I think people really miss the point that professional boxing is really an entertainment industry thing. And if it wasn't for gambling would boxing in the 1700s have actually existed?
very good point, but not just gambling but a confluence of new urban conditions. Such as newspapers (for widespread promotion) and a rising consumer class that had the money and leisure time to go watch and pay to see fights. We have heard of James Figg because he opened the first boxing 'amphitheater" (as the old medieval bear gardens were being closed down) that you had to pay to get into. This along with the rise of 'sports' and athletics in general and the creation of 'celebrity' (sports heros). If not for the patronage of the upper classes as well, boxing probably would have been legislated into oblivion (prize fighting was illegal at various times and places) and at least driven underground like other 'combat games' like Purring that are all but forgot and never rose beyond odd local pastimes.
@@simonlee498 You could say it..but it would not be true...lol. Boxing is one of the first "commercialized" sports. There are no baseball or basketball teams in 1719 when Figg's Amphitheater becomes popular.
O I agree with this assessment, because both of my grandfathers were wrestlers & even their children thought that it was a game or choreographed, so my uncles & dad got into Boxing, Taekwondo, Karate. It wasn't until my paternal grandmother died & my paternal grandfather father lived with my parents that I understood wrestling as a great sport & martial art, because he trained me & entered me into tournaments. Fortunately I was at a Kardojitsu dojo that had a dedicated Judo program from there I crossed trained at other dojo that offered Jiujitsu, shooto, vale tudo, nhb, naga, mma back in the late 1980s thru early 2000s when it was still illegal in most states. Though he lived only two more years afterwards I focused on Judo, Jiujitsu, nhb, mma, & joined the Wrestling team where I did American Folkstyle, Freestyle, Greco-Roman Wrestling, Sambo, Judo, Jiujitsu, & even show/exhibition wrestling. If you Wrestling for fun then by all means try all rule sets travel & experience the varieties of the sport, but if you want to compete at the national & international tournaments then specialize. The sports I did the best were Greco-Roman & NHB. Wrestling put me decades ahead of my peers in skill sets. When I became an adult I joined a professional Boxing gym & the difference between Boxing vs MMA is which organized crime organizations are financially backing it controlling the gambling & supplying the P.E.D. The problem with wrestling was the only routes to make money was to become a coach, a MMA professional, a professional wrestler, win the Olympics, or World Games. The average Wrestler Judoka, Samboist, Jiujiteiro weren't earning living wages & the tournaments weren't lucrative until about 2010.
@@EnglishMartialArts I agree with that sad assessment. It is a shame that this once great sport has deteriorated into a "freak" show on a par with professional wrestling.
We're entering a dark age, but the good thing about those is that they are always followed by another golden age. Hopefully it's not 1000 years from now though.
@@SweesweetCan I cannot help but agree with your fears about this beloved sport, but I do hope that this current "embarrasing era" will be followed by a noble ascension.
no ufc is better than it ever has been boxing is sort of more show than substance but mostly still high level fighting but its not like there beating each other with inflatable chairs and climbing ladders to get a belt
Mayweather used to fight in a totally different style - he was much more offense based, and much more active (as opposed to reactive). I suppose he looked at a LOT of other boxers at the end of their careers, saw how their health and lives had been ruined, and decided to go down a different path. It's like people who criticised Picasso for 'not being able to paint' - he could paint in a photo-realistic way when he was a child. But he went down a different path.
I think Chael Sonnen is correct when he says the whole point of contact martial arts/boxing/mma is 'I hit you and you don't hit me.' If you can do that, you're winning.
No he broke his hands multiple times including one time in the ring which he probably never wanted to happen again because fighting with one hand is a sure way to lose
@@nickbrooks3054I mean when your toughest opponents were 40 year old dudes like mosley and a midget whos like 5'2 like Manny and you're a huge a side and it's under boxing rules its just a joke 😂 that floyd dude is a joke
100% agree. Engineered quick wins in anything fosters mental disease and dilutes the art. What needs to happen is to pave the path with pain, struggle and disappointment. Then it becomes something. The amount of work you put in, determines the worth.
I hundred percent agree with you, the age of 20th-century boxing is dying and is being replaced by a striking WWE. It's what we get for creating social media. It may be saved, but boxing fans must do something about it. Who knows maybe Bare knuckle boxing will take its place, but this happens to every style of martial arts eventually. I mean boxing today replaced old boxing because it was more popular.
I think the fact the the biggest star in boxing is a RUclipsr, who’s only fought older, past their prime MMA fighters says everything we need to know about the current state of boxing. It’s why bare knuckle boxing is making a resurgence in popularity and you can view what’s called the Rough ‘n Rowdy which is a tough man style competition that takes place a few states over from where I live in Kentucky United States. I think you’re pretty on point with your analysis. FIGHT TEAM!
Teaching martial arts for self defense purpose is my main thing, so I've been researching old English (bare knuckle) boxing in recent years. Not really sure but I think that was the reason I subscribed your channel too. And I love boxing in general. It's something I practice and teach on a daily basis. So when I found out Jake Paul "beat" Anderson Silva couple days ago, I was shocked. How the hell did it happen? Clearly something fishy occur, but even that's not my point. I didn't know these Paul Brothers until they started to put the boxing shows on (I refuse to call them "fights"). And when I did, they kinda made me sick. Kids these days are obsessed with the "life hacks" nonsense, with no boundary, no moral code, no respect, no appreciation of anyone or anything (they don't even love what they do). And these are the "role models" they got now? Call me an old fart but it seems totally unhealthy to me. Anyway I agreed wholeheartedly with your point here, and appreciate someone say that out loud, without unnecessary trolling. Bashing something negative, with the right mindset and attitude, is a positive thing. Thank you!
You're no old fart, just someone who knows what boxing is meant to be. I'm young and not even a combat sports fan nor do I practice it (I'm subscribed for the history) but I can tell that the sport has been 'devolving' in a sense.
It kills me that some amazing MMA fighters are falling into this money trap. Anderson Silva is an undeniable GOAT. I’m glad these guys are being paid to fight a clown, but hate that they’re going out like that. How much responsibility falls on the athletic commissions sanctioning these fights? Another excellent video. Fight Team!
I feel sadder that Anderson Silva, one of the greatest fighters of all time, made more money from his one fight with a RUclipsr than he made on all his UFC fights combined. And the one means for UFC fighters to actually make money, endorsements, has been stripped away by Dana (Scrooge) White. The real enemy here are not guys like Paul, it's guys like Dana White. If he paid his fighters what they're worth, they wouldn't need to participate in these clown shows.
Thank you for mentioning, even just for just a second, the tendency for combat sports fans and players to look the other way when it comes to domestic abuse and sexual violence. Boxing has its fair share of violence outside the ring, but it seems that BJJ wants the crown when it comes to sexual violence. And very few people dare to speak, about it
@@antiantifa886 And his not the only one. Recently I saw boxing fans calling the women Tyson assaulted "wh*res". This says a lot about how the view the situation. And yes the BJJ industry which proud itself as a great way to protect women from rape, has the bad tendency to let predators teach or compete, downplay sexual assaults allégations or to see rape jokes as something ok.
Ooof, much as I like professional wrestling, it is sad what it did to the sport. Boxing and MMA would be sad to see it go that way especially if they're not pulling punches/kicks so as not to hurt their opponent. If they are, then at least I have the consolation the fighters are injured too badly/permanently. Oooo, there's a story about a promoter trying to get a Leon Spinks comeback started some years ago and he was set to fight some nobody and lost by KO. That'd be a fun story to review for the channel. Thank you for your videos.
You're so right about how boxing will go the same way as wrestling. The problem is that money is concentrated at the top. Do I believe hand on heart that the best in the world is what we have now? No, sadly, athletes vote with their feet and either do another sport or get a regular job. I was discussing this with my catch instructor a few weeks ago. I was no doubt boring him with some anecdote about the Great Gama but I did say that perhaps the only way forwards was backwards with talented fighters getting patrons so that they could train full-time.
The problem is the fighters legit suck! Boxing is the one sport where the skill level actually devolves instead of evolves. I watch boxing all the time and my family actually laugh at some of the recent fights they have seen
You could argue that as soon as Tommy Fury , a real boxer, flattens him in their upcoming fight that this clown show will come to an end. But it's often remembered that many old boxers like Chuck Wepner, the inspiration for Rocky Balboa, fought a bear for entertainment, George Foreman did a Foreman vs Five Men , a few rounds each with journeyman boxers, Ali famously fought an exhibition with a wrestler. I agree that Jake Paul is making more money than plenty of real professionals by fighting retired athletes from other sports, but it sums up entertainment. As Lisa Simpson once remarked about her brother Bart, "he'll never go broke, appealing to the lowest common denominator ".
Boxing will survive this little side trip as well as it has all of it's other challenges for the last 2 or 300 years. Fads are like kidney stones, this too shall pass. Might hurt a little.
I've been looking boxing going down from the time I practiced it (which, to be honest, was a long time ago. As in 30 years). It saddens me because boxing was my first martial art and I loved working with my hands; when grabbling, I like takedowns and throws, but as a short guy (160 cm), I've always relied more on my boxing and hands than anything else. With the decline of respect for boxing as a combat sport, it saddens me.
I’m 55 I grew boxing and watching boxing It’s di old there are way less “ Big fights “ and way less real champions that we both want to watch and most important are ready to fight the best . This is what is killing boxing 🥊 Think about this , What fight are you truly excited to see ? There’s the problem
I think what you talk about here is vitally important to pretty much anything that is part of or IS its own folk culture that becomes marketable, wherein the art/ science/ tradition itself becomes less important to the industry - and anyone who sees it from the outside - than the ability to make money at it. What will keep boxing or any other such thing alive, even if quietly on the fringes of the industry, is integrity: doing the right thing, the right way, for the right reasons. That said, FIGHT TEAM 👊🥋⚔📕
@@EnglishMartialArts Agreed. That's why integrity is up to individuals. The big organizations need money, and if they succeed they WANT money, and that becomes the driving force and shapes the course of the "pro" environment. It's a real concern, to be sure, but I think that those who seek the real stuff will find it. But then, I am an optimist.
