Ammo For Beginners: FMJ VS Hollowpoint
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I like to say a FMJ is like an Olympic diver diving into a pool and barely making a splash, while a hollow point is like a 350 lbs man belly flopping from the high dive.
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Great analogy xD
😂 just picturing it was awesome
Lol
I miss Barry’s wisdom for beginners back when they used the whiteboard together. God rest his soul
DocB Barry was great!
So what happened to Barry?
Exactly! Could you imagine Barry's take on all this shit?!
@@francostacy7675 Barry passed away a while ago. We will miss him. He had some good conventional wisdom, for firearms and other topics. He told me to not cowboy dork up my revolvers - among other things. I loved my grandpa but Barry sure was something else.
@@JordanI135 sorry to hear that. Thanks for replying
For beginners, but I'm not a beginner. I just enjoy listening to Eric explain things. So thanks!
@Pete are you trying to say something about yourself? I'm confused.
Kenny Childs I mean, he never really said who or what was gay, so I guess he’s figuring himself out at the moment.
To like or not to like, 69 is such a hard number to ruin...
I believe that a wise man once said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "If you leave a gunfight with more holes than you arrived with, you're having a bad day". RIP Barry.
I'm a 22 year old beginner and I'm glad I found this video, very well explained verbally and visually. I definitely learned from it
I'm learning so much thanks to the quarantine.
Daniel Alejandro chill bruh lmao
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joe massey its like some of these people never seen a female before lmao
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Daniel Alejandro hello horny police? This is the guy!
as a former LEO, I must say I have much respect to you for doing this...thank you for your channel.
In the early ‘70s law enforcement had been asking for hollow point service ammo to no avail. I was involved in a gunfight w/three armed robbery suspects in ‘74. Four rounds of my 158 grain round nose .38 failed to bring down one of them, and one officer took a .45 round to the chest (he survived) after shooting the same suspect at least twice w/the .38 round nose service ammo. Tragedy always brings about change and my agency switched to the 158 grain +P hollow point after that. In the early ‘80s I was forced to shoot a hostage taker at short range w/our “new” hollow point ammo and it stopped him, releasing the hostage unhurt.
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body. The Geneva Convention came much later and left it to the Hague Convention.
Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of bullets used by civilians and police, which is due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation.
Isn't the Army moving to a hollowpoint though? Its a Winchester I believe. M1153 I believe its called.
I want to welcome any new gun owners to the wonderful world of firearms. Do research so you know your weapon, and become safety conscious.
Great advice ! We were all newbie's once .
That’s me! Thank you I’m excited to learn
Had a B.B.gun since I was 9yo and a .22 marlin at 11yo, never shot anything that wasn't an intended target.
that said, learning is a never ending process and with technology (plastic ball HP's) there is more to understand at all levels.
Something good for the nightstand in a city isn't necessarily good for a nightstand at the cabin with critters from coyotes to bears. While bears can get into your cabin I'm fairly certain you'd rather have something more potent than a fmj .380 .
thanks man, just purchased a glock 17 today
Thanks man, just bought a desert eagle 44!
I think right now is a great time for this type of video. If you make more, you might consider putting them in a playlist for beginners :)
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Great idea !
I'm not a beginning shooter, but this was the best explanation of ammo characteristics that I've seen. You won my subscription.
Last time I was this early there was still toilet paper, .223, and 9mm
Ryan Fleming 😂
Red Line popular calibers are being hoarded yeah
I keep wondering at what point the American market will finally be saturated with ammo, and we'll all collectively decide we have enough until the population doubles again, but there seems to be no end to people's ammo hoarding.
Sometimes I think the reason aliens haven't invaded yet is because they know Americans just won't be worth the trouble.
@@fakecubed if aliens invaded, Americans would hoard them too!
IamTheStev Every man has a natural right to own as many rayguns as he likes.
Today I bought my first gun. I went with the Smith and Wesson m&p 380 shield ez .
