The Manual Isn't Dead Yet - 10 Modern Features Of Cadillac's Last Manual

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @ColeSpolaric
    @ColeSpolaric 3 года назад +731

    I really appreciate this channel for not regurgitating the same thing most of the other car channels do. I know you are going to nerd out on some aspect of the car.

    • @mailboxarson420
      @mailboxarson420 3 года назад +1

      should use metric

    • @kenkalajdzic
      @kenkalajdzic 3 года назад +3

      @@mailboxarson420 He tends to use both, to keep everyone somewhat happy.

    • @HaiPhongHP
      @HaiPhongHP 3 года назад

      Piano black...

  • @richardbixler
    @richardbixler 3 года назад +468

    Imagine how happy the engineers at GM must be when they get to talk to a journalist/engineer rather than some schmuck that just sits there like a deer in headlights.

    • @RhubarbVIVII
      @RhubarbVIVII 3 года назад +6

      Depends on the PENG asking the questions I suppose! The UW engineering students I’ve dealt with at a bike shop were arrogant, self inflated jerks!

    • @EliasTheHunter
      @EliasTheHunter 3 года назад +8

      @@RhubarbVIVII do continue your rant! Future Internet users strive to understand your current frustrations!

    • @jamesleate
      @jamesleate 3 года назад +2

      GM engineers would crap themselves if someone knew what they were talking about. GM are a very low standard (look at the GM and SAAB story).

  • @WestEpicVisuals
    @WestEpicVisuals 3 года назад +333

    "How do we design this so people don't break it" - The epitome of Engineering

    • @rutukedarbhagwat1746
      @rutukedarbhagwat1746 3 года назад +3

      True

    • @dedbeet5845
      @dedbeet5845 3 года назад +17

      Engineering is a balance. It's easy to overbuild anything, but tempering that with cost is the art of engineering.

    • @noahlaughlin8550
      @noahlaughlin8550 3 года назад +1

      Car manufacturers don't design like that anymore

    • @Punicia
      @Punicia 3 года назад +3

      BMW and Mercedes: what was that?

    • @xXxtroublebehindxXx
      @xXxtroublebehindxXx 3 года назад

      @@Punicia long live mf doom

  • @mishasweet4780
    @mishasweet4780 3 года назад +108

    Hello everyone and welcome

  • @lr_s3102
    @lr_s3102 3 года назад +89

    This is the only time were I've ever said "I wish Cadillac sold cars here in the UK".
    This is so cool.

    • @myster__e
      @myster__e 3 года назад +3

      Meanwhile, you have literally everything else that’s legendary and unattainable in the US :(

    • @Tounguepunchfartbox
      @Tounguepunchfartbox 3 года назад +4

      @@myster__e lol like what? A vauxhall?

    • @myster__e
      @myster__e 3 года назад +2

      @@Tounguepunchfartbox all the audi RS cars, the immature (to me) JDM legends, and so on…

    • @lr_s3102
      @lr_s3102 3 года назад +4

      @@myster__e But we do have to pay thousands for insurance though :(

  • @AtlasReburdened
    @AtlasReburdened 3 года назад +239

    My manual corolla only has 101K on it and I'm big on routine maintenance, so I think it's safe to say that the manual won't be dead for at least two or three more decades.

    • @pleasedontwatchthese9593
      @pleasedontwatchthese9593 3 года назад +22

      I got a 2020 brz and as long as the oil stays in the engine I'll try and keep up with you.

    • @John-md3ld
      @John-md3ld 3 года назад +41

      I got 240k on my Camry, has survived 6 people learning stick, one person learning heal toe, and it is even still on the factory clutch.

    • @AtlasReburdened
      @AtlasReburdened 3 года назад +5

      @@pleasedontwatchthese9593 Preeeety nice! I miss having a 6 speed. I don't know if a brz will live as long as a babied corolla, but I do with you the best of luck.

    • @AtlasReburdened
      @AtlasReburdened 3 года назад +9

      @@John-md3ld No joke? 6 newbies and it's on the stock clutch. That's pretty impressive, even by... _Toyota standards._
      *Jabs elbow while making a cheesy "ya get it?" face.

    • @John-md3ld
      @John-md3ld 3 года назад +2

      @@AtlasReburdened The clutch is definitely gonna go out soon though, doesn't engage until the very last pit of the pedal release.

  • @viduransivakumar3192
    @viduransivakumar3192 3 года назад +57

    I love how Cadillac made Elvis-approved land yachts and now it's making a hardcore German-rivalling sports saloon like this one.

  • @noahlaughlin8550
    @noahlaughlin8550 3 года назад +52

    "The manual isn't dead yet" literally 5 seconds into the video: "this is the last manual Cadillac ever. This is the end of an Era, gas powered manual transmission"

    • @Hemond1
      @Hemond1 3 года назад +5

      The sentence and context makes perfect sense. Most people assume there are few, if any, manuals available, especially from Caddy. He then presents the subject car, proving that there are indeed manuals still available. i.e. "The manual isn't dead yet"
      PS. I didn't know this car existed. I'm going to research this car some more as an alternative to the Genesis G70 manual.

    • @mikeshivak
      @mikeshivak 3 года назад

      "Perfect" if the context is click bait.
      More correct would be to state its cadis last, not make a statement about transmissions in general

  • @StandingUpForBetter
    @StandingUpForBetter 3 года назад +14

    I absolutely LOVE this in depth look at the engineering behind this amazing 6-speed manual. This gives me a better appreciation of all the effort the GM engineers put into designing this transmission as well as giving me a greater appreciation of how truly special this car really is. Talking about going out on a high note. To me, THIS car will be one of the future classics that is only going to appreciate in value as time goes on. Again, very well done and thank you.

  • @redskytitan
    @redskytitan 3 года назад +19

    I just got a new 911 in 7-speed manual, it’s absolutely fantastic and a joy to drive. I fully expect this thing to become a classic in 15-20 years!

    • @Bartonovich52
      @Bartonovich52 3 года назад +1

      Just remember that many have to die before the few become classics.
      The 996s are coming around because of cheap prices combined with IMS bearing failures that the kids who bought them have no possibility of affording to repair.

    • @Dieselsaabvolvo
      @Dieselsaabvolvo 3 года назад

      @@Bartonovich52 and then those kids sell those 996’s even cheaper to kids like me that fix them in driveways and run them to hell

  • @leumas75
    @leumas75 3 года назад +11

    I had the great honor of participating in one of these track days in a CT4-V Blackwing at COTA (the F1 track in Austin, TX). It was fabulous.

