I hope you enjoyed the video. **Slight error at the start, this incident occurred on 8 November 2017 not 2019 as said. Thank you @alphabravo2671 for pointing that out!
@@spinkid2000Not relevant, as the voice over was talking about other planes being ordered to hold off from landing. The 737 was being one of those being delayed. Suggest you replay and take note.
There was another incident in Cape Town, South Africa where an engine fell off during takeoff that you might want to take a look at. The airline was the now defunct National Airline that the pilots landed safely.
@@lesedihlabirwalekgoro1942 this is correct in recent years, Lesedi. I absolutely agree with you. Their cabins are filthy and there is a lot that needs attention. Personally, I will not fly with them. They used to be one of the best.
I flew the RJ85 at Airlink up to 2010 and then went to Central Africa to fly the BAe146 for another 7 years. Great airplanes. I heard about this incident but never knew the story behind the story. Thanks for an insightful video.
I trained at FAOR in 2012 / 2013 on Tower. The RJ85 just seemed to hang a bit on the upwind from 03L before that right turn out for the lowveld destinations - you really didn't want to push anything too close. Maybe another RJ85 or a JS41 but a 737 just seemed to munch the distance between.
@@rodcodesYes the RJ certainly was no speed demon with those thick Super Cub wings. Short field airplane, operated the RJ easily out of Anjouan in the Comoros, 1100m. runway with 70 pax.
@@anne-vn2gz That's certainly impressive for an aircraft that stubby and chubby, that's not a lot of runway - the JS41 needs more than that! I'll give it some respect back!
I probably said this the first time I saw a video of yours and subscribed. You speak clearly and slowly and most importantly, you have no background music. I appreciated the tech talk w/r/t the causes and then how you followed up with the simplified terms for us non-airline engineers. I even sat through your luggage ad, as it's something that at the very least is an appropriate one for an aviation channel. I was however wondering how expensive it must be if the code is giving us $300 off our order. $2,000 and $1500 for the checked version and carry-on version. At least we in the US get free shipping. Anyway, thank you for a very informative video on what certainly was a scary ride. Happy the crew did what they had to do and got everyone down without injury.
A very well done video. These folks won the lottery that day. Things could have been much worse. When that rotor wheel came apart, it's just as likely that it could have thrown the shrapnel up and through the wing, or to the right, and through the fuselage. It could have done both, some through the wing, some through the fuselage. Shrapnel through the fuselage would be devastating. Minimum, there would be an explosive decompression of the cabin. Being at 34,000 feet, the pressure differential is a worse case scenario. Add to that, it is highly likely that at least some of the shrapnel would strike one or more passengers, causing traumatic or fatal injuries. With any shrapnel penetrated the wing, the list of possible damages is sobering. Fuel leak, hydraulic leak/failure of hydraulic systems, severing of flight control cables, structural damage of the wing, etc. Yeah, they dodged a bullet that day.
Yeah I immediately thought how lucky that it didn't hit the fuselage. I thought they would land at a closer option but it's nearly always the man in the driver's seat that knows best because he has the closest feel to things going on with the equipment.
Should be with 90% having been trained by the military. Standard joke of where do you find SA pilots in abundance, and the answer is flying Emirates and Quantas, along with BA.
Great explanation and breakdown. That's the main reason I love your videos. Thank God the number two turbine wheel didn't explode in the other direction toward the fuselage. It would've been much worse.
The discussion of the nut coming undone reminded me that on a bicycle one of the pedals is always attached by a left-handed thread, the other one has a right hand thread. That way the thrust and rotation always tends to tighten it on rather than undo it, so even if it is not correctly torqued, it can't come undone. I would have expected the rotor on a jet engine bearing a considerable amount of thrust would be done with the same principle, but maybe there's a reason why not.
Exactly my thoughts on "handing" engines, BUT, unfortunately this could lead to several complications in: manufacture, maintenance, and spares holding.
hheheheehe so glad i am reading your comment, just in this week of 5 Feb to 11 Feb 24 I had the same problem on my bicycle until I put some lock tight on the thread. Every time I got back to my flat I had to tighten the left bolt, but my problem was the left bolt holding the pedal arm to the pedal shaft, not the pedal itself, but yes its a reason why one has a left and right-hand thread on the pedals itself, but yes also to your comment about why this did not happen to this on the plane,
I found that strange also, I think due to the positive outcome and the thought process behind their decision, the action was not criticised by the investigators.
A pilot is allowed to divert from the procedures if he thinks this is the more safer option. Continue to a familiar airport (knowledge about he runway, navigaitional aids and surrounding terain might be a consideration). No inmidiate danger (e.g. no fire) might also be taken in account. The 146 with two engines INOP still can be operated safelty. I don't see a problem.
@pascalcoole2725 Sorry, but the flight crew themselves expressed concern that given the lost 2 engines that they might also lose the other 2. They had no evidence that the other 2 engines also didnt suffer from the problem of the first 2 and to continue on after voicing that concern I believe was a significant and serious mistake. The fact that it didn't kill anybody doesn't make it any less serious or incorrect.
