This might actually be THE BEST theory I've ever come up with. Check out how I explain the two different timelines in God of War: ruclips.net/video/ROOqCCKrEtY/видео.html
an idea came up o my mind i dont know if someone has already said it but.....quess who else had white eyes mayde their a connection overthere i would love to see it on a futere video!! and also know somehow that you read my comment and thought adout it :)
Wouldn't he have needed that black egg lookin' thing from Tyr's vault? You know, the thing that protected Kratos and Atreus when they jumped off the world tree?
One more thing that may add to your theory, When "Tyr" talks to Atreus, he says that the afterlife where laufey went to was guarded by forces and an entity far older than Odin.
Interesting theory. I do agree that Gram was the giant wolf, Hróðvitnir, but I think the Giants are the ones that stole Hróðvitnir's soul, not the Demiurge. Why do I think this? We must remember that Mimir called Hróðvitnir "a great nemesis of the Aesir gods." The only way the Aesir could Hróðvitnir at bay was to kidnap and imprison his pups, Skoll and Hati, which tells me that not even Thor, the slayer of Giants, was a match for the arch wolf. So, when the Giants decide to leave Midgard for Jotunheim, they probably asked Hróðvitnir to join them, but the wolf giant was having none of it and wanted to continue to be the bane of the Aesir. But the Giants couldn't let Hróðvitnir go because of his power to travel between realms. They probably feared that should Odin and Aesir capture Hróðvitnir, they could force him to open a path to Jotunhiem. So, they whispered Hróðvitnir's soul from his body; hoping that the wolf would be harmless like the soulless animals we see in Ironwood. But instead, they created Gram, a soulless beast that jeopardized the nine realms, if not all of reality. At least until Tyr trapped him in Helhiem. But one must ask why would Hróðvitnir want to continue to fight the Aesir if it jeopardized the safety of the Giants. The answer is simple: Revenge. I believe that Hróðvitnir was the loyal companion of Ymir, the primordial being of Norse Mythology. Together, using Hróðvitnir's power to open paths to over places, traveled in search of knowledge to help create a better pantheon. But then, Odin came along and killed Ymir; using his body to create Midgard. This could explain why Gram, whom I suspect was still Hróðvitnir at the time, ate a part of Midgard and the 5th season. It wasn't becasue he was very hungry, but to damage what Odin created and piss him off. Also, by being the loyal companion of Ymir, it also helps explain why the mask reacted Hróðvitnir, now Gram. Because the mask once belonged to Ymir, who used the mask to see into the rift and gain knowledge. All in an effort to be better then those that came before, only for Odin to mess things up. I will admit that there is little to no evidence to support this theory, but I was an idea I've had for a while and felt it was worth share. What do you think.
The Giant who took his sole is most likely Angraboda’s Grandmother, who also took Jormungandr’s original snake soul, both animal bodies play a critical piece in Ragnarok and the (apparently inevitable) resurgence of the Giants.
Fun fact in ancient Scandinavia there was 13 months and Nine days and 5 seasons (the reason for nine days if mentioned a few times such as Drupnir dropping 8 normal gold copies of itself on the ninth day). Probably where they got the idea that Garm ate the 5th season this leaving 12 months and 6 days in Old Norse (Viking age, and yes before the Vikings there was the Drengr, though if a Drengr does and doesn't go to Valhalla or Helheim he would come back as a Draugr, funny enough only magic or magical weapons plus fire can kill a Draugr...or lightning if you are Thör. Btw the first 6 days of the week are all Norse, Sunday or Sol's Day (Sol meaning sun), Monday or Manny's day (Manny being the Moon, so moon day aka Monday), Tuesday is Tyr's day, Wednesday is Wöden's day aka Odin's Day, Thursday is Thör's day, Friday is Frigg's day. Saturday is Taken by the Roman God of Time Saturn, so Saturn's day.
Yes! In English! In Spanish it’s different. I have a question, maybe you know better. I have read Friday is Frejya’s day. I have also read Frigg’s day as you mentioned. Is there any conclusive evidence that it’s one or the other?
As someone who has paid far too much money to get a degree in this. Modern day "Christian" society pulls heavy from paganism in general, Christmas/winter solstice, Easter/springaard etc.etc. but breaking down Frigg VS. Freya, neither frigg nor Freya are her name. This is a theme with Freyas brother who only is called freyr because of his godlyhood. Freya and freyr are vanir terms for lord and lady, Freyas name was lost to time but Yngvi is the oldest name recorded for Freyr. Frigg is similar, it's a title or status within the Aesir like "all father" as aldafoor. 🤷♀️ history loses a lot tho especially with Christian manipulations over the years but depending on the story of Freya u perceive whether she was aesir or vanir, changes the story entirely. Nonetheless neither are her name Friday comes from frigg, the highest ranking godess known for fertility!
I thought the mask reacted because it was simply the correct coordinate of space, but the wrong realm, yet close enough in frequency for the mask to react anyway
Ok, but this is the reason, why the mask stopped reacting once Garm was free and ran away ? Shouldn't the mask still glow but there is nothing to find if it was the correct place but in the wrong realm as you say ?
Maybe Garm was originally Fenrir, but Fen’s soul was taken from his real body into that of a soulless wolf that was without a soul for so long it was doomed to die anyway. It would explain how Fenrir can so easily use Garm’s powers.
Tiny detail I didnt notice 1st time through... when the soul comes out of fenrir, there are 4 white orbs, as they pass the knife, 3 remain and float off. Neat little detail.
@@zelashizzz1278 That right there calls out to what we learn later about Brock how Sindri was only able to recover 3 pieces of his soul instead of all 4. Something also of note. After Ragnarok in North mythology the new world is born and there are 3 after lives. Heaven which is reserved for truly good and noble people and leaders among men. Hel, still with 1L, but its nature has changed from being ice and cold to poison and darkness. And it is where all the sinful evil repugnant and murderous backstabbing people go when they die, And while they are there Nidhogg feeds upon their blood The final after life, get this, Is where all normal people go when they die those that never achieved great deeds or leadership over men or performed a massively good deed. But at the same time we're never evil these are where normal people go when they pass on. And they are called the red gold halls of......Sindri.....
