Not to Play devil's advocate, but When Adam ate the forbidden fruit, that kinda did "condemn" Jesus to death (He volunteered to Take our place), but i wouldn't compare a cupcake (even tho it's Not the healthiest) to the explicitly forbidden fruit. God Had created a Garden full of a multitude of tasty fruit and the Garden was called Eden, pleasure.
@@ZionKid95 That's not what this video is about though. It's literally just Caleb (almost) eating a cupcake offered to him by a classmate. Not the forbidden fruit, just an ordinary cupcake. And he's given pie by his mom previously but that one cupcake is bad because it was the birthday of the kid offering.
i'm becoming convinced more and more that caleb and sophia is secretly a way to show kids how miserable it is to be a JW and to convince them not to be part of the cult
@@jknniferyou aren't supposed to have any social media accounts, go tell an elder you've been viewing apostate material. ...unless you believe that's a ridiculous rule and you might be subject to a cult's whims
My very first boyfriend was the 2nd youngest boy in a large JW family. His mother died when he was 5. His siblings were 18 (boy), 15 (girl), 14 (girl), 11 (boy) & 3 (boy). The oldest boy was already out on his own. The two girls were robbed of their adolescence because they had to raise the two youngest boys, who were robbed of their mother, & the middle boy went off the rails & got all into drugs & alcohol & crime. All the children (except the oldest) were cheated out of a normal childhood & adolescence. 5 lives derailed because their mother died, not from cancer or a car accident, but because she refused to have a blood transfusion. I can’t co-sign on any religion who believes THAT was the right thing to do. 😞
Oh God please help those children. It's terrible. I know for sourthen Jesus didn't like that. Refusing to live for you'r children when they need you is a sin. The bible sais that if somone doesn't take care of his own, especially the ones from his hause, he/she has left his/her faith and has become worse than unbelievers.
@@dylannance4772if you don't mind me asking, I'm curious, how and for what reason did your family leave? I understand it is extremely difficult to break free so did something happen or what? Again I don't mean to pry or be disrespectful, I understand of you don't want to answer but I got real cutious and wanted to ask.
If ancient man were afraid of evil spirits and offered them present.... well, that is true. They also offered the gifts to their gods. That's what sacrifices is about. You do a peace offering, or you offer a gift to the j god. It is present all over the Bible. It is present in Genesis. It says that the j god loves the smell of cooked meat. I love the smell as well. The Jesus sacrifice story is based on that except that it doesn't make any sense. It was an execution by the police officers. That is not a sacrifice. Also, it promotes the execution of a human so that other humans have a better life.
It would be a convenient time to get all the gift giving out of the way for very large gifts. Clothes and school supplies can be received as needed, but might come at a time before the need is realized.
I remember when I was a Jehovah’s Witness and used to take my Pokemon cards down to the Kingdom Hall and trade with friends there and then they came up with banning Pokemon by coming up with bullshit that the trainers call upon the devil to make their Pokemon evolve 😂😂😂
when I was a kid, smurfs were demonic lol, and my cousin couldn't wear their T&C Surf Designs Tee shirts due to the yin and yang. So I'm guessing yoga is banned too? Me:🧘♀️
Being a jw was isolating, depressing, anxiety inducing, and full of BS guilt. It took me a few years to deprogram myself but I've never been happier in my life. It's nice being able to see the world for what it really is without religion.
Maybe - and hear me out - the reason birthdays went south in the Bible is because they were both by powerful rulers and the true moral is not to abuse power, not to demonize birthdays
@@KitKatSukiKat: Lack of evidence is not the same as evidence of lack. It's entirely possible lots of people mentioned in the Bible celebrated birthdays but none of those birthdays went south and so they didn't get a mention.
My best friend growing up was a JW. I spent time at his house quite a bit, and his mom would bring up religion a lot. She did give it a rest from time to time, which was nice. They were still fun people to hang out with. What I liked about my friend was that he rarely talked about religion with me. Mainly it was when I asked, which wasn't a lot. I think that's one thing that I liked about him: that he had respect for me, and we both had an unspoken understanding that it's not cool to try to indoctrinate people relentlessly. I wasn't aware at the time that JWs discourage members from being friends with "worldly" people.
They encourage friendships among children to bring the other children into the religion. Are you still friends with the person? Are they still part of the JW church? I was able to reconnect with a childhood friend after he left.
Tbh I'm only aware now of how it is for JW, my best friend in highschool had a parent with that religion. But surprisingly they never forbade her from doing anything, she went to my bdays and everything. She didn't have any restrictions nor any talked about religion. If there was a bday in class she ate cake as well. So maybe they weren't all that devote, dunno or at least in private they didn't practice everything. No idea.
@@Shaphat That's ok. There are muslims and mormons that drink ethanol and consume caffeine. Not everyone cares about every rule set out in their religion. Life is short. Let people live a little. ~~~~atheist dude.
@@auroraasleep No, no longer friends. I'm not sure if he's still in the church. We did reconnect again in our late 20s, but that was quite a while ago. :P He had started seeing this girl, and the few times we met up, she insisted on being there. Not to be mean, but, she kind of brought the mood down lol. I know I only met her a couple of times, but, I had the impression that she was a controlling person. Not sure if she was in the church either. But I remember thinking that if I was dating someone who hadn't seen a good friend in a long time, that I would have the thoughtfulness to let them catch up by themselves a few times, instead of inserting myself into the situation lol. That's just me though. We lost touch after that. Either way I hope he's doing well, because he really was a good person, and a good friend.
I've never heard about the 'birthday wishes to protect them from evil spirits' thing, but I _do_ know that blowing out birthday candles was considered a test of strength for young children, to see how fit and strong their lungs were.
I did not know that. So if the children couldn't blow out the candles, were they abandoned in the woods outside the city walls, for the wolves to get them?
@@pineapplepenumbra Not really sure? But if a little kid's lungs aren't even strong enough to blow out a couple of little candles, then they're likely not physically fit or healthy enough to last the upcoming winter. The family, in that case, would likely either try to help the kid get stronger and healthier...or start the grieving process early, to help get it done easier when the child finally kicked it. I doubt they were left outside for the wolves? But who knows; mediaeval peasants tended to be less than literate, so there's not much in the way of documentation, especially not that would have survived this long.
@@pineapplepenumbra It is a test of strength for kids. That is how it was celebrated in my family. No, I was not abandoned in the woods. You just get some ridicule if you fail.
@@JaceDeanLove It’s kind of shitty, because it makes the kids feel like they aren’t being celebrated when all the other kids have birthdays. I wouldn’t say it’s abusive, but it is a dick move as a parent.
@@JaceDeanLove Mentally scaring your children and forcing them to be ridiculed for not accepting their piers accepted norms makes them outcasts. BASIC ABUSE of elders upon children!
I worked with a JW who wouldn't eat birthday cake. Whenever there was cake, I'd tell him that so and so just wanted to bring in cake. He'd happily eat it. I have no idea whether he REALLY believed me. One day, though, he served himself a piece of cake and someone went up and told him it was birthday cake and he decided not to eat the cake. I was so disappointed with that person. If you bring a cake in for people to share, why not make it so that people can share it!
Yeah my aunt and uncle (and therefore those cousins growing up) are JW but my Catholic grandma lived with them. My parents would always bring over dinner - not Christmas food- we all ate together and hung out and then we just went to our grandma’s room to open gifts and stuff. Tbh it was kinda sad though. Thankfully one of the 4 cousins got out but the rest are still drinking the koolaid 😔 I didn’t realize how bad JW teachings were until they excommunicated that cousin and I started looking into it.