Good buy and hopefully some ammo to compliment that purchase.
Good choice. Peace.
Here in the country I live in most of the deaths due to handgun shots are with fmj. So is safe to say that fmj's are pretty darn deadly. The downside of them is it's capability and tendency to overpenetrate. Good video as always Erick be safe!
Ahhh ammo I used love seeing this on shelves
you had shelves?
Im a new gun owner and this video was GREAT! I had the base knowledge that FMJ is mostly for target shooting but had no real idea why. Thanks for the info!
I like to compare Hollow points to popcorn( Hollow Tips for slang) ! When a popcorn seed comes in contact with heat it expands. When a Hollow point comes in contact with the target it expands. And just like the popcorn, a Hollow point can double in size or diameter as well!
I think the area that you could have touched on for new gun owners was the difference in penetration between ball ammo and hollow points. You and Chad often say, "You're responsible for every round you put down range." It might have been helpful to explain that hollow points dissipate their energy quickly (and thus less chance of over penetration) as opposed to ball ammo.
The most important factor of using a hollow points is not so much about causing wound damage, as it is about not overpenetrating said Target , it's designed to STOP on impact and yes it dumps all of its energy in doing so , but it stops ! It's most important where there can be unknowns beyond said Target . Police officers are faced with these conditions. Thank you Erik
I never knew about the plastic ball tipped rounds.
This is why I love watching "fundamentals" videos, because I always seem to learn something new, even if 99.99% of what was said was stuff I already knew. Great video!
agreed.
something as remedial as a bullet tip can become extremely versatile with a little bit of plastic (or lead) and shaped a certain way.
I sort of wish he put in some wad-cutters though.
I have HP ammo for soft targets. I have FMJ and Cast bullets to go through obstacles (car doors, body armor, etc) that is in front of soft targets. They may not penetrate body armor, but will go far enough through to do enough damage to distract or stop an attacker.
As a newbie to the gun world, I found this video VERY helpful to explain the differences in the ammo world. Great video and much appreciated!
I was trying to explain to my son's the difference between rounds and you said it much better than I could have. Great job thank you for the information
Thank you for these beginner videos. The gun community is extremely welcoming to newcomers, and I'm learning a ton of new stuff every day by watching your videos.
Im a new gun owner 9mm Glock because of Covid19 i have Underwood hilo tips and Sig ammo also Fmj range ammo I was also confused thanks this is the Best information i seen yet on RUclips thank you for clearing the confusion.
Excellent info for "newbies" ...I've been shooting firearms since the mid 1960's....so I understand all of your explanations.....but for someone new to firearms...this info is essential....!!!
back in the '90s, they made copper washed bullets for reloading to conserve on overhead for the consumer. Check to the difference between Bonded Hollowpoints (Gold dot) and Ballistic tips (Critical Defense)
Enjoyed this video a ton, even coming from a well experienced gun owner. You are a very intelligent, well spoken dude. Always appreciate your information.
FMJ tends to feed better from magazines then hollow point ammo, which can get caught on a feed ramp. Reliability is the FMJ's only big advantage. If you find which hollow point ammo feeds well from your particular gun it is pretty much not an issue.
@2:50 militaries always use ball ammo because hollowpoints and/or expanding ammo is/are banned by some convention, although i think the US didnt sign one of them so thats why they can issue BTHP ammo for their precision rifles
Again...with a big shout-out to the Soviet 5.45 round....the expanding bullet that wasn't.
US military uses FMJ because all the latest new and improved ballistic testing says hits on target, ie. placement, not ammo choice is primary deciding factor. Lots of new info out there for people in the know. Lots of warfighter knowledge and testing have been pushed forward and override all the past ballistic gel civilian and military testing. Double taps and shot placement are the keys.
Well, commendable clarity and pragmatic honesty. Every one of them will severely injure anyone in the way.
