That awkward moment when a lot of chinese gacha company acknowledge Taiwan while Cover corp and everyone's oshis called them Taipei. thats a slap in the face
Like it or not, while Indonesia has developed a large fandom, its purchasing power is relatively low compared to other regions. I understand that this is why Holo ID needs to expand its market outside the country. Still, I will never forget what happened in 2020
That's why HoloID rely so much on sponsorship. With ID gen 3 getting the fandom bigger the chance of collaboration with brands either local Indonesian brands or foreign brands. Getting big fandom is the key of getting sponsorship. Those HoloID collab with Indomie, Honda Motorcycle (the Beat Kobo one) and many brands collab is definitely the great achievement and HoloID are indeed looking into that.
this is true and since hololive ID x Bilibili Journey to china has been announced as indonesian myself if the toxic side of cn internet are trying to harass ID talent I'm willing to fight them tooth and nail.
As a Chinese person who just got into vtubing this year through the Western internet, it was really a really interesting experience learning about an event that happened way before I really got into vtubing. Before I saw your video on the incident I was wondering why doesn't Hololive, being such a big cooperation, have a Chinese branch seeing the potential vtubing market in China. After I learnt about the incident it resulted in quite a conflicting feeling in me. On one hand, I wanted to see Hololive members, whether Chinese or of other ethnicities or nationalities to have a presence in China where I don't have to use a VPN to watch them and of course to have a branch of Hololive that spoke my native language. On the other hand, I knew of the potential toxicity of the Chinese internet due to a lack of moderation for anything outside of alignment with the Chinese socialist views. I learnt of the horrible toxicity that lies under the surface of the Bilibili community as I grew up and discovered that side of the internet, I don't even use some of the more toxic social media such as Weibo, and have been influenced by those as well at times, so I know of the dangers of certain content that tries to influence and persuade people into radical behaviours. Seeing Hololive return to China again is messing with my head in the same way, I am glad to see Hololive return to China but am scared for them for the potential danger to the talents based on my personal experience with the Chinese internet and from what I've seen.
Kinda in the same boat as you (Singaporean Chinese), seeing the wolf warrior mentality, or hyper nationalism in general really rubs me the wrong way, especially when they go on harassment campaigns like this.
To be fair, there is no bigger threat coming from China than the sheer number of people from them, and this would apply to anything in the World that the Chinese could threat. Yes, while there are CN Folks sympathetic or indifferent towards Hololive but even if there is only a small percentage of people from CN harassing Hololive this whole time, that's still a lot of people and among those may have the resources and talents to constantly cause harassment and even worse. I really hope Cover knows how to defend their Talents (both Hololive and Holostars) beacuse with the huge number they are now, it is nearly impossible to guarantee that not a single one of them would commit a mistake similar to what Coco or Haachama did.
so, just to add a little more information: Hololive isn't actually back on China, their Chinese operations are being handled by a third party company called NOA that does the rebroadcasting on the BilliBilli alongside China-exclusive brand deals. Basically the Chinese equivalent of what Mythic Talent does here in the west & we know that because that same company is also handling Sayu Sinchronisity & she basically confirmed as such
afaik, a business cannot operate in China as itself. You are required to have a Chinese company operate on your behalf. Edit : You can license your IP to them so they can use your name etc, but you cannot own them as a foreign company.
Either it will, or Holo will bend over for any demands the chinese market has, which will be it's ruin. There is no happy end when dealing with the devil.
China is a big enough market for any company or corporation to want to target, but the country itself has its own problems with the cause of Coco's graduation is one of those "problems"
Kson didnt renew her contract cause 50% is bullshit....1/3 after google takes its cut She's talked about this in her streams Modern vTuber companies like Idol and Phase give talent 80% of IP and Merch, Mythic is 85%, vSohjo takes none of IP and gives as much as 95% of merch and Sponserships (and my oh my she is with vSohjo now,go figure)
@@FrarmerFrank The Google cut is actually not as bad as the Twitch cut (which is 50% normally). I don’t know much about Idol’s operations, nor Phases (other then they got that Coffee money), but it’s been stated that Mythic is VERY hands off. Their service is not to be an agency like VShojo, but more that all they do is find you branding deals & sponsorship contracts and that’s it. VShojo IMO is a more unique case in the industry as they’re like a JP company but with Western values, which sometimes makes me wonder how they’re funding certain stuff without having to go to talents to eat into their cuts. I know they get that IRL backpack money, but I don’t think that’s funding concerts.
What a bold move by Cover back then when they decided to leave China and align with the West/Taiwan during such heated times, only to cleverly find their way back for the profits, knowing Taiwan has since lost its influence. Truly a world-class business strategy.
@@yura-neko-z9q I don’t think Taiwan has lost much of its influence at all. A sudden attack by China that damages or destroys Taiwan’s Microprocessor Plants would be a significant loss felt around the world (especially in the US). That alone would be enough that barring any idiotcy from Trump, would immediately begin a War between China and the US and subsequently the entire World.
Basically from Mandarin community, apparently Bilibili begged Hololive to came back even offered some good stuff to Holo and all Holo need to do is just stream on bilibili occasionally (whoever wanted to) and give them (bilibili) the rights to sell their stuff. After that Hololive will be free to do whatever they want on bilibili. Personally I'll take this as a huge W for Hololive cause this means Bilibili is now unable to control Hololive however I still sort of hated the decision even though ik it'll definitely generates more opportunities for them
From what I understood with other comments, Hololive is doing rebroadcasting using a third party company. So Hololive is not dealing with it personally. Any issues the third company can handle. Since they are rebroadcast you can translate, and you can avoid problematic cases by censoring or deleting them from the vid. I still don't like it, but since it is essentially the equivalent of seeing a season four months after it was released, Hololive is only getting money and not ceding anything in return. Yeah.
Ironically a decent amount of them were forced to VPN to Taiwan since RUclips is banner in china. So they directly contributed to the very thing they were malding about.
it' started because Haachama mentioned Taiwan, but it's not her fault since she was just reading statistic from google/youtube about where her viewers come from. Coco tried to defend Haachama, but it ended up making chinese fans more angry
China hates being reminded that Taiwan exists and is recognized by most of the world's people (even if the governments don't agree) as the True China. They (Mainland China, aka West Taiwan) insist that the world abide by the hateful "One China Policy" which is supposed to erase the sovereignty of Taiwan and consider it part of the mainland government.
Whats great it this was all the chinese anti's faults. Taiwan appeared so high on that list because they were viewing through a VPN through Taiwan lmao
The problem was people who grind social credit through hololive CN downfall, that why if that bastard people trying to grind that from hololive fault i never forgive those
I know it's cool to still have kson ONAIR around, but I really miss Coco, the Asacoco-plugged-in, orange dragon who greeted us with "Good Morning M*** F***!".
yeah, because she's doing her own thing without restrictions now, it's not as fun. There are some magic to the streams she did in Holo because of the restrictions and so she had to be very creative. It's not that she's not entertaining anymore, but the magic is just a bit lost, at least, for me.
This is pretty clear even in normal streams, like the amount of people asking for a Genshin stream, when Advent and Justice debuted, as Gigi and Shiori, talked about the game extensible.
not so much nationalists these days as the failings of the CCP has killed foreign investment, cities are falling apart and China refuses to pay anyone wages. So Hololive coming back to China makes no sense. Since there is no money to be made. Its all leaving China. People are fleeing en masse.
