Caleb and Sophia: no video games, no education. or else.
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Jehovahs Witnesses created a childrens propaganda cartoon titled caleb and sophia. In this propaganda cartoon, they discourage kids from playing video games or from pursuing higher education. that's not the only time they do it, either. In this video, i talk about what a governing body member had to say about higher education, as well.
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It breaks my heart how nice all the kids at school are (besides the bully) to Caleb and Sophia.
Always offering to share, play and help. Teaching JW kids not to trust the kids trying to help them escape.
The kids may not be thinking of rescuing Caleb and Sophia: they're simply being nice. But because they're outsiders, our young protagonists can't interact with them.
I wonder why they make them that way. Sure they want it to be realistic but that just turns people off
It's probably propaganda to not either trust or get too close to those who are nice.
@@teijaflink2226- They don't want their members to be friends with anybody outside the group.
Why do the parents allow Caleb and Sophia in public school if they don't approve of any kind of learning? Shouldn't both kids at home with Caleb learning how to chop wood and Sophia being trained how to wait hand and foot on all of her family members? I'm just a regular Christian/Catholic, so I don't get the JWs idiocy at times. They sound more like that crazy ufo cult from the 90s than followers of Christ.
You know it's ironic that supposedly God hates when you play video games when you realize that he plays The Sims every second of every day for all eternity.
Oh so that’s why I keep seeing that large emerald above my head!
@@Galvatron759 hopefully you haven't burned down your house while microwaving a bowl of cereal.
I hope God doesn't remove my pool ladder or I might drown
I like the insinuation that "God" doesnt understand us just like in the sims game where the "Humans" just talk gibberish, The only ones who understands each other are humans inside the game but to God everything is just muffled words.
@@imjonathan6745 that's funny
I enjoy knowing certain people fear me as an educated woman
I've just watched a video about Jordan Peterson.
The video and the comments below were just too depressing. Normally I jump in and start questioning people's positions, when faced with a tidal wave of nonsense, but I think I need time to recover before wasting my time on such drones.
ruclips.net/video/Io9gLVl4kX8/видео.html
It's kinda funny honestly
@@bigjalapeno7061 its grotesque! theres nothing funny about it! they dont want women to get educated so they can keep them submissive and "in their place". They are not actually terrified that a woman knows things!
"No video games" has permanently inoculated me from JWs.
I used to have a JW coworker. I was at her house one day, and her three kids were playing Goldeneye 64. To say the least, I was shocked that this would be allowed, and she simply said “They won’t have these in the New System.”
Yup. As long as video games don't overtake your real life, there's nothing wrong with them
Not even something as harmless as Harvest Moon or Bejewelled? Doom and GTA I can see a problem with but kids have always played those while still over a decade under the designated label, but simple farming or puzzle games??
Even if they're educational games like Mavis Beacon??? Sonic's Schoolhouse?? YGO??
@@smittykinsRight, this is something fundamental about JWs that needs to be understood, as someone who used to be one. They're very good at warping their own dogma into whatever they're personally comfortable with, and only getting mildly uncomfortable when the reality of that dogma is made clear. Part of why the Governing Body has become so prominent in the past decade or so has been to crack down on the moral relativism that kept a lot of people from having too much cognitive dissonance.
For me it was any religious leader telling me what I can't do ...nope I run my life not religious cult. 🤣
First time I met a someone who was a Jehovah’s witness was high school. I was always interested in theology and would ask questions. She was very kind and always willing to answer my questions. It was one of the only times I’d see her so open and social in that class. I don’t know what ever happened to her but I hope she’s doing well and watching these videos always reminds me of her. Weird what things stick with us as we grow older.
Yes, it’s very weird indeed.
Mine ended up marrying, he moved her into another country, she joined an mlm, is otherwise unemployed and has zero friends or family to turn to outside the Jehovah's because of the choice of country since it's bloody far.
I have a similar story. I remember meeting a girl in my mixed art class who was a JW. I also had an interest in religion from an early age. I asked her a ton of questions too. She eventually stopped coming to class and I found out her parents had begun to homeschool her. I was a bit heartbroken. I always think of her when watching these videos. I remember her from time to time in other instances. I wonder how her life is now.
The entire cult basically boils down to "There's an all powerful tyrant in the sky and you have no option but to solely dedicate every waking hour to that tyrant, love him unconditionally, think as he demands you to, and ostrasize yourself from the rest of humanity and live a miserable life or you'll be tortured for eternity. And if you disagree you are evil for the tyrant has declared himself good and he's all-powerful thus his evil is good"
Honestly, I cannot imagine a better argument that their god is evil than their own words.
Yup, the god of the JW's is *not* the God of the Bible, the god of the JW's is Satan, pure and Simple, and it sickens me that evil cult, which exists only to take the Name of God in vain, has not been outlawed and crushed! however in them we also see the Mercy of the Real God of the Bible, in that He does not just smite them dead on the spot, but instead, allows some of them to escape that Satanic cult, and hear the real Gospel from a Solid, Bible Believing, Reformed, Preacher, such as John Piper, so that they can be saved!
