I’ve been an RN for 20 years. I had a pretty negative view of my career while I lived in middle-America where right-to-work was the name of the game. The last 5 I moved to Oregon though and have been actively involved in a nursing union. It’s been life-changing. Nursing is a fantastic career, when represented (and PAID) properly.
I don't know what's going to happen this country in the future. They're trying to bring back slavery one little policy at time. Both mainstream parties have been complicit in this. They want everyone to be slaves and only the very top level corporate elites deserve to make any money in their eyes for some reason. The rest of us should be happy working for scraps and when we resist that of course they claimed we deserve to be destitute or victims of violence. What a nice world.
As a nurse for many years, this young lady has most accurately described everything I have experienced during my nursing career. I feel that nursing is not meant to be a lifetime career, but rather you serve your sentence as long as you can to the profession and let the next generation/wave of nurses take the baton. 1)The toxicity of the health care system - insurance dictates your medical care. 2)The egos that are heavily based on "what you do in the hospital" is wildly out of control. 3) Hospital administration is unreasonably making health care decisions based on finances vs patient safety. If things go wrong, the nurse is the one reprimanded despite their efforts to prevent the matter. 4)The shear physical labor and mental exhaustion that happens as a nurse is detrimental on your long term health is not worth it. Money means nothing without your health. 5)The lack of respect for nurses - hospitals cannot function without them, yet nurses have to leave the job in order to make more money. Wild. 6) The exploitation of nurses - yes we actually need to make money even if we love what we do. 7) All the above facts the ANA/AMA is aware of, yet here we are. I'm done.
Agreed. I'm not a nurse but I'm aware of the problem. It's appalling. I don't know what's going to happen this country in the future. They're trying to bring back slavery one little policy at time. Both mainstream parties have been complicit in this. They want everyone to be slaves and only the very top level corporate elites deserve to make any money in their eyes for some reason. The rest of us should be happy working for scraps and when we resist that of course they claimed we deserve to be destitute or victims of violence. What a nice world.
You're absolutely right these are massive problems and I don't see them getting fixed anytime in the future. People are going to start dying in droves and COVID is going to look normal. More and more people are going to flee this abusive cruel environment that our ruthlessly predatory plundering robber baron for-profit hospital system is creating. I have no idea when this will end.
It's saddening for me that pretty much all of these points apply to my field as well (education). It's almost as though we as a society aren't prioritizing the people that make the whole system function!
Well said. I only cared for patients for a total of 5 years of my 22 years total. I keep my license but have worked at a desk in public health roles most of the last two decades. Nursing is not something you do for life, not in the slightest.
Yeah we need to change these things. Nurses and teachers are some of the most essential jobs in our society- we couldn't function without them. All useful jobs deserve to be compensated well but especially those two. We need many changes in laws and expectations regarding for working people in general. Some working people do make good money, but a lot don't and that's by design!
I currently make 130k as a nurse in Oregon and here's some other tips to make more money: -get a certification if your hospital pays more for it. I got a $2 per hour bump for getting my CCRN -wait until the last minute to pick up. Some hospitals offer additional pay if they get desperate -work two different jobs with very different work styles if you don't want to work more of your current job. I got a outpatient PACU job instead of picking up more in the ICU -if you work in a union state, know the contract forward and backward
Ahh yes good ol' incentive pay, I only pick up if it hits a certain level or if it'll carry me into OT. Some of those nights the shift had been a breeze too 😅
Retail pharmacists have also long been asked to work with no break, even if you were working a 12 hour shift (or more!). The chains FINALLY started closing in the middle of the day to allow the pharmacist a 30 minute break a few years ago (I think it's because we all keep threatening to unionize). But yeah, before that, there were days when you simply did not have time to take a proper break. Every pharmacist I know who was working before then in chain retail (myself included) has worked at least one twelve hour shift where they didn't eat or use the bathroom the entire day. It was ridiculous.
I'm a nurse in northern California. She is absolutely right about the importance of unions. My hourly pay would sound shockingly high, although with housing costs out here.....its a very middle class wage. BUT we have do have meal break requirements (and get paid an extra 1.25 hrs of pay if we miss our meal break) and even more importantly, STAFFING RATIOS. I have been a nurse here for 12 years, and I joke all the time that I can never move from California because I have never worked somewhere without staffing ratios. I truly don't know how nurses in other parts of the country do it. It should be absolutely UNACCEPTABLE to work without those safety measures. Imagine telling a Senator they can't have a meal break in 12 hrs, or that they have to have an insane workload, that can result in someone's medical injury or fatality if they don't succeed or make a mistake. They would sh*t themselves. Nurses across the country try deserve so much better.
Yes! Agreed. Love that comparison.. ask a senator to work 12 hours, no break.. they would take a two weeks vacation (paid of course with your tax dollars) to recover because they just worked sooo hard (sarcasm) 😆
I'm a nurse, 20+ years, and I also never wanted to do this. But was pressured/coerced to do it by family. Wanted to study computer science instead. So I had to pivot. Nursing is a brutal field, especially if you don't like it.
I’m a middle-age man with a wife and nursing school currently. Thank you very much for this talk. I learned the whole bunch and I appreciate both of you.
Just finished a BSN program 2 years ago, and frankly I'm terrified of my future career prospects. The nursing school system is toxic trash and if we arent careful, we are going to make the nursing shortage so bad it hits the level of a public heslth crisis. Nursing school fosters unhealthy attitudes and outdated educational philosophies. Its creating nurses who are bitter and burned out before they even get their licence!!! Its very common to say "nurses eat their young" but this situation is getting more dire every year. RN are fleeing and young women are realizing more and more that they have options outside of nursing and teaching in college. Sorry, I know that's not what this video is about, but it's been weighting on my heart for a while. I see MAs taking the place of nurses everywhere. I see nursing quiting and never returning. I see RNs running so fast to get their NPs that we dont have enough jobs for them to fill in my area! Nursing is going to die and Nursing Schools who insist on never changing are the cause! And we will all suffer.