  • @JPZ89
    @JPZ89 3 года назад +20

    5:37 Jason unintentionally giving us the bird while talking about rods LOL

  • @anthonyc1883
    @anthonyc1883 3 года назад +67

    Ballsy for Cadillac to have such an unusual color. All things considered (color, performance, manual trans, rarity) I'd bet that would be one heck of a collectible car in the future.

    • @BubblesTheCat1
      @BubblesTheCat1 3 года назад +1

      Endless money pit car...

    • @mostcallmerob
      @mostcallmerob 3 года назад +8

      Paired with the manual, this car in the Electric Blue will definitely be a collector car

  • @basithph8958
    @basithph8958 3 года назад +33

    The fact that Cadillac actually made a V8, RWD, manual sedan is just something hard to beat
    I’m sure this will be worth every penny and hold its value very well over time

    • @laloajuria4678
      @laloajuria4678 3 года назад

      or pick it up for 1/2 off in a few years.....

    • @basithph8958
      @basithph8958 3 года назад +1

      @@laloajuria4678 I highly doubt that especially if you look at what’s going to happen in the next few years

    • @dcsteve7869
      @dcsteve7869 3 года назад +4

      @@laloajuria4678 You can't even pick up a 2nd gen for half unless it's been beat on and those things are over 10 years old.

  • @estelja
    @estelja 3 года назад +29

    I love that the CT4-V with the manual gets titanium connecting rods. Should be able to handle quite a bit more boost. Can't wait to see what some of the tuners do with it.

    • @dcsteve7869
      @dcsteve7869 3 года назад +6

      Great car. Had the ATS-V. With just DPs, intake, and tune those cars can hit low 10s and a couple have cracked the 9 second barrier with good traction.

    • @joshuarodrique2096
      @joshuarodrique2096 3 года назад +3

      Unfortunately, tuners won’t be able to do squat without a standalone ECU. These new Blackwings use the supercomputer system that runs Supercruise as an ECU, and is (to date) untunable. Same computer system in the C8 Corvette.

  • @niceguy100000
    @niceguy100000 3 года назад +60

    Fast and Furious will single handedly keep the manual transmission alive forever!

    • @hairyviking6047
      @hairyviking6047 3 года назад +7

      The rare 21 speed charger

    • @brandonwillis4811
      @brandonwillis4811 3 года назад +3

      Yeah because they will never stop going into a higher gear.

    • @JFinns
      @JFinns 3 года назад +1

      People that buy, daily drive, and love manuals and having control and connection to the car are what keep it alive, not a series B movies.

    • @TimelineBeats
      @TimelineBeats 2 года назад +1

      @@JFinns you'd be surprised by how much people got into cars, being influenced from movies like fast and furious, initial d, etc...

  • @LazerLord10
    @LazerLord10 3 года назад +46

    Me, in my modern honda fit:
    Yeah, I doubt it even knows what gear it's in. No smoothing happening, it still bucks in first gear, still easy to stall. At least it has solid linkages!

    • @CaffeineAndMylanta
      @CaffeineAndMylanta 3 года назад +7

      Gotta love those Honda solid linkages

    • @DaBinChe
      @DaBinChe 3 года назад +2

      I was thinking the same.

    • @LazerLord10
      @LazerLord10 3 года назад +6

      @@CaffeineAndMylanta Unfortunately I think some of the newer ones use cables. Although I got to see mine when I accidentally removed the cupholders

    • @j_taylor
      @j_taylor 3 года назад

      I love my manual Fit! Damn hard to find though, and now they stopped selling them in the US.
      The clutch feels much...softer than the 1990s Hondas I've driven before. Those, the bite was pretty quick. Even with practice, I'd sometimes misjudge when the gear engaged. With my Fit, it just eases into gear. Is there a release valve or something involved?
      I can't get used to the electronic hill holder. I mean, it's a great idea, but I'm used to parking in First, popping the clutch to roll back out of the space, then off the clutch and go.
      Still a blast to drive. 😀

  • @DerekGaston
    @DerekGaston 3 года назад +2

    My 2019 Mustang GT PP1 has a lot of these manual transmission features too - and I love it! It has:
    1. Anti-Stall
    2. Rev-matching (really awesome)
    3. Twin-disc
    In addition it has adaptive cruise control (yes - on a manual… and it lets you shift while ACC stays active!)

  • @mahadali619
    @mahadali619 3 года назад +4

    I'm calling it now, this is definitely going to be a future classic.

  • @Dufftruck7
    @Dufftruck7 3 года назад +172

    Wait so what your saying is my civic isn't the only car that whines in reverse? Now I can't even flex that to my friends

    • @jackieTHorn
      @jackieTHorn 3 года назад +38

      That whine is from square cut gears. Most all mass market cars with transmissions make a similar noise as your vehicle.

    • @freefall5x
      @freefall5x 3 года назад +10

      You probably shouldn't be driving fast enough in reverse to hear it.

    • @SniperSnake50BMG
      @SniperSnake50BMG 3 года назад +10

      Almost all manuals do. My Suzuki Swift/Cultus have it too

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 3 года назад +13

      Those straight cut gears also make it harder to put into reverse while the car is moving forward. Most manuals also have no reverse synchros. My Getrag transmission does, but most don't.

    • @mr.disprosium4012
      @mr.disprosium4012 3 года назад +3

      @@freefall5x lol I've gone like 20 in reverse beforr

  • @_Gingium_
    @_Gingium_ 3 года назад +285

    Hey that's cool, my 31 year old Volvo has the same transmission as a brand new Cadillac! 😂
    I wonder how much has changed with the transmission during its use in GM cars over the past 15 years. Externally, it looks identical as the one I have from an 05 CTS-V dropout. But I'd imagine they've changed quite a bit internally!

    • @505Goat
      @505Goat 3 года назад +20

      Yea, that's a T56. Very similar, but the T56 is weaker and rougher than tr6060.

    • @dcsteve7869
      @dcsteve7869 3 года назад +15

      As far as I remember Volvo didn't have a 6 speed manual in 1990, that didn't happen until the mid 90s and the 4 and 5 speeds they did have were manufactured by Getrag, not Borg-Warner or Trimec.