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It's a spit in the face to the Bible itself too lol
They actually believe in Annihilationism, so they aren't tortured for all eternity. Still horribly wrong.
@@RinsableCurve it does not matter what they Believe will happen, all that matters is what God says will Happen, and actual Bible is Clear as the Grave, unbelievers (such as the JW's) will be thrown into Hell, unless the Repent, and Believe the Gospel of Grace.
It's sick to me that they even compare a desire to get an education with a desire to buy a video game. Like they're the same thing. I mean there's nothing wrong with video games, but a kid wanting to go to college is much more noble a pursuit than wanting to play call of duty. And I think education is a right everyone should have the chance to get. It's really sad that this girl is denied education because of her religious parents. It's also troubling that they picked the girl to be the one to drive home the anti-education thing. Can't have girls being educated, right?
Excellent point about the examples used and how out of balance they are. Neither is ‘bad’ imo, though the weight of each is so different. Play a game, get a diploma ⚖️
In Afghanistan, girls are denied education. Seriously!
A but you see, the end of the world is gonna come _any day now,_ so should you really be focusing on _temporary_ worldly things like college or a good job, when you could be focusing on making sure Jehova's happy and lets you into paradise with all the good JW???
/s obviously
^100% But also completely wrong in the sense that they believe that education is a temp worldly thing. Like seriously!? Do they believe the stuff you learn in this life is just going to disappear from your mind or some such when you die or whatever? That makes literally no damned sense! I'm pretty sure that the stuff I've learned in this life is going to carry into whatever eternity I end up having, if such really exists. And if I don't have an existence beyond this, then it really doesn't matter either way. I rather gain the education.... heck.... I would even argue that getting an upper education (and did for me for a while as a regular Christian grow up) brings one closer to God.
Their argumentation for not pursuing upper education is so dumb and flawed. @@MsLilly200
Everything about their cult is sick.
For cults, ignorance is strength
The less they know of the outside world, the better.
Nature abhors a vacuum. Plenty ’O crap (religion) to the rescue.
Me, an intellectual: *Ignores the cult*
@@furcorn9804 Ignoring is sometimes not enough.
Just like 1984
I remember being told in a new Quaker church (Renamed the “Friends” church) that I was making the sims an idol because of how much I played it and enjoyed it. I was coping with the death of my brother. The last thing he gave me for Christmas was a toys r us gift card so I bought the sims 2 with it. Disgusting they were trying to make a 12-13 year old feel bad for coping by playing a game.
The Sims 2 is the best Sims. I'm glad you were able to have an outlet for your grief. And I'm so sorry you lost your brother, especially at such a young age. 😢
@nikkij3545 , yeah. I don't think people (especially seriously religious people) who don't realize how cathartic games can be. Especially now that the games are getting so good. I'm an older guy, have to tell people my own age, "..well, we're not playing 'Pong' anymore.." on a weekly basis. My own story pales in comparison to the loss of your brother, but here it is. I used to race sportscars IRL. I loved it. But it was seriously expensive, and when I got divorced, I decided I'd rather pay my child support instead of racing. And then a younger neighbor asked me to come play Gran Turismo 2 (should tell you how long ago it was! ;) ) with them. First racing game i ever saw that acted anything close to what a real car did.
Motor racing is often called an "addiction" by those of us who participate. The modern racing games are my methadone.
@@panamafloyd1469 Gran Turismo 2. Is that for the OG Playstation? Jw. ("Just wondering". NOT "Jehovah's Witness". 🤣)
Case in point the Christian moral panic over Dungeons & Dragons and Pokémon Go.
I thought the quakes were supposed to be good.
Why does JW portray people in the bible as white and not only white, so pale they never even seen the sun. 🤣
Ikr! I’ve wondered that too. I know JWs just like Mormons have a racist history. When I was a JW Bible student, I asked my teacher (who is Latina like me) why is Jesus depicted as white? Jesus, if he was real, was not white. He is Jewish with bronze colored skin and coarse hair, and middle eastern descent. JWs of all ethnicities & colors say they don’t notice color but yet they depict all the Bible characters as white, and they don’t see color, but yet they just like the Mormons, have the racist history & only 1 governing body member is black.. and he wasn’t even appointed till the late 90s…🤔also like the Mormon racist history, they use to think black or dark skin is a curse. But if you ask them about the racist history, they get mad at you for asking about stuff from the past. Their history.
It's not just J-Dubs. Blonde haired, blue eyed Jesus has been in Christianity since the middle ages.
the ol blonde haired blue eyed jesus.
That seems to be the trend in a lot of Christian media. Even God if given a human form is often a white man. Usually, elderly and looking like Odin from Norse religion.
The most unique design for a human version of God I've seen was from a terrible animated Noah's ark movie where he was portrayed as a mix of several races. That made sense to me and fit the whole "made in his image" quite literally.
The two DreamWorks movies at least made their Biblical characters Middle Eastern and Egyptian descent.