It doesn’t really bother me that neither of them are “real fighters” watching two people who are close in skill level or athleticism go at it is really fun, two relatively unskilled yet highly determined individuals can still have a great fight
Boxing laid the groundwork for this themselves. Jake Paul merely took advantage of it. For decades now the resumes of most of the biggest names in boxing have been filled of more tomato cans than your local ASDA. Boxers build up a big list of wins by only taking fights they know they can win and then use the undefeated streak to sell the big fights. The only real difference is Jake Paul's cans were big names in other sports they had retired from.
The drama, The Politics, The Rubbish talking, The clout Chasing, The best fighting tomato can and sometimes can take years to negotiate or not at all, padded Record, 2 undisputed champion on the same weight class, Racism, yeah It sucks.
In the late 1800s, Pugilism enthusiast and historian Henry Downes Miles wrote his severely underrated history of boxing in England: "Pugilistica". When he wrote the book, it seemed very much so that between negative public perception, legal crackdowns and scandals rocking the ailing sport that Pugilism/Bareknuckle Boxing was in it's death throes. Bemoaning the embellishments in Pierce Egans far more popular (if more inaccurate) "Boxiana", Miles wrote Pugilistica as a cipher, a true historiographical achievement to preserve the memory of the sport he loved so much for future generations. What I'm saying is: this too shall pass. There was much doomsaying around combat sports in the 90s and we remain. And despite gripes with modern day promotion, MMA is still (with notable exceptions) largely a meritocracy. Boxing can achieve similar levels of integrity. Remember that the most passionate and well-read man on Pugilism in the Victorian period, predicted it's oncoming demise almost a century and half ago and he was wrong. Peaks and valleys, this is the way of all practices. Sumo fans thought the sport was in its death throes in the mid 2000s before the most dominant Yokozuna in history emerged. We should have patience and faith in the eternal ethic of the martial spirit. Jake's little sideshow is simply a blip, a series of self-aggrandizing stunts that we will look back on as an embarrassing bit of carnival showmanship.
Jake Paul isn't the worst thing - he's just the inevitable result of the trajectory where boxing is going. Might as well turn it into pro wrestling with strikes. Then we would see "shoots" from boxers not willing to play along the script and it becomes interesting in a different way.
I do love the discussions your bringing up with your content. Do we consider the pros with a 3-0 record fighting someone with a 1-5 record a boxer? I consider them boxers. Jake trains the sport, he competes in the sport. I think he's a boxer. I would also argue that for however timid, slow, and well past his prime Woodley is he is a significantly harder challenge than if Jake fought your average run of the mill pro with
To be fair the only times Paul has been matched with actual boxers they have pulled out or broken the contract. The fear of having a loss on your record is what's ruining boxing.
I'd like to see what they are signing up to before judging. If they worry they're going to lose against a tuber then they're probably in the wrong game.
@@EnglishMartialArts I think there is a genuine fear of losing to Paul. Losses seem to hold too much weight in Boxing. (I confess I am an older mainly mma fan and we don't generally care about a loss as much as the response to it and this does bias me)
@@EnglishMartialArtsthere was never a threat of anybody to lose to Paul 😂 im more of a mma fan to but for fvcks sake practice boxing with a legit trainer to see the difference between a real boxer and jake paul 😂 once you start trying to learn you'll realize how low level jack paul is! Now are tommy fury the best pro? No but you can watch him box and see he's got actual boxing ability lol omg I swear jake paul had you people blinded
@@SRTC1perceptionsno lol Paul was never going to beat nobody in boxing, he's white and from america for fvkcs sake 😂 kidding partially but in all seriousness Rahman was taken out of the fight because the weight cut was unsafe, tommy fury got legit injured in Sugar Hills camp! Sugar hill actually has a very tough camp by boxing standards. Stop letting social media rot your mind and do your homework and also use your brain! You could watch film of rahman jr, Tommy fury, and paul and flat out see paul can not hang beat them! Now with 30 pound weight cuts and a rehydration clause anything is possible nowadays though 😅
I've always liked your stuff and I think.what uou put out there is great and I think you're spot on about Jake Paul and how it's going to ruin the boxing industry
Hey, have you thought of teaching MMA? You do catch wrestling and pugulism, both would be perfect for fighting with smaller gloves. You could make quite a bit of money bringing the historical to the modern.
At first, I was thinking that you and other people were just trippin about stuff. But when I watch your videos, I totally be agreeing with what you're saying. You be speaking facts, man. I have respect for ya.
I get what your saying but the cream rises to the top in sport the majority of modern boxers aren't willing to take the risk when they can get an easy life from boxing, but the fact canelo is the best paid boxer and also the man with the best resume of a fighter in this era in his prime gives hope that it's still a purists sport
The examples you bring up remind me of Pride FC's "freakshow" matchups. Where fights like Bob Saap, or Hong Man Choi would be brought out to compete against former sumo wrestlers, or people who were significantly smaller (for a david v. goliath match up). I think that these sorts of fights have always been there, and satisfy a certain part of the audience. But just like how a portion of the mma audience dislikes watching Demetrius Johnson for being slow and lacking that KO factor you see with lumbering heavyweights, I think there's also a portion of the audience who truly appreciates the artistry that he uses. So as long as people truly recognize the beauty that comes from the artistry of boxing, I think we will be alright. Though I definitely see how MMA and the UFC have definitely focused on the entertainment aspect. It's almost like WWE over there.
Japan never drew as firm a boundary between shoot and work as in the US, so it's not uncommon to see a mix of both "serious sport" and "bullshit" on their events. I do still miss the spectacle PRIDE and other Japanese promotions brought to the table, though. They knew how to make MMA fighters look like gods.
The spectacle has always attracted the casuals and the crowds. Primo Carnera was a spectacle, to some extant. When Max Baer beat him, he had his own shtick. Then, along came the Cinderella Man... There have been long counts, bitten ears, loaded gloves, fan man, etc. Boxing is individual and therefore personality driven, and for probably that same reason, it attracts a lot of strong personalities, whether they can actually box or not. Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, and Tyson Fury all veer strongly in the direction of entertainment for entertainment's sake. Of course, they can all actually fight. I'd say that what Jake Paul's doing isn't much different from what Floyd Mayweather, or Ric Flair, or even Butterbean did. And it's true, he's not fighting any great boxers, but he's still a novice, and the level of competition that he's faced has been at least as good as most beginners. Tommy Fury, in his sixth fight, fought a guy who was 0 and 9. Floyd in his ninth fight fought a guy who was 1 and 13. What Jake Paul has done is to take this novice part of his career and turn it to profit. And while Tyron Woodley isn't a boxer, he was always a dangerous, heavy handed striker. Ask Wonderboy. Also, Anderson Silva outpointed Julio Cesar Chavez, albeit a checked-out, post-prime Chavez. Still, a former champ, with a great pedigree. Also, a guy like Kazuhiro Sakuraba, made his inroads in the spectacle of pro wrestling, but was able to keep his roots, eventually merging the two experiences into one of the great early mma fighters.
My sister and me saw a floyd "fight" on a tv screen at a restaurant when we were kids at the opponent was like an old man in the first round he literally only landed one shot on floyd and it almost entirely knocked floud out lol he held the rest of the round and all floyd did was run away after that scare! for one, what a glass jaw right? For two whats the entertainment value in that? 😂😂😂 and jake paul? Jake paul NEVER had a boxing career for fvcks sake did you read the age of his opponents? 😂
I honestly think this trend of yt boxers will die out naturally,leaving no particular impact on the sport itself whatsoever. The fans that are drawn to the personas more so than the actual fights will get bored and move on. The thing is people often say that you've got to know sth about grappling and groundfighting to enjoy watching it,'cause otherwise it's pretty boring. I'd say very often the same applies to boxing,despite it seemingly having more entertainment value in the art itself. But if you don't know what to look for and what the boxers are trying to achieve with certain actions,the experience can be very similar to watching groundfighting,without any knowledge on it. Not to mention that most knockouts will seem to be pretty messy and come out of nowhere. And I know that,'cause before I started training boxing,that'd generally be my experience watching it. And I think in the long run the fighters that draw the actual audience and make them stay are the ones that are entertaining to watch in the actual ring due to their style,skill or maybe 'cause they have huge knockout power (not the factor that gives the fights entertainment value for me,but for many people it does,that's why heavyweight is so popular). I for example just love to watch Lomachenko due to the sheer way he moves in the ring and creates angles and I think that distinct fighters like him actually have the potential of bringing new audience that will stay invested to the sport. He's just super entertaining to watch inside the ring and that's all that matters in the end
K.S.I fought a pro boxer mate from Mexico, who did the amateurs, white collar route. And KSI destroyed him. 7 knockdowns or something. My point being, when does a boxer become a "boxer"? Both Jake and KSI have trained in boxing for years now. If you train in a sport for a long period can you adopt that title? I'm not particularly interested in youtube or celebrity boxing, I much prefer bare knuckle anyway. Just a question I'm pondering. What is the criteria needed to call oneself a practioner of their chosen sport.
As an artist, I'd be more than happy to consider a mock up of some #FightTeam t-shirt design, but I'll need more details in what kind you have in mind before we start talking shop. That can be discussed later, though, so lets get to the freakshow at hand: In terms of Jake Paul and the industry at large, one can argue that celebrity sports in general tend to bring a good deal of publicity to the sport, but contrary to popular belief, I tend to believe that there IS such thing as bad publicity. In many ways, what's happening now to Boxing is quite akin to your fellow RUclipsr MrBeast's "I Spent 50 Hours In Solitary Confinement" video. In other words, while the vent in question has many elements of the genuine article (in this case, Boxing), its in many ways NOT the same thing. While the people have some "talent", the followers care more about their favorite celebrities rather than the athletes with actual skill.
