"So says the slave to the free man." Ironic, coming from a race completely under the control of Etherials, who command them to do anything they wish in the name of the 'Greater good.'
@@THEGRUMPTRUCK Pretty sure that was a retcon that came out after this game was released to get the Tau on the same "grimdumb" level as the rest of the galaxy.
You just can't disrespect the size of the balls from both sides Kais is a fully nobleright reasonable commander, willing to bargain but not show weakness but Thule is a fully grimdark zealous commander that knows better than to betray his heritage and those burns omfg This was the best game from Dawn of War series
Honestly tho. I like dawn of war 2 but the campaign just doesn't hit it for me. The tyrannids being the main enemy ment that nearly every scene was just space marines talking all the time. The fun of warhammer is watching these extreme ideologies clash, but there's very little of that aside from SM kinda shitting themselves over the tyrannids.
All the WH40K games were on sale recently, and I've never played any of them but heard good things, so I bought DoW 1 and all it's expansions for like 13 bucks combined. Hands down some of the best voice acting in a video game I've ever experienced, even compared to StarCraft, which was the first game I've ever played. And the gameplay! So good for an RTS, I love how it focuses on army composition and tactics rather than micro and APM. I've already put like 40 hours in the original DoW, Dark Crusade, and Soulstorm combined in less than a week. To anyone reading this wondering if you should get DoW 1, it's very similar to Company of Heroes, but easier to get a hang of.
If bargaining is offering to spare your life and tell you lies they will inevitably not uphold for the pleasure of being their slaves and servants... Then I guess he's a good bargainer!
In Romance of the Three Kingdoms, each side has merit to their rule and ways to preserve it. No protag/ antagonists, just heroes by the Ancient Greek meaning ones who made a big impact upon the world. Or like how Fable does it and help bandits raid a farm, then still be a Hero in that regard.
if only soulstorm had as much effort and love as Dark Crusade. Literally Soulstorm has an escort mission with a space marine rhino (basic, no army scheme just green) and its treads don't even move.
I love how frustated the Tau gets, "c'mon buddy we can be friends", "you can be friends with the rounds in my bolter xeno", "there's no need for violence, sir", "SHUT YOUR MOUTH HERETIC!!"
The Tau could do with power fists considering how bad they are in close combat but the Fire Caste are extremely good at dakka as the greenskin menace would say.
jimthecheesecrumpet With super mobile jump suits firing 8 shots a round better than bolters, they are amazing at dakka. We have 1 good 'powerfist.' Ap 1 STR 10 at our initiative, but we only get one attack with it.
+Andreazor Except for the part it's a retarded part. O Kais is a slave to his ethereals, and Thule as space marine fights because he's loyal to the Emperor (or at least he thinks so, given that chapter master Kyras is already corrupted), not because his superiors emit mind-controlling pheromones.
+Hyper Space Marines are brainwashed and indoctrinated from the day they are taken into the Chapter. Their minds broken down and remolded into obedient soldiers. Programmed to obey without question. Both are slaves. I mean Abaddon and the rest of older marines in the Chaos side comment on how marines of this day and age are not like the marines of the past. "‘These, my brothers, are the thin-blooded, mind-scrubbed children that the Imperium has birthed in our absence. These are our inheritors." -Abaddon the Despoiler During the Great Crusade marines can be said to have followed the Emperor with genuine loyalty but now? There is no true loyalty in these modern day marines.
"Do the deaths of your soldiers mean so little to you? Are you that MAD?" "Do the deaths of yours mean so much to you, alien? Are you that weak?" Vulkan: Now now now, hold on a minute.
This is why Vulcan can't return to the setting, there MAY actually be peace between certain races and the imperium that he would no doubt be wiling to broker.
@@whiteeye3453 old tau didnt have mind control fuckery with the ethereals, they used to actually be cool but then fans started shitting themselves over a good faction being added to the setting so now tau are shit now, only good tau faction is farsight enclaves lmao
@@apolloknight9521 Although I have nothing against Tau being the good guys, it just doesn't fit the grim dark setting. Imagine this: You're in a wine store, then suddenly you see a shelf displaying soap. Sure it can be top-grade soap, but your first instinct is "WTF is this doing here?" and not "Oh this soap is awesome"
They both knew they're speaking reason in an unreasonable universe. Humans by this point is indeed enslaved by mysticism that even the worships of ancient weapons is a reality. But one has to understand that such worships is a necessity for deamons, psychic powers and magic DO exist in this universe. Anything else would end up with the already fragile Imperium falling apart, daemons invading real space - and without the Imperium, Tyranids would swarm the whole galaxy. Even the Necrons of today's lore acknowledges that the Imperium is needed to stand for as long as it can to thwart the Tyranid threat while the Eldari are even helping to revive Primarchs to push back against the very real threat of the warp. While the Tau on their part do speak reason at how horrific the Imperium is. Reason that in today's real world of ours do make sense. Yes, the Tau had their shortcomings too, but they are indeed doing their best to at least speak sense before going guns blazing.
@@Macwylee I took it to mean that Space Marines exist for one purpose and one purpose only: to be the warriors of an Emperor who is remembered falsely and was pretty sketchy even to begin with. There are very, very few people in the Imperium who are NOT slaves to something.
A lot of the pathos of this mission is lost when I deploy a vehicle beacon and bring in 40 disposable gun drones to purge North Vandea's relics without risking a single life. "Do the deaths of your soldiers mean so little to you? Are you that mad?!" "Do the losses of your pancake-shaped robots mean so much to you, alien? Are you that weak?" "Oh, wait, no, not really. Oops!"
Hey, Por'vre, I feel like our pancakes are really great and could convert a lot of people to the Greater Good! All they need is a little extra *bang*. IHOP: International House of Placed [Charges].
I particularly like this one because I can sympathise with both sides. "This bloodshed is unnecessary. We'd all be better off if we united" vs. "We will never surrender to your forced rule, and our duty to defend thus place is more important than our own lives".
I love them as well, untill i get to their base. Then i cry in the corner for thousand seconds. Then i take morphium, lsd, pray to every god, and then play that mission I Remember having heart attack in CoH2 after meeting german snipers in Stalingrad. I thought im about to turn into ww1 shellshocked veteran
@@lollikabosso.w.n7153 The Tau stronghold in DC is easily the most brutal stronghold across all DC and SS strongholds for sure. Even the Eldar don't give me that level of blood pressure.
I love how the Tau Empire have their "shining-force-for-justice" facade well-defined but still properly balanced out with having rather questionable policies and cringeworthy levels of naiveté without looking too "tsundere". Kudos to GW for pulling that off successfully.
Damn, the Dark Crusade commander dialogues do an amazing job of summing up the personality of the factions in only a few lines. O'Kais's dialogue with Thule epitomizes the conflict between the Imperium and the Tau.
The Blood Ravens VS the Thousand Sons. Magnus: Ah, Astartes while I would prefer to destroy Leman's barbarians you will suffice for now. Thule: You will not destroy us traitor! We shall shatter your forces like the Space Wolves did on Prospero. Magnus: Arrogant fool. Relic Capture. Thule: Our faith in the Emperor will not be broken by you Daemon! Magnus: My father failed me once and here he fails you. Thule: All you Daemons do is lie, the Emperor will not abandon us here! Magnus: You're right about that.... He abandoned you long ago. Stronghold breach. Magnus: It's over captain.... Surrender, your Primarch commands you. Thule: Be silent you blasphemous Daemon! You dare insult our grand Primarch!? Magnus: Be logical captain, how else could you have this many capable Psykers?
boy oh boy, the blood ravens will shit the entire bed if they ever get spelled out to them that magnus is indeed the lost primarch they are oblivious to all along
Ironically, the Tau are slaves to the Ethereals due to some kinds of shenanigans with the Ethereals...Plus their rigid caste system is even WORSE than India's was...so yeah, the Tau are slaves in gilded cages.
