Top Thrill 2-Cedar Point and Zamperla's MASSIVE BET on the future.
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- Top Thrill 2 at Cedar Point was a massive risk taken by both Zamperla and Cedar Fair. At the moment, things aren't looking great, but the day's are still early. For Italian Amusement rides manufacturer Zamperla, will Top Thrill 2 be the beginning of the end? Or just the beginning?
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During Coastermania, Tony and Mike confirmed that they'd been talking to Intamin for YEARS for trying to re-do Top Thrill Dragster but no matter how much they talked, they just couldn't come to an agreement. We don't know if that had to do with money, logistics, construction, the design, the capacity, layout, etc. Who the heck knows. I'm just so so tired of people just saying things like, "Why didn't they ask Intamin?"
As if they have a single clue about how these things work or they've forgotten how ridiculously insane this design is. As pointed out in the video, all new, first of a kind coasters have issues like this and it's very common across all manufacturers.
People love Intamin, I get it, but the CF Intamin reunion will have to wait.
I agree with your comment. I'm irritated with it running on media day and the first week of opening day. I made reservations for June 16, on May 7 when TT2 was running. Sadness for the last four weeks...
I just wish they would have gave us something at coastermania not tell us we can't ask questions about any status or updates..
It was childish to throw Zamperla under the bus, while knowing Zamperla has a bunch of the previous Intamin engineers now under staff
@@KICoasterGuysix flags is currently working with Intamin and the six flags merger with cedar fair is happening soon therefore…
thank you for treating this subject fairly and not just jumping on the "cheapest bidder" train like everyone else. I'm rooting for Zamperla
Finally, a video with a fair opinion reg Zamperla and TT2... I believe it all will work out in the end. Folks are just hard on Cedar Point, yet we barely mention Hyperia current issues...
Like you said, at a certain point, its just hoping nothing will go wrong. Were on board though with Zamperla. The ride totally impressed us! And it had very little downtime opening weekend. Once they get all the issues fixed, people will forget all about this year. However, Cedar fair will probably not...
Don’t forget. Top Thrill Dragster originally had drag wheels and had to go through a train modification. Also in July of the year it opened, 4 people were injured by debris from the launch cable which caused a brief closure. Everything wasn’t peachy when the Intamin version opened either. My what short term memories we all have. Heck people threw Zamperla under the bus when Wild Mouse had a rough opening, but now that ride is more consistently opened than many others in the park.
Right. It’s not a good situation, but yeah this thing has always had problems. It’s a monster
This is a great take. I do feel like they ran into more extensive issues. And I agree it’s about the marathon not the sprint, but this first year of opening is crucial for the reputation of CF and Zamperla.
The people that are criticizing Cedar Point for taking the “cheap” route on the reimagining of this ride need to realize how much money it probably costed them to build another 420 foot structure. That on its own is not cheap at all
The way I see it is this- if you have a bad water leak In your house, do you call a cheap handyman, or a good plumber? You get what you pay for
Yeah I’m sure this wasn’t a cheap ride by any stretch, that’s true.
Not as much as it should’ve
I very much agree on this regard although I have to say, for something like this, it's not something you should try to cut costs.
@@jakester376and you dont call the plummer that ran up $15 million dollars in repair costs over 20 years and resulted in a $90million lawsuit. You get what you pay for what????
I rode it 5 times before closing and honestly if it runs like it did before closing it’s going to be considered a win and I’ll add that if you look at any other RUclipsr that rode it they all say it an amazing ride zamperla is here to stay!!
It really is a great ride. It all comes down to getting it to run reliably.
I really hope I get to ride it but I have a massive doubt about it being open two to three weeks from now. And sadly I won't be going back anytime soon since it's so far away.
Having 9 rides so far on TT2, I can confidently say that it vastly exceeded my expectations. I was as puzzled as most when hearing that it would be Zamperla. Supposedly Intamin put a bid in that would be a 250' spike with a backwards launch first then forward. I think we got a much, much better outcome and the enhancement of the higher top hat speed and higher trains makes the top hat now the best element I've ever experienced. When it openined, the daily operation was honestly impressive. When it went down, it was back up very quickly and every new ride has the hiccups to work out at first, even B&Ms.
