Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Been a Matthew's guy my whole life, don't see myself changing anytime soon. The stealth advantage is the biggest one for me, I tune my bows and practice relentlessly so I'm not as worried about my form or grip being off. Once I have the feel of the bow committed to muscle memory, I trust myself to hold true. But that feeling when a silent stick slips through a deer at 40 yards before it realizes it was even on the way, that is what it's all about for me. I really enjoyed the review!
I’m with you but curious to try Hoyt . I did years ago while looking for a lighter hiking bow but upon firing it’s like holding a explosion. Not a big deal for one shot but 50 shots a day wouldn’t be fun. Something different for everyone. Bows don’t matter it’s the hobby that does matter .
They are both amazing bows, he had to dig deep to give the edge to the Hoyt and I’m sure his personal bias paid a part.. either way if you can shoot almost any new mid to top tier bow is going to be fantastic..
Oh I guarantee there’s a relationship with Hoyt in some way still.. Not saying he’s dishonest and not saying I think there is anything wrong with that but he had to dig deep to find a reason to give it to Hoyt .. both bows are exceptional Hoyt’s are just so bad on hand shock..
Josh - know you and the Mrs are two of the hardest working bow hunters out there, but as a die hard compound archer I really appreciate this video. While your schedules and sponsors can make this difficult, please do more videos like this and your arrow building video. Even if you only review one bow there’s an immense amount of useful archery info in these videos and I just keep coming back to them.
This video was extremely helpful. I’m 11 and I have a diamond edge. I just picked up my first nice hunting jacket which was a Sitka fanatic hoody. Your videos inspire to hunt white tails with a bow. Thanks Josh for all the good videos
Get it kid 💪 . Sitka gear is some amazing stuff and has helped me stay in the woods longer thus killing many wall hangers due to sitting longer. The diamond edge is a great youth bow and has massive amounts of adjustment as you age
Best bow comparison I've ever seen. You were thorough and very detailed. And you nailed all the key points that mattered for a bow HUNTER! I could care less about those paper shooters. I practice religiously with my bow and still be off my mark when shooting a giant buck. It's just the adrenaline, the cold, the nerves, maybe I'm rushing it, or the bucks taking forever to step out, everything that can go wrong WILL go wrong and the bow still needs to shoot lights out for me. You did a great job to keep the viewer engaged and your delivery was perfect. Please do more of these videos. Thank you!
Long time coming!! The knowledge alone in this video is outstanding!! I can definitely appreciate the unbiased comparison and appreciate the dedication it takes to make this video. I have to admit you ALMOST had me considering switching from my BowTech Revolt! Can’t wait for the next upload!
I like these comparison videos. Hearing the actual facts from someone who has so much knowledge about archery is great! Would love to see more of these! Thanks Josh.
Wow! That video blew my mind. You are a some kind of a super genius. That video is packed with super helpful information and really informed me on the qualities to look for in my next bow. Thank you so much!
Great to see someone who isn't bias to one brand do a honest comparison. Both companies make a great product, It all depends on what your looking for out of the bow. I just found your channel and love the content your putting out, Keep the knowledge and great information coming.
Great video Josh. Respectful point on both sides. I’ve just never enjoyed the Hoyt draw cycle and it seems like in the past the price compared to other flagship bows from other companies seemed off balance. It’s just all shooter preference in my opinion. Just another Chevy Ford Dodge conversation lol
Hey I have been a fan of your shows for years and I actually started bow hunting because of your show and I have gun hunted for years and love it but I just recently bought a nose button and it has completely changed my accuracy and I want to thank you for inspiring not only me but everyone that watches you show
Ive worked in an out of a Archery shop for the past 30 plus yrs and have my own shop at home now an I have to say This was the Best comparison video of these 2 bows that I've ever seen! Very very informative video! I totally agree on every aspect too even though I shoot a 27.5 draw the Hoyt has been my choice for several years now!
I was thinking about switching back to Mathews but I am going to stick with my Hoyt hyperforce. Great video! I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this video.
