Firearms Facts: The 9mm Confusion
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In this video Eric and Ray discuss the "9mm Confusion" at Moss Pawn and talk about the similarities and differences between many different 9mm cartridges and the dangers of mixing up some very similarly sized examples. Stay tuned, much more on the way.
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I wasn't confused until I watched this.
jim whitley, yeah, me too!
jim whitley knowledge is dangerous. That said I now know I mean 9mm LUGER!
@@augurcybernaut4785
OR 9x19, OR 9 parabellum.
Lol
I was on my way to the comments to say the same 😂😂
This video gave me flashbacks of the old iraqverteran88 vids, rip Bary
Is this an old video? Or did he recently pass? RIP
R6Mute Main Barry passed away more than 2 years ago. This video was more in line to what IV8888 did back when they were starting out here in RUclips.
@@FireheartSamurai Ernest "Barry" Elliott 3/11/1955 - 4/12/2014 I have the memorial sticker that came in a man can I have it front and center on my reloading bench
Oh, Barry died almost 5 years ago now.
RIP Barry!
This deserves a cut shell.
Went most of my adult life thinking I was well versed in firearms and ammo, then I listened to these two talk for 20 minutes, now I feel I may be slightly "slow".
Amen
Hahahahaha
Some rough anchor points, but worth listening the whole video. My list is as accurate as 9mm notation!
1:28 9x19mm Parabellum/Luger
4:10 380ACP/9mm Kurz/9x17mm
5:24 357 Magnum
5:44 355(9mm)/357(38SPC)/358(35CAL)
6:42 357SIG
8:06 9x18 Makarov (365)
9:30 bore diameter
11:18 9mm Flobert rimfire
12:47 38Super
14:33 9mm Largo
14:55 9x23 Winchester
16:54 9mm Steyr
17:20 9x25 Dillon
20:13 high energy rounds
They need to pin this comment to the top.
You public service is appreciated!
U sir are an Real MVP of this 📹 👏 from ⏲️ of edit
Love Barry. RIP. If there was ever a video that needed him, this is it.
I CAN’T wait to watch this. I had a student a year and a half ago tell me that his brother in law loaned him a 9mm and asked if we had that ammo for sale. I told him yes, but when he got to the range (not on the same property as the classroom), he shows me the gun that says 9mm MAKAROV. I told him he can’t use our ammo in that gun and after him FINALLY believing me that it was dangerous to do, I gave him a free rental gun. That led me into a 10min impromptu lecture on knowing what would work in your gun and what wouldn’t.
Hats off to you mate for taking the time to check the gun beforehand, and also to explain the differences between the types of 9mm ammunition! This is the type of gun owners we need more of! Thanks for being a great example for the firearms community. Cheers
@@chadh3441 in my first few weeks teaching, I learned that lesson fast. Nothing dangerous happened, but I saw a lot of it. It usually went around people not reading the suffix for a caliber and buying .38 spl for their LCP 380, .38 super for their .38 spl and so on. The cake taker was when I had a guy show up with a stock g22, telling me it was a g40, but he had 300 rounds of 9mm Luger. I asked if he had ever shot the gun before and he swore up and down that he did. When I asked if he had a conversion barrel, he said no and I asked how he planned to shoot that combination. He didn’t believe that his gun wouldn’t work shooting it until I took the barrel out and dropped a round in to show him that the ammo didn’t fit. People are wild.
Always like hearing Ray give his input. Thanks for having him on.
I'll be referring a lot of folks to this video going forward
Oh Please...
NOT
@Ray West I think because they 1 are rimfire lol 😂 & 2 I think they are 25mm long & not 19mm. Just saying I case ur not joking. I suppose tho being rimfire n without the ridge on some barrels they may slide thru 🤯
Long time ago I accidentally bought 9mm makarov. Sat on a shelf for years so I decide to buy a bulgarian mak. Didn’t want it to go to waste 😬
hahaha .. that's hilarious .. i bought the wrong 22 ammo years back and still have those 100 V-MAX bullets.. the details on the box are: 22 cal .224" 60 gr V-MAX. #22281 by Hornady. can you tell me what weapons use this round? I still wasn't able to figure it out lol
@@0baakVlogs
Sound like .223rem rounds
Nafiul Ahmed Those are .223 bullets for reloading.
The golden rule
You might love guns if you first buy ammo then the gun later. Guilty as charged here......
