@@FutureProofTV fun fact. all my youtube comments pointing out the fact there is plastic lining in the cans have never been seen or viewed by anyone. i am glad you dedicated an entire video to something i have been screaming in to the void for (2 years) now.
@@norwegiansmores811what do you mean? RUclips has been deleting your comments? I ask because I too have been sharing the same info and I don’t think it’s been deleted
When I was a boy ... Milk came in glass bottles. Soda pop came in glass bottles. Washing powder came in cardboard boxes. We used soap to wash dishes, not liquid detergents. A hardware shop would sell you a single screw with no unnecessary packaging. And as Larry David demonstrated you did not need a pair of scissors to unpack your pair of scissors. This all changed for the convenience of the supermarkets and other big box stores, not for me.
Afterthought. Battery power tools die when the battery model is replaced. I have an electric drill that was my father's. Dates from the 1930s. Still works.
@@jeremyashford2145 That's why the battery platform changes every 10 years or so. Old battery stops taking a charge, new battery doesn't fit old tool. Throw away old battery and old tool, and buy new tools with new batteries. Rinse and repeat. Tool manufacturers didn't need to change the form factor of the batteries when tools switched from using nickel cadmium to lithium ion, but by doing so, they forced us to replace all of our still perfectly functioning tools, aside from the dead battery. It's planned/forced obsolescence. Talk about a goddamn racket.
'Soda pop came in glass bottles.' It still can, I see it. 'Washing powder came in cardboard boxes. We used soap to wash dishes, not liquid detergents.' Soap is not a detergent, lye does not bond to oils 'A hardware shop would sell you a single screw with no unnecessary packaging.' Still do, just not on every item at every store. Personally, I get the 100 packs or unpackaged. 'And as Larry David demonstrated you did not need a pair of scissors to unpack your pair of scissors.' You do if it is from Costco, their packaging is horrible. \
Liquid laundry detergent is a feature, not a bug, for me. Small bits of the powered form get into the air which causes me respiratory distress (asthma attack). It doesn't happen for the liquid detergent, which doesn't need to be in pod form, out of the bottle works, too.
This video could have been one minute long, it took like 8 minutes for him to finally tell us why this is wrong, by that time people probably clicked off.
I kinda already expected exacly that due to the title as well. Then I saw further recommendations to other videos like this with hard clickbait from this channel. And that earned a "block all recommendations from this channel". Thanks for making it so easy.
In Norway 95% of the cans are recycled. We got a pretty solid system for returning cans (and plastic bottles) for cash. There's even a lottery where you can bet your returned cans and bottles for the chance to win up to the equivalent of $100k.
Sounds like in Norway 95% of cans are returned. But do you know that they're *actually* recycled after you turn them in? We have "recycling" here in the US, but a lot of it amounts to shipping it to a less fortunate country and let them deal with it, burning it, or throwing it in landfill. Our curbside collection company isn't even pretending anymore. We have a garbage bin and a recycling bin, we have recently been told to put them both out on the same day and they both get dumped into the back of the same truck. It's a sick joke.
@@mjc0961 "It's a sick joke" No sir, that is efficiency at work. One truck, one incinerator, no trash left and the Earth hippies live thinking they are eco friendly.
@@mjc0961 You're conflating plastic recycling with aluminum recycling. It's true that plastic recycling is mostly a scam. Aluminium, on the other hand actually gets recycled if you put it in the right bin (or return it for the deposit). This is because it's profitable to recycle it. As in, you can make money by selling a collection of used coke cans for their raw materials. It's _cheaper_ to recycle aluminum that mine it. Plastic is the opposite. The fact that all of it is not recycled is because it isn't disposed of properly (for reasons that vary by location). But Norway's numbers are real.
@@mjc0961 returned and recycled. We got a pretty big industry around recycling. Plastics are burned, and paper/cardboard is sold to China for recycling. Food waste is turned into bio-diesel and gas for the garbage trucks (at least in my city). It doesn't take much to be better than USA though.
I wish you had explained why 100% recycled aluminium cans aren't a thing. If even the green alternative that isn't popular only makes it to 90%, does it mean that recycling degrades the material in one way or another? Or is it just that the process of recycling is more expansive, making recycled material less affordable than new one?
That's a good point! Honestly we don't have a complete answer for that but I would imagine that the plastic lining and the degradation of material would explain part of it? Thanks for asking though!
I hope I'm not misleading in just these short couple sentences, but aluminum cans are made of two different alloys (thinner body/thicker ends) and in recycling these together you end up with a mixture that's not stable for either. For that, you need to dillute it with commercially pure aluminum anyway. So not about degredation, but about composition. Hopefully that makes sense.
@@FutureProofTV I had to do some research for this when shifting some of my company's products into cans. 1st of all. I want to say that not all cans are recycled. The cans with stickers or plastic sleeves on them will sometimes reject them at the recycling factory because they increase the contaminants that enter the aluiminum mix. It's also due to these contaminants that make it so the can's cant be made out of 100% recycled aluminum. It would compromise the structural integrity and quality of the new can, so they would need to mix in some virgin aluminum to ensure that at least 99.5% of their products come out with the integrity they claim to make. Especially since a good amount of these end products will be holding carbonated (pressurized) drinks.
@@James_BaggottI would believe that the thin plastic liner inside an aluminum can would be completely burned off during the melting down of cans to be recycled, just as any residue from the liquid the can contained be burned off during the smelting process. You would think that recycled aluminum would be cheaper for companies to buy since the whole mining and processing of bauxite to be turned into aluminum would be cut out.
You didn’t mention why the cans have a plastic liner? Firstly many of the drinks contain chemicals which break down the aluminium cans. So basically they can’t be stored in aluminium without the plastic. Secondly aluminium is toxic, it’s been linked with degenerative brain disease. That’s why they tell you not to use aluminium cookware anymore. So basically you’re screwed if you use plastic and you are screwed if you use aluminium. The only safe container is glass, but it’s heavy and expensive and we could never meet production demand.
As always, the only option if we want to save the planet is to reduce consumption. There are no magical solutions for this many people to continue living this comfortably.
There is no proven causal link between aluminium and Alzheimer's (which is I think the 'degenerative brain disease' mentioned). And there are plenty of other environmental sources of aluminium, antiperspirants and drinking water being two.
It's funny because aluminium cookware is used in commercial kitchens all the time. You order a meal at a restaurant and nine times out of ten it's seared up in an aluminium pan.
In Finland we have a €0.20 deposit per aluminum can, and you can return used cans in any grocery store. We have machines where you can just dump a bag of aluminum and plastic bottles. With all this, we have a recycling ratio of 97% for the aluminum cans. Why is that not done in the US? Not only does it increase recycling, it reduces littering, and also some people make a little bit of income by scraping for the bottles. Recycling needs to be low-effort and rewarding.
the extra fuel used to drive somewhere to take it makes it not worth it. Also something like that has been done, it immediately gets abused by people going to a place that doesn't have the deposit, taking truckloads and turning them in for deposit.
@@SilverStarHeggisist you're wrong on it not being worth it. Virgin aluminum doesn't just pop out of thin air to where it is needed. And creating aluminum from bauxite requires immense amounts of energy, so much that some people call aluminum solid electricity. We have bar codes in the cans so that only bottles bought here can be returned here. Also, the cost per can for the aluminum is about 3.6 cents, and the returned bottles are crushed before transporting, so they can be transported MUCH more efficiently than non-empty bottles (and the machines scan the shape, too). So how could it be profitable to transport the intact empty bottles from abroad, print and attach a fake bar code on them and return them, but not profitable to transport the crushed bottles within a country? Or is it perhaps that you are just against recycling the bottles and are making up excuses?
A few US states do this, but the prices per can are low (5-10 cents) and it could be made easier or more convenient. (There are sometimes machines at certain super markets/stores, you get store credit not cash. Otherwise you have to deliver them to a special redemption place.)
@@SilverStarHeggisist usually people don't drive to the store just to return the cans and/or plastic bottles and then go back but also to do their groceries right after so there is zero additional fuel cost
Ignore aluminum. Return to glass. Glass was the original recyclable with the ability to be reused non-destructively multiple times before it has to be recreated. Drink companies in the US hated glass bottles because they were legally required to have and pay for infrastructure around collecting and recycling these glass bottles. The switch to plastic allowed them to dump the cost of the infrastructure and the litter on to the tax payer.
@@eddarby469 It's a bit of both. Bottles weight more, increasing distribution costs, and there is the added cost of maintaining a proper recycling infrastructure. Since businesses hate spending money, they go with the absolute cheapest option, which is disposable plastic.
@@nispelsm Yea, I understand that, and I think it is helpful for businesses to explore methods of cutting costs. I didn't know government mandated the "pop" companies create and maintain a recycling infrastructure. I just thought the two reasons they went away from the iconic bottles (because the general shape of the bottles was a branding tool) was because the weight of the bottles in shipping was not trivial and I also believed the cost of making the sturdy bottles was also a factor. I didn't know about the government mandate part. I participated in recycling when it was sturdy bottles. It turns out participating in contemporary recycling streams is a waste of time in my opinion. But, I know the cost of solid waste disposal is only going to increase.
There was also an issue where the trucking companies charged more to haul them because the glass weighted more. they had to make more trips with less stuff to more the same amount of product and the government charged them more for per trip.
glass bottles, if properly recovered, can be sterilized and reused. usually they get violently chucked into a recycling bin if your city even has the capacity to recycle them, turned in to shrapnel, and down cycled into things like insulation. the fact that nobody wants to deal with broken glass is one of the big reasons its not used. now the weight of the bottles is going to cost you in logistics. especially when they need to be returned to the factory, intact, for reprocessing. a buyback program might encourage proper recycling if you could just put the empties back in the case and leave it by your bins. you could also go back to the milk man model where you get fresh beverages delivered and have the empties picked up at the same time. price of returned bottles deducted from your account.
We actually had it right back when I was younger. We used paper grocery bags, 100% recyclable. Turned in our soda bottles that would get washed and refilled with only requiring a new cap.
Oh, but then we had to save the trees in the '80s, so we switched to plastic bags. I actually find plastic bags "handier" since you can hang one or more from each finger - but now plastic is evil, so we have to go back to paper bags; I guess the trees don't matter anymore.
@@RB-bd5tz I use a backpack for most of my shopping. If my shopping is a bit larger I use a strong bag which I can carry over my shoulder. it's not only reusable - it also much strong than any paper or those horrible plastic bags that almost rip under weight of a pack of potatoes and jug of milk.
@@ralfbaechleGranted; a valid and admirable strategy. I just never overload plastic bags - and I happen to have enough saved up for the next ten years at least :D
Which saved energy on production, but those glass bottles are much, much heavier than cans, so more diesel gets burned to transport them. Plus glass bottles often end up smashed, harming pet paws and puncturing bike tyres, reducing the number of people willing to bike rather than drive. So many knock-on effects. Cans seems the best thing, except from tap water in reusable bottles, of course.
Ive been told to use plastic bag as I walk home from grocery store, by fat lady driving her SUV. .... Till they drop the SUVs I'm not recycling, clearly it's all token effort.
I "hate" when folks on the Internet who support the former president pretend that Taylor Swift is a monster for "flying around in a private jet, because why doesn't she simply fly commercial like regular folks" - as if that was a reasonable and realistic option for a celebrity of her caliber
@@Teaman313 whoever supports the orange one has something wrong with their wiring in the head :D Although flights as such are not best for environment the main issue actually is she sheer number of people on the planet :/
@@Teaman313 I agree. Celebrities and politicians are better than the rest of us and deserve to ignore rules they themselves preach and enforce. ... ... ... lol
Also pretty much anything which comes in a pouch. Instant oatmeal/grits pouches look like paper, but they have a thin plastic lining to keep the water out. Same with instant powdered soup, and also chip bags, even the ones which look like metal or paper have plastic in them. Individually packaged tea bags too(Like Stash). The list goes on and on.
