@@kazumasjourneyofsong511 Not that I'm aware of, it's an old United States Marine Corps saying. It means if you can hit/shoot them, there's a good chance they can hit you as well.
@@CannibalLecter i looked it up and it said Murphy's Law, I've heard about it but I'm more familiar with Sun Tzu because I've read a bit on his book. it just sounds like something he'd say lol
Hi, my own thoughts here. Being a practitioner of a koryu kenjutsu style, I like to offer my opinions. The guy with the white head band shows why its important to maintain a strong chudan kamae position as half the time, his opponent didn't manage to break his center when attacking and simply ended up impaling himself. A solid chudan kamae or sometimes called seigan kamae is important in kenjutsu as it forms the basis of every attack and counter. The other thing is that because this is a sparring with bokken and little protection, you can see the dynamics change dramatically as opposed to Kendo where there's protective gear, a shinai being used instead of a wooden sword, and limited areas to hit. The moves are much more conservative, there is a feeling of intensity and there is an element of what is called Ai-Uchi which means mutual killing. There were 1 or 2 moments where both swordsmen would have killed each other if it was a real duel to the death. I have to say that its definitely interesting to watch but for safety sake, I wouldn't recommend this kind of practice on a regular basis...
practicioner of mugai-ryu kenjutsu here. biggest issue here is that hes looking for the point as if it were a kendo match. his chudan kamae is strong, but in this circumstance it doesnt matter. this video more proves the idea that modern kendo is a sport, rather than a style of swordsmanship.
@@raikou889 I felt their movements were too reserved. I've never done traditional training in terms of swordsmanship but I have a general gist of some motions as I try to copy the things I've seen due to lack of being able to train in a traditional sense. I've done allot of take Kwon do though so I saw a bunch of moments where slice footwork could've come in handy
As a HEMA practitioner, I know very little about the techniques used here but I know that theses guys know what they are doing because wielding a wooden sword with that speed and control is no easy feat. In our club we spar with wooden swords due to a lack o better equipment and I know all too well how much you must trust your technique and your opponent's, and how much it can hurt if either one fails . Very cool video to watch, congratulations and hope you guys stay safe!
I will say this, you don’t usually see Wooden sword fighting, the swords they are using are called Bokken in Japanese, normally if you were to spar someone with swords both of you would use a Shinai which is the bamboo one.
@@blockhead3019 where im from, the shinai is mostly used for kendo sparring with proper kendogu. while bokken and iaito is usually for kenjutsu demonstration, sheath pratice or controlled sparring, typically for seniors who have great control over their bokken.
Consider them ignored my dude! I knew right away this was is it when i saw @0:51...he let him impale his own face trying to get that men strike. Didnt flinch kept his distance.
the guy on the left blocked the strike, thus the sword could have touched the guy sitting, but wouldn't have killed him. While the slash from the guy sitting would have killed the standing man.
to all those that are hating on this video consider they aren't wearing any protective gear, they aren't using formal kata, and for the most part they are simulating real speed. a bokken can kill just as easy as a katana in the right hands. i think they are doing an excellent job and they exercise very nice control in stopping before striking. beneficial for practice, progress and considerate of safety.
You guys are totally fantastic. Forget all of the hateful fools on here, it's wonderful to be able to see your sparring sessions, and I enjoy them. Though I practice Karate, and rarely get a chance to use a Bokken, it's both a treat and an honor to watch you do what you do.
both actually did VERY well here. I'm impressed. Close matches, realistic. Smoother than a lot that I've seen. Down side with bokken though is that each person will pull a bit differently. There were a few moves I saw where one was in a winning position, then the other adjusted and looked like he thought he won. That's why I still prefer boffers. PVC is cheap, and you can go full contact with no armor, while maintaining a good sword weight.
Im really lost I don't know where to get a good bokken to use for practice? Which ones are good for beginners and which ones are good for non-beginners?
This can only be understood by people who have trained Kendo for a long time. Both sides appear to be Kendoka, and if you look closely, a man dressed in comfortable clothes appears to be at a higher level. When the opponent's attack comes, he does not break his posture, so he stops the opponent and maintains calmness.