I remember Ali and Foreman, advocating decades ago, stay in school get an education, if you have an alternative to fighting for a living do so. Many talented athletic men and women have done so or pursued sports that don't involve deliberate head trauma as a daily activity. But there will always be an audience for those who do pursue it. Several commentators have said the decline in America in boxing has been in part due to this and the rise in former communist and dictatorial countries, has generated many boxers as they seek a better life out of poverty. These same commentators have also said that eastern European culture isn't one of being loud self publicists. The Klitschko's and Povetkin, Maskaev etc never really managed to sell themselves to a broad audience, like a less skillful Wilder has for example. So seeing Paul exploit a time where there is a bit of a vacuum stateside, is no more surprising than when Hulk Hogan did the same in the early eighties. Some people just want to be entertained, regardless of the quality or validity of the fight. I think there will always be a place for all these things, it just sometimes takes time for the dust of one generation to settle enough, for the next to be appreciated. Money has always corrupted the sports of the world, from fighters being leaned on to through fights, by criminals and sponsors. Hell Marciano never managed to shake off the accusations of Mob fixes. So whose to say his time was legitimate or, the billion belts era we have now is legit, or Braddock not fighting for 364 days to hold onto his belt made the sport legit. I imagine the days of gladiators where just as rife with gambling and corruption and promotion over substance and skill. Such are the schemes of humans and greed. I shall stop ranting now :)
I genuinely feel there's a line between trying to exploit the system for extra gain, and basically not caring if you destroy the system. And Paul is on the wrong side of that line.
@@EnglishMartialArts Agreed. Perhaps he's been too influenced by the likes of Don King, and many others like him where only the money matters, and there's no true love for the art or the sport.
Keep in mind that in other cultures (Thailand specifically comes to mind but there are several others), boxing is not the influencer hype show that it has become for Western viewers. Also, I find that many of the more enjoyable boxing fights can be on the undercard where you can see different skill level matchups come to light. Finally, join your local boxing gym and spar with the crew... The skill and art is still very real.
Boxing [as entertainment] can suck for various reasons. . But I think that the obvious issue is when certain fights don´t happen [for years] and a whole division gets held up for that time. In boxing you sometimes have the no.1 and no. 2 fighters choosing no. 5 or no. 6 as there opponents rather than no. 3 and 4 or each other. And that is something that I don´t really think happens in any other sport. . You do sometimes have "elimination round" style tournaments organized - and they usually are great. . I don´t see what Jake Paul does as damaging the sport - and at the end of the day, he does have several professional fighters on each undercard for his fights and he usually pays them pretty well. . cheers JB
You brought up a good point. Jake is fighting older boxers. How many times has he fought someone around his age? Someone who is a fighter that is his age too, and not just some RUclipsr.
I lament the lack of skill, humility, and dedication to training and mastery of the science of boxing. Nor the basic understanding of the art. It has become a glorified circus . The only missing individuals are the freaks. The clowns are masquerading as boxers. I humbly apologize for my rant. God bless you and family.
In fairness to your complaints about personality overwhelming the sport, Ali wasn't exactly Joe Louis when it came to being a humble craftsman;). His skills meant he could put his money where his mouth was, but he understood how to self-promote. But, yeah, when I see an undefeated record in boxing that says a good manager not a good fighter.
If an elderly gentleman, who enjoys the art of pugilism, may be permitted to voice an honest opinion. What this individual has done is degrade that sweet science of manly combat sports. Yet dare say I there is hope as long as men, such as you Sir, continue to bring this absurdity too light. The young men will soon learn the value of the art. Once again thank you for bringing joy to an elderly gentleman. I am slowly recovering from problems of the heart but your engaging lectures are always welcome.
@@EnglishMartialArts agreed on both counts. But at least Tommy is in his prime, has only ever been a boxer, and has a comparable number of fights, so the experience level is even.
I believe a few people have mentioned already, but saying Jack Paul is the worst thing to happen to boxing is a bit like putting the cart before the horse to me. Why has Jake Paul been able to muscle into the sport of boxing like this? Who left the gates open for people to think this is what boxing is all about? Short answer: I think boxing promoters did it to themselves. They set up the freakshow fights, and the 100-0 records against jobbers and cans, and kept the bubbling-under fighters out of sight and out of mind, and likely got more than a few kickbacks from the organized crime rings who love putting big money on sure-things (if I'm peddling conspiracy theories at my leisure, please excuse the indiscretion 🤐) Jake Paul is just reviving the Celebrity Boxing craze of yesteryears. And he's not the only one--people are praising Creator Clash from a little while ago, eager to see the new one, uninterested in the skill and talent necessary to be a great fighter, just interested in seeing two people they've heard about try and hurt each other for a bit, maybe hug it out in the end. Why are they not doing this as MMA, Wrestling, Submission Grappling, or even Kickboxing events, if everyone is gonna whine and moan about how much they hate the hugging? Even though we all know that hugging is a huge part of less-than-amateur boxing events. Frankly, while a big part of it is likely the on-the-surface simplicity of "you just hit each other with the front part of the fist until someone loses", and the media presence boxing has enjoyed for decades, I honestly think most of it comes down to boxing organizations failing to promote themselves accurately to the general audience. The UFC may not have the kind of payouts for its fighters as the best boxing organizations, but if I were to rattle off some active bigger-name boxers to a random walker by on the street, they'd probably look at me like I'm just describing the cast of a sitcom. I start talking about top 15s in the UFC, I'll get at least a handful of lightbulbs. Granted, that's almost exclusively UFC--Bellator, One, PFL and others *wish* they had that much mental real estate--but I don't think it's something to shrug off. How many names can I list from the largest boxing organization and get a similar response?
To be fair Anderson Silva had several professional boxing matches. And to be fair to Paul, he did bring awareness to how much Dana White is ripping off fighters and shitting on them. Until Jake Paul started to make some noise about that, I had no idea how little UFC fighters get paid, that they have to pay for their hotel rooms/ flights/ and cornermen, that they have to pay their own doctor bills, and that Dan took away their only real outlet for making money which was endorsements. I'm not a fan of how the Paul brothers fight, but you got to give it to them for showing that there is a way to sidestep the Don Kings and Bob Arums of the world and the more importantly, Dana White who is a billionaire but won't give his fighter health insurance! And one more point, Jake Paul did just fight a real boxer. He lost, but he didn't embarrass himself that fight.
Nah, boxing's been putting on freakshows since before wrestling was scripted. The ancients ran a pretty pure sport but from Figg onward boxing's been a mix of BS entertainment fights and legitimately skilled sport.
People have lamented the death of boxing for decades. AJ Liebling in his book the Sweet Science, published in the 1950s lamented how television was going to turn boxing into a show and kill the sport. I’ll always bet on boxing surviving.
I actually agree. But this is the case for professional boxing, rather than boxing as a whole.. What I mean by that - I personally watch more Olympic-style boxing("Amateur boxing") rather than proffi, because there it is not about doing a show, but in fact proving who the best of the best is! All international competitions are in knokcout format so in the end the best fight the best most of the times and yes there is corruption in the IBA(formaly known as AIBA), but if you beat your opponent convincingly on points or with a knockout you will earn your progression in the tournament. There are no crazy walkouts,big pressekonferanses, or crazy hype to the point of personality cult.Also they weight you in the day of the fight so there are less crazy cuts.Just 3x3 boxing and defending your nations honour and your skill as an athlete!
Boxing is a very very good skill to have you can tell that most mma fighters can't really box against a boxer basically the striking of most mma guys sucks And yes boxing politics suck.
The boxing of MMA guys suck, but that's because they aren't boxers. They are competing in MMA. Mighty mouse fought Rodtang in Thai boxing in round 1 and 3, with rounds 2 and 4 being MMA. Mighty mouse got dominated in round 1, he looked like he didn't belong in there. He dominated in the stand-up in round 2. MMA striking is not thai boxing, or kick boxing, or boxing. Add in the risk of a takedown or clinchwork and it's a different beast altogether.
I've recently stopped being a fan of Jake Paul because I honestly think that the Anderson Silva fight ended in a dive. However these arguments are really bad on paper. You don't need to defend the sanctity of a Bloodsport where violence is entertainment ,brain damage ,failed careers are the norm. It ALWAYS HAS BEEN a circus and Jake Paul fits right in anybody who follows this knew he'd do well after he was trained by Shane Mosley.
I think there's a give line between exploiting the system to your own gain, and breaking the system. To me he's killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
This is an old situation which has some connection to the socioeconomic state of the world. I believe that Ole Cusmano said{paraphrased} that poor people make the best boxers because they must win to improve their lives and that they grew up suffering and are naturally tougher. The existence of bloodsport entertainment has always wavered between actual demonstration of real skills versus the marketable spectacle since the days of Roman gladiators. Hence many martial arts lines in Asia considered sponsored public fighting as thuggery. Everywhere in cultures around the world and through time has had a tradition of public bouts of some kind and the current state of affairs in these sports always reflects the current zeitgeist. Thanks!
Got no real problem with RUclips boxing imo it’s not really social media boxers fault. It’s Boxing’s fault for not giving us the fights we want to see so as goofy as it is for me it’s pretty entertaining to see. Hopefully boxing gets its act together and the best fight the best like UFC fighters do
I'm not sure the best MMA fighters are fighting each other. Like boxing there are numerous promotions with their own rankings. Who is the heavyweight mma champion currently? And is that UFC? BELLATOR? ONE? UAE WARRIORS?
@@EnglishMartialArts I mean UFC alone the belt holders fight the best in the top 5 regularly. Had Islam v Oliviera. Adesanya v Alex. Islam v Volkanivski already signed after a week negotiations for UFC 284. 2 champions 145lb champ Volk v Islam for double champ status at 155lbs. In boxing that would take a year. Look who Fury is fighting Chisora a guy who has lost all his fights and fury beat twice already. Spence v Crawford. AJ v wilder. Etc these fights don’t get made if this was UFC Dana would’ve made these fights years ago. AJ v Fury has been brewing for over 10 years. That’s Boxing for you
There’s a comparison to be made between boxing and fencing. There’s Olympic fencing and then there’s stage fencing. Olympic fencing is extremely limited by rules and extremely fast. It’s hard to tell who is better without prior education. Stage fencing isn’t really fencing, but it is flashy, loose, and entertaining. People enjoy watching it on stage and in movies. Many more people watch stage fencing than Olympic style, so that’s where the money is. The impetus in any sport is going to be towards flashiness. There have been deliberate rule changes in American football and baseball to liven up the proceedings, and to fit them better into the schedule of commercial television. Broadcasting, both conventional and online, ups the ante. Ad revenue is hungry for spectacle and rewards those who can produce hype and drama. I guess I’m just saying that none of this should be a surprise.