No, the Nationalists aren't the majority contrary to what they want people to believe Hololive Videos, especially Kiyru Coco Videos, are the most P2P and memory card sealed "contraban" in China in vTubing 😹 Pleaing for Hololive to come back through Billibilli mix hoping to curb uncensored "pirating" of Hololive stuff Also, as much as the Populous may not like the Nationalists, they know Taiwanese government staying all the way over there on Taiwan is better for China(they will overthrow the Nationalists and reclaim China if they aren't left alone😹)
If you mean by the population metrics, then China is not exactly alone in it. Japan actually have it worse. Even still, the massive labour market and economy there always poses as enticing opportunities for companies to try get a piece of the pie.
i hope they have counter measures. I actually like China (and Korea too). You can find both censored & uncensored games in china meanwhile in Japan & the west all games are censored
Nah... I will never forget and forgive the Chinese for that incident, they harassed Coco, we lost her and they expect that we just welcome them with open arms? Nah... never
Honestly, the situation with Coco could have been handled a lot better... I feel like the harassment and eventual graduation could have been prevented if management had decided to really, TRULY address the problem and protect Coco instead of making "corporate business" decisions. Punishing Coco was not a good move. Also, were the issues behind the harassment ever properly/thoroughly addressed? If not, there's a risk of Hololive ending up a similar situation. Cover Corp. needs to have guidelines to prevent this. They can't (and shouldn't) just try to return to the Chinese market without the protection of their talents in mind. Profits should not be their only goal...
The perspective of the fan is to prevent Coco graduating. But if we hear what Coco wanted, Coco wanted creative freedom, and she got creative freedom by graduating. Got bigger money share too. She has shown on twitter her pride on how VShojo does things, though ppl criticize her as always. Towa has said when meeting Coco after several years, that Hololive has changed and she agreed that Hololive wouldn't have fit Coco's preference. In the end, Hololive is a big corporate that has to follow business rules, that results in having to go through bureaucracy and having certain restrictions. In exchange, it does give Holo huge opportunities like Suisei going to Tokyo Dome, making a huge 3D studio office, doing whatever brand/artist/etc collabs that the members want, and many more. It's a pick-your-poison situation.
i think holo need more time to step to that market, i don't want to gloom and doom or doomposting whatnot, but after what ever happened in 2024 it's not wise to go back yet. chloe statement, regis complain, kronii story that she waited/being ignored for 20 days for game permission, and shion MV story too. rather than mistreatment (arguably), holo need to address their mismanagement, cut-off their bad apples and start properly get their proper staffs and state (cover/holo) what's their direction and main objective, so if some talents have different views they can leave and start their own new journey with their own ideas, so there's no bad blood between them and crystal clear reasoning of the talents departure in the future. but don't worry, as i said just throw the bad apples, as holo also have some good staffs too. shiori said she can do whatever she wants (to some extent) and she don't need to do stuff if she's not willing too and some members have same experience. as fubuki said, as long she's not leaving, hololive is still good and vice versa. so pay a little bit attention to the snow fox as she's the one of hololive pillars.
Are you new? Serious question. The "suspension" was not really punishment and given the situation, keeping her streaming was not going to help her in the long run mentally with the way things were at the time, and during that time, if I remember correctly, both nijisanji and cover announced their antiharrassment policies and reported
"were the issues behind the harassment ever properly/thoroughly addressed?" Nope. Taiwan is still a hot button issue and people are still too worked up about politics.
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You know that the sad thing is even the newer fans are didnt know about this, back then when i tell about this situation, when i tell my worries because Kobo go into Bilibili, somehow i got backlash from the new fans in indonesia, they really didnt know how big the incident is, and think easy about it
yeah, the newer fans that weren't there when it happened don't know how bad it was. The bot spams were constant. Twitter wumao was everywhere. It was just so stressful for the fans and the talents.
@@DTDplays It was truly a "you had to be there to understand" type of era and the aftereffects lasted longer than even I had suspected they would when it came to Fubuki's stream chat as the moderators there became a bit ruthless and still were after over a year had passed from my experience.
imagine one single member takes a stand after accidentally saying 'Taiwan', actively doubling down on it way more explicitly than Coco, not wanting to feel the boot of China like that after years of hiding it and causing the biggest incident in vtubing ever.
And VShojo ended up benefitting from this ironically. Like these: - KSon now personally visits TAIWAN more times than ever, including with some streamers in the IYKYK realm. AND falls in love with a TAIWANESE local snack that is very much a Taiwanese Native's collective memory growing up. - VShojo got themselves THREE former NijiEN Talents in their main branch that just wants to be themselves on stream and not pander to parasocial idiots, and in the form of Social-savvy Roach Mom, Undead God of Miracles and an artistcally-inclined Merchant Human made up of parts from six others.
I would advice Hololive to not return to China, because if they do, it kinda feels like they disrespect Coco in a way, considering how she was bullied by the Chinese.
I personally would not think Coco would not take any offense to this but I worry more if some CN Folks did not forget despite that it has already been 4 years since that incident.
I am fairly sure the company since changed course from "We have a spine" to "chase the almighty coin". That is why we shouldn't put too much importance into a brand name outside of product quality. The rare company that is your friend today may be your enemy tomorrow because both the people who are managing it on the inside and those who are funding it on the outside are on a revolving door. Old people leave and new people get in all the time.
This whole story being so well documented makes me wish we knew more than we do about another famous HL controversy - the story of Mizuryu Kei, "the artist who missed the boat".
yeah, that one is so weird tbh no daylight drama and suddenly he delete everything about hololive and said they cut ties just like that in middle of project
@@ForteEXEMaster An unholy mess of defamation, false narratives and fake streams woven in both Japanese and Chinese languages that ultimately involved MK and HL completely cutting ties for reasons still unknown. He was going to work on the Alternative manga, it could've been amazing.
I have no idea what Cover could have done in the situation to make it better. But even with zero PR training I could tell that releasing different statements in Chinese and in other languages was extremely dumb. What were they even thinking? Of course it backfired.
Starting with a suspension let the Chinese fans know their bullying would work Following up with a formal apology showed them where the weak points were Putting Coco back on stream with no additional moderation support was an obvious bloodbath And once the hate started rolling in, the company didn't just ignore it they created a fractured and internally hostile image that further attracted hatred. They should have made a very simple statement that the analytics were from Google, blame Google, and promise Holo livers wouldn't look at their analytics on-stream again as it wasn't particularly good content anyway (being careful to emphasise that the reason being it wasn't interesting to avoid feeding the trolls). Then arrange an event of some kind to move past the issue - preferably with multiple talents to show a united front. There would be some trolls, and the company needed to provide support to filter them instead of leaving it up to unpaid jannies (and having a troll get added to cope with overflow) because that's the companies job. Holo had to pull out of China anyway. That was likely always going to be true, and may have been true even if they played it all right, but they fed the hatred with a slow drip of success then wondered stupidly why it didn't fade away even after sacrificing one of their top earners to it. Without feeding the hate they might have been able to actually placate the Chinese market for a while until the next stupid little slight offended the terminally underendowed CCP stooges. EDIT: This is easier to say in hindsight than it would be to see at the time. The biggest problem Holo had was that they clearly did not understand the Chinese market and thus could not anticipate the scale of the storm they found themselves in. They genuinely thought every small concession was a resolution, and not just a show of weakness that would be held against them.