@@murineesc I was working at a place and during christmas, we took a break and we were all eating together. Someone asked where a certain person was. One lady said that he is a JW and is in the cafeteria alone. She went and had a look and said, yes, he is there, reading the Bible. It seems pretty stupid. I’m an ex-christian, an atheist, but I was ok with celebrating christmas. There were muslims with us and we were all eating together and chatting. The things some people will do to get into their precious heaven.
I'm also an ex-Christian atheist; with stuff like Christmas and Easter, I wouldn't feel weird about celebrating them. I'm not going to do the religious parts like going to church or decorating with religious iconography but it's still part of my culture and just because I don't believe in the story behind them doesn't mean it's not part of my identity, heritage, and just how my family connects with one another. Which is what makes it even sadder that JWs won't participate in things that are so critical to connecting to the community around them and their history. And also regarding the muslims celebrating with - that's another beautiful thing we can do as humans to understand one another is to learn about each others' customs and participate in them when invited.@@louistournas120
As an Atheist... Did these people read the same Bible? The same Jesus? Love erryguys, peace loving Hippie... Jesus... Against Celebrations? Water to wine man JC... Against Celebrations? Happy Christmas and Yule and whatever celebration of the Light against the darkest nights you celebrate.
Yesterday (Dec 23) was my daughter's 9th birthday. We had a party in a trampoline park with her friends and their siblings. And they had a blast. Several of the parents thanked me. the idea of not celebrating her birthday and that fact that I love her and want to celebrate the day I became a mother of a wonderful daughter. The idea of never doing that is just cruel and sad. I got a text message about how her school is going to celebrate for her in class in the first day of school back from the winter holidays. Just, let kids have fun. New flash: isn't Christmas Jesus' birthday?
Christmas comes from ancient celebrations that was later adopted by the priestly class since they could not convince the people to quit. The logic from JW is that Christmas doesn't belong in christianity. The same goes for Halloween and Easter. I didn't know why JW are against birthdays but I just learned it now.
I started volunteering in a first grade classroom recently teaching kids to read. We go into the enclosed hallway where it is quiet and the kids can focus away from the noise of the classroom. The teacher came out and told me that it was good that I had the boy I was working with out there reading because he couldn't be inside the classroom right at that moment due to his religious beliefs and from his mother making the request, and that normally he would just be sent to the other first grade classroom. I heard a lot of loud, happy kid noises coming from the classroom. I asked if they were doing something. She said yes, that one of the kids' mother brought a birthday cake and they were going to celebrate. There's 15 kids in the classroom. So the teacher told me to keep him out there and that she'd let me know when he could go back instead the classroom. About a minute after she went back inside, I heard them all singing the happy birthday song. I looked at the kid and could tell he looked both sad and a bit concerned. I said, "You're a Jehovah's Witness aren't you?" He kind of perked up and asked, "Are you one?" I said no. He asked how is it that I knew he was one. I told him that I know they don't celebrate birthdays. He nodded in agreement but also looking down at the same time. The kid is six years old. My heart broke for him. He said that his mom always buys cakes and desserts so it's not a big deal, that that's what the kids are doing in there, just eating cake. I told him that they were celebrating someone's birthday, and that a birthday party is the celebration of someone being born. He looked at me like, "Ooooh!" I said that it isn't bad per say and that his religion just doesn't believe in celebrating those kinds of things along with other holidays. I could see the little gears in his head working. He didn't say anything else about it though nor did I.
This is just heartbreaking, as an agnostic child of laughed catholics, I remember celebrating birthday parties with the other kids in class that was no problem. Funny enough my birthday is christmas. I'm a good company, Isaac Newton Annie Lennox Rod serling. But I think that JW's do this to purposefully isolate and ostracize the children so that they won't be able to make friends and contacts outside of the cult sorry, "religion". Its disgusting. I'm in the LA area and on January 2nd I saw them parked outside of the Rose Parade float viewing area waiting on the sidewalk to accost people with their religious pamphlets.
My dad grew up JW but was born deaf so was basically ignored by his hearing family. After he had his own family he had us (brother, mother and i) go to 7th day church and eventually a Baptist pentecostal religion. No birthdays, No holidays, no swimming without long sleeves and pants. Ect. It was not until a church van was coming to force me into Sunday school that I ran away for almost 2 years. Parent's stopped forcing me after I came back but he's still so into his current religion still Baptist pentecostal that it's difficult to have a relationship with him. Even when I grieved the loss of my mom at age 17 he was not supportive and said I should be happy she's in heaven now. So difficult to have a conversation that doesn't include his strict religious beliefs. Your channel has been a great support and very interesting these last few years I've watched. Also your cat is so cute. :) Thankyou.
The fundamentalist cult I grew up in also prohibited birthdays and holidays. I experienced the same social isolation as a young person. Including no Friday night school activities.
@@pineapplepenumbra "That cults are damaging and should be illegal." ==You can't make religions illegal because they are too widespread. If 1% of the population was christian, are you going to send them to jail all at the same time? What you can do is give them blood transfusions when they need it, give them vaccination when they need it.
@@pineapplepenumbraI think they were asking if OP was referring to The Message" cult inspired by the “teachings” / “prophetic messages” of William Branham?
@@katwitanruna i meant not specifically at a personsbirthday. More like for at the "birthday" of a god (like how winter solctice is assigned to the rebirth of the god of sun or people who were born under the blessing of a god (like being born on a special day or with Something special on them. ) Or just praising a god on the birthday like "thanks god(ess) of motherhood for giving me a child"
I guess what the video means is that ancient people offered sacrifices. That's what sacrifices is about. You do a peace offering, or you offer a gift to the j god. It is present all over the Bible. It is present in Genesis. It says that the j god loves the smell of cooked meat. I love the smell as well. The Jesus sacrifice story is based on that except that it doesn't make any sense. It was an execution by the police officers. That is not a sacrifice. Also, it promotes the execution of a human so that other humans have a better life.
It would not suprise me in teh slightest is the JWs decided to impose rules related to the passing of bodily waste if they thought they could get away with it. Thats what cults do after all.
There was the entire period of 1940 to 1990 when united statian christians were claiming that rock and roll is the devil's music. They were claiming that cartoons such as the smurfs, Rainbow Bright, He-Man and many others were evil. There is the Madonna music video, Pappa don't preach, that the christian groups disliked bc it was about a teen girl who becomes pregnant and wants to keep her baby. There is the Beatles Album, bigger than Jesus, that upset a lot of christians. Nowadays, these christian groups seem to not complain about cartoons and music.
Merry Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, Dawali, Winter Solstice, Boxing Day, Yule, Saint Nicolas Day, Three Kings Day and everything anyone else celebrates, and may you all have a happy New Year! ❄🌎❤
25:29 The look on the dad's face is "thank Jehovah you weren't baptized yet. It would have been so embarrassing to hear you get reproved at the thursday night meeting, or even worse, disfellowshipped for it."
Be sure to check out the sequel where Caleb checks into rehab for the fourth time bc he never did fully get over the infamous “icing incident”. He’s on his own now after telling his father he might try a cupcake soon.
How these kids feel about pleasing god feels EXACTLY like my childhood with chronic OCD. even the smallest things made me feel awful. Even breaking a paving stone made ate me up inside. They have literally given these kids OCD
@millie9814 it breaks my heart, because my OCD is genetic, I've only ever had OCD, i dont know what its like to live without it, but these kids don't. These kids have a clear shot to healthy mental health when they're born, and then these cult groups brainwash these parents to create this suffering in their children's brains.
I appreciate you continuing to repeat things you've said before. I realize this might feel redundant for you, but there are people always waking up and are at different stages in their journey and are need to hear what you've said a thousand times for the very first time. Keep doing what you're doing, sir. Much respect for you and what you do.