I had the craze 2 triax and Vertix and there a big jump from the craze to the Triax and Vertix. The V3 is by far the best back wall that I’ve shot though
I would be so happy to own either one of these bows, I’m currently using a PSE Stinger and it’s not the fanciest bow but it’s a decent one that doesn’t break the bank. One day I’ll probably do something crazy and buy a Hoyt but.... that won’t be for a while. Great video!
I always thought I couldn't hit water falling out a boat, there are tons I just learned about the bow and proper tuning through the entire comparison list he just described. A bow shop will be my next stop. Bowfishing might be behind me now, hay field armadillo will be my next way to get better with a proper bow. Thanks Josh!!
Thanks for the video. New to Bow Hunting and looking for intel on whats important to consider when purchasing ones first Bow. So much information. Hard to keep it all straight. Cheers
@God's Com'n Yes the Atlas goes to 34 DL but the VXR which is what he is testing in this video only goes to 31 DL and he mentioned that his DL is slightly longer than 31.
This is by far the best brand comparison video of any kind out there! I love how you dove in and broke down all of the critical components of the shootability of a bow. Well done Bowmars!
Very easy to understand why the Hoyt was more forgiving. The Axius Ultra is a 34" ATA bow with a 6 3/4" BH. This bow lends itself to be forgiving, especially for a long draw archer. These are also some of the reasons the VXR is so much faster.
I wonder how the Axius would stack up to one of Mathews longer bows like the Traverse with a 33”ATA and 6.625” BH. Thats the bow I went with because many with longer draw lengths preferred it over the VXR and Vertix.
@@ctfishing2021 The Traverse is a great bow. Possibly the best hunting bow Mathews has ever put out, IMO. I figure Bomar chose the VXR due to switch weight capability and the ability to get 75+lb.
Really like how you broke this down, gives people a lot to think about if they are bow shopping. For me the back wall is huge and is why I favor my VXR over my last year's Hoyt. Also the best thing you can buy IMO for hunting accuracy which is akward positions and abnormal conditions is the BOWMAR nose button if you don't have one you really got to try it.
Thank you for that in depth comparison. Most people focus on just the speeds and weights of the bow but you went into what really matters when buying a bow
They are all good bows! What's important is how your treated after you buy it. Cracked a limb on my Mathews. Sent to Mathews expecting to pay for a new one, new limb NO CHARGE ! My Hoyt riser snapped in half right above my hand hitting me in the face. Sorry nothing we can do about it ! Never will buy another Hoyt !!!
My limbs started to delaminate on on a Mathews MQ1 12 years after I bought it. Took it to Scheels sporting goods and they contacted Mathews. Mathews had new limbs for me, NO CHARGE !!! in two days which was awesome because bow season opened like 4 days later. Customer service matters. i wont look at another bow manufacturer.
I'm buying a 2021 too, not sure who yet but I think the amount of ppl that switched from hoyt to mathews cause of the vxr is why hoyts taking an extra 3 months compared to everyone else in the release of their 2021 models. Beyond excited to see what hoyts done
Nice comparison and so true about the forgiveness of a bow being right up at the top of the list for a hunter. We don’t hunt in ideal situations and you need your bow to overcome situations in real life hunting scenarios.
It feels like I have been waiting on this video for so long!! It did not disappoint! Thank you!! Very deep, very detailed. Please make more videos on those details with a bow that are usually overlooked!! You are awesome! 🇺🇲👊🏽
I love my mathews traverse! I also have a long draw at 32.4" so this video helps with the spin arrows i will give a try this year with my arrow build this year! Thanks for all your informational videos you do!! Keep them coming please. Your the reason I started bow hunting and its nice to know the way a taller person sets up the riggs!
You have, without question, the most thoughtful reviews and explanations of what you use and why. It’s super helpful to understand your actual experience with the products you use and why you make changes. Most of the good shooters are sponsored and biased. The rest are mediocre shooters and their reviews are not super helpful. I first heard about torque tuning a few weeks ago at my local pro shop and thought they were messing with me. I’ll definitely be taking the time to torque tune my bow now. Love the channel!