Target audience
I grew up mormon. I was taught that Satan was tempting Jesus in the wilderness not because he didn't know Jesus was the son of God, but because he was trying to get Jesus to give in to the temptation to flaunt his power. To "show off" and listen to the devils temptation. Just an interesting prospective I grew up with.
According to South Park, Mormon is actually the one true religion. It's Mormon. MOR-mon. =)
Pretty much the same from the Baptist side, only more specifically to get him to sin. Same basic idea.
Same in the Wesleyan tradition. I grew up in Wesleyan and Nazarene Churches and in Private Baptist Schools.
It is prideful to "flaunt your talents or power". It does get conflated with being proud of your accomplishments. I don't know how to explain it very well but it's like, if you win at a spelling bee, you will think you're a better person than everyone else. Thinking that you're a better person than everyone else is prideful. So you must humble yourself.
If I was ever proud of myself for winning and displayed any kind of overreaction, I was shot down pretty fast. Being an undiagnosed ADHD and autistic with communication problems, and wearing my emotions on display without understanding exactly what I was feeling, I was punished a lot in "the golden chair" or "with the rod of correction (a wooden paddle with holes in it)".
That makes more sense lore wise
I guess that is pretty interesting
Funny thing is that Sophia visualized the correct answer in her vision, she could have just tried that instead of leaving it blank.
It seems to me that JW are teaching their children that they can not trust their own thoughts and feelings. So Sophia didn't trust her vision enough to write it down.
@@victoriawilliams2786 That is exactly what is happening.
@@victoriawilliams2786 Honestly I had few moments like that, intuition pointed me into correct solution but I rejected it
@@realdragon I think most people have experienced that. I believe it teaches us to listen to our inner voice.
Yet she didn't end up trying in the end...
I have a JW grandma that used to force feed me Caleb and Sophia
And her telling me that God is always watching actually gave me really bad anxiety I'd feel like I'm being watched and stalked even in the comfort of my own room and I'd feel so anxious and paranoid as a child and I'd always be staring down my window
I hated that he was "always watching"
I'm not religious and don't have this problem now aside from my regular paranoia but I get how your sister felt
I hate how some Christians, not just JWs, are super pushy
@@bigjalapeno7061i totally get i nearly suicided as a Christian cause I thought I was a filthy sinner and felt alot of self guilt asking why was I born evil, matters worse i was then diagnosed with autism at 21 bye a preist😢 i dont feel autistic, i just suffer with anxiety the church made me feel through my childhood. I dont feel I am autistic and no one that I ask says I even look it. Im very smart i taught myself piano and music at 6yrs old and still go with it this day
@@mariah6608 there's no way to "look" autistic, you just have autism. maybe you can ask schedule an appointment if you really think it's something else. sometimes autism is misdiagnosed as something else, if you feel that is the right option for you then you should go for it.
however, autistic people are still smart. there are lots of autistic people who have made worldwide achievements (such as elon musk. i don't like him very much but he's extremely successful) and greta thunberg. you can be autistic & still make an impact on the world and showcase your intelligence :)
@@onepercentmaya means alot thanks (: I know im autistic but like Christians would make it out as if I have to be "delivered" from what im hearing, and the sad part is is i never wanted to be that cause you never wanted to be born a "sinner" as you had no choice.
I dont go to church now because I fear how people in there will think of me and think what God would think of me.
Yeah I dont like Elon musk, but I see what you mean.
I dont normally type to non religious people but you guys act more human then what the church really try and want to be perfect (:
I can’t imagine how lonely it must be to be a Jehovah’s Witness
Yea probably. It's sad
Somebody who was born into this - it is
As someone who is still stuck in this cult, it really is
Yes, adopted at 5 left when I was 13, saved by my sister. It was really not fun being told to go in the hall when the kids are doing valintines or xmas stuff. Hated every second of being a jehova witness.
i don't need to imagine it 🙃
I wonder if this kind of emotional abuse towards children could be used as a excuse for deprivation of parental rights.
As long as kids are fed, clothed, and kept reasonably safe, clean and educated, probably not. 😢
As a former CPS Social Worker I would say very highly unlikely without any other established abuse or neglect. Removing children is generally quite traumatic for them, even when the circumstances are bad so that decision is not made lightly.
As a witness who's told people that I was raised in the Jehovah Witness cult, once I say it's Christian they just immediately think it's an over exaggeration and say "oh yeah my parents are really religious too.
Then when you say you never get to leave your house and when you left all of your friends and family abandoned you, they still think it's an over exaggeration.
I hear "yo having religious parents isn't that bad" all the time
@@yung_wise5861No one takes emotional and spiritual abuse seriously enough... /:
@@yung_wise5861having religious parents isn’t bad at all! having parents that belong in a cult is fucking awful :( i’m so sorry you went through that, i’m so glad you’re out and i hope you’re safe ❤
My upstairs neighbor won a settlement recently with another person for SA with an elder of JW church. And when she reported it over and over, evidence of it being brushed under the rug was everywhere. She won the settlement, shes in her 40s now like me. She recently bought herself a home. But she still suffers a lot from the abuse
Thank you for sharing that
Well that's sad
Growing up I watched "Davey and Goliath", which was produced by the Lutheran Church, and loved it. Some episodes I remember to this day. I wasn't raised Christian, or religious in any way and I don't remember "Davey and Goliath" ever being overtly preachy, but instead emphasizing empathy, tolerance and understanding. Compared to that cartoon, this "Sophia and Caleb" is an abomination.