"That's a good question son, it's because I'm raising you in a cult and it's an oppressive tactic right out of the cult playbook. You work to deprive people of as much individual joy and happiness as possible, so that they come to rely on the cult because it's the only source of joy they are allowed." If the answer were honest.
I had a friend in elementary that grew up as a jw with his mom and dad. His dad left the religion and the kid who was like 10ish decided he wanted to go with his dad and wildly was actually able to get custody. The mom didnt really fight for him bcuz he was saying she was mean. I was friends with this kid until high school and I remember him not having birthdays which was weird but like as a kid I was like whatever. But then I remember every year after that his dad threw him a huge birthday party and tons of presents and the whole event lasted like a week. Took him to a local theme park we have here and everything. Told him happy birthday like 50 times a day and stuff. I was probably like 15 when I asked why he had a birthday week as that was weird and he said he asked his dad the same thing and his dad told him it was "to make up for all the missed birthdays he had when he was young.
I would say that if someone is going to stop being your friend over you eating a cupcake (assuming you didn't steal the cupcake) then they weren't your friend to begin with.
They're supposed to be 6 year olds and it's not like it's just about a cupcake. He's gotta tell them how sinful and wrong it is to be celebrating birthdays at all.
Here in Mexico I live right next to a taco restaurant run by witnesses, nice people, tried to convert me and refused to keep me working for them when they couldn't, funny thing is I went ask them about lett's announcement about beards, the husband admitted he's gonna grow one now, her wife and I mocked he was waiting for this to happen, couldn't resist telling them not to get his hoped up since they change their mind so often like with organ transplants
My family is very religious and my stepdad is ex Mormon. when he first came over for Christmas, we decided that my grandma would explain why Christmas is so important something that she used to do every year back when the grandkids were little. and according to our family and our families virtues as it’s because Jesus was given life and given gifts, so we exchange gifts as a continuation of that celebration in the life we received from him.
I was raised like you were. I want to watch, and not get triggered, and that’s very hard! We have no culture, no family traditions, no true sense of acceptance. Being raised like that has such negative long term effects. But these monsters want to make it into a cute cartoon and serve it to children!
Fun fact: when making Star Wars Return of the Jedi, people were skeptical about Admiral Akbar's design, the "It's a Trap" guy. They were worried that people would not gravitate towards this character, but George Lucas stuck to his guns, insisting that it was important to teach kids that a good person is not always necessarily a good looking person. As a result, we have a character that is far more memorable than the leader of the Rebel Alliance. The fact that you're struggling to remember who that was while reading this proves the point.
That is such strange reasoning to say it’s because Jesus didn’t celebrate his birthday. Such a large section of each of the gospels is literally a celebration of his birthday, complete with people coming and giving him gifts.
this is how i grew up, but with a more aggressive approach to birthdays (or any form of celebration really). never got to celebrate my birthday unless it was far away from the part of my family that was JW. it still feels weird on my birthdays even though i'm not involved with the cult anymore, i kind of just don't really know what to do. i'm glad i have friends to stick by my side on those kinds of occasions.
17:00 the fear of God and Hell put me on a panic psychosis like episode that ran 5 months straight. so much adrenaline made the sunlight hurt my skin and at the worst, the only thing i could eat and keep down was popcorn. Lived on popcorn for 2 weeks straight.
I will never forget how i “traumatised”my Kindergarten peers when i denied to eat cake on someone’s Birthday “cause Jehova would be mad at me and Armageddon is about to happen any day now and i want to go to Paradise” Thank fu*k their Parents explained them that my family is basically crazy and that they shouldn’t believe me, best to avoid me in general, i’m sure there were also some talks with the teacher how to handle those situations in the future -_-
Every holiday and birthday I celebrate hard to make up for those miserable years I was a depressed and isolated jw child and teen. I'm thankful and happy to be an adult today.
I believe his birthday was celebrated. huumm ! Angels were singing and gifts were given in fact gold frankincense & murr. Gifts given & singing indicate, Celebration to me!!
i would've been disfellowshipped since the moment i learned how to talk in full sentences! as a kid, i was always questioning everything and wanted to learn every detail. i would not survive the JW life
"The bible only ever has negative things to say about dogs." Yet another reason to throw that book in the garbage!! >:O (what, me, have a bias in favor of dogs? whatever gave that impression :P )
I just found your channel and subscribed. I want to share my JW with you. My dad was JW and married my mom a Catholic. That didn't go over well at all but they didn't fully cut him off cause he was still JW. As an infant I had a serious health crisis and needed a blood transfusion. His family told him to let Jesus take me back if that's his choice. My dad left JW for good and got me the simple procedure to save my life. They disowned us. Acted like we were dead for years. When I was about 6 they let us back into their lives but it was never right to me even as a kid. I didn't know what happened till I was in my teens when my mom told me. They had tried to convert us a few times and my mom put the kibosh on that. I since have kept them at arms length. They later said they were glad I was still alive... Like... Thanks I guess 🙃
Reminds me of when my little cousin stood over the toilet hyperventilating because she lost a tooth and was afraid jahovea wouldn't love her anymore if she accidentally swallowed her blood! Traumatic 😢. Traumatized at the age of five for going through a natural thing. Smh
"They have palm trees in the middle east or something?" Haven't you heard of date palms? 100% they have palm trees in the middle east, they just don't necessarily have some of the tropical varieties you'd see ... in the tropics.
3:48 In ancient times, birthdays were often associated with mysticism and spiritual significance. Many cultures believed that on a person's birthday, they were more susceptible to attacks by evil spirits. To counter this, friends and family would gather to give good wishes and gifts, which were thought to ward off these spirits. The act of giving gifts was seen as a show of love and goodwill, which could attract positive energy and good spirits.
It frustrates me how good these videos can be. I legitimately feel empathy for Peter as he wrestles between wanting to stay safe, while also wanting to stand by his friend and teacher. But then the show uses such a gutwrenching choice (which is fantastically animated, with great voice acting) and uses it as an excuse to mentally torment a young child for wanting to eat a cupcake. These two scenarios are not the same, and should not be treated the same.
This is child abuse. If this kid has been made to feel despair and guilt over "thinking about sinning" then wait until he hits puberty. This kind of abuse creates sociopaths.
This kills me! 😅😂 Happy Birthday 🥳 on your next one! 😅 🎉 🎈 🍰🥳 🥃🍷🍾🎊🎈 Merry Christmas, Owen; Happy Holidays, and all the very best in 2024, to you and your family and friends! 🧑🎄🎅🎄🎁 🎉🥂🍾🥰💞🇨🇦
I love how you break down these things. My Best friend since 1st grade is caught up in this and it hurts me when I see her passing this on to her children. 1 of which is disfellowed. At least she’s not willing to shun him. Listening to you has answered a lot of questions for me thanks for your knowledge.
What sucks most about Caleb and Sophia is how fucking likeable Caleb and Sophia are. Apart from that, the episodes are very competently made. The animation and directing are both great. If it wasn't religious propaganda, Caleb and Sophia could legitimately be a great show.
it almost feels like a commentary; a kid friendly Moral Orel. they depict the childrens' emotions and fear so accurately, and yet, it's supposed to be propaganda. i can't see these cartoons being anything but disturbing for the non-JW kids they show them to
Not only Birthday cake, but also Blood, yes the JW are the ones that have to decline Blood transfusions and yes even if it means that their own child will die
So the dad's point of the Bible story was "fear can make your faith waver", but he then uses it to put his son in a constant state of fear over his faith wavering? By his own logic, it sounds like he's failing Jehovah by setting his son up to fail like that.
