basketball is alarming. I cannot watch this pod cast anymore.
⏱️ Timestamps by TimeSkip ⏱️
00:00:00 - Anthony Edwards' Comments
00:01:24 - Skill vs. Talent Debate
00:02:56 - Kobe's Skill Level
00:04:30 - Defining Skill in Basketball
00:13:19 - Evolution of Basketball Skills
00:14:31 - Comparing Eras in Basketball
00:20:41 - Skill Debate: MJ vs. Magic
00:21:35 - LeBron vs. Historical Stats
00:22:21 - Guarding Styles and Generational Differences
00:26:20 - Jordan's Competition Analysis
00:29:36 - Evolution of Player Skill Sets
00:36:22 - Physicality in Different Eras
00:38:05 - Sensitivity in Today's Game
00:40:02 - Top NBA Defenders Discussed
00:41:31 - Defining Toughness in Defense
00:43:13 - Transition in Defensive Strategies
00:44:10 - The Evolution of Defensive Play
00:47:00 - Comparing Eras of Basketball
00:48:50 - Body Size and Impact on Play
00:51:13 - Weight Training in Basketball History
I wish you nothing but success and prosperity
Thanks
You the real MVP
“90’s was filled with plumbers and janitors”
“we done with the 90s”
He admitted to not watching 90’s basketball but this is what we hear now from others who just started watching basketball.
No mam…..
@@ratchetrock443did u read what he wrote
@5:35 when you take the 10 out of 400... you got 380 left... WTF 🤷♀️
Im baffled how no one will call Antmans statements idiotic. Young fella got a lot to learn. The collection of skills he has comes from long list of so called "unskilled"players before him.....BE GRATEFUL lil dude. You're reaping benefits from the players before you whether you know it not. SHOW SOME RESPECT!
Jennings on this show is like those guys in Rap videos who just throw gang signs and say yeah,yo..
"Athlete's bigger, faster stronger now".
100m WR - set in 2008 by a 90s kid who is an EXTREME outlier and generational talent.
Long Jump WR - set in 1991, by a 70s kid.
High Jump WR - set in 1993, by a 70s/80s kid.
I thought everyone was supposed to be faster now? Bigger now? Stronger now?
Why is it, then, that the most ELITE examples of athleticism, long jump, high jump and 100m, 2 of them set by dudes in the 90s, and 1 of them set by a dude who grew up in the 90s?
The ONLY real difference between the 90s and today, is that the RULES have changed, and the game has SHAPED what sort of skills the players focus on. The skill levels are not different, the SKILLS are different.
I will grant that it's EASIER to reach your peak today than it was back then, because you can get access to elite training information due to the internet. Athletic peaks HAVE NOT CHANGED in any meaningful way since the 1990s. The majority of WRs you see drop in quantifiable athletic events, are a result of technology. As in, shoes that are spring loaded, tracks, that are faster, swim suits, that literally make you more hydro-dynamic?. Outside of generational talents, we plateaued in terms of maximized athleticism in the 1980s.
The rule changes in the 00s have shaped the way kids growing up in the 00s played the game. They can move more freely. They are protected offensively.
You can't just drop most players today, into the 90s, and think they'd do their thing. They wouldn't. They'd be prevented from doing their thing by the way the game is called.
The big things people talk about are ball handling, and three point shooting. The league average today, is 2% higher than the league average in the 1990s. WOW. Considering how much more emphasis on shooting the 3 exists today, you'd think this enormous increase in skill would result in a more significant increase in accuracy. Ball handling, well, sure, imagine what the players in the 90s could do with the ball, if they could get away with the stuff the players today get away with? Imagine Jordan if he could carry the ball on every single dribble. If he could double dribble constantly. If he could take 3 steps, 4 steps, drag his pivot, change his pivot. Are the ball handling skills better? I'm not sure. They get away with stuff the guys in the 90s would be called for. It's sort of like comparing 70s ball handling to 90s ball handling. The guys in the 90s were allowed to do stuff with the ball that the guys in the 70s were not allowed to do. The guys in the 70s were ELITE ball handlers, based on the rules THEY had to play with. Same with the 70s vs the 50s.
Lemme see Kyrie handle the ball, with the rules from the 60s, with a ball from the 60s. Lemme see that. I wanna see if Kyrie looks ANY different from those dudes. I'm going to guess not only would he not look like that, he'd look significantly worse. Why? He's gonna need to adapt to a worse ball, and rules that don't allow him to do ANYTHING but slap the ball down on a dribble. Can't cradle, can't delay the ball, can't move the ball laterally in the air, you can literally only stand above the ball and slap it down, 90 degrees up and down.
You're 100 percent right. Rules make all the difference
Exactly. Skillsets change based on the era. That doesn’t make someone playing today better than past players. It just makes their game/playstyle different. LeBron is literally a prime example of having a skill set in the early 2000s, and switching over to more jumpers and 3s (late 2010s/2020s). Brooke Lopez is another player who was back to the basket player early in his career and now he’s a 3 point specialist.
One day these 2000s guys is gonna get the same comments. It’s already forgotten
Gil doesn’t understand what skill is. Dribbling and euro stepping is not the only form of skill.
