The CHAOS That Followed Poor Weather Reporting | Lufthansa Flight 2904
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2022
- In this video, we'll discuss the Lufthansa Flight 2904 air crash, which occurred followed reports of windshear and poor weather reporting.
This crash killed one of the Pilots and one passenger, leaving several others injured. This crash raised many questions about the role weather reporting may have played in the tragedy. We'll explore the factors that led to the crash and the challenges faced by the Pilots dealing with a dynamic, evolving situation with some known and unknown factors.
Lufthansa Flight 2904, an Airbus A320 was flying from Frankfurt, Germany to Warsaw, Poland.
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**A320neo model shown in video.
This is crazy and really unfortunate. It seems that everything that could go wrong does go wrong in a series of unfortunate events! Great video as usual thanks
That’s true, perhaps if they were informed about the variable wind, it may have been different, but even still, it seems to have been a combination issue on top of issue.
not everything did go wrong THE ATC's really need a Meteorogists at every fucking tower, this will help aviation. also they need a 100meter anenta with gopros and anominets and wind probes for low level shears low level clouds and actual point around the aerodrome t see what conditions qua visibility and they'd see that big front coming. 2000meters? 6000feet yeah pint them gopros in the air, seriously all on the tower the towers every towers needs to be a meteorological center WAAAAAAAY BETTER then all of them they are now.
I’ve heard somewhere that typically there are a minimum of 7 cascading failures that contribute to a plane crash. Prevent 1 of them and a crash is normally avoided.
@@CuriousPilot90you read the TAF wrong. BECMG 2124 means there is a GRADUAL change from 2100zulu to 2400zulu to the conditions listed
Your aviation knowledge is incredible. I find these videos very educating, I hope you continue to make great quality videos, this channel is going places 😀
Thanks Alex, I appreciate that!
Loved the way you broke down and explained the destination weather forecast.
I am really pleased I stumbled upon your channel. Your work is exceptional. Cheers from Canada.
An extremely professional and informative presentation delivered with great aviation knowledge, if not experience. Super!
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Watch, in a year your channel will have close to a million. With 1 in 4 being a fearful flier, stats are on your side :). I hope to overcome my fear… been 13 years since my last flight
That would be nice! Good Luck!
When you see RA in the forecast, it means ‘moderate’ rain , not just rain.
Moderate is a significant downpour.
Love your videos. Keep the good work
Thank you .
Clear and concise.
Fascinating!
Quick suggestion: Lufthansa (almost) crash at Hamburg with the A320. That famous wing strike incident.
I was not aware of this one.. wow.
This one hits close to home, since it happened on Polish soil. Btw, I have a video suggestion: the crash of Polish Air Force flight 101 near Smolensk in 2010. Especially given you're a military pilot yourself, I feel you could provide some insight into, among others, what might have been going on in the pilots' mind. They had the bloody Commander in Chief breathing down their necks!
Thank you for the comment, I’ll have a look when I get a spare moment. You find a lot of older incidents where the ‘cockpit gradient’ is so heavily tilted towards the captain that the Co-Pilot would not feel comfortable or confident enough to stop the captain from making a mistake. Even sometimes when that mistake leads to a crash! Crazy.
@@CuriousPilot90 Say what? I thought CRM fixed all that. Although you did say "older" events, CRM was up and running in 2010. Maybe it hadn't made its way into the military - I never flew in the military.
Ah - we're still humans at the end of the day.
Please don't cover that 101 crash. Politics and conspiracies should be kept away from healthy discussions.
How did the one pilot and passenger die?
1521 in the TAF means from 15:00to 21:00. not at 15:21 precisely!
Same with BECMG 2124. He said at 2124 I'm like. No. And this guy is an RAF pilot. How does he not know this?
TEMPO 1521 means up to 60 min between hours of 1500-2100
Which pilot perished, the instructor, or the one in post 90 day 'brush up' training? Any chance they could have decided once the aircraft righted itself from left side that they could have applied full power, taken off and did a go around? (Or is it usually, once on the ground try your damnedest to stay on the ground)? Not enough runway, by then? Would this whole outcome probably have been avoided had their speed been reduced prior to landing, or was it a combination of all factors?
@@sncy5303 Thanks.
Personally I think he added too much speed. I will assume Vapp is Vref +5. To then add 20kts for the possible wind shear is too much unless the runway is dry and on this aircraft type is around 2,500 meters +. I did not hear as to whether they briefed for missed approach for windshear which is substantially different than a missed approach for other reasons.