Once i heard how tyr let garm bite his arm off to trap him, i became convinced that what the mask responding too. tyr travelled the realms and was exposed the higher plain so the mask was pointing to the arm still in garms guts.
It is more credible to think that the mask was attracted to Garm's presence for the simple fact that Garm is a creature that can alter reality, and of course the mask is linked to reality itself so... yep.
I defiantly believe Athena came to the Norse realms. If you fight all the travelers the lore says they were visited by a “blind visitor” that told them to explore the realms and they would be rewarded.
But he’s in hel,he’s dead he most likely under some sorta power from the hel bird herself keeping him alive without his soul just under her will if that makes sense lol
He didn't have a soul, but that does bring up a good point. What's the difference between Garm and the animals in Ironwood? There seems to be something different about soulless beings in Hel. They simply revive after death, but it's more of a reanimation than a rebirth; and it must have something to do with the beings who are assigned to exist there. Giving them a soul changes them into the identity of the soul. That's how Jormungandr was born, because before the soul was placed into the body of snake, he was an actual giant.
@@Kay_The_Coffee_Weirdo how do we know that garm had no soul? Its never actually stated that he didnt have a soul, is it? Could just be the theory is incorrect. Or could be correct. Thats the whole point of a theory. However we cant just say every theory is fact. Maybe he had one maybe he didnt. To tell u the truth. Who cares? He has one now. Right? Love bro
I mean, the game kinda implies says garm has no soul, its how he kept coming back to "life", plus the eyes and being able to fenrir inside of him. but I'm just confused why garm can move, while the animals in ironwood who lost their souls are basically in a coma. Guess its more a question for SSM, but its just another lose end. This was an amazing game, but has way to many lose ends for my liking.
The Demiurge is nonsense. God is good and just. Gnosticism also downplays the sacrifice of Jesus by saying that he was only in spirit form while on Earth and was never crucified.
Ooooohkay i get what ur saying now. Adbay again with another Ragnarok discovery. Great job bro! Btw I prove odin is alive in my latest video. Let me kno what u think.
Hes saying nothing. This is not accurate at all. The game never says having white eyes means no soul. Finrear didnt have eyes after atreus took his soul.
If the demiurge theory was true then would that he be the final boss of the gow series? Like imagine the demiurge having an army and kratos is teaming up with gods from different pantheons including Jesus and the monad
In some poems Garm & Fenrir are the same beast (hyperthettically) another name for Fenrir is also called Hróđvitnir (which in the GoW lore is a separate beast & the father of Sköll & Hati) so there was some creative liberties taken here. Now this could be the incredibly roundabout theory of yours where Hróđvitnir became Garm who became Fenrir OR all 3 wolves are separate entities & this is a case of character de-stinction. Hróđvitnir is father of Sköll & Hati (with them kidnapped by Asgard in order to keep him from attacking & the giants later freeing them from imprisonment. He is most likley now dead or missing like the rest of his kin), Garm was given the rest of Fenrir's more evil aspects while keeping the lore of being the Hel-hound. Fenrir is a normal wolf who becomes the wolf of legend & Loki's "son" through his rebirth in Garm's body.
Great theory , I can even had to this so here is some free content , Corry stated that Athena death was one of the most important things that happen because it was the first selfless death of a god and so she entered an higher state of existing , on her death her body dematerialized into particles of green energy and the mask has exactly the same energy colour to it but there is only one other god that had a very similar death and his body also dematerialized in a very similar way but with blue energy and that god was Thor, no other god had this happen to them not even Baldur, perhaps Thor was blue because he is a norths god or something else.
I saw another video about this a few days ago, they came to most of the same conclusions, only thing they had different was the reason for *why* the Demiurge would have done it. I don't remember the full details, but they actually believe that when we saw Athena in GoW 3, it wasn't Athena, but the Demiurge disguised as her. I don't remember much on what they said about recruiting Garm to search for the mask, but I remember them saying it was a failure, leading them to try a different approach with Odin by promising infinite knowledge. I'm not sure how much I agree with the Athena part, as she is in GoW 4 briefly and I don't think she'd stick around Kratos after failing to use him if she was actually the Demiurge in disguise, but I also see parts that make sense. It's definitely interesting.
What I want to know now is, was that actually Athena in the doorway in the last God of War game when kratos went to retrieve the blades of chaos, or was it just her in his head? I mean that game led me to believe like he was hallucinating, but what if he wasn't what if she actually was there?.....
@@HighmageDerin Then Mimir would have seen her to begin with, or heard her at the very least, but he didn't. He only knew Kratos saw Athena once Kratos spoke her name. If only Kratos saw and heard her then it's unlikely she was actually there beyond being in Kratos' mind. Edit: plus as Barry said, they've already confirmed she was only in his mind in that scene, so there is no reason to wonder, it's already been straight up stated.
I know the video is based off of the game and the mythology done in the way Santa Monica portrayed it, but Garm was actually another monstrous canine, he wasn't a wolf, but he was to Hela as a sense of guard for Helheim, like a hellhound persay, but your theory on the lore of the game does actually makes sense, because I was thrown off seeing a normal sized Fenrir that was dying, and how Mimir shared the binding of Garm being the same as the Binding of Fenrir
correct me if I'm wrong but I think the 4 soul part you just said has a different distinction from one another, the only part that got into the knife is the mind part of the soul, in case you were wondering the other 3 is form, direction and luck. Understanding this could help you learn the situation of brok, because he had only 3 parts of his soul. Also I think the parts of the soul should be scattered in the realms if we based on how sindri retrieved parts of the soul. I'm not sure on this one though.