    • @mfri
      @mfri 3 года назад +28

      @@dcsteve7869 he ls swapped his 240 lmao

    • @snafuequals
      @snafuequals 3 года назад +16

      @@dcsteve7869 if you had only read the comment thoroughly...

    • @dcsteve7869
      @dcsteve7869 3 года назад +9

      @@snafuequals I read it fine and the context doesn't change..

  • @catsandnature3047
    @catsandnature3047 3 года назад +1

    I like how organised this channel is and how well this guy does his homework. Am definitely recommending it to my car group

  • @jordangrussling801
    @jordangrussling801 3 года назад +10

    My trans am had the 1st to 4th shift. So glad my buddy tunes and took that out ASAP!

    • @adamtrombino106
      @adamtrombino106 3 года назад +2

      The 1st skip shift I drove was back in the late 90s, and when 2nd wouldn't engage, I thought I broke something! Nope. I had my 09 Challenger R/T with trak pack tuned as well, to eliminate the skip shift. You had a 300 rpm window to get the throttle just right before the computer stepped in and forced 4th at 20mph which lugged the Hemi so badly, you had to floor it or wait a moment with the clutch in and then hit 2nd. Essentially a missed shift.. Downright dangerous IMO, especially in traffic or merging.

    • @upcastdrake8460
      @upcastdrake8460 3 года назад +2

      For the Camaro/Corvette with the TR6060 you can DIY it or by a little bypass that you just plug in for like $5 online. I did it on my LT1, took like 10 minutes because it's a tight squeeze where you need to plug it in on the trans.

  • @FreedomForAll2013
    @FreedomForAll2013 3 года назад +4

    I have the VF2 SS Holden Commodore with a 6 speed manual and LS3 V8 engine... the last of the Tremac/V8 Commodore!
    It's truly such an awesome car to drive

  • @HIcycles
    @HIcycles 3 года назад +31

    Subaru's philosophy to manual transmission: "Sloppy". Love it!

    • @TucsonDude
      @TucsonDude 3 года назад +4

      Not for the STI, tho.

    • @crankybear1236
      @crankybear1236 3 года назад +3

      @@TucsonDude Nor the WRX

    • @TucsonDude
      @TucsonDude 3 года назад +3

      @@crankybear1236 I owned a 2020 WRX and it was OK, but it was not as crisp as the STI I test drove.

    • @crankybear1236
      @crankybear1236 3 года назад +1

      @@TucsonDude I agree. I own a 2021 WRX it is not Honda manual crisp but ok. Honestly I was happy just to have the manual option.

    • @TucsonDude
      @TucsonDude 3 года назад +1

      @@crankybear1236 Nice! Awesome car. I would have kept mine, but a deer crash totalled my car. Have fun!

  • @JG-mv4vs
    @JG-mv4vs 3 года назад +26

    “The manual isn’t dead” *proceeds to say this is the very last manual Cadillac will be making*

    • @ChadRazorback
      @ChadRazorback 3 года назад +4

      Just because your mom stopped having kids doesn't mean her kids are all dead.

    • @tim3172
      @tim3172 3 года назад +1

      @@ChadRazorback People are generally referring to *new* cars.
      No one is saying that older manual cars are dead.
      I'm not 100% sure if this is sarcasm or stupidity.

    • @waleniafs
      @waleniafs 3 года назад +3

      @@tim3172 also there are other brands in the world

    • @JG-mv4vs
      @JG-mv4vs 3 года назад

      @Bob Saget I guess currently, you’re right it’s not completely dead. But it is dying off. Quite quickly there is no denying that

    • @JG-mv4vs
      @JG-mv4vs 3 года назад

      @@ChadRazorback good point it just means they’re dying lol

  • @huntsbychainsaw5986
    @huntsbychainsaw5986 3 года назад +34

    The worst manual I've driven was GMC cab over 5 ton which was a 6 speed and felt like a stick in a bucket of grease.
    You put the selector where you thought the gear should be and let the clutch out and if good things happened you kept going but if bad things happened you slam that clutch back in quick and try again.

    • @chrissavage5966
      @chrissavage5966 3 года назад

      Clearly you've not driven a classic Mini!! :)

    • @huntsbychainsaw5986
      @huntsbychainsaw5986 3 года назад +3

      @@chrissavage5966. Unfortunately I have not yet had the pleasure of driving a classic Mini. The only classic vehicles I've had the opportunity to drive have been large truck and heavy equipment.

    • @chrissavage5966
      @chrissavage5966 3 года назад +2

      @@huntsbychainsaw5986 I know it's petrolhead heresy, but I never liked the classic Mini. Grew up fixing them (a lot) and driving them a fair bit too...and always hated them. Can't think of a single redeeming feature TBH. And yes, I know I'm in a minority...but I don't care :)

    • @huntsbychainsaw5986
      @huntsbychainsaw5986 3 года назад +1

      @@chrissavage5966. Heresy isn't always a bad thing its just not popular, but I'm a fan of FIAT so I guess what do I know. Lol! I would love to drive a classic or even a more modern Japanese classic Mini but I don't think I want to own one.
      Some Petrol heads love a hunk of over priced crap that goes fast and makes loud noises, some love to be wrapped in a big suet pudding of luxury and opulence, and others get excited over the weird an quirky aesthetically deficient wonders of automotive engineering.

    • @chrissavage5966
      @chrissavage5966 3 года назад +1

      @@huntsbychainsaw5986 I was always a Fiat, Lancia and Alfa fan over the British stuff my contemporaries preferred, although I did have a 2.8 Capri which was a brilliant bit of British Ford-ness :) I’ve always had hunks of junk over shiny.

  • @nberkel
    @nberkel 3 года назад +1

    Always enjoy learning something that none of the other guys talk about. Differential cooler is super neat!

  • @infidel900rr
    @infidel900rr 3 года назад +16

    I love this car. Wish I had the funds to get into one!

  • @JimShorts10
    @JimShorts10 3 года назад +2

    Long time viewer, first time commenter. Love your work! Don’t stop this quality content, you are an absolute Gun! You always put out useful information and make it so interesting with your presentation style and insertion of clips.
    Thank you for your videos

  • @nadersefidabi5586
    @nadersefidabi5586 3 года назад +4

    This is a very emotional car. I really hope to get my hands on one before they go extinct.
    Great Video.