It looks like he’s comparing a vxr 28 to a rx3 which has an axle to axle of 30.5 which makes a huge difference... should have been done with the vxr 31.5 for a better comparison and would change the outcome on some of the problems
I wasn't even considering the 28 until I shot it on my 4th time of testing. It just felt way better to me. I dont shoot out west so it seemed like a perfect fit. I do however plan on practicing alot this winter out to 60 yds. So maybe regret will set in a bit? There all great bows in my opinion. I just went with what felt best in the end.
@@ernestodelao1601 yeah, i probably just need more practice. When I miss it is left or right, so just torquing hand I am sure. Have robin hood an arrow too.. does fly nice, fast and flat.
Things didn't go as planned thru the summer didn't shoot nearly as much as I wanted to. Getting a custom string put on ASAP then shooting more! I'll see wht happens at 60yds. Out too 30 I've never shot tighter groups!
I still believe the Traverse is the best bow Mathews has made! Had 2 Hoyt Carbon bows and they creeped like a Mofo! Nice on the hand in cold weather though and light as a feather.
thanks for your hardwork! Truly a class act, Bowmar Bowhuntung. I'm curious, what your thoughts on Oneida, as I am also a fan of Tim Wells, if you had any experience with them. And if so, did you do a comparison?
Started with Mathews and haven't found anything that I like better or any problems that would cause me to change. Seems like Hoyt has lost a few folks over the last year or so......
I have been looking forward for this review! Great video with lots of awesome information! You should do a review on pse next! I shoot one and absolutely love it and they have improved so much! Thanks for the great content and entertainment! I just with I knew as much about tuning my bow as you!
@@BowmarBowhunting I was hoping someone would comment on that, as I didn't want to double post. I am assuming that is custom? I don't see that combo on their site.
Great video josh. Found a bottle of bowmar nutrition bcaas in my kitchen the other day and was a little confused, come to find out my wife also knows you guys. Couldn’t believe it. You and Sarah got quite the empire going!
Great video Josh. You are correct, forgiveness is so important. Most archers won't have the shooting skill and technique you have, so the errors will be exageratted ever further, in theory. Glad to hear your unbiased review of these two great bows.
I shoot a hoyt magnatec intruder. Can't remember when that bow came out. 25+years ago? Haven't had to do anything to it since I got it. Shoots awesome. Maybe someday i'll upgrade to a new/used one.
I wonder if the spongy back wall in the hoyt might be a result of the mods being in two separate positions. That may cause the cable tensions to vary more than they normally would which could result in a less rigid back wall. Despite that I still think the mathews has the better back wall.
I have never heard of the issue that he had with having to run the arrow nock high. I think he just didn't have his cams timed because I've tuned 100+ Hoyt's this year and all of them were running on the middle of string, dead level, all bullet holes. But, cam timing is 99% of getting a hybrid cam to tune correctly
Torque tuning is so important and I'm glad you brought it up... I was a staff shooter for PSE for a lot of years... invented the Jim Dandy bowhunter super tool back in the 90s to help tune bows and I learned a few things great video thanks... I'll stick with my carbon stealth 35... I mean it weighs 3.5 lb bare... strapped to my backpack I have to reach back to make sure it's still there...it's that light and shoots great
I’d be interested in seeing the results of a test on an RX4. I’m the same, just switched to a V3 from my RX4. Was never really happy with the RX4 way too temperamental. The axius is like the Helix. Good forgiving bow
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Been a Matthew's guy my whole life, don't see myself changing anytime soon. The stealth advantage is the biggest one for me, I tune my bows and practice relentlessly so I'm not as worried about my form or grip being off. Once I have the feel of the bow committed to muscle memory, I trust myself to hold true. But that feeling when a silent stick slips through a deer at 40 yards before it realizes it was even on the way, that is what it's all about for me. I really enjoyed the review!