It's easier to talk than to act, what you don't understand about Hololive's position at that time is, if they defend Coco, then they will be considered interfering in other countries' political problems. If at that time Hololive had been as big as it is now, perhaps conditions would have been different. In the past, Hololive was still weak and didn't have much power..
@@danh508 yea it's CCP, not CCYou, anyway, western taiwan will do something worse i feel this time, plus HL has been taming their content down so much, i was surprised to see all the funny, crude stuff they used to do that was unique and i remember loving also from VSJ's talents (they got me into Vtubing, so then going to hololive, it was like going from one set of rules for talents AND fans between each community - you could say PL stuff about VSJ THEN EVEN, only recently did people realize it only benefits companies and control over fan's telling other fan's off and doing 'thought-crime') It won't just be CoCo scrubbed off the site, be much more than that - think of EN's first 2 wave's early days streams and just chat's, they said some greatly funny and fresh for HL stuff back then and had fun - you think CCP/western taiwan won't have a problem? Some of that stuff they maybe did or said in passing that CNers may suddenly take great offense to NOW randomly (as per usual), and this time we have no idea what to do? Cause they (cover) didn't back then and the CN's were ready to attack so hard they ruined lives. All for CCP's mascot, Xinnie the pooh and the -glorious- gutter oil-using west taiwan
Ma'habre streets is so emotionally perfect with this. Just goes to show how spite is a powerful motivator. The vpn to harass Coco on member's only streams made me pause for a moment.
I hate how this story seems so far away (4 years now) but at the same time, it feels like it was yesterday. Just watch whatever the fck you want and don't harass people, if you don't like something a streamer said move to the next one it's not like there are few companies out there (VSPO, VEE, Project, Racoon, etc...) for you to enjoy vtubers.
don't worry sir, only barbaric people in countryside is anyway eat dog and cat, i living in Qingdao for education academy here, i see only see here a good moral and civilied Chinese in major cities never have interisting on dog and cat (unfortunely they have many fake meats here....) Japanese fans, Western fans, Indonesian fans, and good Chinese fans (including Taiwanese, Hongkongers, and Chinese outsiders like me) will protecting FWMC
As someone from Indonesia, I told this before: China is just too big of a market to ignore, plus a lot of games came from that country. I mean, my country has a lot of love and hate relationships with China and the West, but in the end, China is still our biggest trading partner. but it looks like Cover is just partially entering using certain members, and Hololive Indonesia it looks like Cover is being cautious right now, but I don't blame them if they try to push more Bilibili streams in the future.
Yep, kinda remember that. It was really bad, but knowing what's going on right now I sometimes think that it's pretty much not the worst thing that happened back then, happens right now or gonna happen sooner or later
@@semsot-the-fake It was the worst thing that happened. It showed how Cover/Hololive couldn't even protect their own members. An entire section of Hololive was closed over it and stayed closed for years, even after Coco's departure
Thank you for the coverege. I remember the Coco Incident, started with hololive around that time... who would have thought that Suisei was working on Bibbidiba for such a long time now.
Im fairly new to vtubers so this cleared up a lot because i knew something happened but i didnt know all the details so thank you for the great video! But this honestly makes me very upset to see that people can be so hateful over such a small thing
I think the worst part about the Coco situation was that many members of HoloCn were actively encouraging Coco’s harassment. Like it or not she was their coworker and one misunderstanding led them to encourage antis to harass someone like them. Not to mention antis using Aqua as propaganda to further promote attacking Coco. This is what got Nijisanji so much hate from fans because how do you justify attacking your employee/coworker because they want to be a proper entertainer not a slave?
What worries me about this is that China hasn’t gotten better as far as its attitude towards Japan goes. It’s gotten worse. All it will take is one small event for Chinese antis to go crazy again. Maybe not even an event that has anything to do with the company itself.
As Chaucer had put it: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." In other words, if Cover breaks down again in China, there cannot be a third attempt.
the threat is coming from multiple directions, from the inside the chinese fans, the vtubers in china and outside from non fans in china. the vtubers wants to guard their market/fans, so they will do something when JP competitors gets popular. the non fans and some fans will do something, cause hololive is from JP. i dont hate that, im not urging them to change, it's just the way it is, chinese market is like that. i just hope COVER what they must to protect their talent for venturing into chinese market. and not throwing them under the bus when shit hit the fan.
Double standard, ID already used to it. I bet these mf doesnt even watch ID members that much unless its a collab with their actually beloved EN/JP members
The problem is, Chinese market is largely fake because the limitation of how you can possibly getting money out of China is incredibly difficult. You basically need to use their platform because you can't use RUclips for it. International travel in case of offline collab will be tedious to schedule. Cover needs to found a new vtuber group that's not "hololive" to be able to possibly stay out of trouble.
Speaking of Kson stories, PLEASE cover the PLAYISM mess. That was a hilarious display of incompetence and bootlicking. Edit: Ah, you mention it. Should've finished watching the video first.
Did you know bunch of other HoloID's have streamed on Bili-bili? And they also did it with even the one who didnt have a dime about chinese language (Risu for example). From this information at least I know HoloID unique position made management(not talent) to actively push them into China market again.
Remember Remember, the 24th of September. The Chinese, treasons, and plots. I see no reason Why Taiwan incident Should ever be forgot As a veteran in the trench, we shall see
I remember the... weibo?... group that were still coco fans and talking nicely about her for a LONG time. Iirc, they thought it was exaggeration what the rest of HL fans were doing and it would only backfire.
That said. It's a bit disappointing, but hopefully they don't get married to China again. If this is how they act, then they are just a ticking time bomb.
Hmmh... Well, maybe we're at a point where everyone is tired with battling with each other and we should reconcilliate. I'm all for reconciliation, but I know that some of us are all very ready to throw some negativity. Let's not have a repeat of 2020 and this time, let's do this slowly.
I was there during all this shit that happen because a country got butthurt because of a word. Up until now, I'm not fond of fans from there. It makes us cautious whenever there's a fan from that country enters a livestream. And yeah old fans kinda triggered when new fans talk about wanting a chinese game or bilibili. And yeah, if you watch closely many of the members that had been there during Coco's time didn't really play chinese games. Better to be safe than sorry
I just wanted another Hololive collab since I joined Azur Lane after seeing the collab but I was too late. Apparently, I joined just right after the event and didn’t manage to get them.
So did DN censor the Taiwanese flag from one of the slides, or was it censored by the source? Just found it amusingly ironic considering the topic. Unfortunately, as long as Taiwan remains a free nation, this is going to continue being a solid wall between China and pretty much every non-Chinese company and fandom.
Wrong way around. So long as mainland 2nd-rate China keeps being a bastion of slavers and their victims, the sperg-outs will never end. Hololive made a huge mistake going public, and an equally big one going back to that miserable place.
I was there when the war happens... we fought and win, with a sarcrifice... seeing id girls came back its hard to hate, i will protect them again if history repeats it self, mark my words.