@@MAINTMAN73, there's a video of a chemistry guy dissolving the aluminum and exposing the plastic bag with soda. Cracked the top open and poured it out. That's kinda gross . Edit: he does show it in this video. Yup.
Reduce - Make / consume less. Reuse - Use things more than once. Recycle - Last resort when the first 2 arent an option The first 2 are 10000% an option here and corporations don't give a sheet...
In EU beer is in refundable/reusable bottles. So instead of melting they are just cleaned and fill up again. Even in my country, they launch a 1L glass bottles for soft drinks and mineral water.
I went on this EXACT rant when I first saw Momoas water cans the first time. Ultimately the solution is going to involve infrastructure to improve recycling, but also a focus on reusability (like using glass bottles that only need to be cleaned rather than fully recycled). Standardized glass bottles that companies can just stick their logo on after they go through an autoclave to sterilize them would probably be the ideal solution.
Yes, but there needs to be a big culture shift to get there because it will hurt these companies profit margins due to the necessary infrastructure implementation ….therefore they will avoid it if they can at all.
When we had recyclable glass bottles, there was broken glass everywhere. It would be far worse now. No more walking barefoot anywhere, lots of flat tires, you won't get far on a bike.
There was a time when milk and soda and beer came in heavy glass bottles that were returned and reused, but it's cheaper to put it in plastic that gets tossed out. I hate the idea of bigger gov't but the only answer to that seems to be legislation.
Too many people saying, "Let's go back to glass" here. But I was THERE man! I was there! In the glass ages broken bottles were everywhere you went. It was a nightmare for the barefooted. You wouldn't believe how much safer the ground has become since the 70s.
I honestly can't believe people were dumb enough to fall for packaged water marketing a second time... Why do you like paying so much for water when you can get it for almost free from your tap? Just buy a reusable water bottle.
A reusable water bottle with a filter to sediment out contaminants such as pesticides, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, heavy metals, etc, that is slowly poisoning people. Don't forget the filter!
Living near flint, Michigan, I can say that wherever I go I have to make sure the water is safe to use and drink. 10 years and the problem still isn't fixed. Plenty of reason to need bottle water, and to say that America has places with unsafe water
@@guybunchofnumbers123 With the exception of Flint Michigan, the vast majority of the US has safe drinking water, so I don't know where you are getting your claim from? Now does the tap water taste good, that's a different story, but our water across the nation is tested and monitored.
People should realize that reduce reuse recycle is in that order for a reason. Making one time use aluminum is better than one time use plastic, but we really should just be using reusable bottles instead of one time use cans regardless of material.
@@Amygondor Yep, glass is better than aluminum which is better than plastic. People should just get used to reusing the same bottle for everything, just as they use a cup for soda at gas stations.
@@MegaLokopo I work at a restaurant. Only a few workers use their own personal cups. I use a Yeti and hate when I forgot to brag it when heading to work. I really don't want my drink watered down, and is never a problem with mine. I wake up after 8 hours and still have ice remaining. .
Visited New York city last fall. At the various attractions, they turned off the water taps so we would buy $4.00 water bottles. (excepttion one Vanderbuilt tower where they didn't shut the water taps). In Québec canada where I live, last year, they changed the can recycling to cover 100% of aluminium drink cans sold (with a few exceptions of rosme importted products). We have machines that eat aluminium at super markets. They also increased the deposit for ehc can to $0.10 to increase urge to return the cans and feed the machines. (you get cash coupon once you have finished feeding the machine. These machines BTW require round containers (they spin around until the laser finds the bar code) so those fancle rectangualr bottles wouldn't work). The cans are also crushed to take less space in the large container below the machine). The returnable items will be extended to wine glass bottles. One of the problems with the blue boxes is that glass is broken up into small pieces and ggreen glass from wine bottles is mixed with transpatent glass and this reduces the value of the bulk container containaing glass pieces. But depositing wine bottles separately, they can be recycled directly back to wine bottles and will keep the blue box product much more pure and this greater value for re-use. Similarly, for aluminium, cans are made of specific type of aluminium while other products may have different type/alloy and this needs to be separated at the sorting centre since the machines just see it as "aluminium" (non magnetic + eddy currents). By moving all cans to those recycling machines, it reduces separation workload at the sorting centres and provides a "pure" can only supply to aluminium recycling companies.
4:47 it's more the opposite, "subscriptions" are just rentals now. You used to get something for your subscription, like to magazines. You'd get 12 magazines throughout the year. Or the news paper, you'd get the daily paper as long as you paid. And then you had it, it was yours. But today's "subsciptions" are really just rentals. Once you stop paying, the thing is gone. You have nothing. When you have netflix, you are renting the library. Stop paying, stop the access. You have nothing. A true subscription would be like, you receive a blu-ray of 1 episode of you favorite show each month for you to keep forever.
that's not how libraries work. It'ss entirely free to go read the books in them, the subscription is for taking their books home. compared to netflixx, it would work this way: watch for free with heavy drm and restrictions, pay to remove the drm and watch it on YOUR terms, each "takeout" lasting for a day to a week depending on the demand.
@@Amygondor It's actually not even comparable at all, considering that libraries have a finite number of copies of their books, sometimes even only one copy.
@greenwizard9878 in my dad's day they were reused and you'd pay a small fee on each bottle that would ultimately make you decide to turn it in instead of breaking and then it would be cleaned and reused
Pet bottles are amazing. You just need proper collection. Look up countries that have a deposit system. They collect 90%+ of all bottles and that's plastic that has already been SORTED and can be easily recycled. Pet bottles are not the enemy.
Recyclable plastic bottles used to be a thing here in Finland. They used to be thick and durable and could be re-used multiple times after just removing the label and washing it. I remember as a kid seeing scratches on "new" bottles on store shelves, they were reused that much. Today they're just melted down and molded back into bottles which i find inefficient.
Several points are definitely missed here. Aluminum cans use significantly less plastic than plastic bottles. This is good. Just because aluminum cans are not recycled back into cans does not mean they arent being recycled into other metal objects like car parts or building materials. This feels a little dis-genuine to phrase it not as a positive that its not being turned back into itself even though its still being useful. I really enjoy your videos they are just very negative leaning but they bring a lot of attention to topics i believe need them.
Ok but why do you need packaged water? Unless you're in an area that doesn't have potable tap water, you should be drinking tap. People are falling for the marketing and buying packaged water even though it's more expensive and wasteful. Aluminum may be better than plastic but reusable water bottles are miles ahead of both.
You can use less plastic... Or you could use reusable bottles for H2O, like the most abundant liquid on the planet (yes sure drinking water isn't as abundant but... Its still not worthwhile to can that shit)
When I was a kid, we'd collect glass bottles to cash them in. That's how we got our candy money. As Scouts, we saw them cleaned, sterilized and refilled. Recycling and litter cleanup!
Oregon was one of the first states in the US to have a standardized program for "cashing in" cans and bottles for recycling. (The one scummy part being that the bottle deposit, as it's called, is _not_ included into retail pricing. When you buy, say, a 40-pack of water bottles, the deposit adds +$4 over the price tag) This cash incentive for recycling cans and bottles was really more about the litter prevention/cleanup than the recycling part of it, but dangit, _it still works._
1:15 Ahh the age old “I can’t pronounce the word so I force awkward mispronunciations for thirty seconds thinking I look cute” trope. Will it ever go away?
Other things RUclipsrs do when they can't pronounce a word: 1 - They show the word onscreen and quip, "I'm.... not even gonna try to pronounce that." 2 - They give it a shot, and go, "I know I mispronounced that, I'm so sorry." 3 - They just freakin' *guess* a pronunciation and move on. One weird case of this is Coffeezilla, the guy who exposes frauds and scammers. His videos are really well-researched, but one time he pronounced the name of one of Logan Paul's conspirators, "Eddie Ibañez" as Eddie EYE-banezz. It's supposed to be I-BAH-nyez. What's extra strange is that his video included clips of a news segment where the presenter said the name correctly. Yet Cofee himself kept saying that awful mispronunciation over and over throughout the video
So the whole issue is that we should increase that 65% to 95%. I don't think it's that hard. Just give incentives to people. Make it easy and it will be done.
because of how economies of scale work, it is substantially easier to continue as is to the point of spending billions on lobbyists and marketing is still cheaper than initiating an industry wide change. The other problem is that if instead they dis-incentivize current processes, because that's far easier than the alternative, the corporations only have to announce a vague threat that the new costs would be passed on to the consumer to then suddenly make consumers turn against any such changes.
Before this video I've never heard or thougt about aluminum cans being good for the environment. Is this a narrative pushed in the US very heavily while in Germany nobody ever talks about this?
The big lie is we the consumers are somehow responsible for this. Those bottlers should be held responsible for THEIR waste. Bet green glass Coke bottles would be back next week.
@@DogDogGodFog yeah just everyone should simply not buy things in bad for the environment packaging... wait huh, you're telling me, that includes practically all products? and that alternatives are much more expensive or hard to find, excluding poor people, people in rural areas, and likely a lot of disabled people?? and even the alternatives are often only marginally better for the environment, and as soon as possible the corporations behind them will go for the cheaper options, or they could even have been lying from the beginning??? well that sounds downright infeasible
I'll sell you a solution that will keep you from writing comments that make no sense. For fifty bucks a month I'll read all your comments and tell you if they make sense. Oh no! I offered to sell it to you which means my comment is the problem at the core of everything!
I’d say this isn’t 100% true in every situation. I’ve absolutely bought solutions to real problems - just never from someone who presented the problem to begin with _(if I wasn’t actively thinking about the problem before the alleged solution was peddled to me then it’s not a real solution to a real problem I have )_
I am pretty surprised that everyone didn’t know that ALL cans have to be lined. I suppose one could not line cans, if one wanted their drink and food to taste of metal.
Have you ever looked into where this canned and bottled water comes from? The bottling locations aren't local, so there's a lot of shipping of a very heavy commodity involved in this business. Also, California is a big location for bottled water production, the same California that's been in a drought for however long.
Most bottled drinking water sold comes from the city water supply..only purified with a small bit of minerals for taste. Spring water has to specify the water source..the "spring" it came from.
According to the wikipedia page on drink cans, there was a patent on a stay-on pop tab as early as 1958, but it didn't see widespread adoption. Upon that patent's expiration in 1975, a derivative patent was filed and first appeared commercially on Falls City beer can that same year. According to the website pulltabarchaeology, Sta-Tabs fully replaced ring pull tabs for drink cans in the US by 1983. Ring pull tabs remained in use in Europe until 1990. I'm not sure where they got 1989 from.
@@chrissmalley83 I remember the pull off ones being everywhere in the street and on the sidewalks in the mid-late 70s. Then all the sodas changed around the same time except yoohoo which kept the pull off ones for a few more years and also a much heavier can. My guess is because the lack of carbonation.
I don't know either where they got 1989 for the stay-on tab. I remember drinking from cans with stay-on tabs in 1981. It was my first trip to USA with my parents from Canada, and I noticed that US cans were 12 ounces and Canadian cans were 9,5 ounces. Both had stay-on tabs.
"Improved by 66%" at 7:58 is absolutely nonsensical. 66% of what? 66% of 9% is 6%, so "improving" 9% by 66% would be 15%, not 75%. 66% by mass is also nonsensical because cans and bottles weigh different amounts. depending on the relative weights, recycling virgin aluminium cans 75% of the time may be a worse gram for gram comparison than recycling virgin plastic bottles 10% of the time. I was careful in that wording though, because that is NOT what it says. the comparison made is completely different. 75% of Al remaining in circulation FOREVER is not comparable to 9% of plastic being recycled ONCE. if you want to use data in a serious way, you cannot be making such fundamental errors with the most basic of reading comprehension.