Perfectly said word on that now too
I’m with you but curious to try Hoyt . I did years ago while looking for a lighter hiking bow but upon firing it’s like holding a explosion. Not a big deal for one shot but 50 shots a day wouldn’t be fun. Something different for everyone. Bows don’t matter it’s the hobby that does matter .
They are both amazing bows, he had to dig deep to give the edge to the Hoyt and I’m sure his personal bias paid a part.. either way if you can shoot almost any new mid to top tier bow is going to be fantastic..
Glad to see more people actually caring to have opinions and less sponsorship bs in the industry. Great video, super thorough about it
Oh I guarantee there’s a relationship with Hoyt in some way still.. Not saying he’s dishonest and not saying I think there is anything wrong with that but he had to dig deep to find a reason to give it to Hoyt .. both bows are exceptional Hoyt’s are just so bad on hand shock..
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I've shot bowtech for years and finally made a switch to Mathews and I dont regret it. I love my vertix
Same I have a Vertix and I used it for target this summer and got 1st in my state
That's because "bowtech" is mathews lol...lawsuit?
@@ramonwarren3144 I think that lawsuit was just over patent "infringements" at one point or another every bow company will come across that issue.
I shoot a infinite edge pro cause it a lot cheaper lol
@@adamo6641 gets the job done
One of the best bow reviews ever! You dug down deep for this one. Keep up the good work.
You break these bows down so well it’s incredible! Keep up the great work. By the way, the wires and lightning mounts are top notch.
Josh - know you and the Mrs are two of the hardest working bow hunters out there, but as a die hard compound archer I really appreciate this video. While your schedules and sponsors can make this difficult, please do more videos like this and your arrow building video. Even if you only review one bow there’s an immense amount of useful archery info in these videos and I just keep coming back to them.
This video was extremely helpful. I’m 11 and I have a diamond edge. I just picked up my first nice hunting jacket which was a Sitka fanatic hoody. Your videos inspire to hunt white tails with a bow. Thanks Josh for all the good videos
Get it kid 💪 . Sitka gear is some amazing stuff and has helped me stay in the woods longer thus killing many wall hangers due to sitting longer. The diamond edge is a great youth bow and has massive amounts of adjustment as you age
Hands down the best comparison video 👏👏👏. Now back to the important stuff, we want to know more about those 2 bucks 😍
Best bow comparison I've ever seen. You were thorough and very detailed. And you nailed all the key points that mattered for a bow HUNTER! I could care less about those paper shooters. I practice religiously with my bow and still be off my mark when shooting a giant buck. It's just the adrenaline, the cold, the nerves, maybe I'm rushing it, or the bucks taking forever to step out, everything that can go wrong WILL go wrong and the bow still needs to shoot lights out for me. You did a great job to keep the viewer engaged and your delivery was perfect. Please do more of these videos. Thank you!
Very well said, thanks for sharing your insight! A lot of people have the same troubles with shooting at a buck.. it’s not easy! Keep up the good work
Long time coming!! The knowledge alone in this video is outstanding!! I can definitely appreciate the unbiased comparison and appreciate the dedication it takes to make this video. I have to admit you ALMOST had me considering switching from my BowTech Revolt! Can’t wait for the next upload!
Thanks man! Means a lot!
Considering they’re both different length ATA is probably why the hoyt torque tuned at your DL. You should get the traverse or atlas and do that test
I have always wanted to see some head to head action without bias. This is a great video. It's like comparing a Ferrari vs Lambo😉😉😉
It really is! Thanks!
I like these comparison videos. Hearing the actual facts from someone who has so much knowledge about archery is great! Would love to see more of these! Thanks Josh.
I appreciate it bud thanks for watching
Wow! That video blew my mind. You are a some kind of a super genius. That video is packed with super helpful information and really informed me on the qualities to look for in my next bow. Thank you so much!
Thanks man!! I don’t think anyone would describe me as a genius 😂😂 but thank you!