I love when Ray is in the videos, that dude is a plethora of knowledge. I would love to hear and learn more from him.
😐 I’ve yet to have a customer come in an ask for “9mm” and mean something other than 9mm Luger. Also, who in the ever loving hell comes in and asks for 9mm when they mean 357 magnum?! That’s completely unrealistic.
.357 magnum is sometimes marketed in Europe as 9mm magnum, so maybe if they didn't know it was the same thing.
I used to work in a black powder/ taxidermy try to explain how to patch down a .44 cal revolver to shoot .410 round ball.
@@davehood2667 Yeah thier ww2 .380 were 38 S&W short for thier Webley's
So fuckin true
The second word ("Yet") in your statement has taken on a new meaning in the last 12 months. While I am very happy that many people have chosen to exercise their 2nd amendment right for the first time and purchase a firearm, some of these individuals are clueless about how a gun works other than it makes a loud noise when it discharges. Just ask any range owner or employee Lol!
When you sell weapons or give advice of any kind to the public about them, being accurate and concise is a MUST. To "assume" that everyone has the same level of knowledge and experience you do is not wise, as one little point you miss could equal a trip to the ER for the customer or the courtroom for both of you.
I'm not trying to rag on you or your thought process. When a customer buys a new gun it is fairly easy to assess their level of knowledge by asking a few questions and then move on. Some cop an attitude if they get the impression you think they are uneducated or inexperienced (when this happens? they are usually no nothing idiots) so it can be hard? You don't have much time if you are busy but from an ethical standpoint (and a legal one) it is important that to the best of your abilities you try and balance these items.
I do not doubt you are a professional at your job. I do know that everyone tends to become complacent at one time or another, ESPECIALLY if 99% of your customers do understand what they came for and how it works. The really sad thing is that in today's world, anything a consumer does wrong is never the fault of the stupid and moronic user?
Today, it is the manufacturer and or sales person's responsibility to babysit the world. This mindset is why we have people trying to destroy the very same country that allows them to voice an opinion most of us disagree with and forces McDonalds to print "Attention Idiot-coffee is very hot!!!!" on their cups (coffee is hot? since when???)
Always love to hear Ray’s input and vast knowledge of firearms!
He's a great no bs educator
Miss Barry. We love you Barry
I miss their videos opening with "eric and Barry" i watch old videos sometimes just to hear that
Barry was a cool guy. RIP Barry.
Barry is missed by many
I've learned more about firearms from this channel than from 6 years in the Navy as a fire controlman. I can tell you all about swabbing, though.
BTW, the 117-year-old 9mm Parabellum is the least expensive centerfire cartridge you can by today, and besides the .22LR, is the most popular cartridge around the globe. No wonder numerous military units, police departments, security agencies, and private citizens alike employ this very effective small-bore cartridge.
Real men use 10mm
@@kevinclause4p55p5 it really depends what you're using it for. Definitely has nothing to do with being a "real man"
@@connor1982 Yes it does, 9mm is for pussies.
Love these videos as well as your other videos. I’m currently in the market for a 9mm for range and this video helped me grasp all the different types of 9mil. Thanks! 👍🏻
We need a mass pawn tour. The wall of liberty is looking strong
Be realistic when a guy asks for 9 MILLIMETER you know for a fact he means 9X19. If he wanted 9X18 he'd say Mac, if he wanted 9X21 he'd say 38 Super.
And if he wanted 9x17 he'd say '.380'.
If worked behind the counter and someone asked for 9mm I'm going to hand them 9X19
VinnyS914 you do know that the 38 Super is NOT the same as the 9x21IMI cartridge correct? 38 super is actually 9x22.5 and is loaded to a normal overall length of 1.270" to fit in a 1911 magazine length, the 9x21IMI is actually 21mm long case, and loaded to 1.169" max to fit into a standard 9x19 magazine length specifically for guns chambered in 9x19 for countries that prohibit use of 9x19. They are completely different and NOT compatible at all besides bullet diameter.
@@jimhans1 I stand corrected. We actually don't have it much by me so I never bothered with it myself.
@@skepticalbadger Yeah well that slipped BUT also I was corrected on 38 Super so not even I'm perfect.