I was briefly friends with a girl in Grade 6 in one of the many schools I went to, who I now know was an extreme JW. No birthdays, no holidays of any kind. Plus, she got no lunch. She got nothing to take to eat and no money for any lunch, and she was sworn “to God!!” to take nothing from anyone. It was “a test for God” 🙄 No matter how often I offered her a piece of apple or some chips. This girl was shaking with hunger. This was the beginning of my realization: Religion is destructive bullshit.
She had to suffer so that you learn. If there were no muslims doing violent things, mormons believing in craziness, etc what reason would I have for not joining these religions. I watch about WW1, WW2, various wars, I read the news. We learn from the bad experience of others. I look at such cases and decide "I don't want to be like them." I prefer science and technology. It is better to learn about nature and learn how to use it rather than wish all your life for a utopia that doesn't exist. The god of the bible sounds like a monster. How do people worship that?
It's okay, Owen. I didn't get any Valentines cards either. I wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, my classmates just hated me. They threw out the cards I passed out too LMAO
So the whole they thought gifts and treats would protect them from evil spirts is half true. The way we celebrate birthdays is kind of mix of a variety of traditions. It wasn't that they thought toys and treats would protect them from evil spirts but rather they would use noisemakers to keep them from ruining the fun of the celebration. Gifts were a way of connecting to others of the community & even as a means of checking in on neighbors like back in the day when people would take baked goods to their neighbors & recive them in return instead of going to get candy for Halloween festivities. Another tradition is that the candles on cake were in some cultures used to honor the gods. Maybe this is why JWs are taught to hate birthdays along with the belief that only bad things happen on birthdays
I guess I'm a bit evil lol. I would always bring cupcakes on my birthday. And while the JW kids were like in the bathroom we would do the birthday song and such as then they would come back and I would make sure they got a cupcake, but because I was nice and I liked them.
LOL, there's a cat over there. I'm stoked for today. I'm going to my sisters. I'm bringing green bean casserole. Hopefully we can cook it at her place. So it's hot by the time we eat it. Merry Christmas Owen.
9:04 Im not sure if this is true or not but I remember hearing somewhere that in hebrew “yhwh” is said like a breath, the “yh” being an inhale and the “wh” being an exhale, meaning that gods name basically means life
19:08 ? The Catholic Church is one of the largest charitable organizationsin the world. It's the largest non-government provider of health care AND higher education in the world.
My ex husband's grandma was a jehovah's Witness. She said the only birthday we are supposed to celebrate is Jesus' birthday. Not celebrate Christmas...just celebrate it at Jesus' birthday. Don't give gifts to each other. It's not our day, it's Jesus' day. 🤷♀️
yes it’s called a commemoration, and quite literally we just sit there for an hour or so and pass wine and some bread to signify his passing or something 😀
@@jknniferI think that’s one of the reasons JW are not so popular in my country in comparison to Hare Krishna movement where every time you go there they feed you lots of food and on their holidays they make sure to serve like 5-6 courses. On Krishna birthday they even make 101 dishes and serve them all and in some temples in India they make 10k different dishes. It’s interesting that these are both cults originally started in 60-70-s but one of them evolved to be more fun friendly and happiness oriented.
What??? The H really does stand for Herbert? Where does that come from?? My husband (who has never had to church ever or was ever a believer) told me that; I thought he was joking! Now I need a video explaining this, please, Owen! Happy holidays to you and your family 😊
I had a classmate in 5th grade that was JW. I remember always feeling really bad for her that she couldn't participate in our holiday/birthday activities.
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Eating a cupcake=Condeming Jesus to death.
Wow..
he didn’t even actually eat it so he technically did the right thing. growing up in this cult is absurd
@@jknniferJW is undeniably a cult given it's insanely strict rules and excommunicating anyone who dares overstep a boundary.
@@jknnifer It's basically a cult 💀
Not to Play devil's advocate, but When Adam ate the forbidden fruit, that kinda did "condemn" Jesus to death (He volunteered to Take our place), but i wouldn't compare a cupcake (even tho it's Not the healthiest) to the explicitly forbidden fruit. God Had created a Garden full of a multitude of tasty fruit and the Garden was called Eden, pleasure.
@@ZionKid95 That's not what this video is about though. It's literally just Caleb (almost) eating a cupcake offered to him by a classmate. Not the forbidden fruit, just an ordinary cupcake.
And he's given pie by his mom previously but that one cupcake is bad because it was the birthday of the kid offering.
i'm becoming convinced more and more that caleb and sophia is secretly a way to show kids how miserable it is to be a JW and to convince them not to be part of the cult
@@jknniferI got some bad news for you..
@@jknnifer Is it a relationship with Yeshua?
@@jknnifer forgot that Jehova’s Witnesses were allowed to talk to outsiders
I literally ran away from their ideals as a child because of their videos lol I remember crying to the gay one
@@jknniferyou aren't supposed to have any social media accounts, go tell an elder you've been viewing apostate material.
...unless you believe that's a ridiculous rule and you might be subject to a cult's whims
My very first boyfriend was the 2nd youngest boy in a large JW family. His mother died when he was 5. His siblings were 18 (boy), 15 (girl), 14 (girl), 11 (boy) & 3 (boy). The oldest boy was already out on his own. The two girls were robbed of their adolescence because they had to raise the two youngest boys, who were robbed of their mother, & the middle boy went off the rails & got all into drugs & alcohol & crime. All the children (except the oldest) were cheated out of a normal childhood & adolescence. 5 lives derailed because their mother died, not from cancer or a car accident, but because she refused to have a blood transfusion.
I can’t co-sign on any religion who believes THAT was the right thing to do. 😞
Omg
Oh God please help those children. It's terrible. I know for sourthen Jesus didn't like that. Refusing to live for you'r children when they need you is a sin. The bible sais that if somone doesn't take care of his own, especially the ones from his hause, he/she has left his/her faith and has become worse than unbelievers.
holy shit.
This is like saying "Jesus had wool-like hair, so obviously straight hair is sinful." It's troll logic.
If it's ok to have presents any time of the year, it should be ok on birthdays, too. Right?
Right if that's the case then don't ever have any presents. I'm so glad my family moved on from the JW's before i was 18.
@@dylannance4772 Lucky man
@@dylannance4772if you don't mind me asking, I'm curious, how and for what reason did your family leave? I understand it is extremely difficult to break free so did something happen or what?
Again I don't mean to pry or be disrespectful, I understand of you don't want to answer but I got real cutious and wanted to ask.
If ancient man were afraid of evil spirits and offered them present.... well, that is true. They also offered the gifts to their gods.
That's what sacrifices is about. You do a peace offering, or you offer a gift to the j god. It is present all over the Bible. It is present in Genesis. It says that the j god loves the smell of cooked meat. I love the smell as well.
The Jesus sacrifice story is based on that except that it doesn't make any sense. It was an execution by the police officers. That is not a sacrifice.
Also, it promotes the execution of a human so that other humans have a better life.
It would be a convenient time to get all the gift giving out of the way for very large gifts. Clothes and school supplies can be received as needed, but might come at a time before the need is realized.
I remember when I was a Jehovah’s Witness and used to take my Pokemon cards down to the Kingdom Hall and trade with friends there and then they came up with banning Pokemon by coming up with bullshit that the trainers call upon the devil to make their Pokemon evolve 😂😂😂
It was smurfs are demons for my generation.lots of burning possibly possessed random items. I bet most are Home school now.
when I was a kid, smurfs were demonic lol, and my cousin couldn't wear their T&C Surf Designs Tee shirts due to the yin and yang.
So I'm guessing yoga is banned too? Me:🧘♀️
"Pikachu, use Hail Satan!" LMAO
Same except I was a Baptist
SATAN! I CHOOSE YOU!
Being a jw was isolating, depressing, anxiety inducing, and full of BS guilt. It took me a few years to deprogram myself but I've never been happier in my life. It's nice being able to see the world for what it really is without religion.