So demiurge took Hróđvitnir's soul and the body became Garm. But Where did Fenrir come from? You don't explain it. demiurge took Hróđvitnir's soul and put it in a random wolf? edit : without answer, i downvote
The part of Fenrir's soul that went into the knife was its Direction, the part of the soul that guides the other 3. The other 3 parts of soul did not go to Alfheim light! They went to Garm's body, guided by the Direction part from Atreus's knife!
for me there are 2 wolves living in the same time and maybe just like the serpent he can go back in time and so he is both in the past and in the future together with the fenrir cub and Skoll and Hati that in the future we will be able to see some dialogue or see the origin of these wolves... of Garm/Fenrir and the Hrodviltnir Wolf that is out there and it still hasn't appeared or been mentioned but the theory that both are the same thing makes sense that Garm is Horodviltnir before he dies and goes to Hell and there is also the thing about the kraken that is missing and not even appears and I think the kraken is that octopus from Durlin... interesting theory and I like your theory make a video about this mysterious wolf and the kraken and how they might appear in the future🤔😮😁✌Like and bye!
If it wasn't really Athena in Kratos' home in 2018 and the creators have already confirmed this then I think it at the very least hints that the higher plane story(which I think WILL happen at some point) may not be the answer for the mask and rift. I still and will continue to maintain this is totally a Harry Potter and Prisoner of Azkeban setup. We stoll don't know who blew the horn in 2018 and if it was Angrboda why wouldn't she just let that factoid drop at some point? She would have no reason to not tell Loki. I think Loki will at some point arrive at a time turner scenario where he realizes he set everything up, for things to play out the way they did in Ragnarok. He would know all the pertinent timing and events to a T. Also I mean I'd like to hope that in terms of creative story telling that the missing link ISNT "THESE 3 THINGS ALL SHARE THE SAME COLOR SO THATS THE ANSWER" Kind of a lame story element imo.
The mask is probably alot older than Athenas spirit would be. There is probably no way she could be the one to create it, then spread it across Norse realms for no reason.
It's a very interesting theory while all we can do is speculate, but (and i might be totally wrong) i think it's very unlikely that the Christian community is gonna allow a game company to put Jesus in a game like god of war, they would probably set every videogame store on fire if that happened XD
one thing i noticed tho, Fen's soul has 4 parts of it, three of them went to Alfheim, while one remained in Atreus's knife.... (SPOLIER ALERT) wouldn't Fenrir suffer the same fate as Brok? because Fenrir's soul isn't complete at least to my understanding, if he dies again, then he is forever gone just like Brok....
what if the other 3 parts of finrir's soul are in different parts of the nine realms and one of the quests in the next GOW will be to find the 3 remaining pieces and return them back to him? i feel like there will definitely be more of this story to come...
interactions between atreus and thor implies odin knows the wolf is chained and wants to keep it that way meaning odin may have put him there to begin with
@@abdbay i just hate the fact that games like GoW need around 5 years each and if we consider the amount of info about the plain of existence we got on Ragnarok... i just hope i'm able to play video games at the age of 80 and more...
A version of mythology where all the different pantheons are just different races of beings from different realms and a higher plane of existence being the realm of omniscient good and evil creators? The next God of War is surely going to take things to the next level.
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is when Atreus says he can't feel the animal and Angraboda explains to him. There's nothing to feel because he doesn't have a soul. But when he gets to hel and you're actually untying garm he's saying he can feel garm. But if garm doesn't have a soul like the other animal, how can he feel garm but not the other animal with Angroboda?
I may have to watch this a couple times you lost me during the Middle when you're talking about the three wolves is there some kind of time-travel shenanigans
There's nothing that states or even implies that fenrir dies due to fimbulwinter. He was just sick. If it was caused by fimbulwinter, then by that logic speki and svana (I think those are the names) wouldn't have been well either, meaning kratos and atreus wouldn't have a sled in Midgard. It's so stupid when content creators treat their own headcanon as fact
I think he got it twisted up with Fenrir, because garm becomes Fenrir after his soul is put into Garm's body, afyer he died at the beginning of the game.
you make some good theories you should make god of war what if's like what if ares took kratos instead or what if zeus didnt destroy all of kratos godly weapons during the final battle in god of war 3
@@Whatsabird guess you could argue it’s Lokis mask since he’s the one who pieced it together and has some connection to it to have been able to find it, put it together and wear it. He sent it into the rift which is reasonable to think it wound up in our realm where it fell into Jim Carry’s hands 🤷♂️.
The Fenrir at the beginning of the game is a normal wolf that Atreus adopted and named Fenrir. That random wolf Atreus adopted is the original, first ever Fenrir.
@@michamatyjewiczalkis284 They are but they aren’t. First Hrodvitnir existed as the giant wolf and the father of Skoll and Hati, then Hrodvitnir’s soul was taken away and the wolf became soulless Garm, then Atreus put the soul of his deceased adopted wolf, Fenrir, into Garm and so Garm became Fenrir like how we see in the game. Does that make sense?
Hey bro ily sm and I appreciate ur content a lot and makes me happy when I see it but can you please change that intro cause it’s a bit cringe af 😭😭kratos deserves a more hyped up intro than that dont u think
Bro very little Dad of War follows Norse mythology. Fenrir, Jourmungndr and a few others were the children of Loki and Angraboda. Both of which have not fucked or had kids in Dad of War. So Fenrir being born after Skal and Hati doesn't matter.
Why is nobody connecting this game to jim carrey's "the mask"?. I mean, there's no connection, but it's the only other time loki has been connected to a mask
I still think Kratos is weak AF because every time I see him in his rage or Omega form it's doing zero damage or nothing to be excited about I have it powered up to level three and still does nothing to ads bosses or mid bosses even sub boxes very underwhelming it has nothing to do with this video
Had to stop the video a minute in. The guy seems to think the norse mythology in game is a one to one to norse mythology IRL, attempting to make sense of certain things when their two canons are separate. If certain characters and events from IRL my this haven’t been adapted into the GOW version you can just plug in IRL and pretend like it’s GOW fact for the sake of a video
You keep quoting gnosticism and the demiurge but you fail to address that if this is the case then CHRISTIANITY IS REAL IN THE GOD OF WAR UNIVERSE. You're missing the forest for the trees here mate.