I remember that cartoon. I wasn't nearly as cringe as most Christian cartoons.
It would be called "woke" today because Davey has a black friend and a Mexican friend.
I don't think I've ever heard of that but it sounds interesting
@@bigjalapeno7061There's a few episodes here on RUclips. Episodes are 10-15 minutes and Art Clokey, of "Gumby" fame, was in charge of the animation.
@@LadyEvilestSadly, you're more than likely correct.
she knew the answer in her imagination, so she deliberately left it blank
That might not have been intentional. I'm thinking it was just an error
When you look at the other math problems that Sophia did answer, it doesn't make any sense at all that she didn't know how to do the one she left blank.
you happen to be a member?
@@faxmachineuser If you are asking if I'm a JW, the answer is no. I am an atheist. If you were asking something else, please clarify.
@lisahence he means if your a member of the channel
@@koopajuniorsavannah5170 thank you.
Another comment says: the answer is 42, that is the Answer to the Secrets of Life, the Universe, and Everything (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy).
tl;dr bro Sophia is this 🤏 close into getting out the cult lmao jk
Becoming an outcast, and falling into a cycle that makes it worse, guarantees that you bind more tightly to the cult. That’s why persecution complexes are so prevalent in religions.
We dont have a CULT
This is so ridiculous. My faith in human race just dropped. Nothing sadder than people being so happy to be slaves for some "god"
Plenty of them aren't this bad though. There's a lot of people who you'd never guess were Christian
Believing in God it's the problem; it's demonising anyone who doesn't and manipulating those who do that's the problem.
These videos really bring back memories. My parents became JW when I was in kindergarten and I grew up JW for the next 12 years, from 1973-1985 😢 I was never baptized and never bought into it. When I turned 18 I refused to be involved. Fortunately, my brothers and I were able to “deprogram” my mom.
I don't think the "bags" under the eyes are intended as such. I think the artists' intent is just to narrow the eyes. Narrower eyes than those of other characters is a common way to show that a character is evil or at least untrustworthy.
Maybe... Not entirely convinced by your argument, do to the inconsistency in this character designing. Like if you notice, the bully character doesn't have as pronounced bags.... because there are other traits he has that denote him as being an antag. Even the other two characters with the one holding and offering the GBA to Caleb don't have as big of bags under their eyes, they still stand out with other more background witnesses though. It almost seems like heavily veiled racism TBH.. as the gamer kids seem to be from minority groups with the gameboy one being maybe Asian (which would make sense as many popular games and devices come from those regions), and his friends being black (I forget what the third looks like)- which may be a hidden racist depiction of blacks being seen as violent thugs (thus violent video gaming).... So yeah, I'm not going to entirely dismiss it as just artistic character design because of this other factors that seem to be present. It's highly suspicious at the very least.
When i first saw it, i immediately assumed it was to make them look like drug addicts. Likening gaming to having an addiction and a seedy character. But when they panned to Caleb, two kids are visible behind him. The boy on the left clearly has them. While the girl doesn't seem to. And the cheesy puff bully also doesn't. You'd think he would definitely have them if it's an indication of being bad. 🤷🏿♀️
Interesting Yeah. I thought the drug addict thing too. Addiction so they are staying up late playing video games instead of getting proper sleep. Maybe the girl doesn't them because because the "girls don't exist on the net" and "girls can't be gamers" thought crowd.
As I said previously the bully doesn't seem to have them because they give him the bully tropes instead. So the bully is the 'big bad' whereas the gamer kids are just minions or 'common enemies'.
@@khandiieamerson1039
That would make sense
My impression is the kid is supposed to be Asian, but the cartoonist didn't depict it very well.
Every video I see I hope the best for these kids. Caleb plays Call of Duty and Sofia finally graduates college. They also cut contact with their parents bc they suck
Imagine having to "recover" from Philosophy 1 and 2. That really says something about a person's motivations.
School calls the parents- yeah Sophia flunked. Parents- As long as Jehovah is happy then she can fail school. Another great video OM. Cool, your initials are the OM sound of the universe. :) Google says so. 8-)
My universe sounds like "shazoooooom!"
My now adult children and I frequently discuss how I limited a lot of their video games--well...now they play GTA and Sims🤪🙄! I also threw out many video games and movies that I was taught were evil. I have a few regrets in life and this is one of them.
My parents used to be kinda strict with what I played and stuff but now I play Persona 5 and my 12 year old brother has been playing games like Skyrim and Civilization for years lol
Well no wonder horrible things happen in the world the angels are too busy monitoring videogames and test scores
You dont know everything about our religion bro
How do JW manage to produce every thing in-house and be self-sustaining when nobody can go to school??