I think the error is intentional. Because the perception of how much more recyclable aluminum is looks much more impressive when there's a difference of "66" between those two percentages. He's just saying that aluminum appears much more recyclable. He probably should have pointed out that the actual difference is only 15% more, but the video isn't about figuring out percentages, it's about misconceptions.
@@bufordhighwater9872 the actual difference would depend on what measures we use to define “better.” No matter what, it will still depend on their relative costs, but it’s fair to say recycling aluminium will be in the thousands to millions of percents better for certain measures like toxic chemical use or environmental damage. You can’t compare on a numbers to numbers basis because 75% of all aluminium staying in the circular economy is fundamentally not comparable to 9% of plastic ever being recycled. It’s like saying that 70% of houses have people living in them but only 12% of businesses are open 24 hours therefore houses are better than businesses. They’re completely unrelated numbers, they’re measured differently, they have different meanings, their calculations are completely different, it’s just stupid.
In 1978 michigan started a 10 deposit which corrected for inflation would be 50 cents. MI has a 90%+ recycling rate fir cans. It's not the dime anymore, it's the culture. Throwing away a can is equal to wasting food or something it might as well be gluttony.
The cheapest and most environmentally sound way to drink water is to take a glass out of the cabinet, walk to the sink, fill the glass with water from the faucet, drink it, and put the glass down, to be washed later with the rest of the dishes.
Unfortunately this is not always an option, particularly in areas with water poisoning (like PFAS/Lead) but also in areas with a lot of fracking, meaning they need water from elsewhere. But yes, people should try to reduce their consumption first and reuse whatever they can
@@doughboywhine - ?metal roofs? for rainwater collection - with sand/particle and activated carbon filtration - water can be harvested in most climes even if the stuff in pipes is worse than a 3rd world sewer.... I think it is pretty simple that we are all consuming plastic particles - and nothing is going to change in the short term... Bottled water isn't free of a ost of chemicals either...
@@kadmow Rainwater has chemicals in it that can not be filtered out easily, not to mention it is also an unreliable source of water. If it doesn't rain for a week, you could go completely dry anyways. But my point wasn't to say bottled water is necessary, just that the solution OP mentioned doesn't work for everyone. Also, just because we already consume plastic doesn't mean we should consume more of it. There's trace amounts of lead in food because it naturally occurs in soil, does that mean we shouldn't avoid it? Obviously we should wherever we can. Plastic has been shown to increase chronic inflammation, leading to a variety of health issues in humans alone. And like I said, it pretty much never leaves the environment - meaning that over time the amount of microplastics in the food chain is increasing. The less of it we produce, the better.
They were steel cans with a very thin layer of tin to stop the steel rusting. Most steel food cans nowadays have a plastic liner similar to the aluminium canned drinks. I believe that it's only some types of canned fruit that still use a steel can with a tin layer like in the "old days".
Although glasses superior and its ability to be recycled, it’s heavy so if this is purely about carbon emissions, then glasses not the most effective aluminum is even with the plastic lining problem. The thing is is it’s not the ultimate solution but nothing is going to be. Nothing is going to be perfect I mean to that extent if you went 100% reusable, it’s still would have some waste. It’s just a matter of industrialization in general. I would much rather see single use plastic completely banned in favor of aluminum. Sure there is still waste in aluminum, but it’s significantly reduced from plastic. And takes less energy to transport then glass. It’s kind of The Best of Both Worlds.
@@Baker_king12 Oh, I've a solution that's the best of all worlds: Drink tap water and skip soft drinks and all that other junk completely. Just make sure the water utility works of your municipality (and the pipes to and in your home) are up to par, so you won't get served deadly sludge. In the West, you often get the same quality of (ground) water that gets used in beverage plants, with the same or more measures to monitor it. If you don't like the taste, use a filter and or a water softening installation.
Glass is 100% recyclable, is reusable, doesn't react with the contents, doesn't deteriorate over time or with exposure to sunlight and isn't toxic. Too bad it's heavy and breakable, and when it breaks it turns into razor-sharp shards.
Hmmm, lets see. What people seem to forget about the 3 Rs reduce, reuse and recycle. Recycle is the last one out of the 3. People seem to forget about the first 2 awfully lot. Lets actually push our government entities to ensure safe and clean drinking water from the tap. Lets get off the consumer bandwagon of having to buy everything we consume and take a reusable bottle bottle or cup along with us. I didn't know about the plastic in aluminum can until recently, once upon a time it was a lacquer finish that protected the product in the can
Remember glass? Corporate will cry and scream , shipping costs, weight but if there was a Federal Law they would all compete a level playing field . But no, we have corporate lobbies🥺
Glass is more recyclable, but the additional weight and lack of compressibility isn't just a concern for drinks companies, it also means higher emissions when shipping bottles around, including both when sending drinks out for delivery and when sending the bottles back for recycling. Glass is definitely better when the drinks are consumed fairly close to where they're bottled, but I suspect that cans have a lower environmental impact when shipping over long distance. I haven't run the numbers, so I'm not sure where the cut-off of glass bottles being better for the environment than cans is - it might be at high enough distances that glass is almost always better in practice - but glass' disadvantages still ought to be considered and minimised. Glass is no more of a silver bullet than aluminium.
You can't assume everything will get recycled. The truth is people will throw garbage into the environment. Glass will eventually break down into harmless sand. Plastic on the other hand will be around for hundreds of years, and poison anything that consumes it.
@@nathangamble125 Glass don't necessarily need to be recycled, they are reusable. There used to be local glass bottle processing plants everywhere back when they were common, just clean them up and they're ready to go. Having these shops locally also reduces the need for transportation. But then plastic bottles took over and the beverage factories moved further away from the commercial and residential areas.
Being from Michigan, where we pay a $0.10 deposit on cans that we get back when we return them, it's such a culture shock every time I travel to places that don't and see everyone just throwing away aluminum... It's super disheartening going from a place with like 90% recycling rates to places without deposits that are lucky to have like 15%.................
I have a couple of 5 gallon water jugs that I refill at my Walmart Neighborhood market once a month that costs $0.35 per gallon to refill. The water is safe in my area but just doesn't taste good, so I use the purified water in my coffee makers, as well as filling my Yeti Tumblers. For less than $5 a month, plus the initial $40 for the stand to hold the jugs, it's super affordable to do. I don't understand how people are just buying $3 bottles of water nearly every day, when you can get 10 gallons of water for about that price. And what I'm doing is WAY better for the environment, it's one filter the public uses, and that one filter is the only thing going to the landfill. They are also great for emergency water supplies because we have hurricanes here in Florida. Some day, when I own a house, I'll get a reverse osmosis system installed into my house because the only thing I don't like about what I'm doing is, I have to carry 10 gallons of water up a flight of stairs to my apartment. I'm too out of shape for that. 🤣Bonus tip, water jugs are the ones you flip upside down, so I found some silicone caps that have a plug in them, when you go to set it in the stand, it pushes the plug inward making it a breeze.
@@GavinSeim I only get pop and beer in glass, it just tastes so much better, I know it's more expensive but it means I treat them as a treat and not my primary beverage
I just wasted 13 minutes of my life. Aluminum is still the best packaging for beverages. Glass is fragile and dangerous. I will admit I didn't know that they have a thin plastic layer inside.
Check out the glass East Germany made during the Cold War. Bottling companies in the West rejected it because they could make more money selling glassware that breaks easily. But glass doesn't have to be easy to break. It's just more capitalism in action.
5:38 The stay-on tab was definitely not invented in 1989. It was patented and initially launched in 1975, and was already so well established throughout the entirety of the 1980s that, growing up in that decade myself, I was entirely unfamiliar with the prior pull-tab can technology.
The amount of people in the US that are duped into buying something that comes to them virtually free, straight to there house in a pipe will never cease to amaze me.
Cans have one reaaaaaally funny feature - they tend to hold very little liquid. You wont find a plasic bottle smaller than half a liter, but that's about the biggest can size you get. Its pretty interesting to note that liquids in bigger containers tend to end up cheaper for the customer per volume... So you have a common liquid like water, and you have small containers that have the allure of being "green", and you end up selling more of said containers per person... Meaning that this is essentially just companies realising that they can fuck you over for profits while getting good PR
Some exceptions to this: Where I live you can buy six-packs of 0.33 L Coca-Cola beverages and 1.0 L cans of Faxe beer (or sometimes other beer brands, too). Also, there are things like ginger shots in 0.2 or smaller bottles. But in general you're right.
I suspect one reason you don't see many bigger cans is the lack of reasealability. The manufacturers at least where I live claim a 500ml bottle is two portions for the purposes of the nutrition stickers, hard to make that claim for a non-resealable container.
It is mainly a cost issue. Aluminium is a stronger material than plastic, so you can make bigger containers. Aluminum is already more costly per storage volume than plastic. Larger storage containers also need to be resealable which would increase the material used and thus drive up cost even more. The recycling machines are designed for small cans and you would need to design and invest in new ones if you want to introduce larger ones, which is also expensive.
Like how? Buildings have tap water (and water filters exist). Many grocery stores have reverse osmosis water dispensers. Putting out public drinking fountains isn't practical anymore.
Considering every city in the Western world already has free clean water basically everywhere you look, and people still buy this garbage, it's obviously not about providing the sources, it might have ever be about providing some education that most tap water is healthier for you than most bottled water, and the most bottled water comes from tap water anyway.
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack - why not - ?? clean bottle filling stations are totally an achievable solution - your culture may trash such things, not every country is fillet with $h!tty people.... Practicalities can be very different to a single "lived experience" - NB, been many places, seen many ways to do a whole lot of things (some may even make money marketing such things (or place a social-good value on something which puts less waste in the stormwater runoff....) )
Here in Germany, 1 million aluminium cans are worth 250,000 €. So nobody throws them on a landfill. The same goes for one-way plastic bottles. Its not a matter of which container is better to throw away - the objective is, to organise the recycling better.
I love your content, but I always come away with the feeling that no matter how hard you try to do good as a consumer, you wil always fail because there is always something being hidden. I guess consumption is the problem. But I don't see a way to get free from that...
When you get basic facts wrong in your video, it's hard to believe the remainder of the asserted facts in the video. "The stay on can tab was invented in 1989." I don't even need to look that up, it's just plain wrong. I am 48 and pull-off tab cans have not been commonly in use during my lifetime - we've had the stay on tab version the whole time.
Wait, so the top aluminium can producer Ball makes 50 billion cans a year but a 1% shift in demand would cause a demand for 24 billion cans? So how much do they make globally, 2 percent? And they are still a top can producer? Something doesn't add up.
Depends on the timeframe. 1% on a daily base is much higher as 1% on yearly base. Or in other words, if you are the one percent and start using a single can by day its naturally having a bigger impact than just one additional can by year. That's a 300+ % difference. So yeah, this can indeed add up. Though it's probably a bit overestimated also.
A big part of the cycle people don't realize is how not profitable recycling aluminum is for recycling companies. I used to work at a sorting center where they sort and bale up various types of recyclable including aluminum. The most profitable things were ironically usually different kinds of plastic aluminum a lot of the times was just baled and then stored on a yard until it becomes worth enough to sell
Right. But you only tackle half of the issue here. I was born in the 50s. We had glass bottles and steel cans for everything. Even motor oil came in steel cans. Can the industry go back to these? How do they compare? I remember being told that the switch to aluminum was because aluminum chills faster than steel. Obviously, that wasn't the only reason, but what prevents us? I also remember that small, single-serving bottles weren't all that easy to break, and all you needed was an opener.
North Carolina tap water is one of the best water. I don't know why anyone would buy water here. I've been to some places where the tap water has a weird taste. But as long as it is potable, tap water is the way to go.