In an Emergency and after declaring a “Mayday”. Pilots can land at Any airfield. The QRH would have instructed the crew to Land at the Nearest Suitable Airport, after losing 2 Engines. This was a stupid and reckless decision by the Captain. This was a serious and dangerous situation that required a diversion to the nearest suitable airfield. The crew should have done so!
One thing to note is that for this round trip the aircraft would have departed from OR Tambo with a full fuel load, as the airport at Harare is well known to have fuel supply issues, and thus all airlines that fly to it make alternate fuel arrangements, as otherwise they might not actually be able to fly out without buying jet fuel on the black market. Plus you have to pay landing fees in cash.
@@CuriousPilot90 Zimbabwe is kind of a special place, due to hyperinflation the Zimbabwe dollar is regarded as useless, and all transactions are now done in US dollars, or any other local currency other than the zimdollar. When you have a 100 trillion dollar note, 1 and 18 zeros after it, and it is worth more as scrap paper than as an actual currency note, you have a problem.
While they were incredibly lucky the shrapnel from the engine did not hit them worse, the crew did a really good job staying calm and making as safe decisions as possible
Lucky the shrapnel from number 2 engine didn’t exit on the other side and penetrate the hull, potentially striking occupants and causing a depressurisation.
@@CuriousPilot90 funny true story, the Aviation community. New Zealand is pretty small so I was going to Wellington our capital and sitting on the jump seat in a short haul domestic flight then carried out by Saab 340 B aircraft , we were asked to expedite ahead of a Bae146, unusually in air-traffic control situations, the crew from the 146 made a snide remark, and said, are you able to expedite when you are only powered by two windmills ? to which the captain on my flight, a very humorous guy with quick wit, Said , pretty sure we can. Are you able to keep up with only 4 hairdryers for power?! no further remark from the 146 pilots! (the 146 was a fairly light aircraft for a four turbofan power plant, each of which were, relatively speaking,quite small)
@@josh2961 yes at all, can be a bit complex in mysterious. Well explained by curious pilot. I’m quite lucky in that I have been involved in petrochemical and power generation industries with gas turbines that I’ve seen apart - and a mate or two who has explained stripped down aircraft gas turbine engines
@@malcolmwhite6588 Haha, a lot of people are describing the engines as 'leaf blowers' and 'hair dryers'. The side effect being known as a whisper jet because it was so quiet. I managed to get a trip to New Zealand on an A400M (before I became a pilot). We were cleared to fly low around the coast of the south island. What a beautiful place!
The clarity of this video is beyond amazing! Coupled with your very clear and easy to understand narration is beyond any other out there! This would have been disastrous if that disc had of blown out on the other side and penetrated the pressurized fuselage 😳
Thank you, that’s nice to hear. That’s true, the best case scenario was that the shrapnel blown straight down, second best was through the other engine.
Have flown on 146s many times and once the flaps are retracted they were a comfortable a d quiet plane that always had the softest landings of any aircraft. On one occasion year ago the pilot left the flight deck door open and passengers with aisle seats were heard saying “left a bit, right a bit” as the plane made its final approach over the runway threshold. Once landed the pilot turned in his seat to look back down the aisle and gave a wave and a thumbs up to the grinning passengers.
Amazing video as always! I love seeing new incidents that I haven’t heard of before. The crew were all over this, with 2 engines exploding on the same side! The damage pictures are shocking! Thank you for making and sharing this.
Great job by the flight crew. I do feel a little sorry for the maintenance crew due to the poor communication by the manufacturer for that procedure. I have found that is a common problem with most types of maintenance. My experience is that the designers/engineers have a repair/maintenance is not my problem or haven't thought about the technicians who will have to access the part/perform the procedure.
That is just a shockingly sloppy attitude for maintenance/repairs people to take. Jeez, you've got people's lives in your hands and you don't make the extra little steps to nail down safety?!! Don't get it. That's when you hear a knock on your office door and a big pilot barges in and just .SMOKES you!!!
In 2018 we flew in one from Maun to Joburg, and upon boarding the antique plane I thought that it looked old and worn. The fleet was slated to be replaced by Embraer planes.
believe me in South Africa many more incidents are happening but is kept under the rug due to all the corruption and fraud taking place since 1994 when ANC took over in South Africa, how many people in the world know that in 2023 close to 700 white farmers were murdered on their farms, its because the ANC comrades wont admit its happening,not to mention that in 2023 27000 people were murdered in South Africa, then they take Israel to court for so-called genocide,
To me this crew seems to be verry well trained and highly skilled. Not just following procedures but also act verry carefully and well considdered. Jet engines basicly are fairly simple in design, but the verry high RPM and temperatures make them susceptible for damage. Therefore verry precise maintenance instructions are required, making these type of engines rather expensive. Finaly, I'm amazed by all these people that are using MicroSoft Flight Sim to verry deeply ilustrate accicents and incidents. There is a lot of knowledge and research to make this kind of video's. Still all of them are far beter than the AirCrashIvestigation video's made in the past by Canedian television.
If the number 2 engine (left inboard) had been the engine that ejected shrapnel inboard toward the pressure hull, then the result could have been much worse.