  • @AndrewFromNewHampshire
    @AndrewFromNewHampshire 3 года назад

    One of the main reasons I bought my 2020 Crosstrek was that it had a manual transmission. The dealer told me that they were going to discontinue the manual for the 2022 redesign, but it appears that is not the case. I am glad they decided to keep it because affordable manual transmissions are hard to come by. It seems like for the most part if you want a manual transmission you have to buy an econobox or an expensive driver-focused sportscar. That said, the manual in the crosstrek is the most perfectly matched to the engine of any car I have ever driven, and very smooth shifting. I love it!

  • @artagain8977
    @artagain8977 3 года назад +81

    I absolutely love the Tremec in my SS 1LE. I’ll own that car until the day I’m unable to drive a car. At which point I’ll probably just take the engine and tranny out and put it in my geriatric scooter.

    • @VNCTHE1
      @VNCTHE1 3 года назад +2

      Except the electric revolution is here and your GM is no longer valid.

    • @vedantawasthi5410
      @vedantawasthi5410 3 года назад +4

      a 6.2 powered geriatric scooter. that's something I'd love to see!!

    • @artagain8977
      @artagain8977 3 года назад +7

      @@VNCTHE1 ooo. Ouch. That really hurts. Not “valid”? Lol. Though I get a lot of compliments at car shows, I don’t give a rats ass as to what other people think of my car.

    • @VNCTHE1
      @VNCTHE1 3 года назад +1

      @@artagain8977 I didn't mean it as in what other people think about your car, I couldn't care less either about my car, let alone yours. I meant it as ICE being a very outdated technology at this point and having way too much praise from some people for no good reason. In your case, going even as far as saying you'll put that boat anchor drivetrain in a scooter. I know it's a joke, but that's my point. ICE is a joke at this point. With much faster, more reliable, way more efficient, and more compact electric drivetrains becoming available, praising your old pushrod like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread is asinine. 🤷‍♂️

    • @Stclairm1
      @Stclairm1 3 года назад +1

      I love my TR6060 in my 2020 SS 1LE as well. Funny you had to buy a GT350 to get one in a Mustang......

  • @nickydrifts
    @nickydrifts 3 года назад +27

    The Camaro SS has had these features since 2010 and they became even better in the newest generation starting in 2016, but it never gets the credit it deserves! Why did it take a cadillac this late after the fact for this feature to get the press it deserved

    • @blackice7408
      @blackice7408 3 года назад +9

      Gm refuses to advertise their muscle cars and wonder why sales are crap. It happened to the ss sedan. Remember when the camaro first came back for the transformers movie? The advertising was big and it got them sales that beat the mustang at the time. Now look at em🤦🏿‍♂️

    • @AdamStreet75
      @AdamStreet75 3 года назад +3

      @@blackice7408 SS sedan is the biggest disappontment I can think of GM has made in the modern era… that they let it go. I still freakin’ want one! However, this may be its reincarnation.

    • @blackice7408
      @blackice7408 3 года назад +1

      @@AdamStreet75 besides the 300, show me another muscle sedan that can compete with the charger - price and power wise that's avaliable with a manual. Also because of the basic styling, it'd a good sleeper

    • @Courtesyflush52
      @Courtesyflush52 3 года назад

      Because in most ways the Camaro was worse than the competition. Hell they couldn't even figure out headroom until the 4th iteration

    • @nickydrifts
      @nickydrifts 3 года назад

      @@Courtesyflush52 That was 29 years ago and all sports cars had crap interior space. The Camaro has been the best track performance car out of all the competition for about three decades now and anyone who has actually seen a racetrack knows that.

  • @michaelharrison1093
    @michaelharrison1093 3 года назад +17

    The reason why manual transmissions use square cut reverse is that this allows for the gear to be physically slid in or out of engagement. When you are using any of the forward gears then the reverse gear is completely disengaged. Note however when you select reverse which engages reverse at this point all of the forward gears are actually still meshed and kept disengaged by virtue of their dog clutches being disengaged. In reverse a manual gearbox has high losses due to all the forward gears being meshed and very high differential speed being imposed across each disengaged forward dog (& syncho) clutch. These reverse losses don't really matter as you don't use reverse that often. The forward efficiency of a manual transmission is quite good as the relative speed difference across the disengaged dog and synchro clutches is quite low - they are all rotating the same way.
    If you designed a manual transmission with a helical cut reverse gear you would then require a dog clutch to engage it (you can't slide a helical cut gear in and out of mesh). With a helical cut reverse design the differential speed across the disengaged reverse dog (& synchro?) Would be considerable all the time the vehicle is traveling forward as the relative rotating directions across the reverse dog would be opposite. This would lead to some significant additional frictional losses that can be totally avoided by simply using a square cut reverse gear and sliding it out of mesh when it is not needed.

    • @boycottjews
      @boycottjews 3 года назад

      I always thought it was the helix gears in the differential engaging backwards that made that whine.

    • @Rmehki
      @Rmehki 3 года назад

      @@boycottjews it’s just the fact that it’s a straight cut gear. In older cars with all straight gears they whine in every single gear

    • @michaelharrison1093
      @michaelharrison1093 3 года назад +1

      @@boycottjews if the pre mesh on the diff gears are set correctly then they should be quiet in either direction. If the diff whines in reverse then you need to adjust the gear meshing.

    • @boycottjews
      @boycottjews 3 года назад

      @@Rmehki also in friends race car with straight cut gears. Sounds very good. There is a small video of it on the Dyno on my page. 1.6L turbo with over 500HP

    • @boycottjews
      @boycottjews 3 года назад

      @@michaelharrison1093 interesting. I only have a motorcycle right now, no car, no reverse gear. That is interesting though. I can't really remember how loud my Miata was in reverse gear or where the sound was coming from. If you're correct and it sounds like it, then probably the reverse it's self.

  • @KrisReichlen
    @KrisReichlen 3 года назад +1

    I love that shot at 13:46 with the car in the background going down the street in reverse

  • @dongypooh
    @dongypooh 3 года назад +5

    You've still managed to give us whiteboard drawings.
    Love it.

  • @TheRozylass
    @TheRozylass 2 года назад

    I'm 64 and LOVE driving a manual--they are so much more fun. I hope someone continues to make them, and that they will be affordable.

  • @waterloo123100
    @waterloo123100 3 года назад +91

    As a guy in the automatic transmission field . I can say you’ll save thousands by switching to a manual 😂

    • @bowez9
      @bowez9 3 года назад +16

      Until you miss a shift...

