Crazy $500,000 Richard Mille For Just $1,500 | Watchfinder & Co.
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- In March of 2017, at a Christie’s auction in Dubai, a Richard Mille RM 012 sold, with fees, for over half a million dollars. The 2006 watch, replete with its signature tonneau case and skeletonised tourbillon movement, smashed the estimate and became a benchmark for Richard Mille’s status as a collector’s brand. All very well for the lucky few with a half-mill to spend, but what about the rest of us who only have a fraction of that? Well, that same year marked the founding of Zeroo Time, a Japanese outfit that decided to offer 80% of the experience of that RM 012 for well under a percent of the price. Have they succeeded?
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Richard Mille are the NFTs of the watch world. Expensive and nobody sees the point.
I have a feeling when the ultra rich that collects these watches also realizes this, there are going to be great losses and RM's will be the next Franck Muller.
@@stemikger What happened to Frank Muller?
Fit for cereal packets..bath time coming
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 if there is a brand that doesn't need to fake those things is RM... I mean, for those prices they could literally use whatever there is and still make huge profits
It's kind of a shame, because everything I've read says that RM's technical specs are legitimately terrific. Too bad the overall design is gaudy as hell (no wonder actors and pro athletes love them) and the finishing tends to look like something that would get rejected on a quality control inspection of a Seiko 5.
The really interesting thing about this is how the build quality actually looks better than your close-ups of the $1 million RM with all it’s dinged up flathead screws and tooling marks.
exactly, RMs manufacturing cost might not exceed this watch's
Fun fact: Even if you sold both your kidneys you wouldn't have enough money to buy an RM, each kidney is worth around 35k, at most you can buy a nice 18karat day date
I have a guy offering me 300k for one of my livers. I’m seriously considering it. 🤔
@@treedillinger5801 you have more than one liver?
@@brien1254 wait, what? …so you’re saying this guy is trying to rip me off?? 😳🤬
@@treedillinger5801 human liver is cutted in a required size (mostly half) and then transplanted to the other body,that's how liver transplant works if you donate your whole liver you would die
Man. You guys are slow. This is no fun 😐
I’m actually impressed with the finish. It looks pretty clean.
Normally open work dials and movements from anywhere make me nervous to be as everything is on display and you will eventually find a fault but damn this one looks clean!
Yeah, the finishing looked surprisingly okay on everything except for the tourbillon itself, for obvious reasons (finishing the parts of a tourbillon must be notoriously difficult).
Looks as good as many seen at that magnification! Imagine it finished at much higher spec for say 10-15k, would still be amazing value!
I saw burrs and rolled edges. Machinist experience seeing that. It's what you get from China. More expensive watch won't have those defects
Same defects and rolled edges you find in a Richard Mille.
The biggest selling point to this is the fact it’s a genuine brand not a fake… and as such Zero should be applauded at trying to make these engineering wonders available to people who still need their internal organs.
If the ever make a Patek-philippe type torbilliin … I’ll get one in a heartbeat.
Mine not someone else’s…!
it costs very little to make a watch nowadays. you use a CAD controlled laser cutter to make the tonneau case. then assemble using a stock movement and other parts. it would cost less than US$1000 to make the RM-012 in platinum and with all the fancy amenities
They do have a double tourbillon.
@@redcapitalist platinum is over $1k an ounce. You aren't making a platinum watch for $1k.
@@redcapitalist Are you aware of how rare and expensive platinum is? A rose gold AP Royal Oak chronograph with a rubber strap weighs approximately 160 grams. Platinum weighs more than AP’s rose gold, so we’ll assume the RM-12 weighs 160 grams. At $1,000 per ounce, you’re looking at approximately 5.5 ounces of platinum, or at least $5,500. Add in all the other stuff and you’re looking at way more than $1,000. Also, you’re presupposing the person who did all of this work also knows how to assemble a watch and get everything to work. Lastly, if you assume that Richard Mille is simply ripping off their customers by charging what they do for their watches, you don’t understand anything about the brand such as who founded it, what technological advancements they’ve made, what contributions they’ve made towards horology, etc. I don’t like RM’s designs but game recognize game.