What is your lighting set up? It looks very nice. I was clickbaited but I generally agree with your feelings. As a boxing purist and someone who struggled to break in to the pro boxing scene myself, it kills me to see a guy get his chance from being a stupid RUclipsr. I’ll nitpick one point, Anderson Silva beat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr who was in the shadow of his father his whole career, but…. He was at the very least a legitimate boxer and world champion. That being said, I’ve also wondered if boxing is going down the path of pro wrestling. One of the things that led me to this channel was hearing about catch and the early days when wrestling competition was real. All the pieces are in place for this to happen in the same way to boxing. I ultimately think its too big of a shift to happen completely. However there is definitely a market for farcical fights and that makes me sad bc I and my peers were real fighters struggling to make a buck. PS have you read Champion of the World by Chad Dundas? It’s a fictional book about an old carnival catch wrestler training a fallen world champion to regain his title in wrestling… great read and aligns with your interests.
I haven't read that, I'll check it out, sounds like my my kinda thing! I have a pair of big softboxes as key and fill, with a small led panel on top as a "hair light" I play with the brightness and camera settings from time to time in order to brighten or darken the background. The real fun comes in the colour correction in post!
David Beckham in football⚽️ is also overrated & is paid more not because he’s the best at the sport. He’s just happened to be a blond English, handsome & married to one of the spice girls.
Interestingly, as regards to the money issue, Jake Paul has been one of the very few people to rightly take the UFC to task over the issue of fighter pay. So, though I see your point about him being detrimental to the sport of boxing in that they might devolve into reality show matches, he's simultaneously used his voice to amplify the pay concerns. In the UFC, the pay structures are shockingly bad, considering people are risking their long term health, nay, their lives in competition. A 12K show, 12K win package is appealing, yet for many fighters that's regarded as some sort of ticket to the big leagues. Dana White despises Paul, yet on this issue, Paul is right.
Yes, but he's not the first to try to bring it to light, but White has no control over him so he's the first to have some little success. Call me a cynic but I do wonder if he's doing it to help him line up more old MMA fighters to beat.
@@EnglishMartialArts Oh, I'm pretty sure there is a cynical motivation for it! But at least he's causing a little bit of convo about it, regardless of motivation! Really enjoy your vids, by the way -- I forgot to mention that before! As an aside, I'd love to train in some pugilistically based HEMA, but all the branches of HEMA in Glasgow (where I am) do sword stuff. You wouldn't happen to know of any offering fistuffed-versions up here, would you, Ox? Thanks for the channel regardless!
God points - this seems more like public duelling - boxing 🥊 seems to be the middle ground that this can reasonably occur in todays society - it’s also the combat art that can arguably be learned faster ? Add profit, prestige and money and there you are - lastly there is a primal side to fighting - it’s not the same as winning at chess or a race ..
Yes it going the way you say and it’s all Canelo fault by so called being the face of boxing and not challenging himself by fighting the best also he resorts to steroids without punishment so people are not getting the fights they want and deserve and him not being reprimanded for steroids people have lost respect for rules and culture of boxing
Boxing for a very long time has ultimately become a show like the WWE, pure entertainment and I prefer the old school Boxing long before the entertainment. aspect invaded into the sweet science. I wouldn't have a problem if Jake Paul entered into the amateur ranks, but he felt by defeating guys that aren't boxers like beating MMA vets makes him the boxer which is far from being the truth.
Agreed, but I think Jake Paul is kind of the boxer that modern boxing deserves. The sport was always a bit fishy at times but now I'm waiting for a Paul brother dressed as the Undertaker taking a paid fall to a girl or a trans to make a big ppv sale.
I don't really watch Boxing on a regular basis, but as a martial art and a discipline I highly respect it. Jake Paul isn't a Boxer if he isn't going to fight another Boxer. I agree that his matches are basically what you could call a circus fight. The last thing anyone needs in any professional competitive martial art is another Jake Paul. I think that this kind of thing should be not only discouraged but banned. If you don't have an amateur record, then you have no business turning pro. I'm going to take a broad leap and assume that's how it used to be done and that Boxing used to require you to have a license to do it. If that's so, then that's how it needs to go back to being. I know that's basically gatekeeping, but for the sanctity of the discipline, combat sport, or whichever term you wish to use, then a gate should be kept. Moreover, Jake seems very tied up in his own ego. I bring this up because another reason he and others like him who pull off these non-matches begin to think they can hang with the real pros and end up severely hurt or worse. For the sake of not only the discipline, but also for the lives of those who aren't prepared to handle a real competitor, please keep them out of the ring with anyone, circus fight or not.
Jake's brother Logan has been main eventing in the WWE, which is directly comparable with Jake doing exhibition fights. Like Logan's wrestling career I suspect most of Jake's fights have been worked shoots, with his ex MMA opponents paid handsomely to take a dive, probably for more than what they got paid to fight in the UFC. So yep, it's shit.
Even if it is a freak show, they are still boxing and not acting. Therefore, I still have hope that maybe some people end up interesting in actual boxing after watching these questionable spectacles.
I think it doesn't matter, boxing will never be mainstream and Paul isn't taking views from real boxing, boxing has its fans, and celebrity/youtuber whatever boxing will have its own audience, the same way, say, higschool wrestlers didn't stop watching olympic/collegiate wrestling to watch wwe shows. I think about this with all combat sports, they have a difference niche audience and it will always be like that. edit: I personally don't like Paul, but all this videos hating on him seems to me like "I am mad because he makes more money than me with the thing I love"
Professial combat and martial arts in general faces an inevitable paradox. If you want the purest form of fighting you will literally fight and eventually get injured until death. Rules and limitations make things safer and a person can flourish in martial arts and combat sports. But simply put you will always have holes in your fighting game because of these same rules. Also you need to be ative throughout your life to be ready for a fight. but what can motivate a person to make such a sacrifice all there life? so then you have sports and rewards. but the rewards are limit and if you have tasted succes will be addicted to it. So then the sports needs entertainment and every sport has used entertainment to help themselves. Bruse lee is the premier idol of themartial arts world. But if their is anything lee is most known for, it is being an actor! Ali was "the greatest" but not simply for boxing but uses entertainment to promote boxing. Jake paul took advantage of new technology and business to get ahead. it may not have been ideal, but it worked. But he has acknowledged your concerns publicly bickering over the topic to his brother. He does want to earn respect and is growing in his skills and even legend butterbean acknowledges this. I don't know if this is good bad or ugly but I do think it is nothing new.
In my opinion you are incorrect about why he fights older mma guys. He has tried to line up boxers his age before as well as his weight. However the boxers have to much to lose against him. If they win its against a youtuber and if they lose then their career is ruined.
I don't know that it's quite so clear cut. You can look at youtube boxers in general and want to just toss them on the trash heap but they do bring eyes to boxing, some of those eyes will eventually try to find the history of boxing and who came before etc. Also with the plethora of parochial sanctioning bodies and the lack of cross promotion we don't get to see the best fighting the best. While we can shake our fingers at the alphabet bodies fighters have been finding reasons to not fight each other since the first time someone made a fist. Will boxing eventually go the way of catch wrestling? Maybe. Will it be the fault of RUclips boxers? Not entirely.
The reason Jake Paul won vs so many MMA fighters in boxing. Is partly due to him being younger but also that he can actually box. The reason that Tommy Fury won vs Jake but it could have been much worse if Jake couldn't box. I think he's an awful person but in terms of boxing, he has ability.
I can't help but love it brother. Pro boxers are consummate professionals who put *years* of training, if not decades, into the ring. What Jake Paul has done is make it more of a sport for the common man. What happens when average joes with just a few months of practice go at it? With the Creator Clash series, especially aaron hanson's fight, we have a realistic fight worth watching. But that's just me, it's fascinating!
Your Openings are great, this also feels real educational. Ty for sharing your experiences and opinions about this kind of stuff. Keep it up!
Thank you!
People are so easily swindled. Thanks for keeping it real!
I think people really miss the point that professional boxing is really an entertainment industry thing. And if it wasn't for gambling would boxing in the 1700s have actually existed?
As a discipline on par with karate and judo? Probably. As a big spectacle? Probably not.
Oh absolutely. But gambling on boxing, and fixing "fights" to create a big revenue aren't the same thing.
very good point, but not just gambling but a confluence of new urban conditions. Such as newspapers (for widespread promotion) and a rising consumer class that had the money and leisure time to go watch and pay to see fights. We have heard of James Figg because he opened the first boxing 'amphitheater" (as the old medieval bear gardens were being closed down) that you had to pay to get into. This along with the rise of 'sports' and athletics in general and the creation of 'celebrity' (sports heros). If not for the patronage of the upper classes as well, boxing probably would have been legislated into oblivion (prize fighting was illegal at various times and places) and at least driven underground like other 'combat games' like Purring that are all but forgot and never rose beyond odd local pastimes.
You could say this about every sport
@@simonlee498 You could say it..but it would not be true...lol. Boxing is one of the first "commercialized" sports. There are no baseball or basketball teams in 1719 when Figg's Amphitheater becomes popular.
O I agree with this assessment, because both of my grandfathers were wrestlers & even their children thought that it was a game or choreographed, so my uncles & dad got into Boxing, Taekwondo, Karate. It wasn't until my paternal grandmother died & my paternal grandfather father lived with my parents that I understood wrestling as a great sport & martial art, because he trained me & entered me into tournaments. Fortunately I was at a Kardojitsu dojo that had a dedicated Judo program from there I crossed trained at other dojo that offered Jiujitsu, shooto, vale tudo, nhb, naga, mma back in the late 1980s thru early 2000s when it was still illegal in most states. Though he lived only two more years afterwards I focused on Judo, Jiujitsu, nhb, mma, & joined the Wrestling team where I did American Folkstyle, Freestyle, Greco-Roman Wrestling, Sambo, Judo, Jiujitsu, & even show/exhibition wrestling. If you Wrestling for fun then by all means try all rule sets travel & experience the varieties of the sport, but if you want to compete at the national & international tournaments then specialize. The sports I did the best were Greco-Roman & NHB. Wrestling put me decades ahead of my peers in skill sets. When I became an adult I joined a professional Boxing gym & the difference between Boxing vs MMA is which organized crime organizations are financially backing it controlling the gambling & supplying the P.E.D. The problem with wrestling was the only routes to make money was to become a coach, a MMA professional, a professional wrestler, win the Olympics, or World Games. The average Wrestler Judoka, Samboist, Jiujiteiro weren't earning living wages & the tournaments weren't lucrative until about 2010.