Superb video - events very well related and technical details explained to perfection. I have just subscribed! When I used to fly a lot, for business, in Southern Africa, the Avro was my number 1 short to medium range airliner - roomy, quiet and comfortable.
Keep up the technical side, I spent many years working in an aircraft factory and these details are what we made our life over, and sadly, if we got them wrong someone could lose their life.
I always find it fascinating diving into the technical/mechanical side of these incidents. It can sometimes pass you by when you get to the aircraft and it is ready to go, just how much work has gone in to get it to that state. Just like with all parts of aviation it is constantly evolving and incidents like this only make things safer and highlight missing parts of the AMM!
The BAE 146 is such a nice looking aircraft they used to be really common on Australian domestic routes, there are still a few in use in Australia now. I've always thought that a 146 would make a very very cool private jet.
Since the shrapnel was strong enough to go through and damage engine 1 how in the world did it also not penetrate the cabin and injure passengers???? Jeez that seems like pure luck
If there's a discount of £300 then I dread to think how exspencive it is. You've gotta be RICH if you can afford luggage that's going to be dented n scratched to bits.
I met the PIC, SA pilots are highly skilled. I’m so sad that Link retired the 146 - she was a legendary machine - now they fly an almost all E-jet fleet.
Thanx so much for this clear and crisp and comprehensive presentation. Obviously the S.A. airliner maintenance is down the drain and that is really something to worry about. Aviation authorities should give a sincere warning on this.
I was on one of this company's flights. It was scary, when ramping up the turbines the plane shook so heavily that the luggage dropped from overhead. I seriously considered leaving the plane after the door closed... The turbine was definitely not balanced! First and last flight with them.
@@CuriousPilot90 once again, a great video - drama without being ridiculous Hollywood style ! clear narration with enough technical details for those of us know a little bit about aviation, but not overboard and had me on the edge of my seat. Wondering whether they would get down safely they sounded like a very calm professional and measured Crew. Cheers from New Zealand.🎉
ANA has cameras feeding a live stream of the exterior of the plane in flight to all of the passenger screens. You'd think pilots should have access to exterior videos of major components such as engines, flaps & rudder.
The 146 looks like it’s got a lot of redundancy with its four engines but pilots will tell you it’s grossly underpowered and only has generators on two of the four engines. For what it’s worth I think prudence should have dictated an immediate landing at the airforce base rather than proceeding to their destination.
I flew in a BAE 146 from Amsterdam to London City Airport in September 2015. Highlight of the flight was the perceived near Space Shuttle style descent into London City Airport, and the last minute beautifully choreographed fuselage rotation to touch down rear bogies first. The roll out was equally fascinating with the plane slowing quickly via a giant pair of clamshell tail air brakes and the usual ones on the to of the wings, plus robust braking systems in the wheels. I of course, thoroughly enjoyed the entire flight. 😊👍🏾
I had the privilege to fly with Airlink on these aircraft countless times. I always wondered how economical they were in terms of fuel consumption... Loved flying on them!!!
I still wonder why planes don't include any cameras to allow the flight crew to see the condition of the wings and tail. Certainly it's not something that would be needed often, but in situations like this it could give the flight crew absolutely crucial information. I can't think of a way to mount cameras that wouldn't increase drag, I admit, but given that you can get some very powerful cameras in very small packages, I can't imagine the increased drag from a handful of small camera housings would be anything more than a rounding error in the fuel consumption.
What simulator do you use to animate your videos? I remember when Flight Simulator 3 came out and it was released on like 25 3.4" floppy discs. I am 41 and I had my first PC when I was 4, so I got used to MS-DOS programs. It was groundbreaking when Windows 3.1 came out as it was an entirely new operating system and WAY more advanced than MS-DOS as you no longer had to use commands to get the PC to do what you wanted. You now had icons that you can click on and it launched programs without having to type out your commands. Then it was Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, Vista, and so on. I am no longer a computer expert, but as a kid I went to conventions and saw all the new releases. I remember the first time I saw Doom, and I was mesmerized. I begged my dad for it and he bought me a copy. I was HOOKED! I'm a car guy though...so Test Drive and Need For Speed was always my go-to.
Thank you, I try to stay away from the incidents that have been covered multiple times, giving my audience some ‘fresh’ incidents to see. That being said, if I can provide something different or a new angle then it is something I can look to do in the future!
Some planes do nowadays. I seem to remember that was a recommendation in the aftermath of the Kegworth air disaster way back in 1989 when a pilot accidentally shut down the good engine instead of the bad one.
Hello interesting is the fact, that also the mecanic of the forth turbinewheel has to changed . So they was lucky that this side is not also going bad while the flight
Isn't it a fundamentally faulty design since one engine failure should not cause another engines failure. Engine failures happen sometimes. The BAE needs a cowling rededign.
South Africa truly used to have some of the best pilots in the world, as can be seen in this incident. I used to feel really safe flying SAA, SA Airlink and SA Express. This is no longer the case
cANCer is a very big problem in this country. Too bad people are satisfied and complacent with the country's current state, hence the continuous loyal votes 😒.
“This is no longer the case“… Because?? They’ve experienced incident upon incident, crash after crash, massive loss of lives, since?? What?? Or do you know something about our pilots that we don’t… 🤔 Care to share the info??