@@abdbay Like the reason why the mask reacted, or that garm had no soul before. There are a few other comments which point out the same or other problems. just got the feeling this is more about making content than an actual theory that makes sense or solves a problem in the story. I mean it's fine, because it's just for fun anyway, but i don't get it. Pls don't take it the wrong way, just wanted to give some feedback :)
@@luke-vu4cu My theory is that the mask reacts to anything that is associated with the Demiurge and the higher plane of existence. The Demiurge is the one who took away Garm’s soul and influenced him to make the rift in Odin’s basement, and that is why the mask reacted to Garm. The mask was reacting to Garm’s powers. Garm has no soul because the Demiurge took it from him. When Garm had a soul he was known as Hrodvitnir. The Demiurge took away Garm’s soul so that the wolf would start wildly creating rifts until it eventually created one to the higher realm of existence. The Demiurge needed Garm to create the rift for him because he was kicked out of the higher realm of existence and was looking for a way to get back in. I make theories cuz it’s fun and the reason I made this channel is because I just didn’t want to throw things out there aimlessly.
Gonna be honest, I'm a christian and I love God of War, but I'm gonna be disappointed at Santa Monica if they use Jesus in the lore. That's a line I don't want them to cross EVER.
@@megawarrior_101 don’t you dare apologize. You did nothing wrong. I gaslighted you, cuz you were right. I fixed the thumbnail and changed the spelling. Thanks for commenting. ❤️
This might actually be THE BEST theory I've ever come up with. Check out how I explain the two different timelines in God of War: ruclips.net/video/ROOqCCKrEtY/видео.html
an idea came up o my mind i dont know if someone has already said it but.....quess who else had white eyes mayde their a connection overthere i would love to see it on a futere video!! and also know somehow that you read my comment and thought adout it
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Click bait bullshit.
Its funny to think that odin could have gotten more knowledge and purpose if he traveled outside of the Norse realms.
He seemingly couldn’t for some reason. Mimir said something similar
Interesting. Perhaps being the Big Boss ment that he couldn't risk losing his power and Position by leaving.
Wouldn't he have needed that black egg lookin' thing from Tyr's vault? You know, the thing that protected Kratos and Atreus when they jumped off the world tree?
@@qrowingno, he used his ravens to travel
he couldnt. Tyr alone possessed the ability via his vault artifact. he hid it from odin to keep him from unleashing megalomania from other lands
One more thing that may add to your theory, When "Tyr" talks to Atreus, he says that the afterlife where laufey went to was guarded by forces and an entity far older than Odin.
Which is interesting because we know explicitly that Laufey went to the Light of Alfheim.
And Odin was also extremely curious as to what was in there (whilst acting as Tyr in Alfheim) like it was super important. Hinting at something???
Interesting theory. I do agree that Gram was the giant wolf, Hróðvitnir, but I think the Giants are the ones that stole Hróðvitnir's soul, not the Demiurge. Why do I think this? We must remember that Mimir called Hróðvitnir "a great nemesis of the Aesir gods." The only way the Aesir could Hróðvitnir at bay was to kidnap and imprison his pups, Skoll and Hati, which tells me that not even Thor, the slayer of Giants, was a match for the arch wolf. So, when the Giants decide to leave Midgard for Jotunheim, they probably asked Hróðvitnir to join them, but the wolf giant was having none of it and wanted to continue to be the bane of the Aesir. But the Giants couldn't let Hróðvitnir go because of his power to travel between realms. They probably feared that should Odin and Aesir capture Hróðvitnir, they could force him to open a path to Jotunhiem. So, they whispered Hróðvitnir's soul from his body; hoping that the wolf would be harmless like the soulless animals we see in Ironwood. But instead, they created Gram, a soulless beast that jeopardized the nine realms, if not all of reality. At least until Tyr trapped him in Helhiem. But one must ask why would Hróðvitnir want to continue to fight the Aesir if it jeopardized the safety of the Giants. The answer is simple: Revenge. I believe that Hróðvitnir was the loyal companion of Ymir, the primordial being of Norse Mythology. Together, using Hróðvitnir's power to open paths to over places, traveled in search of knowledge to help create a better pantheon. But then, Odin came along and killed Ymir; using his body to create Midgard. This could explain why Gram, whom I suspect was still Hróðvitnir at the time, ate a part of Midgard and the 5th season. It wasn't becasue he was very hungry, but to damage what Odin created and piss him off. Also, by being the loyal companion of Ymir, it also helps explain why the mask reacted Hróðvitnir, now Gram. Because the mask once belonged to Ymir, who used the mask to see into the rift and gain knowledge. All in an effort to be better then those that came before, only for Odin to mess things up. I will admit that there is little to no evidence to support this theory, but I was an idea I've had for a while and felt it was worth share. What do you think.
Garm?
@@lifeonlockdown7818 Okay. So, I misspelled Garm's name. Whoops.
Worth sharing. Your write up made more sense than the video tbh
Well done. This makes a lot of sense.
The Giant who took his sole is most likely Angraboda’s Grandmother, who also took Jormungandr’s original snake soul, both animal bodies play a critical piece in Ragnarok and the (apparently inevitable) resurgence of the Giants.
Fun fact in ancient Scandinavia there was 13 months and Nine days and 5 seasons (the reason for nine days if mentioned a few times such as Drupnir dropping 8 normal gold copies of itself on the ninth day).
Probably where they got the idea that Garm ate the 5th season this leaving 12 months and 6 days in Old Norse (Viking age, and yes before the Vikings there was the Drengr, though if a Drengr does and doesn't go to Valhalla or Helheim he would come back as a Draugr, funny enough only magic or magical weapons plus fire can kill a Draugr...or lightning if you are Thör.