To all the beginners watching this, welcome to the 2A Community! Hope to see y'all at the range when this is all over. Stay safe everyone!
Eric thank you for this informative video. I've been aroung guns for 45 of my 55 years and my now second wife of 10 years has just let me buy her a 9mm and wanted to know about the different ammo and grans and differences of FMJ and hollow points and try as I may she just couldn't get and here you come and Wala SHE GETS IT NOW!!
THANKS FOR THE GREAT VIDEO AND FOR TAKING AWAY MY MIGRAINE 🤣
this is good info for everybody. thank you for putting this out there and thank you for helping others.
Thank you so much for this video. New gun owner here- Beretta 92 A1. This helps me know where to focus my ammo buying. Happy Thanksgiving!
I would also recommend Paul Harrell's video's testing ammo. I use Hornady Critical Defense based on his testing.
Long time viewer and I still watch a the beginner and basics videos. Never hurts to be reminded of the basics.
Appreciate the info. Been needing to brush back up on this stuff. Haven't shot in so many years
Also for anyone that may be looking into this for the first time, words like lethality and deadly are used a lot. The important thing to remember is the point isn't to kill what you're shooting at. We're defending ourselves. The point is to cause enough damage that it STOPS whomever or whatever is attacking you. Sometimes, the only thing that stops that is death, but the important thing to remember is that you and your family will still be around afterwards.
@11:00, when you’re talking about soft points, I like that you are (subconsciously?) demonstrating the twist a round does as it moves.
Just a heads up I've watched this show for years and this episode was still very informative and a great reminder
Excellent video Eric! I wish there was something like this for me when I started MY journey into firearms, instead of having to learn it and figure things out on my own. Bravo, sir!
I went into this video knowing the difference, but I still learned something when he brought up polymer filled hollow points. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Eric for helping the new gun owners with viable and necessary information! 👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸👊👊
Always loved your videos . You guys have done a lot of practical research for everybody . Not having the right ammo for the job, is like expect to win a high speed car race with bald third rate tires . They're just not going to get you to the winners circle.
FMJ is requred by the Geneva accords, but contrary to popular belief, the US is not a signer to those accords, but they tend to follow them ... for the most part.
I think it was the Hague conventions that tackled the Fmj after the introduction of the Spitzer I might be wrong though
@@sandysandy8184 I used to know all that stuff, but I learned it in my teens, lot of it has gone bye bye. . Like during the development of the Casul magnum, the guy did what most consider a big no no, he mixed various powders (of what was available then, much less that is available now) together to try to find the right power level that he wanted. He even mixed types of powder, pistol shotgun and rifle, which back then were actually differently shaped when you looked at them close up. A neighbor gave me all his old American Rifleman and Guns and ammo magazines I'd study them like there was gonna be a test. Why, I don't know now.
@@tootall5559 I kinda remembered it from school....I had to check wiki after and I was sorta correct something about the original reasons for Fmj was with repeating firearms making easier to cycle
Very true. Mk318 open tip rounds are used by the marines and various US special forces units. It's a pretty nasty round.
@@sandysandy8184 at one time I was told because it's a less lethal round if shot placement isn't great. straight holes are easier to plug up than the ones hollow points make, both externally and internally... don't know the truth of that.
Lmao, today is my 43rd bday and all im doing is watching your vids for helping me. By far my favorite teach. Then I watch John (wps) to laugh at yet damn he's good. Thank u, Eric, you've helped a lot!
If you are just starting to prep/learn, FMJ is also better for armor piercing. Hollowpoints wont make it through a bullet proof vest, but FMJ can.
FMJ isn't a great home defensive round because of this, as it just keep penetrating, and could go through a wall(s) and hurt an innocent person/family member in another room/house. This is why most militaries use FMJ as they want it to go through body armor.
