You're Watching the MCU Wrong: Phase 4
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2023
- Before Ant-Man and the Wasp kick off Phase 5 with their adventure in Quantumania, Hector Navarro finishes up his tour through the Marvel Cinematic Universe with the best way to watch Phase Four on today’s episode of Nerdist News!
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With how in-depth the rest of this entire series is, I’m genuinely shocked y’all forgot to include “Peter’s To-Do List”, a little short preceding Far From Home.
That might be considered a deleted scene, but you know what? I might include in it future updates, thanks for the reminder!
@@hectorminator it’s in a weird position because it was originally a deleted scene, then packaged as its own thing for the home media release, then re-added back into the movie for the re-release. It’s weird.
I enjoy these videos. I just think that if you can interrupt a show’s season to watch other things and then go back to it, the same should apply to the credit scenes. A big problem I had with Black Widow was that it was released after endgame and not before Infinity War. I’d suggest people watch it before infinity War. Stop at the credits and come back when you put it here to watch the credit scene. But again, I appreciate the thought that was put into these videos!
Thanks so much for watching! I suppose our thought process is: we are fine with interrupting a season of television, as long as the break happens between episodes, but we're not okay with interrupting a movie, even if it's just a scene that pops up after the credits. Because we consider every scene in the movie as a part of the whole, whereas every episode of a tv season can be seen as their own individual chapters to a larger story.
I said the same thing!!!!!!
@@hectorminator but putting Black Widow during Hawkeye does a disservice to Black Widow. Even if you didn’t split up the after credits, it should still be watched where it makes the most sense.
@@taylorgayhart9497 I disagree. I think putting BLACK WIDOW after CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR does the movie BLACK WIDOW a disservice!
It’s a movie about how Natasha somewhat reconnects with her family before going back to her Avenger family. It’s a movie about Yelena as much as it is about Natasha. It’s a movie that works as a post-Endgame experience, knowing Natasha sacrificed herself in part to help bring her sister back, and it works especially well in between seeing Clint Barton also mourn for Natasha in the HAWKEYE show.
This is a LOT of information and content. Good job on keeping up with the timeline order.
I think Black Widow fits much better both chronologically and tonally in between civil war and infinity war. It is so much easier to just watch a post credits scene later than an entire movie that for the majority of the runtime doesn't fit in between hawkeye.
I did this in my viewing order. Makes the most sense
The bulk of the film canonically takes place during Civil War at the 2hr 15s mark but most people watch it instantly after since the rest of the film does.
Yessss! Now this phase we can mostly agree on. What is up with that D+ list? For example, it's clear Eternals takes place before Falcon and the Winter Solider as Sprite remarks on who will replace Captain Rogers as the Avengers leader. If it was after FatWS she would have mentioned Sam Wilson.
Here’s where I think you’ve gone wrong. In Hawkeye, Yelena mentions that she wanted to see the new and improved Statue of Liberty, but in No Way Home’s finale, it is destroyed. Therefore putting Hawkeye before No Way Home is pretty bananas. I’d say you should move both No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness back to after Hawkeye (or move Hawkeye up) as really, No Way Home takes place across a big span of time (at least an entire summer and late part of a year as it begins before the school year and ends around Christmas).
great job man i loved it
Your MCU viewing order does not contain Howard the Duck, thus it is wrong.
Daredevil 3 is about to WRECK this by pulling all of Fox in .
Deadpool* 3.
ugh i love phase 4 so much. it’s my favorite of them all. so much creativity and novelty.
How can it be you're favorite?