Um south Africa airlines and.major carriers used to be of a different "cut and complexion" ex mil and never kafirs in their own words Its a horror of roaming bands of goblins now a total "nothing" country
The 146...BAE or Avro 146 was very much the final representation of a very English Lucas refrigerator. It had 4 leaf blowers for engines and AC and DC electrical systems and off the wall hydraulic systems that did not work nor communicate with each other. Sorry, after three years in one, I had to get that off my chest.
Congratulations to the pilotos. The maintenance workers that doesn't do a good job on fixings an airplane, should be held accountable for their bad job, they put many lifes on risk
Captain Clarence Oveur: Contact the Tower Roger and request clearance for takeoff. First Officer Roger Murdock: We have clearance Clarence Captain Clarence Oveur: Roger, Roger.
I hope you enjoyed the video. **Slight error at the start, this incident occurred on 8 November 2017 not 2019 as said.
Thank you @alphabravo2671 for pointing that out!
Where do u get this simulator?
and it turned into a British Airways 737 @ 12:44 oops
@@spinkid2000Not relevant, as the voice over was talking about other planes being ordered to hold off from landing.
The 737 was being one of those being delayed. Suggest you replay and take note.
@@basilpunton5702 You are correct. While I found it a bit confusing. You are definitely right.
I'm with you.I would have gone for the air force base.They weren't sure about the other two engines, they were taking a risk
The BAE 146 is one of the best planes I've ever flown on , excellent stability.
they were very successful with Crossair. Only accident there was pilot error.
Good maneuverability when landing in a thunderstorm. Denver.
There was another incident in Cape Town, South Africa where an engine fell off during takeoff that you might want to take a look at. The airline was the now defunct National Airline that the pilots landed safely.
Mentour Pilot made an excellent video of that incident.
*‘Nationwide’
Running older 737s. Flew them Joburg -> Livingstone in ~2012 on a 727… 😕
Airlink doesn't have safe records and is alarming noting that it is competitive to Flysafair
@@lesedihlabirwalekgoro1942 this is correct in recent years, Lesedi. I absolutely agree with you. Their cabins are filthy and there is a lot that needs attention. Personally, I will not fly with them. They used to be one of the best.
@@LindaDavies-r1kdunno which airlink you fly. They are brilliant. They are not part of SAA. You sure you not thinking of SAA
I flew the RJ85 at Airlink up to 2010 and then went to Central Africa to fly the BAe146 for another 7 years. Great airplanes. I heard about this incident but never knew the story behind the story. Thanks for an insightful video.
I trained at FAOR in 2012 / 2013 on Tower. The RJ85 just seemed to hang a bit on the upwind from 03L before that right turn out for the lowveld destinations - you really didn't want to push anything too close. Maybe another RJ85 or a JS41 but a 737 just seemed to munch the distance between.
@@rodcodesYes the RJ certainly was no speed demon with those thick Super Cub wings. Short field airplane, operated the RJ easily out of Anjouan in the Comoros, 1100m. runway with 70 pax.
@@anne-vn2gz That's certainly impressive for an aircraft that stubby and chubby, that's not a lot of runway - the JS41 needs more than that! I'll give it some respect back!
@@rodcodesThank you! Great aircraft, not many jets can join the localizer at 250kt, the BAe/RJ could thanx to the massive airbrake.
There's good reason the 146 became known as the Smiliner. Excellent job on the clear and concise explanation of the technical details.
I probably said this the first time I saw a video of yours and subscribed. You speak clearly and slowly and most importantly, you have no background music. I appreciated the tech talk w/r/t the causes and then how you followed up with the simplified terms for us non-airline engineers. I even sat through your luggage ad, as it's something that at the very least is an appropriate one for an aviation channel. I was however wondering how expensive it must be if the code is giving us $300 off our order. $2,000 and $1500 for the checked version and carry-on version. At least we in the US get free shipping.
Anyway, thank you for a very informative video on what certainly was a scary ride. Happy the crew did what they had to do and got everyone down without injury.
A very well done video. These folks won the lottery that day. Things could have been much worse.
When that rotor wheel came apart, it's just as likely that it could have thrown the shrapnel up and through the wing, or to the right, and through the fuselage. It could have done both, some through the wing, some through the fuselage.
Shrapnel through the fuselage would be devastating. Minimum, there would be an explosive decompression of the cabin. Being at 34,000 feet, the pressure differential is a worse case scenario. Add to that, it is highly likely that at least some of the shrapnel would strike one or more passengers, causing traumatic or fatal injuries. With any shrapnel penetrated the wing, the list of possible damages is sobering. Fuel leak, hydraulic leak/failure of hydraulic systems, severing of flight control cables, structural damage of the wing, etc.
Yeah, they dodged a bullet that day.
There was a flight like that as well in South Africa, where a propellor blade went into the fuselage.
@@SeanBZAalso air Alaska, prop just casually came off and sliced the underside of the fuselage, they landed safely
Yeah I immediately thought how lucky that it didn't hit the fuselage. I thought they would land at a closer option but it's nearly always the man in the driver's seat that knows best because he has the closest feel to things going on with the equipment.