My cousin gained a significant amount of weight since becoming a nurse. She clearly learned nothing about health and I believe she went to school same time as you and they skipped clinicals bc of COVID. 😅 It's terrifying that this is are health care systems standards.
@@Ann-op5kjyou can understand nutrition and diet and health but still gain weight, especially if you’re eating because of stress. Although I am always surprised when nurses are super overweight because they understand the health risks (hopefully)
56:17 Would love an interview with an adjunct professor, post-doc, and/or PhD student and how they deal with the challenges of finances and the academic workplace.
I made 1,200 a month as a German Language graduate assistant. I taught 5 classes a week, had to do my own lesson planning, help make the tests, grade all assignments and tests for my students, and have office hours. Then I had time to work on my research and reading. My roommate was a Math Graduate assistant. She taught two recitation hours (going over homework mostly) and grade tests once a month with the group, and hold office hours. Then she had time to do math research. She made 1,700 a month at the same university. The university was looking at getting rid of their married/family housing and the Students REVOLTED. We don't make enough money to rent from private landlords and the university would have to pay ALL graduate students more. They have since decided to keep their family housing units. University charged hundreds for parking on campus each month- same for students and staff. I was lucky in getting a very cheap 2 bedroom apartment for about 550 a month (not including utilities) and then split with a roommate.
Angela Collier on youtube (theoretical physicist) has a couple of videos talking about her perspective on academia as a career: "the postdoc exodus" and "the adjunct problem". Girl goes OFF.
Just got to the bit about dental health. My hubby calls them "luxury bones" because of how difficult it is to maintain good dental health with no insurance.
Dental care REALLY is a class divide. Example: I grew up in extreme poverty with a disabled mom. We got one visit a year to do a checkup and ALL work needed. I had to have 5 root canals in ONE DAY at 17 and the state wouldn't cover caps because they are "cosmetic" which they with root canals they are ACTUALLY necessary. So, I have raw (technically dead because they have no nerve root to keep them alive) tooth ready to crack and crumble away. It led to so many issues. -- BTW I needed these root canals because of an accident (physical) that damaged a bunch of teeth. In college I was having to have molars pulled one at a time because of this issue and only being able to afford 1 at a time even with a discount as a student. After college, entering the legal editor job I have today, I got insurance. I was able to get a care credit card and insurance cover the bulk. I was able to get two porcelain crowns, and start the process to get all my dental issues (from years of an ED 🤮I've now recovered from), then to get invisible braces to fix my bite, and an implant to replace a tooth I'm noticeably missing (it wasn't savable back at 17) It is like day and night the difference between living in a household that (with SSI) was at max 15K a year and living in a household that is 50k a year. And though it took 10 years of work to get through school for this career, but it was worth it.
ICU RN Turned WFH here . Love this content. I had to get out of the South to make a living wage. The suppression of wages because of the lack of unions has lead to the worst working conditions when it collides with patients having more comorbitdiites and unrealistic expectation of the level of service that can be provided.
Thanks for taking to a nurse!! Been a nurse for a little over a year and grappling with the job stress and pay outlook right now. Hopefully I figure out a way to earn a little bit more and maybe find a lower stress position ❤
Walking really does make a HUGE difference in your day to day life - more than the gym ever could. I moved to FL and I got annual passes to our biggest theme parks. I walk so much more just going and enjoying a few rides every couple days, and walking outside in the beautiful sun. My health changed so much. I naturally dropped 30lbs in a few months (I think like 4) without any effort or big changes to diet. Though, I did also gain muscle, which is good. And I've been sleeping better, like 7-9 hours a night. And my mood has been better. The only downside is sometimes my shoes hurt my feet if I didn't wear the right ones.
Canadian Labour and Delivery RN/BSN for 25 years! Loyalty to yourself needs to be paramount. There is so much moral and ethical distress, as well as potential for physical and psychological injury within the profession. Currently pursuing a career change to Psychologist as my "post nursing retirement job". Lots of options for taking care of ourselves...
I got my RN 13 years ago at age 43 and worked in home health pediatrics my whole career to this point. It was my path into the middle class and my first career-level job. Nursing is a very diverse profession, with some jobs that are low stress and pay less and others that are really challenging but more lucrative. This will be my first year making over 100K, but I work 51 hrs a week and overtime is absolutely necessary to get by in my high-ish COL city. This career was the best decision I ever made.
I am on the fence about nursing school, I am 43. I’ve been working I healthcare in various roles for 10 years but the challenge of trying to work full time and also go to nursing school feels like a huge barrier. All the programs in my area say you basically cannot work full time and go to school at the same time. Which is…frankly impossible for a working adult unless their spouse makes a lot of money.
Thank you for introducing your audience to the struggle that its the immigration process. Also thank you for acknowledging the privilege that people from Cuba have, specially compared to other Latino people.
20:30 - I like this point. And to this point I believe Being patriotic is speaking out against the things that are bad, and actively working to change them because democracy is about change. We fight for the rights of others, not just ourselves, because of love for the people of our country. We are far from the best, but we also are not the worst. And pointing our our flaws IS showing love and patriotism, whereas just accepting things and never working to better our country (and telling people to just leave if they dislike something) is the opposite of being patriotic.
I’ve been on the fence about nursing school and struggle to decide whether or not I should go for my RN and BSN vs doing something else because I already work in healthcare and while I love the work I am exhausted by it too. I am a paramedic/ff and have retired from the fire service. Private ambulance is an exploitative industry that runs their crews in to the ground. Now I work in the hospital as an ER tech but I have to work full time to live. And all of the nursing schools in my area are old fashioned and require so much in person class time and prerequisites I’m basically looking at starting school from scratch despite providing care in the field for a decade. And on top of it the cost is astronomical and all of the schools have told me that in order to complete their program I basically cannot work full time. Their advice to me was to just save up two years of living expenses! 😂 Feels like I should look to some other career, which sucks because I absolutely love the work of patient care. Torn. 😔
I went to nursing school post partum while working full time. Most of my class had people working at least part time. Maybe it's different here in Florida.
