I think the most promising aspect of Standalone is the option to run multi output playback with MIDI etc live on stage without the need for a laptop. With the amount of artists that use backing tracks and MIDI automation in their live set, it’s insane how few options there are that don’t require a laptop. For backing tracks alone, if you want more than 2 or 3 channels you’ve basically just got the new SPD-SX PRO but it won’t send MIDI out to change keyboard patches or FX pedals so you need a separate controller for that. Ableton s capability reigns supreme but needing to run two MacBooks on redundancy, taking into account overheating potential during hot festival sets, and in turn the requirement for a dedicated playback engineer to come on the road with you is something the market is just begging to fix.
Hey! Thanks for your comment. I get what your saying, having the laptop is just very convenient for making changes in real time. I run Live show and doing playback for bands and have worked with all sorts of equipment and having a laptop is by far the as option with a playaudio12 interface :)
If you already own a Push 2 (like I do) then I would say sit on it. It is a fantastic Ableton controller and the investment (950 euro) for a Push 3 controller is too steep IMO to be worth the extras it offers over the Push 2. If you don't own a controller for Ableton then I would definitely consider it though. The Push 3 standalone (1900 euro) definitely has potential but atm it needs more cooking.
Hey thanks for the comment! I agree with you, if you already have an audio interface, and have your MIDI and CV I/O sorted then the Push 2 is an absolute steal! I also did a video comparing the the Push 2 and 3 side by side, would love to know what you think of that video! ruclips.net/video/0N0Be957RUA/видео.htmlsi=syotQI-APzkyDDOV
I’ll get the controller for now and when the Push 4 comes out with all the things the Push 3 is missing (esp the arranger mode and longer battery life) I’ll get it but right now I don’t think it’s fully there
Hey! I haven’t had much experience with the Octatrack, but I have spent a lot of time with the RYTM. I found the Elektron workflow to be quite steep at first, making it hard to grasp everything initially. However, these machines are amazingly powerful, and once you overcome the initial learning curve, the possibilities are endless. On the other hand, I found the Push 3 very easy to “pick up and play,” and I don’t feel that this limits the possibilities either. It all depends on what suits you best. My best advice would be to go to a store that has the Octatrack and try it out. It’s great, but not for everyone.
@@pushpatterns oh, I should’ve clarified: I’ve owned an Octatrack before. Learned it pretty quick. Came from eurorack before that. Was simply wondering if Push can be as immediate as an Elektron box aaand as fun.
@@TheGoldenWreath Ah ok! I find it just as fun :) but feel they are both different beasts. I generally find things a lot easier and quicker on the Push as I'm used to Ableton Lives workflow.
@@pushpatterns thanks for all your feedback, partner. I’m looking for the one box that does most all I need. Considering : octa , op1 field , or push 3. I like harsh noise, experimental noise, and idm and would like the freedom to do them all on said box. I think op1 fails at idm. The endless search …
Man I wish I could give you the right answer but unfortunately there is no right answer lol The search is endless! I think if you are a Live user you would really like the Push 3 workflow tho. :)
If you want to play in a work space while drinking a chai latte, then get the standalone. If you just want to impress your cat at home, then get the controller version
@@pushpatterns THERE’S NO ANALOG FILTERS AND AD/DA CONVERTERS INSIDE THE UNIT FOR 2K THAT’S ROBBERY. I HELP DO TESTING FOR ABLETON AND WROTE TO THEM ABOUT IT. THERE WAS ALREADY BASICALLY DONE WITH CREATING PUSH 3 AT THIS POINT. ABLETON ALREADY SPOKE ON NOT MAKING A NEW PUSH FOR A LONGTIME. I THINK THATS EVERY EVIL OF THEM ITS PUSH 3 IS NOT AHEAD OF ITS TIME.
I think the most promising aspect of Standalone is the option to run multi output playback with MIDI etc live on stage without the need for a laptop. With the amount of artists that use backing tracks and MIDI automation in their live set, it’s insane how few options there are that don’t require a laptop. For backing tracks alone, if you want more than 2 or 3 channels you’ve basically just got the new SPD-SX PRO but it won’t send MIDI out to change keyboard patches or FX pedals so you need a separate controller for that. Ableton s capability reigns supreme but needing to run two MacBooks on redundancy, taking into account overheating potential during hot festival sets, and in turn the requirement for a dedicated playback engineer to come on the road with you is something the market is just begging to fix.