Well driven, well held, kudos to the flight crew for a great job and to the cabin crew for calming the pax.
YES! tough trick to pull-off!!
South African pilots are brilliant! Thank you for this upload 🎈👋👋
But not the South African engineers..as evidenced in the video
@@kampemba This could have happened in any country….
Should be with 90% having been trained by the military. Standard joke of where do you find SA pilots in abundance, and the answer is flying Emirates and Quantas, along with BA.
@@kampemba SAA technical used to be a world leader, just unfortunately suffered the same fate as SAA and Denel did.
@@kampemba because since 1994 very few white people get employed,im surprised more things like is not happening
Great explanation and breakdown. That's the main reason I love your videos. Thank God the number two turbine wheel didn't explode in the other direction toward the fuselage. It would've been much worse.
The discussion of the nut coming undone reminded me that on a bicycle one of the pedals is always attached by a left-handed thread, the other one has a right hand thread. That way the thrust and rotation always tends to tighten it on rather than undo it, so even if it is not correctly torqued, it can't come undone. I would have expected the rotor on a jet engine bearing a considerable amount of thrust would be done with the same principle, but maybe there's a reason why not.
Exactly my thoughts on "handing" engines, BUT, unfortunately this could lead to several complications in: manufacture, maintenance, and spares holding.
hheheheehe so glad i am reading your comment, just in this week of 5 Feb to 11 Feb 24 I had the same problem on my bicycle until I put some lock tight on the thread. Every time I got back to my flat I had to tighten the left bolt, but my problem was the left bolt holding the pedal arm to the pedal shaft, not the pedal itself, but yes its a reason why one has a left and right-hand thread on the pedals itself, but yes also to your comment about why this did not happen to this on the plane,
I’m surprised they continued as the QRH says “Land As Soon As Possible”. That AFB was closest.
I found that strange also, I think due to the positive outcome and the thought process behind their decision, the action was not criticised by the investigators.
Not surprised, but astonishing that they didn't get on the ground ASAP.
A pilot is allowed to divert from the procedures if he thinks this is the more safer option.
Continue to a familiar airport (knowledge about he runway, navigaitional aids and surrounding terain might be a consideration). No inmidiate danger (e.g. no fire) might also be taken in account.
The 146 with two engines INOP still can be operated safelty. I don't see a problem.
@pascalcoole2725 Sorry, but the flight crew themselves expressed concern that given the lost 2 engines that they might also lose the other 2. They had no evidence that the other 2 engines also didnt suffer from the problem of the first 2 and to continue on after voicing that concern I believe was a significant and serious mistake. The fact that it didn't kill anybody doesn't make it any less serious or incorrect.
In an Emergency and after declaring a “Mayday”. Pilots can land at Any airfield. The QRH would have instructed the crew to Land at the Nearest Suitable Airport, after losing 2 Engines. This was a stupid and reckless decision by the Captain. This was a serious and dangerous situation that required a diversion to the nearest suitable airfield. The crew should have done so!
This was really good. I’m a pilot / mechanic. Great stuff !
Thanks Michael. 👍🏼
Love your videos! Graphics are becoming amazing!
Thank you, I've just made a few upgrades so it should look even better from now on!
One thing to note is that for this round trip the aircraft would have departed from OR Tambo with a full fuel load, as the airport at Harare is well known to have fuel supply issues, and thus all airlines that fly to it make alternate fuel arrangements, as otherwise they might not actually be able to fly out without buying jet fuel on the black market. Plus you have to pay landing fees in cash.
Interesting point, thank you for that. I have flown to places before where cash landing/parking fees are paid, although they vary each time. 🤔 😬
@@CuriousPilot90 Zimbabwe is kind of a special place, due to hyperinflation the Zimbabwe dollar is regarded as useless, and all transactions are now done in US dollars, or any other local currency other than the zimdollar. When you have a 100 trillion dollar note, 1 and 18 zeros after it, and it is worth more as scrap paper than as an actual currency note, you have a problem.
Clear and understandable explanation of the failure. Thank you.
While they were incredibly lucky the shrapnel from the engine did not hit them worse, the crew did a really good job staying calm and making as safe decisions as possible
Lucky the shrapnel from number 2 engine didn’t exit on the other side and penetrate the hull, potentially striking occupants and causing a depressurisation.
The BAE-146 family of airliners are the most absolute BAD ASS looking aircraft out there! I love them!
They're my favourite!
Agree, I’ve flown them a few times in short African runways, great stol capability..
Quite unique a passenger plane with the wings high up the fuselage more like military aircraft.
As a retired A&P the 146 had a lot to be desired for. The Lycoming 502 engines logged more hours in the engine shop than they on the wings
Totally, I've always thought a BAE-146 would make an awesome private jet.