Btw the first 6 days of the week are all Norse, Sunday or Sol's Day (Sol meaning sun), Monday or Manny's day (Manny being the Moon, so moon day aka Monday), Tuesday is Tyr's day, Wednesday is Wöden's day aka Odin's Day, Thursday is Thör's day, Friday is Frigg's day.
Saturday is Taken by the Roman God of Time Saturn, so Saturn's day.
Yes! In English! In Spanish it’s different.
I have a question, maybe you know better. I have read Friday is Frejya’s day. I have also read Frigg’s day as you mentioned. Is there any conclusive evidence that it’s one or the other?
@@TITANICLUSITANIA freya is frigg. thats one of her nicknames
@@boundbyhonor8382 that depends on the interpretation and period of the religion
some have them as separate gods
@@jonasholm2408 we are talking about in the GOW series.
As someone who has paid far too much money to get a degree in this. Modern day "Christian" society pulls heavy from paganism in general, Christmas/winter solstice, Easter/springaard etc.etc. but breaking down Frigg VS. Freya, neither frigg nor Freya are her name. This is a theme with Freyas brother who only is called freyr because of his godlyhood. Freya and freyr are vanir terms for lord and lady, Freyas name was lost to time but Yngvi is the oldest name recorded for Freyr. Frigg is similar, it's a title or status within the Aesir like "all father" as aldafoor.
🤷♀️ history loses a lot tho especially with Christian manipulations over the years but depending on the story of Freya u perceive whether she was aesir or vanir, changes the story entirely. Nonetheless neither are her name Friday comes from frigg, the highest ranking godess known for fertility!
I thought the mask reacted because it was simply the correct coordinate of space, but the wrong realm, yet close enough in frequency for the mask to react anyway
Your right. This kid is just making up random things atp.
Your right! Mimir and freya have established this
Ok, but this is the reason, why the mask stopped reacting once Garm was free and ran away ? Shouldn't the mask still glow but there is nothing to find if it was the correct place but in the wrong realm as you say ?
then the mask would still glow once garm runs away wouldn’t it
I just thought before we found it in Niflheim. Garm ate it or something.
Maybe Garm was originally Fenrir, but Fen’s soul was taken from his real body into that of a soulless wolf that was without a soul for so long it was doomed to die anyway. It would explain how Fenrir can so easily use Garm’s powers.
2:01 but angerboda never taught loki how to take a soul bc he did it to finrer before he even knew her. Right?
That's true; In the beginning of the game, Loki accidentally took Fenrir's soul and it was placed in his knife.
Tiny detail I didnt notice 1st time through... when the soul comes out of fenrir, there are 4 white orbs, as they pass the knife, 3 remain and float off. Neat little detail.
@@zelashizzz1278 That right there calls out to what we learn later about Brock how Sindri was only able to recover 3 pieces of his soul instead of all 4. Something also of note. After Ragnarok in North mythology the new world is born and there are 3 after lives. Heaven which is reserved for truly good and noble people and leaders among men. Hel, still with 1L, but its nature has changed from being ice and cold to poison and darkness. And it is where all the sinful evil repugnant and murderous backstabbing people go when they die, And while they are there Nidhogg feeds upon their blood The final after life, get this, Is where all normal people go when they die those that never achieved great deeds or leadership over men or performed a massively good deed. But at the same time we're never evil these are where normal people go when they pass on. And they are called the red gold halls of......Sindri.....
@@HighmageDerin
legit would not be surprised if he "builds" a place for Brok to have an afterlife, and that is it 💀
The Opening Music Goes Well With Young Kratos Bald Head🤣🤣💯
Kratos said DO YA THANGGGGGGGG WHATS MY NAMEEEEEEE (WHILE HES ANGRY WITH BALDHEAD AND YOUNG)
Once i heard how tyr let garm bite his arm off to trap him, i became convinced that what the mask responding too. tyr travelled the realms and was exposed the higher plain so the mask was pointing to the arm still in garms guts.
I'm sure his acids would've devoured it long ago. If his arm can get bitten off, so can the acids destroy the arm.
worst theory I ever heard, sorry
@@kishgo Could have gotten a piece of arm stuck between his teeth? No acid there!
It is more credible to think that the mask was attracted to Garm's presence for the simple fact that Garm is a creature that can alter reality, and of course the mask is linked to reality itself so... yep.
I defiantly believe Athena came to the Norse realms. If you fight all the travelers the lore says they were visited by a “blind visitor” that told them to explore the realms and they would be rewarded.
The blind visitor is Odin
Love you how manage to make the story of god of war that much more interesting
Thank you for your support
You call this interesting? This is a reach from hellhim
Cooking with kratos proved odin is still alive and has tricked us all!!
@Cookingwithkratos what do u think of this video?
I saw that video the other day. Santa monica really has out done themselves.
AbdBay : filling plot hole and connecting the dots
santa monica studio: i dont think that far, but thanks for filling the hole
Garm had a soul tho didnt he? Bc angerbora says the animals didnt have a soul they couldn't eat so she had to remind them
But he’s in hel,he’s dead he most likely under some sorta power from the hel bird herself keeping him alive without his soul just under her will if that makes sense lol
That’s Just my guess
He didn't have a soul, but that does bring up a good point.
What's the difference between Garm and the animals in Ironwood?
There seems to be something different about soulless beings in Hel. They simply revive after death, but it's more of a reanimation than a rebirth; and it must have something to do with the beings who are assigned to exist there. Giving them a soul changes them into the identity of the soul.
That's how Jormungandr was born, because before the soul was placed into the body of snake, he was an actual giant.
@@tjgray395 or could just be this theory is not correct. 🤷
@@Kay_The_Coffee_Weirdo how do we know that garm had no soul? Its never actually stated that he didnt have a soul, is it? Could just be the theory is incorrect. Or could be correct. Thats the whole point of a theory. However we cant just say every theory is fact. Maybe he had one maybe he didnt. To tell u the truth. Who cares? He has one now. Right? Love bro
How come garm was active though. The other souless monster would just stand there, like a lamp or chair or something.