Hey! Thanks for your comment. I get what your saying, having the laptop is just very convenient for making changes in real time. I run Live show and doing playback for bands and have worked with all sorts of equipment and having a laptop is by far the as option with a playaudio12 interface :)
Nice genelecs bruv Big ups. Looking forward to watching the video in a sec.
Thanks! They are great, very honest sounding!
If you already own a Push 2 (like I do) then I would say sit on it. It is a fantastic Ableton controller and the investment (950 euro) for a Push 3 controller is too steep IMO to be worth the extras it offers over the Push 2. If you don't own a controller for Ableton then I would definitely consider it though. The Push 3 standalone (1900 euro) definitely has potential but atm it needs more cooking.
Hey thanks for the comment! I agree with you, if you already have an audio interface, and have your MIDI and CV I/O sorted then the Push 2 is an absolute steal! I also did a video comparing the the Push 2 and 3 side by side, would love to know what you think of that video! ruclips.net/video/0N0Be957RUA/видео.htmlsi=syotQI-APzkyDDOV
Push 2 is a beast
I agree :)
I’ll get the controller for now and when the Push 4 comes out with all the things the Push 3 is missing (esp the arranger mode and longer battery life) I’ll get it but right now I don’t think it’s fully there
Good choice, and if the Push 4 doesn’t come anytime soon you can always upgrade later!
Have you ever used an Octatrack before? If so, would love your comparison opinion between the two.
Hey! I haven’t had much experience with the Octatrack, but I have spent a lot of time with the RYTM. I found the Elektron workflow to be quite steep at first, making it hard to grasp everything initially. However, these machines are amazingly powerful, and once you overcome the initial learning curve, the possibilities are endless. On the other hand, I found the Push 3 very easy to “pick up and play,” and I don’t feel that this limits the possibilities either. It all depends on what suits you best. My best advice would be to go to a store that has the Octatrack and try it out. It’s great, but not for everyone.
@@pushpatterns oh, I should’ve clarified: I’ve owned an Octatrack before. Learned it pretty quick. Came from eurorack before that.
Was simply wondering if Push can be as immediate as an Elektron box aaand as fun.
@@TheGoldenWreath Ah ok! I find it just as fun :) but feel they are both different beasts. I generally find things a lot easier and quicker on the Push as I'm used to Ableton Lives workflow.
@@pushpatterns thanks for all your feedback, partner. I’m looking for the one box that does most all I need. Considering : octa , op1 field , or push 3. I like harsh noise, experimental noise, and idm and would like the freedom to do them all on said box. I think op1 fails at idm.
The endless search …
Man I wish I could give you the right answer but unfortunately there is no right answer lol The search is endless! I think if you are a Live user you would really like the Push 3 workflow tho. :)
If you want to play in a work space while drinking a chai latte, then get the standalone. If you just want to impress your cat at home, then get the controller version
This is the best way to sum it up! 😀
with the controller version, is there an internal battery or does it always need to be powered by cable?
Hey! Unfortunately, the controller version doesn't have a battery, so yes, it will need to be powered.
@@pushpatterns thank you 🙏🏼
No problem
Should i buy the controller version of push 3 or not? i have ableton 12 standard and no ableton controller.
I think it is a great idea, and then you can always upgrade to the stand-alone at a later date!
ITS NOT ANALOG. THATS MAKES ME ANGRY ABOUT IT.
What do you mean? In what way could it be analog?
@@pushpatterns THERE’S NO ANALOG FILTERS AND AD/DA CONVERTERS INSIDE THE UNIT FOR 2K THAT’S ROBBERY. I HELP DO TESTING FOR ABLETON AND WROTE TO THEM ABOUT IT. THERE WAS ALREADY BASICALLY DONE WITH CREATING PUSH 3 AT THIS POINT. ABLETON ALREADY SPOKE ON NOT MAKING A NEW PUSH FOR A LONGTIME. I THINK THATS EVERY EVIL OF THEM ITS PUSH 3 IS NOT AHEAD OF ITS TIME.
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