DWatchRazgriz depends if you talk about the empire in general or the enclaves, because last time i read farsight created a lot of commotion in the empire with his rebellion, making loyalist tau support him
Bernardo Lima Last I read, it wasn't really support as much as "don't send military forces after the Farsight enclave unless we want to lose them due to assassinations of Ethereals causing our troops to defect"
zillafire101 Incorrect. The Greater Good chose *you* before you were ever born. Your leaders are in control. Your reproduction is planned. Your glory is shared. Your "allies" are slaves. A man chooses. A slave obeys. (breaking character, I love the Tau. They're the only relatively reasonable faction in the game, and I love giant gunner mechs)
HellChuggapri1 (I really like them too, mostly for the unique model range. Anime-esque Tau, savage, barbarian Kroot, Vespids, and Geu'vesa. Kinda makes me wish more auxiliaries got some attention.)
"They preach humanity's purity and superiority yet gladly throw away millions of lives if they believe it can help them win even one battle" yes and of course. i works really well from them
@*Youssef Zidan* trying to compare the two is like comparing a bear (Imperium) vs a porcupine (tau) the bear would get hurt but not by a hole lot probably just bleed and bit while the porcupine no longer fucking exist outside of the bears stomach
@Mihail Golubovic When did a caste system become the same thing as communism haha If you don't know what communism is, maybe you're the real "commie fucker" and just don't realize it :^) But then again, based off your name, maybe you really are one o3o
@@whisperingshadowXI in the same way that your are guilty based in you social group, your are guilty for the things that you caste do. I mean, Tau doesnt believe in individual freedom but in colective rights.
The question is, why would the Ethereals ever do that? Even if they are conditioned to obey the Ethereals utterly, they are not actively controlled by the Ethereals individually. As for pheromones, it's never implied, it's simply often mentioned that it's the Imperium's leading theory. Keep in mind, it's only because of the Ethereals that the Tau didn't kill themselves off thousands of years ago. They might simply be kinda grateful.
@@jovialmonster757 considering farsight is wielding a chaos demon possessed sword, I’m just waiting for the day GW goes “surprise! Chaos tau! That’s why they don’t need ethereals!”
@@Ryanfinder226by the looks of the sword it resembles more necron technology or maybe a Ctan relic, I would totally buy a Ctan starting to possess Farsight or him becoming one with it
Hyper In the Dark Crusade? Since when the hell did they let the opposition have the chance of surrender, last I played it the Necrons wanted to purge the world of all life or one way or another still kill or enslave ya We on the same footing here I thought we are talking about the game
Refusing to send people to their probable deaths is a great quality in a human being. In a general, though? It's more likely to just result in more deaths. Besides, any insult Thule delivers is going to feel weak anyway, since this is the last stand mission for the blood ravens. Even if he means it, it'll feel like empty bravado for the most part.
"you won't stop our faith so easy" "we literally aren't even trying to question your faith believe whatever you want, we just want a galaxy that doesn't make 1984 look like a high fantasy setting
Late but Fun Fact: When O'Kais said that the tau empire would respect your faith if only you would see reason what he is saying is actually true itself many humans who actually pledge their loyalty towards the tau and their "Greater Good" are actually still have faith towards the god emperor himself which is actually cool for me it really shows that when the tau would say most of it is actually true I just don't understand why in the ending for the tau in the dark crusade they committed horrendous atrocities towards humans to the point of almost having only few left probably they are still xenophobic itself that is just my theory.
This is a cool exchange but my favourite will always be the ones where Tau go up against Chaos, where eliphas is trying to taunt O'kais and O'kais has no warp connection so he can't eve hear him.
According to the Inquisitor rulebook, Daemons and other Warp-spawn creatures can hardly detect a Tau in the area, even in plain sight. Also, they are very resistant to mind control. The rest of psychic powers affect them as they do to everybody else. And I like this new dark side of them, although their original naiveté was what truly made me fall in love with them.
Tau are my favourite army from DoW (except, perhaps, for Dark Eldar, although I just love DE sadist and totally decadent background). I finished both DC and SS with them and I agree with the endings. In fact, I see some connection between the Tau and the Emperor´s behaviour during the Great Crusade, allowing everybody to join their side and fight against Evil. Also, the Tau are the perfect race from the Emperor´s point of view: there are no gods or religion, trust science only.
@@bayarsejar5831 Yes, IMO the tts emperor is less cringe than his canon counterpart because tts is a comedic series and the emperor often called out for being a jerk and a hypocrite, while the canon emperor tries so hard to make himself looks good while making to biggest tyrannical empire in the entire galaxy. TLDR: Canon emperor is cringe.
@@lich109 Only 'cos all the neckbeards started whining _"But muh Grimderp!"_ After all, Greater Good forbid we have at least one race in this f*cked-up setting that *ISN'T* overwhelmingly edgy...
@@PeteTheGrouch That was unrelated, Mont'ka is single-handedly the worst book GW wrote because it gets everything wrong, and unfortunately it is canon.
@@lich109 _Meh,_ what GW considers canon or not, hasn't really mattered to me for a long time... Age of Shitemar, for example, is considered "canon"; yet, as far as me & TW: Warhammer are concerned, that shit doesn't exist..!
John Isaac Felipe Not saying they're anywhere near as bad as other factions, I'm saying that with what they currently do they are pretty bad compared to other franchise factions.
Oh hahahah you got me there. you are right but in the 40 k universe, they are the closest we can get for a protagonist ( protagonist in a sense of doing good)
John Isaac Felipe I tend to ignore GW's latest fluff on the Tau. For me (I picked them up when they were released), I'm a strong believer in the Tau fluff of the greater good.
EvilBakaCat The Tau Empire is like the Soviet Union while the Imperium is more like the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, North Korea, the British Commonwealth and the Japanese Empire all rolled into one despotic machine.
Shas'Okais:Do the Deaths of your soldiers mean that little to you are you really that mad? Thule: Do the deaths of your means that much to you are you really that weak? Me:No Thule that just makes him a better Commander and person.
Tau be like: "yo bro your God is chill and all, we don't gotta be killing eachother and shit." SM: "I'll show you chill when all the heat leaves your body you filthy fucking alien." Tau: "... Well alright then :/"
To be fair, the imperium is sort of in debt to the emperor for saving their existence from the very grip of chaos, in all honesty I think what they do that is actually PURE GOOD, is them repaying that debt, Sure its a good "Burn" but imo they aren't slaves, they're the children that owe their father deeply for his sacrifice
Jarod Lares They're fanatics and kill anyone who doesn't follow the clearly "corrupt" higher ups rules (I'm just saying, living for a long time doesn't do all that good to your psyche, even if you're more machine than flesh). In a sense they're worse than the other faction in that they won't go into an alliance with the stronger factions to pulverize Chaos and the Nids, Orks and Necrons.
Xekon Waldläufer I mean they’re in an alliance with the eldar now but, that’s because they’re united under their god of death if it wasn’t for the sweet assurance that slaanesh can’t touch them in the after life they’ll sell out any man in a second to save their own especially since the flow of logic is that they’re not only the better race but also the lesser in numbers which makes their lives more valuable than how many imperial lackeys there are.