    • @jackieTHorn
      @jackieTHorn 3 года назад +1

      Almost agree, but the money shift is a real thing.
      What about CVT type tranny? How would you rate their reliability?

    • @waterloo123100
      @waterloo123100 3 года назад +26

      @@bowez9 Well I don’t have that problem. But even if you do. You can tear down a manual fix the synchronizers and it will still be 3x cheaper to build then a Automatic.

    • @Mgoblagulkablong
      @Mgoblagulkablong 3 года назад +9

      There are completely different types of automatics. Toyota's hybrid's planetary gear lasts pretty much forever.

    • @RadDadisRad
      @RadDadisRad 3 года назад

      Lol

  • @Napoleon_Blownapart
    @Napoleon_Blownapart 3 года назад +1

    Nothing beats manual for off roading. The extra control you have is worth it

  • @pleasedontwatchthese9593
    @pleasedontwatchthese9593 3 года назад +24

    We should keep some manuals alive the same way we did not kill every horse when the car came out or burned every book when computers came to.

    • @ericyorkify
      @ericyorkify 3 года назад +4

      Exactly- I don't want a world of nothing but hybrid SUVs and EVs. There's nothing like the rush and satisfaction of driving a manual!!

    • @dgrudier8019
      @dgrudier8019 3 года назад +3

      I agree, almost all the cars I have owned have been manual transmissions. 4, 5 & 6 speeds. Always more fun to drive!

    • @forlorn7451
      @forlorn7451 3 года назад +1

      The government wants to strip away everything fun until we have nothing.

    • @GhostOfAMachine
      @GhostOfAMachine 3 года назад +1

      @Forlorn they cant kill all the horses though. Animal rights law is pretty strict

    • @forlorn7451
      @forlorn7451 3 года назад +1

      @@GhostOfAMachine you make a good point. Long live the mustang!

  • @GiGaSzS
    @GiGaSzS 3 года назад +1

    Manual cars are usually slower cars than automatic nowadays. But it is not everything about the speed.
    The experience of driving the car is the most important and manual car brings a lot of feel and engagement into driving that makes us feel satisfied :)

    • @a.c.e.7568
      @a.c.e.7568 3 года назад +1

      Why I have a 991.1 Porsche GTS with a 7-speed manual instead of the PDK transmission. I could have bought either and I did get to drive both.

  • @Japplesnap
    @Japplesnap 3 года назад +21

    I'm gonna miss cars like this when we're all driving electric toasters.

  • @Toguro-oy3ld
    @Toguro-oy3ld 3 года назад +3

    When I heard about this car I was so hoping Jason would get one and tell us about it.
    Great Vid!

  • @GhostOfAMachine
    @GhostOfAMachine 3 года назад +5

    I just got mine last week because few coworkers told me how great they are. Its a complete blast to drive that I no longer feel the pain of commutes across town to my job. Now I know why I counted 18 of them on the parking lot at my workplace.

  • @Jutsch80HD
    @Jutsch80HD 3 года назад +1

    I'm from Europe, so most people drive manuals here, in fact, up until a few years ago it was incredibly rare to even see a car with an automatic gearbox outside of the luxury segment and the occasional VW with a DSG. After 11 years of driving various cars with manual gearboxes I switched to an automatic about a year ago and I wouldn't want to go back. I understand that people are always fascinated by what they currently don't have, but for me, the downsides of a manual massively outweigh the "fun" aspect of driving it. That combined with the fact that modern automatics eliminated almost all the downsides they used to have, it's a clear win for the automatic for daily usage in my view

    • @hamsterama
      @hamsterama 3 года назад +1

      I'm American, and I own two cars, one's a manual, the other's an automatic. I love driving a manual, it's so much fun. But I agree with you. In peak traffic, such as during rush hour, manuals suck. It's just too much work. Like, you're at a red light, the it turns green, you work your way up to fourth gear. And then two minutes later there's another red light, and you have to start all over again. I only drive my manual when there isn't as much traffic, like on weekends and holidays. Otherwise, I drive my automatic.

  • @rolandotillit2867
    @rolandotillit2867 3 года назад +6

    That getting off the line stuff and anti stall is brilliant! No one wants to stall our cars embarrassingly at those green light intersections. The stress from knowing you're backing up a whole queue of cars trying to make it to work, or wherever they're going.

    • @alexkayl8201
      @alexkayl8201 3 года назад +4

      Or you could, like, just learn to drive it?

    • @TheNerd484
      @TheNerd484 3 года назад +2

      I've stalled out three times in a row once at a green light. very not fun.

  • @JohnAdams-lg3mh
    @JohnAdams-lg3mh 3 года назад +57

    I mean the cables also “physically” connect the trans to the shifter... I think it’s more of a rigid feeling between the rods vs the cable.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 года назад +37

      Yes - I hope what's intended is understood!

    • @BubblesTheCat1
      @BubblesTheCat1 3 года назад +3

      I've driven all three types, cable, rod and direct (rwd, and yes the cable has more of a spongy feeling to it than the rod connection. The rwd direct in box shift lever is quite rigid and very precise.

  • @Blueflyer190
    @Blueflyer190 3 года назад

    WOW!! What a great,very informative video!! Honestly the BEST I’ve ever seen.. I learned a lot about the different features and how they work! VERY WELL DONE!!

  • @autotempest
    @autotempest 3 года назад +4

    Argh Jason, you got me so excited that finally someone had implemented mechanical overrev protection in a track-focused manual! Still blows my mind that we've got all these other helpers, but not the obvious one to help you not blow up your engine with a money shift!

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 года назад +1

      I know! Genuinely asked because of your curiosity on the subject. I think it’s just decided it’s not important enough an issue for design to prevent. Bummer!

    • @autotempest
      @autotempest 3 года назад +1

      @@EngineeringExplained and yet they seem to put significant effort into all these other tweaks for manuals. Maybe it's harder than it seems, for some reason I can't imagine. But as you mentioned, gear lockouts already exist, and the programming logic would be straightforward, so I don't know how! The one that really gets me is Porsche - with the GT3 and GT4 being ordered so heavily in manual, there's a lot of people out there braver than me, risking their very expensive engines on a single mis-shift. It's almost a non-issue on the street, but once you're on the track (which hopefully those cars will be!), trying to shift quickly, shifting while under Gs, etc.. It sure would be a nice feature to have.