No taxes and handouts. 100% funded from the people that get scammed in the church, makes it that much sicker.
I might be wrong but i think Nephilim are described in greater detail in the book of Enoch.
Anyway, yeah, Nephilim are half human, half fallen angel
yes they are, weird how it was removed at the Council of Laodicea
The Caleb and Sophia videos are your best work. In fact, I don't know anyone on You Tube that has devoted time to exposing Caleb and Sofia, except in passing...
One thing to point out is that during the time Jesus was trying to minister to people there were many who claimed that Jesus wasn't really the son of God and that he was just a man. I think when Satan is saying "If you are the son of God...." He isn't just trying to use what insecurities that he would have used otherwise to tempt Jesus like any other guy.
Or, they called the people who asked him to prove his claims "possessed by Satan". As cultists do when questioned in ways they can never adequately answer. And of course, this was muddled and left out of the writings made many decades after the events.
Back when I was in sunday school, it was explained to me that it wasn't that Satan was doubting Jesus to be the son of God, but that he was tempting him to use his powers to show off to everyone that he was the son of God instead of acting like a normal man.
@@Jeff-cn9upperhaps but satan means adversary, that’s the proper translation, so most likely, it was as the top commenter said, opposition saying he wasn’t the son of god, being referred to as satan. christian’s were not popular for like the first 1-200 years at all let alone jesus’ actual times
It makes some sense for the Jesus of Mark and Matthew. This Jesus seems more like a human who is 'adopted' or 'chosen' by God, who wants it kept secret, fails sometimes, and does not seek crucifixion. The conflation of God and Jesus only really starts in the book of John.
Here’s some Christian Lore for ya, about Jesus saying “why have you forsaken me?”
Apparently, when Jesus was on the cross dying for everyone’s sins, he was so covered in sin from taking them on that GOD, his FATHER, refused to even look at him. He essentially abandoned him as he died 😅
Because he is an all-loving God
@@kevinramsey417 lol, gottem!
My brother's theory is that he was just delirious
It’s just silly mythology
I had no idea but I see that as really “human” of God because even He couldn’t bear to watch his only son die a painful human death
14:38 As a teacher, you would NEVER say that to a student. It causes all sorts of problems. It isolates the chosen student, it puts pressures on them, it causes resent from other students, etc.
Why is green hoodie kid's eyes so big and creepy??
"What do we want the kids who arent in our cult to look like?"
"Make them look like aliens wearing human skin"
"BRILLIANT!"
Sophia is gonna have problems at the cash register when she tries to buy food at the supermarket when she gets older lol.
"No video games?" Well, no Jehovah's Witness for me, love video games too much 😎
But Sophia was proud that she wasn't proud.
Caleb and Sofia are using Disney rules: ugly is evil and beautiful is good. This is a tactic that conditions the audience so that the things in the video depicted as good or bad are reflected in reality. For the video game example, the video's intention is to conflate the most extreme version of a video game with every possible video game out there, so that a child like Caleb is deterred from playing them.
Indoctrination. Propaganda. Fear. It's plain and simple what they're trying to accomplish with these.
I think Sophia knew the answer to the maths question. When she had the purple dream sequence, the answer she imagined writing in was correct. So I don't think she was chewing her pen trying to think of the answer, I think she was considering whether or not she should write in the right answer and be top of the class.
Even my emotionally abusive, conservative, Catholic ex-husband would have a problem with this, since he was a Doom addict and had a huge collection of classic game cartridges and figurines
Doom is the ultimate Christian game, after all. Oofing and brutalizing demons and shii
@@blackroberts6290 That and Blasphemous, especially he's Latino (although he insisted he was Hispanic)
He should play Shadow Warrior.
Oh wow
Have you seen the speaker of the house Mike Johnson’s purity ball video with his 13 year old daughter? Omg sick!
Right, really not the right kind of father daughter relationship
3:15 I'm no longer Christian, but as an ex-missionary I can give you the answers I was taught to your two questions.
The first question, "Why did Satan ask Jesus to prove he was the son of God?" The answer I was taught was that it was meant to tempt Jesus to give a display of his power out of arrogance and/or anger. Like if someone went up to Mike Tyson in his prime and was like, "I bet you can't actually throw a punch. You're probably just a wimpy actor who fakes everything," and that person wouldn't leave him alone. Tyson might have been tempted to give that person a display of his "ability" just to shut him/her up. It's something like that.
The second question, "Why did Jesus talk about God forsaking him on the cross?" The church's answer to this claims that in that particular moment, Jesus took on all of humanity's sins. As a result, God the father turned away, because he can't abide sin and the penalty of sin (according to the church) is separation from God. So the story goes that Jesus in that moment underwent an agonizing separation from the "God the Father" aspect of God because he was accepting the dirtiness and penalty for everything any human has ever done wrong.
Again, I'm no longer a Christian and see *so* many problems with the whole gospel story, the history of the Bible itself, the cult-like aspects of the church, the literal hypnosis techniques used in the average church service, etc. But I do have the education/experience as a former full time missionary to know the answers - or sometimes non-answers - the church will give to most people's questions. Or at least the answers my former denomination would give, lol. Hope that helps.
