This feels like going back to a time where it was just you sipping wine and telling stories, Oz. That was my favourite era, personally, and this definitely a return to that but with much higher production quality! I love your storytelling, and I'm really looking forward to going on this journey with you again. Fight team!
I was just talking about this with someone, I'm always educating the fighters at my gym. I may be the odd one, but I find it kinda odd how many of the guys who dedicate their lives to the sport know so little about it. Then again I got this channel to thank for pointing me into the right directions.
Love the fact that you addressed the George Stevenson issue, if only in passing. The December 28th 1681 issue of the Protestant Mercury is available at an online newspaper archive which you can see it for free with a seven day free trial. Sadly when I tried to link to the particular website my comment got deleted, but I'm sure you could find it with a quick search. I disagree with some of what you're saying about ground fighting in the pre Broughton days, but I'll have to gather up my notes to back up what I'm saying, so I'll post about that later. Anyway good stuff as always. FIGHT TEAM!
The ground fighting isn't an issue I'm willing to drop just yet, but I'm always open to hearing a coherent argument. I'll try to find the archive in question, I did have a look but it was late and I obviously missed it. Drop me an email if you wouldn't mind, I'd love to explore some of the things you have mentioned in a little more detail. .
I enjoyed this throwback video and I have a suggestion for a parallel video to the Jack Broughton story. Right now I’m looking at a piece of boxing memorabilia; an autographed photo card of Tommy Collins, an American featherweight boxer of the 1950s who had an impressive knockout record. He was also the loser of the “Boston Massacre” of 1953 against lightweight Jimmy Carter. He was knocked down ten times, and so badly beaten there was an outcry for reform. At least one reform, the three knockdown rule, was put in place. I’d like to see a video from you on that fight, Tommy Collins, and the parallel evolution of rules on this side of the pond. I love your history videos.
That is a very interesting topic, especially given the fact that we more or less have returned to those times form before the rules - sounds like an MMA fighter would fit those fights fairly well, if they can go on without breakes.
Excellent history of Boxing which I find it very fascinating and rich in history as a means of sports and even self protection. What I would do to go back in time to visit the Royal Theatre in London back in the late 1600's
Fantastic vid of the timeline and links to the longer vids. Keep up the great work buddy! Hope you feel better soon after your disney marathon. #fightteam!
Really enjoy these videos, mate. (Fight team, naturally.) I have a book somewhere that I can't quite recall the name of, it was something like Boxiana? In any case, it was all about pugilism, and had many incredible rundowns of classic bouts, and gives a lot of information about many of the top (and lesser well known) fighters, spanning quite a period of history.
Sounds like Boxiana by Pearce Egan. He was essentially the first sports journalist. The Folio Society published an abridged version of his work in the 70s, is yours a hardback in a box?
@@EnglishMartialArts That was it, yes! Sadly it's not a hardback, no. I took a look and yeah the paperback version is easy to come by. I guess the hardback is sought after!
@@JivecattheMagnificent the original is 4 or 5 volumes and worth its weight in gold. The 70s reprint is usually about £20 or so. Well worth getting if you see a copy.
@@EnglishMartialArts those techniques seem really useful, you could wiff a hook and come back with the hammer or back fist. On the ground in someones guard, if you apply a can opener your opponents entire face and head is vulnerable to hammerfists. I want to see more of them and i will work to use them in competition
If you take a look at the "jab" of certain boxers who used cross-armed guards like Gene Fullmer and Archie Moore, you can make an argument that the hammerfist never entirely disappeared. Then again, once your into the "dirty tactics" realm of boxing you can argue that trips, headbutts, elbows, and open hand strikes are still around too....
Dude I love your channel.👊 This type of pugilistic education and interesting commentary enriches my own background and understanding and is much appreciated. I fought Original MMA in the 90's wear anything goes with 4-ounce Harbinger fingerless bag gloves were used. It was MMA but at that time you were allowed to do anything except; (fish hook, eye gouge or groin shots)... Techniques like soccer kicking or kneeing a downed fighter in the head, head slams, head butts, tailbone shots, throat shots, and many other types of potential maming techniques eventually we're removed for safety and public opinion to become a legitimate sport in the USA. I personally wanted to punch and kick on my feet or on the ground while kickboxing I looked to slow movement and while wrestling I used position to control for ground/n/pound or submission finishing. All precursors to modern mma. 👊💀
keep up the good , I mean great work ! I look forward to every new video ! would like some coverage of highland games backhold wrestling if pos. THANKS !!!!!!!
