Shelby GT500 vs Camaro ZL1 | Track Tested | Edmunds.com
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2012
- Edmunds.com compares the 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 with the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 on the test track. Watch what happens when gratuitous excess meets unwarranted exorbitance with more than 1,242 combined horsepower battling it out.
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still ZL1 for me please! any day over any mustang
Yeah you can keep your ZL1
Nobody but you wants it :)
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Dat1Nigga ZimDoe yeah but everyone but you can afford a camaro
Juan Kintana yeah but nobody but you has it
Dat1Nigga ZimDoe bitch I own one
Excellent Man! Exactly what I was thinking. It all comes down to personal choice. They are all nice and very capable. Neither one will disappoint.
When was that? What year was the GT500? Is the video of that posted on his channel?
Thanks, handn't seen that one yet. I've driven my Challenger SRT8, Mustang GT & Camaro SS/RS thru the same twisty "road course" and I'ld rank them SS, SRT8 then GT for control in the turns. The GT (manual) however was the most fun to drive when driven HARD, pitching the solid axle around the curves. Brings back memories of the old days.
These cars are so close that its in the driver's skill & knowledge of the car that makes the winner.
I binged ZL1 vs Shelby GT500 and it was the first article by Edmunds Inside Line.
i like this vid cause the tester let the numbers tell the story without alot of background dialog about the history, appearance, etc.
Where are you getting these times from?
Thanks for the tip & I will Brother.
I drive my Camaro SS on the road all the time. The twisty type of road. You know, here in Washington State, we have mountains, and back roads and it's beautiful to drive in. Speeding on regular roads is illegal, so for those saying no-one takes a ZL1 to the "track" often....same holds true for the drag strip. Both take time & expense to do. So, when I get my ZL1 and drive it to the same places I drive my SS (See my videos), it's generally curvy roads. This is where the ZL1 has the win.
Car and Driver (if you read the article..) ran 12.3, Road and Track got a 12.4 IIRC, and InsideLine just got a 12.1. MT are the only ones left yet to test the car outside of Atlanta.
Does this 2013 gt500 have the same 1-2 shift problems like the 2012's had? Sometimes it will grind completely sometimes it will grind then go in.
Also the Focus ST that's coming...so nice.
Whats the soundtrack at the very beginning ?
the video of Motor trend running an 11.6 is on their website
Jamie Furman's 06? Seriously one of the best passes ever in a Vette.
these cars are close enough where buying one would just be personal preference. im amazed at how awesome these are
By the way are thay also bringing back the iroc?
btw whats 0-60 and 1/4 mile time for the (2012) shelby gt500?
I like your way of thinking, with your intelligence/heart instead of just heart/heart :)
I see you're getting your comedy act together, when are you going on tour? :)
Thanks for the correction.
Wow! thanks I wondering why the small tire
Also, figures for both vehicles were taken from InsideLine comparison testing using the same testing procedures (distance/diameter being the same). Just so you don't think one ran on a 300 foot circle and the other a 200 foot, or one went down 8 cones at 120 feet and the other 6 at 100. They were both 6 cones at 100 feet, and a 200 foot diameter skidpad test.
Out of curiosity i searched ZL1 vs. I found videos of it on the street & at the drag strip but not at a road course. With none company ppl in them they're not doing to well in real world races. Still waiting for some GT500 videos to surface to see how it does.
GOOD POST
Anybody know what gear each car has in it?
It's Cal Speedway. He says it at the start of the video: en. wikipedia. org/wiki/ Auto_Club_Speedway
"Auto Club Speedway (formerly California Speedway) is a two-mile (3 km), low-banked, D-shaped oval superspeedway in Fontana, California which has hosted NASCAR racing annually since 1997."
"In 2001 the Auto Club Dragway, a 1/4 mile dragstrip, was built outside of the backstretch of the main speedway. That same year, the infield of the speedway was reconfigured to hold a multipurpose road course."
Where did you find those Willow Springs times? Fastlap com doesn't show them.