Wow 25 minutes of milking a topic once again, at least you should have the balls to pin the comment that explains their "return" to billibilli more accurately instead of doomposting and clickbaiting
i could see the china branch re-opening but operating under unique rules, or they make a latin branch in the near future. sadly the one i dont see happening ever is a korean branch given there anti-anonymity laws. =/
If the branches of Hololive have the same set of role like the common vtuber gens do, then I would say JP is the leader, EN is the powerhouse and ID is the heart of Hololive as a whole Thus it make sense why Cover seems to be the most lenient towards ID and stricter to the others. Yagoo once said that he wanted the ID branch to be the bridge for all of the branches to interact, but that's not to say that they're incapable of pulling similar feats outside of Holo, and so there they have it. Gotta admit them actually trying to bridge back Holo fandom with CN audience was not on my bingo card tho
I don't blame Hololive for returning to China in the way they did. If they debut a new wave of Hololive China, that's where it gets interesting. In the current state, pulling back out of China is much easier than it was when they had a Chinese branch.
are those chinese trolls just organic individuals? why would they be so motivated? are they government sponsored? why would ccp do such a counterproductive thing? over what, just a throw away line from a vtuber?
I'm still pissed at how you called Ame talentless in your video title, you're an idiot for saying that. Don't sell the talent's personal information, and don't make false self-graduation then come back because the money is too good.
@@standforrover selected members only not everyone...not yet. To be honest I never cared about it. So tell me who are the members who can play Chinese games so far. I stopped at Kobo since she's the test guinea pig of Cover. Are there anyone else? In BiliBili and not YT
Being a Hololive fan myself, I'm still having a bad feeling about Hololive going back to China, since even 4 years after the incident and after Coco graduated, China still isn't being kind to Hololive (Fuck those Chinese antis frfr) However this isn't to say that there are no Chinese Hololive fans, As DN pointed out in a previous video that there are some Chinese fans that love Coco, hell there are even some Chinese Hololive fans (I'm not sure if I can call em that but yea they still are) that only hate Coco. Personally, if Hololive decides to promote in China again I don't mind, since I wouldn't want actual Chinese Hololive fans to feel left out I just hope Cover learned their lessons and knows how to protect their talents, because goddamn we don't want another incident like Coco's to happen again 💀
From what I know, most of the Hololive *fans* on Bilibili either moved on to someone else or just stopped talking about it. But none spoke up, as that was a sure fire way of getting cancelled by the rest of the platform. Even nowadays there's no fan who would speak of the incident. Speaking as a Chinese viewer myself, I'm glad to know Hololive is making a return to China. Finally I can see Holomem playing Chinese games.
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Wait, Luna was "stolen" from nijisanji?
China have god tier animators, I guess they wanted that firepower
That awkward moment when a lot of chinese gacha company acknowledge Taiwan while Cover corp and everyone's oshis called them Taipei. thats a slap in the face
Like it or not, while Indonesia has developed a large fandom, its purchasing power is relatively low compared to other regions. I understand that this is why Holo ID needs to expand its market outside the country. Still, I will never forget what happened in 2020
That's why HoloID rely so much on sponsorship. With ID gen 3 getting the fandom bigger the chance of collaboration with brands either local Indonesian brands or foreign brands. Getting big fandom is the key of getting sponsorship. Those HoloID collab with Indomie, Honda Motorcycle (the Beat Kobo one) and many brands collab is definitely the great achievement and HoloID are indeed looking into that.
ID bro also have high nationalism and big population, they can fight CN keyboard warrior.
@@kaka09876543210 lmao I remember that when someone attacked Kobo, the entire ID bro beat them to the ground lol
Its why every single ID member can speak English to some extent. They need to reach both markets
this is true and since hololive ID x Bilibili Journey to china has been announced as indonesian myself if the toxic side of cn internet are trying to harass ID talent I'm willing to fight them tooth and nail.
As a Chinese person who just got into vtubing this year through the Western internet, it was really a really interesting experience learning about an event that happened way before I really got into vtubing. Before I saw your video on the incident I was wondering why doesn't Hololive, being such a big cooperation, have a Chinese branch seeing the potential vtubing market in China. After I learnt about the incident it resulted in quite a conflicting feeling in me. On one hand, I wanted to see Hololive members, whether Chinese or of other ethnicities or nationalities to have a presence in China where I don't have to use a VPN to watch them and of course to have a branch of Hololive that spoke my native language. On the other hand, I knew of the potential toxicity of the Chinese internet due to a lack of moderation for anything outside of alignment with the Chinese socialist views. I learnt of the horrible toxicity that lies under the surface of the Bilibili community as I grew up and discovered that side of the internet, I don't even use some of the more toxic social media such as Weibo, and have been influenced by those as well at times, so I know of the dangers of certain content that tries to influence and persuade people into radical behaviours. Seeing Hololive return to China again is messing with my head in the same way, I am glad to see Hololive return to China but am scared for them for the potential danger to the talents based on my personal experience with the Chinese internet and from what I've seen.
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Kinda in the same boat as you (Singaporean Chinese), seeing the wolf warrior mentality, or hyper nationalism in general really rubs me the wrong way, especially when they go on harassment campaigns like this.
Hololive needs to protect it's talents above all else
To be fair, there is no bigger threat coming from China than the sheer number of people from them, and this would apply to anything in the World that the Chinese could threat.
Yes, while there are CN Folks sympathetic or indifferent towards Hololive but even if there is only a small percentage of people from CN harassing Hololive this whole time, that's still a lot of people and among those may have the resources and talents to constantly cause harassment and even worse.
I really hope Cover knows how to defend their Talents (both Hololive and Holostars) beacuse with the huge number they are now, it is nearly impossible to guarantee that not a single one of them would commit a mistake similar to what Coco or Haachama did.
Thanks for posting. Hopefully everything works out, I don't want fans like you to be left out.
so, just to add a little more information:
Hololive isn't actually back on China, their Chinese operations are being handled by a third party company called NOA that does the rebroadcasting on the BilliBilli alongside China-exclusive brand deals. Basically the Chinese equivalent of what Mythic Talent does here in the west
& we know that because that same company is also handling Sayu Sinchronisity & she basically confirmed as such
So this video is just a huge DOOMPOSTING attempt?
@@moonyamoonya997😂
@@moonyamoonya997I mean at best it serves as a history rundown for newer Hololive fans
afaik, a business cannot operate in China as itself. You are required to have a Chinese company operate on your behalf.
Edit : You can license your IP to them so they can use your name etc, but you cannot own them as a foreign company.
@@moonyamoonya997 i wanna say Caution-posting
& an explanation as to why older Hololive fans reacted negatively to the news
Now I just hope that the disaster of a few years ago will not repeat itself, Coco's incident was enough 💀
Either it will, or Holo will bend over for any demands the chinese market has, which will be it's ruin. There is no happy end when dealing with the devil.
narrator "it absolutely will."
@@KB_13247 narrator "it will be Fubuki this time"
@@mrneko2506Sounds like Monkey paw obliged on Fubuki's "If something goes wrong in Cover, I will graduate" if that ever happens...