To indulge my laziness and answer your previous video, this is where I'd like to see the channel go in the future. This is the kind of stuff that I personally find the most interesting (along with the tales of greatness, Smackanory, etc.) I understand that this might not be the most algorithmically rewarding type of content but it is what I'm most interested in. As far as speaking of only English boxing I was very much reminded of dear old Cross Buttucker and his zealotry for Cumberland and Westmoreland wrestling. Also noticed that you put the gloves on the shelf behind you for this one. #fightteam
For self defence it's hard to say. Someone that can teach good footwork, good evasion and blocking, and focuses on the fundamentals. For now go subscribe to Matt Goddard at The Boxing Locker. He's got a Boxing 101 playlist that is pure gold.
Anytime you mention The Marquis, I think of The Quiet Man.....and then of course Oscar Wilde and Bosie....but...well we don't need to go there now. AMAZING VIDEO!!! This is the good stuff. As always, mom says hi and I hope you are well.
@@bugs4680 yes, of course, apologies for my initial misunderstanding. I didn't mean to be disrespectful, I just found the coincidence funny at the time.
@@EnglishMartialArts damn that must be frustrating, I'm definitely in support of you starting over though if you can manage it and I'd be happy to support your work.
That's a good question. There is something very appealing to me in the early era stage gladiators fighting multiple bouts with different weapons as well as unarmed. Stopping for drinks and food inbetween.
Just out of interest who are you writing this comment to? Do you think "the guy narrating" is an actor or something? Or do you just assume that I make make videos and don't read the comments?
Was a great downfall. Gloves, no wrestling, knockout in 10 seconds. Bareknuckle in my past. Loved to fight without this Queensburry shit. I never did it. Fight or not fight. Do it or do not.
classical pugilism ? hmmmmm...Excess postulating more like....We can abbreviate this whole video into one sentence: " Throughout history people have been punching other people in the head, and this continues to this day"- End of video.
I can't help but wonder why you might watch a video entitled "The Evolution Of Boxing" and then complain that it actually described the evolution of boxing....
Any History of Boxing that fails to mention Karate's Influence is hardly worth listening to, a Eurocentric autoeroticism.. even Russian Boxing Masters acknowledge Karates heavy contribution and even go so far as to call Karate the Root of Russian Boxing
what? please elaborate, I am really curious about this, I was well aware that KICKboxing exists because of karate, but karate influencing boxing sounds very anachronistic, so please, enlighten me.
This feels like going back to a time where it was just you sipping wine and telling stories, Oz. That was my favourite era, personally, and this definitely a return to that but with much higher production quality! I love your storytelling, and I'm really looking forward to going on this journey with you again. Fight team!
I think there may just be more of this!
I was just talking about this with someone, I'm always educating the fighters at my gym. I may be the odd one, but I find it kinda odd how many of the guys who dedicate their lives to the sport know so little about it. Then again I got this channel to thank for pointing me into the right directions.
It's amazing isn't it, people so convinced boxing is the best way of fighting that have no idea where boxing came from.
You sound intolerable.
I love this stuff.
Well that's good news!
Damn right.
Great video. I would love to hear your take on some of the classical Greek and Roman fighting styles, even if the sources are limited.
It's a fascinating subject, and I agree would make a good video!
Yes I agree. Boxing is mentioned even in the Iliad. It’s one of the oldest sports but we know so little about it
Love the fact that you addressed the George Stevenson issue, if only in passing. The December 28th 1681 issue of the Protestant Mercury is available at an online newspaper archive which you can see it for free with a seven day free trial. Sadly when I tried to link to the particular website my comment got deleted, but I'm sure you could find it with a quick search.
I disagree with some of what you're saying about ground fighting in the pre Broughton days, but I'll have to gather up my notes to back up what I'm saying, so I'll post about that later. Anyway good stuff as always.
FIGHT TEAM!
The ground fighting isn't an issue I'm willing to drop just yet, but I'm always open to hearing a coherent argument. I'll try to find the archive in question, I did have a look but it was late and I obviously missed it.
Drop me an email if you wouldn't mind, I'd love to explore some of the things you have mentioned in a little more detail. .
I enjoyed this throwback video and I have a suggestion for a parallel video to the Jack Broughton story.
Right now I’m looking at a piece of boxing memorabilia; an autographed photo card of Tommy Collins, an American featherweight boxer of the 1950s who had an impressive knockout record.
He was also the loser of the “Boston Massacre” of 1953 against lightweight Jimmy Carter. He was knocked down ten times, and so badly beaten there was an outcry for reform. At least one reform, the three knockdown rule, was put in place. I’d like to see a video from you on that fight, Tommy Collins, and the parallel evolution of rules on this side of the pond.