  • @donbrashsux
    @donbrashsux 3 года назад +1

    Manuel ..love the mechanical feel ..the clutching , love driving the car ..not the car driving me ..old school yes but I love it ..

  • @johntheaccountant5594
    @johntheaccountant5594 3 года назад +5

    Good to see that there is a manual transmission available.
    Manual transmission with rods (direct) is still the best way to go for reliability.
    Much more reliable than an automatic with all the special oil and software problems that automatic seems to have.
    That cadillac looks ok, as in not too big and a bit like a Lexus but more than likely not the same quality or reliability in the long term.

  • @micoferdinand
    @micoferdinand 3 года назад

    manual lives on!! Totally can’t wait to get mine. Waiting for either the last one or special edition

  • @als57chev76
    @als57chev76 3 года назад +9

    Really well explained. I always look forward to one of your videos. Keep up the great work.
    We have 03 vehicles with auto. trans., and one with a 6 speed manual, so I have not given up on manual transmissions yet!

  • @samhooni2636
    @samhooni2636 2 года назад

    I have never driven a direct manual but semi direct rod connected is so good just in traffic those clicks are amazing

  • @SmartMass
    @SmartMass 3 года назад +41

    I have never heard that straight cut gears for reverse was done for it's noise, I had just assumed the additional strength was worth the noise penalty.

    • @hutsaniffo
      @hutsaniffo 3 года назад +20

      Helical gears are stronger than straight cut gears (larger contact surface). The main advantage of straight cut gears is that they do not produce an axial load.

    • @pleasedontwatchthese9593
      @pleasedontwatchthese9593 3 года назад +15

      I just assumed they where being cheap lol

    • @Martink9191
      @Martink9191 3 года назад +13

      actually they are straight cut, because they are only gears that are actually pushed into position. It is bit hard to achieve with helical gears. Well yes you can still juse syncros, but I have no idea, why they do not do it.
      BTW dogboxes also whine and they are straight cut.

    • @hutsaniffo
      @hutsaniffo 3 года назад +1

      @@Martink9191 Not using synchro's is probably cheaper

    • @808bigisland
      @808bigisland 3 года назад +4

      Reverse is designed for 1h of total use during the car's lifetime. Cheap, cheap, cheap.

  • @jakegolliher2891
    @jakegolliher2891 3 года назад

    One thing I will say as an owner of a 90s manual and a 2020s manual is that driving manual with an electric throttle is an entirely different beast. Personally, a manual with throttle by wire feels so much more connected and pure.

  • @jamielombardo5292
    @jamielombardo5292 3 года назад +3

    Funny you mentioned Woodward test. I have torn up 3 auto transmissions and one engine driving at WOT on Woodward ave.

  • @juancuelloespinosa
    @juancuelloespinosa 3 года назад +1

    13:30 that's so interesting. I always figured the whine was some effect of the wheels going in reverse or something, not the engagement of the reverse gear

    • @dannyboy22racer
      @dannyboy22racer 3 года назад +2

      It's the straight cut gears, same noise if you listen to a rally or race car that has straight cut forward gears

    • @willnzsurf
      @willnzsurf 3 года назад

      That sound effect he did was pretty epic.😹

  • @ajslade813
    @ajslade813 3 года назад +13

    It sounds like, with semi direct you can adjust the feel of the shifter and throw to whatever you want. Nice move by Cadillac

    • @charlay23
      @charlay23 3 года назад

      True. Semi-Remote seems like a great compromise, but also it can actually even be adjusted and tuned for a particular feel. Very good.

    • @TucsonDude
      @TucsonDude 3 года назад +1

      The only real difference is the linkage is outside rather than inside the physical transmission.

  • @jeffdigiovanni2139
    @jeffdigiovanni2139 Год назад

    You totally thought to yourself... "How can I drive a CT5-V Blackwing in one of my videos?.... Hmm... Oh ya, we'll talk about the, uh..."
    Having said that - this is the *first* and *only* video I've seen that has covered the cool trickery around the manual in the BWs. Well done.

  • @johansmith4764
    @johansmith4764 3 года назад +3

    I have only been driving with a stick in my cars. In one of the tractors I drive at one of the farms I work on it is a semiautomatic gearbox. However... There is a clutch pedal in there to help the driver when driving in reverse with a grain transport or something like that!

  • @freedomfighter1000
    @freedomfighter1000 3 года назад

    The smile on your face says it all... i have a 2nd gen cts v manual and I get it! 6.2 l lsa 1.9 blower, tremec 6 speed, open headers sounds so so sweeeeeeeeeet. I have always babied this vehicle, i keep a suede brush in the car to brush the shifter and steering wheel at red lights... LOVE is a funny thing...

  • @larryjepeal4409
    @larryjepeal4409 3 года назад +7

    It is hard to believe you can get a manual transmission in a Cadillac and not a Corvette!

    • @berto1014
      @berto1014 3 года назад +2

      Way more room with the caddy having the engine up front and the drive wheels in the back. Gives room to link up to the transmission easier. But mid engine (behind the driver) and then rear wheel drive - now that's going to be a challenge. Probably would need to use indirect linkages which would just feel "improper" for the corvette.

    • @larryjepeal4409
      @larryjepeal4409 3 года назад

      @@berto1014 corvette has had a transaxle since 1997

    • @berto1014
      @berto1014 3 года назад

      @@larryjepeal4409 transaxles can be automatic or manual

    • @larryjepeal4409
      @larryjepeal4409 3 года назад

      @@berto1014 that is my point

    • @berto1014
      @berto1014 3 года назад

      @@larryjepeal4409 my point is because the Corvette is now mid engine and rear wheel drive, the only way you would accomplish that manual with a transaxle would be with indirect cable linkages and that wouldn't feel proper for a Corvette.

  • @SidSanyal
    @SidSanyal 3 года назад

    So much fun to develop a deeper appreciation for what the car can do and how we can enjoy it.

  • @Padre_Destino
    @Padre_Destino 3 года назад +7

    Cadillac... The ultimate driving machine! :-)

  • @shrimpflea
    @shrimpflea 3 года назад

    That manual seems so nice. I can confirm your thoughts on the Subaru. My 2013 5 spd Forester is like shifting an old tractor.

  • @UntappedGarage
    @UntappedGarage 3 года назад +8

    11:41 - Cadillac: "Oh, no, no, no, you're a smart guy, clearly picked up some flashy tricks, but you made one crucial mistake. You forgot about the essence of the game. It's about the cones."