@@FloridaTriniThe expectation of the schools in my area of WA state have all told me they expect students to either not work at all or only part time. During COVID they transitioned to mostly online but have since returned to full time in school classes which makes it really hard on people like me who have to work full time. I'm not sure how I am going to manage. :(
Chelsea - if you think TN is wild. I just moved to FL last year. Our "break laws" are zero. No job is required to offer a lunch nor are they required to offer a break. One of my husband's co-workers works at The Cheesecake Factory on weekends, she'll be given 12 hours shifts with no breaks or lunches. -- Now a LOT of jobs here do offer breaks and lunches, cuz they want to be able to have staff and people can get a new job in a snap in tourist towns BUT they aren't required to do so, so there is nothing you can do if they don't give you a break on a specific day. --- Which I'm from OR/WA originally, where we have some of the strongest employee favoring laws around breaks so this is WILD to me here in the south.
I'm in Florida too and I've worked 16 hour shifts without breaks as a nurse. If you try to gobble up a quick snack at the nurse's station while charting, you get in trouble. I just say thank goodness I'm not a diabetic nurse.
@@FloridaTrini My husbamd is a type 1 diabetic and they kept ignoring his needs till he passed out at a safety position where they could have been sued, disability is a protected class federally. And after his HR found out I work in law when I came to pick him up after EMTs helped him they suddenly made exceptions for him, and his job already chose breaks. I can’t imagine if his job didn't give him breaks and lunch.
I'm a pct in a hospital in rhe south and this episode was extremely relevant to me. Thanks for the awesome interview! In my hospital, they are raising the pay to 33.50 an hour. For nurses. As a pct I started at 15 an hour.
15 omg I was irritated because my pay dropped from $21 an hour to $16 an hour as a PCT. I lost money joining this profession but I hear it will make me more money as a nurse later.
My step-uncle was born and raised in Mexico. He met my step-auntie when she went to Mexico to live and work and learn more about the part of her heritage. He met her after she'd been there a while and become her second husband. They married in Mexico and moved to the USA. Since she was a citizen of the USA he was able to get documents based on the marriage. He spent years working toward getting citizenship. He started the journey in the 2000's and didn't achieve his goal until 2021, and that included having to spend the whole year of 2020 deported because their state deported everyone, even legally here, for "C-vid reasons." So yes, it can be a long process with a lot of hardship so being able to get citizenship in one year is definitely a privilege, though let's be fair it is only a privilege in this one sense, because not being YT really sets people back in the USA.
Chelsea, your Spanish sounds fantastic! The way you described it sounds very comparable to my own, and I am a fluent heritage speaker. That's really impressive for only 2 years of study that's not in an immersive setting.
MD here ladies please get your pap smears!! Cervical cancer is so preventable if you get your recommended Pap smears! Also would love to see you speak with someone about the finances of MD/DO education. It includes on average 250K of student debt and 3-7 years of training before getting full “doctor salary” because of these barriers most MD/DO students come from upper middle class backgrounds because they can have a family that supports them through education and training.
I LOVE Ryann from her content about her and Ramon, and it was so lovely to hear her talk in depth about her experience with nursing! Excited for this season of the Financial Confessions to continue.
Really enjoyed this episode. I’ve been waiting for a nurse to be interviewed. This was spot on! I think an interesting point to make about nurse doctor interactions and gender is I often feel like male nurses get so more respect from physicians. Particularly with male physicians I feel like male ICU nurses have this “bro” like relationship.
On the language learning conversation: that is all so true!! My 1st lang is English, 2nd French, 3rd Spanish. I never really thought about it until this convo, but I think I’ve learned to handle my anxiety better in general in all aspects since I got comfortable w people not understanding me. I also agree that Spanish speakers tend to be much kinder when mistakes are made than French people, however in my experience living in the SW of France, I found that way more people would be kind about my French mistakes than in a place like Paris. I find that people (Americans) have a stereotype that French people are super mean about everything, and in my travels I found that that is almost completely untrue. I know that’s not what Chelsea was saying obvi, but I wanted to throw it out there for others 😂 Anyway I’m SO hyped for this season of TFC. I’m glad y’all are switching it up w the levels of privilege for the guests. I can’t wait to see what’s to come!
Being a facilitator 🙌🙌yes! I hate gatekeepers, especially in nursing! Travelers, always gatekeeping their salary. We need to support each other. There is plenty to go around!
@@terrishabuckley7753oftentimes, a program is not necessary. However, it's more seamless to attend a NAACLS approved program. Some offer AA degrees, some offer BAs and others offer just a certification. After your program you'll have to take a national test through ASCP. A more organic way is to look for "lab aide", or laboratory assistant positions in pathology laboratories. During the hiring process, if you say that you are interested in becoming a histo-tech, there is often ways they can sponsor you into a program or at least provide you training to be an unlicensed tech for often a year with the assumption that you will study for the national exam on your own.
Hands down favorite line from this: "The way that we approach men doing anything remotely emotionally intelligent is like when a dog learns a really impressive trick." -Chelsea 🙌🏼
I've been a nurse for 11 years and it's very different from when I started. Ryann's absolutely right that how she's doing it is really the only way to make money. I just want to point out that that nursing is very specialized. There are somethings that are the same everywhere and then things that can be radically different based on different units or care areas. (I worked Rehab/ nursing home for 8 years, have done AL and MC for about 8 as PRN, and 3 yrs med/surg/ortho/neuro, with almost 1 as Charge). You can't fully understand a unit or speciality bouncing around. I am one of the believers that you need to stay in an area for about 1-2 yrs to really learn it. Plus you need to be at a job for a year for any FMLA leave, and working and pumping in nursing is very hard. That being said, I'm trying to drop my old school mentality and anxiety of the unknown and trying to be more like her. It's super hard to leave having the institutional knowledge of how things work, solve problems and connections for a job where you don't know what the culture is like and have to start over. I'm going to be reassessing my career in a year and try to be more like Ryann. (I'm currently 8 months pregnant with my 3rd).