Right. And mimir did say that garm bit tyrs arm off. Right here:
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Bc this guy is just making up random bs atp.
I mean, the game kinda implies says garm has no soul, its how he kept coming back to "life", plus the eyes and being able to fenrir inside of him. but I'm just confused why garm can move, while the animals in ironwood who lost their souls are basically in a coma.
Guess its more a question for SSM, but its just another lose end. This was an amazing game, but has way to many lose ends for my liking.
Have you heard of the lich? They’re undead too but also active one whenever
i guess it's because garm is only missing part of his soul, while the other soulless beings had no part and therefore dead
AbdBay's answer to everything: The Demiurge!
That's gnostics for you jk it's an interesting idea.
@@sykune no... "That's fimble winter for ya"
The Demiurge is nonsense. God is good and just. Gnosticism also downplays the sacrifice of Jesus by saying that he was only in spirit form while on Earth and was never crucified.
Whenever I hear demiurge I think Overlord.....
Ahahaha
Ooooohkay i get what ur saying now.
Adbay again with another Ragnarok discovery. Great job bro! Btw I prove odin is alive in my latest video. Let me kno what u think.
Hes saying nothing. This is not accurate at all. The game never says having white eyes means no soul. Finrear didnt have eyes after atreus took his soul.
Homie, the game literally depicts animals with no soul to have white eyes. Like the bull Angroboda feeds in ironwood.
Hey, cookingwithkratos, it's nice to see you here. I'll check out your video when I get the chance :)
Dude, your intro is one of my favorites of all the youtubers.
Glad you like it!
The writers watching this video: "Haha... Yeah... You figured it out!... Good job... *Nervous laughter*" 🤣
"Finally revealed | god of war Theory"
Deal with it 😴
so after all the demiorge is who is leading odin into madness and killing ymir and the giants , +intresting theorie bro
pretty much, +thanks, bro
If the demiurge theory was true then would that he be the final boss of the gow series? Like imagine the demiurge having an army and kratos is teaming up with gods from different pantheons including Jesus and the monad
A really REALLY good theory but... weren`t the giants the only ones that could remove souls?
ruclips.net/video/R1I0MX3EK2w/видео.html
In some poems Garm & Fenrir are the same beast (hyperthettically) another name for Fenrir is also called Hróđvitnir (which in the GoW lore is a separate beast & the father of Sköll & Hati) so there was some creative liberties taken here.
Now this could be the incredibly roundabout theory of yours where Hróđvitnir became Garm who became Fenrir OR all 3 wolves are separate entities & this is a case of character de-stinction. Hróđvitnir is father of Sköll & Hati (with them kidnapped by Asgard in order to keep him from attacking & the giants later freeing them from imprisonment. He is most likley now dead or missing like the rest of his kin), Garm was given the rest of Fenrir's more evil aspects while keeping the lore of being the Hel-hound. Fenrir is a normal wolf who becomes the wolf of legend & Loki's "son" through his rebirth in Garm's body.
Great theory , I can even had to this so here is some free content , Corry stated that Athena death was one of the most important things that happen because it was the first selfless death of a god and so she entered an higher state of existing , on her death her body dematerialized into particles of green energy and the mask has exactly the same energy colour to it but there is only one other god that had a very similar death and his body also dematerialized in a very similar way but with blue energy and that god was Thor, no other god had this happen to them not even Baldur, perhaps Thor was blue because he is a norths god or something else.
Wow I didn't even notice that shit at the time. Good work catching that subtle ass action.
Please work please work please work! Atreus delivered that moment so well.
I think the rift is thus Santa Monico studios
I saw another video about this a few days ago, they came to most of the same conclusions, only thing they had different was the reason for *why* the Demiurge would have done it. I don't remember the full details, but they actually believe that when we saw Athena in GoW 3, it wasn't Athena, but the Demiurge disguised as her. I don't remember much on what they said about recruiting Garm to search for the mask, but I remember them saying it was a failure, leading them to try a different approach with Odin by promising infinite knowledge. I'm not sure how much I agree with the Athena part, as she is in GoW 4 briefly and I don't think she'd stick around Kratos after failing to use him if she was actually the Demiurge in disguise, but I also see parts that make sense. It's definitely interesting.
They've already confirmed Athena in GoW 2018 is in Kratos' mind - that's not really her
@@gingeranagram2467 true, which is part of why they said it could be the Demiurge. Again, I see arguments on both ends.
What I want to know now is, was that actually Athena in the doorway in the last God of War game when kratos went to retrieve the blades of chaos, or was it just her in his head? I mean that game led me to believe like he was hallucinating, but what if he wasn't what if she actually was there?.....
@@HighmageDerin Then Mimir would have seen her to begin with, or heard her at the very least, but he didn't. He only knew Kratos saw Athena once Kratos spoke her name. If only Kratos saw and heard her then it's unlikely she was actually there beyond being in Kratos' mind.
Edit: plus as Barry said, they've already confirmed she was only in his mind in that scene, so there is no reason to wonder, it's already been straight up stated.
I like how he says he's been wanting to make a video about this but waits till kaptain kuba to make his video it's basically the same video 👎
I know the video is based off of the game and the mythology done in the way Santa Monica portrayed it, but Garm was actually another monstrous canine, he wasn't a wolf, but he was to Hela as a sense of guard for Helheim, like a hellhound persay, but your theory on the lore of the game does actually makes sense, because I was thrown off seeing a normal sized Fenrir that was dying, and how Mimir shared the binding of Garm being the same as the Binding of Fenrir
How come only one of Fenrir's four soul bits got put into the knife? What were the other three bits? Where did they go?
I'm guessing they'd just return to the lake of souls/light of alfheim?
correct me if I'm wrong but I think the 4 soul part you just said has a different distinction from one another, the only part that got into the knife is the mind part of the soul, in case you were wondering the other 3 is form, direction and luck.
Understanding this could help you learn the situation of brok, because he had only 3 parts of his soul.