It's for the greater good that they stay in their cast in which is where they will be the most useful the greater good is not about the individual it is about benefiting those around you rather than meet your selfish dreams of fame and power which will help no one
Gue'vesa: hey uh Commander I know I'm not Tau and just a human but I'm pretty much veteran now, can I lead my fellow human instead?, it will make communication easier Tau: NO
@@hggs4466 Interesting how this selfless forced cooperative system results in the ethereals being pampered with ridiculous levels of luxury while the lower castes go without. I'm sure that's all necessary for the greater good. It's also interesting that you say selfish dreams and powers don't help anyone. Alexander of Macedonia was quite selfish and fame-hungry, though his conquests left the world a greater place, increasing trade and cooperation long even after his empire fell. Many entrepreneurs do not give until they hurt, instead they may choose to give within their means. So they can fund their apparent selfish desires... Which results in... The assembly line which made cars affordable to the common man, the light bulb which revolutionized the human condition, or even the invention of the laws of logic by Aristotle. I'm sure that one had absolutely no personal ambition involved... I'm sure he was a wise chilled out guru that just wanted to serve others... It is better when one is not selfish, but has always been disastrously consequential when you try to force people with a boot to not be selfish, rather than it coming from within. Most of those who claim to work for the greater good or for others, are lying. Very few actually mean what they say, and those people very often do not say it in the first place. The missionaries that go abroad and help troubled peoples by investing time, effort, and money into serving strangers' communities... whether that be spreading knowledge or helping create infrastructure... None of these people are praised. Few recognized. But the profitable self proclaimed charities that take 90% of the money raised to pay their workers and administration? It's expected to give to them, because they are self proclaiming virtue. What about the RUclipsrs that make shorts about how they fed a mere 100 people with poorly constructed sandwiches (When personal, ambitious projects that were honest and transparent, fed many, many more people and much more effectively) made with white bread and processed cheese, mayo, a slice or two of meat and maybe lettuce. A production budget of maybe a couple hundred bucks even if, which makes tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of views. Those get unending support and love. Overwhelming support. If you even dare question the motives, you are just jealous pessimist. Yet the person who dedicated his free time working in a soup kitchen, feeding tens of thousands of people over his lifetime. "Oh, that's cool I guess." You cannot force a person to be compassionate. If it does not come from the heart, one will only appear compassionate to meet a quota. Whether it is rewarded or forced. And these societies, every one we know of, that has tried to force communal life and cooperation... We know it's a scam to funnel money to the leadership and elites. Often used to overthrow current elites and create new ones. Yet personal ambition plus a sense of community leads to things like fraternal societies and mutual aid, which offered healthcare so cheap and so effective, other doctors convinced the government to ban this form of competition. Socialized healthcare wishes it could replicate such results, even in the few countries that are small and homogeneous and responsible enough that they barely make it work and turn a slight to moderate positive. Tell me, where does invention or innovation come from if the human spirit is oppressed? Thankfully for the Tau, they got theirs from plot armor. Even though they are supposed to be a parody/critique... I guess they needed some selling factor or reason they wouldn't be immediately wiped out, so high tech this or that from primitive to high tech within a few hundred years, etc etc. Maybe, just maybe they work differently on a biological and social level that such a forced caste system could be a positive. But I don't think there's any official material to suggest that, and there's not much reason to believe they are mentally that much different from how humans are in terms of social relationships, institutions, and general being. They just seem to be blue humans with various physical quirks. Even if we assumed the system they have set up now is somehow the most efficient or reasonable one for their own species, that's certainly a far cry from how humans work. And you would think such a wise people would realize that when seeking to expand their empire for... their own personal ambitions... Would the greater good call for a culling of incompatible species? Maybe it would be too much work or effort to find a way to incorporate humans, and a variety of other alien species. I realize I probably gave far too many real world examples, but the real world examples prove the ridiculousness of this concept whether or not any particular writer decides to simp for the Tau and give them arbitrary plot armor or success. It is a much more... objective standard. Yes, this is fantasy. But many humans bring fantasy in the real world, and many times have the consequences been disastrous. Typically, the WH40k universe tends to be morally ambiguous. Not in a particularly clever way, just because if they tried to put in serious morality at least on a top level like making a faction the good guys, they'd really screw up most likely. Which is why the Tau are clearly not good guys, because they would make awful good guys. They are clearly not moral, the ethereals are obviously power hungry and raging hypocrites. And the Tau and greater good are a rather clear parody, much like the Imperium of Man. And the Eldar.
I have this entire thing memorized because of the free demo that I got, god knows from what, but it was literally just that mission where you have to kill this dude and nothing else
Degrees of freedom. Nobody in 40k is truly free except for some gods, specific Eldar and Necron Overlords. The Tau are the closest to collective freedom as a race gets in this universe at least.
@@yoursonisold8743 not even gods are free. Look at big E. He;s stuck on the golden throne , otherwise the galaxy is doomed. Heck , even the chaos gods are stuck into a loop of doing the only things they have done for centuries for the simple reason tht the masses believe them to only do that. They are like preprogramed simulations , stuck doign a repetitive task over and over and over with no personality outside of wanting to do said task
Coming back to this, its kinda ssd to see O'Kias in the current lore. A barely sane, mentally broken man who sees himself more as a weapon and now openly talks about carrying out genocide of Tau alien citizens.
God that music shows how intense this really is and brings manly tears to my mortal eyes. One hand has a commander desperately trying to save the lives of innocent men who are merely fighting tooth and nail for their home, their faith, and Emperor And on the other you have that man who respects, honors, and venerated his heritage, his people, his Empire that no matter the words or the cost he won't betray the people he calls his, the Empire he swore to protect, and the Emperor he swore to uphold. Such small lines demonstrate the true brutal truth of war there are no good or bad guys just 2 sides fighting for what they believe to be just.
Wow. At first, I thought the Tau was right. Then I heard the human say the line about heresy and the Emperor, and... I realized they're both right. They're both powerful. They're both perfect, incredible, and doomed. Warhammer 40,000 is awesome.
One Tau: This is all for the greater good All Tau: *THE GREATER GOOD* Space Marine: How can this be for the greater good? All Tau: *THE GREATER GOOD* Space Marine: SHUT IT!
Still the Imperivm proved to be one of most powerful empire in the grim future. They could have some flaws but they are succeding in not letting their empire fall, they even face most of the threats the galaxy has.
I know it's literally 16 years old but I really wanna do this and do a "What if" if the covenant from halo was in dawn of war dark crusade XD Intro: Arbiter: Your death has come, demons. Thule: It is YOU that have come to your death alien! Arbiter: such bravado and yet we have you cornered like heretics you are. Thule: Blasphemous alien scum, brothers attack! Relic Capture: Thule: You will not break our spirit and faith alien! The emperor protects us! Arbiter: and yet we have slaughtered so many of your fellow brothers and yet we have not seen a single divine intervention by your so called "GOD", truly you humans are a stain to the great journey and the galaxy as whole if your petty little religion is all that drives you. Thule: We will kill you, no matter the cost! End: Arbiter: bring out your sword and fight with honor demon, it is time to end this! Thule: C'mon then, your death awaits!
Heck, on Taros the tau got the whole population and the imperial guard forces to join them and rebel before they even invaded, the two armies then beat the space marines and other imperial guard when they tried to liberate the planet!
Because he held the human form as sacred above all else (in a non-religious sense), and exterminating any and all aliens was a part of Imperial doctrine even before the fundamentalist worship started seeping in.
Evil Lincoln Not true, the Emperor always held mankind above all else, but during the Great Crusade, aliens were subdued or destroyed. The Emperor held mankind above all other species, but he did not wish all other species to be destroyed. They DID however have to answer to man. So if an alien species accepted mankind as their overlords, they would not be destroyed. The Emperor wished for peaceful coexistence (with us on top, of course) where possible.
well kind of, during the age of strife many aliens atack or control the human planets, so the emperor thinks that he cant trust the aliens, have horus come in terms with the interex maybe the imperium would be diferent
+zillafire101 they have more material confort... not freedom. The imperium doesn't tell you who to have sex with... nor does it ban marriage... or the right to know and educate your children
Yeah, it does. The Imperium basically dictates every aspect of your entire life for you. If you step out of line even once and get caught, there's a few outcomes, but almost all of them end in your immediate or eventual death. The Tau Empire isn't perfect, but they treat the occupants of captured worlds remarkably better than the Imperium ever did. This is explicitly stated in the codex.