Another great educational video guys! Ray is the best! Thank you for sharing your knowledge 🇺🇸
Thank y’all for making videos like these that are not so easy to make for us! Racking y’alls brain over this type of technical stuff in order to educate the people! 👍🏻 Greatly Appreciated 🙏🏻
Yeah, cuz it happens everyday that someone will walk into a gun store, asks for 9mm, and wants 9mm Makarov... LOL
In the 1980's people would put 9mm luger in their M11a1's because they would say on the receiver 9mm K
It would be really nice if you guys would make a playlist of all the ammo confusion episodes.
This guys needs to be in more videos , ive been loading for 15 years now and its nice to see a guy who can speak the "language" . Great vid
By far one of the most educational firearms related videos I've seen in a long time. I knew there were a few different 9mm cartridges but not that many.
99% of people who say 9mm mean the luger/parabelum. Appreciate the information though. The technical among us love this stuff.
Great episode to teach the novice gun owner about different 9mm rounds. An awesome video Eric
"Bastardised" just got added into my vocabulary. What a excellent word. Bastardised, what a word. I love it.
Always great to see you Ray. Big thumbs up from me. The tribute T-shirt to Barry just sweetens the video even more.
This video is really helpful actually, when explaining the differences .
surprised they didn't cover 9mm Nato, just for educational purposes. Higher pressure than standard 9mm Luger/Para. Enjoyed the video. Thumbs up.
Was that the reason why the American military complaining about slides blew off the Beretta pistols?
Great video! I love hearing the details and evolution (or etymology) in ballistics! I can tell you guys did too!! Thank you!!
I am really new to handguns. I bought my first one 2 months ago, a High Point 40. Had a lot of fun with it took some classes. Today I bought a Kimber Micro 9. I love it so far. You guys are really informative.
This has been VERY informative, I learned some new details. 9x25 Dillon gonna look this up ! Thanks Ray for your input.
Please do a wildcat video. You wouldn't have to put confusion in the name because that's a given but I think it would be a great subject to tackle.
6.5 Wildcats or 7 mm Wildcats let the crazy begin !!!
@@chris3383 You could start a channel just on wildcat cartridges if you went into the history on each one. I guess you could Start off with 22 Cheetah, 22tcm and 223wssm for example then move up to the 7mm and beyond.
@@jakayawilson2833 no doubt there's tons of cartridges for almost every caliber !!
Just another Great Video Guys!!!!! Keep on doing what you're doing. Been following you for a long time. I didn't know about the different 9mm's.
Nice to be back in the shop with Ray. Great resource of knowledge.
nice to see ray,hes a cool dude,i met him last year in talladega on the brownells convoy across america stop.
38 super is my favorite cartrage ever created. It can be loaded hot for some great defence rounds or loaded down to 38acp velocities for light rounds.
Thank you for giving me the most confusion info I have ever seen. But I still love you guys.
WOW! so much info, I'm going to have to watch this one more than once! Thanks
I lucked into a deal in the 1990s. There was a flood of Hungarian PA63 handguns chambered in 9x18 Makarov that were dirt cheap. I think they were selling for around $75 in my local gun shop. While inspecting a pile, yes pile, of them in the counter I found one stamped 9mm Kurtz. I bought it for $75. Of course 9mm Kurtz is .380ACP. At that time that made a HUGE difference since 380 was easy to find in many different loadings and 9mm Makarov was really only available as 9mm ball in steal cases. I still have that pistol.
Kurz is writen with without t. Trust me I am German😉
heck one of my favorite soda killing loads is a 90gr Xtp in a 9x19 over dang near a full case of power pistol. Blows up 2 liters like a champ and barely any recoil.
I love how informative you are. You truly know what you're talking about. Much respect keep it up.
Glad you mentioned the 9x25, I’ve been getting more and more interested in that cartridge. such a cool round
You’re God damn right you have a special guest. Anytime Ray makes an appearance it’s special!!!!
Are you ever going to do a moss pawn gun tour again you haven't done one for ages 🔫👍
And make it lengthy.
Well, he doesn't work there anymore, so...
@@Locutus494 really !!??? The guns tour work's very good , especially for me , because i leave in portugal....chetty guns laws , and i learn a lot about , brands , peaces of guns , the function , the mount and dismount ( a litle) , the various types ars , etc. , if i leave in usa i will have a lot of guns , so true!!
@@Locutus494 so he doesnt work there anymore but he is shooting a vid there?