You know guys. Free fighting with a bokken without gear is about weapon control. 600 gramms of oak kill easily. I faught with the bokken. You all. Just talk. That's the main difference. 😎
True. Miyamoto Musashi style. Beacause free fighting with bokken = death or at least serious injuries. Oh. And you can use plastic bokkens (polypropylene) in sparring to be more agressive, because they are not that dangerous. Btw cool video. Good luck in your martial art :D
yes i agree. i am not qualified to use a bokken for this sword work yet because my one is heavier and longer (900g and 130cm) than normal. i have yet to learn control over my strikes, however the blackbelts and the sensei do this type of sparring
I do Karate and BJJ, but damn, I like swords, especially the Japanese Katana... Beautifully engineered instrument... In other words, I'll soon begin to practice Kenjutsu I hope :D
You don't have to hold back boys you don't really have to hold back that's actually incredible what you're doing with your wooden sticks swords I just wish I could have been doing stuff like that in karate and maybe dangerous but it's actually pretty unique and very very skillful 🥋👊😉👍🥋
Let me first say that I like the vid. I love seeing different styles of training. But I wonder if this and kendo really has any use. What I see here and in kendo, is that both fighters try to hit each other first. But don't try to avoid the strike that is coming in. Example: Fighter nr1 goes in for a attack. Fighter nr2 does not try to avoid, but tries to hit him faster. Resulting in the one having his arm cut off and the other one his head split open. Thats not effective swordfighting.
Because there is no point of make the fight longer than it should. Finish the fight and move on to the next opponents or die trying. The longer the fight, more energy you lose. You may win that 1 opponent but the second will kill you when you run out.
Awesome skill you guys. great way to cross sword. And i have no real criticism about your meathod, but fyi, 1:07, totally an anime parry/block. Kinda badass though, turned a friendly spar into something out of soul caliber. GO MITSURUGI! lol! great job you guys! more people need to post competant duels online
Does this mean that in real katana fight They would ALWAYS both die? Is this real discipline or what is purpose of such training with bokken? I don't know nothing about it so please tell :o
No, in daily practice, we use full gear and shinai for protection. (and it's still damn hurt) This bokken sparring is more like one time experience. As you can see, both have great control over their skill. You don't want to sparring with a newbie who can't control their sword without armor.
You can watch Kumdo performance if you want some fancy dancing. In real fight, each move count. Everytime you attack, you have a change to be counter aka be killed. You can clearly see in this video.
@micahdc I agree with robbie about one thing in particular... you don't train full contact with bokken or shinai without armor. A good strike will break bone or could kill you. So yes, unless you're wearing armor, you're not going to go full contact. If you claim to go full contact with a bokken and it just "hurts" ... you swing like a girl. If you want to go full contact with no armor... use boffers. They're cheap, safe, and realistic enough for me :)
Bokken sparring: used in Kenjutsu however some schools such as Ito Ryu emphasize cutting sensation by using Kote Armor. Okuri ashi stance: used in Kendo and Kenjutsu Kakegoe: used in kendo and Kenjutsu Fumikomi ashi:mostly kendo. Tokui Waza: mostly kendo but a bit Kenjutsu. Zanshin? Not sure if demonstrated. Ken Seme by white bandana sparrer : used both kendo and Kenjutsu. Good katate Tsuki by white bandana though a bit risky sacrificing your own center the other could have done morote Tsuki at the same time.
All depends on your control. I spar with friends and fellow students alike, and we have the restraint to fight without hurting eachother too badly or breaking our bokken. But one ultimate fact you need to face is: bokken break... best thing to do is get a thick, dense, sturdy beater to spar with, something that aint pretty but can take punishment, then have your nice, untouched bokken for kata.
No, he must defeat him until the student surpasses him. Losing to the student every time will boost their ego making them overconfident and think they are the best when they have many flaws to perfect and fix
I clicked all the accounts of people giving negative comments here.....unsurprisingly there is no evidence that these people ever picked up a sword, bokken whatever....so then please shut up!
Yeah its pretty strange, i had some vids up on another channel of my buddy and i dickin around (ha ha no pun intended) and we got harassed by teen gamers till i gave up and took it down... not one had any vids of sparring or sword play
I guess there's nothing physically stopping some from commenting on something they know nothing about, but it does get a bit obnoxious. Like watching a 300lb man who never picked up a pigskin scream insults at a highschool football game. Idk, seems like one could reserve negative judgement for things that one actually has knowledge or experience with. Like when i'm a new to welding, so i don't just go shooting off my mouth about welding, i listen to my instructor or my grandfather or who ever has the experience under belt and i don't shit all over peoples welding projects, cuz i'm just a noob too. When it comes to sword there's a bunch of people who have never picked one up commenting and its obnoxious in kind of the same way. Just a thought.
Seriously after reading the insane deplorable shit people are writing in the comments, i have to say you are my new hero for just keeping up the posts. Stay strong man no matter how many pizza faced, over weight teen gamers give you shit, don't put that fuckin bokken down!