+Drake Jellison not every imperial world is Cadia or Armaggedon. outside of fortress worlds; death worlds; and hive worlds (wich are not that numerous to begin with) the standards of living are close if not superior to that of most people in the world today (at least if you follow the latest edition which toned down the grimderp). Furthermore, the Imperium does not police your everyday life (even if it wanted it doesn't have the resources to do so). For example you have freedom of religion (as long as you don't go and practice silly bullshit like human sacrifice). Most of the time the administratum just handwave difference by explaining that local deity names are just low gothic differences translated to 'God emprah' in High Gothic. But sure, you can put your chips on the xenos who litterally use mind controlling brain worms (google it's cannon) and whom allied species have a nasty tendency to be wiped out by unknown diseases (only for said worlds to be converted ito sept soon after) So I stand by my original point. As farsight realised it, even a servitor has more free will than a Tau
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"Better destruction than bondage."
A statement that angers Slaanesh more than it does the Tau.
Visage of Len'neigh, mon'keigh
Khorne is pleased
Depends on the context
"So says the slave to the free man." Ironic, coming from a race completely under the control of Etherials, who command them to do anything they wish in the name of the 'Greater good.'
@@THEGRUMPTRUCK
Pretty sure that was a retcon that came out after this game was released to get the Tau on the same "grimdumb" level as the rest of the galaxy.
The voice acting is above and beyond the standards that would have been required for this game.
+Pavie B Soulstorm balanced the scales though. The voice acting was truly atrocious.
WEEE HAV LOSST UUUUU
WE HAVE NO TIME TO BE LOST
BATTLE BRUVVERS!
These guys understood their characters, and really became vested in them. That’s what this quality of voice acting tells me anyhow.
"Do the deaths of your soldiers mean so little to you, are you that mad?!"
"And do the deaths of yours mean so much to you, alien? Are you that WEAK?"
Get wrecked Tau.
+AVoiceOfOpinion93 If anything, that's further strengthening the Tau argument.
"Hottest burns since Sallamanders"
"Holiest roasts since Prospero"
Thunder Psyker- sirca 016,M.2
0-999=M1, 1000-1999=M2, 2000-2999=M3, so you're off by a thousand years.
@@Tech-Kaplan-Kali I approve.
You just can't disrespect the size of the balls from both sides
Kais is a fully nobleright reasonable commander, willing to bargain but not show weakness
but
Thule is a fully grimdark zealous commander that knows better than to betray his heritage
and those burns omfg
This was the best game from Dawn of War series
Honestly tho. I like dawn of war 2 but the campaign just doesn't hit it for me. The tyrannids being the main enemy ment that nearly every scene was just space marines talking all the time. The fun of warhammer is watching these extreme ideologies clash, but there's very little of that aside from SM kinda shitting themselves over the tyrannids.
All the WH40K games were on sale recently, and I've never played any of them but heard good things, so I bought DoW 1 and all it's expansions for like 13 bucks combined. Hands down some of the best voice acting in a video game I've ever experienced, even compared to StarCraft, which was the first game I've ever played. And the gameplay! So good for an RTS, I love how it focuses on army composition and tactics rather than micro and APM. I've already put like 40 hours in the original DoW, Dark Crusade, and Soulstorm combined in less than a week.
To anyone reading this wondering if you should get DoW 1, it's very similar to Company of Heroes, but easier to get a hang of.
If bargaining is offering to spare your life and tell you lies they will inevitably not uphold for the pleasure of being their slaves and servants... Then I guess he's a good bargainer!
In Romance of the Three Kingdoms, each side has merit to their rule and ways to preserve it.
No protag/ antagonists, just heroes by the Ancient Greek meaning ones who made a big impact upon the world.
Or like how Fable does it and help bandits raid a farm, then still be a Hero in that regard.
if only soulstorm had as much effort and love as Dark Crusade. Literally Soulstorm has an escort mission with a space marine rhino (basic, no army scheme just green) and its treads don't even move.
I love how frustated the Tau gets, "c'mon buddy we can be friends", "you can be friends with the rounds in my bolter xeno", "there's no need for violence, sir", "SHUT YOUR MOUTH HERETIC!!"
The folly of the naive water-caste.
All that is required for diplomacy is Ambassador Boltgun and Consular Power Fist.
The Tau could do with power fists considering how bad they are in close combat but the Fire Caste are extremely good at dakka as the greenskin menace would say.
jimthecheesecrumpet
With super mobile jump suits firing 8 shots a round better than bolters, they are amazing at dakka.
We have 1 good 'powerfist.' Ap 1 STR 10 at our initiative, but we only get one attack with it.
CheezitNinja One power fist shot that may or may not have cost me a god-hammer pattern land raider in the past.
+Iambic Pendragon Lol best ambassador and consular ever :P
"So says the slave to the free man." I love that part.
Slave to the free man.
Freeman.
Gordan Freeman.
Half life Warhammer 40k crossover confirmed!
I've used that quote in political arguments before, actually!
+Andreazor Except for the part it's a retarded part. O Kais is a slave to his ethereals, and Thule as space marine fights because he's loyal to the Emperor (or at least he thinks so, given that chapter master Kyras is already corrupted), not because his superiors emit mind-controlling pheromones.
+Hyper
Space Marines are brainwashed and indoctrinated from the day they are taken into the Chapter. Their minds broken down and remolded into obedient soldiers. Programmed to obey without question. Both are slaves.
I mean Abaddon and the rest of older marines in the Chaos side comment on how marines of this day and age are not like the marines of the past.
"‘These, my brothers, are the thin-blooded, mind-scrubbed children that the Imperium has birthed in our absence. These are our inheritors."
-Abaddon the Despoiler
During the Great Crusade marines can be said to have followed the Emperor with genuine loyalty but now? There is no true loyalty in these modern day marines.
+Dr Blutonium
Slave to the free man.
Freeman.
Jordan Freeman.
Portal Warcraft crossover confirmed.
"Do the deaths of your soldiers mean so little to you? Are you that MAD?"
"Do the deaths of yours mean so much to you, alien? Are you that weak?"
Vulkan: Now now now, hold on a minute.
Vulkan dilemma time
I always wondered how vulkan would react to the tau. Superficially they have a great deal in common.
@Ttegegg Vulkan hates xeno's due to his childhood. And has shown bouts of pure hatred when fighting them. Especially the Eldar.
@@notana.i9423 bro still got Traumatized from accidentally killing that one Eldar child
This is why Vulcan can't return to the setting, there MAY actually be peace between certain races and the imperium that he would no doubt be wiling to broker.
“So says that slave to the free man”
That one hits me hard.
said slave himself
@@whiteeye3453 old tau didnt have mind control fuckery with the ethereals, they used to actually be cool but then fans started shitting themselves over a good faction being added to the setting so now tau are shit now, only good tau faction is farsight enclaves lmao
@@tachyon7904 yeah and now I’ve seen most fans thinking that the Tau would be better off as the decent or good guy faction.
@@apolloknight9521 Although I have nothing against Tau being the good guys, it just doesn't fit the grim dark setting.