I learned Japanese in high school and college. I get self conscious about it, I always tell people I'm bad at it, I don't know enough, etc. even when people disagree and say I'm doing better than I think I am. I think it is a universal feeling for learning a second language that we all feel like we're doing worse than we are.
41:30 THIS! When you hear people (often older generation) say you should be loyal to a company and work your way up to be successful because that's what they experienced. But then you see the price companies are willing to pay to bring people in instead of retain! I've seen this too often in the healthcare sector. Gotta vote with your feet - leave in good standing just in case, but don't fear moving around.
I've been a CNA the last 5 years in the ER and 99% of the time the nurses & doctors eat at their desk tbh, im on night shift so management isnt there plus all of them have been nurses in the department so they completely understand
Like to see a video on a teacher south of the Mason Dixie line make 120k working 36 hours a week. The catch is that the teacher still works as a teacher and in the south. Godspeed!
OMG Ryann, thank you for reminding me to setup my Flu shot for this year. I do it in Jan now, since our Flu seasons is different in FL than it was in OR.
I’m an LPN whose career was mostly in the correctional field and the opportunity to make money is way better than the hospital. Idk how many times I’d ask new BSN how much they were paid at the hospital and I was more every time! Then I found Homecare. Homecare is the best! Some patients only need one thing completed and it is so fulfilling! I have time to truly treat the whole person and not just the disease process.
I was wondering where I recognised the voice since I’m not really on tiktok and then I realised it’s bc I saw the video on twitter where Ramon got the cable bill cheaper 😅
Everyone has a different path and experience working as a Nurse. However, if the nursing profession continues to make fun of male nurses, old nurses or young nurses...we have no hope of changing the public's opinion of us. We have to set the example that we are highly educated, always learing and are pivotal members of the heath care team. While caring is an important aspect of being a nurse, you have to get paid properly to provide the caring. I could say more but I won't...this was not a helpful interview.
As a nurse with 30 years of experience and educated outside the US all I can say is that nursing school in US don’t teach what they supposed to. Here BSN is a glorified vocational diploma school, and very expensive. Very little attention to practice and lots of academic theories. New grads coming out of schools have very little practical knowledge. Basic things are not taught. They afraid to approach tasks. Some senior nurses are to blame for not helping them. But my advice to young nurses is to compensate for lack of education in nursing school by being proactive, having hunger to learn new things. Don’t make everything about the money. Be the most competent and productive person you can be. The money will come to you.
Lmao yes us french people are insufferable with languages 😂 (and other things lol) constantly correcting each other and people we barely know like making a mistake is insulting somehow
Huh, I was just commenting today that French people were so nice to me when I was a teen taking French, but I started at 11 and was past French 3 by the time I first visited Paris, so maybe that was the difference
The take on male nurses bothers me a little. I'm not entirely sure how the majority of the nursing profession interacts with male nurses, and maybe that's a source of the take seen here. But I've worked with male nurses across ICU, Emergency, Dialysis and the wards, and while they're not all superstars, on average, there is just much less conflict, and they are usually very easy to work with. I'm not sure what that's from, maybe it is a gender-based bias that I have, but it's not because they're more "emotionally intelligent" than I expect, it's because they are more straightforward.
I have a lot of male RN coworkers and for the most part they’re great. Honestly I would say there were only a couple out of all of them who I wouldn’t want to be my own nurse.. the same ratio of good to bad as women
French people in France will be assholes to you if you make mistakes as a French language learner, but I wonder about African and Caribbean groups who speak French 🤔 I also wonder how Spaniards treat Spanish language learners. Something about being European makes me think they would also share that unforgiving trait with the French from France, sorry 😅
I’ve been an RN for 20 years. I had a pretty negative view of my career while I lived in middle-America where right-to-work was the name of the game. The last 5 I moved to Oregon though and have been actively involved in a nursing union. It’s been life-changing. Nursing is a fantastic career, when represented (and PAID) properly.
I don't know what's going to happen this country in the future. They're trying to bring back slavery one little policy at time. Both mainstream parties have been complicit in this. They want everyone to be slaves and only the very top level corporate elites deserve to make any money in their eyes for some reason. The rest of us should be happy working for scraps and when we resist that of course they claimed we deserve to be destitute or victims of violence. What a nice world.
It’s why I’ll never leave California. I know how good we have it.
Agree.
@@tracyaf6084 CA is the best state for nursing.
As a nurse for many years, this young lady has most accurately described everything I have experienced during my nursing career. I feel that nursing is not meant to be a lifetime career, but rather you serve your sentence as long as you can to the profession and let the next generation/wave of nurses take the baton.
1)The toxicity of the health care system - insurance dictates your medical care.
2)The egos that are heavily based on "what you do in the hospital" is wildly out of control.
3) Hospital administration is unreasonably making health care decisions based on finances vs patient safety. If things go wrong, the nurse is the one reprimanded despite their efforts to prevent the matter.
4)The shear physical labor and mental exhaustion that happens as a nurse is detrimental on your long term health is not worth it. Money means nothing without your health.
5)The lack of respect for nurses - hospitals cannot function without them, yet nurses have to leave the job in order to make more money. Wild.
6) The exploitation of nurses - yes we actually need to make money even if we love what we do.
7) All the above facts the ANA/AMA is aware of, yet here we are. I'm done.
Agreed. I'm not a nurse but I'm aware of the problem. It's appalling. I don't know what's going to happen this country in the future. They're trying to bring back slavery one little policy at time. Both mainstream parties have been complicit in this. They want everyone to be slaves and only the very top level corporate elites deserve to make any money in their eyes for some reason. The rest of us should be happy working for scraps and when we resist that of course they claimed we deserve to be destitute or victims of violence. What a nice world.