Your always so humble! Did you hunt with the Hoyt ultra in Africa?
Love the video. Really gave me a better understanding on bows, keep up the great work guys
Thanks dude I appreciate it!
Smooth draw and shot is why I love Hoyt. Never could get my Switchback XT to shoot as well as my old Hoyt Magnatech.
I don't know much about tuning a bow but now understand how important it is. Thanks for the informative video. Keep up the good work. Africa !!
Great to see someone who isn't bias to one brand do a honest comparison. Both companies make a great product, It all depends on what your looking for out of the bow. I just found your channel and love the content your putting out, Keep the knowledge and great information coming.
Great video Josh. Respectful point on both sides. I’ve just never enjoyed the Hoyt draw cycle and it seems like in the past the price compared to other flagship bows from other companies seemed off balance. It’s just all shooter preference in my opinion. Just another Chevy Ford Dodge conversation lol
Definitely will be Waiting for your Torque Tuning Video👍👍👍
Hey I have been a fan of your shows for years and I actually started bow hunting because of your show and I have gun hunted for years and love it but I just recently bought a nose button and it has completely changed my accuracy and I want to thank you for inspiring not only me but everyone that watches you show
Ive worked in an out of a Archery shop for the past 30 plus yrs and have my own shop at home now an I have to say This was the Best comparison video of these 2 bows that I've ever seen! Very very informative video! I totally agree on every aspect too even though I shoot a 27.5 draw the Hoyt has been my choice for several years now!
Wow man that’s an epic compliment thank you so much!
I’ve had Hoyts and Mathews. Mathews always worked better for me. The new V3 is amazing. When you think Mathews can’t improve they always surprise me.
I was thinking about switching back to Mathews but I am going to stick with my Hoyt hyperforce. Great video! I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this video.
Thank you for taking the time to do this comparison. I didn't realize there was so much to consider when shooting different bows.
You’re so welcome!
Thanks for all your help in the archery industry. Very happy with all your advice and help.
YESSSSSSSSS!!! Been waiting for this video! Super stoked to watch it!
Thanks man!
I have never seen a deer anywhere close to the size of the ones in the back. Thanks for the info keep the vids coming.
Mathews never had bad grips! You just have woman hands
Can't wait to see a comparison between. This Mathews and the Hoyt Centrum. That appears to be a really nice bow.
I’ve been looking forward to this review for a LONG time. Thanks josh.
I have a Mathews craze 2 it's nice but the draw back feels kinda funny. Love the videos keep up the good work👍
Thanks man!
I had the craze 2 triax and Vertix and there a big jump from the craze to the Triax and Vertix. The V3 is by far the best back wall that I’ve shot though
I would be so happy to own either one of these bows, I’m currently using a PSE Stinger and it’s not the fanciest bow but it’s a decent one that doesn’t break the bank. One day I’ll probably do something crazy and buy a Hoyt but.... that won’t be for a while.
Great video!
I love the mounts - the trophy room is really tastefully done! Love the Bowmar products, especially the wrap!
Definitely the most in depth bow comparison I’ve seen
Its soooooo hard to pay attention while those awesome mounts are in the back!!
Haha!
Agreed! Lol
Where can you shoot 2 legged deer like in those mounts? Lol
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OCD bigger than sh** about this stuff and I love it! Looking forward to the tork tuning video.
Thanks man!
I always thought I couldn't hit water falling out a boat, there are tons I just learned about the bow and proper tuning through the entire comparison list he just described. A bow shop will be my next stop. Bowfishing might be behind me now, hay field armadillo will be my next way to get better with a proper bow. Thanks Josh!!
Thanks for the video. New to Bow Hunting and looking for intel on whats important to consider when purchasing ones first Bow. So much information. Hard to keep it all straight. Cheers
You’re welcome and thanks for watching
Always the best time of the day for a bow mar video
Thanks bro
Thanks bro
You should review the new Mathews Atlas. I bet it would tune better because the vxr DL maxes out at 31
@God's Com'n Yes the Atlas goes to 34 DL but the VXR which is what he is testing in this video only goes to 31 DL and he mentioned that his DL is slightly longer than 31.