Exactly. Too many people think what they see in "The Last Samurai" is how it actually was. They go more for entertainment than artform. This apparently did not entertain. They dont appreciate the amount of skill needed to read someone, expect a certain attack and then counter that attack while remaining calm and focused. They just like to hit each other with sticks.
I say well done, finally a good example of bokken sparring, and definitely not some unskilled trailer park people who swing sticks like the rest of the videos I've seen on RUclips.
Kim, getting quite basic now. If you hold the weapon with the right and just beyond the Tsuba, the tib should and just above the ground whilst the arm is straight hanging down. Thats the length of Bokken / Katana - as said earlier - depends on your physics and your prefferences - just check it out. Bokken should be between 500 and 700 grams to keep control.
I agree with you. Aside from some of your commas, your English is very good by the way. You could make the argument that actual sword fights where the intent is to kill or seriously injure the opponent are very rare nowadays and that the purpose of modern martial arts like this is to study the movement of the human body for personal benefit.
I mean if musashi miyamoto was fighting like this, he would not have survived all his duels. This is again not trying to insult you guys, but maybe start a discussion. I think the first thing in a swordfighters mind should be, to not get hit. A loss of a arm or even a small cut could be fatal (infection). Ofcourse hitting someone first is logical, but at expense of your arm or something else is not. Sorry for bad grammar, English is not my native language
I know that you are right, but i would like to know who told that 木刀 was bokken. It looks like everywhere outside japan bokken is used, even though bokuto is at least as easy to say.
Can somebody explain this to me? All I'm seeing is two dudes with absolutely zero defense. In every exchange, both parties would be killed or incapacitated because they're all simultaneous hits. Why is neither person putting any emphasis on proper defense?
Could be, that you have a suburi to - which is to develop force - the normal bokken is about 1 meter in lenghth (depends on your height) and dependened from the wood used it has between 500 and 750 grams.
what the fuck i don't get any of those arguments?? I was actually surprised at their skills, sparring with bogu and shinai is one thing but with bokken and almost no gear, this was a realistic fight with good self control. Respect
@kikstar45 Wel i am 15 and started practicing kendo about 3,5 months ago . Practicaly in our dojo (don't know about others) we only use our bokuto (bokken, non foam) for kata. We have 2 different dojo's in our country and I have never seen a foam bokuto. We use our shinai for sparring and our bogu, foam might be good for sparring with a friend. If that wasn't the meaning of the foam ones. I can give you one more tip : never let the tip of the sword rest on the ground will make sensei mad.
it would be technically safe to call this kendo, but with the way they are attacking and defending they are more accurately mimicking real katana techniques rather than strikes pertaining to the sport (meaning it seemed more combat oriented, less point oriented). as the top comment said, there are many ways of crossing bokken or bokkuto, it all depends on if your sensei will teach you any other arts of holding a sword. Mine is teaching me a few things i cant ever use in a match :p
Great video! You guys have really good control! This sort of sparring is more realistic IMHO then Kendo. Without a shinai/bogu. the two partners both have a very real fear of injury, and as such have to work through their body's adrenaline response in order to remain calm and collected. To the "just do kendo" folks: What they are doing here is a much older, more traditional sort of sparring. This is to kendo what Jujutsu are to Judo.
Base on your comment, i assume you have never practiced kendo or quit after few months. Good luck using bokken for Joudan or Nito. Two people in this video practiced kendo to the level that they can control the sword and stop at any point so they can use bokken as experience. I am sure they don't use bokken for daily training.
@Zuruku I only meant your video itself. I wasn't about to crtiticize your fightingstyle. I only said "if you even have a sensei", because it could be that you have no sensei anymore. I wrote it because i would insult my sensei with such vids. No matter if i'm bad as hell or a genius, that doesn't matter. "But I would friendly remind you to ask your Sensei, ..., to teach you respect.... Fuckehead" This is kinda ironic ;)
F_ _K the haters this duel was great and you guys treated the bokken like live blades. the foot work in my opinion was accurate. why do we do kendo in the first place for self perfection? maybe but in the beginning we want to kick butt and know if we can use a sword for real. please keep the videos coming.
I did "freestyle" fight with a polypropylene bokken I own, and really, it's fun, as long as you stay dynamic. This sparring isn't even good, you know why? Look, they mostly would cut each other, what is that meant for? You fight to cut your opponent without letting yourself get hit, so defend, avoid and counter! This is more of pointing at each other than a fight. EDIT: And yes, it hurts, but it's like paintball. You have to feel the pain and then you can put your heart in it to be better and not get hit, then it gets fun.