@@sdwilso46 I think he’s doing this to maintain his relationships
@@mars3676the money dwindling and the integrity is bought
Ranking stockton a 4 out of 10 is insane. The big difference is that back in the 80s and 90s, you needed more than talent to be good. You needed the skill to be good with the physicality in that game. Todays game all you need is decent shooting and your good at the game. There's no defense today. The league was nothing but skill back then.
John Stockton was at a 4 ? Gimme a break. Great passer, great shooter,great running the offense,great defender. If Stockton isn't considered skilled nobody is a 10
Facts!!! Gil is Just a dumb ass
I think he was talking about the levels of the game but idk
That's where it showed Gil was confusing talent vs skill.
John Stockton a great shooter? Meh.
Richmond, Miller, Houston, Drexler, Dumars, Hornacek, Starks, etc. The role of the position changed because of Jordan. There were skilled SGs in his era, they didn't get the freedom on offense like him. But he was more capable than the others which is why it was so easy for him to get that opportunity.
Gils face when Mccants called him out about that 60 on Kobe😂
Hurt 😂😂😂😂
if you’re my matchup that game it’s your responsibility to stop me , period . whatever he scores that’s on you
@@toerawyea Can't be; thats why there are things called "double/triple teams" and that'S why the Detroit Pistons INVENTED A WHIOLE SYSTEM to "stop" Jordan called "The Jordan rules"
Because it is understood that a great scorer cannot be covered by one man
@@toerawyea from logic Kobe had too much offensive responsibility on that team to be Gils full time assignment. Kobe started guarding him later in the 4th and OT. Smush Parker and Farmar guarded Gil most of the game
@@6970chance excuses still dropped 60 on kobe’s team so he dropped it on kobe
Gil protecting Ant Man because of Adidas! Ant man wouldn’t have survived back in the day! Today’s players are privileged and can run around freely without getting bullied and they can travel! They are not handicapped!
Obviously ant was wrong it’s that simple. Even if you think players are more skilled today, acting like there was only 2 skilled players back then is just stupidity
His comment was ignorant but I still believe that current players are more skilled than old school players. I’m neutral on this because OG’s of the game disrespect new hoopers all the time.
@@user-xb4fm5rx8h They are more skilled today in some things. Shooting overall got better and ball handling for bigs is better but thats only because of the rule changes so defenders cant get up on guys to defend. Todays league is less skilled in other things like mid range and post play.
Ant Edwards is a 10 on skill? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 being twitchy and athletic isn’t skill
Facts not a great passer he’s an above average shooter but not great he’s an above average defender as well and an average to slightly above average rebounder with an average basketball IQ. He’s around a 6 or 7 in skills
wit no rings. wonder why
If you look at his feet he often drags his pivot foot or travels, carries almost every time
@@Ball_Hardthe ninja just turned 23 he got the timberwolves in the playoffs let’s not do that now
Arguing with Gil, is like trying to solve a Rubik’s Cube. He’s just going to tell dudes what Ant meant, like he’s Professor X. Penny, Grant, Mashburn, Strickland, KG all were drafted before Kobe. Those dudes were skilled and would bust these dudes azz todays with this cupcake azz defense, lack of elite rim protectors and porous spacing.
But Gil just bc MJ had the best skills doesn’t make his competition the least skilled.
Jordan not facing top 5 guards is mooted when he he’s consistently shooting over double and triple teams and making a point to dunk on every big man who had a name, and didn’t. Disingenuous.
Gil is losing this debate pretty bad fam 😂 changing the definition of skill vs talent
If Michael Jordan was prime right now, he’d still be considered above everyone else in the league. People acting like there’s 50 MJ’s in today’s game is CRAZY!
You'll get more likes but... its a joke to assume MJ would be considered above everyone else.... Players today and players in the 90's are completely different. Him not shooting 3's alone already puts him at a disadvantage in certain areas. Players today are just as athletic as he was.... you're really just banking on his intangables....
Not saynig he would be bad or middle of the pack guy or any of that... but if you take 90's jordan and displaced him to 2024.... AINT NO WAY...
@@BadWolve how is him not shooting 3's disadvantage???why he would he spam 3s whan paint is wide open and u cant touch him lol
@@BadWolve what was Michael Jordan’s weakness in his game? What would get exploited today?
@@BadWolve Antman is a top athlete tiday and isn't even close to Jordan athletically. We're talking about a 48" vertical, faster, stronger and wayyyyyy smarter. 3's? The lack of middy game is a problem today. Jordan was a master. He could shoot better than half the league today and could score better than anyone still.
@@BadWolve also look up his three point percentage in 95-97 lol he shot 42% in 95-96 and 37% in 96-97. You seriously think with the way the game has developed he wouldn’t consistently have over 40%?????? You’re crazy, he even did that in a season in the 90s. Paul George started out as a trash three-point shooter, now he’s over 40% consistently because he worked on it. Silly guys like you think MJ wasn’t special. He was very special and that’s why he dominated an entire decade. Not because of his lack of competition, but because he’s the greatest of all time.
10:13 “omg” 🤣😂😂