@@omg_stoppit you don't understand jack about horology or technology. mechanical watches are obsolete technology. only stupid people like you would think that machine made mechanical watches are worth anything. rolex makes a million of them per annum - they are worthless, easy to make and technologically backward. now if you're going to sit there and try and argue that richard mille contributed something to horology by making a stock watch with oversized buttons, then sit there and go down with the rest of western civilization. because with that kind of debaucherous consumerist mindset, that's where you guys are headed
Seeing this makes me so happy. First a Sugess tourbillion and now this. We are extremely lucky to live in a time where we can enjoy these type of timepiece at this price point.
How's the feel having a sugess turbillon ?
@@potatojuice7718 well it does look good but I still prefer my seagull 1963, can't beat that value
This video made me smile from start to finish. Such a compelling watch! Keep up the great content.
You have absolutely crushed it in this review! It’s exactly what many of your viewers and watch fans want to see and what the high end brands want to keep hidden.
Oh cmon high end companies don’t care.. you don’t understand the sphere of people buying Richard miles.
@@EternalInfusion exactly. nobody buying a Mille cares about it. They want the RM. Thats the appeal.
A while ago I thought you guys changed your style, but you only made it better thank you keep going strong!
Honestly, even if I had the money to buy a RM, id buy this over a RM anyday, much more aesthetically appealing to me and extremely cheap. Amazing piece
buying a richard mille is not about the watch, it's about telling people you have money to burn. that's why the most crass people in the world own them - pharrell williams et al. you know what i'm talking about
No! Enlighten us
Agreed, they are for people that have something to prove.
100%. Its utter crap...from finishing to all the outsourced and machined parts with piss poor finishing under macro.
But RM is a genius in target marketing...those who want to flex cost ..basically advertising they got $$ to pay for 💩 and don't care.
True, but there are a few respectable people who own them too like Rafael Nadal. And to be honest, Pharrell seems like a cool guy, I wouldn't put him in that crowd.
@@RadDadisRad To prove that they rather buy a RM for themselves than to share the money they
spend on this watch with the less fortunate on this Earth
Frankly, no RM deserves to cost more than that anyways.
It's actually a lot nicer looking and more readable than most RMs though.
That was funny. I do like classic tonneau shaped watches, but RM is always a divisive topic. Advocates say that the material is fantastic and the finish impeccable, but still, they do look like toys. If you think about it, the last brand that went all in on this case format was Frank Muller, and it seems to have gone downhill.
@@anthonystewart677, Most certainly more readable than any of their limited editions, where you literally cannot see the hands, as they get lost in all the crazy colour on the dial.
@@NatiiixLP Yeah, I imagine they give you that Wall-Eye vision if trying to focus for too long.
@@juniorgallo8786 lots of RM are made out of plastic. Some rich people just like to buy things Because they are expensive and not because they are worth it and then try to justify it.
I have never loved RMs, but something about this watch is actually beautiful. AND it's more affordable?? Amazing
I think it’s RMs insane pricing that tends to turn people off given what the watch offers. If RMs were priced in the 20-40k range there would be a very different feeling in the watch community about the brand.
@@Itssconnorr Not only, its kind of a Love it or hate it Watch, personally i've seen some at a dealer, can't say i was really impressed, not a fan of the design, but thats to each its own preference
I love the RM but I hate it's price
Actually a reasonable price. A $500,000 watch is an embarrassment that I would be incredibly ashamed of.
You and me are not there target, there plenty of watches with this kind of price that are sold to rich people
nobody expects a pissrandom to purchase a 500k watch anyway, they are not made and then sold, they are only made because the manufacturer already knows someone rich enough whos going to buy it
I know a guy who paid $150,000 for a waterfall resin dining-room table that took 2 guys 2 days to pour.
My point is, a fool and his money are easily parted. Like red-cap Republicans... they'll buy gaudyAF Pedo-FILAs, they'll buy tRump flavored Odor Toilet, they'll buy worthless NFT's and they'll buy tRump stocks that are essentially worthless. Richard Melle has no trouble finding rubes.
I was all in buying this watch at 1500, went to site, 2 months later its almost double in price
I saw that too
did you buy it yet??