The "silver bullet" is a nickname for the silver aluminum cans containing Coors Light I thought it was not a missed opportunity, but an opportunity taken
@@yetinother Thats such a niche reference plus silver bullets are already a thing so I feel like most people wouldnt know a pun was being made. But thanks for letting me know I was one of those people
I need to go out more often because I totally missed the aluminium can craze - unless that hasn't hit Australia yet. If I want water I just open the tap.
why cant we go back to the milk bottle days where you would leave empty bottles outside and they would be collected, cleaned, refilled, and redelievered T . T
Imagine how crazy it would be if we could install a water filter in our house and be able to drink fresh, filtered tap water. That would be awesome! Someone should invent that!
@@nahor88 Wait, are you saying that your tap water is not drinkable? Can you cook food with it, for example, or is it only good for technical purposes? In Kyiv, tap water is considered drinkable, but not everyone may like it, so now there are machines near every apartment building where you can fill your bottle with water. Once a week I fill three 6-liter bottles like this. A liter costs 1.5 UAH, which is about 0.04 USD) But I still cook with tap water, unless it's soup or food that absorbs a lot of water.
@@anatolii_obama Bruh he's talking about water filters, not drinking tap water. It sounds like English may not be your first language so I can give you a pass.
Hey, I have a proposal so ludicrous, so outrageous, that nobody ever talks about this: *How about not using those cans at all?* How about _not_ drinking those sugared carbonated nightmares to your health? Because if _there is no can,_ you do not need any aluminium to produce it, no energy to store, distribute and sell it, there is no health problems from people drinking everything from sugared, flavoured and coloured water to sugared, flavoured and coloured water with lots of caffeine in it, and the recycling problem also do not exist. The solution is not to _change_ consumption, it is to _reduce_ it.
I remember drinking water from an earthen jug as a kid traveling to a "3rd world" country. It tasted great and both smelled great too. BUT those jugs break. Come up with a way to keep clay jugs from breaking until you want them to) and you'll have something.
aw pops you just killed all the sugared - or sugarfree - fake sugared - "fun" for the kiddies.... I personally prefer coffee without sugar - that too has its social cost (no pods for me) - I even take instant (packaged in glass - reused in my home or garage or other place until it happens to be recycled)....
I know people who get a reflex of disgust at the thought that they should drink water from any other source than a plastic or other bottle bought from shop. These are also people with a lot of money who don't count how much they spend, and I have the impression that such drinking from bottles is also a high status symbol for them, which they brag about to the world.
I've been driving a semi for nearly four years. I refill my stainless bottle at soda fountains, drinking fountains, and sinks. It's free, and it's everywhere. I used to buy coffee and tea, but now I cold brew everything overnight in a thermos for pennies, and I can drink caffeine until my heart explodes! I still buy monster, but I need the kick for writing. :3
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We have had a recyclable container that does not use plastic. It has existed for ages. It is called glass. In fact, we used to require a container deposit that ensured that they were reused.
@@Seth9809 True, TikTok has rotted many people's brains. But the OP is right - like many such "wow - what you didn't know" videos, there was a lot of filler and postponing of getting to the point here.
@@Seth9809 ... you say, to someone who edits scientific research papers for a living. Actually, I didn't know most of this stuff, either - but he didn't get to the POINT - that, oh, horrors; aluminum cans contain plastic - until nine minutes in. To me, one of the rudest things you can do is keep someone waiting unnecessarily.
proof me wrong, i understand there is only bad solutions regarding plastic vs aluminium, but isn't it slightly less damaging when there is aluminium can ended in landfill vs. the plastic? thx
@@nasirzurmi2630 i was guessing, from that pronunciation that you were from the british isles and there's been a long standing joke between and canada about the pond between us
I was a little surprized when I found out that cans had a plastic lining too, but I didn't fret over it. It is a very thin lining that is only there to protect the metal. Unlike the plastic in paper cartons it's much easier to remove that thin layer of plastic as it just burns up in the furnace. You even stated that recycling cans uses less energy and creates less carbon then making new metal. So I feel like part of the solution is to get law makers to force companies to use more recycled aluminium. Also, I appreciate that the re-sealable aluminium bottles can actually be reused by the people who buy them. Unlike a regular can.
Yes, there will always be people that just throw the cans away instead of putting them in the recycle bin, but that is an education problem. You didnt mention the benefit of canned or bottled water for areas that have been hit by a storm or the lead pipes are contaminating the water. There will always be a need for bottled, or canned, water.
This is a bad take. seriously aluminium cans with all its flaws is infinitely better than than plastic bottles. even if 100% of the plastic produced was properly recycled aluminium still comes out on top.
Why spend Sooooooooooooo much money on the recycle. You don't got to do all that form a new can shit no more. All you need to do is run the used cans thorough sterilizing UV Lights on them and put the same products back in the cans and reuse the anodized image again. UV Lights like that can be made and setup much more efficiently and cost effective now. It's gonna cost less in electricity to convey those used cans under the lights than it will cost to melt them and reform them.
Up until 2002, the sale of aluminum cans was banned in Denmark, because they are a single-use container. However, the free movement of goods in the EU forced this ban to be lifted. Denmark's deposit-return system has existed since 1922, ensuring that 92% bottles and cans for beverages are returned for reuse or recycling. When the can ban was lifted, Denmark's deposit-return system also had to be able to handle aluminum cans. Germany then copied this system in 2003 and now also has a deposit-return system. Many Germans don't know they are 101 years late compared to their northern neighbor.
My ceramic coffee mug has served up two coffees per day for 15 years. That's 10,000 reuses and still counting. I brew with a ceramic drip cone and a paper filter. I brew once per day to cut down on the use of filters, and save the second serving in a small steel thermos. I rinse the filter with hot water, which also washes the mug, and which is also used to preheat the thermos. Then I use the hot water out of the thermos to pre-rinse any greasy dish left over from the previous evening. The paper filter and the spent coffee grounds go into a compost bin, collected by the municipality. I measure the water in my kettle with a gram scale, so there's barely ever more than a few tablespoons left over after finishing my pour. It consumes more electricity to preheat my ceramic cone than I like (about 3 kW-minutes), but that's the last remaining bug in my system. That's about 18 kWH per year. At Canadian rates, that's about the price of one Starbucks' coffee invested in preheating of my ceramic cone filter, daily for a full year.
Glass bottles have recently developed something of the same problem, where text that was previously screen printed directly onto the bottle is now a plastic sticker.
There's a big difference between "100% recyclable" and "100% recycled"
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100% recyclable
this product gets recycled 100% of the time
this product is made from 100% recycled materials
This is literally the truth. 👍🏻
@@FutureProofTV fun fact. all my youtube comments pointing out the fact there is plastic lining in the cans have never been seen or viewed by anyone. i am glad you dedicated an entire video to something i have been screaming in to the void for (2 years) now.
@@norwegiansmores811 Perhaps we're all screaming into the same void? haha glad to hear we're not the only ones lol
@@norwegiansmores811what do you mean? RUclips has been deleting your comments? I ask because I too have been sharing the same info and I don’t think it’s been deleted
When I was a boy ...
Milk came in glass bottles.
Soda pop came in glass bottles.
Washing powder came in cardboard boxes.
We used soap to wash dishes, not liquid detergents.
A hardware shop would sell you a single screw with no unnecessary packaging.
And as Larry David demonstrated you did not need a pair of scissors to unpack your pair of scissors.
This all changed for the convenience of the supermarkets and other big box stores, not for me.
Afterthought.
Battery power tools die when the battery model is replaced. I have an electric drill that was my father's. Dates from the 1930s. Still works.
@@jeremyashford2145 That's why the battery platform changes every 10 years or so. Old battery stops taking a charge, new battery doesn't fit old tool. Throw away old battery and old tool, and buy new tools with new batteries. Rinse and repeat. Tool manufacturers didn't need to change the form factor of the batteries when tools switched from using nickel cadmium to lithium ion, but by doing so, they forced us to replace all of our still perfectly functioning tools, aside from the dead battery. It's planned/forced obsolescence. Talk about a goddamn racket.
'Soda pop came in glass bottles.'
It still can, I see it.
'Washing powder came in cardboard boxes.
We used soap to wash dishes, not liquid detergents.'
Soap is not a detergent, lye does not bond to oils
'A hardware shop would sell you a single screw with no unnecessary packaging.'
Still do, just not on every item at every store. Personally, I get the 100 packs
or unpackaged.
'And as Larry David demonstrated you did not need a pair of scissors to unpack your pair of scissors.'
You do if it is from Costco, their packaging is horrible.
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Liquid laundry detergent is a feature, not a bug, for me. Small bits of the powered form get into the air which causes me respiratory distress (asthma attack). It doesn't happen for the liquid detergent, which doesn't need to be in pod form, out of the bottle works, too.
when you were a boy we did a lot of things wrong
This video could have been one minute long, it took like 8 minutes for him to finally tell us why this is wrong, by that time people probably clicked off.
Agreed, it actually starts at 8:10 . A 30s to 60s intro would've suffice.
Yep. I got to the five minute mark, stopped watching, scrolled down and found this comment.
@@zoomosissame 5 mins 32 id had enough, found him narrating with a condescending tone.
I clicked off as soon as I understood that the thumbnail was a clickbait
I kinda already expected exacly that due to the title as well. Then I saw further recommendations to other videos like this with hard clickbait from this channel. And that earned a "block all recommendations from this channel". Thanks for making it so easy.
In Norway 95% of the cans are recycled. We got a pretty solid system for returning cans (and plastic bottles) for cash. There's even a lottery where you can bet your returned cans and bottles for the chance to win up to the equivalent of $100k.
Sounds like in Norway 95% of cans are returned. But do you know that they're *actually* recycled after you turn them in?
We have "recycling" here in the US, but a lot of it amounts to shipping it to a less fortunate country and let them deal with it, burning it, or throwing it in landfill.
Our curbside collection company isn't even pretending anymore. We have a garbage bin and a recycling bin, we have recently been told to put them both out on the same day and they both get dumped into the back of the same truck. It's a sick joke.
@@mjc0961 "It's a sick joke"
No sir, that is efficiency at work. One truck, one incinerator, no trash left and the Earth hippies live thinking they are eco friendly.
@@mjc0961 You're conflating plastic recycling with aluminum recycling. It's true that plastic recycling is mostly a scam. Aluminium, on the other hand actually gets recycled if you put it in the right bin (or return it for the deposit). This is because it's profitable to recycle it. As in, you can make money by selling a collection of used coke cans for their raw materials. It's _cheaper_ to recycle aluminum that mine it. Plastic is the opposite.
The fact that all of it is not recycled is because it isn't disposed of properly (for reasons that vary by location). But Norway's numbers are real.
@@LT-dn7mt How did the tracker survive an incinerator... was it just sent to the incinerator but not burned?
@@mjc0961 returned and recycled. We got a pretty big industry around recycling. Plastics are burned, and paper/cardboard is sold to China for recycling.
Food waste is turned into bio-diesel and gas for the garbage trucks (at least in my city).
It doesn't take much to be better than USA though.
I wish you had explained why 100% recycled aluminium cans aren't a thing. If even the green alternative that isn't popular only makes it to 90%, does it mean that recycling degrades the material in one way or another? Or is it just that the process of recycling is more expansive, making recycled material less affordable than new one?
That's a good point! Honestly we don't have a complete answer for that but I would imagine that the plastic lining and the degradation of material would explain part of it? Thanks for asking though!
I hope I'm not misleading in just these short couple sentences, but aluminum cans are made of two different alloys (thinner body/thicker ends) and in recycling these together you end up with a mixture that's not stable for either. For that, you need to dillute it with commercially pure aluminum anyway. So not about degredation, but about composition.
Hopefully that makes sense.
I heard that cans can be recycled up to 6 times...somehow. The plastic lining perhaps explains that which I never heard about before.
@@FutureProofTV I had to do some research for this when shifting some of my company's products into cans. 1st of all. I want to say that not all cans are recycled. The cans with stickers or plastic sleeves on them will sometimes reject them at the recycling factory because they increase the contaminants that enter the aluiminum mix. It's also due to these contaminants that make it so the can's cant be made out of 100% recycled aluminum. It would compromise the structural integrity and quality of the new can, so they would need to mix in some virgin aluminum to ensure that at least 99.5% of their products come out with the integrity they claim to make. Especially since a good amount of these end products will be holding carbonated (pressurized) drinks.