The only puzzling thing is that when you look at the wheel carriers, the piece connecting the road wheels to the rest of the assembly looks to be very small. Definitely a "Where's the beef?" thought in retrospect. Having looked at the designs from Intamin and B&M on coasters half as big, there is much more metal there. The new design is seriously beefed up and if this is the only issue and then we move on to reliable operations for year to come then it will simply be a small blip on an otherwise extremely impressive project. If bugs keep popping up that will be a different story, but I'm hopeful. I unironically said to my kids that I really hope we get a Zamperla launch coaster as the Vortex replacement at KI after opening weekend after being team RMC, Intamin, Mack, or Vekoma in order of want and reverse order of likeliness.
I've ridden TT2 it's incredible what Zamperla has done.
11:22 bro turned into the ride operator
you must be new here!
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Very cool Larry. Thanks
Absolutely amazing video! Thoroughly enjoyed this!
Thank you for that!
Thanks for the realistic viewpoint. It's an innovative coaster, so bugs have&will be worked out. Already we're at the "2nd generation" of the train chassis with "what I heard" Totally Brand New Trains "3rd generation" trains next operating season.
Thank you for the support I appreciate it!
I really hope they get things figured out quick although I'm guessing it won't be ready in a couple weeks.
@@ĪĪMizumiĪĪ I think they may be rounding the corner but who knows.
Ultimately, Dragster's conversion is a one-off. It didn't need to go perfectly, but it needed to work well enough that smaller parks will have confidence in buying a 70m Double Heart as their only realistic shot at a hyper.
The worst-case scenario of this is Zamperla stays stuck in the carnival corner, building Wild Mice and the occasional Double Heart. Best case is they can rival Intamin at building custom multi-launch coasters, and maybe put Premier out of the coaster business. Hope they're building the 2025 project at Canada's Wonderland, but even if they aren't, Cedar Fair could have them on their radar for KI or another park.
I'm really looking foward to whatever Canada's Wonderland is doing for 2025, hopefully it's another dope ride like Yukon Striker, but obviously not another dive coaster.
I hope to see them succeed. Time will tell!
As someone who works in construction, and has for many years, Zamperla was absolutely the lowest bidder lol. It doesn’t mean that they do bad work. But that is just how construction works. I give them credit for trying this out, but at some point Zamperla should have had some sort of backlog to reference for this project. There’s nothing wrong with going big, but you shouldn’t get a shot at Ali if you’ve just won your first boxing match. I have no doubt that with time Zamperla will fix the issues, but CP isn’t exactly the most patient of people when it comes to ride manufacturing.
Oh I’m quite sure they were too lol
I really loved this take and am now subscribing
Thank you so much I appreciate it!
Thank goodness Six Flags bought cedar fair!
The merger hasn’t taken place yet, but the good news is Cedar Fair will actually be the controlling entity. Though I can’t say I’m super excited about this merger. Time will tell how all that goes.
The only thing they need is to lower the seats. They rattle because they're too high. The old one was smoother.
Really hoping that when it reopens that rattle isn’t there
@@KICoasterGuyyeah the rattle is just below the head level so it's not painful or anything but I actually got scared for a moment with the side to side jerks. People also like the fact that the higher seats give more air time due to the changed geometry of the hill and the downward spiral.
As of 6/11/24, nothing was being worked on. Little disappointed. It's just cool enough to see it in person.
They seem to be doing a lot of the work after hours. Not sure what’s going on now though.
@KICoasterGuy that's possible. Still no movement the day after. It's all good though. The rest of the park is still a blast. Millennium Force is still as good today as it was 20 years ago. Same with Magnum. And definitely petition to make lockers free, and add a few more spots for them to compensate the added load.
I would say give Zamperla a chance here. Yes, there have been issues so far but let’s be honest, this is nothing new for a new ride. People are just not giving Zamperla the benefit of the doubt like they would Intamin because it hasn’t been earned yet. This currently is just a bump in the road and time will tell if this mole hill becomes a mountain.