It will, it’s just a matter of “when”
China is a big enough market for any company or corporation to want to target, but the country itself has its own problems with the cause of Coco's graduation is one of those "problems"
The Honkai bunny incident was just...I don't think i can find a word for that shit
Kson didnt renew her contract cause 50% is bullshit....1/3 after google takes its cut
She's talked about this in her streams
Modern vTuber companies like Idol and Phase give talent 80% of IP and Merch, Mythic is 85%, vSohjo takes none of IP and gives as much as 95% of merch and Sponserships (and my oh my she is with vSohjo now,go figure)
@@FrarmerFrank The Google cut is actually not as bad as the Twitch cut (which is 50% normally). I don’t know much about Idol’s operations, nor Phases (other then they got that Coffee money), but it’s been stated that Mythic is VERY hands off. Their service is not to be an agency like VShojo, but more that all they do is find you branding deals & sponsorship contracts and that’s it. VShojo IMO is a more unique case in the industry as they’re like a JP company but with Western values, which sometimes makes me wonder how they’re funding certain stuff without having to go to talents to eat into their cuts. I know they get that IRL backpack money, but I don’t think that’s funding concerts.
What a bold move by Cover back then when they decided to leave China and align with the West/Taiwan during such heated times, only to cleverly find their way back for the profits, knowing Taiwan has since lost its influence. Truly a world-class business strategy.
@@yura-neko-z9q I don’t think Taiwan has lost much of its influence at all. A sudden attack by China that damages or destroys Taiwan’s Microprocessor Plants would be a significant loss felt around the world (especially in the US). That alone would be enough that barring any idiotcy from Trump, would immediately begin a War between China and the US and subsequently the entire World.
Basically from Mandarin community, apparently Bilibili begged Hololive to came back even offered some good stuff to Holo and all Holo need to do is just stream on bilibili occasionally (whoever wanted to) and give them (bilibili) the rights to sell their stuff. After that Hololive will be free to do whatever they want on bilibili. Personally I'll take this as a huge W for Hololive cause this means Bilibili is now unable to control Hololive however I still sort of hated the decision even though ik it'll definitely generates more opportunities for them
From what I understood with other comments, Hololive is doing rebroadcasting using a third party company. So Hololive is not dealing with it personally. Any issues the third company can handle. Since they are rebroadcast you can translate, and you can avoid problematic cases by censoring or deleting them from the vid.
I still don't like it, but since it is essentially the equivalent of seeing a season four months after it was released, Hololive is only getting money and not ceding anything in return. Yeah.
I understood about idol identity cant be reveal by a company but the thing was all normies in china was have huge hatred toward japanese
I actually tried to type Kiryu Coco in Genshin recently and it let me! I even tried a few different ways of typing it to make sure!
i'm guessing they forgot to include that censorship at some point in the past & they never remember it anymore
so let me get this straight, all of this started because the Chinese fans didn't like that Coco had a big Tiwanese fanbase? Smh
China didn't like that Coco recognized Taiwan as its own thing.
Ironically a decent amount of them were forced to VPN to Taiwan since RUclips is banner in china. So they directly contributed to the very thing they were malding about.
it' started because Haachama mentioned Taiwan, but it's not her fault since she was just reading statistic from google/youtube about where her viewers come from. Coco tried to defend Haachama, but it ended up making chinese fans more angry
China hates being reminded that Taiwan exists and is recognized by most of the world's people (even if the governments don't agree) as the True China. They (Mainland China, aka West Taiwan) insist that the world abide by the hateful "One China Policy" which is supposed to erase the sovereignty of Taiwan and consider it part of the mainland government.
Which in itself is their own fault for mainly using a VPN to Taiwan due to RUclips being banned in china.
Whats great it this was all the chinese anti's faults. Taiwan appeared so high on that list because they were viewing through a VPN through Taiwan lmao
The problem was people who grind social credit through hololive CN downfall, that why if that bastard people trying to grind that from hololive fault i never forgive those
Coco's incident marks a new era for Hololive
an era without Kiryu Coco sadly ...
I know it's cool to still have kson ONAIR around, but I really miss Coco, the Asacoco-plugged-in, orange dragon who greeted us with "Good Morning M*** F***!".
Kson's What's Treending & English Class sterams have been really fun to watch. You might want to check them out.
yeah, because she's doing her own thing without restrictions now, it's not as fun. There are some magic to the streams she did in Holo because of the restrictions and so she had to be very creative. It's not that she's not entertaining anymore, but the magic is just a bit lost, at least, for me.
On the kobo genshin stream, I find out some fan doesn't know they have blacklist to do Chinese game
This is pretty clear even in normal streams, like the amount of people asking for a Genshin stream, when Advent and Justice debuted, as Gigi and Shiori, talked about the game extensible.
It's been more than 4 years since coco incident after all
wukong , arknight, bro.
@@iiiiiiiiiiiiililiiiiio when was the la time they play arknight?, and wukong is a recent game.
It’s kinda scary to see how coco managed to trigger an entire country
not so much nationalists these days as the failings of the CCP has killed foreign investment, cities are falling apart and China refuses to pay anyone wages.
So Hololive coming back to China makes no sense. Since there is no money to be made. Its all leaving China. People are fleeing en masse.
No, the Nationalists aren't the majority contrary to what they want people to believe
Hololive Videos, especially Kiyru Coco Videos, are the most P2P and memory card sealed "contraban" in China in vTubing 😹
Pleaing for Hololive to come back through Billibilli mix hoping to curb uncensored "pirating" of Hololive stuff
Also, as much as the Populous may not like the Nationalists, they know Taiwanese government staying all the way over there on Taiwan is better for China(they will overthrow the Nationalists and reclaim China if they aren't left alone😹)
Because they are snowflakes
not the entire country , just the government and their sjws lackies
Well, there's the quiet majority that will keep quiet, while the Chinese Little Pinks army is turbo-vocal and the voice of the tyrannical party.
Dang. Earliest I've ever been to a video. Love the channel!
6:20 not the chinese mafia guy & Vietnamese veteran memes 😭
That country is slowly dying by itself and yet they wanna tap that market? Hope they have countermeasures ready for deployment
If you mean by the population metrics, then China is not exactly alone in it. Japan actually have it worse. Even still, the massive labour market and economy there always poses as enticing opportunities for companies to try get a piece of the pie.
@@CassiopeiaOnYTthere is more
i hope they have counter measures. I actually like China (and Korea too). You can find both censored & uncensored games in china
meanwhile in Japan & the west all games are censored
Nah... I will never forget and forgive the Chinese for that incident, they harassed Coco, we lost her and they expect that we just welcome them with open arms? Nah... never
Honestly, the situation with Coco could have been handled a lot better... I feel like the harassment and eventual graduation could have been prevented if management had decided to really, TRULY address the problem and protect Coco instead of making "corporate business" decisions. Punishing Coco was not a good move.
Also, were the issues behind the harassment ever properly/thoroughly addressed? If not, there's a risk of Hololive ending up a similar situation.
Cover Corp. needs to have guidelines to prevent this. They can't (and shouldn't) just try to return to the Chinese market without the protection of their talents in mind. Profits should not be their only goal...