Actually, what they are doing is true to how samurai duelled. Or any true sword fighter, really. Everyone is so used to having super dramatic, intense, long fight scenes in movies that they think that's how it was like. No duel lasted more than 30 seconds to a minute. They were fighting to kill, and had extreme skill in doing so. It was not for entertainment, like the UFC or in movies. The opponents could read body language to predict an attack on them. Hakama are specifically designed to hide the feet and their movements to make it harder to read. I took a few lessons on duelling and it was all about finishing quickly and efficiently.
There are no customs attached to weapons, Sir. But it´s good to hear, that your trainers and masters have focus, that you learn the correct behaviour and the correct Kiai. Do me a favour and do not try to trade your learnings as the only truth in the world. tx. °v°
where do you train? im 15 and live on a tiny island called Grand Cayman, i hope to pick kenjutsu and iaijutsu one day, and if you're close enough might just join you guys!
@YouMayCallMeZero you are totally right, they both didn't seem to be verry skilled. I am also afraight when i have to stop right above the head of my oponent who is not wearing armor. And i am trained 3.5 months though but still. Pure technical i have seen not properly tied do an nakayui also the one in "armor" didnt keep his left leg straight and with the jump like motion(fumikomi) he landed on the tip of his foot instead of landing flat. just to conclude, this gives kendo a bad name.
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When I watch this video, all I can think of is the phrase "If the enemy is in range, so are you."
Hannibal Lecter great point, more people should read this
That's sun tzu right?
@@kazumasjourneyofsong511 Not that I'm aware of, it's an old United States Marine Corps saying. It means if you can hit/shoot them, there's a good chance they can hit you as well.
@@CannibalLecter i looked it up and it said Murphy's Law, I've heard about it but I'm more familiar with Sun Tzu because I've read a bit on his book. it just sounds like something he'd say lol
Hi, my own thoughts here. Being a practitioner of a koryu kenjutsu style, I like to offer my opinions. The guy with the white head band shows why its important to maintain a strong chudan kamae position as half the time, his opponent didn't manage to break his center when attacking and simply ended up impaling himself. A solid chudan kamae or sometimes called seigan kamae is important in kenjutsu as it forms the basis of every attack and counter. The other thing is that because this is a sparring with bokken and little protection, you can see the dynamics change dramatically as opposed to Kendo where there's protective gear, a shinai being used instead of a wooden sword, and limited areas to hit. The moves are much more conservative, there is a feeling of intensity and there is an element of what is called Ai-Uchi which means mutual killing. There were 1 or 2 moments where both swordsmen would have killed each other if it was a real duel to the death. I have to say that its definitely interesting to watch but for safety sake, I wouldn't recommend this kind of practice on a regular basis...
practicioner of mugai-ryu kenjutsu here. biggest issue here is that hes looking for the point as if it were a kendo match. his chudan kamae is strong, but in this circumstance it doesnt matter. this video more proves the idea that modern kendo is a sport, rather than a style of swordsmanship.
@@raikou889 I felt their movements were too reserved. I've never done traditional training in terms of swordsmanship but I have a general gist of some motions as I try to copy the things I've seen due to lack of being able to train in a traditional sense. I've done allot of take Kwon do though so I saw a bunch of moments where slice footwork could've come in handy
As a HEMA practitioner, I know very little about the techniques used here but I know that theses guys know what they are doing because wielding a wooden sword with that speed and control is no easy feat. In our club we spar with wooden swords due to a lack o better equipment and I know all too well how much you must trust your technique and your opponent's, and how much it can hurt if either one fails . Very cool video to watch, congratulations and hope you guys stay safe!
I will say this, you don’t usually see Wooden sword fighting, the swords they are using are called Bokken in Japanese, normally if you were to spar someone with swords both of you would use a Shinai which is the bamboo one.
Not at all. I can tell neither has been in a real fight. This is show sword play.
@@blockhead3019 where im from, the shinai is mostly used for kendo sparring with proper kendogu. while bokken and iaito is usually for kenjutsu demonstration, sheath pratice or controlled sparring, typically for seniors who have great control over their bokken.
Ignore the haters... this video was cool to watch! Thank you!
Thx man I thought it was great i just realized this was from 3 years ago
You are right bro
I agree
Consider them ignored my dude!
I knew right away this was is it when i saw @0:51...he let him impale his own face trying to get that men strike. Didnt flinch kept his distance.
I'd like to see them challenge these guys, they wouldn't last 5 seconds.