What gets me is how "god" has to abide by certain rules...who made the rules again? I thought it was supposed to be "god". Sure, one doesn't want to be called a hypocrite, but "god" could have bent any rule at any given time. Why did "god" have rules governing its rights and powers? Kinda seems like they made this shit up as they went along..all of the humans that wrote the bible stories...
The real reason why Jesus cried out was because he wasn't supposed to die. At that moment when the pain got so overbearing, he thought he was going to. When Jesus drank the wine that was handed up to him, what that was, it was an anesthetic that literally knocked him out unconscious. He was still alive when he was taken down off the cross, but to the guards, he appeared to have already perished, and is why his legs were never broken. They broke criminals legs back in the day to speed up their death, for they could remain alive for 3 or 4 days.
@@morningglory9288 The idea that Jesus wasn't supposed to die or that the wine he eventually accepted would have knocked him out doesn't really fit with modern Christian theology for a number of reasons, both practical and in terms of fitting in with what the various gospels actually say happened. I could go into more detail about why that is, but it would be a rather lengthy post, so I'll refrain, lol. That said, it's entirely plausible that the historical man Jesus - if he did indeed exist - wasn't expecting to be killed. And we know the gospels have been significantly changed over time, so it's hard to know exactly what did or didn't happen back then.
Per modern Christian theology, Jesus had to die, the soldiers did a thorough job ensuring that he did die, and the only wine he actually drank was the tiny amount he could get from a sponge soaked in a type of vinegar wine that happened to be in a jar nearby, most likely to address the thirst of the soldiers themselves, who frequently drank such wine. But in reality, who knows what happened? Short of inventing a time machine, I guess we'll never know.
@nicked_fenyx I came across a RUclips channel who the speaker claims to be eye witness to the whole event. She is of the same source as Jesus and has come back to earth at this time to set matters straight as the bible is not entirely authentic. She claims Jesus was not meant to die on the cross but had to appear he had died to the guards so he could be set free. The timing his crucifixion took place, the people involved, everything was pre-planned so that he would survive his execution. The passover was the following day, and no one was permitted to remain overnight on their cross, so death had to come quickly, which was why the criminals' legs were broken to speed up their death. Nicodemus, Mary Magdalene were ready waiting for Jesus at the burial tomb with Myrrh and Aloes. These herbs have amazing healing properties which they applied to Jesus's wounds. Once he recovered to a degree, he was able to reappear to his disciples showing off his wounds to prove it was really him. He had to look different so one would recognize him, or else he'd truly be killed for real. After his fake execution, he went on to Asia and India, where he eventually died at the age of 80 yrs in Kashmir India.
I cannot direct you to the said RUclips channel or mention names as "you tube" deletes my answer immediately, but you can research his travels to India on other You Tube channels.
Oh, and just out of interest, Jesus did not die for mankind's sins. This too is a major lie that men who compiled the books of the bible together wanted readers to believe. There are many books that were purposely omitted from the common bible because they didn't fit the narrative men wanted to portray, and much of the scriptures in the bible is not truly authentic.
@nicked_fenyx Also out of interest, Jehovah/Yahweh/LORD in the Hebrew scriptures is actually Satan the devil. He was the one cast out of heaven when the rebellion took place. He once worked harmoniously with the true God of divine love....the woman or Mother/Source who birthed an androgynous child (neither male nor female) in Revelation chptr 12, but her male counterpart grew exceedingly jealous of her, desiring exclusive devotion for himself. He turned evil and at that point was cast out of heaven down to earth. This God at that point became Jehovah/Yahweh/LORD who is Satan the devil. It is why Jesus rebuked the Hebrews/Israelites and the false religious leaders stating they were from their father the devil who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning, and they did the works of their father. (John 8:44) It was also Jehovah/Yahweh/LORD/Satan who brought on the flood in Noah's day to destroy all the humans who were prospering at that time.
How long did Cain beat his brother? As long as he was able! HAHA! Love that one! Also I believe it was the Watchers group of angels that came to Earth and mated with the humans and then we got those monsters. Also note how the non JW kids in the vids have their eyes SUPER close together but Calebs and Sophia's are normal.. well, for their sized eyes anyway
George Carlin said it best..." So we're supposed to believe there's an invisible man in the sky, that gave us 10 rules that we must follow or be condemned to fire and burning and agony for eternity...bur God loves you!
Satan sounds kind of fruity
As for Niflheim I always heard it was angels that came to earth and had "special adult fun times" with women and the Niflheim were the result
Yes, according to the Torah, they were the children of angels and human women. I don't remember them having attacked humans, though.
I was always told that the angels came down to the city where the Tower of Babel was to be built, told them how to build a tower to god + gifted them other kinds of forbidden knowledge, fell in love with the humans and mated to create Niflheim, and that’s why they’re called fallen angels and why God had to mix everyone’s languages so that they could never know how to build another tower to God again.