Good for you.
@@Colin12475 it's better than good, it's amazing finally finding peace and happiness.
Maybe - and hear me out - the reason birthdays went south in the Bible is because they were both by powerful rulers and the true moral is not to abuse power, not to demonize birthdays
Yep, there were only 2 birthdays celebrated in the Bible!
It’s because bad things happened only twice in the Bible when the birthdays were celebrated.
Maybe so, but it's the Watchtower we're talking about. You really think they're gonna endorse a message that says power should not be abused? 😂
@@KitKatSukiKat: Lack of evidence is not the same as evidence of lack. It's entirely possible lots of people mentioned in the Bible celebrated birthdays but none of those birthdays went south and so they didn't get a mention.
"Birthdays are bad because bad things happened on them"
Jesus: AM I A JOKE TO YOU
"A person shouldn't loose all their self-respect when their only 6 years old"-Charlie Brown
My best friend growing up was a JW. I spent time at his house quite a bit, and his mom would bring up religion a lot. She did give it a rest from time to time, which was nice. They were still fun people to hang out with. What I liked about my friend was that he rarely talked about religion with me. Mainly it was when I asked, which wasn't a lot. I think that's one thing that I liked about him: that he had respect for me, and we both had an unspoken understanding that it's not cool to try to indoctrinate people relentlessly.
I wasn't aware at the time that JWs discourage members from being friends with "worldly" people.
They encourage friendships among children to bring the other children into the religion. Are you still friends with the person? Are they still part of the JW church? I was able to reconnect with a childhood friend after he left.
Tbh I'm only aware now of how it is for JW, my best friend in highschool had a parent with that religion. But surprisingly they never forbade her from doing anything, she went to my bdays and everything. She didn't have any restrictions nor any talked about religion. If there was a bday in class she ate cake as well. So maybe they weren't all that devote, dunno or at least in private they didn't practice everything. No idea.
@@Shaphat That's ok. There are muslims and mormons that drink ethanol and consume caffeine.
Not everyone cares about every rule set out in their religion.
Life is short. Let people live a little.
~~~~atheist dude.
@@auroraasleep No, no longer friends. I'm not sure if he's still in the church. We did reconnect again in our late 20s, but that was quite a while ago. :P He had started seeing this girl, and the few times we met up, she insisted on being there. Not to be mean, but, she kind of brought the mood down lol. I know I only met her a couple of times, but, I had the impression that she was a controlling person. Not sure if she was in the church either. But I remember thinking that if I was dating someone who hadn't seen a good friend in a long time, that I would have the thoughtfulness to let them catch up by themselves a few times, instead of inserting myself into the situation lol. That's just me though. We lost touch after that.
Either way I hope he's doing well, because he really was a good person, and a good friend.
I noticed that Caleb developed bags under his eyes after he got home and was talking to dad. They diminished when he went back to school lol.
What's gonna happen to them when they read the bible too long and develop bags under their eyes anyways?
I've never heard about the 'birthday wishes to protect them from evil spirits' thing, but I _do_ know that blowing out birthday candles was considered a test of strength for young children, to see how fit and strong their lungs were.
I did not know that.
So if the children couldn't blow out the candles, were they abandoned in the woods outside the city walls, for the wolves to get them?
@@pineapplepenumbra Not really sure? But if a little kid's lungs aren't even strong enough to blow out a couple of little candles, then they're likely not physically fit or healthy enough to last the upcoming winter. The family, in that case, would likely either try to help the kid get stronger and healthier...or start the grieving process early, to help get it done easier when the child finally kicked it.
I doubt they were left outside for the wolves? But who knows; mediaeval peasants tended to be less than literate, so there's not much in the way of documentation, especially not that would have survived this long.
@@pineapplepenumbrahopefully
@@pineapplepenumbra It is a test of strength for kids. That is how it was celebrated in my family. No, I was not abandoned in the woods. You just get some ridicule if you fail.
My cakes were always decorate with blow-out-proof candles, so.... guess I failed the strength test.
To not allow a CHILD to enjoy a PARTY is flat out child abuse!! Shameful!
Or to have frosted cupcakes. Homemade cupcakes are good and all, but not everyone frosts them frosted ones are better!
That's far from abuse 😂
@@JaceDeanLove It’s kind of shitty, because it makes the kids feel like they aren’t being celebrated when all the other kids have birthdays. I wouldn’t say it’s abusive, but it is a dick move as a parent.
@@JaceDeanLoveothering your own children and forcing them to be outcasts from the joys of society is a little abusive
@@JaceDeanLove Mentally scaring your children and forcing them to be ridiculed for not accepting their piers accepted norms makes them outcasts. BASIC ABUSE of elders upon children!
I worked with a JW who wouldn't eat birthday cake. Whenever there was cake, I'd tell him that so and so just wanted to bring in cake. He'd happily eat it. I have no idea whether he REALLY believed me. One day, though, he served himself a piece of cake and someone went up and told him it was birthday cake and he decided not to eat the cake. I was so disappointed with that person. If you bring a cake in for people to share, why not make it so that people can share it!
Yeah my aunt and uncle (and therefore those cousins growing up) are JW but my Catholic grandma lived with them. My parents would always bring over dinner - not Christmas food- we all ate together and hung out and then we just went to our grandma’s room to open gifts and stuff. Tbh it was kinda sad though. Thankfully one of the 4 cousins got out but the rest are still drinking the koolaid 😔 I didn’t realize how bad JW teachings were until they excommunicated that cousin and I started looking into it.
@@murineesc I was working at a place and during christmas, we took a break and we were all eating together.
Someone asked where a certain person was. One lady said that he is a JW and is in the cafeteria alone. She went and had a look and said, yes, he is there, reading the Bible.
It seems pretty stupid. I’m an ex-christian, an atheist, but I was ok with celebrating christmas. There were muslims with us and we were all eating together and chatting.
The things some people will do to get into their precious heaven.
I'm also an ex-Christian atheist; with stuff like Christmas and Easter, I wouldn't feel weird about celebrating them. I'm not going to do the religious parts like going to church or decorating with religious iconography but it's still part of my culture and just because I don't believe in the story behind them doesn't mean it's not part of my identity, heritage, and just how my family connects with one another. Which is what makes it even sadder that JWs won't participate in things that are so critical to connecting to the community around them and their history. And also regarding the muslims celebrating with - that's another beautiful thing we can do as humans to understand one another is to learn about each others' customs and participate in them when invited.@@louistournas120
Ancient Greeks used to make birthday cake in the shape of the moon for Artemis... That's why Jehovah's Witnesses don't like that.
that's such a random reason for that. birthday celebrations and cake exist in other cultures too.
@@ZeeJeff
it's humor, many cultures use it.
@@ZeeJeff Greeks and Scandanavians happen to be a problem for the christian Conquest.. only Asia was saved from this tragedy
moon shaped cake? cool! 🌙
Yum 😋
He lusted after cupcakes in his heart
who wouldn't want a cupcake?
@@aporue5893Jehovah apparently 😂
As an Atheist... Did these people read the same Bible? The same Jesus? Love erryguys, peace loving Hippie... Jesus... Against Celebrations? Water to wine man JC... Against Celebrations? Happy Christmas and Yule and whatever celebration of the Light against the darkest nights you celebrate.
As a recovering evangelical, Jesus is whoever fits your narrative.