I love how one guy is wearing an awesome hakama and the other is in a skintight suit. Wtf
There’s nothing wrong with that
Skintight suit man to victory
The skin tight dude is the woke samurai
I was glad as it allowed viewers to see the footwork
Skin tight dude doing Kendo by day; at night...he fights crime with his wooden sword and skin tight outfit as Skin Tight Man 😎
0:53 holy shiat that was intense, maximum controll
00:32 "ASS!!!" ;D
ah!ah! i m scary
At 1:14 we see the historical result of real world sword fighting. Both die.
아닌데? 공격지점에 멈추는 룰이라서 머리를 맞는것으로 보이는거지, 실제로는 허리를 맞추고 한명만 이기는데?
No, both would be wearing at least leather armor on the torso, so the man in black gets his head split open.
Mike503 nope, Japanese duelling is done unarmoured.
the guy on the left blocked the strike, thus the sword could have touched the guy sitting, but wouldn't have killed him. While the slash from the guy sitting would have killed the standing man.
I know in historical rapier fencing especially it was quite common for both opponents to run each other through
Very interesting watch.
I can't imagine myself being able to spar like that with no protective gear. Heheh.
0:32 that must hurt
No he hit the tsuba
He missed.
The left once blocked well.
@@18IMAMGODINA how was you able to see that? i also thought fuck, that has to hurt, i watched the scence 5 times and i couldt see where he hit..
@@wolflarsen1900 because that is what tsuba is for ...
to all those that are hating on this video consider they aren't wearing any protective gear, they aren't using formal kata, and for the most part they are simulating real speed. a bokken can kill just as easy as a katana in the right hands. i think they are doing an excellent job and they exercise very nice control in stopping before striking. beneficial for practice, progress and considerate of safety.
No kidding ask sasaki kojiro if someone can be killed with a bokken
This is an exceptionnal display of control and mastery, intense Sanchin
You guys are totally fantastic. Forget all of the hateful fools on here, it's wonderful to be able to see your sparring sessions, and I enjoy them. Though I practice Karate, and rarely get a chance to use a Bokken, it's both a treat and an honor to watch you do what you do.
The fighters met the first time this day.
I think, it was a zero contact sparring.
°v°
So that's where my girlfriends leggings went
What??
Nice match. You're both very skilled.
Each sparring session .. you learn something new.. you from your opponent ..and he from you.OSH!
very nice control.
this was a good display of swordsmanship and respect.
~Skattosan
both actually did VERY well here. I'm impressed. Close matches, realistic. Smoother than a lot that I've seen. Down side with bokken though is that each person will pull a bit differently. There were a few moves I saw where one was in a winning position, then the other adjusted and looked like he thought he won. That's why I still prefer boffers. PVC is cheap, and you can go full contact with no armor, while maintaining a good sword weight.
Im really lost I don't know where to get a good bokken to use for practice?
Which ones are good for beginners and which ones are good for non-beginners?
Blitz sports
This can only be understood by people who have trained Kendo for a long time. Both sides appear to be Kendoka, and if you look closely, a man dressed in comfortable clothes appears to be at a higher level. When the opponent's attack comes, he does not break his posture, so he stops the opponent and maintains calmness.
You know guys. Free fighting with a bokken without gear is about weapon control. 600 gramms of oak kill easily. I faught with the bokken. You all. Just talk. That's the main difference. 😎
True. Miyamoto Musashi style.
Beacause free fighting with bokken = death or at least serious injuries.
Oh. And you can use plastic bokkens (polypropylene) in sparring to be more agressive, because they are not that dangerous.
Btw cool video. Good luck in your martial art :D
👎 this is sad
Its mind boggling the things people say on here... Keep it coming man you are awesome for putting out these vids out!
It's just that "sparring" in my language means a different thing.
Still great work.
Just no sparring here.
yes i agree. i am not qualified to use a bokken for this sword work yet because my one is heavier and longer (900g and 130cm) than normal. i have yet to learn control over my strikes, however the blackbelts and the sensei do this type of sparring
I do Karate and BJJ, but damn, I like swords, especially the Japanese Katana... Beautifully engineered instrument... In other words, I'll soon begin to practice Kenjutsu I hope :D
Bokken training was my favorite part of practicing Aikido. Man do I miss it
personally,I liked it, but the staff was the best
The good thing about wooden swords is that, unlike bamboo swords, you can practice with the same movements seriously.
