Black Water Tank and Other Upgrades
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- Опубликовано: 1 дек 2023
- Black Water = Sewer
Yes, on boats we hold our shit until we are three miles offshore or have it sucked out. In any case, if you're going to own a boat or RV you'll need to learn to deal with your shit. Some will never get it, others don't understand what the big deal is.
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Subbed just because you do metal work barefoot. Nothing more that i like than triggering the purist mouth breathers who know everything on the internet. Keep letting them hobbit toes show my guy
Forgot about project. Been kinda keeping tabs on it. Its cool to see people doing what others said would fail
Doug your ingenuity is an inspiration
Thankful for you too Doug!
Rotomolded sewage tanks. Doug, that's really handy and well timed information for another project of mine. Thanks man. 👍
Best of luck to ya.
The floor system you have set up on Seeker is probably one of the best features of the vessel, from a repair and modification standpoint. Just squeezing mechanical and electrical systems into a space with no access is completely short sighted when a sea vessel is going to need them accessed to maintenance, repair, and replacement constantly. The less time and effort there is to do a repair, the more time that boat can be used to enjoy it or do work with it. Doing anything short of access hatches and a removable floor just sounds like asking for paying a marine mechanic way more money to spend most of their time just trying to access the problem instead of actually fixing it.
When I started looking at boats that inability to access anything under the floors except through little hatches just make no sense at all. Computer room style floors and overhead cable trays are wonderful!
@@SVSeeker The cable trays I have seen done on larger vessels that have drop ceilings for their cold air return. I always thought that the floor, wall, and ceiling panel style access that was shown on newer Star Trek series was the way to go for marine vessels so you could get at anything mechanical or electrical. Panels can even be decorative and be removable, as the floor panels you have show, but those are also highly functional as well.
I guess I value being able to fix something on a ship more than having a perfect looking floor that doesn't have panel joints, even though you can make the panel joints part of the floor decoration. Form over function was always important for me. If you perfect the form, you can make it its own piece of engineering art.
I have done the left glove only welding for sometime now. It’s cool to see someone else doing the same thing. Don’t really need a right glove because you’re operating the torch and there’s plenty of shadowing and distance. But welding with bare feet, that’s really cool!
We need to find some left handed folks so we can same %50 on gloves.
Tomorrow is a new day, we can try and get it right tomorrow. Love this 😊
Done with the morning coffee and heading to the shop! It's always good to start the weekend off with some inspiration from the Seeker build!!!
Awesome video
I love that salvage yard! I wish I had a place like that near me! Awesome!
Nothing better in the morning than drilling stainless with hot chips flying around and bare feet unless it's welding with bare feet ???
Hmmm the taste of pink thanksgiving foam, freshly carved.
Looks Great..
Great video Doug she's looking good
I'm thinking to myself a pounding sea,? I just learned that you really got to lash it down, no wiggle room, thanks for the video Iam always learning,
Yup, and that tank brace could be beefed up too. Contact area woild preferably be larger to reduce long term rubbing also. There's tremendous forces at play when you're going up against choppy waves.
"Ship shape" as we said in the coast guard. That was a command to lash down anything and everything.
Maybe OTT like so many costs involed.@@frodehau
Doug I have been watching your videos since 2007. You are a great guy inspiring with a wonderful attitude seeker is a testament of sheer willpower And determination, the world will be very a better place if more ppl were like you
Thanks for the great video Doug. SCAD TM1 or TM2 tank monitor will put you at ease. Cheers
That's a cool bit. But you can just lift a floor board and have a look too, and when we are offshore we always dump, no matter how little there is.
Great work Doug. One trick I learned in the car business when trying to find a water leak that's migrating from an unknown source. Use foot powder as an inexpensive way to trace. The wet path shows up clearly in the dry foot powder.
The best thing you can do to prevent condensation from the cold water tank is to insulate it with Armaflex AF. This is available in self-adhesive or using contact glue. also available in hoses to insulate cold or hot pipes. Gr Jurgen
I have not once seen condensation on these tanks. Is that really a thing?
Yes, maybe you have to leave Florida though !!@@SVSeeker
I. Like. The. Fact. That. You. Didn’t. Hurt. Your. Toes moving all that. Stuff. WELL. DONE. !!! LOL
How far out are you from having researchers on your vessel?
Don't know. What do you want to researcher?
Consider t bolt hose clamps. They're much more reliable, and they have full bands. The worm gear clamps cut into hoses over time.