No they don't they read their own version
Im an atheist and an idoit, but I find it weird that a lot of Christians try to bring down people even though Jesus said love thy neighbor
speaking of Christmas isn't that supposed to be Jesus' literal birthday? what do you mean birthday bad?, Merry Christmas also
@@CRSB00actually Christmas came from pagans celebrating yule
But as Christians usually do they made it into "Jesus's birthday "
22:51 The zooming in on the cat in the background when discussing the “tight pants” debacle 😂
Yesterday (Dec 23) was my daughter's 9th birthday. We had a party in a trampoline park with her friends and their siblings. And they had a blast. Several of the parents thanked me. the idea of not celebrating her birthday and that fact that I love her and want to celebrate the day I became a mother of a wonderful daughter. The idea of never doing that is just cruel and sad. I got a text message about how her school is going to celebrate for her in class in the first day of school back from the winter holidays. Just, let kids have fun.
New flash: isn't Christmas Jesus' birthday?
They don't celebrate Christmas either.
Christmas isnt jesus's birthday
@@lindseyesquisitoit could be. We don't have a fucking clue lol
Christmas comes from ancient celebrations that was later adopted by the priestly class since they could not convince the people to quit.
The logic from JW is that Christmas doesn't belong in christianity.
The same goes for Halloween and Easter.
I didn't know why JW are against birthdays but I just learned it now.
@@JaceDeanLoveIt has actually been disproven
I started volunteering in a first grade classroom recently teaching kids to read. We go into the enclosed hallway where it is quiet and the kids can focus away from the noise of the classroom. The teacher came out and told me that it was good that I had the boy I was working with out there reading because he couldn't be inside the classroom right at that moment due to his religious beliefs and from his mother making the request, and that normally he would just be sent to the other first grade classroom. I heard a lot of loud, happy kid noises coming from the classroom. I asked if they were doing something. She said yes, that one of the kids' mother brought a birthday cake and they were going to celebrate. There's 15 kids in the classroom. So the teacher told me to keep him out there and that she'd let me know when he could go back instead the classroom. About a minute after she went back inside, I heard them all singing the happy birthday song. I looked at the kid and could tell he looked both sad and a bit concerned. I said, "You're a Jehovah's Witness aren't you?" He kind of perked up and asked, "Are you one?" I said no. He asked how is it that I knew he was one. I told him that I know they don't celebrate birthdays. He nodded in agreement but also looking down at the same time. The kid is six years old. My heart broke for him. He said that his mom always buys cakes and desserts so it's not a big deal, that that's what the kids are doing in there, just eating cake. I told him that they were celebrating someone's birthday, and that a birthday party is the celebration of someone being born. He looked at me like, "Ooooh!" I said that it isn't bad per say and that his religion just doesn't believe in celebrating those kinds of things along with other holidays. I could see the little gears in his head working. He didn't say anything else about it though nor did I.
I used to have to sit out in the hallway, too:/
This is just heartbreaking, as an agnostic child of laughed catholics, I remember celebrating birthday parties with the other kids in class that was no problem. Funny enough my birthday is christmas. I'm a good company, Isaac Newton Annie Lennox Rod serling. But I think that JW's do this to purposefully isolate and ostracize the children so that they won't be able to make friends and contacts outside of the cult sorry, "religion". Its disgusting. I'm in the LA area and on January 2nd I saw them parked outside of the Rose Parade float viewing area waiting on the sidewalk to accost people with their religious pamphlets.
My dad grew up JW but was born deaf so was basically ignored by his hearing family. After he had his own family he had us (brother, mother and i) go to 7th day church and eventually a Baptist pentecostal religion. No birthdays, No holidays, no swimming without long sleeves and pants. Ect. It was not until a church van was coming to force me into Sunday school that I ran away for almost 2 years. Parent's stopped forcing me after I came back but he's still so into his current religion still Baptist pentecostal that it's difficult to have a relationship with him. Even when I grieved the loss of my mom at age 17 he was not supportive and said I should be happy she's in heaven now. So difficult to have a conversation that doesn't include his strict religious beliefs. Your channel has been a great support and very interesting these last few years I've watched. Also your cat is so cute. :) Thankyou.
The fundamentalist cult I grew up in also prohibited birthdays and holidays. I experienced the same social isolation as a young person. Including no Friday night school activities.
The Message?
@@matman9013 That cults are damaging and should be illegal.
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@@pineapplepenumbra "That cults are damaging and should be illegal."
==You can't make religions illegal because they are too widespread.
If 1% of the population was christian, are you going to send them to jail all at the same time?
What you can do is give them blood transfusions when they need it, give them vaccination when they need it.
@@pineapplepenumbraI think they were asking if OP was referring to The Message" cult inspired by the “teachings” / “prophetic messages” of William Branham?
I have never ever heard anything about birthday gifts being to protect one from evil spirits. And my dad’s a historian so odds I’d have heard it.
I think it's a twist of old cultures and their rituals for their ancestors or for gods.
@@KaliqueClawthorne I have studied multiple pantheons and pagan traditions. I’ve never heard of it in European or Eastern cultures.
@@katwitanruna i meant not specifically at a personsbirthday. More like for at the "birthday" of a god (like how winter solctice is assigned to the rebirth of the god of sun or people who were born under the blessing of a god (like being born on a special day or with Something special on them. )
Or just praising a god on the birthday like
"thanks god(ess) of motherhood for giving me a child"
I guess what the video means is that ancient people offered sacrifices.
That's what sacrifices is about. You do a peace offering, or you offer a gift to the j god. It is present all over the Bible. It is present in Genesis. It says that the j god loves the smell of cooked meat. I love the smell as well.
The Jesus sacrifice story is based on that except that it doesn't make any sense. It was an execution by the police officers. That is not a sacrifice.
Also, it promotes the execution of a human so that other humans have a better life.
Caleb - Thinks about trying a cupcake
Dad - You've just sent Jesus to his death.
What a great father, am I right?
Did Jesus celebrate his Birthday? The bible didn't talk about him pooping either but we still do that.
Then there's clothing, they didn't wear suits or even pants in Jesus time.
It would not suprise me in teh slightest is the JWs decided to impose rules related to the passing of bodily waste if they thought they could get away with it. Thats what cults do after all.
and according to them he died on a stake. so, should we die on a stake too?😅
Naw thats a sin 👹
@@theflyingdutchguy9870To be fair, I'd die for a great steak.
Religions are so adept at stigmatizing harmless activity.
stigmatizing harmless practices forces you to sacrifice for the cult, increasing your emotional investment
There was the entire period of 1940 to 1990 when united statian christians were claiming that rock and roll is the devil's music.
They were claiming that cartoons such as the smurfs, Rainbow Bright, He-Man and many others were evil.
There is the Madonna music video, Pappa don't preach, that the christian groups disliked bc it was about a teen girl who becomes pregnant and wants to keep her baby.
There is the Beatles Album, bigger than Jesus, that upset a lot of christians.
Nowadays, these christian groups seem to not complain about cartoons and music.
*Cults. Not religions, cults.
@@louistournas120Those were evangelicals
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Merry Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, Dawali, Winter Solstice, Boxing Day, Yule, Saint Nicolas Day, Three Kings Day and everything anyone else celebrates, and may you all have a happy New Year! ❄🌎❤
Hanukkah has ended about a week ago. It isn't synchronized with Christmas nor is it Jewish Christmas
That is an impressively long list of holidays. Good on you for even knowing of that many.
Same to you, fable.
@@almogz9486Reddit moment
Thanks!
Happy Yule haha. Also Festivus, for anyone who felt missed :P
25:29 The look on the dad's face is "thank Jehovah you weren't baptized yet. It would have been so embarrassing to hear you get reproved at the thursday night meeting, or even worse, disfellowshipped for it."
Be sure to check out the sequel where Caleb checks into rehab for the fourth time bc he never did fully get over the infamous “icing incident”. He’s on his own now after telling his father he might try a cupcake soon.