The perspective of the fan is to prevent Coco graduating. But if we hear what Coco wanted, Coco wanted creative freedom, and she got creative freedom by graduating. Got bigger money share too. She has shown on twitter her pride on how VShojo does things, though ppl criticize her as always. Towa has said when meeting Coco after several years, that Hololive has changed and she agreed that Hololive wouldn't have fit Coco's preference.
In the end, Hololive is a big corporate that has to follow business rules, that results in having to go through bureaucracy and having certain restrictions. In exchange, it does give Holo huge opportunities like Suisei going to Tokyo Dome, making a huge 3D studio office, doing whatever brand/artist/etc collabs that the members want, and many more. It's a pick-your-poison situation.
i think holo need more time to step to that market, i don't want to gloom and doom or doomposting whatnot, but after what ever happened in 2024 it's not wise to go back yet. chloe statement, regis complain, kronii story that she waited/being ignored for 20 days for game permission, and shion MV story too. rather than mistreatment (arguably), holo need to address their mismanagement, cut-off their bad apples and start properly get their proper staffs and state (cover/holo) what's their direction and main objective, so if some talents have different views they can leave and start their own new journey with their own ideas, so there's no bad blood between them and crystal clear reasoning of the talents departure in the future. but don't worry, as i said just throw the bad apples, as holo also have some good staffs too. shiori said she can do whatever she wants (to some extent) and she don't need to do stuff if she's not willing too and some members have same experience. as fubuki said, as long she's not leaving, hololive is still good and vice versa. so pay a little bit attention to the snow fox as she's the one of hololive pillars.
Are you new? Serious question. The "suspension" was not really punishment and given the situation, keeping her streaming was not going to help her in the long run mentally with the way things were at the time, and during that time, if I remember correctly, both nijisanji and cover announced their antiharrassment policies and reported
"were the issues behind the harassment ever properly/thoroughly addressed?"
Nope. Taiwan is still a hot button issue and people are still too worked up about politics.
TAIWAN IS REAL COUNTRY TAIWAN IS REAL COUNTRY TAIWAN IS REAL COUNTRY TAIWAN IS REAL COUNTRY TAIWAN IS REAL COUNTRY TAIWAN IS REAL COUNTRY TAIWAN IS REAL COUNTRY TAIWAN IS REAL COUNTRY
Also:
"Tiananmen Plaza June 4th 1989"
Tibet; the great leap forward.
Taiwan is not a real country
China is a real country, and it’s government is exiled on the island of Taiwan
I agree but don't be so artist about it lol
As ID myself i doen't recognized the island of formosa as country well because they are austronesian so that are Indonesian island.XD
love the fear and hunger bgm
You know that the sad thing is even the newer fans are didnt know about this, back then when i tell about this situation, when i tell my worries because Kobo go into Bilibili, somehow i got backlash from the new fans in indonesia, they really didnt know how big the incident is, and think easy about it
yeah, the newer fans that weren't there when it happened don't know how bad it was. The bot spams were constant. Twitter wumao was everywhere. It was just so stressful for the fans and the talents.
@@DTDplays It was truly a "you had to be there to understand" type of era and the aftereffects lasted longer than even I had suspected they would when it came to Fubuki's stream chat as the moderators there became a bit ruthless and still were after over a year had passed from my experience.
Probably because of the undertones that come with it...
imagine one single member takes a stand after accidentally saying 'Taiwan', actively doubling down on it way more explicitly than Coco, not wanting to feel the boot of China like that after years of hiding it and causing the biggest incident in vtubing ever.
5:55 A memory was unlocked.
Niji trying to dodge the Kson bullet ending up in Kson dodging a Railgun shell instead is the funniest. Absolute Suinema
And VShojo ended up benefitting from this ironically. Like these:
- KSon now personally visits TAIWAN more times than ever, including with some streamers in the IYKYK realm. AND falls in love with a TAIWANESE local snack that is very much a Taiwanese Native's collective memory growing up.
- VShojo got themselves THREE former NijiEN Talents in their main branch that just wants to be themselves on stream and not pander to parasocial idiots, and in the form of Social-savvy Roach Mom, Undead God of Miracles and an artistcally-inclined Merchant Human made up of parts from six others.
1:35 Unlocking some forgotten memories with this one.
Imagine having millions of ravenous harassers simply because you've read the name of a country.
The country they will never admit it isn't part of theirs, because they are a prosperous democracy unlike the dictatorship China is.
I would advice Hololive to not return to China, because if they do, it kinda feels like they disrespect Coco in a way, considering how she was bullied by the Chinese.
I personally would not think Coco would not take any offense to this but I worry more if some CN Folks did not forget despite that it has already been 4 years since that incident.
Cover investors don't care. Some of them are Chinese.
I am fairly sure the company since changed course from "We have a spine" to "chase the almighty coin". That is why we shouldn't put too much importance into a brand name outside of product quality. The rare company that is your friend today may be your enemy tomorrow because both the people who are managing it on the inside and those who are funding it on the outside are on a revolving door. Old people leave and new people get in all the time.
lol, "advice". Okay so-called advice expert.
@@savagetothebones1642 You could atleast explained what's wrong with my statement instead of giving an passive-aggressive response for no reason.
This whole story being so well documented makes me wish we knew more than we do about another famous HL controversy - the story of Mizuryu Kei, "the artist who missed the boat".
Wait, what happened with MK and China?
yeah, that one is so weird tbh no daylight drama and suddenly he delete everything about hololive and said they cut ties just like that in middle of project
@@ForteEXEMaster An unholy mess of defamation, false narratives and fake streams woven in both Japanese and Chinese languages that ultimately involved MK and HL completely cutting ties for reasons still unknown. He was going to work on the Alternative manga, it could've been amazing.
I've just read about this drama you've mentioned, and boy, that's hell of a bizzare tale. Thank you for telling about it!
never knew that he worked with holo, what happened? is there a video or article you guys could point me to?
In fact, hololive ID streams on bilibili and recently there was a minimal roboco concert on that platform
I have no idea what Cover could have done in the situation to make it better.
But even with zero PR training I could tell that releasing different statements in Chinese and in other languages was extremely dumb. What were they even thinking? Of course it backfired.
They could have protected Coco instead of punishing her.
They should have made an official statement recognizing Taiwan and actually stand up for their talents.
Starting with a suspension let the Chinese fans know their bullying would work
Following up with a formal apology showed them where the weak points were
Putting Coco back on stream with no additional moderation support was an obvious bloodbath
And once the hate started rolling in, the company didn't just ignore it they created a fractured and internally hostile image that further attracted hatred.
They should have made a very simple statement that the analytics were from Google, blame Google, and promise Holo livers wouldn't look at their analytics on-stream again as it wasn't particularly good content anyway (being careful to emphasise that the reason being it wasn't interesting to avoid feeding the trolls). Then arrange an event of some kind to move past the issue - preferably with multiple talents to show a united front. There would be some trolls, and the company needed to provide support to filter them instead of leaving it up to unpaid jannies (and having a troll get added to cope with overflow) because that's the companies job.
Holo had to pull out of China anyway. That was likely always going to be true, and may have been true even if they played it all right, but they fed the hatred with a slow drip of success then wondered stupidly why it didn't fade away even after sacrificing one of their top earners to it. Without feeding the hate they might have been able to actually placate the Chinese market for a while until the next stupid little slight offended the terminally underendowed CCP stooges.