Boxing and even the UFC are slowly turning into WWE
Yeah, couldn't agree more.
@@EnglishMartialArts I agree with that sad assessment. It is a shame that this once great sport has deteriorated into a "freak" show on a par with professional wrestling.
We're entering a dark age, but the good thing about those is that they are always followed by another golden age. Hopefully it's not 1000 years from now though.
@@SweesweetCan I cannot help but agree with your fears about this beloved sport, but I do hope that this current "embarrasing era" will be followed by a noble ascension.
no ufc is better than it ever has been boxing is sort of more show than substance but mostly still high level fighting but its not like there beating each other with inflatable chairs and climbing ladders to get a belt
Mayweather used to fight in a totally different style - he was much more offense based, and much more active (as opposed to reactive). I suppose he looked at a LOT of other boxers at the end of their careers, saw how their health and lives had been ruined, and decided to go down a different path. It's like people who criticised Picasso for 'not being able to paint' - he could paint in a photo-realistic way when he was a child. But he went down a different path.
I think Chael Sonnen is correct when he says the whole point of contact martial arts/boxing/mma is 'I hit you and you don't hit me.' If you can do that, you're winning.
No he broke his hands multiple times including one time in the ring which he probably never wanted to happen again because fighting with one hand is a sure way to lose
@@nickbrooks3054I mean when your toughest opponents were 40 year old dudes like mosley and a midget whos like 5'2 like Manny and you're a huge a side and it's under boxing rules its just a joke 😂 that floyd dude is a joke
100% agree. Engineered quick wins in anything fosters mental disease and dilutes the art.
What needs to happen is to pave the path with pain, struggle and disappointment. Then it becomes something. The amount of work you put in, determines the worth.
I hundred percent agree with you, the age of 20th-century boxing is dying and is being replaced by a striking WWE. It's what we get for creating social media. It may be saved, but boxing fans must do something about it. Who knows maybe Bare knuckle boxing will take its place, but this happens to every style of martial arts eventually. I mean boxing today replaced old boxing because it was more popular.
I think the fact the the biggest star in boxing is a RUclipsr, who’s only fought older, past their prime MMA fighters says everything we need to know about the current state of boxing. It’s why bare knuckle boxing is making a resurgence in popularity and you can view what’s called the Rough ‘n Rowdy which is a tough man style competition that takes place a few states over from where I live in Kentucky United States. I think you’re pretty on point with your analysis.
FIGHT TEAM!
Teaching martial arts for self defense purpose is my main thing, so I've been researching old English (bare knuckle) boxing in recent years. Not really sure but I think that was the reason I subscribed your channel too.
And I love boxing in general. It's something I practice and teach on a daily basis.
So when I found out Jake Paul "beat" Anderson Silva couple days ago, I was shocked. How the hell did it happen? Clearly something fishy occur, but even that's not my point.
I didn't know these Paul Brothers until they started to put the boxing shows on (I refuse to call them "fights"). And when I did, they kinda made me sick.
Kids these days are obsessed with the "life hacks" nonsense, with no boundary, no moral code, no respect, no appreciation of anyone or anything (they don't even love what they do). And these are the "role models" they got now? Call me an old fart but it seems totally unhealthy to me.
Anyway I agreed wholeheartedly with your point here, and appreciate someone say that out loud, without unnecessary trolling. Bashing something negative, with the right mindset and attitude, is a positive thing. Thank you!
Thanks for taking the time to comment!
You're no old fart, just someone who knows what boxing is meant to be. I'm young and not even a combat sports fan nor do I practice it (I'm subscribed for the history) but I can tell that the sport has been 'devolving' in a sense.
Max your bang on mate
It kills me that some amazing MMA fighters are falling into this money trap. Anderson Silva is an undeniable GOAT. I’m glad these guys are being paid to fight a clown, but hate that they’re going out like that. How much responsibility falls on the athletic commissions sanctioning these fights? Another excellent video. Fight Team!
I feel sadder that Anderson Silva, one of the greatest fighters of all time, made more money from his one fight with a RUclipsr than he made on all his UFC fights combined. And the one means for UFC fighters to actually make money, endorsements, has been stripped away by Dana (Scrooge) White. The real enemy here are not guys like Paul, it's guys like Dana White. If he paid his fighters what they're worth, they wouldn't need to participate in these clown shows.
I have a hard time believing Silva lost, even with the age gap. I just hope that one day Jake picks the wrong guy and gets his ass handed to him.
Thank you for mentioning, even just for just a second, the tendency for combat sports fans and players to look the other way when it comes to domestic abuse and sexual violence. Boxing has its fair share of violence outside the ring, but it seems that BJJ wants the crown when it comes to sexual violence. And very few people dare to speak, about it
@@antiantifa886 And his not the only one. Recently I saw boxing fans calling the women Tyson assaulted "wh*res". This says a lot about how the view the situation. And yes the BJJ industry which proud itself as a great way to protect women from rape, has the bad tendency to let predators teach or compete, downplay sexual assaults allégations or to see rape jokes as something ok.
It's a subject that deserves a proper look at. I'm not sure I can do it justice though.
Ooof, much as I like professional wrestling, it is sad what it did to the sport. Boxing and MMA would be sad to see it go that way especially if they're not pulling punches/kicks so as not to hurt their opponent. If they are, then at least I have the consolation the fighters are injured too badly/permanently.
Oooo, there's a story about a promoter trying to get a Leon Spinks comeback started some years ago and he was set to fight some nobody and lost by KO. That'd be a fun story to review for the channel.
Thank you for your videos.
He has bragging rights the rest of his life "i beat a guy that beat Muhammed Ali" 😂
Unfortunately the trend of these RUclips exhibitions fights-it’s not a positive thing for the sport that I love-u are 100% correct good sir
You're so right about how boxing will go the same way as wrestling. The problem is that money is concentrated at the top. Do I believe hand on heart that the best in the world is what we have now? No, sadly, athletes vote with their feet and either do another sport or get a regular job. I was discussing this with my catch instructor a few weeks ago. I was no doubt boring him with some anecdote about the Great Gama but I did say that perhaps the only way forwards was backwards with talented fighters getting patrons so that they could train full-time.
Yeah, you may be right.
Another example of that is the YTer Boxing events (with Odd1sOut, iDubbz etc.)
The sport we all love has basically become purely showbusiness
Boxing does need more people to route for and boo towards. They need a show, but the problem is a lot of people don't know these newer boxers.
The problem is the fighters legit suck! Boxing is the one sport where the skill level actually devolves instead of evolves. I watch boxing all the time and my family actually laugh at some of the recent fights they have seen
You could argue that as soon as Tommy Fury , a real boxer, flattens him in their upcoming fight that this clown show will come to an end.
But it's often remembered that many old boxers like Chuck Wepner, the inspiration for Rocky Balboa, fought a bear for entertainment, George Foreman did a Foreman vs Five Men , a few rounds each with journeyman boxers, Ali famously fought an exhibition with a wrestler.
I agree that Jake Paul is making more money than plenty of real professionals by fighting retired athletes from other sports, but it sums up entertainment. As Lisa Simpson once remarked about her brother Bart, "he'll never go broke, appealing to the lowest common denominator ".
Boxing will survive this little side trip as well as it has all of it's other challenges for the last 2 or 300 years. Fads are like kidney stones, this too shall pass. Might hurt a little.
I hope you're right.
I've been looking boxing going down from the time I practiced it (which, to be honest, was a long time ago. As in 30 years).
It saddens me because boxing was my first martial art and I loved working with my hands; when grabbling, I like takedowns and throws, but as a short guy (160 cm), I've always relied more on my boxing and hands than anything else.
With the decline of respect for boxing as a combat sport, it saddens me.
I’m 55
I grew boxing and watching boxing
It’s di old there are way less “ Big fights “
and way less real champions that we both want to watch and most important are ready to fight the best .
This is what is killing boxing 🥊
Think about this ,
What fight are you truly excited to see ?
There’s the problem
Oh god ive seen some horrible fixed fights in boxing. It makes me feel sick.
I think what you talk about here is vitally important to pretty much anything that is part of or IS its own folk culture that becomes marketable, wherein the art/ science/ tradition itself becomes less important to the industry - and anyone who sees it from the outside - than the ability to make money at it. What will keep boxing or any other such thing alive, even if quietly on the fringes of the industry, is integrity: doing the right thing, the right way, for the right reasons.
That said, FIGHT TEAM 👊🥋⚔📕
Yes, but I worry we'll end up like wrestling with "Pro Wrestling" being hugely popular, and the art it came from being almost unheard of.
@@EnglishMartialArts Agreed. That's why integrity is up to individuals. The big organizations need money, and if they succeed they WANT money, and that becomes the driving force and shapes the course of the "pro" environment.
It's a real concern, to be sure, but I think that those who seek the real stuff will find it. But then, I am an optimist.
Good points. Any good sources for cane fighting that emphasize 2 handed grips for weapon retention?
It doesn’t really bother me that neither of them are “real fighters” watching two people who are close in skill level or athleticism go at it is really fun, two relatively unskilled yet highly determined individuals can still have a great fight
i think there is still vitalety in boxing
as long as they dont kill one another
This would be why I like watching bare knuckle
I agree 100%!!! It's very sad indeed! :(
I totally agree with you !
You are wise... 😀
@@EnglishMartialArts :))) Don't tell anyone ! ;)
Boxing laid the groundwork for this themselves. Jake Paul merely took advantage of it. For decades now the resumes of most of the biggest names in boxing have been filled of more tomato cans than your local ASDA. Boxers build up a big list of wins by only taking fights they know they can win and then use the undefeated streak to sell the big fights. The only real difference is Jake Paul's cans were big names in other sports they had retired from.
