I really appreciate you jumping straight into the deeds without lengthy introductions. Thanks for these firmware videos, they're always my go-to before updating to latest
Many times when these updates come out, I'm primarily concerned about stability rather than improvements. Owners will eventually need to update. You've helped answer this question for me. Thank you!
Great video. If at all possible, can you include BG3 data in the bios comparison videos as well? It is more difficult for the handheld devices to run, but it’ll be cool information to have. If you can’t no worries, I understand it’s a lot of work.
Like always such a great video informative and with the right info had no idea that had to manually go install the BIOS had the same issue and had to go to latest to find it thanks for the help
You know what would be cool. Is a comparison between stock bios to now. Idk if that’s possible but would be super interesting to see the improvements made since launch.
Great video. I have been using a steam deck but am getting myself an ally now and think your videos will be invaluable to help set it up so thank you ❤ one question if that’s alright. Have you ever tried to play the game space engineers on the ally ? I’m wondering if it will run it. Thank you again for all your hard work.
Thanks! I just opened up Space Engineers and the earth starter base seems to run pretty well. It'll definitely depend on how much you build. I was getting around 70FPS on the earth starter base on medium settings / 1080p on Turbo. Around 50 or so on performance which is pretty good.
Once FSR 3 with frame gen comes to the Ally on the 24th, it'd be cool to see if framerate can improve in AAA titles at lower wattages such as 12W. It could mean a huge boost in battery life while still getting decent FPS.
Hey, I tested out the preview drives and just released a video on it. The biggest issue is input lag, and it adds quite a bit. So you want the base frame rate to be high. I think the ideal use case would actually be using more power to get high FPS. At lower TDP the Ally is great with it's LFC (Low Framerate Compensation), allowing it to get to 30FPS with VRR.
Thanks! It's great that you continue comparing and showing the performance difs when the new Bios are released. Unrelated: did you keep your XG-mobile or the problems you found on your unit persisted?
Thanks, glad the update video helped :). I ended up returning it since I have most of my games stored on an external drive. I'll probably look into them again in the future though. Especially if they release more budget friendly options like the 4070 or 4080.
I think the focus was not on fps because the temps where alot better on the new bios with higher vram usage so that in turn means better battery life if it runs cooler
I'm currently testing this out. I will say I'm not impressed by it in the current state. The added input lag and artifacting doesn't seem to be worth the trade off. I'm doing more testing though and do plan on making a video on it :)
Thanks as always, i always wait for your videos to confirm if worth upgrading bios 👍. Will you be testing AFMF on the Ally? I'd be interested on your opinion, appreciate these videos are very time consuming to prepare, but would be appreciated 👍
Man I love the 15W performance we're getting with the Ally....just one question : are you going with 900p and RSR ? Why aren't you sticking with the 1080p version?
I always run 900p with RIS (Radeon Image Sharpening). RIS just sharpens the image some and it works at all resolutions. It also has no performance impact. With RSR you have set the desktop resolution to 900p for it to work in games like Diablo 4, Forza Horizon 4/5, and others because they're running in window borderless mode. And RSR does have a performance impact that can vary from game to game. For me it wasn't worth the hassle, so RIS is something I've used for years and can just toggle it on and forget about it. Just simpler IMO. Hope the info helps :)
Hi! Thank for your video! Just one thing,you seemed to be playing Re4 Remake on 1080p and not 900p in the footage. Is it just that you changed your settings afterward or it's a mistake and we can obtain better results irl?
Hey, it was run at 900p despite it showing 1080p in the settings. I usually run multiple tests (more than I have in videos). 900p is also a great resolution to run it at. 1080p is pretty rough and will get a bit lower FPS than you saw in the video. Hope the info helps :)
Appreciate it man! Any custom fan curves in Armoury Crate will be pretty loud due to how they set it up. What I'd recommend is using something called G-Helper, which will allow you to have quieter fans. I have a video on it here: ruclips.net/video/CyFQUacAIf8/видео.html
Help pls. 3 days after updating to bios 336 myasus app doesnt show anymore the history of updates under update history. Did i did something wrong during the update? Or is it just bug? I did restart it a couple of times but to no avail.
an idea for a video might be to compare performance of the new amd beta drivers for the 7840u with fluid motion frames, i'm sure it will come to the ally natively at some point.
Wait what I don't have the latest tab mine says update history instead what do I do??? Everything says I'm up to date but I'm still on 335 so how do I get 336???