    • @Piracanto
      @Piracanto 3 года назад

      And that's how Pawnee got free WiFi.

  • @williamtaftt
    @williamtaftt 3 года назад

    number 8: Were using the same thing as we have been for the past 40 years, but now the loud noise when backing up is a ✨feature✨

  • @gort8203
    @gort8203 3 года назад +5

    All I want to know beside pedal placement for heel-and-toe, is does the engine RPM float or lag when you are trying to rev match during shifts.

    • @astra3459
      @astra3459 3 года назад

      Which one is better sir. Float or lag? Thank you

    • @sntslilhlpr6601
      @sntslilhlpr6601 3 года назад

      Surely you can tune that out if you really want to.

    • @joseacuna3239
      @joseacuna3239 3 года назад

      It should be, the rev hang is designed to improve emissions.

    • @gort8203
      @gort8203 3 года назад

      @@sntslilhlpr6601 How do you tune it out?

  • @trevormcculloch5011
    @trevormcculloch5011 3 года назад

    I was today years old when I found out why manual cars sound so cool when in reverse. Thanks

  • @Desert_Rogue_Tanker
    @Desert_Rogue_Tanker 3 года назад +8

    ICE AND THE MANUAL AIN'T GONNA GO NOWHERE

  • @EnergyTRE
    @EnergyTRE 3 года назад +1

    love the videos bro. always nice to see another car junky grinding it out.

  • @rhynosouris710
    @rhynosouris710 3 года назад +3

    Manual transmission - Millennial anti-theft device

  • @STimedic1
    @STimedic1 3 года назад

    Jason, if your Crosstrek manual is '18+, drop a WRX short shifter in it. I did within 2 wks of getting our '21 and it went from long throws with vague feeling to short and comfortably notchy!

  • @dj_laundry_list
    @dj_laundry_list 3 года назад +6

    PLEASE buy this, people! I want a cheap used one in 10 years

    • @hyposez1129
      @hyposez1129 3 года назад

      Same if its like 10-20k in 10 years

    • @raymonds7492
      @raymonds7492 3 года назад

      Fortunately 50% of preorders are manuals

  • @LawrenceMarkFearon
    @LawrenceMarkFearon 3 года назад +2

    Gen 5 Viper used the same Tremec transmission but with direct shifter mounting for maximum mechanical feel and feedback. Kind of like the whole car. Similar to the Blackwing you could feel the torque flowing through the drivetrain like only the worlds powerful rear wheel drive manuals provide exclusively.

  • @synthwave7
    @synthwave7 3 года назад +6

    Wow - I'm impressed with this American car - really great tech included and looks modern - nearly German.

  • @IronAndDiesel
    @IronAndDiesel Год назад

    Love the technical review!

  • @alexberman8900
    @alexberman8900 3 года назад +3

    My 2017 Mazda 6 (manual) kinda prevents money shifting, it doesn't let me select first gear if I'm going over 20mph (first gear goes to 30mph)

    • @waterloo123100
      @waterloo123100 3 года назад +6

      That’s called a lockout. Pretty much on every modern manual will not let you go into 1st or reverse while going the opposite direction.

    • @alexberman8900
      @alexberman8900 3 года назад

      @@waterloo123100 thanks for telling me

  • @Patrick94GSR
    @Patrick94GSR 3 года назад +1

    So that’s why 90’s Honda manual transmissions felt so great, as they used solid rod shift linkages. Also Miatas have a small internal linkage from the shifter to the actual shift forks.

  • @BadDFWDrivers
    @BadDFWDrivers 3 года назад +3

    I thought the reverse thing is done because it makes it very strong at the cost of whine. Seeing how reverse is usually only used for a few seconds and at lower speeds (so less whine) it makes sense to plop it in there.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 года назад +1

      Not strength based, first is helical and designed to handle the torque.

    • @laurean5998
      @laurean5998 3 года назад

      @@EngineeringExplained if you can make the gears just as strong, smaller and not have axial loads on the 3rd shaft, which is only used by reverse, then why make it bigger and heavier?

    • @C.I...
      @C.I... 3 года назад

      It's so you can engage it. Reverse has to slide across rather than perpendicular to the shaft it engages with. If helical allowed you to easily engage it sideways, it would throw it off with the axial load anyway.

  • @adamtrombino106
    @adamtrombino106 3 года назад

    The TR6060 is IMO the best trans out there. In the aftermarket, you can get them with ratios tailored to you needs. And it is STRONG!

  • @oscarjeans4119
    @oscarjeans4119 3 года назад +8

    The death of petrol engines and manuals is so sad. I have been dreaming about owing a fun car for over a decade. I have been even fairly detailed planning a project build that definitly was going to be petrol powered and manual. I have finally got a proper job but by the time I save up enough money and get around to buying/building, I'm going to look like an absolute dinosaur...

    • @akotoada
      @akotoada 3 года назад +1

      You shouldn't care what other people think. Buy what you like and can afford. There is still a demand for manual transmissions in the enthusiasts car community especially in certain cars.

    • @j_taylor
      @j_taylor 3 года назад +1

      Oh, you have lots of great vehicles to choose from!
      The car I most enjoyed was a 12-year-old little Integra. The interior was worn out, but the engine and transmission were sweeeet!
      Older cars don't cost a lot to buy, and if you choose carefully, they won't cost a lot to own either. And manual transmissions are mature technology; you'll get the same joy give or take a decade.

  • @Kerleem
    @Kerleem 3 года назад

    I recently did a video on manuals in Europe and people here (in Europe) are wondering why I did that video. It's because in the US, manuals are dying, except (in some cases) for performance vehicles like this one.
    Great video Jason!

    • @raymonds7492
      @raymonds7492 2 года назад +1

      I’d say that when an American sees a manual we imagine performance driving.

  • @CowboysCreed
    @CowboysCreed 3 года назад +6

    I wish I had learned to drive a manual

    • @waterloo123100
      @waterloo123100 3 года назад +5

      It’s easy and fun once you do it.

    • @rolandotillit2867
      @rolandotillit2867 3 года назад +3

      It's never too late. Once you understand how a clutch works, you can practice in your mind, or via sims. No clutch usage, transmission and engine are one, yes clutch usage transmission and engine are two.

    • @Mgoblagulkablong
      @Mgoblagulkablong 3 года назад +1

      just learn it now then...