More of these type of "Reasonably Affordable " watch reviews please. Well Done!
This is the best watch info channel...just putting us new watch lovers onto the best and unique watches out there
This looks insane tbh. I went to their website and they have this one in red and black. One of the cleanest looking pieces I’ve seen at that price point
Love your reviews of watches like this
So interesting! How have I never heard of this brand?! Thanks for this video!
Not my cup of tea, but this makes far more sense than those really-expensive-but-look-really-cheap Richard M's!!
Interesting video thank you Andrew 👍👍
This is the equivalent of putting a body kit on a Honda Civic and trying to pass it off as a Ferrari. It may look like a Ferrari but it isn't. This is no different than homage Rolex and Omega watches. The homage is never as good as the real thing.
@@almac9203 agreed. 👍
@@almac9203 A Honda Civic is closer to a Ferrari than this thing is to a Richard Mille. Honda are actually full of brilliant engineers, and demand more respect than a homage of any kind.
A Honda Civic is also better finished than this heap of cheap chinese parts.
@@amundbjerve That's my problem, I'm actually in the market for a tourbillon but, this is way to homag'ie for me. I wish they did all of this but, with their own case style.
@@riothero313 Ik Aventi has a tourbillon with their own style. Not everyone’s style but I recommend you check them out
Great review! Love the details
Great discovery!
Thanks for sharing.
Whether you like the watch or not the very fact that it's possible at this price is remarkable and to be applauded.
Possible to make? It’s possible to make money selling at a fraction of the cost. Watches ur buying a brand not a product bud
Mine just arrived in Singapore. It's a beautiful piece - lightweight and wears very comfortably. The movement is fantastic and it was simple to fit with the tools included. Packaging is also very well put together. As for the price, I am very happy with it. I purchased the steel case in green.
Where did u byut if from?
Are you able to share how you purchase them? Bcos the website is all in Japanese words
Yo bro how u buy it and how much u pay??
@@TheWongsk What is "bcos"?
Bro how to get the watch ?
I like this watch
I loved the review and appreciate the time it took to produce this video
Thank you
Your first vids were so serious, then I heard your podcast and I realised how funny you are. I hear those hints in this video too. There is a magnification effect on little witty humerous comments withing these serious and informative vids. keep it up :D
Today's price is closer to $2,500. Interesting for sure. If I could see it in person, feel it touch it, I'd definitely consider adding this to my collection. It looks super interesting. I don't have any tourbillon's, would love to have one.
Dont
Where did that 15 hundred dollars price come from? It's listed at 298,000 yen which is like 2629.61 dollars at today's price. Not even in the same ballpark.
Indiegogo shows it at $1600 (¥178,800) as part of a 40% off pre-sale.
@@epbrown01 is this is an official website?
@@sjj7449 Looks like it - they reference the video here weeks before it dropped.
At some point, I'd really like to buy a tourbillon watch, and there are two that I am looking really hard at. One of them is this one, and the other is the Xeric Halograph Tourbillon. I'd also like to say that Zeroo makes some surprisingly pretty watches for their price point.
I’m sure someone already asked, but, which camera gear do you use? Thanks!
Looks good,I do love the style Glad to see it's not a fake RM I has it's own style and being assembled in Japan is a plus
We need more companies like this. Mimicking the look of the pricey ones but just with more affordable materials and motions. Would help so much
Homage watches…
bro never heard about homage watches
Que marca es ⁉️⁉️⁉️
Stunning, clean, reliable Japanese movement and affordable.
how long are the straps? the brand owner said that the max wrist size is 195mm but that seems smaller than average for brands. Usually my big wrists (216mm) can still get the last hole in straps.
I'll be honest, I like this more than the rm12 in most ways. The case design is to me far superior. The use of more saphire on the sides and holes in the "chin" and "forehead" really help visually lighten it, but of course the movment of the rm looks cooler with the struts and three dementonality.
I feel the only things it'd take to make this watch perfect for the price would be a noncircular movement and a smaller crown or even one that can collapse down into the side of the case to really focus on the shape of the watch and make it look more balanced.