Great video! Thanks! I think that comparison between first bios and Radeon driver (from market entry) to latest bios and radeon drivers would be interesting. It is possible? Maybe when new frame generation drivers goes officcial for Ally?
I have wanted to create a 317 vs 323 vs 336 BIOS test. It'd be really interesting to see how the day 1 performance is on 317 versus the low watt boost we saw in 323 versus the latest one. I'm working on testing AFMF (AMD Fluid Motion Frames) on the Ally right now, but might look into this BIOS thing after.
I grabbed the same wallpaper off of Reddit LOL! Interesting, looks like every drop of performance has been pretty much squeezed out of the APU (barring a solid driver implementation of FSR 3.0/framegen, of course).
I love it, super clean and minimalist looking :). Yeah I think they've extracted just about all the juice they can from the Z1 Extreme. I'm testing the framegen in the AMD preview driver right now but the input lag and artifacting really take away from the usefulness IMO. I'm hoping they have it fixed by the time the official driver comes out.
Thanks! Yes, I am testing it out as we speak :). I plan to do a video about it, but it'll be a little while before I make it as I need to do a lot more testing.
I have been testing it and it's pretty noticeable. In something like Skyrim it seems to work pretty well, but faster paced FPS games don't work as good. I'm planning on creating a video about it :)
Yes, I am currently testing it out and plan to make a video about it. It'll take a little while before I create the video as I really want to test it out in-depth.
I recommend 5GB over 4GB. I found a lot of games will stop using VRAM at around 3.2GB's when it's set to 4GB. So I definitely recommend and personally use 5GB's.
Did you see the Lossless Scaling on Steam now has frame generation? Needs a bit of fiddling with refresh rate and stuff but it works great, especially on Yuzu and RPCS3. Running at 30fps, gives you that 60fps smoothness and also the new frame gen mods by LukeFZ also work great. Dead Space remake is actually way more playable now on the Ally. Thanks for all your videos, keep it up :)
I did see that. I'm going to need to test it out against AFMF (AMD Fluid Motion Frames) to see what the differences are. I've been messing with the AMD preview driver a bit and it works decent, but adds a lot of input lag.
@@filt3rless Ah, I see. With Lossless, if you set the fps cap to half your refresh rate, it sorts out the issues. I haven't had input lag problems. You can also use the frame gen without any upscaling, which is nice ^^
@@filt3rless Oh, one more thing. How did you get that driver to run on the Ally? Same method as one of your other videos where you manually set the driver to a 780M?
You can tweek more fps in cyberpunk if you adjust the Shadow Quality Parameters. You´re running Upscaling 2.1 anyway so I´m fine with lower Shadow Quality but better Textures.
I'm currently testing out the fluid motion frames feature. It is "working", but the added input lag/artifacting seems to be a heavy cost for higher FPS.
@@filt3rless maybe you’ve already know about this and tried it but I read that the anti lag helps with that? Anyways hope to see more of your content soon
@@N54htmare Hey, yeah it automatically turns that on. It's still pretty noticeable to me. I'm wondering if it'll be improved a bit before the official driver is out. It is promising though and I'm surprised it works as well as it does on an iGPU.
Great catch! I can't believe I didn't put the device name anywhere 🤣. I just updated the description. This is specifically a BIOS update for a device called the ROG Ally, which is a gaming handheld by Asus. It's what's in the thumbnail and is pretty much a mini Windows 11 PC with controls attached to it.
Nice I updated mine last night and was wondering what changed. Getting great fps in starfield using the frame gen mod on my ROG and my PC average of 176 fps on my PC at 1440p ultra FSR 3 quality with frame generation. Vids on my channel. looks great runs great..
Yeah... But using G-helper keeps the old fan curves. I definitely recommend it and it's so easy to install. All the benefits of the new bios without the ridiculous fan curves implemented on bios 319
From what I can tell they're the same. And as Willy said below, G-Helper is a great program for keeping quieter fans. I have a video about using G-Helper and Armoury Crate together here if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/CyFQUacAIf8/видео.html
Hey, I am trying out the AFMF (AMD Fluid Motion Frames) in the preview driver they released. I'll be creating a video in a couple days about it. I'm still testing it out a bit trying to find the best settings/use case.
I think they've probably squeezed most of the performance we'll see out of the chip. I still like to provide an update though as they have released BIOS versions that tank performance in the past or cause major stuttering.
Wait what I don't have the latest tab mine says update history instead what do I do??? Everything says I'm up to date but I'm still on 335 so how do I get 336???