Also I think the parts of the soul should be scattered in the realms if we based on how sindri retrieved parts of the soul. I'm not sure on this one though.
So demiurge took Hróđvitnir's soul and the body became Garm. But Where did Fenrir come from? You don't explain it. demiurge took Hróđvitnir's soul and put it in a random wolf?
edit : without answer, i downvote
The part of Fenrir's soul that went into the knife was its Direction, the part of the soul that guides the other 3. The other 3 parts of soul did not go to Alfheim light! They went to Garm's body, guided by the Direction part from Atreus's knife!
for me there are 2 wolves living in the same time and maybe just like the serpent he can go back in time and so he is both in the past and in the future together with the fenrir cub and Skoll and Hati that in the future we will be able to see some dialogue or see the origin of these wolves...
of Garm/Fenrir and the Hrodviltnir Wolf that is out there and it still hasn't appeared or been mentioned but the theory that both are the same thing makes sense that Garm is Horodviltnir before he dies and goes to Hell and there is also the thing about the kraken that is missing and not even appears and I think the kraken is that octopus from Durlin... interesting theory and I like your theory make a video about this mysterious wolf and the kraken and how they might appear in the future🤔😮😁✌Like and bye!
If it wasn't really Athena in Kratos' home in 2018 and the creators have already confirmed this then I think it at the very least hints that the higher plane story(which I think WILL happen at some point) may not be the answer for the mask and rift.
I still and will continue to maintain this is totally a Harry Potter and Prisoner of Azkeban setup.
We stoll don't know who blew the horn in 2018 and if it was Angrboda why wouldn't she just let that factoid drop at some point? She would have no reason to not tell Loki.
I think Loki will at some point arrive at a time turner scenario where he realizes he set everything up, for things to play out the way they did in Ragnarok.
He would know all the pertinent timing and events to a T.
Also I mean I'd like to hope that in terms of creative story telling that the missing link ISNT "THESE 3 THINGS ALL SHARE THE SAME COLOR SO THATS THE ANSWER"
Kind of a lame story element imo.
The mask is probably alot older than Athenas spirit would be. There is probably no way she could be the one to create it, then spread it across Norse realms for no reason.
It's a very interesting theory while all we can do is speculate, but (and i might be totally wrong) i think it's very unlikely that the Christian community is gonna allow a game company to put Jesus in a game like god of war, they would probably set every videogame store on fire if that happened XD
one thing i noticed tho, Fen's soul has 4 parts of it, three of them went to Alfheim, while one remained in Atreus's knife....
(SPOLIER ALERT)
wouldn't Fenrir suffer the same fate as Brok? because Fenrir's soul isn't complete at least to my understanding, if he dies again, then he is forever gone just like Brok....
what if the other 3 parts of finrir's soul are in different parts of the nine realms and one of the quests in the next GOW will be to find the 3 remaining pieces and return them back to him? i feel like there will definitely be more of this story to come...
interactions between atreus and thor implies odin knows the wolf is chained and wants to keep it that way meaning odin may have put him there to begin with
To me it would make more sense if Odin took his souls because he was a nemesis to the asier
Part of Fenrir's soul? His entire soul went into Ateus' knife. Lol
Only video i’ve seen explaining why the mask reacted to garm
do you believe that someday we will see what this rift is or maybe a God of War game with the plain of existence and Demiurge?
I hope so 🤞
@@abdbay i just hate the fact that games like GoW need around 5 years each and if we consider the amount of info about the plain of existence we got on Ragnarok... i just hope i'm able to play video games at the age of 80 and more...
My brain trying to process that hrothufnir or whatever, garm, and fenrir are all the same dogs:
"VEKNA!!!!" whispered Atreus quietly.
In the myths.
Yes. Everything you've said.
Also in the sagas.
I dunno. Could be.. sure.
Thanks for keeping Odins scream in lol
ما شاء الله
عاشت ايدك اخوي شرح جدا راقي ونظرية قوية
مشكور اخوي 🙏🏼
Thanks for this, it sucks that the game hid her.
Athena was one of the bigger reasons i sought Ragnarok.
A version of mythology where all the different pantheons are just different races of beings from different realms and a higher plane of existence being the realm of omniscient good and evil creators? The next God of War is surely going to take things to the next level.
Seen this theory last month. I conch.
Weird how Atreus gives Garm the soul by just stabbing while later he needs to do the incantation with the snake.
You better not change this intro ever idc how many years
Yessir 🫡
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is when Atreus says he can't feel the animal and Angraboda explains to him. There's nothing to feel because he doesn't have a soul. But when he gets to hel and you're actually untying garm he's saying he can feel garm. But if garm doesn't have a soul like the other animal, how can he feel garm but not the other animal with Angroboda?
Perhaps it's because he only has one part of his 4 part soul. Or one part of that soul is missing and he replaced it with Fenrier's
@@HighmageDerin that could be, but it's that actually the case?
@@onealr I honestly doubt we'll ever know not unless they make it a point to address it in the next God of War
I may have to watch this a couple times you lost me during the Middle when you're talking about the three wolves is there some kind of time-travel shenanigans
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There's nothing that states or even implies that fenrir dies due to fimbulwinter. He was just sick. If it was caused by fimbulwinter, then by that logic speki and svana (I think those are the names) wouldn't have been well either, meaning kratos and atreus wouldn't have a sled in Midgard.
It's so stupid when content creators treat their own headcanon as fact
I think he got it twisted up with Fenrir, because garm becomes Fenrir after his soul is put into Garm's body, afyer he died at the beginning of the game.
Dis makes sense 🤔🤔💯💯🙌🙌
There is a myth for the word for hunger so great it consumes itself.
just goes to show there is something bigger at play here happening between the pantheons
How did Kratos get to Egypt?
They really hit us with fenrir dying
You got to stop with this finally revealed title. Its a theory thats it.
Made you click 👀
@@abdbay HAHA. Ok, if you want to admit to clickbait thats fine.
Great video!
Thanks!
This is all really really shocking me on so much I have in ragnarok?!