This is what poor people say when buying a Honda instead of a Mercedes
@@ultimatedouchebag6760 Are you rich? It looks way better than a Richard Mille, also Honda owners know that Mercedes is way better but a Richard Mille isn't better than this Zeroo T4.
@@citer5574 Define RICH. I buy what i want in life....if i cannot afford it then i dont buy it. if you are planning to buy an Eclass at MBZ and end up walking out with an Aclass then kick yourself in the nutts. same logic apply to Honda if you leave without the car you want, but dont be clowning another brand to justified that you are broke.
@@ultimatedouchebag6760 You called his opinion the opinion of a poor person, so can you afford a Richard Mille if you call him poor? Also your comparison makes no sense because no one is gonna say that a Honda is better than a Mercedes.
You know what... I actually like this watch more than ANY Richard Mille 🤔
same haha,it looks more stylish and less screamish
Absolutely
of course you it’s what your bank account can afford
good video. The 80/20 understanding does explain a lot.
I've seen one made out of Damascus steel and that looks amazing.
Where could you find this watch for the price mentioned? The only option I have found is from the official store for more than $2600 before the import taxes
I have exactly the same question!
They were available on their indiegogo campaign which closed in December. Shipping in April so maybe check secondhand markets in april.
There are already some homages for RM. Zerotime watches seems to run some crowdfunding campaigns to finance production of their pieces in China, so basically you have a watch that is potentially non serviceable, a unnecessary risk. For the price you can get a good watch that's not trying to be something it's not.
Agree. Homages are fine for $100-$150 - (own 2 since Rolex refuses my money) north of that you can get some solid microbrands.
@@WestCoastAce27 Sure, for 1500 quids you can even get yourself traditional swiss brand watch with a good serviceable movement like a hamilton or a tissot, watches that will outlast you if good care is taken. Cheers, mate.
@@juniorgallo8786 👍 Tissot was my 1st ‘real’ watch. And looking at the Hamilton chrono right now.
@@WestCoastAce27 I'm fond of Tissot. Generally speaking they're great watches for the price these days. I have a neovintage (I mean, almost 20 years) heritage porto 1925 in solid gold, tonneau shaped case and Peseux 7001 hand winding movement, small seconds. It's not a super hot watch for the market but it's so simple and beautiful and accurate. But it's from 2002-2003 when gold was cheaper, good movements were easier to source and good automatic watches were attainable for a middle-class worker.They didn't spare on gold back then, it's a heavy case. I wouldn't have the funds to pay for an equivalent in covid/shortage/expensivegold 2021 that's for sure. Thans for the feedback, man. Nice to talk.
@@juniorgallo8786 Tissot?!! I fall asleep just saying that name!!! 😂 I dunno…$1500 seems like hardly anything to pay for a watch like this, but you go on being you and enjoy your ‘safe’, ‘reliable’…and boring AF Tissot!
Insane! Great job! Thank you.
Thanks watchfinder for highlighting this. I'm struggling to find the piece at the $1,500 price in this video, though. The website price is upwards of $2,000.
They are selling from $1500 in their Indiegogo campaign
I laughed pretty hard when he said "no hope"
Dear Sir.
Now it cost 3000$ the double of you said. 😢
Where could I find it for 1500$?
Do you have the lifestyle that is fitting of a $500k watch? Don't you think it looks odd to get off the bus sporting a RM watch? Just be honest and get a Tissot. No need to pretend to be something you aren't. A real Tissot is better than a fake RM or Patek or Rolex. If you ever a real RM everyone would assume it is fake because it would defy belief that you could afford one.
Check out their Indegogo campaign which is $1600 now
@@almac9203 do you feel better now? Mind your own business 🤣
@@almac9203 What you said has no sense, this isn't a replica, not even an homage. And if it is a homage, what's the matter? The watch looks way better than a boring Tissot.
@@federicoparis9523 what do you mean it's not an homage? It is clearly a rip off of the Richard Mille.
Great review!
Great content 👍
Thanks for bringing this to us! I've been scouring the web looking for an affordable openworked watch!
I am very impressed! I never liked RM, because the price is crazy, but for this price I really like it! :)
I love how these videos are written. It's just velvet to the ears.