This was quite good, gentlemen. Respect.
when he yelled it scared the crap out of me. lol
You don't have to hold back boys you don't really have to hold back that's actually incredible what you're doing with your wooden sticks swords I just wish I could have been doing stuff like that in karate and maybe dangerous but it's actually pretty unique and very very skillful 🥋👊😉👍🥋
You have to have trust in either your opponent or yourself that you wear that little protective gear.
I thought i was good, awesome control, I almost thought you punctured his throat, and how he almost struck your head, I like this.
Let me first say that I like the vid. I love seeing different styles of training. But I wonder if this and kendo really has any use. What I see here and in kendo, is that both fighters try to hit each other first. But don't try to avoid the strike that is coming in.
Example: Fighter nr1 goes in for a attack. Fighter nr2 does not try to avoid, but tries to hit him faster. Resulting in the one having his arm cut off and the other one his head split open. Thats not effective swordfighting.
That’s the way of Kendo. Fuels only last one or two attacks. First strike means you win.
Because there is no point of make the fight longer than it should.
Finish the fight and move on to the next opponents or die trying.
The longer the fight, more energy you lose. You may win that 1 opponent but the second will kill you when you run out.
They move so fast my eyes cant catch up
Awesome skill you guys. great way to cross sword. And i have no real criticism about your meathod, but fyi, 1:07, totally an anime parry/block. Kinda badass though, turned a friendly spar into something out of soul caliber. GO MITSURUGI! lol! great job you guys! more people need to post competant duels online
Man if I was the guy with the black headband I would be so frustrated
Does this mean that in real katana fight
They would ALWAYS both die?
Is this real discipline or what is purpose of such training with bokken? I don't know nothing about it so please tell :o
Not at all it's all about strike placement
No, in daily practice, we use full gear and shinai for protection. (and it's still damn hurt)
This bokken sparring is more like one time experience.
As you can see, both have great control over their skill.
You don't want to sparring with a newbie who can't control their sword without armor.
I don't know how a Bokken fight is supposed to be. I was hoping for more movements.
Harder than u think
Fights like these are focused on counter attacks rather than slashing and fencing all the time
You can watch Kumdo performance if you want some fancy dancing.
In real fight, each move count. Everytime you attack, you have a change to be counter aka be killed.
You can clearly see in this video.
That green effect from the begging of the video almost gave me a stroke
Holy shiat I have to watch this in slow motion
@micahdc
I agree with robbie about one thing in particular... you don't train full contact with bokken or shinai without armor. A good strike will break bone or could kill you. So yes, unless you're wearing armor, you're not going to go full contact. If you claim to go full contact with a bokken and it just "hurts" ... you swing like a girl.
If you want to go full contact with no armor... use boffers. They're cheap, safe, and realistic enough for me :)
Very nice!
Bokken sparring: used in Kenjutsu however some schools such as Ito Ryu emphasize cutting sensation by using Kote Armor.
Okuri ashi stance: used in Kendo and Kenjutsu
Kakegoe: used in kendo and Kenjutsu
Fumikomi ashi:mostly kendo.
Tokui Waza: mostly kendo but a bit Kenjutsu.
Zanshin? Not sure if demonstrated.
Ken Seme by white bandana sparrer : used both kendo and Kenjutsu.
Good katate Tsuki by white bandana though a bit risky sacrificing your own center the other could have done morote Tsuki at the same time.
Zanshin is the must in any real fight.
Any martial art have it. Kendo is just more focus than other.
All depends on your control. I spar with friends and fellow students alike, and we have the restraint to fight without hurting eachother too badly or breaking our bokken. But one ultimate fact you need to face is: bokken break... best thing to do is get a thick, dense, sturdy beater to spar with, something that aint pretty but can take punishment, then have your nice, untouched bokken for kata.
The guy on the left is the instructor, who is supposed to lose every time against a student to allow the student to learn and gain some confidence.
No, he must defeat him until the student surpasses him. Losing to the student every time will boost their ego making them overconfident and think they are the best when they have many flaws to perfect and fix
Very good on the white side. Good stances from the left
This is great. I can't see many are complaining.
I clicked all the accounts of people giving negative comments here.....unsurprisingly there is no evidence that these people ever picked up a sword, bokken whatever....so then please shut up!
Yeah its pretty strange, i had some vids up on another channel of my buddy and i dickin around (ha ha no pun intended) and we got harassed by teen gamers till i gave up and took it down... not one had any vids of sparring or sword play
You live and learn my dear.
I guess there's nothing physically stopping some from commenting on something they know nothing about, but it does get a bit obnoxious. Like watching a 300lb man who never picked up a pigskin scream insults at a highschool football game. Idk, seems like one could reserve negative judgement for things that one actually has knowledge or experience with.