I really appreciate you jumping straight into the deeds without lengthy introductions. Thanks for these firmware videos, they're always my go-to before updating to latest
THIS!
Many times when these updates come out, I'm primarily concerned about stability rather than improvements. Owners will eventually need to update.
You've helped answer this question for me. Thank you!
Same, I'll take a stable framerate over a higher one any day :)
Great video. If at all possible, can you include BG3 data in the bios comparison videos as well? It is more difficult for the handheld devices to run, but it’ll be cool information to have. If you can’t no worries, I understand it’s a lot of work.
Keep up the great work we appreciate you 🙌🏻 keeping us in the loop
Thank u very much for doing these benchmarks my hero for these ally videos ❤
Thank you for your videos - insanely deep, straight, only needed information + guides in the end
much love
Thank you for making these great videos! I always wait for your benchmarks before updating
Like always such a great video informative and with the right info had no idea that had to manually go install the BIOS had the same issue and had to go to latest to find it thanks for the help
You are always giving us so many infos first from others, thanks for your time !!!!
Always appreciate these! Another great video 😊
You know what would be cool. Is a comparison between stock bios to now. Idk if that’s possible but would be super interesting to see the improvements made since launch.
Great video. I have been using a steam deck but am getting myself an ally now and think your videos will be invaluable to help set it up so thank you ❤ one question if that’s alright. Have you ever tried to play the game space engineers on the ally ? I’m wondering if it will run it. Thank you again for all your hard work.
Thanks! I just opened up Space Engineers and the earth starter base seems to run pretty well. It'll definitely depend on how much you build. I was getting around 70FPS on the earth starter base on medium settings / 1080p on Turbo. Around 50 or so on performance which is pretty good.
@@filt3rless thank you so much. This is very helpful to know. Hope to see you grow and get all you want from 2024
Once FSR 3 with frame gen comes to the Ally on the 24th, it'd be cool to see if framerate can improve in AAA titles at lower wattages such as 12W. It could mean a huge boost in battery life while still getting decent FPS.
Hey, I tested out the preview drives and just released a video on it. The biggest issue is input lag, and it adds quite a bit. So you want the base frame rate to be high. I think the ideal use case would actually be using more power to get high FPS. At lower TDP the Ally is great with it's LFC (Low Framerate Compensation), allowing it to get to 30FPS with VRR.
Thanks! It's great that you continue comparing and showing the performance difs when the new Bios are released. Unrelated: did you keep your XG-mobile or the problems you found on your unit persisted?
Thanks, glad the update video helped :). I ended up returning it since I have most of my games stored on an external drive. I'll probably look into them again in the future though. Especially if they release more budget friendly options like the 4070 or 4080.
And just tested the new bios 336 with fsr 3. Mod for cyberpunk, 95-97fps good quality!!!
I think the focus was not on fps because the temps where alot better on the new bios with higher vram usage so that in turn means better battery life if it runs cooler
You always put up great videos, if it is possible to add Warzone to the mix it would be great 🔥
Looking good, was waiting for this. Now... i am REALLY wanting this new AMD driver... with frame gen on AMD version.. really curious!
Same I want afmf
@@nani.df. jeah i hope we get that update soon. Would be amazing and a real game changer.
Should be out by the end of the month
I'm currently testing this out. I will say I'm not impressed by it in the current state. The added input lag and artifacting doesn't seem to be worth the trade off. I'm doing more testing though and do plan on making a video on it :)
@@filt3rless thank you for letting us know I do wish they bring anti lag plus back
Thanks as always, i always wait for your videos to confirm if worth upgrading bios 👍.
Will you be testing AFMF on the Ally? I'd be interested on your opinion, appreciate these videos are very time consuming to prepare, but would be appreciated 👍
Yes, I've done most of the recording for AFMF and working on the video :)
@@filt3rless
Excellent , I'll look out for it 👍👌
Man I love the 15W performance we're getting with the Ally....just one question : are you going with 900p and RSR ? Why aren't you sticking with the 1080p version?
I always run 900p with RIS (Radeon Image Sharpening). RIS just sharpens the image some and it works at all resolutions. It also has no performance impact. With RSR you have set the desktop resolution to 900p for it to work in games like Diablo 4, Forza Horizon 4/5, and others because they're running in window borderless mode.
And RSR does have a performance impact that can vary from game to game. For me it wasn't worth the hassle, so RIS is something I've used for years and can just toggle it on and forget about it. Just simpler IMO.