Thanks for posting. Please do a video on a Daniel Wellington watch! 😂
Crazy that this watch is now around 2000-3000 dollars. Good Investment for those who bought this watch when this video uploaded when it was 1500 only. I am late. 😩
$1500 is more than what a RM should actually cost
Whats the Caliber accuracy on this watch?
where to purchase?
I am a huge fan of the automatic movement. I have two Rolex Submariners. On my 16613 I had a clear case back made so I can view the 3135 whenever I want. I love this "skeleton" style watch but could never afford a real RM. I may look into this one from Zero Time. It's very relaxing to just watch all the tiny parts moving.
You do the exact opposite of what a true rolex lover would. Now thats no longer a true oyster case or a true diver
Next video: The Watch Rolex Don't Want You To Know About - Invicta ProDiver😱
Do you charge vat or waive it for international watches buyer. Like duty free shops ?
Got me interested... thanks for the video!
I can't believe that I actually like the look of this watch. But perhaps I have dismissed RM for their price, not the their aesthetics. Hmmm.
I could be tempted by this Zero Time piece.
I'd love to see a video comparing tradicional entry Swiss "homages" to the real deal, like the Tissot Prx Powermatic 80. I think a traditional Swiss Brand however entry level could possibly have great finishing compared to the Zero. :)
Why have yours in the video not the text imprinted on the "dial", like the ones i can find online(? If someone can tell me where i can buy the "cleaner version" please let me know!👌
They are selling from $1500 in their Indiegogo campaign
Ordered one a few days ago, Thanks for your Video and excessive close up shots that sealed the deal. 👍👍
hows the watch??
@@Mysteryboy0007 Love it,. Zero Complaints. well one tiny one, the replacement bands are expensive to have a 2nd color option, and for the Yellow Bands i got as spares they require some special attention to prevent them getting dirty. Tho this isn't a daily driver for me either way so not too bad. I wouldn't hesitate to order another.
i'd wear this watch with pride.
and even if i were very rich and wanted to spend 1/2 a Mill on a watch?. i would never buy a RM.
Thank you great episode.
For me, this just proves to me at least that an RM is really a $1,500 watch minus the crazy hype.
Indeigogo $1600 now
I bet it does not have the shock resistance of the RM. You can wear the RM to play tennis without worrying the parts will fall apart. The effort is in their R&D.
@@alvinmah6148 Paying an extra $498400 so that you can play tennis with it on lol
@@shanecathro4480I never said the price is attractive.
@@alvinmah6148 Bro just remove the watch when ypu play tennis.
Great review, thanks Watchfinder. Watch is not to my taste, but I appreciate the vid🙂👍
Where can I find and buy ZerooTime T4? Thanks!
A watch says something about the owner, and what Richard Mille says is not flattering.
Just checked the price and 298,000Yen is over 3,300CAN$ and 2,600 US$.
Their Indegogo campaign offers $1600 now
Wish you'd left a link for that watch.
The movement is from a Haofa Tourbillon watch (model 1940 with some modifications), manufactured by Guangzhou Huashi Watch Co Ltd.
Haofa is a watch copy maker, they copied zeroo movement design.
I quite like this one, except for the blue screws on the Tourbillon. They just look so cheap, like the ones you'd find on Aliexpress...
It's probably the exact tourbillon as one from AliExpress.
@@BabyJesus66 Probably. But they could have just changed the screws. It makes the watch look so much worse
Agree
Just checked the website. The none-tourb version is $446. If you just want the RM look, but without paying 1500 for a tourbillion, then that's probably your best bet. Not saying I would personally.
I did and I love it though telling time is a challenge
"Offering a fantastic view of the hairy wrist beneath it." haha brilliant
Some jewelers say that big watches are lame, or not worth, but when they say RM, which are big watches of 48mm they cost a fortune!!
That they are assembled and QC'd in Japan makes, in my thinking, a substantive difference in ultimate quality and final finish.
On the Zeroo website, there is a watch more to my taste - the Zeroo C2 Virago Classic Moon Phase. The most surprising thing is the price... assuming it's correct in the English translation, it's only $267.12
I believe I'll order one (or the C1, which is also quite appealing, and at the same price) and see what happens. Thanks for the video pointing me in the general direction.