Niflheim has nothing to do with abrahamic cults.@@KreativityFields
Basically they are what caused the flood and Noah ark
But how does.... Angel+human=demon? Does human negativity and evil outweigh the goodness of Angels that strongly?
I would've thought there was some other OP creature that was HumAngel or whatever.
I've noticed that Sophia is left handed. I noticed it before in other videos, so she's consistently shown that way. Do you think there is any particular reason for that?
You sign articles with the Devil with your left hand, so I'm surprised they didn't teach her to be left-handed
Tons of people who actually need help around the world.. and all of heaven's Angels are focus on the uneventful choices of two random kids 😐
Happy New Year, Mr. Owen Hope you enjoy your day. Keep up the good work.
“gO AwAy SaTaN”🖐️💅✨
Also why does Caleb’s dad have a strong Asian accent yet is depicted as white? So weird
Asian accent? He sounds more Latino/Hispanic to me. It's funny because C&S's dad's lineage/accent is a much debated thing amongst us, and similar channels.
He sounds like Dracula
16:24 - Funny you should mention you're into gaming now, I've seen a lot of that from survivors of different 'hard-core' Christian traditions. About 10yrs ago, my g/f and I had a pretty good vintage gaming suite. We invited a younger (ex-Catholic) buddy of mine from work to dinner. All through the meal, he kept looking over at our old Sega Genesis. We asked him if he'd had one as a kid. "Oh, no. My parents wouldn't let me near the things. I'd occasionally play at a friend's house, but got laughed at because I wasn't good at it." We immediately fired it up, plugged in Sonic 2, and told him to have at it. He played for three hours, almost teared up as we cheered him through the levels. He later said it was one of the best nights of his life. He's been playing ever since - and now that I'm in my 60s (my hands are arthritic now), he absolutely crushes me on FIFA. Makes me smile.
I love that Jesus is depicted as a white guy with a short back and sides. So accurate.
Man Caleb and Sofia Satan do be kinda fine
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The moment you paused and noticed Caleb had bags under his eyes was right after he gave into temptation and thus was as "bad" as the other kids
Sophie could solve that in her head.
I just purchase a computer version of Everdell, a board game. Basically, it's a game where four factions of different animals develop their cities. No violence, just building and developing. I have a feeling JW parents wouldn't even approve of THAT.
I know a couple of them,they argue with everyone and everything all the time.
It's impossible to have an adult conversation with eather of them.
When they die and realize they wasted there life. You only live one life. Life is so precious.
I felt the same way as your sister couldn't even use the bathroom without worrying about skyman watching.
Jehovah's witnesses gave up of nocking doors here in Portugal.
maybe theyre ignoring your door on purpose cuz they know who they dealing with. thats what they do... I cant explain it properly.
In Belgium, proselytism s illegal. So they MUST stopped knocking at the door.
But they're allowed to stay in the streets with their shelters, as long as they don't initiate the conversation with th bystanders (they're allowed to answer a bystander talking to them though. Proselytism is not answering someone, is engaging the interaction).
i love your video sm!!!! hope you and your daughter are doing well
Why did they make Satan look like Ben Kenobi?!?😂😂😂😂
I mentioned this on another RUclipsrs video. I play Pokemon Go and the local Kingdom Hall is a Pokegym. Those that attend are going nuts trying to remove the designation. It's hilarious. Those of us who play stand across the street in back of a supermarket to play. They actually called the police several times but the cops said as long as we don't go on the property or disturb their worship service we aren't doing anything wrong. Since most playets hang out at 5 minutes the most and leave I find it amusing the Witnesses are getting so hysterical.
My maternal grandmother is a jehovah's witness. Earlier this month, my mom was on her phone and I was watching, and a photos widget came up, and it had a picture of me as a little kid. I asked my mom to click on it, and it was a picture of me and my little brother in the car, I was probably six and my brother four, and my brother and me were watching my grandma's tablet in my lap. i looked absolutely livid and my brother was falling asleep. I made a comment about me looking mad being because my lil bro was falling asleep on my shoulder, and my mom said, "actually, you were mad because grandma was making you watch Caleb and Sofia on her iPad, and it was so boring that you got mad and (brother's name) was falling asleep." I think it says a lot about Caleb and Sofia, but I can't really put it into words rn lol
Imagine if there was a JW run private school
I'm honestly surprised there isn't one if stunting education is so important for them.
@@cryptbeast3222 surprisingly there isnt
I remember Owen saying that he was expected to try to convert his classmates at school since that's the only way people in gated communities could be reached.
Also, on average JW families are poorer than non-JW families (likely because the Watchtower hates higher education), so a lot of them wouldn't be able to afford private schools.
@@EnigmaticLucas I didn't mean a fancy private school, just a simple school within a witness community like many Amish communities have. I also don't see the recruitment through children tactic being very successful, it just seems to result in more apostates long term.
JWs exclude themselves from higher education and see careers as worldly. This means that they tend have low-paid jobs and would be unable to afford private education. As any expenditure on setting up schools is money that could just go directly into the organisation's coffers, there is zero incentive for them to set up such schools. Besides, the world is going to end any day now, so there's really no point.