The drama, The Politics, The Rubbish talking, The clout Chasing, The best fighting tomato can and sometimes can take years to negotiate or not at all, padded Record, 2 undisputed champion on the same weight class, Racism, yeah It sucks.
In the late 1800s, Pugilism enthusiast and historian Henry Downes Miles wrote his severely underrated history of boxing in England: "Pugilistica". When he wrote the book, it seemed very much so that between negative public perception, legal crackdowns and scandals rocking the ailing sport that Pugilism/Bareknuckle Boxing was in it's death throes. Bemoaning the embellishments in Pierce Egans far more popular (if more inaccurate) "Boxiana", Miles wrote Pugilistica as a cipher, a true historiographical achievement to preserve the memory of the sport he loved so much for future generations.
What I'm saying is: this too shall pass. There was much doomsaying around combat sports in the 90s and we remain. And despite gripes with modern day promotion, MMA is still (with notable exceptions) largely a meritocracy. Boxing can achieve similar levels of integrity. Remember that the most passionate and well-read man on Pugilism in the Victorian period, predicted it's oncoming demise almost a century and half ago and he was wrong. Peaks and valleys, this is the way of all practices. Sumo fans thought the sport was in its death throes in the mid 2000s before the most dominant Yokozuna in history emerged.
We should have patience and faith in the eternal ethic of the martial spirit. Jake's little sideshow is simply a blip, a series of self-aggrandizing stunts that we will look back on as an embarrassing bit of carnival showmanship.
Jake Paul isn't the worst thing - he's just the inevitable result of the trajectory where boxing is going.
Might as well turn it into pro wrestling with strikes. Then we would see "shoots" from boxers not willing to play along the script and it becomes interesting in a different way.
I do love the discussions your bringing up with your content.
Do we consider the pros with a 3-0 record fighting someone with a 1-5 record a boxer? I consider them boxers. Jake trains the sport, he competes in the sport. I think he's a boxer.
I would also argue that for however timid, slow, and well past his prime Woodley is he is a significantly harder challenge than if Jake fought your average run of the mill pro with
Jake is not a boxer because all his fights are clown shit where nobody really wants to win. His record is as fake as Jorge Kahwagi's.
To be fair the only times Paul has been matched with actual boxers they have pulled out or broken the contract. The fear of having a loss on your record is what's ruining boxing.
I'd like to see what they are signing up to before judging. If they worry they're going to lose against a tuber then they're probably in the wrong game.
@@EnglishMartialArts I think there is a genuine fear of losing to Paul. Losses seem to hold too much weight in Boxing. (I confess I am an older mainly mma fan and we don't generally care about a loss as much as the response to it and this does bias me)
@@EnglishMartialArtsthere was never a threat of anybody to lose to Paul 😂 im more of a mma fan to but for fvcks sake practice boxing with a legit trainer to see the difference between a real boxer and jake paul 😂 once you start trying to learn you'll realize how low level jack paul is! Now are tommy fury the best pro? No but you can watch him box and see he's got actual boxing ability lol omg I swear jake paul had you people blinded
@@SRTC1perceptionsno lol Paul was never going to beat nobody in boxing, he's white and from america for fvkcs sake 😂 kidding partially but in all seriousness Rahman was taken out of the fight because the weight cut was unsafe, tommy fury got legit injured in Sugar Hills camp! Sugar hill actually has a very tough camp by boxing standards.
Stop letting social media rot your mind and do your homework and also use your brain! You could watch film of rahman jr, Tommy fury, and paul and flat out see paul can not hang beat them! Now with 30 pound weight cuts and a rehydration clause anything is possible nowadays though 😅
I've always liked your stuff and I think.what uou put out there is great and I think you're spot on about Jake Paul and how it's going to ruin the boxing industry
Hey, have you thought of teaching MMA? You do catch wrestling and pugulism, both would be perfect for fighting with smaller gloves. You could make quite a bit of money bringing the historical to the modern.
At first, I was thinking that you and other people were just trippin about stuff. But when I watch your videos, I totally be agreeing with what you're saying. You be speaking facts, man. I have respect for ya.
Thanks, that's nice to hear.
@@EnglishMartialArts You're welcome, man. It's no problem.
I get what your saying but the cream rises to the top in sport the majority of modern boxers aren't willing to take the risk when they can get an easy life from boxing, but the fact canelo is the best paid boxer and also the man with the best resume of a fighter in this era in his prime gives hope that it's still a purists sport
Yeah I agree as of right now boxing is kinda dead to me
The examples you bring up remind me of Pride FC's "freakshow" matchups. Where fights like Bob Saap, or Hong Man Choi would be brought out to compete against former sumo wrestlers, or people who were significantly smaller (for a david v. goliath match up). I think that these sorts of fights have always been there, and satisfy a certain part of the audience.
But just like how a portion of the mma audience dislikes watching Demetrius Johnson for being slow and lacking that KO factor you see with lumbering heavyweights, I think there's also a portion of the audience who truly appreciates the artistry that he uses.
So as long as people truly recognize the beauty that comes from the artistry of boxing, I think we will be alright. Though I definitely see how MMA and the UFC have definitely focused on the entertainment aspect. It's almost like WWE over there.
Japan never drew as firm a boundary between shoot and work as in the US, so it's not uncommon to see a mix of both "serious sport" and "bullshit" on their events. I do still miss the spectacle PRIDE and other Japanese promotions brought to the table, though. They knew how to make MMA fighters look like gods.
The spectacle has always attracted the casuals and the crowds. Primo Carnera was a spectacle, to some extant. When Max Baer beat him, he had his own shtick. Then, along came the Cinderella Man... There have been long counts, bitten ears, loaded gloves, fan man, etc. Boxing is individual and therefore personality driven, and for probably that same reason, it attracts a lot of strong personalities, whether they can actually box or not. Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, and Tyson Fury all veer strongly in the direction of entertainment for entertainment's sake. Of course, they can all actually fight. I'd say that what Jake Paul's doing isn't much different from what Floyd Mayweather, or Ric Flair, or even Butterbean did. And it's true, he's not fighting any great boxers, but he's still a novice, and the level of competition that he's faced has been at least as good as most beginners. Tommy Fury, in his sixth fight, fought a guy who was 0 and 9. Floyd in his ninth fight fought a guy who was 1 and 13. What Jake Paul has done is to take this novice part of his career and turn it to profit. And while Tyron Woodley isn't a boxer, he was always a dangerous, heavy handed striker. Ask Wonderboy. Also, Anderson Silva outpointed Julio Cesar Chavez, albeit a checked-out, post-prime Chavez. Still, a former champ, with a great pedigree. Also, a guy like Kazuhiro Sakuraba, made his inroads in the spectacle of pro wrestling, but was able to keep his roots, eventually merging the two experiences into one of the great early mma fighters.
*Kazushi Sakuraba
Chavez Jr., of course
My sister and me saw a floyd "fight" on a tv screen at a restaurant when we were kids at the opponent was like an old man in the first round he literally only landed one shot on floyd and it almost entirely knocked floud out lol he held the rest of the round and all floyd did was run away after that scare! for one, what a glass jaw right? For two whats the entertainment value in that? 😂😂😂 and jake paul? Jake paul NEVER had a boxing career for fvcks sake did you read the age of his opponents? 😂
How does Nicolino Locche fit into this discussion?
I honestly think this trend of yt boxers will die out naturally,leaving no particular impact on the sport itself whatsoever. The fans that are drawn to the personas more so than the actual fights will get bored and move on. The thing is people often say that you've got to know sth about grappling and groundfighting to enjoy watching it,'cause otherwise it's pretty boring. I'd say very often the same applies to boxing,despite it seemingly having more entertainment value in the art itself. But if you don't know what to look for and what the boxers are trying to achieve with certain actions,the experience can be very similar to watching groundfighting,without any knowledge on it. Not to mention that most knockouts will seem to be pretty messy and come out of nowhere. And I know that,'cause before I started training boxing,that'd generally be my experience watching it. And I think in the long run the fighters that draw the actual audience and make them stay are the ones that are entertaining to watch in the actual ring due to their style,skill or maybe 'cause they have huge knockout power (not the factor that gives the fights entertainment value for me,but for many people it does,that's why heavyweight is so popular). I for example just love to watch Lomachenko due to the sheer way he moves in the ring and creates angles and I think that distinct fighters like him actually have the potential of bringing new audience that will stay invested to the sport. He's just super entertaining to watch inside the ring and that's all that matters in the end
K.S.I fought a pro boxer mate from Mexico, who did the amateurs, white collar route.
And KSI destroyed him. 7 knockdowns or something.
My point being, when does a boxer become a "boxer"? Both Jake and KSI have trained in boxing for years now. If you train in a sport for a long period can you adopt that title?
I'm not particularly interested in youtube or celebrity boxing, I much prefer bare knuckle anyway.
Just a question I'm pondering. What is the criteria needed to call oneself a practioner of their chosen sport.
As an artist, I'd be more than happy to consider a mock up of some #FightTeam t-shirt design, but I'll need more details in what kind you have in mind before we start talking shop. That can be discussed later, though, so lets get to the freakshow at hand: In terms of Jake Paul and the industry at large, one can argue that celebrity sports in general tend to bring a good deal of publicity to the sport, but contrary to popular belief, I tend to believe that there IS such thing as bad publicity.
In many ways, what's happening now to Boxing is quite akin to your fellow RUclipsr MrBeast's "I Spent 50 Hours In Solitary Confinement" video. In other words, while the vent in question has many elements of the genuine article (in this case, Boxing), its in many ways NOT the same thing. While the people have some "talent", the followers care more about their favorite celebrities rather than the athletes with actual skill.
