I'm a Crystal Maiden spammer and honestly her skill build is very versatile depending on the lane. Sometimes I see myself going 1-1-2 so that I can sustain throughout the game while being VERY active in the lane without spending that much in mango/clarity. Sometimes I go 2-1-1 if I need to nuke the lane due to a very aggressive offlane that wants to shove the lane and dive. But the usual 1-2-1 is still the best when you want to be aggressive and get kills/harass a single hero
Just wanted to share my thought about these types of meta games. It is good to know which hero is the meta but I experience that if your ranking is o the low side, your play style, game reading, map awareness, and team coordination is a much much much better indicator that you will win. I recommend don’t go out of your way to try the new meta unless you want to experience it in unranked. As an example, my top fav hero is silencer and I play good with him. (110 wins- 58 loss) silencer has been down in the shitty tear so long but since I’m crusader it doesn’t really matter too much what the meta is. As long as i dont have a hard counter, i pick him and go mid lane believe it or not. this is a better strategy if your goal is climbing up the ranking ladder. just my two cents! btw great content and thanks for your work!
110-58 is a really good record. I'm surprised you're still in crusader, unless you are much lower winrate in your other characters? For me, I think the biggest difference in lower mmr is that opponents will not play for objectives at all or pressure enough when they have advantage. They also do not stop people channeling or prioritize picking off supports first. That's why I think Shaman, witch doctor, and warlock are completely busted with their scaling channel abilities that always get full value. Like you said though. You can really just spam whatever you want, because realistically your skill is a much bigger factor in the winrate, so you might as well spam whatever hero you like
Good one! I agree that low rank are solely based on your play style and consistency of your overall performance, i think meta pick is a soft word for min maxing (banning and counter pick) but honestly your performance and play style is to go for lower ranks
Silencer really ruins the enemy teamfights since many people hate bkb or defensive items in low ranks lol You are right late game decisions is what makes you win or lose in low mmr. So many throws because people force high ground
treant feels so bad to play if you have a safe lane pick that doesn't contribute in aggression. really feels like you're playing a 1v2 lane if your safelane picks some useless weak hero that provides nothing to help treant
Shadow Demon, my fave 👌. Just love purging all the carries or Bristleback... as long as a PA don't jump on me first. Never seen him in SEA pubs. I'll go as far and say I've been the only one playing him. People are really missing out! Rylai is my 2nd fave. I had one game I keep killing the enemy team with my ulti cause they can't/don't want to take me out first.
Zac is like grandmaster treant player so I think he knows better but treant its still strong in my poopy mmr. Like im not surewhen the last patch was when he was garbage tier/unplayable. The dude denies like crazy and beats the shit out of anyone in lane
no way you actually didn't read the description or actually watch the video. he said that this is tier list more on PRO SCENE rather than what works in pubs
I think that Dazzle is a good position 5 but my build is pretty "heraldish": bracer, ring of basilius, power treads, shard, shadow blade, hurricane pike, witch blade. Sometimes Manta if I need dispel. With attack speed talant Dazzle is pretty insane in team fights with his mass hex from shard.
I think we all are interested in heroes for our low mmr pubs. In this patch, I have 20/23 wins as Oracle and 0/5 wins as Crystal Maden. She has a 47% win rate at my 3500. In this video, I expected an explanation of the power of the best heroes for my future games. I love this channel, but I am very sad that this tier list is not working for me.
Keep in mind you are not pinned down when you have aghanim with Bane. Illusions will keep the target in place and you can continue to disable and de buff in the mean time
Treant is really strong but just feels really bad to play when your pos 1 picks a really weak hero that doesn't contribute anything to the aggression that treant provides.
Hookwink, Oracle, Bane, Shaman and a few others are A-B at the very least. Tier lists should really be based around pubs as literally 99.99% of people watching this content are not even playing 5 stacks, let alone at the pro level. Maybe for the next one make it pub-centric but raise heroes up from lower if they are good in a pro context rather than making it pro scene based ranking with strong pub heroes being bumped down. Just my 2 cents, great content as always.
I play io I main him. He’s really not team based it’s more on the person playing io. You have to know who to tether and who to give the attack boost to and when to tp to save or gank really really good in pubs just have to be very alert on who to tether too
I guess it's not run as a 5 at higher ranks, but where the hell is tiny? I understand it's harder to run as a 5 since you absolutely want a blink, but it's not even in your list!