    • @adithyavk1764
      @adithyavk1764 3 года назад

      You can learn it now. Hardly takes an hour to get started. Then you'll get familiar with practice.

    • @HotDogSlayer
      @HotDogSlayer 3 года назад

      Super easy to learn if you’ve got access to a car and a parking lot, my friend taught me and I taught my ex both in less than an hour

  • @james2042
    @james2042 3 года назад +2

    Knowing these V8 supercharged monsters will be the last of their kind breaks my heart. But I wouldn't want to see these cars made for 20 more years either. I want this era of car to be remembered the same way the muscle cars of the 60's or japanese sports cars of the 90's are remembered.

    • @yungboicontigo9278
      @yungboicontigo9278 3 года назад +1

      Facts bro. The 2010s and early 2020s is the year of muscle car revolution. We got the Hellcat, Demon, Shelby GT350/GT500, Camaro ZL1 1LE, and that’s it. Didn’t include the Viper or corvette because I don’t consider those to be muscle cars. We will look back at those cars in the 2050s when the world is full of EVs.

  • @jamesrobinson9176
    @jamesrobinson9176 3 года назад +6

    How do you know this is the last? This car has nearly 50% sales as a manual, can't imagine they'd leave that number of sales on the table.

    • @QueensGTO_Viper
      @QueensGTO_Viper 3 года назад +4

      Great point, but unfortunately it seems like they aren't interested in what the market wants anymore. They seem to be promoting some automotive future no one asked for 🤷‍♂️

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  3 года назад +11

      Because I asked them, and that's what they said. Yes, thankfully a lot of the buyers of this have gone manual, but it's not a high volume car.

    • @TML34
      @TML34 3 года назад +3

      @@EngineeringExplained oh sure, come here with your first hand knowledge and facts, will you? The internet will have none of the that! 😂

  • @RoobehTunes
    @RoobehTunes 3 года назад +1

    This Cadillac really looks awesome as well!

  • @PranavSharma94
    @PranavSharma94 3 года назад +4

    Last era of manuals. Its like all the great inventions have already been here and gone.

  • @taylorsutherland9447
    @taylorsutherland9447 3 года назад +1

    It's funny, Cadillac was trying their best to get away from manually shifted transmissions in the 1930s. Automatic meant luxury. And here we are with essentially a Vett with nice interior called a Caddie...

  • @dannyboio37
    @dannyboio37 3 года назад +6

    This is why I living In the UK, we still know how to drive 😂
    Mostly manuals here

    • @lighteningbolt6397
      @lighteningbolt6397 3 года назад +3

      Yeah here and mostly the rest of the world outside America Manuals are still quite prominent

    • @wcurtin1962
      @wcurtin1962 3 года назад

      People are already importing Japanese cars here despite them being right hand drive. I imagine that importing British cars will also rise to get manual transmissions.

    • @Spooky4815
      @Spooky4815 3 года назад

      Not a lot of 6.2 liters v8's tho

    • @jamesengland7461
      @jamesengland7461 3 года назад

      Plenty of Americans happily drive manual.

    • @lighteningbolt6397
      @lighteningbolt6397 3 года назад

      @@jamesengland7461 yes but plenty more happily drive automatic or don't know how to, numbers are decreasing there and also the 3rd pedal is like an anti theft device in the US but not all places

  • @hpd_hero
    @hpd_hero Год назад

    great video man!

  • @anthonyc1883
    @anthonyc1883 3 года назад +5

    I wouldn't stand a snowball's of chance fitting in that car. Our host is super-slender and he seems to fit between those seat bolsters like a hand in glove.

    • @stevenholderby6354
      @stevenholderby6354 3 года назад +3

      I'm 6'2" 225 and it was comfy when I sat in one, albeit just a bit snug.

  • @tomdelisle8955
    @tomdelisle8955 3 года назад

    My dream car because of the manual. I have always had a manual since my first car, and will hate when I have to give one up.

  • @imtiredtoday
    @imtiredtoday 3 года назад +4

    I nearly money shifted a rental (Smart forfour) I was in 4th when reaching a stoplight, my mind because of some reason though ohh it's 2nd gear the car is in so let's just go to first gear. The only reason that that wasn't a money shift of
    It's that I was doing+-45km/h and reline for 1st great in that car is 50km/h.
    For a tiny bit of context this was my first time in 7 months driving a manual car (my family "owns" one car and it's electric and these car sharing services are not to outrageous in terms of cost)
    TLDR: Yeah so 7 months no manual driving, the first time getting into a manual car I NEARLY money shift.

    • @j_taylor
      @j_taylor 3 года назад +1

      It's dangerous both directions!
      I had been driving manual for a while, then borrowed an automatic one day. In the exit lane of the highway, I popped the clutch as usual to downshift...that is, I found the pedal with my left foot and pushed it to the floor. The brake pedal.
      The loud noise, tire smoke, and sideways slide, were a strong clue to my mistake. Wink mit dem Pfaunstahl, I believe is your expression. 😁

  • @cadillacdebois
    @cadillacdebois 2 года назад

    Rod shift? I love it, I learned on a 3 on the tree-rod shift 68 GMC. My first car and 4 since have been Cadillacs, I so want one of these, Cadillac guy since birth!

  • @johnbarker5009
    @johnbarker5009 3 года назад

    I like the sound of the rev matching. One of the things working against manual transmissions in the current generation of vehicles is their tendency to rev hang on shifts.

    • @dannyboy22racer
      @dannyboy22racer 3 года назад +1

      The rev hang is usually down to overly heavy flywheels and lean fuel conditions for lower emissions

  • @JohnDoe-xr5is
    @JohnDoe-xr5is 3 года назад +5

    Another special feature of the new Cadillacs: If you hold onto it for 10 years, you'll pay two to three times the average in repair bills!

    • @dcsteve7869
      @dcsteve7869 3 года назад +4

      uh no. In fact the 2nd gen CTS-V is legendary for it's reliability and ability to take abuse. It's held it's value better and has a much lower cost of ownership than the comparable M and AMG. GM LS/LT engines and the TR6060 are incredibly well built

    • @kristians2704
      @kristians2704 3 года назад +2

      that's true of 90% of modern luxury cars

    • @VAspeed3
      @VAspeed3 3 года назад +1

      Still far less than a Benz or Bimmer.

  • @myname9252
    @myname9252 3 года назад +1

    Honestly props to GM for offering a stick still.
    Just kind of odd that the c8 doesnt though.