I like boxing but it's time for it to die as we now know it
I won’t let that happen coz imma be a future champ and I’ll need competition
I remember Ali and Foreman, advocating decades ago, stay in school get an education, if you have an alternative to fighting for a living do so. Many talented athletic men and women have done so or pursued sports that don't involve deliberate head trauma as a daily activity. But there will always be an audience for those who do pursue it. Several commentators have said the decline in America in boxing has been in part due to this and the rise in former communist and dictatorial countries, has generated many boxers as they seek a better life out of poverty. These same commentators have also said that eastern European culture isn't one of being loud self publicists. The Klitschko's and Povetkin, Maskaev etc never really managed to sell themselves to a broad audience, like a less skillful Wilder has for example. So seeing Paul exploit a time where there is a bit of a vacuum stateside, is no more surprising than when Hulk Hogan did the same in the early eighties. Some people just want to be entertained, regardless of the quality or validity of the fight. I think there will always be a place for all these things, it just sometimes takes time for the dust of one generation to settle enough, for the next to be appreciated. Money has always corrupted the sports of the world, from fighters being leaned on to through fights, by criminals and sponsors. Hell Marciano never managed to shake off the accusations of Mob fixes. So whose to say his time was legitimate or, the billion belts era we have now is legit, or Braddock not fighting for 364 days to hold onto his belt made the sport legit. I imagine the days of gladiators where just as rife with gambling and corruption and promotion over substance and skill. Such are the schemes of humans and greed. I shall stop ranting now :)
I genuinely feel there's a line between trying to exploit the system for extra gain, and basically not caring if you destroy the system. And Paul is on the wrong side of that line.
@@EnglishMartialArts Agreed. Perhaps he's been too influenced by the likes of Don King, and many others like him where only the money matters, and there's no true love for the art or the sport.
Keep in mind that in other cultures (Thailand specifically comes to mind but there are several others), boxing is not the influencer hype show that it has become for Western viewers. Also, I find that many of the more enjoyable boxing fights can be on the undercard where you can see different skill level matchups come to light. Finally, join your local boxing gym and spar with the crew... The skill and art is still very real.
Money's made American Football and basketball go downhill too.
I agree totally with you it’s a joke someone will get seriously hurt great channel
Every fighting art gets watered down over time as it becomes more main stream sad to say even UFC is becoming more watered down and money hungry
UFC has always been manipulated heavily to get the right result. It doesn't always work, but usually.
Haha I was surprised you knew the “Shockmaster” 🤣
Met him and had coffee with him! Nice guy...
sounds like a fight organized by the Mob would be a better and more fair fight. So I think you got this right.
Boxing [as entertainment] can suck for various reasons.
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But I think that the obvious issue is when certain fights don´t happen [for years] and a whole division gets held up for that time.
In boxing you sometimes have the no.1 and no. 2 fighters choosing no. 5 or no. 6 as there opponents rather than no. 3 and 4 or each other. And that is something that I don´t really think happens in any other sport.
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You do sometimes have "elimination round" style tournaments organized - and they usually are great.
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I don´t see what Jake Paul does as damaging the sport - and at the end of the day, he does have several professional fighters on each undercard for his fights and he usually pays them pretty well.
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cheers
JB
You brought up a good point. Jake is fighting older boxers. How many times has he fought someone around his age? Someone who is a fighter that is his age too, and not just some RUclipsr.
@Think This Eubank Jr offered to fight him.
@@thinkthis7429aged badly clown
I lament the lack of skill, humility, and dedication to training and mastery of the science of boxing. Nor the basic understanding of the art. It has become a glorified circus . The only missing individuals are the freaks. The clowns are masquerading as boxers. I humbly apologize for my rant. God bless you and family.
In fairness to your complaints about personality overwhelming the sport, Ali wasn't exactly Joe Louis when it came to being a humble craftsman;). His skills meant he could put his money where his mouth was, but he understood how to self-promote. But, yeah, when I see an undefeated record in boxing that says a good manager not a good fighter.
If an elderly gentleman, who enjoys the art of pugilism, may be permitted to voice an honest opinion. What this individual has done is degrade that sweet science of manly combat sports. Yet dare say I there is hope as long as men, such as you Sir, continue to bring this absurdity too light. The young men will soon learn the value of the art. Once again thank you for bringing joy to an elderly gentleman. I am slowly recovering from problems of the heart but your engaging lectures are always welcome.
Has English boxing Asian roots? Was it developed from wushu or Indian fisfight?
@@antiantifa886 Really? How?
Not that I'm aware of.
Art of fighting has been around for hundreds of years but the rules of boxing originated and started in England
Excellent points!
Thank you.
If Jake Paul ever fights Tommy Fury, I guess we'll find out.
I think Paul should be forced to make the fight contract public. But I'm not convinced Tommy is much of a boxer either to be fair.
@@EnglishMartialArts He's been offered eubank jr.
@@EnglishMartialArts agreed on both counts. But at least Tommy is in his prime, has only ever been a boxer, and has a comparable number of fights, so the experience level is even.
I believe a few people have mentioned already, but saying Jack Paul is the worst thing to happen to boxing is a bit like putting the cart before the horse to me. Why has Jake Paul been able to muscle into the sport of boxing like this? Who left the gates open for people to think this is what boxing is all about?
Short answer: I think boxing promoters did it to themselves. They set up the freakshow fights, and the 100-0 records against jobbers and cans, and kept the bubbling-under fighters out of sight and out of mind, and likely got more than a few kickbacks from the organized crime rings who love putting big money on sure-things (if I'm peddling conspiracy theories at my leisure, please excuse the indiscretion 🤐)
Jake Paul is just reviving the Celebrity Boxing craze of yesteryears. And he's not the only one--people are praising Creator Clash from a little while ago, eager to see the new one, uninterested in the skill and talent necessary to be a great fighter, just interested in seeing two people they've heard about try and hurt each other for a bit, maybe hug it out in the end.
Why are they not doing this as MMA, Wrestling, Submission Grappling, or even Kickboxing events, if everyone is gonna whine and moan about how much they hate the hugging? Even though we all know that hugging is a huge part of less-than-amateur boxing events.
Frankly, while a big part of it is likely the on-the-surface simplicity of "you just hit each other with the front part of the fist until someone loses", and the media presence boxing has enjoyed for decades, I honestly think most of it comes down to boxing organizations failing to promote themselves accurately to the general audience. The UFC may not have the kind of payouts for its fighters as the best boxing organizations, but if I were to rattle off some active bigger-name boxers to a random walker by on the street, they'd probably look at me like I'm just describing the cast of a sitcom. I start talking about top 15s in the UFC, I'll get at least a handful of lightbulbs. Granted, that's almost exclusively UFC--Bellator, One, PFL and others *wish* they had that much mental real estate--but I don't think it's something to shrug off. How many names can I list from the largest boxing organization and get a similar response?
Sh*t... I didn't even think about it that way.
To be fair Anderson Silva had several professional boxing matches. And to be fair to Paul, he did bring awareness to how much Dana White is ripping off fighters and shitting on them. Until Jake Paul started to make some noise about that, I had no idea how little UFC fighters get paid, that they have to pay for their hotel rooms/ flights/ and cornermen, that they have to pay their own doctor bills, and that Dan took away their only real outlet for making money which was endorsements. I'm not a fan of how the Paul brothers fight, but you got to give it to them for showing that there is a way to sidestep the Don Kings and Bob Arums of the world and the more importantly, Dana White who is a billionaire but won't give his fighter health insurance! And one more point, Jake Paul did just fight a real boxer. He lost, but he didn't embarrass himself that fight.
Nah, boxing's been putting on freakshows since before wrestling was scripted. The ancients ran a pretty pure sport but from Figg onward boxing's been a mix of BS entertainment fights and legitimately skilled sport.
People have lamented the death of boxing for decades. AJ Liebling in his book the Sweet Science, published in the 1950s lamented how television was going to turn boxing into a show and kill the sport. I’ll always bet on boxing surviving.
I actually agree. But this is the case for professional boxing, rather than boxing as a whole..
What I mean by that - I personally watch more Olympic-style boxing("Amateur boxing") rather than proffi, because there it is not about doing a show, but in fact proving who the best of the best is! All international competitions are in knokcout format so in the end the best fight the best most of the times and yes there is corruption in the IBA(formaly known as AIBA), but if you beat your opponent convincingly on points or with a knockout you will earn your progression in the tournament. There are no crazy walkouts,big pressekonferanses, or crazy hype to the point of personality cult.Also they weight you in the day of the fight so there are less crazy cuts.Just 3x3 boxing and defending your nations honour and your skill as an athlete!
Very good point.
Boxing is a very very good skill to have you can tell that most mma fighters can't really box against a boxer basically the striking of most mma guys sucks
And yes boxing politics suck.
The boxing of MMA guys suck, but that's because they aren't boxers. They are competing in MMA.
Mighty mouse fought Rodtang in Thai boxing in round 1 and 3, with rounds 2 and 4 being MMA. Mighty mouse got dominated in round 1, he looked like he didn't belong in there. He dominated in the stand-up in round 2.
MMA striking is not thai boxing, or kick boxing, or boxing. Add in the risk of a takedown or clinchwork and it's a different beast altogether.
I agree. Great video.
I've recently stopped being a fan of Jake Paul because I honestly think that the Anderson Silva fight ended in a dive. However these arguments are really bad on paper. You don't need to defend the sanctity of a Bloodsport where violence is entertainment ,brain damage ,failed careers are the norm. It ALWAYS HAS BEEN a circus and Jake Paul fits right in anybody who follows this knew he'd do well after he was trained by Shane Mosley.
I think there's a give line between exploiting the system to your own gain, and breaking the system.
To me he's killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
You should do MMA and demonstrate your knowledge and skills
This is an old situation which has some connection to the socioeconomic state of the world. I believe that Ole Cusmano said{paraphrased} that poor people make the best boxers because they must win to improve their lives and that they grew up suffering and are naturally tougher. The existence of bloodsport entertainment has always wavered between actual demonstration of real skills versus the marketable spectacle since the days of Roman gladiators. Hence many martial arts lines in Asia considered sponsored public fighting as thuggery. Everywhere in cultures around the world and through time has had a tradition of public bouts of some kind and the current state of affairs in these sports always reflects the current zeitgeist. Thanks!
Why are you throwing the Shockmaster under the bus, Oz? hasnt he suffered enough?