Imagine this: You're in a wine store, then suddenly you see a shelf displaying soap. Sure it can be top-grade soap, but your first instinct is "WTF is this doing here?" and not "Oh this soap is awesome"
@@theotv5522 The good guys being the smallest and weakest faction in the entire setting is still pretty grimdark bro
There's a lot of good burns in this one, for both sides.
They both knew they're speaking reason in an unreasonable universe. Humans by this point is indeed enslaved by mysticism that even the worships of ancient weapons is a reality. But one has to understand that such worships is a necessity for deamons, psychic powers and magic DO exist in this universe. Anything else would end up with the already fragile Imperium falling apart, daemons invading real space - and without the Imperium, Tyranids would swarm the whole galaxy. Even the Necrons of today's lore acknowledges that the Imperium is needed to stand for as long as it can to thwart the Tyranid threat while the Eldari are even helping to revive Primarchs to push back against the very real threat of the warp.
While the Tau on their part do speak reason at how horrific the Imperium is. Reason that in today's real world of ours do make sense. Yes, the Tau had their shortcomings too, but they are indeed doing their best to at least speak sense before going guns blazing.
That's such a metal line "So says the slave to the free man" Tau going hard af
"So says the slave to the _free man."_
11/10 would quote any time.
He says as he is a mind controlled slave forced into a class based society or else he exterminated.
What did he mean by this?
@@Macwylee I took it to mean that Space Marines exist for one purpose and one purpose only: to be the warriors of an Emperor who is remembered falsely and was pretty sketchy even to begin with.
There are very, very few people in the Imperium who are NOT slaves to something.
@@Nverdis everyone in existence is a slave to something, either to duty and heritage, to ideology, or to the appetites of the self.
A lot of the pathos of this mission is lost when I deploy a vehicle beacon and bring in 40 disposable gun drones to purge North Vandea's relics without risking a single life.
"Do the deaths of your soldiers mean so little to you? Are you that mad?!"
"Do the losses of your pancake-shaped robots mean so much to you, alien? Are you that weak?"
"Oh, wait, no, not really. Oops!"
"Now that I think of it we should outfit our hubcaps with explosives."
Hey, Por'vre, I feel like our pancakes are really great and could convert a lot of people to the Greater Good! All they need is a little extra *bang*.
IHOP: International House of Placed [Charges].
Hey, Tau treat their drones like pets! They would be totally sad if they all got destroyed
Drones, being sacrificed for the greater good: excuse me wtf
No need to sacrifice drones either, Kayuon fire warriors and skyrays can take out them from halfway across the map with vision
Definitely my favourite dialogue in the game, and the choice of music really added to the drama of this fight.
I particularly like this one because I can sympathise with both sides. "This bloodshed is unnecessary. We'd all be better off if we united" vs. "We will never surrender to your forced rule, and our duty to defend thus place is more important than our own lives".
*HOTTEST BURN SINCE THE SALAMANDERS*
*HOLIEST ROAST SINCE PROSPERO*
Too far
I love the Tau. I'm IG all the way, but the Tau are cool as fuck.
Reddit tier weebs
I love them as well, untill i get to their base. Then i cry in the corner for thousand seconds. Then i take morphium, lsd, pray to every god, and then play that mission
I Remember having heart attack in CoH2 after meeting german snipers in Stalingrad. I thought im about to turn into ww1 shellshocked veteran
@@lollikabosso.w.n7153 The Tau stronghold in DC is easily the most brutal stronghold across all DC and SS strongholds for sure. Even the Eldar don't give me that level of blood pressure.
They're so fun to play and stylish as fuck. Mont'ka X8 suits and hammerhead gunships are ridiculously powerful
"So says the slave to the free man" That delivery, holy fuck
It's actually pretty funny when you think about it. Two equally-deluded men trading blows with each other.
One deluded man, and one true servant of the Tau'va. ;)
One who wants peace and justice. For all things. And one who is ignorant and shortsighted and wants to burn everything thats different.
yes however the peace and justice mandate the subjugation and death of all those who disagree and can't be converted
Marley oh well
yeah it's just fun to watch to zealots argue and kill eachother
I love how the Tau Empire have their "shining-force-for-justice" facade well-defined but still properly balanced out with having rather questionable policies and cringeworthy levels of naiveté without looking too "tsundere". Kudos to GW for pulling that off successfully.
Kemonokami "It's not like i wanna protect the universe with you or anything, b'ka!"
Ike of Pyke yare yare daze
@Zoomer Waffen
So says the dumbass that knows nothing at all about Salamanders lore.
Going full tsundere is what Chaos is for.
@Zoomer Waffen You're the german equivalent of a weeb my dude
Damn, the Dark Crusade commander dialogues do an amazing job of summing up the personality of the factions in only a few lines. O'Kais's dialogue with Thule epitomizes the conflict between the Imperium and the Tau.
The Blood Ravens VS the Thousand Sons.
Magnus: Ah, Astartes while I would prefer to destroy Leman's barbarians you will suffice for now.
Thule: You will not destroy us traitor! We shall shatter your forces like the Space Wolves did on Prospero.
Magnus: Arrogant fool.
Relic Capture.
Thule: Our faith in the Emperor will not be broken by you Daemon!
Magnus: My father failed me once and here he fails you.
Thule: All you Daemons do is lie, the Emperor will not abandon us here!
Magnus: You're right about that.... He abandoned you long ago.
Stronghold breach.
Magnus: It's over captain.... Surrender, your Primarch commands you.
Thule: Be silent you blasphemous Daemon! You dare insult our grand Primarch!?
Magnus: Be logical captain, how else could you have this many capable Psykers?
alternatively you could title that new chapter VS founding legion (major spoiler)
I know buddy.
Wow...
That last part though.
How dare Magnus assume himself Blood Ravens' Primarch! That title belongs to Lord Trazyn the Infinite!
boy oh boy, the blood ravens will shit the entire bed if they ever get spelled out to them that magnus is indeed the lost primarch they are oblivious to all along
Thule:"Better Destruction than bondag."
O'Kais:"So says the slave to the free man."
Ironically, the Tau are slaves to the Ethereals due to some kinds of shenanigans with the Ethereals...Plus their rigid caste system is even WORSE than India's was...so yeah, the Tau are slaves in gilded cages.
Commander Farsight says otherwise
Bernardo Lima Farsight is the exception, rather than the rule.
DWatchRazgriz depends if you talk about the empire in general or the enclaves, because last time i read farsight created a lot of commotion in the empire with his rebellion, making loyalist tau support him
Bernardo Lima Last I read, it wasn't really support as much as "don't send military forces after the Farsight enclave unless we want to lose them due to assassinations of Ethereals causing our troops to defect"
"So says the slave to the free man."
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M3Lucky
>Tau
>Free
They're the Brave New World to the Imperium's 1984.
A man chooses; a slave obeys!
And we choose the Greater Good.
zillafire101
Incorrect. The Greater Good chose *you* before you were ever born. Your leaders are in control. Your reproduction is planned. Your glory is shared. Your "allies" are slaves.
A man chooses. A slave obeys.
(breaking character, I love the Tau. They're the only relatively reasonable faction in the game, and I love giant gunner mechs)
HellChuggapri1 (I really like them too, mostly for the unique model range. Anime-esque Tau, savage, barbarian Kroot, Vespids, and Geu'vesa. Kinda makes me wish more auxiliaries got some attention.)
"So says the slave to the free man."
Coldest line
“STOP SENDING YOUR MEN TO DEATH , YOU CRAZY FUCK!!!”
“Shut up, Weeb.”
"They preach humanity's purity and superiority yet gladly throw away millions of lives if they believe it can help them win even one battle" yes and of course. i works really well from them
So says the slave to the free man is raw but VERY ironic.
"Do the deaths of your soldiers mean so little to you?"