Looking at VIR times:
12 Camaro ZL1 is10th at 2:52:38,
13 Mustang GT500 is 21st at 2:58:00
10 Mustang GT500 is 23rd at 2:58:48
12 Mustang Boss 302 LS is 31st at 3:02:80
The 13 Camaro LE for less than $40k is said to run in less than 3:00
Gotta love the modern hp wars. All awesome cars with their own flavor. In last 2 years I've bought a new Challenger SRT8, Mustang GT & Camaro SS/RS.
Im still confused about the lap times Inside Line has on their website. It shows the Shelby was faster around Willow Springs when they tested them. Unless that's an error then the ZL1 lost at everything but like slalom & skidpad and yet they pick it as the winner???
I know I sure do...at every stop light I don't blast through when it's red because I'm trying to slow down from the last 1/4 mile run.
How many tries did it take to reach that time once? Remind me again what they would have run on the street (since that's all you care about), aka without launch control...
"To make matters worse, the understeer in the fast turns was significant, meaning I was unable to carry the speed through the important fast sections of the lap."
...Based on what numbers you've personally posted?
Glad I'm not the only one that thought "wait...your opinion is that you don't care about opinions?"
Which ones?
Inside Line test of 2011 ZO6 w/carbon package, 1/4 11.8@123. Its the lightest vette of the bunch. Haven't found where it'll trap 123-125 in its sleep yet.
@smittymp44...what video were you watching??
i looked up top speed GT500 vs zl1,and although no numbers were given,it is said that the zl1 has supercharger over heating problems.it seems that the car over heats alot.
Harder to launch? Did anyone turn on the launch control?
That's the launch control time. The first time they posted (in the sidebar of the article we are discussing) was "12.1 @ 121.2". Are you reading the article along with the rest of us? If not, why not?
you forgot the suspension from the cadillac cts with makes it another 60,000+
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Thanks. That article is hilarious (in a good way): "Entering the turns, the Shelby displays a boatload of body roll. That's not completely surprising given the GT500's humble origins, but I expected more from the Bilstein two-mode adjustable shocks, which are part of the $3495 Performance Package. The car wallows like a stuck pig and I desperately attempted to load up the outside wheels on corner entry. Despite my best efforts, I couldn't calm the Shelby to precisely attack a corner.
very well said
what i love is how both companies constantly go at it. ford came out with the 550 hp shelby, then chevy comes out with the 580 hp zl1, then a year later ford came back at chevy with 662 hp ( which is freakin crazy btw). it keeps going on and on and on, and, i like it that way :)
after looking at MT. the GT500 beats the zl1 in performance.i want to how in the hell they ended up with the same exact time?1:30.2
Hey InsideLine.. Why didnt you guys post a video of the GT500 beating the ZL1 at Willow Springs? Would that have meant forfeiting your cut of some of that $10 million that GM pulled from Facebook advertising?
I own a 2013 ZL1 and I don't know how anybody can bash either of these they're both incredible cars and have certain perks the other doesn't have
Have you figured out that the base gt500 is still getting faster numbers than a Zl1?
How many times do you really think that is when 93% of the cars are never used competitively (per SVT)?
whats the difference in handling between the 2012 ZL1 and 2013 ZL1? i ask this because MotorTrend said the 2013 GT500 had better handling than the 2012 ZL1. but according to InsideLine the 2013 ZL1 has better handling than the 2013 GT500. although MotorTrend's review looked more thorough because they put their cars on a track, not just a slalom and they said the GT500 had better balance and handling than the ZL1
Read the article(s) for the video, and you'll see the GT500 has the SVTPP/TrackPack/Recaro's. The problem is the live rear axle can't handle variable changes like the ZL1's magnetic suspension. The GT500 looked completely pushed to me, too much more steering effort and it'll start coming around.
except handling? is a dragster a better car than a ferrari 458?
Right, I get it. So where is the link to a stock Zl1 beating a shelby in a race to 60 or the 1/4 or heck 330feet?
i can believe that.i cant recall another mag.having problems with the brakes at all.
Whatever happened to these track test ?