You're absolutely right these are massive problems and I don't see them getting fixed anytime in the future. People are going to start dying in droves and COVID is going to look normal. More and more people are going to flee this abusive cruel environment that our ruthlessly predatory plundering robber baron for-profit hospital system is creating.
I have no idea when this will end.
It's saddening for me that pretty much all of these points apply to my field as well (education). It's almost as though we as a society aren't prioritizing the people that make the whole system function!
Well said. I only cared for patients for a total of 5 years of my 22 years total. I keep my license but have worked at a desk in public health roles most of the last two decades. Nursing is not something you do for life, not in the slightest.
Yeah we need to change these things. Nurses and teachers are some of the most essential jobs in our society- we couldn't function without them. All useful jobs deserve to be compensated well but especially those two.
We need many changes in laws and expectations regarding for working people in general.
Some working people do make good money, but a lot don't and that's by design!
I currently make 130k as a nurse in Oregon and here's some other tips to make more money:
-get a certification if your hospital pays more for it. I got a $2 per hour bump for getting my CCRN
-wait until the last minute to pick up. Some hospitals offer additional pay if they get desperate
-work two different jobs with very different work styles if you don't want to work more of your current job. I got a outpatient PACU job instead of picking up more in the ICU
-if you work in a union state, know the contract forward and backward
Ahh yes good ol' incentive pay, I only pick up if it hits a certain level or if it'll carry me into OT. Some of those nights the shift had been a breeze too 😅
Retail pharmacists have also long been asked to work with no break, even if you were working a 12 hour shift (or more!). The chains FINALLY started closing in the middle of the day to allow the pharmacist a 30 minute break a few years ago (I think it's because we all keep threatening to unionize). But yeah, before that, there were days when you simply did not have time to take a proper break. Every pharmacist I know who was working before then in chain retail (myself included) has worked at least one twelve hour shift where they didn't eat or use the bathroom the entire day. It was ridiculous.
PA here and also will often not get a break. Most of our (Mandatory) meetings are on our "lunch break". And i work in California!
I'm a nurse in northern California. She is absolutely right about the importance of unions. My hourly pay would sound shockingly high, although with housing costs out here.....its a very middle class wage. BUT we have do have meal break requirements (and get paid an extra 1.25 hrs of pay if we miss our meal break) and even more importantly, STAFFING RATIOS. I have been a nurse here for 12 years, and I joke all the time that I can never move from California because I have never worked somewhere without staffing ratios. I truly don't know how nurses in other parts of the country do it. It should be absolutely UNACCEPTABLE to work without those safety measures. Imagine telling a Senator they can't have a meal break in 12 hrs, or that they have to have an insane workload, that can result in someone's medical injury or fatality if they don't succeed or make a mistake. They would sh*t themselves. Nurses across the country try deserve so much better.
Yes! Agreed. Love that comparison.. ask a senator to work 12 hours, no break.. they would take a two weeks vacation (paid of course with your tax dollars) to recover because they just worked sooo hard (sarcasm) 😆
Senators wouldn’t know what you are talking about. They don’t know the meaning of hard work.
Staffing ratios are key.
I'm a nurse, 20+ years, and I also never wanted to do this. But was pressured/coerced to do it by family. Wanted to study computer science instead. So I had to pivot. Nursing is a brutal field, especially if you don't like it.
But there are so many opportunities in Nursing. You can pivot to Informatics or CDI. There is so much to Nursing than bedside.
I’m a middle-age man with a wife and nursing school currently. Thank you very much for this talk. I learned the whole bunch and I appreciate both of you.
Just finished a BSN program 2 years ago, and frankly I'm terrified of my future career prospects. The nursing school system is toxic trash and if we arent careful, we are going to make the nursing shortage so bad it hits the level of a public heslth crisis. Nursing school fosters unhealthy attitudes and outdated educational philosophies. Its creating nurses who are bitter and burned out before they even get their licence!!! Its very common to say "nurses eat their young" but this situation is getting more dire every year. RN are fleeing and young women are realizing more and more that they have options outside of nursing and teaching in college.
Sorry, I know that's not what this video is about, but it's been weighting on my heart for a while. I see MAs taking the place of nurses everywhere. I see nursing quiting and never returning. I see RNs running so fast to get their NPs that we dont have enough jobs for them to fill in my area!
Nursing is going to die and Nursing Schools who insist on never changing are the cause! And we will all suffer.
Already there
My cousin gained a significant amount of weight since becoming a nurse. She clearly learned nothing about health and I believe she went to school same time as you and they skipped clinicals bc of COVID. 😅 It's terrifying that this is are health care systems standards.
Where are you nursing? If you’re in middle America, I’d say move. Nursing in Oregon is fantastic.
The Medical Laboratory profession is very similar, but with lower pay
@@Ann-op5kjyou can understand nutrition and diet and health but still gain weight, especially if you’re eating because of stress. Although I am always surprised when nurses are super overweight because they understand the health risks (hopefully)
56:17 Would love an interview with an adjunct professor, post-doc, and/or PhD student and how they deal with the challenges of finances and the academic workplace.
Lol its not a very fun talk. Despair abounds.
I made 1,200 a month as a German Language graduate assistant. I taught 5 classes a week, had to do my own lesson planning, help make the tests, grade all assignments and tests for my students, and have office hours. Then I had time to work on my research and reading.
My roommate was a Math Graduate assistant. She taught two recitation hours (going over homework mostly) and grade tests once a month with the group, and hold office hours. Then she had time to do math research. She made 1,700 a month at the same university.
The university was looking at getting rid of their married/family housing and the Students REVOLTED. We don't make enough money to rent from private landlords and the university would have to pay ALL graduate students more. They have since decided to keep their family housing units.
University charged hundreds for parking on campus each month- same for students and staff.
I was lucky in getting a very cheap 2 bedroom apartment for about 550 a month (not including utilities) and then split with a roommate.