Like when i'm a new to welding, so i don't just go shooting off my mouth about welding, i listen to my instructor or my grandfather or who ever has the experience under belt and i don't shit all over peoples welding projects, cuz i'm just a noob too. When it comes to sword there's a bunch of people who have never picked one up commenting and its obnoxious in kind of the same way. Just a thought.
Thank you Mr. Nixon.
Well but everobdy who is interested in kendo knows that kissaki should be in the level of the throat
@zukuru what's the bokken made of? red oak? i use my bokken for kata only. i was afraid it would break when using it to spar.
i enjoy watching this
Seriously after reading the insane deplorable shit people are writing in the comments, i have to say you are my new hero for just keeping up the posts. Stay strong man no matter how many pizza faced, over weight teen gamers give you shit, don't put that fuckin bokken down!
Exactly. Too many people think what they see in "The Last Samurai" is how it actually was. They go more for entertainment than artform. This apparently did not entertain. They dont appreciate the amount of skill needed to read someone, expect a certain attack and then counter that attack while remaining calm and focused.
They just like to hit each other with sticks.
I say well done, finally a good example of bokken sparring, and definitely not some unskilled trailer park people who swing sticks like the rest of the videos I've seen on RUclips.
Kim,
getting quite basic now.
If you hold the weapon with the right and just beyond the Tsuba, the tib should and
just above the ground whilst the arm is straight hanging down. Thats the length of Bokken / Katana - as said earlier - depends on your physics and your prefferences - just check it out. Bokken should be between 500 and 700 grams to keep control.
You know why it's called a boken? You hit someone over the head hard enough their skull will be boken in two!
Holy fuck man, That's seriously not safe.
What is the name of the style that they are using?
That was beautiful man
0:32 SPAAAAAAAAAAAST!!!
I agree with you. Aside from some of your commas, your English is very good by the way.
You could make the argument that actual sword fights where the intent is to kill or seriously injure the opponent are very rare nowadays and that the purpose of modern martial arts like this is to study the movement of the human body for personal benefit.
I mean if musashi miyamoto was fighting like this, he would not have survived all his duels. This is again not trying to insult you guys, but maybe start a discussion. I think the first thing in a swordfighters mind should be, to not get hit. A loss of a arm or even a small cut could be fatal (infection). Ofcourse hitting someone first is logical, but at expense of your arm or something else is not.
Sorry for bad grammar, English is not my native language
Or maybe.. just maybe Musashi is a overblown legend and maybe fought 5-6 actual duels in his life.
Ya, good luck with that "not get hit" philosophy.
I hear many talk about it, and as much failed when trying to use it.
Question: where did you get your bokuto?
I am Japanese.
This is not bokken.
It is bokuto.
私は日本人です。
これは木剣(ぼっけん)ではありません。
これは木刀(木刀)です。
I know that you are right, but i would like to know who told that 木刀 was bokken. It looks like everywhere outside japan bokken is used, even though bokuto is at least as easy to say.
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Can somebody explain this to me? All I'm seeing is two dudes with absolutely zero defense. In every exchange, both parties would be killed or incapacitated because they're all simultaneous hits. Why is neither person putting any emphasis on proper defense?
Could be, that you have a suburi to - which is to develop force - the normal bokken is about 1 meter in lenghth (depends on your height) and dependened from the wood used it has between 500 and 750 grams.
I wish there was some competition with this type of fight
There is it's called the kendo world championship it's really cool😁👍
That was freaking superb, excellent control
what the fuck i don't get any of those arguments?? I was actually surprised at their skills, sparring with bogu and shinai is one thing but with bokken and almost no gear, this was a realistic fight with good self control. Respect
@kikstar45
Wel i am 15 and started practicing kendo about 3,5 months ago .
Practicaly in our dojo (don't know about others) we only use our bokuto (bokken, non foam) for kata.
We have 2 different dojo's in our country and I have never seen a foam bokuto.
We use our shinai for sparring and our bogu, foam might be good for sparring with a friend.
If that wasn't the meaning of the foam ones.
I can give you one more tip : never let the tip of the sword rest on the ground will make sensei mad.
it would be technically safe to call this kendo, but with the way they are attacking and defending they are more accurately mimicking real katana techniques rather than strikes pertaining to the sport (meaning it seemed more combat oriented, less point oriented). as the top comment said, there are many ways of crossing bokken or bokkuto, it all depends on if your sensei will teach you any other arts of holding a sword. Mine is teaching me a few things i cant ever use in a match :p
This isn't shinkendo, it is spastic longsword style with bokken.