And Mathews usually runs 1/2 - 3/4 long.
This is by far the best brand comparison video of any kind out there! I love how you dove in and broke down all of the critical components of the shootability of a bow. Well done Bowmars!
You are incredible brother. Love your videos. Thinking about going to look at the hoyt ventum pro 33
Thanks man!
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Very easy to understand why the Hoyt was more forgiving. The Axius Ultra is a 34" ATA bow with a 6 3/4" BH. This bow lends itself to be forgiving, especially for a long draw archer. These are also some of the reasons the VXR is so much faster.
I wonder how the Axius would stack up to one of Mathews longer bows like the Traverse with a 33”ATA and 6.625” BH. Thats the bow I went with because many with longer draw lengths preferred it over the VXR and Vertix.
@@ctfishing2021 The Traverse is a great bow. Possibly the best hunting bow Mathews has ever put out, IMO.
I figure Bomar chose the VXR due to switch weight capability and the ability to get 75+lb.
Really like how you broke this down, gives people a lot to think about if they are bow shopping. For me the back wall is huge and is why I favor my VXR over my last year's Hoyt. Also the best thing you can buy IMO for hunting accuracy which is akward positions and abnormal conditions is the BOWMAR nose button if you don't have one you really got to try it.
Thanks for the support with the nose button man! Happy to hear that you’re loving it!
Thank you for that in depth comparison. Most people focus on just the speeds and weights of the bow but you went into what really matters when buying a bow
They are all good bows! What's important is how your treated after you buy it. Cracked a limb on my Mathews. Sent to Mathews expecting to pay for a new one, new limb NO CHARGE ! My Hoyt riser snapped in half right above my hand hitting me in the face. Sorry nothing we can do about it ! Never will buy another Hoyt !!!
My limbs started to delaminate on on a Mathews MQ1 12 years after I bought it. Took it to Scheels sporting goods and they contacted Mathews. Mathews had new limbs for me, NO CHARGE !!! in two days which was awesome because bow season opened like 4 days later. Customer service matters. i wont look at another bow manufacturer.
Your riser snapped in half? I'm calling major BS on that one+
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Yea right it snapped in half. BS.
Definitely was looking forward to this video. Gotta really debate in the new purchase for 2021
I'm buying a 2021 too, not sure who yet but I think the amount of ppl that switched from hoyt to mathews cause of the vxr is why hoyts taking an extra 3 months compared to everyone else in the release of their 2021 models. Beyond excited to see what hoyts done
You're a mad man when it comes to archery Josh! Great video!
Glad you guys are back! I've been itching for some more content!
Have a good Christmas and have a blessed week
You too!
Nice comparison and so true about the forgiveness of a bow being right up at the top of the list for a hunter. We don’t hunt in ideal situations and you need your bow to overcome situations in real life hunting scenarios.
Very true bro I agree!
Thank you for the honest no BS review! I love my VXR but not a die hard Mathews guy. My last bow was a Hoyt.
I have an axius alpha and the back wall is as solid as a rock
Finally I love all of your videos keep it up guys
Thanks man
@@BowmarBowhunting any tips to getting better at shooting out of a blind
It feels like I have been waiting on this video for so long!! It did not disappoint! Thank you!! Very deep, very detailed. Please make more videos on those details with a bow that are usually overlooked!! You are awesome! 🇺🇲👊🏽
Thanks bud!
Glad we got a final true review with no endorsements in the way!!
Love your channel! Keep up the great work!
Thanks bud
I would love to hear what you think about the Black or Nexus from Prime
Best is prime centergy hybrid bro, simple this
I love my mathews traverse! I also have a long draw at 32.4" so this video helps with the spin arrows i will give a try this year with my arrow build this year! Thanks for all your informational videos you do!! Keep them coming please. Your the reason I started bow hunting and its nice to know the way a taller person sets up the riggs!