Mate, you have no idea...
*CAN'T EVEN FIGHT IN MELEE*
The T'au race has mastery of Talk no Jutsu, moreso the Water caste.
Compensated with the best weaponry and accuracy in all of W40k
@*Youssef Zidan* drop pods and assault marines will close the distance in no time also Grey knigth with their charge ability will just destroy them
@*Youssef Zidan* trying to compare the two is like comparing a bear (Imperium) vs a porcupine (tau) the bear would get hurt but not by a hole lot probably just bleed and bit while the porcupine no longer fucking exist outside of the bears stomach
@@MerkavaMerkava
Grey Knights are deployed to fight demons. The chances of Grey Knights actually fighting Tau is low.
"better destruction than bondage" aka better dead than red
trickster3696 So says the slave to the free man.
@Mihail Golubovic When did a caste system become the same thing as communism haha
If you don't know what communism is, maybe you're the real "commie fucker" and just don't realize it :^)
But then again, based off your name, maybe you really are one o3o
@@whisperingshadowXI in the same way that your are guilty based in you social group, your are guilty for the things that you caste do. I mean, Tau doesnt believe in individual freedom but in colective rights.
trickster3696 But the Blood Ravens wear red power armor.
@Schnbl death to communists
"The greter good is coming to you from my bolter." Is such an unnecessarily hard line
O'Kais is so badass.
I wish to see this great commander again... And how he will destroy every enemy.
The question is, why would the Ethereals ever do that? Even if they are conditioned to obey the Ethereals utterly, they are not actively controlled by the Ethereals individually. As for pheromones, it's never implied, it's simply often mentioned that it's the Imperium's leading theory. Keep in mind, it's only because of the Ethereals that the Tau didn't kill themselves off thousands of years ago. They might simply be kinda grateful.
If not for the Ethereals, the Tau would be long gone. That is why the Tau go crazy if an Ethereal is eg: captured
@@scottm8292 have you forgotten the farsight enclaves?
@@jovialmonster757 considering farsight is wielding a chaos demon possessed sword, I’m just waiting for the day GW goes “surprise! Chaos tau! That’s why they don’t need ethereals!”
@@Ryanfinder226by the looks of the sword it resembles more necron technology or maybe a Ctan relic, I would totally buy a Ctan starting to possess Farsight or him becoming one with it
Tau commander has major balls. I love him
The Tau are the only race in 40k who will accept your surrender and let you live instead of total annihilation.
+Damar158 Unless you refuse to join their empire. Then your planet is annihilated.
+Hyper hey at least you get the chance of surrender
Lets all be thankful for that
antitroller101 Necrons do that as well. Are they good guys?
Hyper In the Dark Crusade?
Since when the hell did they let the opposition have the chance of surrender, last I played it the Necrons wanted to purge the world of all life or one way or another still kill or enslave ya
We on the same footing here I thought we are talking about the game
+antitroller101 welcome to the new lore of necrons which rulers are basically pissed off Benders and often enslaved organic lifeforms for reasons
Refusing to send people to their probable deaths is a great quality in a human being. In a general, though? It's more likely to just result in more deaths.
Besides, any insult Thule delivers is going to feel weak anyway, since this is the last stand mission for the blood ravens. Even if he means it, it'll feel like empty bravado for the most part.
In my opinion it makes it even more meaningful, because he has so much intent behind it.
Heed well the words of dead men.
0:15
HOTTEST BURN SINCE THE SALAMANDERS
HOLIEST ROAST SINCE PROSPERO!
There is no reasoning with the unreasonable... And only the unreasonable follow the carrion emperor...
Not even a roast, it just supports O'Kais argument that he is mad
It's not a roast, it shows that the guy is indeed mad.
For those who didn't get the reference - check Dark Crusade review from ThunderPsyker
I love that review from Thunder. He even didn't want to review Soulstorm haha...
"you won't stop our faith so easy"
"we literally aren't even trying to question your faith believe whatever you want, we just want a galaxy that doesn't make 1984 look like a high fantasy setting
It's not like Tau society is good
Late but Fun Fact: When O'Kais said that the tau empire would respect your faith if only you would see reason what he is saying is actually true itself many humans who actually pledge their loyalty towards the tau and their "Greater Good" are actually still have faith towards the god emperor himself which is actually cool for me it really shows that when the tau would say most of it is actually true I just don't understand why in the ending for the tau in the dark crusade they committed horrendous atrocities towards humans to the point of almost having only few left probably they are still xenophobic itself that is just my theory.
The ending is pure Empirium propaganda, the entire game is narreted with a imperial point of view
I love how O'Kais goes no more Mr. Nice guy at 0:50
This is a cool exchange but my favourite will always be the ones where Tau go up against Chaos, where eliphas is trying to taunt O'kais and O'kais has no warp connection so he can't eve hear him.
Hello There after 12 years.
Heyya after 13 years
@@keycrafter7471 almost 14 years ago.
These lines and the voice acting and music makes it seem like something you would see in the climax of a film
According to the Inquisitor rulebook, Daemons and other Warp-spawn creatures can hardly detect a Tau in the area, even in plain sight. Also, they are very resistant to mind control.
The rest of psychic powers affect them as they do to everybody else.
And I like this new dark side of them, although their original naiveté was what truly made me fall in love with them.
Tau are my favourite army from DoW (except, perhaps, for Dark Eldar, although I just love DE sadist and totally decadent background).
I finished both DC and SS with them and I agree with the endings.
In fact, I see some connection between the Tau and the Emperor´s behaviour during the Great Crusade, allowing everybody to join their side and fight against Evil.
Also, the Tau are the perfect race from the Emperor´s point of view: there are no gods or religion, trust science only.
But the one thing the emperor would hate would be their minimal use of melee weapons
@@bayarsejar5831 Melee is cringe.
@@dustinnabil798 have you seen tts
@@bayarsejar5831 Yes, IMO the tts emperor is less cringe than his canon counterpart because tts is a comedic series and the emperor often called out for being a jerk and a hypocrite, while the canon emperor tries so hard to make himself looks good while making to biggest tyrannical empire in the entire galaxy. TLDR: Canon emperor is cringe.
@@dustinnabil798 are you talking about great crusade Emperor or Present day Emperor
Doombreed, one of Khorne's first Daemon Princes, was a human warlord on Earth. Such instances are rare, but still occur.
We miss you
"You should have surrendered Gue'la NOW it is too late!"
This music is so good and so perfectly fitting, I didn't realise it wasn't even from the actual game!
In a way, this is a fight between slaves. Between extremists.
J Sailer except one is willing to let you go and keep your beliefs.
@@shadosnake I know I'm late but you're out of the loop, the Tau were retconned into enslaving those they conquer a while ago (thanks Mont'ka).
@@lich109 Only 'cos all the neckbeards started whining _"But muh Grimderp!"_
After all, Greater Good forbid we have at least one race in this f*cked-up setting that *ISN'T* overwhelmingly edgy...
@@PeteTheGrouch That was unrelated, Mont'ka is single-handedly the worst book GW wrote because it gets everything wrong, and unfortunately it is canon.
@@lich109 _Meh,_ what GW considers canon or not, hasn't really mattered to me for a long time... Age of Shitemar, for example, is considered "canon"; yet, as far as me & TW: Warhammer are concerned, that shit doesn't exist..!
Seems the Tau is the least grimdark race in the 40k universe.
they're still pretty damn sinister when compared to most factions in other games. Population control, sterilization, brainwashing etc.
John Isaac Felipe
Not saying they're anywhere near as bad as other factions, I'm saying that with what they currently do they are pretty bad compared to other franchise factions.