If you do end up ordering one could you please update us here on how you like it, as I'm also interested in the C2? That would be very nice.
Stay safe and enjoy the watch journey.
That'll be the "MOONPAHSE THE VIRGO" as it states on their website :-)
is this brand fully mechanical? Their catalogue looks appealing.
I think you got the conversion wrong...watches are like 2k and up...
Oddly, I found this fascinating. As much as I do not cotton to Richard Mill designs; that is a matter of choice. To see the actual difference in the quality of a junk watch as compared to many of the quality manufacturers featured on Watchfinder is interesting as all get out. Thank you for the video.
So a $1500 tourbillion skeleton watch is Junk to you?.. I wanna see your collection! 😨🙃
Cmon… we all know the real junk watch here is anything that’s made by Fillippo Loretti
I think this is cool, Is this for sale in the UK ?
Is it worth buying it .. am thinking about it ?? Any advice ,,
A brilliant piece of human engineering, and at such an affordable price. How many are there in production. Mass produced? Is it better to own the real Mona Lisa or a perfect reproduction. Modern watches are beautiful, but production is by machines and only limited by the manufacturer based on supply and demand. Hand assembled in Japan tries to overcome the perception of generic mass production. Vintage watches were hand made and hand assembled, each a little different and each unique. You decide which is a better investment. Maybe best to own one of each, one old and one new. Thank you for the video!
There are pieces of fake furniture namely Chipendale that an expert may say is actually better executed than the real piece.A fake is a fake but it doesnt follow that it is of poorer quality?
This exact video got my into the hobby of replica watch collecting. This RM is $400 if you look hard enough.
Good videos. TY.
Would you buy this over a Baume & Mercier chrono ?? Completely different watches but within the same price range
I love the Gizmo! Finally Sapphire means something besides bragging about it. Same as the movement... you can SEE MOVEMENT which is totally the point. Well done. Great value.
Personally, I like it. Nothing else looks like it and will get as much attention or more than watches that cost 5-10x. Good work Zeroo.
Interestingly enough, the finish on this watch looks better than an RM.
That kidney selling idea got me thinking about an organ rental service I had. It's much less of a commitment to rent one or both out.
RM has used same Vaucher movs which can be had in Hermes for 7000$.
RM is not expensive because of the cost of the parts/labor/nor custom parts bs..its expensive because it has selected a market whose #1 criteria is flexing the cost...his clients want it to cost alot
.RM recognizes this and rapes his clients blind for a mediocre pos.
Am i insane or does this look way better than the RMs? Way less busy
Invicta has this design. It's known as the sapphire ghost.They use Swiss automatic movements
whats the lense you use sir?
Can't live inside a watch,ill take an apartment instead.
It's closer to $3,000. I'd rather just get an Omega.
It was $1500 on their indiegogo campaign which ran 4 months
@@baxoutthebox5682 Do you know if they will offer them again?
You should try TsarBomba Watches - the automatic one with ceramic bezel is insane
How i can buy the watch ZEROO TIME T4 ? any website
They are selling from $1500 in their Indiegogo campaign
Its 300k YEN which is 2,5k USD
I'm tempted to buy one just to give a middle finger to all the owners of the vastly over-priced RM's out there... and it looks kind of cool!
Like they are going to care
@@SpyderRios 😳 "woah he bought a watch similar to mine but feels it's superior due to how cheap it is... i'm so embarassed"
Not a good reason to buy a watch. If you really love RMs but know you will never afford one, then yeah go ahead and treat yourself and enjoy. Any other reason and you're wasti8ng money just as badly as the people that buy the real ones.
Me, I love Daytonas but it's unlikely I'll ever actually buy one. I am seriously considering buying a super clone.
I’m more likely to get struck by lightning every Thursday for the rest of my life than to ever even meet someone who owns an RM.
You can say that about pretty much all brands!! Rolex, RM, AP and just keep going. RM just found a way to make watches not looking like everybody else and made a shit ton of money on it! Don't blame the player, blame the game!
Brilliant content
Zero time have become a major brand in Japan and is being widely recognize as off late from have a very unique and affordable watch line up