WandaVision - intro to TV for the MCU done well, sets up MoM and Thor: L&T
Far From Home - Like this better in Phase 4 than Phase 3 as time has passed since Endgame and it mentions the Multiverse
No Way Home - Should follow FFH immediately for best effect
Hawkeye - is during the same holiday season as NWH, is about a school aged girl learning to be a superhero
Ms. Marvel - is also about a school aged girl learning to be a super hero, on the other side of the Hudson River, references the ten rings
Shang-Chi - follows up on ten rings, shows similarities between bangle and rings
Eternals - shows actual ten rings being made, also around the halfway mark so a team up movie feels organic
Multiverse of Madness - another big event for the halfway mark that follows up on WandaVision, introduces some new heroes from X-Men and F4 too, must happen after No Way Home
She-Hulk - there isn't really a great place for this, it has to come after Shang-Chi and before Black Panther but the humor needs to be separated from more serious projects... like Black Panther... so we give it a little more distance
Falcon and the Winter Soldier - back to the serious tone, Loki could've worked here humor-wise but I like it better for the full ending that we're about to get into
Loki - Waits a little later to introduce Kang but he's not explicitly mentioned again until Quantumania in Phase 5 so that's kind of okay
Thor: Love and Thunder - Both Loki and Thor have their jokes and their heartfelt moments and putting the brothers side by side again feels good as we lean into the religion arc
Moon Knight - Continues on the religious arc though more seriously and with darker touches, which is important in leading up to...
Wakanda Forever - I almost put Quantumania here so you get the full big bad intro at the end of Multiverse Saga's Act I. Alas, respect where it is due and this ode to Chadwick is a perfect way to end the Phase. Marvel got that right. Finishes up the religion arc that debatably starts with the cult in the Falcon and Winter Soldier or the cult in the TVA in Loki, but most definitely starts with Omnipotence City through the Ennead and up to the Ancestral Plane.
Black Widow* - there's only 14 projects in Phase 4 and I moved Far From Home from Phase 3 to Phase 4 so Black Widow gets moved to the first film of Phase 3 after Cap: Civil War so that the story is actually relevant even if the post credit scene spoils that she will die eventually.
Very helpful
Thanks
And people thought the Star Wars Machete order was overly complicated.. =S
What about the X-Men? With Deadpool and the mutants joining the MCU, shouldn't they be somewhere on this list?
Also, nice to see that two years after the world lost Natasha and Tony, there are still people thanking them for their sacrifice at Avenger-Con.
They are not Phase 4. the video is about Phase 4
@@Starrider. If anything, they'll retroactively be phase 1 through Nerdist
This is where the fun begins 🙏🏽
The only way that Eternal makes sense with the ending and that it happens after all these shenanigans and before the brave new world, that finally will acknowledge Tiamat
can you do a detailed timeline series about Star Wars??? I'm working through some of the shows, and would like to know where to begin...
Would love timeline for X men franchise, X men 1-3, Origins, First Class, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Deadpool, The Gifted, Apocalypse, Legion, Deadpool 2, Dark Phoenix, New Mutants & Logan.
....Hell, the way you did these videos by including Sony Marvel, Web series, Netflix & pre D+ Marvel shows. You oughta make X men viewing order the start of a web series, "Miss Minutes Mission, Making a Mega Marvel Cinematic Multiverse Map"! Including everything from Lue Fuerrigno Incredible Hulk series, 80's Howard the Duck, Japanese Supiduman,, Blade trilogy, Blade the Series, Nick Fury:(David Hasselfauf), Mutant X, Daredevil (Ben Affleck), Punisher (Thomas Jane/Dolph Lundgren) Punisher: Warzone, Power Pack, Man thing (sci-fi channel film), Ghost Rider, Generation X,. Big Hero 6, exc.
Marvel animation... Marvel anime (Blade, X-men, Iron Man, Wolverine, Technovore, Black Widow & Punisher), Future Avengers, Disk Wars, Ultimate Avengers, Xmen animated series, Spiderman Unlimited, Thor Tales of Àsgard, Doctor Strange Sorcerer Supreme, Hulk vs Thor/Wolverine, Wolverine & the X men, Planet Hulk, Next Avengers, Avengers Assemble, X men Evolution, Agents of Smash, Secret Warriors, MODOK, Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur, Where Monsters Dwell, Invincible Iron Man, Spiderman & Amazing Friends, Super Hero Squad, Fantastic 4, Hit Monkey, Silver Surfer,, What if...? Exc.
the Guardian movies are my favorite and I'm looking forward to crying my eyes out again with Vol 3
Well done
I don’t agree with Black Widow, it should be watched after Civil War, just watch the end credits of during Hawkeye.