@@James_BaggottI would believe that the thin plastic liner inside an aluminum can would be completely burned off during the melting down of cans to be recycled, just as any residue from the liquid the can contained be burned off during the smelting process. You would think that recycled aluminum would be cheaper for companies to buy since the whole mining and processing of bauxite to be turned into aluminum would be cut out.
You didn’t mention why the cans have a plastic liner? Firstly many of the drinks contain chemicals which break down the aluminium cans. So basically they can’t be stored in aluminium without the plastic. Secondly aluminium is toxic, it’s been linked with degenerative brain disease. That’s why they tell you not to use aluminium cookware anymore. So basically you’re screwed if you use plastic and you are screwed if you use aluminium. The only safe container is glass, but it’s heavy and expensive and we could never meet production demand.
This
As always, the only option if we want to save the planet is to reduce consumption.
There are no magical solutions for this many people to continue living this comfortably.
I miss the Steel pop and beer cans of the '60s. steel is Not a neurotoxin.
There is no proven causal link between aluminium and Alzheimer's (which is I think the 'degenerative brain disease' mentioned). And there are plenty of other environmental sources of aluminium, antiperspirants and drinking water being two.
It's funny because aluminium cookware is used in commercial kitchens all the time. You order a meal at a restaurant and nine times out of ten it's seared up in an aluminium pan.
In Finland we have a €0.20 deposit per aluminum can, and you can return used cans in any grocery store. We have machines where you can just dump a bag of aluminum and plastic bottles. With all this, we have a recycling ratio of 97% for the aluminum cans. Why is that not done in the US? Not only does it increase recycling, it reduces littering, and also some people make a little bit of income by scraping for the bottles. Recycling needs to be low-effort and rewarding.
the extra fuel used to drive somewhere to take it makes it not worth it. Also something like that has been done, it immediately gets abused by people going to a place that doesn't have the deposit, taking truckloads and turning them in for deposit.
@@SilverStarHeggisist you're wrong on it not being worth it. Virgin aluminum doesn't just pop out of thin air to where it is needed. And creating aluminum from bauxite requires immense amounts of energy, so much that some people call aluminum solid electricity. We have bar codes in the cans so that only bottles bought here can be returned here. Also, the cost per can for the aluminum is about 3.6 cents, and the returned bottles are crushed before transporting, so they can be transported MUCH more efficiently than non-empty bottles (and the machines scan the shape, too). So how could it be profitable to transport the intact empty bottles from abroad, print and attach a fake bar code on them and return them, but not profitable to transport the crushed bottles within a country?
Or is it perhaps that you are just against recycling the bottles and are making up excuses?
A few US states do this, but the prices per can are low (5-10 cents) and it could be made easier or more convenient. (There are sometimes machines at certain super markets/stores, you get store credit not cash. Otherwise you have to deliver them to a special redemption place.)
@@SilverStarHeggisist usually people don't drive to the store just to return the cans and/or plastic bottles and then go back but also to do their groceries right after so there is zero additional fuel cost
Americans are too lazy to even return the shopping cart. Why would they return „trash“?
Ignore aluminum. Return to glass. Glass was the original recyclable with the ability to be reused non-destructively multiple times before it has to be recreated. Drink companies in the US hated glass bottles because they were legally required to have and pay for infrastructure around collecting and recycling these glass bottles. The switch to plastic allowed them to dump the cost of the infrastructure and the litter on to the tax payer.
I thought it was just the weight and initial cost of making the bottle.
@@eddarby469 It's a bit of both. Bottles weight more, increasing distribution costs, and there is the added cost of maintaining a proper recycling infrastructure. Since businesses hate spending money, they go with the absolute cheapest option, which is disposable plastic.
@@nispelsm Yea, I understand that, and I think it is helpful for businesses to explore methods of cutting costs. I didn't know government mandated the "pop" companies create and maintain a recycling infrastructure. I just thought the two reasons they went away from the iconic bottles (because the general shape of the bottles was a branding tool) was because the weight of the bottles in shipping was not trivial and I also believed the cost of making the sturdy bottles was also a factor. I didn't know about the government mandate part. I participated in recycling when it was sturdy bottles. It turns out participating in contemporary recycling streams is a waste of time in my opinion. But, I know the cost of solid waste disposal is only going to increase.
There was also an issue where the trucking companies charged more to haul them because the glass weighted more. they had to make more trips with less stuff to more the same amount of product and the government charged them more for per trip.
glass bottles, if properly recovered, can be sterilized and reused. usually they get violently chucked into a recycling bin if your city even has the capacity to recycle them, turned in to shrapnel, and down cycled into things like insulation. the fact that nobody wants to deal with broken glass is one of the big reasons its not used.
now the weight of the bottles is going to cost you in logistics. especially when they need to be returned to the factory, intact, for reprocessing. a buyback program might encourage proper recycling if you could just put the empties back in the case and leave it by your bins. you could also go back to the milk man model where you get fresh beverages delivered and have the empties picked up at the same time. price of returned bottles deducted from your account.
We actually had it right back when I was younger. We used paper grocery bags, 100% recyclable. Turned in our soda bottles that would get washed and refilled with only requiring a new cap.
Oh, but then we had to save the trees in the '80s, so we switched to plastic bags. I actually find plastic bags "handier" since you can hang one or more from each finger - but now plastic is evil, so we have to go back to paper bags; I guess the trees don't matter anymore.
@@RB-bd5tz I use a backpack for most of my shopping. If my shopping is a bit larger I use a strong bag which I can carry over my shoulder. it's not only reusable - it also much strong than any paper or those horrible plastic bags that almost rip under weight of a pack of potatoes and jug of milk.
@@ralfbaechleGranted; a valid and admirable strategy. I just never overload plastic bags - and I happen to have enough saved up for the next ten years at least :D
Which saved energy on production, but those glass bottles are much, much heavier than cans, so more diesel gets burned to transport them. Plus glass bottles often end up smashed, harming pet paws and puncturing bike tyres, reducing the number of people willing to bike rather than drive. So many knock-on effects. Cans seems the best thing, except from tap water in reusable bottles, of course.
Ive been told to use plastic bag as I walk home from grocery store, by fat lady driving her SUV. .... Till they drop the SUVs I'm not recycling, clearly it's all token effort.
I hate when celebrities who drive sports cars travel on yachts and private airplane try preaching about the environment
And jets.
It all about profit.
I "hate" when folks on the Internet who support the former president pretend that Taylor Swift is a monster for "flying around in a private jet, because why doesn't she simply fly commercial like regular folks" - as if that was a reasonable and realistic option for a celebrity of her caliber
@@Teaman313 whoever supports the orange one has something wrong with their wiring in the head :D Although flights as such are not best for environment the main issue actually is she sheer number of people on the planet :/
@@Teaman313 I agree. Celebrities and politicians are better than the rest of us and deserve to ignore rules they themselves preach and enforce.
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If you just found out cans have plastic lining, you're really gunna hate to find out that gable top cartons are plastic lined too
Often that plastic is wax
Also pretty much anything which comes in a pouch.
Instant oatmeal/grits pouches look like paper, but they have a thin plastic lining to keep the water out.
Same with instant powdered soup, and also chip bags, even the ones which look like metal or paper have plastic in them.
Individually packaged tea bags too(Like Stash). The list goes on and on.
@@MAINTMAN73 - um the wax is basically polymerised petrochemical - not what we think of a "wax - ie, not from bees....
@@MAINTMAN73, there's a video of a chemistry guy dissolving the aluminum and exposing the plastic bag with soda. Cracked the top open and poured it out.
That's kinda gross .
Edit: he does show it in this video.
Yup.
@@MAINTMAN73 It is a polyester, called coil coating.
Reduce - Make / consume less.
Reuse - Use things more than once.
Recycle - Last resort when the first 2 arent an option
The first 2 are 10000% an option here and corporations don't give a sheet...
Maybe we should go back to glass bottles and refundable deposits?
Impractical
@@simonstewart5277 How impractical? I mean, it was standard when I was a kid. OK, that was about 40 years ago,
that works well here in Germany
It's exactly what we do in Uruguay for beer and soda pop. It works quite well.
In EU beer is in refundable/reusable bottles. So instead of melting they are just cleaned and fill up again. Even in my country, they launch a 1L glass bottles for soft drinks and mineral water.
I went on this EXACT rant when I first saw Momoas water cans the first time.
Ultimately the solution is going to involve infrastructure to improve recycling, but also a focus on reusability (like using glass bottles that only need to be cleaned rather than fully recycled). Standardized glass bottles that companies can just stick their logo on after they go through an autoclave to sterilize them would probably be the ideal solution.
Yes, but there needs to be a big culture shift to get there because it will hurt these companies profit margins due to the necessary infrastructure implementation ….therefore they will avoid it if they can at all.
When we had recyclable glass bottles, there was broken glass everywhere. It would be far worse now. No more walking barefoot anywhere, lots of flat tires, you won't get far on a bike.
this ^^
There was a time when milk and soda and beer came in heavy glass bottles that were returned and reused, but it's cheaper to put it in plastic that gets tossed out. I hate the idea of bigger gov't but the only answer to that seems to be legislation.
@@danielsee1 everything has pros and cons, I'll take a bit of broken glass now, over eternal pollution
Too many people saying, "Let's go back to glass" here. But I was THERE man! I was there! In the glass ages broken bottles were everywhere you went. It was a nightmare for the barefooted. You wouldn't believe how much safer the ground has become since the 70s.
I honestly can't believe people were dumb enough to fall for packaged water marketing a second time... Why do you like paying so much for water when you can get it for almost free from your tap? Just buy a reusable water bottle.
A reusable water bottle with a filter to sediment out contaminants such as pesticides, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, heavy metals, etc, that is slowly poisoning people. Don't forget the filter!
The usa doesnt have clean and safe water for drinking, must buy in bottles for drinking
@@guybunchofnumbers123define clean, because that's basically nonsense
Living near flint, Michigan, I can say that wherever I go I have to make sure the water is safe to use and drink. 10 years and the problem still isn't fixed. Plenty of reason to need bottle water, and to say that America has places with unsafe water
@@guybunchofnumbers123 With the exception of Flint Michigan, the vast majority of the US has safe drinking water, so I don't know where you are getting your claim from? Now does the tap water taste good, that's a different story, but our water across the nation is tested and monitored.
People should realize that reduce reuse recycle is in that order for a reason. Making one time use aluminum is better than one time use plastic, but we really should just be using reusable bottles instead of one time use cans regardless of material.
GLASS bottles
@@Amygondor Yep, glass is better than aluminum which is better than plastic. People should just get used to reusing the same bottle for everything, just as they use a cup for soda at gas stations.
One time use aluminium is a waste aluminium.
@@edstar83 Are you trying to disagree with me? It sounds like you are agreeing with me?
@@MegaLokopo I work at a restaurant. Only a few workers use their own personal cups. I use a Yeti and hate when I forgot to brag it when heading to work.
I really don't want my drink watered down, and is never a problem with mine. I wake up after 8 hours and still have ice remaining. .
Visited New York city last fall. At the various attractions, they turned off the water taps so we would buy $4.00 water bottles. (excepttion one Vanderbuilt tower where they didn't shut the water taps).
In Québec canada where I live, last year, they changed the can recycling to cover 100% of aluminium drink cans sold (with a few exceptions of rosme importted products). We have machines that eat aluminium at super markets. They also increased the deposit for ehc can to $0.10 to increase urge to return the cans and feed the machines. (you get cash coupon once you have finished feeding the machine.
These machines BTW require round containers (they spin around until the laser finds the bar code) so those fancle rectangualr bottles wouldn't work). The cans are also crushed to take less space in the large container below the machine).