Th epa hwy is 24, not 25. Inside Line observed "17.7 (includes 2,300-mile highway drive)" in the ZL1, and "19.9 (includes 3,269 mile highway drive)" in the GT500. for the ZL1: "Engine speed @ 70 mph (rpm) 2,000". Engine speeds are reported elsewhere for the GT500 as "roughly 1500 rpm" at 80 mph, and 1300 at 60 mph. Steep gearing is what's producing those stratospheric epa numbers.
OK, it ran 11's. Can you link me to the "Admitted ford reps were there reports" I would like to read them.
"they already tested them at VIR"
What were the times?
dude you mean to tell me that you are saying the 2013 gt500 is a 12 second car?
I remember N 08 they brought out the GT500KR kinda pissed me off when it wasn't like the Y2K SVT Cobra R. If they ever make another KR I hope the do like they did with all the Cobra R's & make it a purpose for the track muscle car. No Radio, no sound dampening equipment, no back seat, complete strut braces that replace the back seat like all the Cobra R's / Boss 302LS, Independent rear suspension, no AC, no heater, off road exhaust equipped & Recaro Race seat equipped. The Y2K Cobra R was the m
So with them both using their traction systems the Shelby ran faster right? So while they had both cars at Willow Springs the Shelby had the better time? So even though the Shelby has skinnier tires, which means a smaller contact patch, its hanging right in there. Like I said before, it'd be cool if they'd test the cars with sticky tires so they could run them flat out without traction issues.
Yeah I own a 89 305, 96z, and an 02 SS. Off the lot never had any real challenges with any mustang unless they were built. And now all of them are built. New mustangs don't scare me.
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You're right..I was looking at the RT article where he said he could only get 12.3. The fact that the article says "The $54,995 GT500 coupe turns in a 0-to-60 sprint of 3.5 seconds. Ferociously tall gearing means third gear is good for 140 mph and first gear is long enough to reach highway speeds. Even so, the quarter-mile passes in 11.8 seconds." Let's me know this isn't accurate information. Maybe you can figure out what's wrong with it...
Why are you quoting a "corrected for conditions" time, instead of an actual elapsed time?
Not a MY 2005, but they did build the 2006 C6 Z06 in '05 and started selling them in '05. The test was even done in 2005.
Inside Line ran a 12.1 @ 121.2. Why did you censor the Autoblog result?: "we managed to squeeze a 12.221 at 121 mph".
Now, Biff, I wanna make sure that we get two coats of wax this time, not just one.
That Biff, what a character. Always trying to get away with something. Been on top of Biff ever since high school.
what does the shelby gt500 lap the nurburgring in?
camaro zl1= 7:41.27
Actually it did have the results I wanted. It won everything but road course time. Oh and the better fuel economy is just a bonus. What year SuperSlow you buy?
I don't mean to be "that guy" but the ZL1 really is the clear winner as far as I can tell. The M3 FEELS like it's super nimble, and rides on rails, and turns before you're finished thinking "turn"..but the ZL1 is super nimble, and does ride on rails, and does turn before you're finished thinking about it.
I'm not talking crap about the LSx series of engines, I just want to understand(and I'm quoting GM guys about the superiority thing), why the supercharging given the displacement advantage? BTW the modular is 22 years old(1st launched in late 1990)
For comparison the ZL1 motor differs from the LS9 in some pretty important areas if you want to add more power. The ZL1 motor has cast pistons, powdered metal rods, a way smaller cam (.480/480 Lift 198/216 dur) , and a smaller 1.9 TVS blower. Both have a forged crank.
The LS9 has: Forged pistons, forged titanium rods, much bigger cam (.562/.558 and 211/230 dur) and a 2.3 TVS blower. -far more potential-
The GT500's 5.8 has forged everything. 2.3 TVS and far more power potential.
and where exactly are you getting a 5.4L engine from in a 2013 shelby? you got the engines confused between a 2012 and 2013
I wasn't just referring to just the track race at Gingerman, I was referring to the overall comparison, Automobile Magazine had to choose a race course suited to the ZL1's lack of straight line(realitively speaking) power and highlight it's prowlness in the tight stuff to allow it to not be considered an overpriced, underpowered super pony car. They played both sides and just like Road & Track would agree, going in circles is more important than going in a straight line to them.