Angela Collier on youtube (theoretical physicist) has a couple of videos talking about her perspective on academia as a career: "the postdoc exodus" and "the adjunct problem". Girl goes OFF.
I second this! I am pursuing a career as a professor and this is one of my main concerns.
@@eggrat6 Buckle up
I've been in the medical field for 7 years and a nurse for 3. Very good conversation! She's spot on! Thank you TFD for bringing a nurse on.
Just got to the bit about dental health. My hubby calls them "luxury bones" because of how difficult it is to maintain good dental health with no insurance.
Dental care REALLY is a class divide. Example: I grew up in extreme poverty with a disabled mom. We got one visit a year to do a checkup and ALL work needed. I had to have 5 root canals in ONE DAY at 17 and the state wouldn't cover caps because they are "cosmetic" which they with root canals they are ACTUALLY necessary. So, I have raw (technically dead because they have no nerve root to keep them alive) tooth ready to crack and crumble away. It led to so many issues. -- BTW I needed these root canals because of an accident (physical) that damaged a bunch of teeth.
In college I was having to have molars pulled one at a time because of this issue and only being able to afford 1 at a time even with a discount as a student.
After college, entering the legal editor job I have today, I got insurance. I was able to get a care credit card and insurance cover the bulk. I was able to get two porcelain crowns, and start the process to get all my dental issues (from years of an ED
🤮I've now recovered from), then to get invisible braces to fix my bite, and an implant to replace a tooth I'm noticeably missing (it wasn't savable back at 17)
It is like day and night the difference between living in a household that (with SSI) was at max 15K a year and living in a household that is 50k a year. And though it took 10 years of work to get through school for this career, but it was worth it.
ICU RN Turned WFH here . Love this content. I had to get out of the South to make a living wage. The suppression of wages because of the lack of unions has lead to the worst working conditions when it collides with patients having more comorbitdiites and unrealistic expectation of the level of service that can be provided.
Thanks for taking to a nurse!! Been a nurse for a little over a year and grappling with the job stress and pay outlook right now. Hopefully I figure out a way to earn a little bit more and maybe find a lower stress position ❤
Walking really does make a HUGE difference in your day to day life - more than the gym ever could. I moved to FL and I got annual passes to our biggest theme parks. I walk so much more just going and enjoying a few rides every couple days, and walking outside in the beautiful sun. My health changed so much. I naturally dropped 30lbs in a few months (I think like 4) without any effort or big changes to diet. Though, I did also gain muscle, which is good. And I've been sleeping better, like 7-9 hours a night. And my mood has been better. The only downside is sometimes my shoes hurt my feet if I didn't wear the right ones.
Finally a nurse video, thank you TFD!
As a redhead, who learned to speak Spanish fluently as an adult and has been an RN for 8 years. I feel so seen!!
Canadian Labour and Delivery RN/BSN for 25 years! Loyalty to yourself needs to be paramount. There is so much moral and ethical distress, as well as potential for physical and psychological injury within the profession. Currently pursuing a career change to Psychologist as my "post nursing retirement job". Lots of options for taking care of ourselves...
I got my RN 13 years ago at age 43 and worked in home health pediatrics my whole career to this point. It was my path into the middle class and my first career-level job. Nursing is a very diverse profession, with some jobs that are low stress and pay less and others that are really challenging but more lucrative. This will be my first year making over 100K, but I work 51 hrs a week and overtime is absolutely necessary to get by in my high-ish COL city. This career was the best decision I ever made.
I am considering going to nursing school at 47. I make 130k a year now but it’s in a corporate setting and it’s meaningless to me
I am on the fence about nursing school, I am 43. I’ve been working I healthcare in various roles for 10 years but the challenge of trying to work full time and also go to nursing school feels like a huge barrier. All the programs in my area say you basically cannot work full time and go to school at the same time. Which is…frankly impossible for a working adult unless their spouse makes a lot of money.
@@Aud_the_Odd The only way I was able to pull it off was with a small inheritance that propped me up financially for 2 years.
Thank you for introducing your audience to the struggle that its the immigration process. Also thank you for acknowledging the privilege that people from Cuba have, specially compared to other Latino people.
20:30 - I like this point. And to this point I believe Being patriotic is speaking out against the things that are bad, and actively working to change them because democracy is about change. We fight for the rights of others, not just ourselves, because of love for the people of our country. We are far from the best, but we also are not the worst. And pointing our our flaws IS showing love and patriotism, whereas just accepting things and never working to better our country (and telling people to just leave if they dislike something) is the opposite of being patriotic.
If you want another random profession where tons of people are underpaid for the value of work they do I am happy to represent public defenders.
Yes!
And district attorney assistants
I’d love to see Chelsea interview a public defender or an immigration attorney!
I’ve been on the fence about nursing school and struggle to decide whether or not I should go for my RN and BSN vs doing something else because I already work in healthcare and while I love the work I am exhausted by it too. I am a paramedic/ff and have retired from the fire service. Private ambulance is an exploitative industry that runs their crews in to the ground. Now I work in the hospital as an ER tech but I have to work full time to live. And all of the nursing schools in my area are old fashioned and require so much in person class time and prerequisites I’m basically looking at starting school from scratch despite providing care in the field for a decade. And on top of it the cost is astronomical and all of the schools have told me that in order to complete their program I basically cannot work full time. Their advice to me was to just save up two years of living expenses! 😂 Feels like I should look to some other career, which sucks because I absolutely love the work of patient care. Torn. 😔
I went to nursing school post partum while working full time. Most of my class had people working at least part time. Maybe it's different here in Florida.
@@FloridaTriniThe expectation of the schools in my area of WA state have all told me they expect students to either not work at all or only part time. During COVID they transitioned to mostly online but have since returned to full time in school classes which makes it really hard on people like me who have to work full time. I'm not sure how I am going to manage. :(
"loyalty to the hospital will not pay" that's true for most companies, really
It really depends.. at my hospital I get a pension still, and the wages are competitive due to the unions being strong in my area.