The returnable items will be extended to wine glass bottles. One of the problems with the blue boxes is that glass is broken up into small pieces and ggreen glass from wine bottles is mixed with transpatent glass and this reduces the value of the bulk container containaing glass pieces. But depositing wine bottles separately, they can be recycled directly back to wine bottles and will keep the blue box product much more pure and this greater value for re-use.
Similarly, for aluminium, cans are made of specific type of aluminium while other products may have different type/alloy and this needs to be separated at the sorting centre since the machines just see it as "aluminium" (non magnetic + eddy currents). By moving all cans to those recycling machines, it reduces separation workload at the sorting centres and provides a "pure" can only supply to aluminium recycling companies.
4:47 it's more the opposite, "subscriptions" are just rentals now. You used to get something for your subscription, like to magazines. You'd get 12 magazines throughout the year. Or the news paper, you'd get the daily paper as long as you paid. And then you had it, it was yours. But today's "subsciptions" are really just rentals. Once you stop paying, the thing is gone. You have nothing. When you have netflix, you are renting the library. Stop paying, stop the access. You have nothing. A true subscription would be like, you receive a blu-ray of 1 episode of you favorite show each month for you to keep forever.
that's not how libraries work. It'ss entirely free to go read the books in them, the subscription is for taking their books home. compared to netflixx, it would work this way: watch for free with heavy drm and restrictions, pay to remove the drm and watch it on YOUR terms, each "takeout" lasting for a day to a week depending on the demand.
@@Amygondor you don't subscribe to a library lol. Unless you mean taxes.
@@IanZainea1990 if you pay monthly for something, it's a subscription. Unless it's mandatory, and then it's taxation.
@@Amygondor I'm pretty sure they meant "When you pay for netflix, you are renting their library of content." Something like that.
@@Amygondor It's actually not even comparable at all, considering that libraries have a finite number of copies of their books, sometimes even only one copy.
reject plastic bottles, reject aluminum cans, return to glass bottles
They break easily and they even more expensive. Also they heavy
Bring back the milk man
@greenwizard9878 in my dad's day they were reused and you'd pay a small fee on each bottle that would ultimately make you decide to turn it in instead of breaking and then it would be cleaned and reused
Pet bottles are amazing. You just need proper collection. Look up countries that have a deposit system. They collect 90%+ of all bottles and that's plastic that has already been SORTED and can be easily recycled.
Pet bottles are not the enemy.
@@greenwizard9878 they still cool asf
Recyclable plastic bottles used to be a thing here in Finland. They used to be thick and durable and could be re-used multiple times after just removing the label and washing it.
I remember as a kid seeing scratches on "new" bottles on store shelves, they were reused that much. Today they're just melted down and molded back into bottles which i find inefficient.
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait, WATER???? I always thought Liquid Death was some kind of beer or Energy Drink. 🤣😂
Yeah me too with a name like that I thought it was extra strong either liquor or energy one of the two but definitely not just plain water
That was the point lol
Me too
...... I no longer feel as bad for my recent knowledge of this fact.
Me three.
Several points are definitely missed here.
Aluminum cans use significantly less plastic than plastic bottles. This is good.
Just because aluminum cans are not recycled back into cans does not mean they arent being recycled into other metal objects like car parts or building materials.
This feels a little dis-genuine to phrase it not as a positive that its not being turned back into itself even though its still being useful.
I really enjoy your videos they are just very negative leaning but they bring a lot of attention to topics i believe need them.
Unsubbed because this happens in like, every single one of their videos.
Ok but why do you need packaged water? Unless you're in an area that doesn't have potable tap water, you should be drinking tap. People are falling for the marketing and buying packaged water even though it's more expensive and wasteful. Aluminum may be better than plastic but reusable water bottles are miles ahead of both.
although it's kinda hard to recycle landfills into anything at all
I mean we said basically this in a sense but I appreciate the perspective. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
You can use less plastic... Or you could use reusable bottles for H2O, like the most abundant liquid on the planet (yes sure drinking water isn't as abundant but... Its still not worthwhile to can that shit)
the thing no one thinks about is GLASS ... its 100% recyclable and can be reused and resmithed without loss in quality or clarity
When I was a kid, we'd collect glass bottles to cash them in. That's how we got our candy money.
As Scouts, we saw them cleaned, sterilized and refilled. Recycling and litter cleanup!
In Mexico they would not sell you a glass coke unless you brought an empty one along with the money 😅
@@Stylez-13 So how do you get an empty one in the first place if you needed an empty one to buy a full one? 🤔
@@TheWoodenshark ask/look around for an empty bottle? 😜
@@TheWoodenshark well we knew you needed one so when we finished the coke we saved. The bottle to exchange
Oregon was one of the first states in the US to have a standardized program for "cashing in" cans and bottles for recycling. (The one scummy part being that the bottle deposit, as it's called, is _not_ included into retail pricing. When you buy, say, a 40-pack of water bottles, the deposit adds +$4 over the price tag) This cash incentive for recycling cans and bottles was really more about the litter prevention/cleanup than the recycling part of it, but dangit, _it still works._
1:15 Ahh the age old “I can’t pronounce the word so I force awkward mispronunciations for thirty seconds thinking I look cute” trope. Will it ever go away?
Lmao I love you for this comment, I rarely hear this sentiment expressed
ugh, yeah, hate that.
probably whenever 'western' countries stop thinking of themselves as superior
No, it’s all they have. They’re scaremongering with zero substance.
Other things RUclipsrs do when they can't pronounce a word:
1 - They show the word onscreen and quip, "I'm.... not even gonna try to pronounce that."
2 - They give it a shot, and go, "I know I mispronounced that, I'm so sorry."
3 - They just freakin' *guess* a pronunciation and move on.
One weird case of this is Coffeezilla, the guy who exposes frauds and scammers. His videos are really well-researched, but one time he pronounced the name of one of Logan Paul's conspirators, "Eddie Ibañez" as Eddie EYE-banezz. It's supposed to be I-BAH-nyez. What's extra strange is that his video included clips of a news segment where the presenter said the name correctly. Yet Cofee himself kept saying that awful mispronunciation over and over throughout the video
@@vitoc8454 That is most people. Not just youtubers.
So the whole issue is that we should increase that 65% to 95%. I don't think it's that hard. Just give incentives to people. Make it easy and it will be done.
because of how economies of scale work, it is substantially easier to continue as is to the point of spending billions on lobbyists and marketing is still cheaper than initiating an industry wide change. The other problem is that if instead they dis-incentivize current processes, because that's far easier than the alternative, the corporations only have to announce a vague threat that the new costs would be passed on to the consumer to then suddenly make consumers turn against any such changes.
Reduce THEN Reuse THEN Recycle. People seem to only care about the third one and rarely the second. No ever talks about reducing
The BIGGEST one is reducing.
yes exactly 🙌
Because companies don’t want you to reduce. Our culture/world is run by for-profit companies.
@@EricKolibas Consumerism is cancer.
Yup, that order was chosen intentionally.
Before this video I've never heard or thougt about aluminum cans being good for the environment. Is this a narrative pushed in the US very heavily while in Germany nobody ever talks about this?
The big lie is we the consumers are somehow responsible for this. Those bottlers should be held responsible for THEIR waste. Bet green glass Coke bottles would be back next week.
YES. Cradle-to-grave needs to be on the producer, not the consumer.
If nobody bought them then they would stop producing them.
@@DogDogGodFog Good luck getting everybody to do what you think is right.
@@DogDogGodFog yeah just everyone should simply not buy things in bad for the environment packaging...
wait huh, you're telling me, that includes practically all products?
and that alternatives are much more expensive or hard to find, excluding poor people, people in rural areas, and likely a lot of disabled people??
and even the alternatives are often only marginally better for the environment, and as soon as possible the corporations behind them will go for the cheaper options, or they could even have been lying from the beginning???
well that sounds downright infeasible
@@ThylineTheGay People love aluminium cans.
If someone is trying to SELL you a solution, it's not a solution and is in fact the problem at the core of everything.
I'll sell you a solution that will keep you from writing comments that make no sense. For fifty bucks a month I'll read all your comments and tell you if they make sense. Oh no! I offered to sell it to you which means my comment is the problem at the core of everything!
I’d say this isn’t 100% true in every situation. I’ve absolutely bought solutions to real problems - just never from someone who presented the problem to begin with _(if I wasn’t actively thinking about the problem before the alleged solution was peddled to me then it’s not a real solution to a real problem I have )_
Yet people still believe in the climate change boogeyman.
Lol. Washing machines certainly solved the problem of hand destroying wasboards. What drivel.
That’s… not true. Selling bicycles as a solution to car dependency doesn’t mean bicycles are part of the problem. lol
I am pretty surprised that everyone didn’t know that ALL cans have to be lined. I suppose one could not line cans, if one wanted their drink and food to taste of metal.
Have you ever looked into where this canned and bottled water comes from? The bottling locations aren't local, so there's a lot of shipping of a very heavy commodity involved in this business. Also, California is a big location for bottled water production, the same California that's been in a drought for however long.
Yeah it's a nightmare! We talked about this in our bottled water video!
And a lot of trucks. Inefficient, expensive trucks. Bring back rail infrastructure!
Only a tiny fraction compared to moving the beverages from the factory to consumers. An empty can only weights 20x less than a can full with beverage.
Sir, I make sure all my water comes from Texas or adjacent states.
Most bottled drinking water sold comes from the city water supply..only purified with a small bit of minerals for taste. Spring water has to specify the water source..the "spring" it came from.
Those stay on tabs were NOT invented in 1989. More like 1979. I was a boy during that era. I want to say it was around 1980.
According to the wikipedia page on drink cans, there was a patent on a stay-on pop tab as early as 1958, but it didn't see widespread adoption. Upon that patent's expiration in 1975, a derivative patent was filed and first appeared commercially on Falls City beer can that same year. According to the website pulltabarchaeology, Sta-Tabs fully replaced ring pull tabs for drink cans in the US by 1983. Ring pull tabs remained in use in Europe until 1990. I'm not sure where they got 1989 from.
@@chrissmalley83 I remember the pull off ones being everywhere in the street and on the sidewalks in the mid-late 70s. Then all the sodas changed around the same time except yoohoo which kept the pull off ones for a few more years and also a much heavier can. My guess is because the lack of carbonation.
Yep I remember them being mid-80s here in Australia. Might have been 86 or even 87, but definitely before 1989.
I don't know either where they got 1989 for the stay-on tab. I remember drinking from cans with stay-on tabs in 1981. It was my first trip to USA with my parents from Canada, and I noticed that US cans were 12 ounces and Canadian cans were 9,5 ounces. Both had stay-on tabs.
@@chrissmalley83 "I'm not sure where they got 1989 from."
It's called "putting too much trust in Google search results."
8:16 No way... Ugh... I learned that there's plastic inside a can, but I wasn't aware of the carbon costs of making these...
3:40 HUGE missed opportunity to say "jump on the cannedwagon"
FRIG! *fires writers
RIGHT?!? I just scrolled down here to leave this same comment. Less fitting, but there's also "cannedfill" over "landfill".
"Improved by 66%" at 7:58 is absolutely nonsensical. 66% of what? 66% of 9% is 6%, so "improving" 9% by 66% would be 15%, not 75%. 66% by mass is also nonsensical because cans and bottles weigh different amounts. depending on the relative weights, recycling virgin aluminium cans 75% of the time may be a worse gram for gram comparison than recycling virgin plastic bottles 10% of the time. I was careful in that wording though, because that is NOT what it says. the comparison made is completely different. 75% of Al remaining in circulation FOREVER is not comparable to 9% of plastic being recycled ONCE. if you want to use data in a serious way, you cannot be making such fundamental errors with the most basic of reading comprehension.