@@jordanlittle5391 he lives near by and is still friends with them. His youtube really took off. But with way the youtube money is now he may look at going back.
As much as I love, and as important the "Gun gripe" videos are..I'm really glad to see ya back in the shop and doing informative "confusion" videos..seems like the good ol' days.
This video series is my favorite
That .357 Sig part made me think about the movie Spinal Tap "11" explanation lol
Federal Confusion is one of my favorite brands of hunting cartridges.
I really appreciate this video. First I’ve seen in the series addressing ammunition. I hope you do more for beginners like me.
My boy Eric knows his stuff! Keep it up guys, you do a great job!
I was gifted some 9mm ammunition from my dad one of the boxes was a 9mm makarov haha
I need me some 9x39mm
I wish I had a vitsornez
Same. But tbh, I'd settle for a AK-9 or 9A-91.
I would LOVE to shoot this cartridge, and probably would then want a gun chambered in it. Sadly 300 blackout is likely the closest I'll ever get, when I get to try that one day. Until then I'm content with 7.62x39
i see u fam and i love u
Oh the Russians are crazy...
They even put a 12.7mm in an Assault Rifle, like the ASh-12.
Thanks as a new gun owner this video is really informative and helps clears some things up.
Wow! Y'all must've done some seriously tedious research and work to be able to give us all of this information and lay it out easy like this. Much appreciated.
Off topic, does anyone else just love the classic looking style of the AR on the top left? Something about it with the carry handle just makes me appreciate it over the flat top with the rail. Granted you can still add a carry handle to those models, but I love the classic look.
Brownells knock off!!
@@larryw5429 lol, I meant just the way it looks, not who made it. I actually just bought a Bushmaster with the fixed stock. I don't have many options in my state, but I just love the look of it. Classic
they look pretty dumb with a scope on em . theres a reason that went away, agree the Vietnam era ar is cool . brownells makes some cool ones especially the one for the airforce.
I personally never liked the old style, I prefer flat rail with some type of optic
Colt 9mm sbr looks similar to they look like my gi joes ar lol
Nice vid Eric!!
Ahhhhhhh yes, a flashback to what IV8888 videos were like before, without all of the drama and play acting! Just plain simple gun talk! Ray should make more of the videos with you!
Always nice to see Ray, thnx.
I'm pretty sure no one has ever asked for "9mm" when they needed 357 magnum
No. But I did accidentally buy a box of 357 SIG one time, which I don't own... 😩
The confusion is with the measuring system metric or imperial etc
I can't thank u enough for releasing such educational content.
Good Video. Always nice to see Ray make an appearance. Keep the vids coming guys.
I'd like to see more from the wildcat cartridge of .357 maximum Magnum rimless. It's .223 REM brass that wasn't necked down, so it fits in a standard AR15 magazines like 300BO but it's a straight wall cartridge.
Yup, I wanna see this as well.
@@Code_Made Hello Brother- Check out GUNBLUE's Video on 350 Legend.....
What's Up Ray! A1 Master Gunsmith!
yous guys channel is one of my favorite shows, keep up the good work
You guys were clear and informative
"Hi, I'm looking for some 9mm ammunition."
"..uhh... are you looking for 9mm Luger...? 9mm Makarov...?"
seriously?
For the sake of the views...
No im looking 9x25 Mauser Export
Ha! My thoughts exactly, I’d walk out at that response. Nothing worse than the firearm know-it-all asking questions like that.
9x22 Dillon please. I also need a box of 9mm kurz.
Exactly, it's clear for everybody. Even Iv8888 made a how far will a 9mm kill video and only covered Luger (don't mean to say this video wasn't useful, though)
I would love to see a 9×25 Dilllon video.
The Average Woodsman Same I didn't even know that was a thing
I have a conversion for my glock, it’s a speedy round! I reload so I’m crawling hands and knees trying to find all my spent casings lmao
Oh man I had this half backwards. Thank you for making this so clear to understand. Needed a breather at about 6:00 lol. Well done. Thanks for this resource!!
Super knowledge is where it’s at that’s how I’m looking at it I’m gonna get that book study up on cartridges thank you fellas!
Here goes my 1st comment on You Tube. Ever.
Thank you guys for the Videos, a perfect mix of knowledge & entertainment. Most importantly Thanks for not asking every 2 min in every video for people to press "Like" and subscribe.