Hi CP ..Love the way you drive into the techicals of how and why keep this up ... graphics looking awesome too . Enjoyed this immensely many thxs 👍
Great to hear, thank you :)
I would usually be lost if someone tried to explain a fourth turbine explosion to me. This video made it simple for me😁
@@CuriousPilot90 funny true story, the Aviation community. New Zealand is pretty small so I was going to Wellington our capital and sitting on the jump seat in a short haul domestic flight then carried out by Saab 340 B aircraft , we were asked to expedite ahead of a Bae146, unusually in air-traffic control situations, the crew from the 146 made a snide remark, and said, are you able to expedite when you are only powered by two windmills ? to which the captain on my flight, a very humorous guy with quick wit, Said , pretty sure we can. Are you able to keep up with only 4 hairdryers for power?! no further remark from the 146 pilots! (the 146 was a fairly light aircraft for a four turbofan power plant, each of which were, relatively speaking,quite small)
@@josh2961 yes at all, can be a bit complex in mysterious. Well explained by curious pilot. I’m quite lucky in that I have been involved in petrochemical and power generation industries with gas turbines that I’ve seen apart - and a mate or two who has explained stripped down aircraft gas turbine engines
@@malcolmwhite6588 Haha, a lot of people are describing the engines as 'leaf blowers' and 'hair dryers'. The side effect being known as a whisper jet because it was so quiet.
I managed to get a trip to New Zealand on an A400M (before I became a pilot). We were cleared to fly low around the coast of the south island. What a beautiful place!
The clarity of this video is beyond amazing! Coupled with your very clear and easy to understand narration is beyond any other out there!
This would have been disastrous if that disc had of blown out on the other side and penetrated the pressurized fuselage 😳
Thank you, that’s nice to hear.
That’s true, the best case scenario was that the shrapnel blown straight down, second best was through the other engine.
Have flown on 146s many times and once the flaps are retracted they were a comfortable a d quiet plane that always had the softest landings of any aircraft. On one occasion year ago the pilot left the flight deck door open and passengers with aisle seats were heard saying “left a bit, right a bit” as the plane made its final approach over the runway threshold. Once landed the pilot turned in his seat to look back down the aisle and gave a wave and a thumbs up to the grinning passengers.
I seem to remember one of their propellers falling off at Richards Bay. Luckily on the ground. Flown with them many times.
Propellers? On a jet
Your attention to detail and production quality is first class ...
Thank you ...
Amazing video as always! I love seeing new incidents that I haven’t heard of before. The crew were all over this, with 2 engines exploding on the same side! The damage pictures are shocking! Thank you for making and sharing this.
Thanks Josh.
My dad was the pilot he said that he had a jump scare when the master fire warning went off
No. It was my dad.
Play a trick on him....One day when he is a passenger in the car and about to fall asleep play a loud recording of that exact alarm! 😂
Great job by the flight crew. I do feel a little sorry for the maintenance crew due to the poor communication by the manufacturer for that procedure. I have found that is a common problem with most types of maintenance. My experience is that the designers/engineers have a repair/maintenance is not my problem or haven't thought about the technicians who will have to access the part/perform the procedure.
That is just a shockingly sloppy attitude for maintenance/repairs people to take. Jeez, you've got people's lives in your hands and you don't make the extra little steps to nail down safety?!! Don't get it.
That's when you hear a knock on your office door and a big pilot barges in and just .SMOKES you!!!
Good explanation, thank you for sharing
Absolutely LOVE the technical details! Thank you for sharing them!
Excellent rendition and instructional on cause of the accident.
Another great video! As always, your description of events is excellent- thanks! 😊
Always great to hear, thanks. 😁
This is my first video on your channel, and you understand physics. It's an instant sub from me.
@HJW3 - Thank you for the comment!
In 2018 we flew in one from Maun to Joburg, and upon boarding the antique plane I thought that it looked old and worn. The fleet was slated to be replaced by Embraer planes.
as far as i know all SA Airlink planes have been upgraded to Embraer, might be wrong,
I actually didn't know this happened, thanks.
believe me in South Africa many more incidents are happening but is kept under the rug due to all the corruption and fraud taking place since 1994 when ANC took over in South Africa, how many people in the world know that in 2023 close to 700 white farmers were murdered on their farms, its because the ANC comrades wont admit its happening,not to mention that in 2023 27000 people were murdered in South Africa, then they take Israel to court for so-called genocide,
Great video. Thank you for taking the time to make it.
Some of the pilot in command’s decisions may initially seem counter intuitive, however they were obviously wise. Lucky one! 👍👏👌
Excellent video with great graphics. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Well, it was a Bae 146 aircraft.
Bae stands for Bring Another Engine.
(The Lycoming was not a good engine.)
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the BAe 146-200 & 146-300 are some of the best regional aircraft . . . been flying the 146-300 in Scandinavia for years now . . .
To me this crew seems to be verry well trained and highly skilled.
Not just following procedures but also act verry carefully and well considdered.
Jet engines basicly are fairly simple in design, but the verry high RPM and temperatures make them susceptible for damage. Therefore verry precise maintenance instructions are required, making these type of engines rather expensive.
Finaly, I'm amazed by all these people that are using MicroSoft Flight Sim to verry deeply ilustrate accicents and incidents. There is a lot of knowledge and research to make this kind of video's.