I thought dude screamed in pain from that collarbone chop 00:32
Great video!
You guys have really good control!
This sort of sparring is more realistic IMHO then Kendo.
Without a shinai/bogu. the two partners both have a very real fear of injury, and as such have to work through their body's adrenaline response in order to remain calm and collected.
To the "just do kendo" folks: What they are doing here is a much older, more traditional sort of sparring. This is to kendo what Jujutsu are to Judo.
Base on your comment, i assume you have never practiced kendo or quit after few months.
Good luck using bokken for Joudan or Nito.
Two people in this video practiced kendo to the level that they can control the sword and stop at any point so they can use bokken as experience. I am sure they don't use bokken for daily training.
Can anybody told me how much weight does that bokken contain?
Mine is 750gm or 25oz of Japanese white Oak. They will easily break bone if misused.
Heia Kim,
never seen a weapon over 4kg - how does that work ?
greetz
What martial arts are you training?
0:32 PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS
@Zuruku
I only meant your video itself. I wasn't about to crtiticize your fightingstyle.
I only said "if you even have a sensei", because it could be that you have no sensei anymore.
I wrote it because i would insult my sensei with such vids. No matter if i'm bad as hell or a genius, that doesn't matter.
"But I would friendly remind you to ask your Sensei, ..., to teach you respect.... Fuckehead"
This is kinda ironic ;)
uh... I find this too familiar with....laser.....space.... oh wait!
I’m going to say it the white head band guy was not trying fr
0:32 AAAAASSS!!
PAAAAAAASS
awesome technique!!! great control! よくやった
bokken owns shinai
great skill, esp guy with white headband
F_ _K the haters this duel was great and you guys treated the bokken like live blades. the foot work in my opinion was accurate. why do we do kendo in the first place for self perfection? maybe but in the beginning we want to kick butt and know if we can use a sword for real. please keep the videos coming.
I did "freestyle" fight with a polypropylene bokken I own, and really, it's fun, as long as you stay dynamic. This sparring isn't even good, you know why? Look, they mostly would cut each other, what is that meant for? You fight to cut your opponent without letting yourself get hit, so defend, avoid and counter! This is more of pointing at each other than a fight.
EDIT: And yes, it hurts, but it's like paintball. You have to feel the pain and then you can put your heart in it to be better and not get hit, then it gets fun.
Actually, what they are doing is true to how samurai duelled. Or any true sword fighter, really. Everyone is so used to having super dramatic, intense, long fight scenes in movies that they think that's how it was like. No duel lasted more than 30 seconds to a minute.
They were fighting to kill, and had extreme skill in doing so. It was not for entertainment, like the UFC or in movies. The opponents could read body language to predict an attack on them. Hakama are specifically designed to hide the feet and their movements to make it harder to read. I took a few lessons on duelling and it was all about finishing quickly and efficiently.
You guys are awesome. Don't let the mewling rants of the obnoxious get to you, okay?
Well done.
dont get what the fuss is about ... great control, both of you
Put them up against a long sword and they’re *long* gone lol
Put long sword again guns and they don't even have ball to show up.
There are no customs attached to weapons, Sir.
But it´s good to hear, that your trainers and
masters have focus, that you learn the correct
behaviour and the correct Kiai.
Do me a favour and do not try to trade your learnings as the only truth in the world.
tx.
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very nice! Regards from Brazil.
where do you train? im 15 and live on a tiny island called Grand Cayman, i hope to pick kenjutsu and iaijutsu one day, and if you're close enough might just join you guys!
To protect your islan?
the dude on the right is so good
great vid but the quality of the video is problematic, lots of distortion. Can you re-upload it I would really like to watch it more closely
100% looks like drills...
But awesome!
lol, that's like saying "why is there more than one sword fighting art"
They don't do kendo, because they don't want to.
@YouMayCallMeZero
you are totally right, they both didn't seem to be verry skilled.
I am also afraight when i have to stop right above the head of my oponent who is not wearing armor.
And i am trained 3.5 months though but still.
Pure technical i have seen not properly tied do an nakayui also the one in "armor" didnt keep his left leg straight and with the jump like motion(fumikomi) he landed on the tip of his foot instead of landing flat.
just to conclude, this gives kendo a bad name.
Me: uhh how?? I feel like i can defeat them
Good stuff guys.
They be dancing samba
very good.
Good way to lose an eye. I’ve seen it happen
With which eye did you see it happen?