Yep, you pick tiny as sup 5 in high immortal bracket is instant grief. There is much more better sup 5 hero for better functions. Tiny is sup 4 at least.
If I hadn't seen TB support played at a high lvl before I had seen it in my games, I would have thought it was grief. But at the low level they find it hard to pull off and get reported too much so the trend died down.... Please bring my mmr back to some diversity and teamwork and brain usage I can't stand it in the sewer.... waaaa
I like you, but sometimes the "oh none of you guys are ever gonna pick this" " I have seen your landing stages" gives me a bit of condescending vibe. I like everything else.
The cat had a lot of good advice in this video, very knowledgeable.
holy shit the cat cam is actually generational i hope you keep it for future vids
I liked the slow motion phoenix' fire spirits visualisation, very accurate.
I'm a Crystal Maiden spammer and honestly her skill build is very versatile depending on the lane. Sometimes I see myself going 1-1-2 so that I can sustain throughout the game while being VERY active in the lane without spending that much in mango/clarity. Sometimes I go 2-1-1 if I need to nuke the lane due to a very aggressive offlane that wants to shove the lane and dive.
But the usual 1-2-1 is still the best when you want to be aggressive and get kills/harass a single hero
Just wanted to share my thought about these types of meta games.
It is good to know which hero is the meta but I experience that if your ranking is o the low side, your play style, game reading, map awareness, and team coordination is a much much much better indicator that you will win.
I recommend don’t go out of your way to try the new meta unless you want to experience it in unranked.
As an example, my top fav hero is silencer and I play good with him. (110 wins- 58 loss) silencer has been down in the shitty tear so long but since I’m crusader it doesn’t really matter too much what the meta is. As long as i dont have a hard counter, i pick him and go mid lane believe it or not.
this is a better strategy if your goal is climbing up the ranking ladder.
just my two cents!
btw great content and thanks for your work!
Yup.. i drop around 400mmr in a few days, now i spam tide and regaining mmr ..my last 15 games with tide is 14-1,
110-58 is a really good record. I'm surprised you're still in crusader, unless you are much lower winrate in your other characters?
For me, I think the biggest difference in lower mmr is that opponents will not play for objectives at all or pressure enough when they have advantage. They also do not stop people channeling or prioritize picking off supports first. That's why I think Shaman, witch doctor, and warlock are completely busted with their scaling channel abilities that always get full value.
Like you said though. You can really just spam whatever you want, because realistically your skill is a much bigger factor in the winrate, so you might as well spam whatever hero you like
Good one! I agree that low rank are solely based on your play style and consistency of your overall performance, i think meta pick is a soft word for min maxing (banning and counter pick) but honestly your performance and play style is to go for lower ranks
Silencer really ruins the enemy teamfights since many people hate bkb or defensive items in low ranks lol
You are right late game decisions is what makes you win or lose in low mmr. So many throws because people force high ground
The heroes in the Despair list make up 95% of what I get as my 5 in high archon/low legend games.
Bane, Veno, Treant are all rated criminally low. In high MMR pubs they are some of the highest winrate/pickrate supports in the game.
treant feels so bad to play if you have a safe lane pick that doesn't contribute in aggression. really feels like you're playing a 1v2 lane if your safelane picks some useless weak hero that provides nothing to help treant
Thanks for the pro tier list, really interesting to see what they pick and how it differs from low mmr pubs. Cat is awesome
Is the cat s-tier too?
Ofcourse. All cats are S-tier
Shadow Demon, my fave 👌. Just love purging all the carries or Bristleback... as long as a PA don't jump on me first. Never seen him in SEA pubs. I'll go as far and say I've been the only one playing him. People are really missing out!
Rylai is my 2nd fave. I had one game I keep killing the enemy team with my ulti cause they can't/don't want to take me out first.
Sir, could you share these hero layouts?
Perfect commercial break for the phoenix fire spirit bit 👌
Yooooooooo cat cam is crazyyy
Been loving techies when my WD gets banned. WD still owns at my rank (Crusader).
Thanks for dropping this, now crownfall will surely release
Why is lich in despair?