Keep up the good work..... now off to get one of your shirts
Thanks! Now Im more confused than ever. I thought you talk about 9mm not every thing under the sun
Great video gentleman, thank you. God bless.
Love your videos like this. Great job!
See I use to have the opposite problem, I'd go into asking for something specific and get handed the wrong ammo.
You guys didn't mention the Podbyrin 9.2mm.
great video, just one think must be corrected:parabellum does not mean "for war " but "get ready for war". Georg Luger of the german firm Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken created the 9x19 bullet. At the gate of DWM there was a sign reciting the phrase of the latin poet Vegezio and the union of the words para and bellum (parabellum) became the company telex address. From then on the 9x19 was known also as the 9mm luger or the 9mm parabellum. The inscription at the gate recited: si vis pacem para bellum. If you desire peace, get ready for war
Thanks for the info, great video, good job guys!
I'll be waiting on the Dillon-Point video!
A simpler way to explain groves and lands on a barrel would be to state them as major and minor diameters much like with nut and bolt threads.
Learned a LOT thx guys
Great video, showed it to my kids, you can never have too much info
Still miss Barry 😢
Para bellum means “prepare war”
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
If you want peace, prepare for war.
In the context of 9mm para bellum, a more accurate translation is just "for war", meaning it was intended to be a military round. But yes either translation is acceptable.
@@spyderxtra777 Ok say computer in Latin....come'outer...Latin be a dead language...American English be the only living Language. parabellum now means 9mm bullet or bullet 9mm or 9mm. Also means ammo for my G19.
@@ni9465 Latin is not dead. It has evolved into the Romance Languages. As an English speaker (sort of) you ought to know that 60% percent of English words come either from Latin or from Latin derived French.
@@skepticalbadger Thank you, I am still smiling as I write. Good on so many levels!
i was hoping for a 9x39 somewhere on this list^^
_Finally_ , some info on the performance of a .357 Maximum. Been looking it up, off and on, for years.
I'd love to have a lever or pump carbine in 357 Maximum.
I was hoping to learn something new. But that is just score one for my knowledge and wait for another great video from you guys. This is explained extremely easier for people.
Huge fan from Europe here, cradle of civilization :-).... Just a slight correction "para bellum" it is latin and means get ready for war, actually the name of that 9mm, was given as a tribute to Vegecio (IV AD) who wrote "Epitoma rei militaris" he quoted "Si vis pacem, para bellum", which could be translated as: if you want peace, get ready for war or to secure peace is to prepare for war. Later on, General Patton made the quote popular...
Thanks for the vids! keep liberty rollin'!!
Umm... Err... I’m still confused but great video. 🤯
This actually taught me a bunch, thanks guys!
Wow, very informative video. I've never looked into all the variants. Good job
most enjoyable really well explained.
Rabbit holes, you betcha. Last week Midsouth had hornady 9mm bulk bullets on sale, with decimal diameters of .355 and .356 variances across a few different grain weights. I called customer service at Hornady and asked about the .356 diameter bullets and the fella said .356 was more for the 38 Super, but it can be utilized in the 9mm Parabellum. Just flipping through my library of load books, I have only found one section of info that KINDA, with caveat, supports the 355/356 interchangeability, LYMAN CAST Lead bullets, (.3555). Also RCBS cast bullet specs are .356. Cast lead pills have been problematic for me in the past as far 9mm is concerned. I would consider running Plus P .356 FMJ down a carbine, but not a handgun.
Where would you suggest getting a hand loading book? Interested in getting into hand loading.
@@alexdiersen check out hornadys reloading handbook
robot buster .001” or even .0005” won’t make a difference
First video I've saw by these guys but great video these guys are very knowledgeable learned more from these guys then almost everybody who has told me about 9mm thanks guys
Thank you for your show
4:17 He knows how kurz is pronounced.
I need a Coonan 1911 in 357 Mag...
Or you could look at 1911's in 10mm, which is very similar in power
@@johnreece8102 Getting a rimmed cartridge to work in an automatic is an uphill struggle and the Coonan while not perfect is a really nice gun, but 10mm is a far more practical dedicated semi-auto round and certainly worth looking at.
I need a Conan 1911 sword in 44 mag
10mm is better
If u can find one lol.
Great video guys. Clarifies a lot of the differences in the rounds.
I wasn't confused until I watched this.. 🤣🤣🤣Perfect description of this "talking carnival" of this two guys...