I love your history videos.
That's a very interesting idea for a video, thank you.
Lad to utter the word enjoyment of your presentation would be a complete understatement. Kudos and bless you and your family lad!
Thank you Fred!
Excellent presentation mate. 👊🥊
That is a very interesting topic, especially given the fact that we more or less have returned to those times form before the rules - sounds like an MMA fighter would fit those fights fairly well, if they can go on without breakes.
Doesn't it just!
Fabulous historical overview of boxing history. Great job
Excellent history of Boxing which I find it very fascinating and rich in history as a means of sports and even self protection. What I would do to go back in time to visit the Royal Theatre in London back in the late 1600's
I'd love to tine travel, but only as a tourist!
Fantastic vid of the timeline and links to the longer vids. Keep up the great work buddy! Hope you feel better soon after your disney marathon. #fightteam!
Thanks buddy!
Really nice summary, thanks so much!
Thank you!
Really enjoy these videos, mate. (Fight team, naturally.) I have a book somewhere that I can't quite recall the name of, it was something like Boxiana? In any case, it was all about pugilism, and had many incredible rundowns of classic bouts, and gives a lot of information about many of the top (and lesser well known) fighters, spanning quite a period of history.
Sounds like Boxiana by Pearce Egan. He was essentially the first sports journalist. The Folio Society published an abridged version of his work in the 70s, is yours a hardback in a box?
@@EnglishMartialArts That was it, yes! Sadly it's not a hardback, no. I took a look and yeah the paperback version is easy to come by. I guess the hardback is sought after!
@@JivecattheMagnificent the original is 4 or 5 volumes and worth its weight in gold. The 70s reprint is usually about £20 or so. Well worth getting if you see a copy.
Fantastic!
Thank you for this great overview 😀
My pleasure!
Coach can you do a video on backfists and hammerfist strikes? Those punches were wide spread at one point no? Why did they go away?
Great idea, I've got a half written script for a video along those lines somewhere...
@@EnglishMartialArts those techniques seem really useful, you could wiff a hook and come back with the hammer or back fist. On the ground in someones guard, if you apply a can opener your opponents entire face and head is vulnerable to hammerfists. I want to see more of them and i will work to use them in competition
If you take a look at the "jab" of certain boxers who used cross-armed guards like Gene Fullmer and Archie Moore, you can make an argument that the hammerfist never entirely disappeared. Then again, once your into the "dirty tactics" realm of boxing you can argue that trips, headbutts, elbows, and open hand strikes are still around too....
Thank's, love your stuff, especially history ! :)
Thank you!
Didn't make it past the intro yet, but I have high expectations, given the title.
Something I never knew I wanted!
*Fight Team*
Well I hope it meets expectations!
So far, I could use more of the lovely lovely Ludwig Von B...
@@brianknezevich9894 it is unfulfillingly short isn't it.
Great video. Thanks for this.
Thank you!
Dude I love your channel.👊 This type of pugilistic education and interesting commentary enriches my own background and understanding and is much appreciated.
I fought Original MMA in the 90's wear anything goes with 4-ounce Harbinger fingerless bag gloves were used. It was MMA but at that time you were allowed to do anything except; (fish hook, eye gouge or groin shots)... Techniques like soccer kicking or kneeing a downed fighter in the head, head slams, head butts, tailbone shots, throat shots, and many other types of potential maming techniques eventually we're removed for safety and public opinion to become a legitimate sport in the USA. I personally wanted to punch and kick on my feet or on the ground while kickboxing I looked to slow movement and while wrestling I used position to control for ground/n/pound or submission finishing.
All precursors to modern mma. 👊💀
Love it, what an interesting look at the evolution of the sport. FIGHT TEAM!
Thank you!
Awesome video, and I'd love to see a much longer, much more in-depth video on the evolution of boxing and pugilism.
It probably deserves a series really.
@@EnglishMartialArts I'd be all over it 😁
Any chance of doing a catcher can catch video
Excellent video and detective work. Fight Team!
Thank you! FIGHT TEEEEEEAAAAM!
Great video Oz! :)
Thanks Charlie!
keep up the good , I mean great work ! I look forward to every new video ! would like some coverage of highland games backhold wrestling if pos. THANKS !!!!!!!
Thank you!
To indulge my laziness and answer your previous video, this is where I'd like to see the channel go in the future. This is the kind of stuff that I personally find the most interesting (along with the tales of greatness, Smackanory, etc.) I understand that this might not be the most algorithmically rewarding type of content but it is what I'm most interested in.