How these kids feel about pleasing god feels EXACTLY like my childhood with chronic OCD. even the smallest things made me feel awful. Even breaking a paving stone made ate me up inside. They have literally given these kids OCD
YES!!!
@millie9814 it breaks my heart, because my OCD is genetic, I've only ever had OCD, i dont know what its like to live without it, but these kids don't. These kids have a clear shot to healthy mental health when they're born, and then these cult groups brainwash these parents to create this suffering in their children's brains.
@@FaeriePrincex
OCD sucks, I really hope you’re doing okay
I appreciate you continuing to repeat things you've said before. I realize this might feel redundant for you, but there are people always waking up and are at different stages in their journey and are need to hear what you've said a thousand times for the very first time. Keep doing what you're doing, sir. Much respect for you and what you do.
Normal People: You can't have your cake and eat it too
JW's: You can't have your cake or eat it.
im a bit confused
wgat
@@-Tomarrystan- im pretty sure the first one is a saying
"That's a good question son, it's because I'm raising you in a cult and it's an oppressive tactic right out of the cult playbook. You work to deprive people of as much individual joy and happiness as possible, so that they come to rely on the cult because it's the only source of joy they are allowed." If the answer were honest.
I had a friend in elementary that grew up as a jw with his mom and dad. His dad left the religion and the kid who was like 10ish decided he wanted to go with his dad and wildly was actually able to get custody. The mom didnt really fight for him bcuz he was saying she was mean. I was friends with this kid until high school and I remember him not having birthdays which was weird but like as a kid I was like whatever. But then I remember every year after that his dad threw him a huge birthday party and tons of presents and the whole event lasted like a week. Took him to a local theme park we have here and everything. Told him happy birthday like 50 times a day and stuff.
I was probably like 15 when I asked why he had a birthday week as that was weird and he said he asked his dad the same thing and his dad told him it was "to make up for all the missed birthdays he had when he was young.
Good dad😊
that’s so sweet omg. ❤
If birthdays, violence, and fantasy are all taboo things in JWs eyes, then FNAF must be a Jehovah's Witnesses worst nightmare.
I would say that if someone is going to stop being your friend over you eating a cupcake (assuming you didn't steal the cupcake) then they weren't your friend to begin with.
They're supposed to be 6 year olds and it's not like it's just about a cupcake. He's gotta tell them how sinful and wrong it is to be celebrating birthdays at all.
@@flameyay5207The dad is obviously a complete moron
Here in Mexico I live right next to a taco restaurant run by witnesses, nice people, tried to convert me and refused to keep me working for them when they couldn't, funny thing is I went ask them about lett's announcement about beards, the husband admitted he's gonna grow one now, her wife and I mocked he was waiting for this to happen, couldn't resist telling them not to get his hoped up since they change their mind so often like with organ transplants
My family is very religious and my stepdad is ex Mormon. when he first came over for Christmas, we decided that my grandma would explain why Christmas is so important something that she used to do every year back when the grandkids were little. and according to our family and our families virtues as it’s because Jesus was given life and given gifts, so we exchange gifts as a continuation of that celebration in the life we received from him.
I was raised like you were. I want to watch, and not get triggered, and that’s very hard! We have no culture, no family traditions, no true sense of acceptance. Being raised like that has such negative long term effects. But these monsters want to make it into a cute cartoon and serve it to children!
No birthdays Caleb, but you can now grown a big long beard. 🧔♀🧔♂🧔
Fun fact: when making Star Wars Return of the Jedi, people were skeptical about Admiral Akbar's design, the "It's a Trap" guy. They were worried that people would not gravitate towards this character, but George Lucas stuck to his guns, insisting that it was important to teach kids that a good person is not always necessarily a good looking person. As a result, we have a character that is far more memorable than the leader of the Rebel Alliance. The fact that you're struggling to remember who that was while reading this proves the point.
You should do a Ted talk, Owen. My brain has been blown.
That is such strange reasoning to say it’s because Jesus didn’t celebrate his birthday. Such a large section of each of the gospels is literally a celebration of his birthday, complete with people coming and giving him gifts.
Yep
Merry Christmas and Happy Yule!!!!
How do grow adults ever get drawn into this. Is it stupidity or something else?
this is how i grew up, but with a more aggressive approach to birthdays (or any form of celebration really). never got to celebrate my birthday unless it was far away from the part of my family that was JW. it still feels weird on my birthdays even though i'm not involved with the cult anymore, i kind of just don't really know what to do. i'm glad i have friends to stick by my side on those kinds of occasions.
I wish for all the birthday invites in the world to Caleb. Poor kid :(
22:54 nice cut to our Lord and Saviour purifying the Holy Paws.
17:00 the fear of God and Hell put me on a panic psychosis like episode that ran 5 months straight. so much adrenaline made the sunlight hurt my skin and at the worst, the only thing i could eat and keep down was popcorn. Lived on popcorn for 2 weeks straight.
I will never forget how i “traumatised”my Kindergarten peers when i denied to eat cake on someone’s Birthday “cause Jehova would be mad at me and Armageddon is about to happen any day now and i want to go to Paradise”
Thank fu*k their Parents explained them that my family is basically crazy and that they shouldn’t believe me, best to avoid me in general, i’m sure there were also some talks with the teacher how to handle those situations in the future -_-
4:00 what you’re describing here reminds me of what someone once said about liars, “a good liar will use as much truth as possible”
Being a good person isn't all it takes. "If you love me, follow my commandments."
Every holiday and birthday I celebrate hard to make up for those miserable years I was a depressed and isolated jw child and teen. I'm thankful and happy to be an adult today.
I believe his birthday was celebrated. huumm ! Angels were singing and gifts were given in fact gold frankincense & murr. Gifts given & singing indicate, Celebration to me!!
If i was born into a JW family i'd have been disowned by the time I was 5.
Same lol
16 year old here, born in a JW family and still in it, the amount of pain this religion has brought me so far is unbearable.
@@elianopepitoI hope someday you're able to leave that hell
i would've been disfellowshipped since the moment i learned how to talk in full sentences! as a kid, i was always questioning everything and wanted to learn every detail. i would not survive the JW life
When it comes to God's name, I think it's YHWH or the highway.
I think of gay Japanese cartoon p0rn. Yaoi
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I detect a theme in these....kids are sad, kids told to suck it up, kids are happy they are outcasts cuz Jesus.
Imagine worshipping a god that you think gets angry when you eat cake.
Jw is fucked up
"The bible only ever has negative things to say about dogs." Yet another reason to throw that book in the garbage!! >:O
(what, me, have a bias in favor of dogs? whatever gave that impression :P )
Why does the dad is this show sound like a vampire or something?
Caleb has a real reason to be sad. His parents won't love him if he is not a Jehovas wittnes 😢
I just found your channel and subscribed. I want to share my JW with you. My dad was JW and married my mom a Catholic. That didn't go over well at all but they didn't fully cut him off cause he was still JW. As an infant I had a serious health crisis and needed a blood transfusion. His family told him to let Jesus take me back if that's his choice. My dad left JW for good and got me the simple procedure to save my life. They disowned us. Acted like we were dead for years. When I was about 6 they let us back into their lives but it was never right to me even as a kid. I didn't know what happened till I was in my teens when my mom told me. They had tried to convert us a few times and my mom put the kibosh on that. I since have kept them at arms length. They later said they were glad I was still alive... Like... Thanks I guess 🙃
Reminds me of when my little cousin stood over the toilet hyperventilating because she lost a tooth and was afraid jahovea wouldn't love her anymore if she accidentally swallowed her blood! Traumatic 😢. Traumatized at the age of five for going through a natural thing. Smh
Wholesome angle: "cake has too much sugar, why don't you help daddy make some sugar-free Splenda cupcakes instead"
Wholesome? Splenda's nasty. Nothing wholesome about that.