Chelsea - if you think TN is wild. I just moved to FL last year. Our "break laws" are zero. No job is required to offer a lunch nor are they required to offer a break. One of my husband's co-workers works at The Cheesecake Factory on weekends, she'll be given 12 hours shifts with no breaks or lunches. -- Now a LOT of jobs here do offer breaks and lunches, cuz they want to be able to have staff and people can get a new job in a snap in tourist towns BUT they aren't required to do so, so there is nothing you can do if they don't give you a break on a specific day. --- Which I'm from OR/WA originally, where we have some of the strongest employee favoring laws around breaks so this is WILD to me here in the south.
I'm in Florida too and I've worked 16 hour shifts without breaks as a nurse. If you try to gobble up a quick snack at the nurse's station while charting, you get in trouble. I just say thank goodness I'm not a diabetic nurse.
@@FloridaTrini My husbamd is a type 1 diabetic and they kept ignoring his needs till he passed out at a safety position where they could have been sued, disability is a protected class federally. And after his HR found out I work in law when I came to pick him up after EMTs helped him they suddenly made exceptions for him, and his job already chose breaks. I can’t imagine if his job didn't give him breaks and lunch.
I'm a pct in a hospital in rhe south and this episode was extremely relevant to me. Thanks for the awesome interview!
In my hospital, they are raising the pay to 33.50 an hour. For nurses.
As a pct I started at 15 an hour.
15 omg I was irritated because my pay dropped from $21 an hour to $16 an hour as a PCT. I lost money joining this profession but I hear it will make me more money as a nurse later.
21:00 They actually start talking about nursing
My step-uncle was born and raised in Mexico. He met my step-auntie when she went to Mexico to live and work and learn more about the part of her heritage. He met her after she'd been there a while and become her second husband. They married in Mexico and moved to the USA. Since she was a citizen of the USA he was able to get documents based on the marriage. He spent years working toward getting citizenship. He started the journey in the 2000's and didn't achieve his goal until 2021, and that included having to spend the whole year of 2020 deported because their state deported everyone, even legally here, for "C-vid reasons." So yes, it can be a long process with a lot of hardship so being able to get citizenship in one year is definitely a privilege, though let's be fair it is only a privilege in this one sense, because not being YT really sets people back in the USA.
Chelsea, your Spanish sounds fantastic! The way you described it sounds very comparable to my own, and I am a fluent heritage speaker. That's really impressive for only 2 years of study that's not in an immersive setting.
I'm a public health nurse in MA and I wish my local health department offered all the services she mentioned 😭
MD here ladies please get your pap smears!! Cervical cancer is so preventable if you get your recommended Pap smears!
Also would love to see you speak with someone about the finances of MD/DO education. It includes on average 250K of student debt and 3-7 years of training before getting full “doctor salary” because of these barriers most MD/DO students come from upper middle class backgrounds because they can have a family that supports them through education and training.
I LOVE Ryann from her content about her and Ramon, and it was so lovely to hear her talk in depth about her experience with nursing! Excited for this season of the Financial Confessions to continue.
Really enjoyed this episode. I’ve been waiting for a nurse to be interviewed. This was spot on!
I think an interesting point to make about nurse doctor interactions and gender is I often feel like male nurses get so more respect from physicians. Particularly with male physicians I feel like male ICU nurses have this “bro” like relationship.
great conversation! So helpful to hear a professional in any field talk numbers with regards to actual pay.
On the language learning conversation: that is all so true!! My 1st lang is English, 2nd French, 3rd Spanish. I never really thought about it until this convo, but I think I’ve learned to handle my anxiety better in general in all aspects since I got comfortable w people not understanding me. I also agree that Spanish speakers tend to be much kinder when mistakes are made than French people, however in my experience living in the SW of France, I found that way more people would be kind about my French mistakes than in a place like Paris. I find that people (Americans) have a stereotype that French people are super mean about everything, and in my travels I found that that is almost completely untrue. I know that’s not what Chelsea was saying obvi, but I wanted to throw it out there for others 😂
Anyway I’m SO hyped for this season of TFC. I’m glad y’all are switching it up w the levels of privilege for the guests. I can’t wait to see what’s to come!
Being a facilitator 🙌🙌yes! I hate gatekeepers, especially in nursing! Travelers, always gatekeeping their salary. We need to support each other. There is plenty to go around!
i’ve seen ryann on my fyp a few times but i had no idea she was a nurse or that she was so thoughtful. i really loved this interview.
Travel lab tech here. Histology techs also have unions out in California. And pay is great too. It was crazy expensive out there tho
How do you become a histology tech?
@@terrishabuckley7753oftentimes, a program is not necessary. However, it's more seamless to attend a NAACLS approved program. Some offer AA degrees, some offer BAs and others offer just a certification. After your program you'll have to take a national test through ASCP.
A more organic way is to look for "lab aide", or laboratory assistant positions in pathology laboratories. During the hiring process, if you say that you are interested in becoming a histo-tech, there is often ways they can sponsor you into a program or at least provide you training to be an unlicensed tech for often a year with the assumption that you will study for the national exam on your own.
Hands down favorite line from this: "The way that we approach men doing anything remotely emotionally intelligent is like when a dog learns a really impressive trick." -Chelsea 🙌🏼
I've been a nurse for 11 years and it's very different from when I started. Ryann's absolutely right that how she's doing it is really the only way to make money. I just want to point out that that nursing is very specialized. There are somethings that are the same everywhere and then things that can be radically different based on different units or care areas. (I worked Rehab/ nursing home for 8 years, have done AL and MC for about 8 as PRN, and 3 yrs med/surg/ortho/neuro, with almost 1 as Charge).
You can't fully understand a unit or speciality bouncing around. I am one of the believers that you need to stay in an area for about 1-2 yrs to really learn it. Plus you need to be at a job for a year for any FMLA leave, and working and pumping in nursing is very hard.