Ok. I considered them. : )
Good thing you video always over 3 miles offshore and that you regularly reach in and close the valve when you get close to land. In the great lakes it's best to remove the nut from valve handle and hang handle on a wire or next to it don't leave it attached and always have it closed per mandated regulations . Glad you updated to a tank that won't fly right out the floor in a storm
Well, that ain't the way these tanks work. There is no diverter valve. The head always drains to the tank. No worries about where the valve is.
Ive got pretty much the exact same system as you. Lastnight the 1.5" ss ball valve was completely plugged shut. Took the hose off the diaphragm pump and jabbed some pex hose thru to clear out the thru hull. Carry a few extra duckbill valves for the pump. If you have one hose clogged itll flip those valves inside out and not work. Also a carry a spare pump. Those rotomolded tanks will bulge quite a bit. Keep an eye on them if they chafe on stuff
When I clean the hull, I take a wooden stick and knock loose any barnacles that are starting to make a home in the valves. And yeah, I have spares.
You need more than wood to remove European wildlife..a steel paint scraper at the minium.
You haven't had a lift out yet !@@SVSeeker
It's your fault that instead of running power cables in the basement to my welding station and practicing aluminum Tig welding for the exam, I watch RUclips.😁
Ive been trying rust converters on my Corvair and so far it seems the marine stuff works pretty good. Rustolium does almost nothing to anything thicker than lught surface rust but i tried something called ospho and that crap converts everything all the way through, you just maje sure any oils are off and you can brush spray or flat out dump the crap on and it just turns the area black/grey. They twll you to wash it off before you paint but its pretty cool for places you cant easily get tools into.
Might also have to try that Loctite stuff you used and see how well it works.
It's important that I keep up with these videos. I don't want to miss anything, and after a few months, I come back and see Doug is now sailing an aircraft career.
I like the barefoot welding
Still can't get used to how with steel you can just cut and reattach stuff unlike with wood...gotta try welding someday...another great project. And yes, good choice on the west systems 105/207--all my boats based on that stuff!
Cutting, drilling, grinding, and even welding in shorts and bare feet. Livin on the wild side!
Unsupervised and loving it.
I have a good friend that worked on trident subs in kings Bay
Racheting wrenches are the best.
Nothing better than a freshly carved slice of Polyurethane foam for Thanksgiving.
I think Leo over at Tally Ho had some serious issues with his original weldet plastic tanks. Only think I found with plastic, if it can move ins some way and you got it supported only on a rather small area, over time the plastic may get weak around that area and break. So I would go for bracing with as much surface/contact area as possible, just to distribute any possible stresses from the tank trying to move around.
But even with this bracing, it should hold up quite a while.
Success, right supplier, parts, installation process. Always striving to improve. Even if it makes maintenance tasks easier.
Loving the safety skin protective welding foot wear Doug 👌💪.
Cant find the cowhide blankets link ?
Keep on keepin on
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Holy fuck you built an entire ass boat (and I've watched) and this is the FIRST time you are using West System?? Excellent, the Gougeon used to come around my parts and race/repair DN Iceboats back in the day. Cheers!
An entire steel boat. : )
Excellent video, Doug. I always learn so much from watching you work. As a former maintenance guy at a steel manufacturing and distribution plant and a master electrician, I appreciate all the projects you delve into. Very interesting stuff!
Cool, thanks
I was working on the shower drain issue also , the hair is stopping the pump , I will try the screen , I was thinking of a sump pump box just to keep out the soap in the bilge
I have two screens. One at the drain and the other on the end of the hose were it drops into the sump.
Really good idea and needed too.@@SVSeeker
Nice repair Doug. The weather looks good there.
Sunny and 83F Love it.
I laughed when you made the comment about Italy I just got a movie film splicer made there.👍
I have Rope Clutches make there too. But 80% of my stuff is likely China. : )
@@SVSeeker I collect 8mm and super8 projectors and get them running again I enjoy it. Makes like Bolex, Bell & Howell, Eumig, Sankyo The less plastic the better. As far as boats I spent a lot of time at the 55th st. marina in Cleveland, Ohio when I was a kid. Love your videos.
Doug, I feel like you should do a long term review of the Whaly tender boat.
So far I treat it like a bastard step child and it holds up fantastic.
Always educating to watch, thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Love it so much keep it up as always 💘
Glad you enjoy it!
In Civil Engineering our motto was: "Your Shit is my bread and butter."