Still all of them are far beter than the AirCrashIvestigation video's made in the past by Canedian television.
but i am wondering why since 1994 not more incident are not happening on any South African planes,
If the number 2 engine (left inboard) had been the engine that ejected shrapnel inboard toward the pressure hull, then the result could have been much worse.
Superb video - events very well related and technical details explained to perfection. I have just subscribed!
When I used to fly a lot, for business, in Southern Africa, the Avro was my number 1 short to medium range airliner - roomy, quiet and comfortable.
Keep up the technical side, I spent many years working in an aircraft factory and these details are what we made our life over, and sadly, if we got them wrong someone could lose their life.
I always find it fascinating diving into the technical/mechanical side of these incidents. It can sometimes pass you by when you get to the aircraft and it is ready to go, just how much work has gone in to get it to that state. Just like with all parts of aviation it is constantly evolving and incidents like this only make things safer and highlight missing parts of the AMM!
Interesting video as always , really enjoy your content 👍
Thanks 👍
good job they had four Engines snd not just two then!
"We've lost both engines..."
"It's ok, you have a couple of spares on the other wing..."
Good video with high quality commentary. Small error though, it all happened in 2017.
What a silly error on my part. Thank you for pointing that out.
Great video again, well done.Great tech info.
Another great video👍🏼 Thanks very much for it! Bo🇨🇭
Of the three jets I’ve flown, I’ve only ever been followed back to the bay by emergency vehicles on the 146.
That said, it’s still my favourite ish
The BAE 146 is such a nice looking aircraft they used to be really common on Australian domestic routes, there are still a few in use in Australia now. I've always thought that a 146 would make a very very cool private jet.
Since the shrapnel was strong enough to go through and damage engine 1 how in the world did it also not penetrate the cabin and injure passengers???? Jeez that seems like pure luck
I flew on the airlink embraer 190, good plane. Pity I never flew on the bae 146, they were retired from sa airlink's fleet I think.
If there's a discount of £300 then I dread to think how exspencive it is. You've gotta be RICH if you can afford luggage that's going to be dented n scratched to bits.
I met the PIC, SA pilots are highly skilled. I’m so sad that Link retired the 146 - she was a legendary machine - now they fly an almost all E-jet fleet.
Thanx so much for this clear and crisp and comprehensive presentation. Obviously the S.A. airliner maintenance is down the drain and that is really something to worry about. Aviation authorities should give a sincere warning on this.
I was on one of this company's flights.
It was scary, when ramping up the turbines the plane shook so heavily that the luggage dropped from overhead. I seriously considered leaving the plane after the door closed...
The turbine was definitely not balanced!
First and last flight with them.
Can you please make a video on the forgotten incident that happened on DALLO AIRWAYS flight 159 🙏
I'll add it to the list to take a look at :D
@@CuriousPilot90 once again, a great video - drama without being ridiculous Hollywood style ! clear narration with enough technical details for those of us know a little bit about aviation, but not overboard and had me on the edge of my seat. Wondering whether they would get down safely they sounded like a very calm professional and measured Crew. Cheers from New Zealand.🎉
Wow those Sterling Pacific cases are expensive! Lol
Btw thanks for the video
AMAZING ALL SURVIVED
ANA has cameras feeding a live stream of the exterior of the plane in flight to all of the passenger screens. You'd think pilots should have access to exterior videos of major components such as engines, flaps & rudder.
The 146 looks like it’s got a lot of redundancy with its four engines but pilots will tell you it’s grossly underpowered and only has generators on two of the four engines. For what it’s worth I think prudence should have dictated an immediate landing at the airforce base rather than proceeding to their destination.
@@BB-xx3dv not the pilots that I knew, they were very happy to see them replaced with Boeing and Airbus variants.
I enjoy flying on SA Airlink’s 146’s. They are comfortable little jets. Just rather slow.
I flew in a BAE 146 from Amsterdam to London City Airport in September 2015. Highlight of the flight was the perceived near Space Shuttle style descent into London City Airport, and the last minute beautifully choreographed fuselage rotation to touch down rear bogies first. The roll out was equally fascinating with the plane slowing quickly via a giant pair of clamshell tail air brakes and the usual ones on the to of the wings, plus robust braking systems in the wheels. I of course, thoroughly enjoyed the entire flight. 😊👍🏾
I had the privilege to fly with Airlink on these aircraft countless times. I always wondered how economical they were in terms of fuel consumption... Loved flying on them!!!
2000 kg per hour, ie. 500kg per engine is the figure we use as a benchmark,
Thanks great program
I still wonder why planes don't include any cameras to allow the flight crew to see the condition of the wings and tail. Certainly it's not something that would be needed often, but in situations like this it could give the flight crew absolutely crucial information.
I can't think of a way to mount cameras that wouldn't increase drag, I admit, but given that you can get some very powerful cameras in very small packages, I can't imagine the increased drag from a handful of small camera housings would be anything more than a rounding error in the fuel consumption.