That being said, I'm trying to drop my old school mentality and anxiety of the unknown and trying to be more like her. It's super hard to leave having the institutional knowledge of how things work, solve problems and connections for a job where you don't know what the culture is like and have to start over. I'm going to be reassessing my career in a year and try to be more like Ryann. (I'm currently 8 months pregnant with my 3rd).
I’ve been in healthcare 23 years. I’ve always heard that more than half of all credentialed RNs refuse to work bedside healthcare.
Ryann is my favorite!!! Love her and Ramon, can't wait to hear what she has to say
that's one of the best TFD conversations. Thank you, Chelsea! and thank you so much for sharing your story, Ryann!
This was amazing! Ryann is so real and has, IMO, a great and pragmatic approach to striking the right balance btw a vocation and a career.
I learned Japanese in high school and college. I get self conscious about it, I always tell people I'm bad at it, I don't know enough, etc. even when people disagree and say I'm doing better than I think I am. I think it is a universal feeling for learning a second language that we all feel like we're doing worse than we are.
41:30 THIS! When you hear people (often older generation) say you should be loyal to a company and work your way up to be successful because that's what they experienced. But then you see the price companies are willing to pay to bring people in instead of retain! I've seen this too often in the healthcare sector. Gotta vote with your feet - leave in good standing just in case, but don't fear moving around.
Omg Ryan!!!!!! The collab I never thought would happen!!! I love her!!! Ah! Can’t wait to watch tomorrow
I would love to see a first gen on the channel or anyone who’s responsible for chronically sick family members
I feel so seen by Chelsea! Currently in Lyon trying tp learn French at 28. My instructors are ruthless. I feel so behind.
No job rewards loyalty, they always pay someone new more than their loyal staff.
I've been a CNA the last 5 years in the ER and 99% of the time the nurses & doctors eat at their desk tbh, im on night shift so management isnt there plus all of them have been nurses in the department so they completely understand
Like to see a video on a teacher south of the Mason Dixie line make 120k working 36 hours a week. The catch is that the teacher still works as a teacher and in the south. Godspeed!
OMG Ryann, thank you for reminding me to setup my Flu shot for this year. I do it in Jan now, since our Flu seasons is different in FL than it was in OR.
Wishing I had learned that loyalty doesn’t pay a little sooner in my career.
I’m an LPN whose career was mostly in the correctional field and the opportunity to make money is way better than the hospital. Idk how many times I’d ask new BSN how much they were paid at the hospital and I was more every time! Then I found Homecare. Homecare is the best! Some patients only need one thing completed and it is so fulfilling! I have time to truly treat the whole person and not just the disease process.
Also I can make over $100 an hour if I time my visits right ;)
My two loves in one video, cant wait to watch!!
Is there a way to not see the ad segment if we sign up for the paid tier?
What is it with dentists who try to have a conversation with you while they're cleaning your teeth? You can't really reply😂
Omg I spied her pic on the thumbnail and got excited.
OMG I love Ryann! I nevvvvver imagined this collab
I was wondering where I recognised the voice since I’m not really on tiktok and then I realised it’s bc I saw the video on twitter where Ramon got the cable bill cheaper 😅
I'm such a fan!!!🎉🎉🎉
What a crossover!!!
I grew up in Eagle Pass!
Everyone has a different path and experience working as a Nurse. However, if the nursing profession continues to make fun of male nurses, old nurses or young nurses...we have no hope of changing the public's opinion of us. We have to set the example that we are highly educated, always learing and are pivotal members of the heath care team. While caring is an important aspect of being a nurse, you have to get paid properly to provide the caring. I could say more but I won't...this was not a helpful interview.
Wow, I've never seen nurses answer questions to patients. They always defer to the doctor, and I assumed for liability
You can answer questions related to a diagnosis that a doctor already provided
And help educate on condition
VIVA FIDEL! Comrade Chelsea ❤
Lol have you been to Cuba? The dictatorship is definitely not distributing the wealth
My gf and I love her TikToks
As a nurse with 30 years of experience and educated outside the US all I can say is that nursing school in US don’t teach what they supposed to. Here BSN is a glorified vocational diploma school, and very expensive. Very little attention to practice and lots of academic theories. New grads coming out of schools have very little practical knowledge. Basic things are not taught. They afraid to approach tasks. Some senior nurses are to blame for not helping them. But my advice to young nurses is to compensate for lack of education in nursing school by being proactive, having hunger to learn new things. Don’t make everything about the money. Be the most competent and productive person you can be. The money will come to you.
Lmao yes us french people are insufferable with languages 😂 (and other things lol) constantly correcting each other and people we barely know like making a mistake is insulting somehow
Huh, I was just commenting today that French people were so nice to me when I was a teen taking French, but I started at 11 and was past French 3 by the time I first visited Paris, so maybe that was the difference
The take on male nurses bothers me a little. I'm not entirely sure how the majority of the nursing profession interacts with male nurses, and maybe that's a source of the take seen here. But I've worked with male nurses across ICU, Emergency, Dialysis and the wards, and while they're not all superstars, on average, there is just much less conflict, and they are usually very easy to work with. I'm not sure what that's from, maybe it is a gender-based bias that I have, but it's not because they're more "emotionally intelligent" than I expect, it's because they are more straightforward.
I have a lot of male RN coworkers and for the most part they’re great. Honestly I would say there were only a couple out of all of them who I wouldn’t want to be my own nurse.. the same ratio of good to bad as women
Yeah you’re just sexist buddy.
French people in France will be assholes to you if you make mistakes as a French language learner, but I wonder about African and Caribbean groups who speak French 🤔 I also wonder how Spaniards treat Spanish language learners. Something about being European makes me think they would also share that unforgiving trait with the French from France, sorry 😅
Sorry. Not to that hair 😳🙈
She had
Me until her love of vaccines came out.😮