I will have a birthday party just to invite caleb. His parents will have to let him participate.
"They have palm trees in the middle east or something?" Haven't you heard of date palms?
100% they have palm trees in the middle east, they just don't necessarily have some of the tropical varieties you'd see ... in the tropics.
3:48 In ancient times, birthdays were often associated with mysticism and spiritual significance. Many cultures believed that on a person's birthday, they were more susceptible to attacks by evil spirits. To counter this, friends and family would gather to give good wishes and gifts, which were thought to ward off these spirits. The act of giving gifts was seen as a show of love and goodwill, which could attract positive energy and good spirits.
It frustrates me how good these videos can be. I legitimately feel empathy for Peter as he wrestles between wanting to stay safe, while also wanting to stand by his friend and teacher. But then the show uses such a gutwrenching choice (which is fantastically animated, with great voice acting) and uses it as an excuse to mentally torment a young child for wanting to eat a cupcake. These two scenarios are not the same, and should not be treated the same.
How do Jehovah's witnesses defend the wise men bringing gifts to baby Jesus? I feel like that is a birthday celebration, or do they ignore that?
them rn 👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯
This is child abuse. If this kid has been made to feel despair and guilt over "thinking about sinning" then wait until he hits puberty. This kind of abuse creates sociopaths.
This kills me! 😅😂
Happy Birthday 🥳 on your next one! 😅 🎉 🎈 🍰🥳 🥃🍷🍾🎊🎈
Merry Christmas, Owen; Happy Holidays, and all the very best in 2024, to you and your family and friends! 🧑🎄🎅🎄🎁 🎉🥂🍾🥰💞🇨🇦
I love how you break down these things. My
Best friend since 1st grade is caught up in this and it hurts me when I see her passing this on to her children. 1 of which is disfellowed. At least she’s not willing to shun him.
Listening to you has answered a lot of questions for me thanks for your knowledge.
Not me getting an ad for a Prayer app 💀
This hurts my heart so much
What sucks most about Caleb and Sophia is how fucking likeable Caleb and Sophia are. Apart from that, the episodes are very competently made. The animation and directing are both great. If it wasn't religious propaganda, Caleb and Sophia could legitimately be a great show.
Let's make a ripoff where the duo invite their friends to have crazy magical adventures while trying to do their homework
it almost feels like a commentary; a kid friendly Moral Orel. they depict the childrens' emotions and fear so accurately, and yet, it's supposed to be propaganda. i can't see these cartoons being anything but disturbing for the non-JW kids they show them to
If you can't have cake then I don't want to be a JW even if they're correct (which they aren't)
Not only Birthday cake, but also Blood, yes the JW are the ones that have to decline Blood transfusions and yes even if it means that their own child will die
So the dad's point of the Bible story was "fear can make your faith waver", but he then uses it to put his son in a constant state of fear over his faith wavering?
By his own logic, it sounds like he's failing Jehovah by setting his son up to fail like that.
I was briefly friends with a girl in Grade 6 in one of the many schools I went to, who I now know was an extreme JW. No birthdays, no holidays of any kind. Plus, she got no lunch. She got nothing to take to eat and no money for any lunch, and she was sworn “to God!!” to take nothing from anyone. It was “a test for God” 🙄 No matter how often I offered her a piece of apple or some chips. This girl was shaking with hunger. This was the beginning of my realization: Religion is destructive bullshit.
Where is CPS
Man, hope u reach out perhaps, see if they are doing well, blessings
She had to suffer so that you learn.
If there were no muslims doing violent things, mormons believing in craziness, etc what reason would I have for not joining these religions.
I watch about WW1, WW2, various wars, I read the news. We learn from the bad experience of others. I look at such cases and decide "I don't want to be like them."
I prefer science and technology. It is better to learn about nature and learn how to use it rather than wish all your life for a utopia that doesn't exist.
The god of the bible sounds like a monster. How do people worship that?
Food/sleep depravation is a tactic used by cults like JW.
It's okay, Owen. I didn't get any Valentines cards either. I wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, my classmates just hated me. They threw out the cards I passed out too LMAO
Awe
Bottom line don’t have to spend any money on presents more for the church of the lost.
So the whole they thought gifts and treats would protect them from evil spirts is half true. The way we celebrate birthdays is kind of mix of a variety of traditions. It wasn't that they thought toys and treats would protect them from evil spirts but rather they would use noisemakers to keep them from ruining the fun of the celebration. Gifts were a way of connecting to others of the community & even as a means of checking in on neighbors like back in the day when people would take baked goods to their neighbors & recive them in return instead of going to get candy for Halloween festivities. Another tradition is that the candles on cake were in some cultures used to honor the gods. Maybe this is why JWs are taught to hate birthdays along with the belief that only bad things happen on birthdays
It’s just a cake!!! Good grief. Just chill out and have some fun.
The cake is such a terrible moral evil that it will bring about armageddon the moment you eat it. /s
I guess I'm a bit evil lol. I would always bring cupcakes on my birthday. And while the JW kids were like in the bathroom we would do the birthday song and such as then they would come back and I would make sure they got a cupcake, but because I was nice and I liked them.
LOL, there's a cat over there. I'm stoked for today. I'm going to my sisters. I'm bringing green bean casserole. Hopefully we can cook it at her place. So it's hot by the time we eat it. Merry Christmas Owen.
Marie Antoinette is typing…
9:04 Im not sure if this is true or not but I remember hearing somewhere that in hebrew “yhwh” is said like a breath, the “yh” being an inhale and the “wh” being an exhale, meaning that gods name basically means life
“said like a breath” to mean that you’re not really saying anything at all, just breathing loudly
I love the logic of "two people who were a**holes were a**holes on their birthday so now no one gets to celebrate their birthday ever".
I got my first present at 19 years old. Was very hard to accept it. I felt like I never deserved anything from anyone
Shaming like that is straight up child abuse!
19:08 ? The Catholic Church is one of the largest charitable organizationsin the world. It's the largest non-government provider of health care AND higher education in the world.
My ex husband's grandma was a jehovah's Witness. She said the only birthday we are supposed to celebrate is Jesus' birthday. Not celebrate Christmas...just celebrate it at Jesus' birthday. Don't give gifts to each other. It's not our day, it's Jesus' day. 🤷♀️
yes it’s called a commemoration, and quite literally we just sit there for an hour or so and pass wine and some bread to signify his passing or something 😀
@@jknniferI think that’s one of the reasons JW are not so popular in my country in comparison to Hare Krishna movement where every time you go there they feed you lots of food and on their holidays they make sure to serve like 5-6 courses. On Krishna birthday they even make 101 dishes and serve them all and in some temples in India they make 10k different dishes. It’s interesting that these are both cults originally started in 60-70-s but one of them evolved to be more fun friendly and happiness oriented.
What??? The H really does stand for Herbert? Where does that come from?? My husband (who has never had to church ever or was ever a believer) told me that; I thought he was joking! Now I need a video explaining this, please, Owen!
Happy holidays to you and your family 😊
Also some of the kids eyes are waaay too close together while Caleb's is perfectly spaced and smegging dimples on his cheeks to boot!
I don't see a problem with not celebrating birthdays, except when it comes to imposing it on kids and social isolation issues.
I had a classmate in 5th grade that was JW. I remember always feeling really bad for her that she couldn't participate in our holiday/birthday activities.
“Did Jesus ever celebrate his birthday?” “No.” What about Christmas lmfao
Oh my gosh the kitty
Love the Xmas tree!
They gave Caleb the bushy hair in the back to symbolize the rooster.
JWs: 🎂 = 😈
The absurdity is surreal.