Hope the info helps :)
Wow I've never really tried games at 12w definitely going to look at this when I'm on the go performs better than I thought
Yeah it's awesome now. BIOS 323 was the first one that really improved the lower watt performance. Then it got even better over all the updates since.
Yes!!! Grateful for this update vid
Great video thank you so much!
Best Rog Ally content on RUclips
Hi! Thank for your video!
Just one thing,you seemed to be playing Re4 Remake on 1080p and not 900p in the footage.
Is it just that you changed your settings afterward or it's a mistake and we can obtain better results irl?
Hey, it was run at 900p despite it showing 1080p in the settings. I usually run multiple tests (more than I have in videos). 900p is also a great resolution to run it at. 1080p is pretty rough and will get a bit lower FPS than you saw in the video. Hope the info helps :)
love your videos sir. can we do next optimal fan curves per watts? thanks!
Appreciate it man! Any custom fan curves in Armoury Crate will be pretty loud due to how they set it up. What I'd recommend is using something called G-Helper, which will allow you to have quieter fans. I have a video on it here: ruclips.net/video/CyFQUacAIf8/видео.html
@@filt3rless awesome! thank you sir! this slipped my marathon on your videos.
Potential CPU optimization? I’ve been Yuzu gaming all week so that sounds great to me.
It looks like they might have optimized it a little bit. Let me know if you see any FPS increase in Yuzu :)
Help pls.
3 days after updating to bios 336 myasus app doesnt show anymore the history of updates under update history.
Did i did something wrong during the update? Or is it just bug? I did restart it a couple of times but to no avail.
an idea for a video might be to compare performance of the new amd beta drivers for the 7840u with fluid motion frames, i'm sure it will come to the ally natively at some point.
That is a great idea. I'm hoping Asus releases a new driver soon. Then I want to make a video on the .3004 vs (new Asus driver) vs latest AMD driver.
Wait what I don't have the latest tab mine says update history instead what do I do??? Everything says I'm up to date but I'm still on 335 so how do I get 336???
I upgrade the bios only with Filterless's blessing
Thanks for this updates ^_^
Great video! Thanks! I think that comparison between first bios and Radeon driver (from market entry) to latest bios and radeon drivers would be interesting. It is possible? Maybe when new frame generation drivers goes officcial for Ally?
I have wanted to create a 317 vs 323 vs 336 BIOS test. It'd be really interesting to see how the day 1 performance is on 317 versus the low watt boost we saw in 323 versus the latest one. I'm working on testing AFMF (AMD Fluid Motion Frames) on the Ally right now, but might look into this BIOS thing after.
No need to hurry. ❤
Cp2077 with what resolution? 720p right? Because im getting 30 to 40 fps on medium 900p 30w
I grabbed the same wallpaper off of Reddit LOL! Interesting, looks like every drop of performance has been pretty much squeezed out of the APU (barring a solid driver implementation of FSR 3.0/framegen, of course).
I love it, super clean and minimalist looking :). Yeah I think they've extracted just about all the juice they can from the Z1 Extreme.
I'm testing the framegen in the AMD preview driver right now but the input lag and artifacting really take away from the usefulness IMO. I'm hoping they have it fixed by the time the official driver comes out.
Nice video my friend! Can you make a video trying the new amd drivers with fluid motion frames?
Thanks! Yes, I am testing it out as we speak :). I plan to do a video about it, but it'll be a little while before I make it as I need to do a lot more testing.
@@filt3rless thanks!
Please test AMFM and talk about the latency if its very noticeable or not!
I have been testing it and it's pretty noticeable. In something like Skyrim it seems to work pretty well, but faster paced FPS games don't work as good. I'm planning on creating a video about it :)
@@filt3rless awesome, does it worsen the experience or is very noticeable for single player games like gow or cp2077 or other similar games?
yesterday after update to 336v, installed Forza H5 and set it to high and FSR 2.2 (performance setting) and 1080p, im getting about 66 fps
Would you test out the new preview driver with AFMF on the ally?
Yes, I am currently testing it out and plan to make a video about it. It'll take a little while before I create the video as I really want to test it out in-depth.
Thank you, this was exactly what i was looking for. I noticed all the games were set to 4gb of VRAM, is that the best setting you recommend?
Set it to 5 or 6 don't go any higher. I've got mine set to 5gb
@@xAuzzieGamer93 i got mines set to 6gb and it gives me a low memory warning while playing FH5
@@CHiTO316 game obviously uses more ram. Set it to 5gb
I recommend 5GB over 4GB. I found a lot of games will stop using VRAM at around 3.2GB's when it's set to 4GB. So I definitely recommend and personally use 5GB's.