EDIT: This is easier to say in hindsight than it would be to see at the time. The biggest problem Holo had was that they clearly did not understand the Chinese market and thus could not anticipate the scale of the storm they found themselves in. They genuinely thought every small concession was a resolution, and not just a show of weakness that would be held against them.
It's easier to talk than to act, what you don't understand about Hololive's position at that time is, if they defend Coco, then they will be considered interfering in other countries' political problems.
If at that time Hololive had been as big as it is now, perhaps conditions would have been different. In the past, Hololive was still weak and didn't have much power..
@@Anon4859 I can see why Cover did what it did. Apologies worked in the previous 2 incidents, why wouldn't it work the 3rd time?
Surely if Hololive starts business in China again, Coco would be scrubbed off the website (and other social media) :clueless:
Why? She is popular in China
coco maybe popular with the people but with the government it is the opposite. Remember Chinese’s government has final say not people.
@@danh508 yea it's CCP, not CCYou, anyway, western taiwan will do something worse i feel this time, plus HL has been taming their content down so much, i was surprised to see all the funny, crude stuff they used to do that was unique and i remember loving also from VSJ's talents (they got me into Vtubing, so then going to hololive, it was like going from one set of rules for talents AND fans between each community - you could say PL stuff about VSJ THEN EVEN, only recently did people realize it only benefits companies and control over fan's telling other fan's off and doing 'thought-crime')
It won't just be CoCo scrubbed off the site, be much more than that - think of EN's first 2 wave's early days streams and just chat's, they said some greatly funny and fresh for HL stuff back then and had fun - you think CCP/western taiwan won't have a problem? Some of that stuff they maybe did or said in passing that CNers may suddenly take great offense to NOW randomly (as per usual), and this time we have no idea what to do? Cause they (cover) didn't back then and the CN's were ready to attack so hard they ruined lives.
All for CCP's mascot, Xinnie the pooh and the -glorious- gutter oil-using west taiwan
Ma'habre streets is so emotionally perfect with this.
Just goes to show how spite is a powerful motivator. The vpn to harass Coco on member's only streams made me pause for a moment.
Some CN anti able to snuck in as Coco mod banned all Coco super hatter caused massive hit to her mentally.
I hate how this story seems so far away (4 years now) but at the same time, it feels like it was yesterday. Just watch whatever the fck you want and don't harass people, if you don't like something a streamer said move to the next one it's not like there are few companies out there (VSPO, VEE, Project, Racoon, etc...) for you to enjoy vtubers.
Very good video. I see you've taken a page from IH videos and I'm all for it lol
中国人は犬を食べるので、FWMCも食べられてしまう
あの可愛い犬を守ってください
don't worry sir, only barbaric people in countryside is anyway eat dog and cat, i living in Qingdao for education academy here, i see only see here a good moral and civilied Chinese in major cities never have interisting on dog and cat (unfortunely they have many fake meats here....)
Japanese fans, Western fans, Indonesian fans, and good Chinese fans (including Taiwanese, Hongkongers, and Chinese outsiders like me) will protecting FWMC
Bruh 😂
I was there since day 1 saw her rise and fall still misses her to this day 😢
5:06 Karaoke stream when??????
Not the Fear and Hunger music lmao
As someone from Indonesia, I told this before: China is just too big of a market to ignore, plus a lot of games came from that country. I mean, my country has a lot of love and hate relationships with China and the West, but in the end, China is still our biggest trading partner. but it looks like Cover is just partially entering using certain members, and Hololive Indonesia it looks like Cover is being cautious right now, but I don't blame them if they try to push more Bilibili streams in the future.
The anger of the Chinese anytime anyone mentions Taiwan is so sad. I genuinely feel bad for how indoctrinated they are.
I don't think newer Hololive fans can't fully understand just how much this entire situation hurt the fandom
Yep, kinda remember that. It was really bad, but knowing what's going on right now I sometimes think that it's pretty much not the worst thing that happened back then, happens right now or gonna happen sooner or later
as Veteran of the spam comment war back in 2021, yeah
Yeah. I already feel like I've been a war veteran that has ptsd since the Taiwan incident
I was there 3000 years ago
@@semsot-the-fake It was the worst thing that happened. It showed how Cover/Hololive couldn't even protect their own members. An entire section of Hololive was closed over it and stayed closed for years, even after Coco's departure
Thank you for the coverege. I remember the Coco Incident, started with hololive around that time... who would have thought that Suisei was working on Bibbidiba for such a long time now.
Im fairly new to vtubers so this cleared up a lot because i knew something happened but i didnt know all the details so thank you for the great video! But this honestly makes me very upset to see that people can be so hateful over such a small thing
Are those Chinese "fans" what people usually refer to as "antis"
Bro the Fear and Hunger music
It was a surprise for sure
I think the worst part about the Coco situation was that many members of HoloCn were actively encouraging Coco’s harassment. Like it or not she was their coworker and one misunderstanding led them to encourage antis to harass someone like them. Not to mention antis using Aqua as propaganda to further promote attacking Coco. This is what got Nijisanji so much hate from fans because how do you justify attacking your employee/coworker because they want to be a proper entertainer not a slave?
What worries me about this is that China hasn’t gotten better as far as its attitude towards Japan goes. It’s gotten worse. All it will take is one small event for Chinese antis to go crazy again. Maybe not even an event that has anything to do with the company itself.
yeah, I don't think it's a good time to return and personally i don't wanna see this happen due to the things antis have done before.
As Chaucer had put it: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." In other words, if Cover breaks down again in China, there cannot be a third attempt.
Excellent work!
Kson has been going to a couple of Taiwan events these past few years, so she's expanding her fanbase there.
Gotta love the night runners reference
I will never forgive the Chinese antis, i miss her 🐉
it's all about the financial benefits in the end.
Look as long as Cover dosnt try to make a China branch again we are fine for now.
My Oshi 🐉. 🐢I cri every time.
Ah, yes, Kiryu Turtle.
@@deadlishaoran Dang, you're making fun of me because I'm a turtle? That's messed up man. 🐢
@@asingularturtle sorry, dude, didn't read your username.
Thought you mistype 🐉 for 🐢
@@deadlishaoran That's a good point.
I'll never forgive nor forget, and that is why I avoid THOSE talents.
Oh please bunny just, 🎶we don't talk about china na na na na, we don't talk about chinaaa...🎶
Song from: (we don't talk about Bruno)
the threat is coming from multiple directions, from the inside the chinese fans, the vtubers in china and outside from non fans in china.
the vtubers wants to guard their market/fans, so they will do something when JP competitors gets popular.
the non fans and some fans will do something, cause hololive is from JP.
i dont hate that, im not urging them to change, it's just the way it is, chinese market is like that.
i just hope COVER what they must to protect their talent for venturing into chinese market. and not throwing them under the bus when shit hit the fan.
Not gonna talk about fans who mad because their oshi got bully, but they will happily bully kobo because she stream on bli bli ?
Double standard, ID already used to it.