Hi Doug, The thru hull by fwd sump motor looks like it was supported by a plastic adapter/spacer to distribute and maintain tension, sealing it against hull... better put that on list for upgrade to a metal based adapter, or at least check it for tightness again in a few months. If it's not fiber reinforced material, it will be simply plastic, and yield to forces acting on it over time reducing the tension needed to seal.
Do you have tapered wood bungs as backups for filling those thru hulls... even just to do a repair ? If you can, add the appropriate plug stored nearby there with a easily broken zip tie nearby so you're not looking for it ( or unfamiliar crew ) in a situation.
Epoxy on head and shower floor looks great ! You talked about roto molded tank, isn't the red burrito tender made similarly, though maybe not one monolithic piece like tank ? ie a top and bottom that are welded together ?
Naa, that's a tough bit of plastic. Besides, I'd rather it flex and bend than snap off.
What Chad said!
Mig welding stainless you want a Tri-mix. Most are helium based, making them quite pricy. linde has invented a mix that does not use helium so it costs much less. The linde part number is AR STAR77
Not really. You want any of the gas mixes that are recommended for the wire you are using. I have wire that runs with 100% Argon and some that runs with 100% CO2. Sometimes I actually read the label. : )
What drill bits do you use for metal and do you just use like a dr drill bit to maintain them?
Anything that I can sharpen, but if my back account allows I do like having the higher quality bits like Irwin. amzn.to/4a1bDyZ And I had a Drill Doctor for a while, but it was a pain to setup or have out in the way so I gifted it away. For me, I prefer to just get better at sharpening them on my grinder wheel. I can't do them little ones but I'm getting better at anything 1/4" diameter and up. Like most things, you can have fancy tools, or you can invest the time to gain the skills.
Keep the leathers hug up in a dry place on the boat, they can mold easily. Little prevention goes a long way. Hard o beat the wisdom of the old timers
I watch your Videos since you layed down the metal sheets for the hull of your boat into your garden!! Its so cool to see you and the boat on water and yeah working without rushing is always better!! Greetings from Berlin...
I would go in the shop and do something but it's minus 5 in there lol
Go in the shop and build a stove. : )
Hey Doug Paul from Sand springs
Howdy Paul. Long time. Hope you are doing well.
Think , marker lights in the dragon's noses
Have you had any galvanic issues with stainless welded to steel hull. Stainless transducers always have insulators to isolate from hull. On my steel yacht I have alot of corroded steel around where my stainless bollards are welded to steel deck.
No. I even have stainless welded to the hull and bare where the zincs are bolted on. The trick is to have the zincs. I suspect the corrosion problem you have may be related to a porous weld holding some saltwater. Clean them up and paint over the welds and it should been fine. Most all of my problem spots start in the welds too. Stainless or not.
@@SVSeeker that's interesting as I was thinking of using stainless bar for fair leads.
I have my zinc anodes held on with nuts on threaded mild steel studs. It doesn't work very well. How have you attached anodes? I'm pretty sure anodes welded to hull is best option but not very practical
@@paulmiller6277 Here is what I did: ruclips.net/video/7cMIKfRxCwM/видео.html
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You forgot to put on your steel toed flip flops!
No, I have plenty of steel bits imbedded in my feet. : )
I had a rotomold tank crack 5 years ago and used JB Plastic to weld the crack. Last 5 years but now I’ve purchase a replacement…..tank reasonable, shipping expensive so I picked it up. Question when you installed the tank fitting what kind of sealant did u use???? Sorry maybe you said but I missed it…..I’m thinking 4200?…
That's one of the cool parts. You get 3 fittings included with the purchase, you tell them what you want and where, and the spin weld the fitting into the tank.
@@SVSeeker I got my Roto tank from Beneteau through their dealer. Only bottom ( pump out) fitting came with the tank. I have to drill the vent and head holes on top and install the fittings. I remove the fitting from my old take and have to install at the correct angle to match my existing hoses. ( Beneteau 423) That’s why I think I need to use 4200 to prevent leakage. Any thoughts on adhesive?
@@waynemckee9170 I've tried gluing fitting to HDPE tanks and they have all failed. I think the only repair that might work would be heat welding them with scraps of HDPE. I've had some luck with test I did on an old tank. For fittings, I think bulkhead fittings are the way to go.
The amount of storage you gained from the single tank was well worth the labor!!
Looks good congratulations and happy holidays!!!