Also bigger ammo isn't always better, say 5.56 vs 7.62. 5.56 has more penetrating power as its moving faster, but the 7.62 has more stopping power and can knock someone off their feet. 5.56 will go through armor easier then 7.62 despite being smaller.
So basically, self defense use hollowpoints, if you are in a SHTF(bugout) situation FMJ is better since you dont know if your target has armor.
HI. To put part of this reply into perspective I say if a Toyota Corolla going 120 mph hits the side of a house,and, a fully loaded 18 wheeler going 60 mph hits the side of house. What do you think would cause more damage?
@@capesquirt Please troll elsewhere thanks. I don't deal with it. Cars aren't bullets hitting bullet proof plates. As stated a faster moving 5.56 has more penetrating power a 7.62 has more stopping power. It's that simple. Level 3 body armor can take 7.62 rounds with no problem, but 5.56 can go through it? Why it's faster moving. Everything has it's pros and cons. Nothing is perfect. There is no perfect caliber.
Good info. Another newbie tip; Bullet weight. It's important to find the projectile weight your firearm likes, that along with powder load can make a big difference in the way it performs. Not being a reloaded, I just pick a weight from a manufacture that shoots the best in that gun, get lots of it and practice, practice, practice.
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yessir!
If you're referring to IV8888 they're from Georgia.
From Texas to and also he’s meaning he’s from Texas as the YALL
@@texaswrath1490 ah shit whoops lol
@@texaswrath1490 The importance of commas.
Wow iraqveteran8888 you are a guru! Bought my first hand gun today and I was wondering about this topic exactly, you my good man have earned another follower god bless you sir
Excellent video! Thank you for breaking down the basics of ammo in a way that really helped me understand the differences.
Not a new shooter at all, but always lookig for great training videos for my new shooter friends. Awesome descriptions and detailed explanations. Nice job!
Pro tip: Hollow bullet makes a hollow target.
Thanks for making this video. I myself got a Federal .223 soft point.
@Thystaff Thywill thank you. I was on the edge for the longest time. But made the jump.
Hi bro i am EHSAN from pakistan Punjab...bro you're good job i liked your all video god information give love u bro
How are y'all doing over there with all this madness going on?
@@2wheeleddemon999 I'd like to know too. Must be bad. For everyone. Even though Pakistan is not a "direct combat zone", I'd imagine its stressful. @Chaudhary Khan
I only buy,shoot and carry fmj.
Especially since I carry 230 gr. 45acp and its slow and i want max penetration.
I think most hollowpoints are mainly bogus. Bones are strong. Gelatin blocks are not.
Great video, but how about doing one on how to tell between a regular and +P , a lot of guns say not to use +P in their GUNS. I have a couple that can't use +P. Many new gun owners might not know the difference.
I'm well stocked up on FMJ 9mm, Yes it won't do as much damage, But at least I got a lot of it for what it is needed for. Plus I got ammo for my rifles as well, Better to hold back, than to waste it.
A lesson I learned from my first negligent discharge: my printer can stop 115 grain 9mm Winchester rounds pretty easily
Codeine Cowboy lol!!!! What happened?
first?
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Lost Dragon you beat me too the question
I hope you’re kidding
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Whatever you have when something pops off is what you use, regardless of what it is. Just make sure if conceal carry you at least have some hollow point for that weapon due to less passthrough, but don't be afraid to use ball ammo if that's all you have. Just be aware of what's behind your target if you do.
Last time I was this early they were filming at Moss Pawn
Excellent video! Speer Gold Dots are definitely my preferred defensive ammunition.
Your reviews are second to none well done 🤘🏻💯
Thanks for doing this video. This is never explained in gun shops. Really important info for all gun owners to know.
Hits on target rate higher followed by choice of ammo in order of importance.
How much deviation do you expect from your training ammo vs your carry ammo? It's practically insignificant < 20 yds.