Oh hahahah you got me there. you are right but in the 40 k universe, they are the closest we can get for a protagonist ( protagonist in a sense of doing good)
John Isaac Felipe I tend to ignore GW's latest fluff on the Tau. For me (I picked them up when they were released), I'm a strong believer in the Tau fluff of the greater good.
EvilBakaCat The Tau Empire is like the Soviet Union while the Imperium is more like the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, North Korea, the British Commonwealth and the Japanese Empire all rolled into one despotic machine.
God the voice acting + plus the music is just perfect. I got chills.
Shas'Okais:Do the Deaths of your soldiers mean that little to you are you really that mad?
Thule: Do the deaths of your means that much to you are you really that weak?
Me:No Thule that just makes him a better Commander and person.
0:46 This is funny, coming from a being who is made mentally unable to resist the orders of the Ethereal Caste.
U mad?
***** lol
Tau be like: "yo bro your God is chill and all, we don't gotta be killing eachother and shit."
SM: "I'll show you chill when all the heat leaves your body you filthy fucking alien."
Tau: "... Well alright then :/"
0:26
I cannot willingly associate myself with such cowardly creatures who don’t even participate in melee combat.
but they suck at melee
nikusha mosidze No excuses!
@@PolarisTheMorrigan fast reply. love it
nikusha mosidze But of course nothing better to do when I’m sitting on this damn throne all millennia.
@@PolarisTheMorrigan love role playing. btw when will you come back in flesh?
Sometimes I forget how extremely over the top fanatically the space marines are about the emperor.
"So says the slave to the free man"
Greatest tau burn, ever and always.
To be fair, the imperium is sort of in debt to the emperor for saving their existence from the very grip of chaos, in all honesty I think what they do that is actually PURE GOOD, is them repaying that debt, Sure its a good "Burn" but imo they aren't slaves, they're the children that owe their father deeply for his sacrifice
Tau are slaves to
Jarod Lares They're fanatics and kill anyone who doesn't follow the clearly "corrupt" higher ups rules (I'm just saying, living for a long time doesn't do all that good to your psyche, even if you're more machine than flesh). In a sense they're worse than the other faction in that they won't go into an alliance with the stronger factions to pulverize Chaos and the Nids, Orks and Necrons.
Perhaps but a hellfire round will burn more
Xekon Waldläufer I mean they’re in an alliance with the eldar now but, that’s because they’re united under their god of death if it wasn’t for the sweet assurance that slaanesh can’t touch them in the after life they’ll sell out any man in a second to save their own especially since the flow of logic is that they’re not only the better race but also the lesser in numbers which makes their lives more valuable than how many imperial lackeys there are.
"So says the slave to the free man"
Caste members: "so can i like uh, change my caste or follow my dreams...?"
Tau: "NO!"
Tau Enclaves: Are we a joke to you?
It's for the greater good that they stay in their cast in which is where they will be the most useful the greater good is not about the individual it is about benefiting those around you rather than meet your selfish dreams of fame and power which will help no one
Gue'vesa: hey uh Commander I know I'm not Tau and just a human but I'm pretty much veteran now, can I lead my fellow human instead?, it will make communication easier
Tau: NO
@@hggs4466 Interesting how this selfless forced cooperative system results in the ethereals being pampered with ridiculous levels of luxury while the lower castes go without. I'm sure that's all necessary for the greater good.
It's also interesting that you say selfish dreams and powers don't help anyone. Alexander of Macedonia was quite selfish and fame-hungry, though his conquests left the world a greater place, increasing trade and cooperation long even after his empire fell.
Many entrepreneurs do not give until they hurt, instead they may choose to give within their means. So they can fund their apparent selfish desires... Which results in... The assembly line which made cars affordable to the common man, the light bulb which revolutionized the human condition, or even the invention of the laws of logic by Aristotle. I'm sure that one had absolutely no personal ambition involved... I'm sure he was a wise chilled out guru that just wanted to serve others...
It is better when one is not selfish, but has always been disastrously consequential when you try to force people with a boot to not be selfish, rather than it coming from within.
Most of those who claim to work for the greater good or for others, are lying. Very few actually mean what they say, and those people very often do not say it in the first place. The missionaries that go abroad and help troubled peoples by investing time, effort, and money into serving strangers' communities... whether that be spreading knowledge or helping create infrastructure... None of these people are praised. Few recognized. But the profitable self proclaimed charities that take 90% of the money raised to pay their workers and administration? It's expected to give to them, because they are self proclaiming virtue. What about the RUclipsrs that make shorts about how they fed a mere 100 people with poorly constructed sandwiches (When personal, ambitious projects that were honest and transparent, fed many, many more people and much more effectively) made with white bread and processed cheese, mayo, a slice or two of meat and maybe lettuce. A production budget of maybe a couple hundred bucks even if, which makes tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of views. Those get unending support and love. Overwhelming support. If you even dare question the motives, you are just jealous pessimist.
Yet the person who dedicated his free time working in a soup kitchen, feeding tens of thousands of people over his lifetime. "Oh, that's cool I guess."
You cannot force a person to be compassionate. If it does not come from the heart, one will only appear compassionate to meet a quota. Whether it is rewarded or forced.
And these societies, every one we know of, that has tried to force communal life and cooperation... We know it's a scam to funnel money to the leadership and elites. Often used to overthrow current elites and create new ones.
Yet personal ambition plus a sense of community leads to things like fraternal societies and mutual aid, which offered healthcare so cheap and so effective, other doctors convinced the government to ban this form of competition. Socialized healthcare wishes it could replicate such results, even in the few countries that are small and homogeneous and responsible enough that they barely make it work and turn a slight to moderate positive.
Tell me, where does invention or innovation come from if the human spirit is oppressed?
Thankfully for the Tau, they got theirs from plot armor. Even though they are supposed to be a parody/critique... I guess they needed some selling factor or reason they wouldn't be immediately wiped out, so high tech this or that from primitive to high tech within a few hundred years, etc etc.
Maybe, just maybe they work differently on a biological and social level that such a forced caste system could be a positive. But I don't think there's any official material to suggest that, and there's not much reason to believe they are mentally that much different from how humans are in terms of social relationships, institutions, and general being. They just seem to be blue humans with various physical quirks.
Even if we assumed the system they have set up now is somehow the most efficient or reasonable one for their own species, that's certainly a far cry from how humans work. And you would think such a wise people would realize that when seeking to expand their empire for... their own personal ambitions... Would the greater good call for a culling of incompatible species? Maybe it would be too much work or effort to find a way to incorporate humans, and a variety of other alien species.
I realize I probably gave far too many real world examples, but the real world examples prove the ridiculousness of this concept whether or not any particular writer decides to simp for the Tau and give them arbitrary plot armor or success. It is a much more... objective standard. Yes, this is fantasy. But many humans bring fantasy in the real world, and many times have the consequences been disastrous.
Typically, the WH40k universe tends to be morally ambiguous. Not in a particularly clever way, just because if they tried to put in serious morality at least on a top level like making a faction the good guys, they'd really screw up most likely.
Which is why the Tau are clearly not good guys, because they would make awful good guys. They are clearly not moral, the ethereals are obviously power hungry and raging hypocrites. And the Tau and greater good are a rather clear parody, much like the Imperium of Man. And the Eldar.
Guys, the T'au is right.
I have this entire thing memorized because of the free demo that I got, god knows from what, but it was literally just that mission where you have to kill this dude and nothing else
this music really fits
Indeed. Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.
"The Greater Good is comming to you from my Bolter Alien!"
Haha i love that one!
Damn, I had forgotten how Thule used to sound like before DoW2 :D
you know that people dont understand 40k lore when they take the "so says the slave to the free man" at face value and think it's true.