I like that my spare anchors are no longer looking like giant can openers up against the shit tanks. : )
Doug does a fair amount of welding. What does the hive mind think? Enough to be worried about UV skin damage in the long term?
Safety 3rd. Just genuinely wondering where the line is.
“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!” --Thompson
When I welded full time I sometimes got a little sore on the right wrist after days of welding in short gloves, something we were not allowed to do of course.
But I assume it depends on your complexion, I almost never get sunburnt despite being Caucasian, I never use sunscreen, because I hate the stuff. While people with freckles on the other hand seem to burn very easy.
@@SVSeeker fair enough. Keep on skidding Doug you legend!
Don't think i've seen a video on it, but how's the water maker been workin out?
I have not even turned it on. I can tell you that the rain water collection system is working great.
@@SVSeeker guess that's the benefit of being in a spot that rains so much! Look forward to seeing it in action should you ever need to turn it on 👍
That is NOT a junk yard- It is what heaven looks like! Miles and miles of stuff. I'm soo excited.
LOL
Do you guys think one of those tanks will hold good for gas Like for a boat to gasoline tank
Sure. Installed properly. Give Ronco Plastics a call.
How do you prevent getting your feet hurt, besides being careful?
Little bit of luck and skill. Gotta spread your toes out real far. Like a hand.
You lean to weld better.
Just shows what B S safety sallys are spreading, combing hair must be dangerous with all those teeth running over your scalp !@@yourmomsdildo3938
I've been watching for a long time, C'mon DOUG, GET THE LEAD OUT!😂
$h!tty work Doug!
Indeed
Doug, YT videos like yours are not a waste of time. You teach me something everytime. I call this place my technical school.
Ok, but provided we get off the couch and do something with the schooling. : )
Good Shit, Doug
Certainly fragrant.
lugging 100 lbs steel in bare feet! awesome
SV Seeker, great job doing stuff on ur Dragon Boat. I had stopped at a yard sale, looked around and found a use Push Mower.
The type of push-mower with just two wheels in front and a rotation blade on-it. The blade needs sharping, i got it for $10.00
Now i can mow-down some weeds in the back yard and get my exercises done at the same time.
You are the man.
Welding in shorts and barefoot.
“White man make good trade”
Hilarious!!!!
Snowflakes are going to cry about that comment LOL.
LOVE YOUR SHOW!
When are you going to be ready for a drone pilot?
Until I crash my drone into the water, I'm the drone pilot. : )
Un vrai guerrier du bricolage, percer et souder pieds nu !!
Why are you replacing your grey water tanks?
Those are black water. And the first tanks were temporary. They work, but they are just barrels and fairly thin walled so not fit for years of service.
I dont think your footwear is not osha approved! Thanks for putting out vidoes
That's ok, I don't think OSHA was designed for humans.
Yikes. Id bolt a guard around that thru hull transducer. Doesnt take much to snap one of those off and thats a big hole.
....that's in the video. : )
@@SVSeeker oh i meant like a close guard just for the transducer. I was picturing an 8" diameter stainless pipe, maybe 8" tall, with a couple tabs welded to the bottom. Weld some pieces to the hull thatre tapped so you can bolt the round guard to it. I put 5k lbs lead ballast on the port side but didn't want to risk any on the transducer side. After some very heavy weather I checked the lead, yea it shifted quite a bit
I'm almost sure I have a piece of metal in my foot just from watching Doug work.
Great content though.... been inspired and following for YEARS!
Doug, I really like your analytical approach to building things. If it doesn't work, screw it. Try something else.. My process exactly.
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Does anyone know what twist drill bit set Doug was using? Great video, I love seeing the things deep inside that we haven’t seen in a while to see how things are holding up!
They are expensive but they stay sharp a lot longer than the Harbor Freight bits I use to use. amzn.to/47Z1Wz5
@@SVSeeker For drilling metal I have been having really good luck with "Astro Tools TurboStep TS29 ONYX 29pc HSS Reduced Shank Mechanics Length 1/16" - 1/2" Drill Bit Set". The "TurboStep" is basically a unibit / step-drill designed right into the tip of the drill bit. I haven't needed to spend the extra money for cobalt bits but Norseman makes a set(22903) that is cobalt using the same design.
Also, I like to use WD40 as a cutting lubricant when dealing with aluminum as it really helps prevent the metal from sticking to the drill bits and being as grabby without. For stainless steel I have had good experiences with LPS Tapmatic Edge(paste for bandsaw blade) and Anchorlube.