I've always wondered if a FMJ would be a better choice for a handgun round out west for grizzly defense. The main reason would be for headshots since I understand grizzlies can go for a long time even after a heartshot if they get adrenalized. For me this is an academic question and I don't pretend to think it would be an easy task. Just food for thought.
Paul Harrel has a great channel and is my go-too guy for firearms practical knowledge. Dude's legit AF, check him out.😁👍
Paul is thorough, and I always enjoy his videos, but Eric covers more ground in this video, albeit more shallowly.
Paul Harrell actually goes out in the field and shows you the difference. Instead of some of the guys that just talk talk talk.
@@EthanMcKee. different styles. In this video, for example, Eric had a good amount of "B roll" playing to correspond with the subject.
@@Stevarooni yeah he sure does have alot of b roll doesnt he.. I like Paul's style better myself. It's nice to see someone like paul for a change. To many people sitting indoors yacking away.
I don’t think either channel is better, nor are they competing as creators. They each fill a niche within the firearm genre of RUclips.
Great video! (for beginners and intermediate alike!) One point I was surprised to learn was: Rifle and Pistol ammo 'types' behave differently. For example I was interested in buying "hollow-point" rifle ammo. But doing research and watching many ballistic gel test; a small 'hole' at the tip of rifle ammo acts more like ball ammo, than hollow point. That air pocket for rifles gives it more accuracy. I've seen them called "sierra" or "sierra match" sometimes. Like you said in the video, soft nose/lead nose ammo has good all around uses. I saw very interesting SP ammo tests. Thank you for all do! God bless you!
Sadly you missed mentioning the major caveat of using fmj's for protection - that it can kill what's behind the target due to over penetraition.
He does say jacketed rounds will penetrate better so I think that would be a given
That's what I was missing in this video. New shooter might be inclined to choose FMJ out of sense of misplaced humanity, to "not hurt his assailant as much" and not realize the danger of overpenetration to innocent bystanders.
So you can shoot two alphabet boi’s in one go!
@@romanpolak3239 yeah, over penetration is a pretty important thing to dive into - it's pretty much the only thing that makes or break the "FB|" standards... and the reason why they have that is so innocent people don't get hurt. I think in situations of shtf, as long as no one is behind the scoundrels/attackers, FMJ is just as good or even a better choice because of penetration.
I didn’t hear nothing about steel case vs. brass either! Anyone have an opinion?
I think it is important for new gun owners to understand that hollow points are much less likely to overly penetrate as well. They are safer rounds for self defense. Reducing possible injury to by standers etc. Hollow points are misrepresented terribly by anti self protection politicians and the media. This is a good opportunity to inform some of the uninitiated.
Great video no matter your level of understanding of firearms!
I'm new to guns and ammunition thanks for the explanations.
I’ll use whatever I can get my hands on. My 1911 uses jacketed rounds while any smaller calibers will use hollow points
I'm in Richmond Midlothian tpk. At Holliday express. I work out of town. There is a lot of army stationed here at the hotel. They are doing PE around the hotel. I got out of my truck wearing my pdw postal. And my carry bag. I here from 80 yards away from this African American girl that was doing PE saying we're going to knock you down.
good info
Good information. I guess it helps when we have a military background. I still have yet to fire my handguns cant wait to go to the range.
FMJ for target shooting HP for self defense
Thanks for the video you explained it perfectly much appreciated
Dont knock fmjs guys. They've used them in guns for 85 percent of their history
used in 90% due to military use exept the 300 years before they invented jacketed rounds.
Not really, the round lead ball was used for most of firearm history.
Jackets weren't needed until smokeless powder which is the 1880s and hollow point rounds were around before smokeless powder, at least as early as 1870, if not before then.
TDLR: Hollow points predate FMJ
@@TheAlexagius Great comment! Smokeless poweder didn't become prevelent til the 1880's.