Degrees of freedom. Nobody in 40k is truly free except for some gods, specific Eldar and Necron Overlords. The Tau are the closest to collective freedom as a race gets in this universe at least.
Isn't it enough that canon has established that the Emperor would hate whats become of his empire were he able to see it?
@@mickel1470 gulliman himself says it
@@yoursonisold8743 not even gods are free. Look at big E. He;s stuck on the golden throne , otherwise the galaxy is doomed. Heck , even the chaos gods are stuck into a loop of doing the only things they have done for centuries for the simple reason tht the masses believe them to only do that. They are like preprogramed simulations , stuck doign a repetitive task over and over and over with no personality outside of wanting to do said task
They're both relatively slaves. Heck freedom is as elusive as a concept as Malal.
"Our faith is in the emperor of man, alien! To bow to you *is heresy!* "
This dialogue is just amazing. For the Greater Good!
Ya really think so?
"If an Ethereal ordered a Tau to jump off a cliff, the tau would do so willingly and gladly."
HalfTangible and so would a spacemarine if ordered by the emperor
HalfTangible I’m pretty sure a ethereal won’t waste a tau like that since they have common sense
HalfTangible for the greater good, gotta keep the cliff from falling somehow
"Willingly," thanks to their mindfuckery.
Except this is just plain false. Tau have been known to disobey ethereals if they believe their orders are wrong or there is a better way
Coming back to this, its kinda ssd to see O'Kias in the current lore. A barely sane, mentally broken man who sees himself more as a weapon and now openly talks about carrying out genocide of Tau alien citizens.
M41: “The Tau Empire will respect your faith, human, if you would only see reason.”
M42: “You know, maybe those Gue’ron’sha were onto something.”
God that music shows how intense this really is and brings manly tears to my mortal eyes.
One hand has a commander desperately trying to save the lives of innocent men who are merely fighting tooth and nail for their home, their faith, and Emperor
And on the other you have that man who respects, honors, and venerated his heritage, his people, his Empire that no matter the words or the cost he won't betray the people he calls his, the Empire he swore to protect, and the Emperor he swore to uphold.
Such small lines demonstrate the true brutal truth of war there are no good or bad guys just 2 sides fighting for what they believe to be just.
they are all bad
I love good voice acting like this. This is awesome
Wow. At first, I thought the Tau was right. Then I heard the human say the line about heresy and the Emperor, and... I realized they're both right. They're both powerful. They're both perfect, incredible, and doomed.
Warhammer 40,000 is awesome.
"So says the slave to the free man."
Huffs a big cloud of ethereal cast mind control farts
"Oh ya, that the greater good stuff"
I'm going through all of these , and adding the music to a playlist for 40k rp ambience
"so says the slave to the free man.." . Chills. The delivery on these actors in this game.
One Tau: This is all for the greater good
All Tau: *THE GREATER GOOD*
Space Marine: How can this be for the greater good?
All Tau: *THE GREATER GOOD*
Space Marine: SHUT IT!
Lol that reference
“So says the slave to the free man”
“Silence slave” says the slave of the Ethereals to the Space Marine
He isn’t a slave
So says the slave to the free man.
Indeed, that's all an Astartes is.
Kais: spitting facts
Thule: No you
You can't spell "taunt" without "TAU-nt".
THE GREATER GOOD
Remember, O'Kais actually fought a Greater Demon with out a Battle suit or Back up.
i love how space marines are like spartans, they can be very witty and concise.
Still the Imperivm proved to be one of most powerful empire in the grim future. They could have some flaws but they are succeding in not letting their empire fall, they even face most of the threats the galaxy has.
I know it's literally 16 years old but I really wanna do this and do a "What if" if the covenant from halo was in dawn of war dark crusade XD
Intro:
Arbiter: Your death has come, demons.
Thule: It is YOU that have come to your death alien!
Arbiter: such bravado and yet we have you cornered like heretics you are.
Thule: Blasphemous alien scum, brothers attack!
Relic Capture:
Thule: You will not break our spirit and faith alien! The emperor protects us!
Arbiter: and yet we have slaughtered so many of your fellow brothers and yet we have not seen a single divine intervention by your so called "GOD", truly you humans are a stain to the great journey and the galaxy as whole if your petty little religion is all that drives you.
Thule: We will kill you, no matter the cost!
End:
Arbiter: bring out your sword and fight with honor demon, it is time to end this!
Thule: C'mon then, your death awaits!
14 years ahead of the curve
This dialogue exchange was badass.
The voice for the Tau geos so hard
I dunno the tau seem pretty reasonable.
I still have no idea who was the "good guy" in this video
Thats what makes it good
And the answer is... no one, nobody is good in 40K, only lesser evil
O'kais is my favourite 40k character
SM/IG stronghold as Tau, SM stronghold as IG, and IG stronghold as SM were the best moments in this game
so much good shit
Heck, on Taros the tau got the whole population and the imperial guard forces to join them and rebel before they even invaded, the two armies then beat the space marines and other imperial guard when they tried to liberate the planet!
it was on T'ros
Tell me heretic but Tau has more moral and brain (and balls) than the Imperium
Hear hear, fellow Guevesa.
"So says the slave to the free man." For the greater good!
for the greater good
how ironic
Would the Emperor of Man, if he were fully alive, accepted the Tau Empire's beliefs? Why would he not do so?
Because he held the human form as sacred above all else (in a non-religious sense), and exterminating any and all aliens was a part of Imperial doctrine even before the fundamentalist worship started seeping in.
Evil Lincoln Not true, the Emperor always held mankind above all else, but during the Great Crusade, aliens were subdued or destroyed. The Emperor held mankind above all other species, but he did not wish all other species to be destroyed. They DID however have to answer to man. So if an alien species accepted mankind as their overlords, they would not be destroyed. The Emperor wished for peaceful coexistence (with us on top, of course) where possible.
His plan to kill Xenos was right alongside killing the religious. It was all to try and smother Chaos.
well kind of, during the age of strife many aliens atack or control the human planets, so the emperor thinks that he cant trust the aliens, have horus come in terms with the interex maybe the imperium would be diferent
I think it would still have been Xenophobic. They threw away Atheism for superstition, after all.
"says the slave to the free man"... said by a Tau... oh sweet sweet irony
They were still rather free at this point I think.
They have more freedom then the Imperium, which really says a lot about the Imperium.
+zillafire101
they have more material confort... not freedom. The imperium doesn't tell you who to have sex with... nor does it ban marriage... or the right to know and educate your children
Yeah, it does.
The Imperium basically dictates every aspect of your entire life for you. If you step out of line even once and get caught, there's a few outcomes, but almost all of them end in your immediate or eventual death. The Tau Empire isn't perfect, but they treat the occupants of captured worlds remarkably better than the Imperium ever did. This is explicitly stated in the codex.
+Drake Jellison
not every imperial world is Cadia or Armaggedon. outside of fortress worlds; death worlds; and hive worlds (wich are not that numerous to begin with) the standards of living are close if not superior to that of most people in the world today (at least if you follow the latest edition which toned down the grimderp).
Furthermore, the Imperium does not police your everyday life (even if it wanted it doesn't have the resources to do so).
For example you have freedom of religion (as long as you don't go and practice silly bullshit like human sacrifice). Most of the time the administratum just handwave difference by explaining that local deity names are just low gothic differences translated to 'God emprah' in High Gothic.
But sure, you can put your chips on the xenos who litterally use mind controlling brain worms (google it's cannon) and whom allied species have a nasty tendency to be wiped out by unknown diseases (only for said worlds to be converted ito sept soon after)
So I stand by my original point. As farsight realised it, even a servitor has more free will than a Tau
the music really adds a dramatic effect
The most suitable music. Good job.