As far as speaking of only English boxing I was very much reminded of dear old Cross Buttucker and his zealotry for Cumberland and Westmoreland wrestling.
Also noticed that you put the gloves on the shelf behind you for this one.
#fightteam
#bemorearmstrong
could you do a similar breakdown of catch wrestling and explain any overlap there may have been with boxing in different eras?
Great video! Thanks for the info. Fight team!
Glad you liked it!
What type of boxing do you recommend for street/self defence? Old school, modern or something else?
For self defence it's hard to say. Someone that can teach good footwork, good evasion and blocking, and focuses on the fundamentals. For now go subscribe to Matt Goddard at The Boxing Locker. He's got a Boxing 101 playlist that is pure gold.
Anytime you mention The Marquis, I think of The Quiet Man.....and then of course Oscar Wilde and Bosie....but...well we don't need to go there now.
AMAZING VIDEO!!! This is the good stuff. As always, mom says hi and I hope you are well.
Hi Fletch's mum! 👋
@@EnglishMartialArtsshe says hi haha. And to still think about doing voice over work!
Fight Team indeed!
FIGHT TEEEEEEEAAAAAAM!
Yes !!!!!
@@stephena1196 what ??? Im a huge fan bro i love the content my comment is out of excitment nothing to read into
@@bugs4680 yes, of course, apologies for my initial misunderstanding. I didn't mean to be disrespectful, I just found the coincidence funny at the time.
@@stephena1196 no problem, no worries ,no disrespect taken pal
@@bugs4680 thank you.
Awesome history lesson
Thank you!
Excellent channel.
Thank you!
FIGHT TEAM!
Great video
Thank you!
Hey Oz are you still selling your courses on classical pugilistic fighting? I'd really like to get them to start training in old time fighting.
Fingers crossed the algorithm doesn't get rid of this.
I'm not, it's a long and dull story, but I lost a domain and a lot of content. I am considering starting all over again though...
@@EnglishMartialArts damn that must be frustrating, I'm definitely in support of you starting over though if you can manage it and I'd be happy to support your work.
Good video.
FIGHT TEAM!
Thank you.
Fight Team !!!!!
Well well, it appears I am quite the early bird.
Doesn't it just!
Which era would you most like to see re-introduced to modern times?
That's a good question. There is something very appealing to me in the early era stage gladiators fighting multiple bouts with different weapons as well as unarmed. Stopping for drinks and food inbetween.
I prefer LPR era to Broughton's rules era. I mean, those mustaches 9:55 look much better than sideburns at 8:20 =)
You make a convincing argument.
@@EnglishMartialArts You can't beat the rule of the cool! =)
The first era sounded more like an early form of of mma albeit a rather dirty one. 😬
Yes, indeed.
Love your shit man!!
Thank you!
@@EnglishMartialArts keep ‘em coming brother!!i if you’re ever in LA I’ll buy you a beer!
@@anthonyventi1579 I'll hold you to that!
Early era sounds a whole lot like American rough and tumble
The anglosaxon urge to personally remove your countrymen's eyeball
Why don’t people just call it London prize rules especially if you know the term Queensbury
So these rules ruined boxing by removing wrestling and other types of combat techniques. Boxing could have been mma before mma.
You learn boxing by fighting and not by boxing
Good video but the guy narrating it,his voice is enough to send u to sleep or irratate
Just out of interest who are you writing this comment to? Do you think "the guy narrating" is an actor or something? Or do you just assume that I make make videos and don't read the comments?
Was a great downfall. Gloves, no wrestling, knockout in 10 seconds. Bareknuckle in my past. Loved to fight without this Queensburry shit. I never did it. Fight or not fight. Do it or do not.
classical pugilism ? hmmmmm...Excess postulating more like....We can abbreviate this whole video into one sentence: " Throughout history people have been punching other people in the head, and this continues to this day"- End of video.
I can't help but wonder why you might watch a video entitled "The Evolution Of Boxing" and then complain that it actually described the evolution of boxing....
Any History of Boxing that fails to mention Karate's Influence is hardly worth listening to, a Eurocentric autoeroticism.. even Russian Boxing Masters acknowledge Karates heavy contribution and even go so far as to call Karate the Root of Russian Boxing
Have you seen the name of the channel?
@@EnglishMartialArts well the English always were the masters of lying by omission
what? please elaborate, I am really curious about this, I was well aware that KICKboxing exists because of karate, but karate influencing boxing sounds very anachronistic, so please, enlighten me.