Got no real problem with RUclips boxing imo it’s not really social media boxers fault. It’s Boxing’s fault for not giving us the fights we want to see so as goofy as it is for me it’s pretty entertaining to see. Hopefully boxing gets its act together and the best fight the best like UFC fighters do
I'm not sure the best MMA fighters are fighting each other. Like boxing there are numerous promotions with their own rankings. Who is the heavyweight mma champion currently? And is that UFC? BELLATOR? ONE? UAE WARRIORS?
@@EnglishMartialArts I mean UFC alone the belt holders fight the best in the top 5 regularly. Had Islam v Oliviera. Adesanya v Alex. Islam v Volkanivski already signed after a week negotiations for UFC 284. 2 champions 145lb champ Volk v Islam for double champ status at 155lbs.
In boxing that would take a year. Look who Fury is fighting Chisora a guy who has lost all his fights and fury beat twice already. Spence v Crawford. AJ v wilder. Etc these fights don’t get made if this was UFC Dana would’ve made these fights years ago. AJ v Fury has been brewing for over 10 years. That’s Boxing for you
There’s a comparison to be made between boxing and fencing.
There’s Olympic fencing and then there’s stage fencing. Olympic fencing is extremely limited by rules and extremely fast. It’s hard to tell who is better without prior education. Stage fencing isn’t really fencing, but it is flashy, loose, and entertaining. People enjoy watching it on stage and in movies. Many more people watch stage fencing than Olympic style, so that’s where the money is.
The impetus in any sport is going to be towards flashiness. There have been deliberate rule changes in American football and baseball to liven up the proceedings, and to fit them better into the schedule of commercial television.
Broadcasting, both conventional and online, ups the ante. Ad revenue is hungry for spectacle and rewards those who can produce hype and drama.
I guess I’m just saying that none of this should be a surprise.
If Jake Paul wants to fight a retired fighter, let him fight Butterbean.
What is your lighting set up? It looks very nice.
I was clickbaited but I generally agree with your feelings. As a boxing purist and someone who struggled to break in to the pro boxing scene myself, it kills me to see a guy get his chance from being a stupid RUclipsr.
I’ll nitpick one point, Anderson Silva beat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr who was in the shadow of his father his whole career, but…. He was at the very least a legitimate boxer and world champion.
That being said, I’ve also wondered if boxing is going down the path of pro wrestling. One of the things that led me to this channel was hearing about catch and the early days when wrestling competition was real. All the pieces are in place for this to happen in the same way to boxing. I ultimately think its too big of a shift to happen completely. However there is definitely a market for farcical fights and that makes me sad bc I and my peers were real fighters struggling to make a buck.
PS have you read Champion of the World by Chad Dundas? It’s a fictional book about an old carnival catch wrestler training a fallen world champion to regain his title in wrestling… great read and aligns with your interests.
I haven't read that, I'll check it out, sounds like my my kinda thing!
I have a pair of big softboxes as key and fill, with a small led panel on top as a "hair light" I play with the brightness and camera settings from time to time in order to brighten or darken the background.
The real fun comes in the colour correction in post!
David Beckham in football⚽️ is also overrated & is paid more not because he’s the best at the sport. He’s just happened to be a blond English, handsome & married to one of the spice girls.
Interestingly, as regards to the money issue, Jake Paul has been one of the very few people to rightly take the UFC to task over the issue of fighter pay. So, though I see your point about him being detrimental to the sport of boxing in that they might devolve into reality show matches, he's simultaneously used his voice to amplify the pay concerns. In the UFC, the pay structures are shockingly bad, considering people are risking their long term health, nay, their lives in competition. A 12K show, 12K win package is appealing, yet for many fighters that's regarded as some sort of ticket to the big leagues. Dana White despises Paul, yet on this issue, Paul is right.
Yes, but he's not the first to try to bring it to light, but White has no control over him so he's the first to have some little success.
Call me a cynic but I do wonder if he's doing it to help him line up more old MMA fighters to beat.
@@EnglishMartialArts Oh, I'm pretty sure there is a cynical motivation for it! But at least he's causing a little bit of convo about it, regardless of motivation! Really enjoy your vids, by the way -- I forgot to mention that before! As an aside, I'd love to train in some pugilistically based HEMA, but all the branches of HEMA in Glasgow (where I am) do sword stuff. You wouldn't happen to know of any offering fistuffed-versions up here, would you, Ox? Thanks for the channel regardless!
Quality stuff once again. Great channel!!!!!!!
Thanks mate.
God points - this seems more like public duelling - boxing 🥊 seems to be the middle ground that this can reasonably occur in todays society - it’s also the combat art that can arguably be learned faster ? Add profit, prestige and money and there you are - lastly there is a primal side to fighting - it’s not the same as winning at chess or a race ..
6:15-6:23 hurt like a divorce where you lose the house AND the dog
Yes it going the way you say and it’s all Canelo fault by so called being the face of boxing and not challenging himself by fighting the best also he resorts to steroids without punishment so people are not getting the fights they want and deserve and him not being reprimanded for steroids people have lost respect for rules and culture of boxing
The way of pro wrestling
Boxing for a very long time has ultimately become a show like the WWE, pure entertainment and I prefer the old school Boxing long before the entertainment. aspect invaded into the sweet science. I wouldn't have a problem if Jake Paul entered into the amateur ranks, but he felt by defeating guys that aren't boxers like beating MMA vets makes him the boxer which is far from being the truth.
Agreed.
Agreed, but I think Jake Paul is kind of the boxer that modern boxing deserves. The sport was always a bit fishy at times but now I'm waiting for a Paul brother dressed as the Undertaker taking a paid fall to a girl or a trans to make a big ppv sale.
I don't really watch Boxing on a regular basis, but as a martial art and a discipline I highly respect it. Jake Paul isn't a Boxer if he isn't going to fight another Boxer. I agree that his matches are basically what you could call a circus fight. The last thing anyone needs in any professional competitive martial art is another Jake Paul. I think that this kind of thing should be not only discouraged but banned. If you don't have an amateur record, then you have no business turning pro.
I'm going to take a broad leap and assume that's how it used to be done and that Boxing used to require you to have a license to do it. If that's so, then that's how it needs to go back to being. I know that's basically gatekeeping, but for the sanctity of the discipline, combat sport, or whichever term you wish to use, then a gate should be kept.
Moreover, Jake seems very tied up in his own ego. I bring this up because another reason he and others like him who pull off these non-matches begin to think they can hang with the real pros and end up severely hurt or worse. For the sake of not only the discipline, but also for the lives of those who aren't prepared to handle a real competitor, please keep them out of the ring with anyone, circus fight or not.
Jake's brother Logan has been main eventing in the WWE, which is directly comparable with Jake doing exhibition fights. Like Logan's wrestling career I suspect most of Jake's fights have been worked shoots, with his ex MMA opponents paid handsomely to take a dive, probably for more than what they got paid to fight in the UFC. So yep, it's shit.
Even if it is a freak show, they are still boxing and not acting. Therefore, I still have hope that maybe some people end up interesting in actual boxing after watching these questionable spectacles.
Some will I have no doubt. But do the positives outweigh the negatives?
I think it doesn't matter, boxing will never be mainstream and Paul isn't taking views from real boxing, boxing has its fans, and celebrity/youtuber whatever boxing will have its own audience, the same way, say, higschool wrestlers didn't stop watching olympic/collegiate wrestling to watch wwe shows.
I think about this with all combat sports, they have a difference niche audience and it will always be like that.
edit: I personally don't like Paul, but all this videos hating on him seems to me like "I am mad because he makes more money than me with the thing I love"
Good stuff as always man.
Thank you!
Professial combat and martial arts in general faces an inevitable paradox. If you want the purest form of fighting you will literally fight and eventually get injured until death.
Rules and limitations make things safer and a person can flourish in martial arts and combat sports. But simply put you will always have holes in your fighting game because of these same rules.
Also you need to be ative throughout your life to be ready for a fight. but what can motivate a person to make such a sacrifice all there life?
so then you have sports and rewards. but the rewards are limit and if you have tasted succes will be addicted to it. So then the sports needs entertainment and every sport has used entertainment to help themselves. Bruse lee is the premier idol of themartial arts world. But if their is anything lee is most known for, it is being an actor! Ali was "the greatest" but not simply for boxing but uses entertainment to promote boxing.
Jake paul took advantage of new technology and business to get ahead. it may not have been ideal, but it worked.
But he has acknowledged your concerns publicly bickering over the topic to his brother.
He does want to earn respect and is growing in his skills and even legend butterbean acknowledges this.
I don't know if this is good bad or ugly but I do think it is nothing new.
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I like Jake Paul's 8 round matches.
Way more entertaining than many boxing matches. Let's get the big shows to shorten down to that for some fun.
In my opinion you are incorrect about why he fights older mma guys. He has tried to line up boxers his age before as well as his weight. However the boxers have to much to lose against him. If they win its against a youtuber and if they lose then their career is ruined.
I suspect the contract is what kills it, not the risk. Very few pro boxers believe they'd lose a fight, especially not to him.
I don't know that it's quite so clear cut. You can look at youtube boxers in general and want to just toss them on the trash heap but they do bring eyes to boxing, some of those eyes will eventually try to find the history of boxing and who came before etc. Also with the plethora of parochial sanctioning bodies and the lack of cross promotion we don't get to see the best fighting the best. While we can shake our fingers at the alphabet bodies fighters have been finding reasons to not fight each other since the first time someone made a fist.
Will boxing eventually go the way of catch wrestling? Maybe. Will it be the fault of RUclips boxers? Not entirely.
The reason Jake Paul won vs so many MMA fighters in boxing. Is partly due to him being younger but also that he can actually box. The reason that Tommy Fury won vs Jake but it could have been much worse if Jake couldn't box. I think he's an awful person but in terms of boxing, he has ability.
I remember when Jake Paul was famous for 'England is my city'
I can't help but love it brother. Pro boxers are consummate professionals who put *years* of training, if not decades, into the ring.
What Jake Paul has done is make it more of a sport for the common man. What happens when average joes with just a few months of practice go at it? With the Creator Clash series, especially aaron hanson's fight, we have a realistic fight worth watching. But that's just me, it's fascinating!
Spot on. Jake Paul is one of the worst things to happen to boxing. Really brings the sport down and others are following this path. Sigh