@@TheAlexagius I meant non cavitated bullets
@@imgladandrewgillumisnotmyk5787 yes hollow points are relatively new
As a future gun owner . I appreciate you guys taking the time to informs us. Thanks
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This video is very helpful and knowledgeable about knowing rounds for beginners like myself. Thanks guys appreciate it, now I know what rounds to get for a pistol
Welcome new gun owners!
I carry Hornaday Critical Defense in my 9mm and 40 S&W. I also have carried Federal HST in my 40. I have Critical Defense loaded in my DPMS Oracle and 40 S&W carbine for home defense. My follow up magazines on my 40 carbine are Hornaday American Gunner with XTP bullets (two mags on the stock). In my experience, Hornaday and Federal ammunition is universally reliable and accurate. I'll plink at the range with the cheap stuff, but my defensive ammo has to be the very best. I've never tried Speer Gold Dot myself, but I've heard nothing but good things about it and would consider carrying it as well.
Can we get a vid on cleaning up old guns? I just bought a bolt action mossberg 410 and its dirty, rusty and everything sticks. How to i get it up to scratch?
Just look up that firearm and cleaning on RUclips, odds are already a dozen smaller channels or some larger ones already have that out.
allansolano9 great time see how excited this community is to get the newcomers involved!
He has many vids cleaning surplus weapons covered in cosmoline
Just be careful not to damage or deface the serial numbers by accident or else the gun is worse than worthless
Rem oil and a copper brush will work great on the rust. Sand paper and truoil for the stock.
Great video!
Over penetration was, for me, another reason why I carry hollow points.
When is the next tour of moss pawn
Years ago, when working security, an old man asked me what I carry. 45 ACP for duty with HP. He told me that will over penetrate. I should get a 9mm with fmj. Will stop inside. He information was wrong. Then, at a big box store, a lady asked the clerk for best defense ammo. Both fmj and HP sitting next to each other. He gave her a box of fmj for in house defense. So, there are ""expert person"" can be wrong. So just get several opinion before buying
Eric and Chad thank you thank you for making videos like this people tend to come up to me and ask me the same thing.. unfortunately I really don't have the time to talk to them because I work 14 to 17 hours a day 7 days a week. I tend to show people RUclips videos like this. Keep making beginner videos because a lot of beginners are coming to me.. you guys rock!
What's the point of working 14-17 hrs. 7 days a week?! What's the point of life If you're just working the entire time and have no time for yourself except to eat and sleep?
Not trying to be a jerk just dont understand. Only thing that would make sense to me is saving up for something as quickly as possible??
@@perchowski3021 btw I'll be buying 2 other semis pretty soon and will bring two of my friends on board and they will drive for me.. that way I will have more time with the family and training in the field.
Thanks for a very timely video. I was trying to explain all this to a new shooter just a few days ago. Now she can get confused by you guys not just me, lol.
Most important is shot placement. Fmj rounds ARE effective with proper shot placement. However in an adrenaline filled situation, unless you have had intense training, accuracy lessens with the increased stress. And that is where hollow points are advantagous. With hollow points you don't necessarily need an A zone shot to incapacitate an attacker.
I don’t mind these at all, I started with channel also years ago. Rest In Peace Berry.
Your doing a great job Eric and Chad; running the channel.
You are very professional. 😊 Thank you.
I wish you guys had a ruler in the background of the slow mo shots into ballistic gel. It would be cool to be able to measure rise in the temporal cavity round VS round.
I learned a lot, from this video and all of the gun gripes episodes with you and Barry
Perhaps next time you'll include the inceptor ARX, which is a defensive round based upon fluid dynamics instead of expansion. Tests have shown that comparing caliber to caliber the Inceptor ARX will actually creat a larger temporary and permanent wound cavity...approximately one and a half to twice the size of the JHP. Something to consider when deciding on defensive ammo.
Great video! I thought I new enough about ammo but when you start actually shopping around for stuff, lots of questions come up.
I very much enjoyed Eric's discussion of temporal mechanics.