That’s so cool dude I’m so happy to help, thanks for watching!
@@BowmarBowhunting its my pleasure! Wish you all the best and a merry Christmas!!!
Great video guys! I've been bow hunting for a ling time and STILL learned a lot from this video.
Good to hear thank you
Awesome review!!! Here’s to luck at 200k!
Thanks dude!
Mathews quieter, easier to tune, just as fast, Cheaper, holds steady. If you want an 80 lb mathews put the Wake limbs on it!
Shut up bruh
@@stacy.spenny if you want to spend $1600 on a hoyt be my guest i can buy 2 mathews for that price!
@@stacy.spenny whoops just looked it up RX4 ultra is $1749
@@stacy.spenny plus he forgot to mention the mathews is 3 inches shorter axle to axle and has a shorter brace height so it will be less forgiving.
Good in depths video. As a novice hunter I think the Hoyts forgiveness is the better option.
really appreciate unbiased opinions an hunting gear in a world dominated by sponsorships
Hoyt for last 20years. Can't beat them. Very dependable.
No they are not. Troll
Your average bow hunter isn't torque tuning.
Then be a better bow hunter
@@theinnatechase6608 sorry best bow hunter ever 😂
They definitely aren’t. You can make the argument that if you’re an average bow Hunter you SHOULD torque tune to help with your inconsistencies.
@@jonathanperillo1795 I bet you 75% of the people that watched this don't torque tune.
Most just tune there bows and go hunt. Make sure center shot is good. Either bare shaft tune or paper tune and that's it.
Enjoyed the comparison greatly, as you included a lot of things most hunters don't generally consider... great backdrop to the shootout as well!
This is the best bow comparison video Ive ever seen , great work 👍🏽
Glad you enjoyed it!
You should do a Bowtech review too! Best unbiased review I’ve seen!
I could never get past the riser on hoyts
I'd love to get a Hoyt Carbon but can't afford it. Mathews are much more within my price range.
Glad to see you guys are back. Hope everything is good. God bless and Merry Christmas
You have, without question, the most thoughtful reviews and explanations of what you use and why. It’s super helpful to understand your actual experience with the products you use and why you make changes. Most of the good shooters are sponsored and biased. The rest are mediocre shooters and their reviews are not super helpful. I first heard about torque tuning a few weeks ago at my local pro shop and thought they were messing with me. I’ll definitely be taking the time to torque tune my bow now. Love the channel!
It looks like he’s comparing a vxr 28 to a rx3 which has an axle to axle of 30.5 which makes a huge difference... should have been done with the vxr 31.5 for a better comparison and would change the outcome on some of the problems
Its not a 28, I bought the 28 and almost regret it.
I wasn't even considering the 28 until I shot it on my 4th time of testing. It just felt way better to me. I dont shoot out west so it seemed like a perfect fit. I do however plan on practicing alot this winter out to 60 yds. So maybe regret will set in a bit? There all great bows in my opinion. I just went with what felt best in the end.
That's not a RX3 for starters
@@ernestodelao1601 yeah, i probably just need more practice. When I miss it is left or right, so just torquing hand I am sure. Have robin hood an arrow too.. does fly nice, fast and flat.
Things didn't go as planned thru the summer didn't shoot nearly as much as I wanted to. Getting a custom string put on ASAP then shooting more! I'll see wht happens at 60yds. Out too 30 I've never shot tighter groups!
I still believe the Traverse is the best bow Mathews has made! Had 2 Hoyt Carbon bows and they creeped like a Mofo! Nice on the hand in cold weather though and light as a feather.
Second that. I will never sell my Traverse
Halon 6
thanks for your hardwork! Truly a class act, Bowmar Bowhuntung. I'm curious, what your thoughts on Oneida, as I am also a fan of Tim Wells, if you had any experience with them. And if so, did you do a comparison?
Absolutely amazing video I think one of the best on RUclips thank you for explaining through the whole thing!