@@Jack-yl7cc I've seen the fancy tip bits, but I'm not interested in anything that I can sharpen.
Thank you.
If i ever come to visit, im going to bring plenty of bottled water. A little nervous about where all your pipes are coming and going.
@@jonny-b4954 I've got plenty of potential... Not worried about that. Just worried about drinking poop water.
Again.
I'll be happy to have you for a visit, but I pretty much only thank garden hose drinkers for crew. : )
Please can you make a video about how the research is going?
It's great idea, and you shouldn't keep it secret!
Yeah, right between rebuilding the NP205 and upgrading the forward holding tank. : )
Man I can never work with bare feet. Even in the summer on my boat I can’t. Something psychological.
Ya start slow and work your way into it. : )
What the heck, buying name brand epoxy from West Marine? I have used a few gallons of it myself. I swear West Marine charges just to enter the stores.
LOL I think so too. ...I was immediately off to Home Depot for stir sticks and mixing cups.
Awesome, I'd rather weld bare foot than wearing flip flops anyways; can shake off the hot.
Wait....how fo you have a truck?
Rental
I have a good friend who spent almost the entirety of his career in aerospace. They don't pull a tool out of the drawer until they have a design that has been reviewed endlessly by committee after committee. My own approach is more like yours, where you do something that seems "about right", learn from it, and maybe revise it or even do it again. It bugs the hell out of my friend, but I can make forward progress faster than his approach. I keep reminding him "we're not building spacecraft here, buddy, everything we do stays on the ground. We can do it again if we have to."
LOL!! I did Oracle DBA work for Boeing for a while and nearly suffocated. Then went to ONEOK that was not really sure what an Oracle DBA did and had complete freedom. OMG what a culture shift and a pleasure it was to work for ONEOK.
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It's good to see I'm not the only one that welds barefoot😅 it's a Florida thing
Is Andy OK he hasn't posted anything on his build in over 3 months?
He's in school.
Soon.
👍🏼⬅️ for Doug & his STEEL TOES 😂😂😂 OH, BTW, all drill box's have missing drills. It's a sign that they are used 😊
Me too. I sharpen them until I loose too many and then get another set.
The SV Seeker has gone through the most extensive shakedown and continues to do so of any vehicle/craft that I've ever witnessed on the internet. Awesome job brother, [pun]when it comes to getting the lead out in close quarters, addressing issues, making improvements as you go, you got it covered.
I admire your attitude and proactive nature. Give yourself a pat-on-the-back from having a dream and then making it reality.., Your compass is dead on as you always appear to be sailing in the right direction.
We have an old saying here in NL Canada that goes: “Long may your big jib draw.” It means: May the wind always be in your forward sails.
Cheers & best of voyages to the SV Seeker and all those who sail her..
Boat life looks a lot like RV life. Constant repairs and modifications.
I've lived in a construction zone for most of my adult life and it's finally paying off. An early retirement and traveling the country in my converted mail truck. Life is good! I'll get the itch to build again at some point, but for now, traveling with the seasons will do nicely.
Next time you are welding or grinding under the smoke alarm you could stretch a rubber glove over the alarm. Just don't forget to take it off when you're done.
These are fancy. Ya just have to reach up and push the button. : )
A rail for block and tackle up in the bow area would sure make handling those anchors easier and also lessen the chance of injury if there is boat motion….
Yeah, I considered a little jib crane. ....maybe when I get older and more decrepit. : )
"We build them right because we've built them more than once." That was our unoffical motto when we built Oil Refineries 50 years ago.
I also like. "We don't have time to do it right, but we have time to do it twice."
I’m surprised somebody has not said your supposed to keep your double hose clamps rotated to each other according to ABYC standards lol
Ya just got to shake your head at some of the shit people think is important. And the ABYC standards are full of it.
The work is never truly done on a boat.
That's one of the things I love about boats. If you are bored, it's totally your problem because there is plenty to do.
@@SVSeeker I planning on moving down to TX be a lot closer to you.
@@jeffkrupke3810 I may be headed to Texas next, but after that I might be a long time before I'm back in the Gulf.
Maybe have to apply for crew position.
I have wasted the whole day watching your channel ....Guilty ..all very interesting
Time to get to work. ...you and me both. : )
Water is a catalyst for gorilla glue actually.
Yes, but it seems to work better on the thin brown stuff.