Hector, you’re a madman! I think you’re purposely trying to break people’s brains with this viewing order. Wouldn’t it just be easier to watch the movies in their in-universe year viewing order, but then watching mid / post-credit scenes separately, when they would appear, between movies and or shows?
Maybe, but I don't wanna ask people to PAUSE a movie while watching. It's easier to ask folks to watch stuff in between watching episodes of television.
@@hectorminator I can dig it. I’m not suggesting to pause the movie, just full on stop it after the main movie plays, then hit up RUclips after the movie or show to check out a relevant post-credit scene, or what have you. My wife has a hard enough time keeping the timeline straight for me to go, “ok darling, I hope you enjoyed these episodes of Hawkeye, but now we’re jumping back in time to 2016 to watch this flashback”. Have you or the Nerdist team actually sat down for a watch through in this order? I am curious about how cohesive it feels. Last time I did a viewing order watch through, I followed the Disney + MCU in Timeline order, and it felt pretty good.
@@hashtagshalako3619 I’ve watched it this way in certain sections, but I haven’t done a start to finish rewatch in this order yet, no! And that Black Widow example is really funny, because I think it’d make an AWESOME viewing order watch through. Clint is missing Natasha in the start of this HAWKEYE show, I wonder how they met back in the day, flashback to 2016, which further flashes back to how they met, THEN you meet Natasha’s sister, AND THEN you bring it all back to the present?? That sounds awesome!
@@hectorminator heh. Alright man! Hey, total nonsequtor (I don’t know how to spell that and It’s easier to write this than look it up), but have you or Dan thought about trying for an appearance on the new @midnight (now with 100% less Hardwick 😿)?
now we can go back and rewatch all this over again.or show it to the next generation
Do all the middle and end credit scenes line up if I watch it this way?
Yep!
Do I really have to watch Morbius again? 😞
Quantumania in 2 days 😃
wow i didn't realize how much of recent mcu content is actually set in 2024 and 2025.
the 'near future' so to speak.
In my opinion,they should put less projects out in the next phases,and focus on quality instead of quantity,there's still time fix the mistakes of the last movies.
For me I'm just solve some clues to figure out how the multiverse saga is starting maybe I'll be benge watching six episodes of loki on disney+
A lot better than your Phase 3 list, I can get down with most of this order. I would like to know what "clues" you're referring to in "Multiverse of Madness" to place it before "Hawkeye" in late 2024. Most other lists have it placed in early 2025 which makes more sense to me as well.
I still cannot go along with your using Mid and Post credit scenes to place entire movies that mostly take place in completely other time periods. It makes far more sense to watch Black Widow somewhere between Civil War and Infinity War and just skip the end scene until Hawkeye. Also, there's no need break Hawkeye up, when it all takes place within a week. Presumably it takes Yelena a little time to find Clint Barton and travel to where he's at in NYC, so watching the final Black Widow scene just before starting the series works just fine.
Look, I know you're thought process is that if this is someone watching who has never seen these movies before, using the Mid and Post Credit scenes to place movies helps keep certain points secret until they're meant to be revealed. But honestly, anyone who is watching these for the first time, if they're adhering to a complex list like this, is doing so because someone familiar with the timeline is probably helping them or at least encouraging them to do so and they're probably watching with the new viewer. Therefore they'll know when not to watch those revealing end scenes. Meanwhile watching these movies when the proper bulk of them takes place will make a lot more sense to the new viewer.