Pretty good video, except, I’m wondering what a Thrust Reserve is!
Oops, probably a bit of mumbling on my part!
If ATC had communicated poor breaking action on the active wonder if that would have triggered the crew into evaluating the landing?
A lot channels report the pilots experience in total hours and hours in type. I'd like to see total 'pilot flying' takeoffs and landings added and also in type
They must of been fully aware of the excess energy in the last phase just prior to touchdown. That was the moment one of them should acted on what they must of been thinking, this is a fuck up! Go around. Startle effect. hot item nowadays with CRM. And rightly so.
why an embankment there in the first place? why not stuff off the end of a runway to slow down an airplane?? why not deploy at least one fire engine near the end of runways in bad weather?
Cold ray satellites do this at street, the wind is manipulated at the path of the cold ray laser beam. Satellites change quickly position, causing the crash . The laser beam is similar to the cold felt in the freezer. That causes a high speed wind. If you can jump away from the path of the beam, there is no wind at all.
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Don't land when there's windshear
That would mean avoiding Texas... which (note that my mother grew up in Texas!) might not be a bad idea for now
Certainly to have a tail wind behind him was a huge factor they weren't expecting or advised of or they never would have attempted the landing.
"...that the embankment be described in the AIP for Poland"
yeah that'll make a difference... not! Which pilot in the world will brief: if we do go off the runway, lets make sure we miss the embankment as written in AIP
Why didn't they go around? Maybe this is a stupid question but idc
What are thrust reservers?. Or are you talking about thrust reversers?.
I think curiouspilot's caught and corrected this in more recent vids - the first one I came across was a shambolic Russian airline disaster connected to maintenance &thrust reverser issues - but there are more or less tactful ways to thank somebody for an excellent and well-researched video and note it sounds like they may have had a slip of the tongue and gotten the word reverse reversed. ;)
I think you could do well with your obvious technical knowledge to try and tell more of a story of the flight/disaster instead of just the technical stuff. It will make you more digestible to non aviators.
Which one of the pilots was killed?
Co-pilot.
All major airlines accidents has topic in Wikipedia.
Guys... the last words where "SCHEISSE" what means F*ck...
actually i think highspeed rail is safer now. Than Commercial Jet Aviation, talking as a Captain with 12k hours on the A330, now i'm a flight dispatcher and European 'sigmet' coordinator. where was I during this incident? not in poland, but definitely in amsterdam working my ass off how the northern parts of the land is constantly shifting weather by the EFFING HOUR EHLW, military base, seriously those are topguns, but they complain about the shifting weather allot and the departing ANDIK departure routes, i even help ATC's to advice them on SID AND STARS based on the direction for RW in use on EHLW EHVD and conflicts between the latter and Rotterdam the hague airport and EHGG Conflicts with maastricht airport as well. it's a real bitch but i got the job because i got my masters in meteorology and an extra certificate from the ESTOFEX (EUROPEAN STORM FORECAST EXPERIMENT, which is now actually ESTOM (m for management and we do our own sorts of METARS enhanced risks)TO PREVENT THIS KIND OF POLISH INCOMPETENCE and i am trying to push pilots or manufacturers to automatically send video and info about RW conditions often a plane lands safely then the shit hits the fan, and ATC's are too concentrated on 45nm arrivals. as one is already established, and don't even notice the rain. and there's not everywhere a windshear alert horn in a tower as is in the USA per regulations on airports support medium sized aircraft. non controlled.. u have that too in the US and as a pilot you must be vigilant 154knots meaning they were 170knots at least.... at a short runway, GO AROUND
GO AROUND
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gethereirtus? that doesn't exists it's just get in air again. and feel the turbulence. and after 20mins you can go ILS cat II on the opposite side. Even if you need spd brakes to reduce Ground Speed and IAS because low level shear, especially the netherlands with inverted seabreeze..... i mean last week there was a klm Embraer gone upset 180 degrees and in a flat spin "mayday maydaymayday, we're at SUGOL IN A FLAT SPIN Lost COntrol of aircraft UPSET UPSET WAKE WAKE... WAIT "PNF " "WE RECOVERED JUST ABOVE THE SEA AND WE ARE OBSERVING VERY HIGH WATERPROUT'S FROM THE fl130 OVC Clouds Base as we thought wake from following the atlast 744" but it turned out to be 3 waterspouts on the approach path AND GUESS WHAT the 744 got through between em but they move and seriously I told em, Send em all to NIRSI AVOID SUGOL and tell The british they need to descend earlier to an altitude of max 060 flying through one will flip you around at 070 and omg, they made it at radalts atc wouldn't budge when i told them the cap broke over the north sea, and we are gonna have high level spouts like we had the last two months and shouting wolf 2 months, well i told em according to satellite images and windspeed and reflectivity there are EF0's doing F2 winds... the netherlands are second place for tornado's even if just spouts. that too in the US and as a pilot you must be viligent 154knots meaning they were 170knots atleast.... at a short runway, GO AROUND
Do i really have to evacuate a plane if its pouring outside?