I bet these mf doesnt even watch ID members that much unless its a collab with their actually beloved EN/JP members
@@choirulfirman that would not fit the narrative and paint them as hypocrites, and that's a no no apparently
The problem is, Chinese market is largely fake because the limitation of how you can possibly getting money out of China is incredibly difficult. You basically need to use their platform because you can't use RUclips for it. International travel in case of offline collab will be tedious to schedule. Cover needs to found a new vtuber group that's not "hololive" to be able to possibly stay out of trouble.
ELIN SOUNDTRACK SPOTTED
Speaking of Kson stories, PLEASE cover the PLAYISM mess. That was a hilarious display of incompetence and bootlicking.
Edit: Ah, you mention it. Should've finished watching the video first.
The irony of this all is insane.
Did you know bunch of other HoloID's have streamed on Bili-bili? And they also did it with even the one who didnt have a dime about chinese language (Risu for example). From this information at least I know HoloID unique position made management(not talent) to actively push them into China market again.
Someone has been playing the Nightrunners Demo...
Remember Remember, the 24th of September. The Chinese, treasons, and plots.
I see no reason
Why Taiwan incident
Should ever be forgot
As a veteran in the trench, we shall see
Lmao china video and the first bgm is from star rail 💀
I remember the... weibo?... group that were still coco fans and talking nicely about her for a LONG time. Iirc, they thought it was exaggeration what the rest of HL fans were doing and it would only backfire.
That said. It's a bit disappointing, but hopefully they don't get married to China again. If this is how they act, then they are just a ticking time bomb.
Yep, that was an ugly history; and it still stings today.
Hmmh... Well, maybe we're at a point where everyone is tired with battling with each other and we should reconcilliate.
I'm all for reconciliation, but I know that some of us are all very ready to throw some negativity.
Let's not have a repeat of 2020 and this time, let's do this slowly.
I was there during all this shit that happen because a country got butthurt because of a word. Up until now, I'm not fond of fans from there. It makes us cautious whenever there's a fan from that country enters a livestream. And yeah old fans kinda triggered when new fans talk about wanting a chinese game or bilibili. And yeah, if you watch closely many of the members that had been there during Coco's time didn't really play chinese games. Better to be safe than sorry
I just wanted another Hololive collab since I joined Azur Lane after seeing the collab but I was too late. Apparently, I joined just right after the event and didn’t manage to get them.
With them being public wouldn't be surprised if Holo stops support the Indo branch lil by lil while starting the CN branch...
Gee I wonder why Holo Vtubers graduate a lot this year. Bing chilling.
Shoutout to ID girls for being a frontline tanking all dmg, SEA does built different
Kobo wasn't the big hit in Bilibili.
It is Neuro sama got huge success on Bilibili.
Would be a great day if Evil out of the blue mentions "Tiananmen Plaza June 4th, 1989".
So did DN censor the Taiwanese flag from one of the slides, or was it censored by the source? Just found it amusingly ironic considering the topic. Unfortunately, as long as Taiwan remains a free nation, this is going to continue being a solid wall between China and pretty much every non-Chinese company and fandom.
Wrong way around. So long as mainland 2nd-rate China keeps being a bastion of slavers and their victims, the sperg-outs will never end. Hololive made a huge mistake going public, and an equally big one going back to that miserable place.
And this is why Chinese users (minus those from Taiwan and Hong Kong) are blocked from buying anything from the Hololive online store.
I was there when the war happens... we fought and win, with a sarcrifice... seeing id girls came back its hard to hate, i will protect them again if history repeats it self, mark my words.
Why did coco did it right after her? Was it to split the hate?
Wow 25 minutes of milking a topic once again, at least you should have the balls to pin the comment that explains their "return" to billibilli more accurately instead of doomposting and clickbaiting
DN singing BIBBIDIBA was NOT on my 2024 bingo card
Smart business folk don't touch the chinese market with a ten foot pole.
i could see the china branch re-opening but operating under unique rules, or they make a latin branch in the near future. sadly the one i dont see happening ever is a korean branch given there anti-anonymity laws. =/
If the branches of Hololive have the same set of role like the common vtuber gens do, then I would say JP is the leader, EN is the powerhouse and ID is the heart of Hololive as a whole
Thus it make sense why Cover seems to be the most lenient towards ID and stricter to the others. Yagoo once said that he wanted the ID branch to be the bridge for all of the branches to interact, but that's not to say that they're incapable of pulling similar feats outside of Holo, and so there they have it. Gotta admit them actually trying to bridge back Holo fandom with CN audience was not on my bingo card tho
nice
I don't blame Hololive for returning to China in the way they did. If they debut a new wave of Hololive China, that's where it gets interesting. In the current state, pulling back out of China is much easier than it was when they had a Chinese branch.
After listing all the actual facts that will make me worry about china you say maybe things might get better which is not very convincing
Never forget never forgive then again ID girls just build different because in ID we have diversity and really have a great tolerance.
are those chinese trolls just organic individuals? why would they be so motivated? are they government sponsored? why would ccp do such a counterproductive thing? over what, just a throw away line from a vtuber?
You are based for using Night Runners as a gig for this vid 4:00
I wonder why cover hasn't tried using holostars to expand into china
As an Azurlane player. I can tell that i only discovered Hololive tru it's AL collab.
Well, holo definitely wont be making that mistake now.
Never forgive and never forget.
I'm still pissed at how you called Ame talentless in your video title, you're an idiot for saying that.
Don't sell the talent's personal information, and don't make false self-graduation then come back because the money is too good.
Yagoo should do Hololive Taiwan
Eventually Hololive will return there.
I only need one more proof. Once Everyone can play Chinese games again. That's gonna cement it.
Possible it return in exchange if any our favorite Oshi graduated
Bruh they're already playing Chinese games, there's honor of kings, genshin impact, pubg, & league of legend😅
@@standforrover they don't have perms for any mihoyo games. Other than those yes they've been playing Chinese games, Black Myth Wukong for example.
@cucumbermainline on this video Kobo on Bili was playing & has been playing Genshin tho. ID girls stream some Chinese-made games on Bili
@@standforrover selected members only not everyone...not yet. To be honest I never cared about it. So tell me who are the members who can play Chinese games so far. I stopped at Kobo since she's the test guinea pig of Cover. Are there anyone else?
In BiliBili and not YT
Being a Hololive fan myself, I'm still having a bad feeling about Hololive going back to China, since even 4 years after the incident and after Coco graduated, China still isn't being kind to Hololive (Fuck those Chinese antis frfr)
However this isn't to say that there are no Chinese Hololive fans, As DN pointed out in a previous video that there are some Chinese fans that love Coco, hell there are even some Chinese Hololive fans (I'm not sure if I can call em that but yea they still are) that only hate Coco. Personally, if Hololive decides to promote in China again I don't mind, since I wouldn't want actual Chinese Hololive fans to feel left out
I just hope Cover learned their lessons and knows how to protect their talents, because goddamn we don't want another incident like Coco's to happen again 💀
I want the song of Suisei comeback 😤☄
From what I know, most of the Hololive *fans* on Bilibili either moved on to someone else or just stopped talking about it. But none spoke up, as that was a sure fire way of getting cancelled by the rest of the platform. Even nowadays there's no fan who would speak of the incident.
Speaking as a Chinese viewer myself, I'm glad to know Hololive is making a return to China. Finally I can see Holomem playing Chinese games.