No way treant is dispair tier and no way oracle (top 3 highest winrate in pubs) C tier
Zac is like grandmaster treant player so I think he knows better but treant its still strong in my poopy mmr. Like im not surewhen the last patch was when he was garbage tier/unplayable. The dude denies like crazy and beats the shit out of anyone in lane
no way you actually didn't read the description or actually watch the video. he said that this is tier list more on PRO SCENE rather than what works in pubs
I still quite like Hoodwink 5, the acorn slow and damage with blight can stop dives and bushwhack if you or carry needs to try dodge into trees
You didnt explain enough about mirana. I felt useless in my recent games. Really need stun setup or you have to get atos after arcane.
Brooo you are casting i didnt know that. Saw you on a higlights video. Awesome!
I think that Dazzle is a good position 5 but my build is pretty "heraldish": bracer, ring of basilius, power treads, shard, shadow blade, hurricane pike, witch blade. Sometimes Manta if I need dispel. With attack speed talant Dazzle is pretty insane in team fights with his mass hex from shard.
I think we all are interested in heroes for our low mmr pubs. In this patch, I have 20/23 wins as Oracle and 0/5 wins as Crystal Maden. She has a 47% win rate at my 3500. In this video, I expected an explanation of the power of the best heroes for my future games. I love this channel, but I am very sad that this tier list is not working for me.
Keep in mind you are not pinned down when you have aghanim with Bane. Illusions will keep the target in place and you can continue to disable and de buff in the mean time
ey bro, please, make a tier list of heroes for every position in game but for HERALDS players. Thank you!
Right in time for the next patch to hit 😂
Just hen ZQ release tier list, 7.35d came haha
I would LOVE if they included Diablo II Expansion characters...
Treant is really strong but just feels really bad to play when your pos 1 picks a really weak hero that doesn't contribute anything to the aggression that treant provides.
Hookwink, Oracle, Bane, Shaman and a few others are A-B at the very least. Tier lists should really be based around pubs as literally 99.99% of people watching this content are not even playing 5 stacks, let alone at the pro level. Maybe for the next one make it pub-centric but raise heroes up from lower if they are good in a pro context rather than making it pro scene based ranking with strong pub heroes being bumped down.
Just my 2 cents, great content as always.
I play io I main him. He’s really not team based it’s more on the person playing io. You have to know who to tether and who to give the attack boost to and when to tp to save or gank really really good in pubs just have to be very alert on who to tether too
Earth spirit is not even in the list :( love this guy
Warlock is so good. But after laning stage you need the team to fight. Or he feels kinda useless
Ouch, rip this video. Hello 7.35d
i think mirana is a better pos 4.. felt awkward as 5 for me in the laning phase specifically.
Hoodwink was highly contested at esl 😢 why despair you can get great cc with bushwhack
Hoodwink 4 is great! Hoodwink 5 is :( because it will shove out lanes non-stop and won't be able to get the gold that Hoodwink wants for scaling
Can we please have a camera at cat's nose level? Cats make video ranges on youtube!
IO main, solo queue spammer, i feel that IO section, I am always shocked if it is dual picked or banned early
I find CM hard to play in pubs (second -legend rank). She is very squishy....
Wow, new vid.
I leave dota for a year and now somehow TB is a top tier support. What the fuck happened!
Come back to find out
His Q has been buffed to hell and back. Plus he has like 9 armor in lane. Very hard to lose lane.
No invoker? Smh
bounty hunter?
I guess it's not run as a 5 at higher ranks, but where the hell is tiny? I understand it's harder to run as a 5 since you absolutely want a blink, but it's not even in your list!
Yep, you pick tiny as sup 5 in high immortal bracket is instant grief. There is much more better sup 5 hero for better functions. Tiny is sup 4 at least.
Any hero that relies on something like a hard blink timing to have game impact: especially early? Really difficult to play as 5
@@bluejay7058 understood, but it not being in the list anywhere isn't fair imo
Really sad to see Jakiro d tier
If I hadn't seen TB support played at a high lvl before I had seen it in my games, I would have thought it was grief. But at the low level they find it hard to pull off and get reported too much so the trend died down.... Please bring my mmr back to some diversity and teamwork and brain usage I can't stand it in the sewer.... waaaa
lol abaddon despair if you only knew
I like you, but sometimes the "oh none of you guys are ever gonna pick this" " I have seen your landing stages" gives me a bit of condescending vibe. I like everything else.