I think the error is intentional. Because the perception of how much more recyclable aluminum is looks much more impressive when there's a difference of "66" between those two percentages. He's just saying that aluminum appears much more recyclable. He probably should have pointed out that the actual difference is only 15% more, but the video isn't about figuring out percentages, it's about misconceptions.
@@bufordhighwater9872 the actual difference would depend on what measures we use to define “better.” No matter what, it will still depend on their relative costs, but it’s fair to say recycling aluminium will be in the thousands to millions of percents better for certain measures like toxic chemical use or environmental damage. You can’t compare on a numbers to numbers basis because 75% of all aluminium staying in the circular economy is fundamentally not comparable to 9% of plastic ever being recycled. It’s like saying that 70% of houses have people living in them but only 12% of businesses are open 24 hours therefore houses are better than businesses. They’re completely unrelated numbers, they’re measured differently, they have different meanings, their calculations are completely different, it’s just stupid.
In 1978 michigan started a 10 deposit which corrected for inflation would be 50 cents. MI has a 90%+ recycling rate fir cans. It's not the dime anymore, it's the culture. Throwing away a can is equal to wasting food or something it might as well be gluttony.
Seriously, a "I don't know how to pronounce a foreign word in this pre-recorded video" joke.
Not like it's all that hard to pronounce, either.
The cheapest and most environmentally sound way to drink water is to take a glass out of the cabinet, walk to the sink, fill the glass with water from the faucet, drink it, and put the glass down, to be washed later with the rest of the dishes.
Council pop
Unfortunately this is not always an option, particularly in areas with water poisoning (like PFAS/Lead) but also in areas with a lot of fracking, meaning they need water from elsewhere. But yes, people should try to reduce their consumption first and reuse whatever they can
@@doughboywhine - ?metal roofs? for rainwater collection - with sand/particle and activated carbon filtration - water can be harvested in most climes even if the stuff in pipes is worse than a 3rd world sewer....
I think it is pretty simple that we are all consuming plastic particles - and nothing is going to change in the short term... Bottled water isn't free of a ost of chemicals either...
@@kadmow Rainwater has chemicals in it that can not be filtered out easily, not to mention it is also an unreliable source of water. If it doesn't rain for a week, you could go completely dry anyways. But my point wasn't to say bottled water is necessary, just that the solution OP mentioned doesn't work for everyone.
Also, just because we already consume plastic doesn't mean we should consume more of it. There's trace amounts of lead in food because it naturally occurs in soil, does that mean we shouldn't avoid it? Obviously we should wherever we can. Plastic has been shown to increase chronic inflammation, leading to a variety of health issues in humans alone. And like I said, it pretty much never leaves the environment - meaning that over time the amount of microplastics in the food chain is increasing. The less of it we produce, the better.
Or fill a glass 75cl bottle, with a cork cap, re-utilized. Drink on a ceramic or glass cup.
fun fact... they wernt always aluminium cans.... they were tin up till the early 80s...thats why you still hear the term "tin cans"
They were steel cans with a very thin layer of tin to stop the steel rusting. Most steel food cans nowadays have a plastic liner similar to the aluminium canned drinks. I believe that it's only some types of canned fruit that still use a steel can with a tin layer like in the "old days".
Wow..
Imagine what all these celebrities are gonna do when someone tells them about glass bottles!
They will probably try to sell you water in a glass bottle, like that is somehow good for the planet or something.
Although glasses superior and its ability to be recycled, it’s heavy so if this is purely about carbon emissions, then glasses not the most effective aluminum is even with the plastic lining problem. The thing is is it’s not the ultimate solution but nothing is going to be. Nothing is going to be perfect I mean to that extent if you went 100% reusable, it’s still would have some waste. It’s just a matter of industrialization in general. I would much rather see single use plastic completely banned in favor of aluminum. Sure there is still waste in aluminum, but it’s significantly reduced from plastic. And takes less energy to transport then glass. It’s kind of The Best of Both Worlds.
@@Baker_king12 Oh, I've a solution that's the best of all worlds:
Drink tap water and skip soft drinks and all that other junk completely.
Just make sure the water utility works of your municipality (and the pipes to and in your home) are up to par, so you won't get served deadly sludge.
In the West, you often get the same quality of (ground) water that gets used in beverage plants, with the same or more measures to monitor it.
If you don't like the taste, use a filter and or a water softening installation.
They're only spokespersons. They have no idea what they're actually hawking.
You gonna have birds carry that glass around the country?
Glass is 100% recyclable, is reusable, doesn't react with the contents, doesn't deteriorate over time or with exposure to sunlight and isn't toxic. Too bad it's heavy and breakable, and when it breaks it turns into razor-sharp shards.
Coating the glass bottles with plastic would solve at least one issue I suppose.
@@AltCutTV Might as well use aluminum cans, then.
@@Lestibournes That's no way to start a new awareness company! 😺
recycling an aluminium can uses 90% less energy than recycling a glass bottle, there is a reason why aluminum replaced glass.
It actually doesn't flow downwards. There's videos about it.
Hmmm, lets see. What people seem to forget about the 3 Rs reduce, reuse and recycle. Recycle is the last one out of the 3. People seem to forget about the first 2 awfully lot. Lets actually push our government entities to ensure safe and clean drinking water from the tap. Lets get off the consumer bandwagon of having to buy everything we consume and take a reusable bottle bottle or cup along with us. I didn't know about the plastic in aluminum can until recently, once upon a time it was a lacquer finish that protected the product in the can
The 9/11 in Bush's ear thing was very... timely. LOL I love dark humor.
Editing team is on it 🔥
Jet fuel can't melt aluminum cans.
@@FutureProofTV I found it gross and disrespectful.
time, please?
2:57 @@Sergio_Loureiro
Remember glass? Corporate will cry and scream , shipping costs, weight but if there was a Federal Law they would all compete a level playing field . But no, we have corporate lobbies🥺
glass isnt the saviour you think it to be.
Glass is more recyclable, but the additional weight and lack of compressibility isn't just a concern for drinks companies, it also means higher emissions when shipping bottles around, including both when sending drinks out for delivery and when sending the bottles back for recycling. Glass is definitely better when the drinks are consumed fairly close to where they're bottled, but I suspect that cans have a lower environmental impact when shipping over long distance.
I haven't run the numbers, so I'm not sure where the cut-off of glass bottles being better for the environment than cans is - it might be at high enough distances that glass is almost always better in practice - but glass' disadvantages still ought to be considered and minimised. Glass is no more of a silver bullet than aluminium.
You can't assume everything will get recycled. The truth is people will throw garbage into the environment. Glass will eventually break down into harmless sand.
Plastic on the other hand will be around for hundreds of years, and poison anything that consumes it.
lobbies, as in groups that try to over-regulate so no new competitors arise? Dude, laws BENEFIT existing monopolies.
@@nathangamble125 Glass don't necessarily need to be recycled, they are reusable. There used to be local glass bottle processing plants everywhere back when they were common, just clean them up and they're ready to go. Having these shops locally also reduces the need for transportation. But then plastic bottles took over and the beverage factories moved further away from the commercial and residential areas.
Being from Michigan, where we pay a $0.10 deposit on cans that we get back when we return them, it's such a culture shock every time I travel to places that don't and see everyone just throwing away aluminum...
It's super disheartening going from a place with like 90% recycling rates to places without deposits that are lucky to have like 15%.................
I have a couple of 5 gallon water jugs that I refill at my Walmart Neighborhood market once a month that costs $0.35 per gallon to refill. The water is safe in my area but just doesn't taste good, so I use the purified water in my coffee makers, as well as filling my Yeti Tumblers. For less than $5 a month, plus the initial $40 for the stand to hold the jugs, it's super affordable to do. I don't understand how people are just buying $3 bottles of water nearly every day, when you can get 10 gallons of water for about that price. And what I'm doing is WAY better for the environment, it's one filter the public uses, and that one filter is the only thing going to the landfill.
They are also great for emergency water supplies because we have hurricanes here in Florida. Some day, when I own a house, I'll get a reverse osmosis system installed into my house because the only thing I don't like about what I'm doing is, I have to carry 10 gallons of water up a flight of stairs to my apartment. I'm too out of shape for that. 🤣Bonus tip, water jugs are the ones you flip upside down, so I found some silicone caps that have a plug in them, when you go to set it in the stand, it pushes the plug inward making it a breeze.
This is absolutely the way, if tap water isn’t an option. Avoids the single-use problem which is the core of the issue
Give me a glass bottle any day. I choose my drink by what is in my glass these days.
@@GavinSeim I only get pop and beer in glass, it just tastes so much better, I know it's more expensive but it means I treat them as a treat and not my primary beverage
I just wasted 13 minutes of my life. Aluminum is still the best packaging for beverages. Glass is fragile and dangerous. I will admit I didn't know that they have a thin plastic layer inside.
Check out the glass East Germany made during the Cold War. Bottling companies in the West rejected it because they could make more money selling glassware that breaks easily.
But glass doesn't have to be easy to break. It's just more capitalism in action.
5:38 The stay-on tab was definitely not invented in 1989. It was patented and initially launched in 1975, and was already so well established throughout the entirety of the 1980s that, growing up in that decade myself, I was entirely unfamiliar with the prior pull-tab can technology.
Yeah, I was very confused about that until I looked it up. I was born in 1980 and remember pull-tab openings being weird and uncommon.
You guys have canned water? What a waste a money and resources
Wait til you hear about our canned air.
Come to said that 😅
It absolutely beats clear plastic bottles for emergency situations.
@@pahiker6 😂😂😂
The amount of people in the US that are duped into buying something that comes to them virtually free, straight to there house in a pipe will never cease to amaze me.
Video starts at 8:55
Cans have one reaaaaaally funny feature - they tend to hold very little liquid. You wont find a plasic bottle smaller than half a liter, but that's about the biggest can size you get. Its pretty interesting to note that liquids in bigger containers tend to end up cheaper for the customer per volume... So you have a common liquid like water, and you have small containers that have the allure of being "green", and you end up selling more of said containers per person... Meaning that this is essentially just companies realising that they can fuck you over for profits while getting good PR
The average can perhaps but Monster have a very large can. So larger cans can be made.
@@two_tier_gary_rumain monster is 500ml
Some exceptions to this: Where I live you can buy six-packs of 0.33 L Coca-Cola beverages and 1.0 L cans of Faxe beer (or sometimes other beer brands, too). Also, there are things like ginger shots in 0.2 or smaller bottles. But in general you're right.
I suspect one reason you don't see many bigger cans is the lack of reasealability.
The manufacturers at least where I live claim a 500ml bottle is two portions for the purposes of the nutrition stickers, hard to make that claim for a non-resealable container.
It is mainly a cost issue. Aluminium is a stronger material than plastic, so you can make bigger containers. Aluminum is already more costly per storage volume than plastic. Larger storage containers also need to be resealable which would increase the material used and thus drive up cost even more. The recycling machines are designed for small cans and you would need to design and invest in new ones if you want to introduce larger ones, which is also expensive.
It's not about using refillable bottles, it's about providing more sources of free clean water around cities
This ^
Like how? Buildings have tap water (and water filters exist). Many grocery stores have reverse osmosis water dispensers. Putting out public drinking fountains isn't practical anymore.
Considering every city in the Western world already has free clean water basically everywhere you look, and people still buy this garbage, it's obviously not about providing the sources, it might have ever be about providing some education that most tap water is healthier for you than most bottled water, and the most bottled water comes from tap water anyway.
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack - why not - ?? clean bottle filling stations are totally an achievable solution - your culture may trash such things, not every country is fillet with $h!tty people.... Practicalities can be very different to a single "lived experience" - NB, been many places, seen many ways to do a whole lot of things (some may even make money marketing such things (or place a social-good value on something which puts less waste in the stormwater runoff....) )
it's called a water tap...
Here in Germany, 1 million aluminium cans are worth 250,000 €. So nobody throws them on a landfill. The same goes for one-way plastic bottles.