Thanks for the great review, any chance you can add a demanding emulator in to compare i.e Yuzu?
Hey, I have thought about adding it. But I'm worried about Nintendo striking the channel which is why I haven't shown any emulation gameplay.
Did you see the Lossless Scaling on Steam now has frame generation? Needs a bit of fiddling with refresh rate and stuff but it works great, especially on Yuzu and RPCS3. Running at 30fps, gives you that 60fps smoothness and also the new frame gen mods by LukeFZ also work great. Dead Space remake is actually way more playable now on the Ally.
Thanks for all your videos, keep it up :)
I did see that. I'm going to need to test it out against AFMF (AMD Fluid Motion Frames) to see what the differences are. I've been messing with the AMD preview driver a bit and it works decent, but adds a lot of input lag.
@@filt3rless Ah, I see. With Lossless, if you set the fps cap to half your refresh rate, it sorts out the issues. I haven't had input lag problems. You can also use the frame gen without any upscaling, which is nice ^^
@@filt3rless Oh, one more thing. How did you get that driver to run on the Ally? Same method as one of your other videos where you manually set the driver to a 780M?
@@Bl4ckH4nd Hey, it's the same method using the 780M driver.
@@filt3rless Fantastic, thank you very much :)
You can tweek more fps in cyberpunk if you adjust the Shadow Quality Parameters. You´re running Upscaling 2.1 anyway so I´m fine with lower Shadow Quality but better Textures.
I am seeing lower temps, but VRAM usage is a little bit higher.
Indeed. VRam is just higher. Im seeing it also at first
good test 😃
Cooler temperatures too, about 5%.
Another great one 🙌🤝
Is this going to affect also rpcs3 performance?
Can you do a guide how to use frame generation / FSR3?
I'm currently testing out the fluid motion frames feature. It is "working", but the added input lag/artifacting seems to be a heavy cost for higher FPS.
@@filt3rless maybe you’ve already know about this and tried it but I read that the anti lag helps with that? Anyways hope to see more of your content soon
@@N54htmare Hey, yeah it automatically turns that on. It's still pretty noticeable to me. I'm wondering if it'll be improved a bit before the official driver is out. It is promising though and I'm surprised it works as well as it does on an iGPU.
What is this a BIOS of exactly?
It doesn't say in the title OR the description....
I don't know what I'm looking at here....
Great catch! I can't believe I didn't put the device name anywhere 🤣. I just updated the description.
This is specifically a BIOS update for a device called the ROG Ally, which is a gaming handheld by Asus. It's what's in the thumbnail and is pretty much a mini Windows 11 PC with controls attached to it.
Can you make one for the Fluid Motion tech in the preview driver?
Hey, yeah I'm testing that out and plan to make a video on it :)
Thanks 🙏🏼 ❤
Nice vedio 🎉
12MB on that 336 makes a big difference
Nice I updated mine last night and was wondering what changed. Getting great fps in starfield using the frame gen mod on my ROG and my PC average of 176 fps on my PC at 1440p ultra FSR 3 quality with frame generation. Vids on my channel. looks great runs great..
Great bios update by ASUS.
Fan profile rpm increase?
Hey, I didn't notice the difference in noise. I haven't monitored the RPM directly though.
@@filt3rless As long as noise doesn't increase too much I'm all for it.
@@Cooper3312000 I've been testing games out on it in handheld mode and the noise seems the same to me :)
Fan curves still the same right?
Yeah... But using G-helper keeps the old fan curves. I definitely recommend it and it's so easy to install. All the benefits of the new bios without the ridiculous fan curves implemented on bios 319
From what I can tell they're the same. And as Willy said below, G-Helper is a great program for keeping quieter fans. I have a video about using G-Helper and Armoury Crate together here if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/CyFQUacAIf8/видео.html
Please try fsr 3.0 mod
Hey, I am trying out the AFMF (AMD Fluid Motion Frames) in the preview driver they released. I'll be creating a video in a couple days about it. I'm still testing it out a bit trying to find the best settings/use case.
good
mostly doom 2016.
Margin of error.
Meaningless differences as usual lol
I think they've probably squeezed most of the performance we'll see out of the chip. I still like to provide an update though as they have released BIOS versions that tank performance in the past or cause major stuttering.
There's probably only slight optimizations now, the previous updates actually brought allot of performance to newer games
Wait what I don't have the latest tab mine says update history instead what do I do??? Everything says I'm up to date but I'm still on 335 so how do I get 336???