You may prefer to jump around in a timeline, flashing back and flashing forward, but I prefer to try and keep things simple. And you may also prefer to guide a new viewer through your own personal viewing order, pausing the movie during the credits and switching to another movie or tv show, but I also prefer to let the credits play out, because to me, that's also part of the movie I just sat through. I would ask: if you're already on planning to sit next to someone watching some of these movies for the first time, and know when to hover your finger over the pause button, why not take it a step further? If you're deciding for them what gets left off of a movie viewing (like seeing Groot advance to a teen's age and then have Peter Quill comment that this is what his father figure, Yondu, must have gone through at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2) then why not take it all the way and just watch little pieces of ETERNALS and THOR: THE DARK WORLD first, then the opening to THOR, then the middle part of CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER (making sure to stop before the movie properly ends with Steve waking up in the present) and so on and so forth? I would read that incredibly detailed list! = )
@@hectorminator
Apologies if I'm misunderstanding, but I'm not sure that was op's point (please correct me if I'm wrong tho!).
I dont think op is suggesting that all parts of a film need to be viewed in chronological order, just that it doesn't make much sense to place an entry's timeline placement based on the end-credits scenes since the majority of them are superfluous anyway and act as under a minute long teasers.
The most egregious of course is Black Widow which was intended to come out in phase 3 and indeed fits best tonally there as well.
I don't think anyone is advocating to anticipate where to press pause on a scene, just to simply stop watching at the credits which is when the movie ends anyways. So it's a clean and easy for new viewers to stop at.
And honestly, it's one of the end credits scenes that isn't very pertinent for new viewers, while it sets up the hit on Clint that detail is explained in Hawkeye. So imo a new viewer is better served just not watching the end credits scene and if they care they can youtube the clip before Hawkeye or not worry about it and still have a near identical viewing experiance.
Much Apologies if I'm misunderstanding the point and op I apologize if I've miscaracterized yours.
@@xiongrey19 no, I think you got it all correct, I suppose I just disagree. I believe, specifically in the case of BLACK WIDOW, that it works better as a post-Endgame narrative, and it’s Yelena’s movie as much as it is Natasha, AND on top of that, I believe the scene with Yelena paying respects to her sister is actually a major part of that entire movie’s narrative and that seeing that sandwiched between Clint Barton also mourning his friend in the HAWKEYE show and then meeting Yelena is kinda awesome.
So my point is: I could argue that most if not all of the credits scenes aren’t superfluous or unimportant, but sometimes vital aspects of the prior narrative we all experienced and should be considered when building out a viewing order (or chronological order) like this. = )
But we’re all different and to each their own. Have fun!
Ahh that is fair enough!
Can you please do the DC Extended Universe?
Sounds good!
*Multiverse Timeline* :
Loki (During Endgame)
What If (After Loki)
Spider-Man & The Amazing Spider-Man series
Venom series
*Sacred Timeline*:
*2023*
WandaVision
*2024*
The Falcon and The Winter Soldier
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever opening
Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Spider-Man: No Way Home Opening
Eternals
Spider-Man: No Way Home (Main event until final battle)
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Spider-Man: No Way Home Ending
Hawkeye (Ep1-3)
Black Widow Post Credit Scene
Hawkeye (Ep4-6)
*2025*
Moon Knight
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
She-Hulk: Attorney at Law
Ms. Marvel
Thor: Love and Thunder
Werewolf by Night
The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
Man stop Loki, Werewolf by night, was the best of Phase 4 this phase was rushed, my majority of the MCU movies is Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1, Spider-Man Homecoming, and ig infinity war
Doesn’t Bruce Banner’s off-world trip during She-Hulk tie directly into the Shang-Chi post credits scene?
Nope! The Shang-Chi credits stuff happens before She-Hulk.
If we are including the original six Spider-Man movies so it pays off for people in Spider-Man No Way Home, then why not Patrick Stewart’s X-Men movies for his scene in Multiverse of Madness? Or is it because it’s not important due to it being a short cameo. If you know you know? But then Vulture’s cameo in Morbius was also pretty short.
It’s because that Professor X wasn’t technically the same one from any of the previous X-Men films. So we’re not looping those in just yet!
Hector, here? WTF 👀🤯
I'm everywhere, baby!
Do people seriously call certain birds of prey "hocks?"
Woooooow, it's so simple
SO simple.
Where is the show defenders?
Phase Two!
If you've already seen _Eternals,_ there's no need to rewatch it. You've already suffered enough for your fandom.