GM and Ford took different approaches at making these cars, GM chose handling and Ford just added a ton of horsepower. ZL1 is more for the track, while the gt500 is for the drag strip. I'd love to see a full race comparison
you forgot about the magnetic ride control
Ive seen some comparissons of this new Viper with the Vette on the Speed channel. They are indeed a very close match up! But, the Vette was a more well rounded package if i remember correctly. Tho that SRT-10 was slightly faster, upon entering the higher speeds past 100mph, it loses lots of pull. Not cool considering its a v-10. That vette will put you in your seat at nearly any speed.
Is that your rationalization?
Yeah...in 2003 Ford caught up. In '98 Evan Smith ran a 12.89 in a Z/28.
Honestly I don't see a purpose for the GT500 except to keep Shelby alive. The Boss 302 has been the best Mustang for 2 years now, and that didn't change with the 2013 GT500 either. I just like that the ZL1 (for about $5k more than a 302 LS) has all the handling abilities everyone loves about the 302 LS, with all the power the GT500 has had for years.
@ 1vdn992 U can get the new 13 BOSS N that color option also with the black reflective strips.
The GT500 was not meant to compete against the likes of the Z06 or above it simply doesn't have those characteristics, modded or not. Thanks for pointing that out ;-)
In my new Car and Driver issue they do a battle between thes two superponies here are the numbers of R&T : ZL1 :0-60 4.0sec, 1/4 mile 12.30@118mph, 300ft skidpad 0.99G, 610-ft slalom 45.6mph, 2.2 mile Hot lap : 1:30.2. GT500 : 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4 mile 11.80@125mph, 300ft skidpad 1.0G 610-ft slalom : 45.9mph, 2.2 mile Hot Lap :1:30.2 (Grattan Raceway, Belding, Michigan)
The downforce helps as well on a road-course with radical elevation changes.
thats a well thought out comment.
Also, I could provide you a full list of mods on the ZL1. We can all only guess at what all it REALLY took to get the GT500 to 9.
If you watch the video, the Camaro is working a lot harder in the turns than the mustang. They didn't push the mustang to its limits. They also didn't use the launch control on the mustang during the straight line performance. The GT500 has already been tested to a positive G. I wonder if they chose not to get the track package for the GT500 either.
I figured since the ZL1 was so good on road courses and that's what matters now that there'd be some vids of them racing on a track but there's just vids of them on drag strips running 13's
no. Its actually called extended warranty and its not illegal. The reason why Ford offers a smaller 5 year 60k mile warranty is because they can. The Ford Mustang is still the best selling american muscle car brand here in the U.S. of all time.
Yes, both are compelling, I'm saving my pennies for the 2015 redesign 'Stang :)
read the article in Car and Driver, the Camaro won most every catagory
Can you provide anything that shows a STOCK Zl1 beating a STOCK shelby in race? 0-60, 1/4, etc..We have been talking about stock for stock and you post a Lingenfelter? So you have to mod a Zl1 to be faster? The ZL1 is a slower car.
You're right.
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Your violent crusade makes me curious. Has anyone, to your knowledge, ever claimed that the 2013 GT500 *isn't* quicker in the quarter-mile than the ZL1?
That just sounds cool " most powerful mass production v8 ever"
Actually, Autoblog says: "we managed to squeeze a 12.221 at 121 mph".
Advantage: ZL1.
That's why Evan Smith ran 12's in a bone stock LS1 fbod?
On concrete?
Also, I did buy my car partly because of the color. I was smart to do so seeing as how the value increased over the last 3 years because of the color. I also bought it because for a $30k SS to run dead even with $50+k GT500s, I was impressed. That and Ford was offering a V8 that made as much power as the V6 Camaro. I picked the best car available in 2009..by far.