True, I’m sure the rain will have put they fire out by the time airport staff can get to you with umbrellas, best to stay dry 😉
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Why do you use metric system? Seems really off ... I would understand if it's Russia.
not everything did go wrong THE ATC's really need a Meteorogists at every fucking tower, this will help aviation. also they need a 100meter anenta with gopros and anominets and wind probes for low level shears low level clouds and actual point around the aerodrome t see what conditions qua visibility and they'd see that big front coming. 2000meters? 6000feet yeah pint them gopros in the air, seriously all on the tower the towers every towers needs to be a meteorological center WAAAAAAAY BETTER then all of them they are now.
Besides not all airbus A320's need both weight on wheels for THR REV and SPD BRAKES to work and the ATC is to blame....they should've told the aircraft to go around, because any modern tower has a windshear alarm, either its slight and it's a windcheck TO the pilots, or a GO around RW Closed, water and Microburst/WINDSHEAR ALARM this is why you dont see this type of shit since the 90ties in the US, especially with airbus craft.
as for the pilots Windshear Reportedz? Increase speed, dont let off fly groundspeed incare of microburst or coldfronts. as heavy as these poland is also heavy weather center#6 in the world with #4 in tornado's as poland has often low level shears. 154 knots? after touchdown markers? GoAround, What fucking training, yeah what pilot got kiled? i hope pilot monitoring because he should've said GO AROUND! MY CONTROLS Priority X, now as i am anti human life on earth, rest in peace dead ones, you are the lucky ones
I enjoy your videos very much, and I'm happy YT suggested your channel.
In the last few videos I've watched, you started addressing only the 'guy' viewers. I wonder why. (Too much Mentour perhaps?)
It's not cool and totally unnecessary.
Yes, I'm aware people say they use this to address everyone, but if that were a valid argument, 'girls' would be an equally often used term to address an entire mixed audience AND everybody would be equally fine with that. This is highly improbable though.
So if you could go back to the manner of addressing the entirety of your audience in the elegant way you did in the first videos, that would make it a more pleasurable viewing experience for everyone.
Thanks!
Ugh!!!
@@vr6jettar - elegant response!
@Mandy Walkden-Brown Thank You 😊 👍🏻
This is not about feminism and woke stuff...it's about planes....keep your politics to yourself. Even American women say "guys" to address a mixed group
@Ben Winter, that does not make any sense.
There is nothing political or 'woke', as you call it, about my comment. Even if there was, either choice would be a 'political' issue. Just because one variant of a phenomenon on any scale is more acceptable, more familiar or more widespread as another, does not mean that the more familiar variant isn't on this scale at all.
For example: people may say a particular speaker does not have an accent. There is no such thing. All variants of pronunciation are an accent of some sort. Not just the ones that differ from what most people are familiar with, find most acceptable, has the most status, etc.
In addition to that, I find it a bit odd that you are trying to dictate that people can only talk about 'planes' in the comment section, as in this comment section I have read things about editing, the way the information is presented, etc.
So if it matters to you to be consistent in your reasoning and are, as you are here, passionate about making sure people only talk about 'planes' in the comment sections of aviation incident videos, and not about editing technology/skills or linguistics and semantics for example, I'm afraid you have your work cut out for you!
90% of all Aircraft Accidents/Losses in General Aviation and Commercial Aircraft is due to "Pilot Error". With Severe Wind Shears and a High Velocity Approach, the idiot should have declared a 'Missed Approach' and Execute a Go-Around. The Instructor Captain in the Right Seat, obviously did not check the length of Runway 11, nor the need to Abort the landing. Was he the one that was killed ?
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