You want a true disaster of a coaster look no further than Sleel Curtain at Kennywood in Pittsburgh. When TT2 gets that bad then we have a problem
As for a potential Intamin and CF reunion I would like to see something truly epic and new.
Excuses, Excuses. Fun fact that the ride has never gone one season since its inception without breaking down. There it sits yet again broke down. Reimagine that.😮
It’s been problematic its whole life.
Is it Zam-Pair-La or Zam-Perl-La??
I believe it’s Zam-Pair-La
ruclips.net/video/-nmaiApNZXA/видео.html
Is it pronounced "Zam-Pear-La" or "Zam-Per-La"?
Fairly certain it’s the first one. Here’s how the surname is pronounced
ruclips.net/video/-nmaiApNZXA/видео.htmlsi=S9cGqECDvbn3zDHX
The industry and the hobby are only better served by them succeeding, so you'll only get optimism from me. I hate how much negativity and doom-saying there is out there from people who supposedly want new and exciting experiences.
You cant just say "I will remain one sided" because my feelings get hurt.
I would argue that pressure makes parks better. Throwing yourself into la-la-land only makes it easier for you and the rest of us to be exploited.
Bring back Intamin!!!!
"Lightning Rod just now became a reliable coaster." Reliably average. It has been neutered AF
Better than never being open
I can’t speak on that because I haven’t ridden it, but the thing was down constantly.
yeah yeah yeah, it's not worth it to dwell on it, but man I want a new intamin in ohio. I'm just sayin'. Like imagine a looong intamin launch coaster in the woods at KI.
You will get NO disagreement from me on that. It would be my first pick 100%.
We need some intamin or something crazy at Canada's Wonderland. Not complaining with the current lineup but we could really use a bit of change from B&M even though I love their rides.
Obviously Zamperla is a failure here.
Zamperla needs to be bullied like Intamin was. B&M had a giga snap in half. RMC cannot make a simple chain lift coaster work right. And Intamin gets all the hate. Nobody cared when Zamperla couldn't get their Mouse to work because it was a stupid ride. Now everyone is noticing. We can celebrate Zamperla when they deserve it. And Cedar Point deserves their share of the blame.
Well to be fair, I’m saying they could be celebrated, but this could also end up setting them back. The point of the video isn’t a celebration of Zamperla.
@@KICoasterGuy there is nothing negative in the video about Zamperla and CP and this has been nothing but a disaster. Everyone is walking on eggshells. I don't get it.
You should probably look into what actually happened with fury 325 before blaming B&M on that.
@@ĪĪMizumiĪĪ they built the support the wrong way for space. However they should have been able to do the math and know it would not work.
Why did Intamin have trains and wheels that were working correctly for YEARS versus ~8 days with Zamperla?!
Can anybody explain that? This is not a success story and doesn't deserve to be.
you think Intamin had their trains down right off the bat? remember when people were being flung from their trains? remember how long it took them to nail down Millennium Force's wheels so they wouldn't blow every 5 seconds? Intamin was once in the same spot Zamperla is now...but because this damn community is so negative today, its now a catastrophic failure that Zamperla is working their ASSES off to get the most important ride they've ever built to work reliably and smoothy. The ride has already gotten rave reviews...once its working it will be known as one of the best rides on the planet.
@@Pidge287 lol negativity? welcome to reality snowflake. Intamin was the obvious and correct choice. I'll never go back to Cedar Point ever again after this and I will continue to encourage other people not to go as well.
@@Pidge287 The OP post was deflection, at its finest. What about how the launch was problematic (throughout the years), the trains had to be retrofitted, cable snapped (multiple times), etc?
Ttd did NOT have working wheels. Neither did millennium. Both needed insanely special compounds that took months to make and costed near twice the amount of regular wheels.
@@vrb-. which one ran for years and which one ran for 8 days? Zamperla is a joke of a company. They should stick to children's flat rides. Cedar Point deserves to have egg on their face. Obviously they can't get along with RMC or Intamin lol yikes
Prototypes are going to have problems especially with new trains with the speeds TT2 goes. It's called Shit Happens.
Shit does indeed happen