But Fenrir is the son of Loki and Angrboda…. So there’s that.
Why is Athena in every theory? She has nothing to do with anything outside of greece
Wouldn't kratos recognize him though?
Have feeling we will use garm to tear a hole into a different pantheon for next gow
Good vid
Thank you!
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you make some good theories you should make god of war what if's like what if ares took kratos instead or what if zeus didnt destroy all of kratos godly weapons during the final battle in god of war 3
You forgot to add in the lore of Mask to this.
I’m assuming the mask from the movie Mask is the same mask Odin was after.
The mask was said to be of loki or smth in the 2nd movie
@@Whatsabird guess you could argue it’s Lokis mask since he’s the one who pieced it together and has some connection to it to have been able to find it, put it together and wear it.
He sent it into the rift which is reasonable to think it wound up in our realm where it fell into Jim Carry’s hands 🤷♂️.
I don’t know who ripped who off but I swear I just watched a video with the same exact theory and explanation as KaptainKubas theory on Garm
If anything, this isn't the first time I touch up on this.
@@abdbay I believe you it’s just crazy how similar your videos are
Your theory doesn't take into account how Fenrir ended up in the body of a normal wolf
Fenrir był normalnym wilkiem na początku, przed śmiercią
The Fenrir at the beginning of the game is a normal wolf that Atreus adopted and named Fenrir. That random wolf Atreus adopted is the original, first ever Fenrir.
@@abdbay Yes but in your theory you said that Hróðvitnir and Fenrir are the same person
@@michamatyjewiczalkis284 They are but they aren’t. First Hrodvitnir existed as the giant wolf and the father of Skoll and Hati, then Hrodvitnir’s soul was taken away and the wolf became soulless Garm, then Atreus put the soul of his deceased adopted wolf, Fenrir, into Garm and so Garm became Fenrir like how we see in the game. Does that make sense?
@@michamatyjewiczalkis284 did u even play the game or pay attention? The original fenir died and Loki took it's soul and placed it in garm
I want to see Kratos fight apophis
intro music please ?
Zeus had white eyes but did he have a soul?🤔
His eyes were white from his lighting
Hey bro ily sm and I appreciate ur content a lot and makes me happy when I see it but can you please change that intro cause it’s a bit cringe af 😭😭kratos deserves a more hyped up intro than that dont u think
Bro very little Dad of War follows Norse mythology. Fenrir, Jourmungndr and a few others were the children of Loki and Angraboda. Both of which have not fucked or had kids in Dad of War. So Fenrir being born after Skal and Hati doesn't matter.
You are the Gow Goat 🐐🗿
Thank you ❤️
U do make it make sense and it makes sense if that makes sense
makes sense
Why is nobody connecting this game to jim carrey's "the mask"?. I mean, there's no connection, but it's the only other time loki has been connected to a mask
I still think Kratos is weak AF because every time I see him in his rage or Omega form it's doing zero damage or nothing to be excited about I have it powered up to level three and still does nothing to ads bosses or mid bosses even sub boxes very underwhelming it has nothing to do with this video
jim carrey did put on the mask
I really hope God of war has nothing to do with Christian mythology
So you think garm had a soul when he was a pup?
Exactly
Nice Video
Thanks for the visit
Had to stop the video a minute in.
The guy seems to think the norse mythology in game is a one to one to norse mythology IRL, attempting to make sense of certain things when their two canons are separate. If certain characters and events from IRL my this haven’t been adapted into the GOW version you can just plug in IRL and pretend like it’s GOW fact for the sake of a video
ok, soooooo... What?!
You keep quoting gnosticism and the demiurge but you fail to address that if this is the case then CHRISTIANITY IS REAL IN THE GOD OF WAR UNIVERSE. You're missing the forest for the trees here mate.
You aren't paying attention
@@Cnote1 how?
@@tulud Because he never said it wasnt part of it
Wtf? I'm confused af
Does this mean Jesus has a female counterpart?
interesting point
It feels like you just make up
"plot holes" for the sake of content.
However your theories don't seem to make much more sense either.
What part don't make sense to you?
@@abdbay
Like the reason why the mask reacted, or that garm had no soul before. There are a few other comments which point out the same or other problems.
just got the feeling this is more about making content than an actual theory that makes sense or solves a problem in the story.
I mean it's fine, because it's just for fun anyway, but i don't get it.
Pls don't take it the wrong way, just wanted to give some feedback :)
@@luke-vu4cu My theory is that the mask reacts to anything that is associated with the Demiurge and the higher plane of existence. The Demiurge is the one who took away Garm’s soul and influenced him to make the rift in Odin’s basement, and that is why the mask reacted to Garm. The mask was reacting to Garm’s powers.
Garm has no soul because the Demiurge took it from him. When Garm had a soul he was known as Hrodvitnir. The Demiurge took away Garm’s soul so that the wolf would start wildly creating rifts until it eventually created one to the higher realm of existence. The Demiurge needed Garm to create the rift for him because he was kicked out of the higher realm of existence and was looking for a way to get back in.
I make theories cuz it’s fun and the reason I made this channel is because I just didn’t want to throw things out there aimlessly.
Mimir is unreliable narrator sometimes.
Gonna be honest, I'm a christian and I love God of War, but I'm gonna be disappointed at Santa Monica if they use Jesus in the lore. That's a line I don't want them to cross EVER.
Why shouldn't they use him? Other mythos came before yours.
Why should you be exempt?
Greek and norse existed first...
What makes yours special
Trans holding the mask trying to help Odin makes me think of the Mask👽🤪
The waffle house has found its new host
Thief not theif, but I love your content
Yeah, it's thief?
@@abdbay I’m sorry, I really shouldn’t have said anything. I don’t like being that guy and I shouldn’t have. I love your stuff
@@megawarrior_101 don’t you dare apologize. You did nothing wrong. I gaslighted you, cuz you were right. I fixed the thumbnail and changed the spelling. Thanks for commenting. ❤️