I love Eternals!! ...She Hulk, Inhumans, Howard the Duck, Ghost Rider, Dark Phoenix, Morbius, F4, Elektra, Man-thing,.,...now ,those are some Marvel misfires
Where's Legion?
X-men franchise homie.... Along with Wolverine/Logan, Deadpool, New Mutants & The Gifted
Where is far from home
Far from Home is Phase 3
something to do with all that free time? pop over the pond for a quick holiday/fanmeet. We promise* to make sure you get back to your hotel safe and sound after we drink you under the table. *We're British, we invented good manners!
Honestly...I'd just break the post credit of Black Widow off and watch it separately, because the rest of the movie works so much better earlier.
Maybe! But not for first time viewers! It's not worth the risk to ask those who don't know about Natasha's fate to watch the BLACK WIDOW movie and know to pause and exit, or get up and take the disc out, of the movie they're watching before they're spoiled. On re-watches? Sure.
@@hectorminator I guess for simplicity if one is watching alone, but if one is guiding someone along, I'd place it before Infinity War and stop after the first tag, then put the final tag on somewhere between Endgame and Hawkeye. It's a bit more to do, but it flows better narratively, not just chronologically but for following the emotional arc of the character and letting the movie be more than just Yelena setup, and to give more weight to what happens after. Coming out after Endgame feels more like an "oops, we couldn't get it ready on time" than a deliberate storytelling choice, and the second tag seems like an afterthought.
It's less narratively important to do the same for Captain Marvel, but I think to get the most out of it and appreciate it to the fullest, I'd place it after episode 10 of season 2 of Agents of SHIELD, right in the winter break (where Agent Carter season 1 originally aired, so you still get that anticipation-building flashback, but quicker and more relevant). That way, I think the movie and show elevate each other mutually through connected plot points without one spoiling the other.
I just thought of that. I was about to suggest sticking it chronologically in phase 1, but then I realized there's an even better placement for the ultimate narrative experience.
@@Swenglish those are good and valid placements, but I also think BLACK WIDOW, a movie about why Natasha was willing to do whatever it took to bring back her family (and sister), works extremely well not being broken up and just experienced in between seeing Clint Barton mourn Natasha in the middle of his own show.
Would have been fun if you included xmen to altough it would be a huge mess
Phase 4=2023:(Loki, Wandavision) 2024: (Shang-chi , The falcón and the winter soldier, Moon knight , Eternals, Thor:Love and thunder, Black panther:wakanda forever, The guardians of The galaxy:holiday special). 2025=(Guardians of The galaxy volume 3, Spider-man:far from home, Spider-man:no way home, Hawkeye). 2026=Ant-man and the wasp:quantumania, Doctor strange:in The multiverse of madness, She-hulk. 2027=Ms.marvel, The Marvels , Secret invasion
Doesn’t change the fact that it still sucks
Well, for Disney Marvel, the how after Endgame is - badly.
DC Multiverse
Good idea!
Nerdist put more effort into this video than Disney put into most of phase 4 👀
As much as I enjoy you all on the channel, I’m concerned you have Adam locked in a basement somewhere. Is he coming back to the rotation at some point?
I'm not watching it at all.
The mcu is dead. Just let it die. I'm beginning to hate comic book movies because of kevin feige. He's greedy and doesn't even know his comic book knowledge. He's riding by the seat of his pants. Infinity war was the last mcu movie. I didn't like black panther nor do I like the falcon and I'm black.
No Way Home was solid but everything else was crap though.
Kevin focuses more on some mythical moral social checklist these days rather than actually writing good stories and characters.
@@dericjames2018 No Way home was good because Sony doesn’t make producers comply with social checklist
.....lol, ok buddy you make the highest grossest and most interconnected franchise in history
This MCU is forcing a political and social agenda and the box office numbers show the audience doesn’t like it. Glad the MCU is in decline but I doubt the corporation will change the trajectory because they believe so much in the agenda.
Marvel Studios isn't "forcing" anything. You're just uncomfortable with the notion of inclusivity.