Its not a matter of which container is better to throw away - the objective is, to organise the recycling better.
I can't wait until asteroid mining takes off and we start making beverage containers out of gold.
I didn't expect you here
I love your content, but I always come away with the feeling that no matter how hard you try to do good as a consumer, you wil always fail because there is always something being hidden. I guess consumption is the problem. But I don't see a way to get free from that...
Yeah it's hard not to be negative but sadly we're living in a bit of a nightmare of consumerism...
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
When you get basic facts wrong in your video, it's hard to believe the remainder of the asserted facts in the video.
"The stay on can tab was invented in 1989." I don't even need to look that up, it's just plain wrong. I am 48 and pull-off tab cans have not been commonly in use during my lifetime - we've had the stay on tab version the whole time.
Wait, so the top aluminium can producer Ball makes 50 billion cans a year but a 1% shift in demand would cause a demand for 24 billion cans? So how much do they make globally, 2 percent? And they are still a top can producer? Something doesn't add up.
Total demand for bottles includes plastic. Aluminium is small amount of it
Depends on the timeframe. 1% on a daily base is much higher as 1% on yearly base. Or in other words, if you are the one percent and start using a single can by day its naturally having a bigger impact than just one additional can by year. That's a 300+ % difference.
So yeah, this can indeed add up. Though it's probably a bit overestimated also.
Remember during the COVID craze when it was hard to find certain versions of soft drinks on the shelves? Aluminum was in short supply.
A big part of the cycle people don't realize is how not profitable recycling aluminum is for recycling companies. I used to work at a sorting center where they sort and bale up various types of recyclable including aluminum. The most profitable things were ironically usually different kinds of plastic aluminum a lot of the times was just baled and then stored on a yard until it becomes worth enough to sell
Wow, that really surprises me. Thanks for sharing the experience.
The irony is it's actually a "problem" that aluminium is such a common resource in the earth's crust (not mentioned in this video).
Right. But you only tackle half of the issue here. I was born in the 50s. We had glass bottles and steel cans for everything. Even motor oil came in steel cans. Can the industry go back to these? How do they compare? I remember being told that the switch to aluminum was because aluminum chills faster than steel. Obviously, that wasn't the only reason, but what prevents us? I also remember that small, single-serving bottles weren't all that easy to break, and all you needed was an opener.
North Carolina tap water is one of the best water. I don't know why anyone would buy water here. I've been to some places where the tap water has a weird taste. But as long as it is potable, tap water is the way to go.
12:11 Missed opportunity to call it an aluminum bullet
The "silver bullet" is a nickname for the silver aluminum cans containing Coors Light
I thought it was not a missed opportunity, but an opportunity taken
@@yetinother Thats such a niche reference plus silver bullets are already a thing so I feel like most people wouldnt know a pun was being made. But thanks for letting me know I was one of those people
I need to go out more often because I totally missed the aluminium can craze - unless that hasn't hit Australia yet. If I want water I just open the tap.
I live in the US and have only just started to see it.
Was 1:50 really necessary?
Yes. It emphasizes the point.
The video wouldn't work without it
was your comment complaining about his burp really necessary?
Stay-on tabs were on cans before 1989.
Our grandfathers were correct. They went to a café buying glass bottles and returned them. Recycling of them was done by default.
The video starts at 9:00
No it doesn't, that skips why people promote aluminum cans and why it's dumb.
why cant we go back to the milk bottle days where you would leave empty bottles outside and they would be collected, cleaned, refilled, and redelievered T . T
The video wasn't talking about beverages being delivered to your house, so your point about milk bottles is irrelevant.
@@Pointless-Point dont see why milk bottles have to be milk exclusive
It's cheaper, therefore more profitable, for the milk company to put it in plastic jugs that will end up in the trash.
@@TheOtherBill profits over all
Local place does this, refilling glass milk bottles, but it's a lot more expensive for the smaller local milk producer.
correction: the stay-tab dates to 1980, but the revision of that design was in 89. as a child of the 80's pull-tabs were gone by 1985.
The fact this was posted on 9/11 and you added a scene of bush getting informed about 9/11 opens up a whole conspiracy theory.
Imagine how crazy it would be if we could install a water filter in our house and be able to drink fresh, filtered tap water. That would be awesome! Someone should invent that!
Our family is spoiled by our water softener and RO filter. When the kids were in school, they couldn't believe how gross the fountain water was.
A lot of people live in apartments yo... we can't do that.
@@nahor88 Wait, are you saying that your tap water is not drinkable? Can you cook food with it, for example, or is it only good for technical purposes? In Kyiv, tap water is considered drinkable, but not everyone may like it, so now there are machines near every apartment building where you can fill your bottle with water. Once a week I fill three 6-liter bottles like this. A liter costs 1.5 UAH, which is about 0.04 USD)
But I still cook with tap water, unless it's soup or food that absorbs a lot of water.
@@anatolii_obama Bruh he's talking about water filters, not drinking tap water. It sounds like English may not be your first language so I can give you a pass.
>i want to save the planet
>starts another company stealing earth resources
>lol?
Hey, I have a proposal so ludicrous, so outrageous, that nobody ever talks about this: *How about not using those cans at all?* How about _not_ drinking those sugared carbonated nightmares to your health? Because if _there is no can,_ you do not need any aluminium to produce it, no energy to store, distribute and sell it, there is no health problems from people drinking everything from sugared, flavoured and coloured water to sugared, flavoured and coloured water with lots of caffeine in it, and the recycling problem also do not exist.
The solution is not to _change_ consumption, it is to _reduce_ it.
Reduce, reuse, recycle. There's a reason why reduce comes first.
I remember drinking water from an earthen jug as a kid traveling to a "3rd world" country. It tasted great and both smelled great too. BUT those jugs break. Come up with a way to keep clay jugs from breaking until you want them to) and you'll have something.
aw pops you just killed all the sugared - or sugarfree - fake sugared - "fun" for the kiddies.... I personally prefer coffee without sugar - that too has its social cost (no pods for me) - I even take instant (packaged in glass - reused in my home or garage or other place until it happens to be recycled)....
0:32 you've been Unicoded.
0 width space moment
lol
I've lost the battle in my house; I'm the only one that drinks the tap water.
took you like 6:20 to get to the point that's so frustrating
Came to the comments for this exact thing. Top comment.
This video is everything I hate about RUclips. Clickbait title for 2/3rds filler and a patreon advert.
I know people who get a reflex of disgust at the thought that they should drink water from any other source than a plastic or other bottle bought from shop. These are also people with a lot of money who don't count how much they spend, and I have the impression that such drinking from bottles is also a high status symbol for them, which they brag about to the world.
I don't know but flavors taste mute with plastic, but I prefer plastic over my drink steeping in aluminum
So glass.
I've been using a reusable stainless steel bottle for over 10 years. It's a no brainer
Returning to glass would cause prices to climb considerably.
Oh no! Won't someone think of the shareholders!
I've been driving a semi for nearly four years. I refill my stainless bottle at soda fountains, drinking fountains, and sinks. It's free, and it's everywhere.
I used to buy coffee and tea, but now I cold brew everything overnight in a thermos for pennies, and I can drink caffeine until my heart explodes!
I still buy monster, but I need the kick for writing. :3
You know what would be better than canned water? Clean drinking water, piped right into our homes!
Or drinking from streams, like we did for 2 million years.
Water producers for consumers began to reveal themselves with Evian. Evian is "naïve" spelled backward. ❤
It’s a city in France. You should visit it. It’s beautiful. The Evian water is the municipal water in Evian.
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We have had a recyclable container that does not use plastic. It has existed for ages. It is called glass. In fact, we used to require a container deposit that ensured that they were reused.
posting this video today with that clip 3:00 💀
the thumbnail and title explained the concept in 1/10th of a second.
The video length is 13:31
This video has no reason to exist.
We know tiktok rotted your brain, you don't have to tell us.
@@Seth9809 True, TikTok has rotted many people's brains. But the OP is right - like many such "wow - what you didn't know" videos, there was a lot of filler and postponing of getting to the point here.
@@RB-bd5tz Everything in the video was information I didn't know, it's not filler, you're just intellectually lazy.
@@Seth9809 ... you say, to someone who edits scientific research papers for a living. Actually, I didn't know most of this stuff, either - but he didn't get to the POINT - that, oh, horrors; aluminum cans contain plastic - until nine minutes in. To me, one of the rudest things you can do is keep someone waiting unnecessarily.
proof me wrong, i understand there is only bad solutions regarding plastic vs aluminium, but isn't it slightly less damaging when there is aluminium can ended in landfill vs. the plastic? thx
Yeah, I knew about al cans having plastic, but only thanks to climate town.
I'm sorry, but 'aluminum' sounds weird to my 'aluminium' trained ears
You mean a.lu.MI.ni.um?
@@Quagmire-g9e yeah, what did I say?
across the pond, we think the same when you say aluminium. after a time, you learn to accept
@@vulcanfeline 'across the pond' as in the rest of the world?
@@nasirzurmi2630 i was guessing, from that pronunciation that you were from the british isles and there's been a long standing joke between and canada about the pond between us
I was a little surprized when I found out that cans had a plastic lining too, but I didn't fret over it. It is a very thin lining that is only there to protect the metal. Unlike the plastic in paper cartons it's much easier to remove that thin layer of plastic as it just burns up in the furnace. You even stated that recycling cans uses less energy and creates less carbon then making new metal. So I feel like part of the solution is to get law makers to force companies to use more recycled aluminium. Also, I appreciate that the re-sealable aluminium bottles can actually be reused by the people who buy them. Unlike a regular can.
Aloominum
Yes, there will always be people that just throw the cans away instead of putting them in the recycle bin, but that is an education problem. You didnt mention the benefit of canned or bottled water for areas that have been hit by a storm or the lead pipes are contaminating the water. There will always be a need for bottled, or canned, water.
This is a bad take. seriously aluminium cans with all its flaws is infinitely better than than plastic bottles. even if 100% of the plastic produced was properly recycled aluminium still comes out on top.
Why spend Sooooooooooooo much money on the recycle. You don't got to do all that form a new can shit no more. All you need to do is run the used cans thorough sterilizing UV Lights on them and put the same products back in the cans and reuse the anodized image again. UV Lights like that can be made and setup much more efficiently and cost effective now. It's gonna cost less in electricity to convey those used cans under the lights than it will cost to melt them and reform them.
" It's not an wormy apple, it's an apple flavored protein snack" marketing in a nutshell
Up until 2002, the sale of aluminum cans was banned in Denmark, because they are a single-use container. However, the free movement of goods in the EU forced this ban to be lifted. Denmark's deposit-return system has existed since 1922, ensuring that 92% bottles and cans for beverages are returned for reuse or recycling.
When the can ban was lifted, Denmark's deposit-return system also had to be able to handle aluminum cans. Germany then copied this system in 2003 and now also has a deposit-return system. Many Germans don't know they are 101 years late compared to their northern neighbor.
My ceramic coffee mug has served up two coffees per day for 15 years. That's 10,000 reuses and still counting.
I brew with a ceramic drip cone and a paper filter.
I brew once per day to cut down on the use of filters, and save the second serving in a small steel thermos. I rinse the filter with hot water, which also washes the mug, and which is also used to preheat the thermos. Then I use the hot water out of the thermos to pre-rinse any greasy dish left over from the previous evening. The paper filter and the spent coffee grounds go into a compost bin, collected by the municipality.
I measure the water in my kettle with a gram scale, so there's barely ever more than a few tablespoons left over after finishing my pour.
It consumes more electricity to preheat my ceramic cone than I like (about 3 kW-minutes), but that's the last remaining bug in my system. That's about 18 kWH per year. At Canadian rates, that's about the price of one Starbucks' coffee invested in preheating of my ceramic cone filter, daily for a full year.
Glass bottles have recently developed something of the same problem, where text that was previously screen printed directly onto the bottle is now a plastic sticker.