I still shake with a 100 pound doe
Your not the only one
The reason I love Bowhunting so much is Becuase of that adrenaline rush
Go check it out tomorrow on my RUclips! I killed a huge doe and my dad smoked a big buck!
Started with Mathews and haven't found anything that I like better or any problems that would cause me to change. Seems like Hoyt has lost a few folks over the last year or so......
Yeah bc most folks can’t afford a Hoyt
@@ANuts223 - and because they aren’t worth the extra price tag
Great feedback. I don't know how often you do these side by side comparisons, but would love to see it with the new batch of 2021 bows (Ventum, et al)
I have been looking forward for this review! Great video with lots of awesome information! You should do a review on pse next! I shoot one and absolutely love it and they have improved so much! Thanks for the great content and entertainment! I just with I knew as much about tuning my bow as you!
I’ll never give up my Carbon Ultra Rx4
Shut up
@@aydenjohnson9585 LOL you must be a crossbow guy.
@@aydenjohnson9585 lol sounds like you got neither 🤡
Yessir bout time can’t wait to watch
Love the detail of the video, and btw the color combo of that Hoyt is freaking sweet!
Thanks!
@@BowmarBowhunting I was hoping someone would comment on that, as I didn't want to double post. I am assuming that is custom? I don't see that combo on their site.
Great video it was very informative and nice to learn about the specific specs on these bows
Love your vids
Thanks for watching!
It makes it so hard to pay attention with those crazy mounts in the background
Great video josh. Found a bottle of bowmar nutrition bcaas in my kitchen the other day and was a little confused, come to find out my wife also knows you guys. Couldn’t believe it. You and Sarah got quite the empire going!
That’s cool man thanks for the support!
Great video Josh. You are correct, forgiveness is so important. Most archers won't have the shooting skill and technique you have, so the errors will be exageratted ever further, in theory. Glad to hear your unbiased review of these two great bows.
Awesome josh love the channel!
Thanks dude I appreciate it
I love my Mathew triax and my daughter shoots a mission hamr by mathews
Awesome!
I shoot a hoyt magnatec intruder. Can't remember when that bow came out. 25+years ago? Haven't had to do anything to it since I got it. Shoots awesome. Maybe someday i'll upgrade to a new/used one.
that’s what i shoot it’s awesome
@@lucasw-keys5632 i just wish I would have got a 70lb. I'm shoot 60
@@Jackofalmasterofnon you can adjust it
Thanks coz I’m on the fence between Hoyt and Matthews! Great video!
Wires mount is probably the prettiest mount ive ever seen
I wonder if the spongy back wall in the hoyt might be a result of the mods being in two separate positions. That may cause the cable tensions to vary more than they normally would which could result in a less rigid back wall. Despite that I still think the mathews has the better back wall.
I have never heard of the issue that he had with having to run the arrow nock high. I think he just didn't have his cams timed because I've tuned 100+ Hoyt's this year and all of them were running on the middle of string, dead level, all bullet holes. But, cam timing is 99% of getting a hybrid cam to tune correctly
Need to get a bowtech review as well. Bowtech really has it going on recently
Said no one ever haha
What a fantastic video! Great job. Amazing analysis talking about variables i had no clue even existed. So interesting and informative
Thanks so much dude!
Torque tuning is so important and I'm glad you brought it up... I was a staff shooter for PSE for a lot of years... invented the Jim Dandy bowhunter super tool back in the 90s to help tune bows and I learned a few things great video thanks... I'll stick with my carbon stealth 35... I mean it weighs 3.5 lb bare... strapped to my backpack I have to reach back to make sure it's still there...it's that light and shoots great
That’s so cool, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I shoot a vxr. I like it a lot better than the rx4. I was honestly disappointed in the rx4.
Yeah hoyt suck pretty bad🤮🤮
Same love my 28
I’d be interested in seeing the results of a test on an RX4. I’m the same, just switched to a V3 from my RX4. Was never really happy with the RX4 way too temperamental.
The axius is like the Helix. Good forgiving bow