I talked to a guy whose BAE146 lost all four engines. BAe 146/ Registration VH-JJP. 22/03/1992
What simulator do you use to animate your videos? I remember when Flight Simulator 3 came out and it was released on like 25 3.4" floppy discs. I am 41 and I had my first PC when I was 4, so I got used to MS-DOS programs. It was groundbreaking when Windows 3.1 came out as it was an entirely new operating system and WAY more advanced than MS-DOS as you no longer had to use commands to get the PC to do what you wanted. You now had icons that you can click on and it launched programs without having to type out your commands. Then it was Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, Vista, and so on. I am no longer a computer expert, but as a kid I went to conventions and saw all the new releases. I remember the first time I saw Doom, and I was mesmerized. I begged my dad for it and he bought me a copy. I was HOOKED! I'm a car guy though...so Test Drive and Need For Speed was always my go-to.
You've the best. Can you do Tenerife distaster video next?
Thank you, I try to stay away from the incidents that have been covered multiple times, giving my audience some ‘fresh’ incidents to see. That being said, if I can provide something different or a new angle then it is something I can look to do in the future!
Why don't they have cameras to monitor which engine is faulty and other parts of the plane also!?🤔
Some planes do nowadays. I seem to remember that was a recommendation in the aftermath of the Kegworth air disaster way back in 1989 when a pilot accidentally shut down the good engine instead of the bad one.
SAA pilots are some of the best in the world, but maintenance and management are horrible beyond belief.
There's a reason we used to say BAe stands for "bring another engine."
Great flying planes though.
Small error but... at the time the airline (now known as "Airlink") was named "South African Airlink", not "South Africa Airlink"
It's a bit strange that having dual engine shut down, pilots opted to continue to their destination, while a nearby airforce airfield was ailable.
Equipment likes to be torqued to correctly. Otherwise it can get bitter and twisted, then have a breakdown and go to pieces. Like people.
This is a credit to all involved.
Regards,
Geoff. Reeks
Hello interesting is the fact, that also the mecanic of the forth turbinewheel has to changed . So they was lucky that this side is not also going bad while the flight
PRIMA 👌. If only our railways, electricity generation, and government in general could be operated with like competence, we would be doing very well.
Nicely done, thank you.
Fantastic skill displayed by the crew.. Great visuals but bear in mind, to my knowledge this was a night flight..complicating matters.
I also think the “146” is a fantastic aircraft. I’ve ridden one more than once. That said, why does such a small plane need four engines?
Damn, I can tell that luggage expensive just by the discount amount 😂
Good thing the engine rotation was clockwise, or the passenger cabin would have caught that shrapnel.
How did you make your animations so realistic?
luckily, the shrapnel didn't fly into the cabin.
At 12:36: What happened to the other engines and the logo?
Should have taken the AFB. Was it Hoedspurit?
Very low noise. When first built it was the only aircraft tha did not have to worry about curfews at Sydney
Isn't it a fundamentally faulty design since one engine failure should not cause another engines failure. Engine failures happen sometimes. The BAE needs a cowling rededign.
South Africa truly used to have some of the best pilots in the world, as can be seen in this incident. I used to feel really safe flying SAA, SA Airlink and SA Express. This is no longer the case
cANCer is a very big problem in this country. Too bad people are satisfied and complacent with the country's current state, hence the continuous loyal votes 😒.
Strange? The captain in question still flies at Airlink?
“This is no longer the case“…
Because?? They’ve experienced incident upon incident, crash after crash, massive loss of lives, since??
What??
Or do you know something about our pilots that we don’t… 🤔
Care to share the info??
Um south Africa airlines and.major carriers used to be of a different "cut and complexion" ex mil and never kafirs in their own words
Its a horror of roaming bands of goblins now a total "nothing" country
Awww what happened? Pilots too black? 😂😂
Few few times to Zimbabwe on same flights great crew
Returning to give video a “like”. Done a good job keeping it interesting.
Always appreciated, thanks Mike.
Probably flew this aircraft Joburg -> Bulawayo or on the return leg in ~2014.
Beautiful city, Bulawayo. Very sleepy and spaciously laid-out by the original town planners. Never a traffic jam.
Me too
Was there for a wedding in Feb 2013
The 146...BAE or Avro 146 was very much the final representation of a very English Lucas refrigerator. It had 4 leaf blowers for engines and AC and DC electrical systems and off the wall hydraulic systems that did not work nor communicate with each other. Sorry, after three years in one, I had to get that off my chest.
😂 ‘Lucas refrigerator’, The advantage was that the leaf blowers were quiet 😁
Leaf blowers seem an over exaggeration of the engines capabilities… more like 4 hair dryers..
Lucas auto electrics, "Kings of Darkness".
Not a DC 10, not a 737 max, not a single casualty!
Congratulations to the pilotos. The maintenance workers that doesn't do a good job on fixings an airplane, should be held accountable for their bad job, they put many lifes on risk
Captain Clarence Oveur: Contact the Tower Roger and request clearance for takeoff.
First Officer Roger Murdock: We have clearance Clarence
Captain Clarence Oveur: Roger, Roger.
An interesting presentation. Good on facts but impersonal. Why weren't the names if the pilots given? Its always interesting to know these.
Pretty sure that part of the world is two hours AHEAD of UTC.
Another MIF--a Maintenance Induced Failure.
the 146. is known in the industry as being a bit of a Tardis for being so small on the outside snd so big on the inside.