16:13 Those kids looked like they were stoned.
To answer the Nephilim question
No, they were not created by demons mating with humans. It says in the Bible that the seraphim, angels, came down and fell in love with human women and that gave birth to the Nephilim. They’re not part demon they’re part angel.
It's literally impossible for spirit beings to have sexual relations with women. Its just not genetically possible. Besides the Nephilim were not violent, but peaceable, and is why the population of giants took off again in the land flowing with milk and honey....prosperous. (Numbers 13:25-32)
You're actually only half right. Yes they are part angel..... but that doesn't mean they aren't part demon.... demons including Satan himself are fallen angels. So seraph's that left Heaven to have children with human women which was forbidden, thus turning them into demons, as they weren't supposed to leave Heaven, nor have that sort of relationship with human woman- in some versions say it was forcible in nature.Neph's are their offspring... basically they are comparable to demi-gods like Hercules, but evil as they became bullies and tyrants of non-neph's IIRC.
"My God, my God why have you forsaken me?" is the opening line of psalm 22. Jesus was praying at that point. The first half of the psalm is one of lamenting, while the second half is of praise.
The Nephilim stuff is not made up by JWs exclusively, its part of the biblical apocrypha. The funniest thing about this though is if they know about the apocrypha, I find it fascinating that they chose these stories but conveniently skipped over any of the Gnostic gospels -- as it violates thejr beliefs. Ironically, those stories contradict what we're told Jesus and His mission were all about.
Religion for Breakfast is a great channel for more info 👌
All I was doing, was having dinner with my wife and I said "This piece of halibut is good enough for Jehovah!"
So, the Nephilim weren't a huge thing in the Bible, but they are mentioned in Genesis, as the children of fallen angels, and human women, before the flood.
3:20 No what satan was doing was trying to tempt Jesus because he served as proof that humans where deserving of gods mercy. That humans were not all evil. And satan wanted to prove that wrong.
In German it's still pronounced like the old Greeks used to; 'Jesus'
LOL
Games are not real life, destroying the universe in a game would not be a sin. No real people are hurt. End of discussion.
I'm my cult we were told that the nephelines were fallen angels (never called them demons which seems to contradict their beliefs) anyway the nepheline were "fallen angels" who are still angels, just not in heaven and have a lust for human women, thus leading to the creation* of the giants
But there were giants in existence long after the flood, they were the offspring from those giants of Noah's day. Also they were literally peaceable giants, and is why the Israelites had no problem taking land off them that was deemed prosperous.... flowing with milk and honey. Numbers chptr 13
@@morningglory9288 I'm confused... Why are we now talking about the flood? I just read the chapter and it doesn't describe the descendants of Anak as peaceable. It doesn't say they were all just willing to give their own land, I read a few chapters ahead and it seems they were able to get the land because god wanted them to. It mentioned nephlims but that was when the guys who were scared were trying to scare everyone else, they were explicitly lying to scare everyone else which ended up upsetting god (given I don't claim to know how much of it was intended to be a lie and which bits of it are true) I see a parenthesis pointing out that the descendants of Anak were giants and descendants of nephilim.
I'm lost here, (and honestly curious)
Would you explain the connection to the flood, and maybe a specific verse (or biblical version) that implies they wouldn't defend their land? Or correct me if I'm getting something wrong here.
THIS IS AN HONEST QUESTION
@Ares_V this may seem hard to believe, but I actually got my understanding from another You Tube channel where the speaker claims to be eye witness to events that occurred on earth. She comes from the same source as did Jesus and recalls her prehuman existence back literally billions of years. So she claims that Ham was one of the Nephilim who boarded the ark. The Nephilim were not violent at all, not how the bible portrays them, but were in fact extremely kind, peaceable and gentle. They were the first humans that were on earth, in fact they were the 144,000 who were sent to earth to assist the second creation of humans (descendants of Adam and Eve) how to read write, grow food, learn other life skills and advance in knowledge. They were truly advancing and prospering, which angered Jehovah/Yahweh and is why he brought on the flood. He wanted to wipe out the whole generation of people because they were truly getting ahead and achieving in life. The Nephilim being spiritual beings perished, but their spirit which is pure light was claimed back to the true God of divine love. Because water interacts with light, this causes diffusion and whatnot, so the rainbow was formed. The rainbow is a constant reminder to the true God of love (MOTHER or source) of her offspring, the 144,000 that perished in the flood.
Ham, however, was one of the Nephilim who boarded the ark. He was the reason giants reappeared on earth after the great flood as their genetics stemmed back to Ham. I'd like to tell you the name of the channel, but as soon as I send links or give out any information, You Tube deletes my answer. Perhaps you could private message me.....
Its amazing these people are able to get jobs with how delusional they are
I was indoctrinated in the Evangelical Penticostal faith. Raised to be a preacher.
Never heard of Nephilim until I started watching content such as yours online.
Keep it up Owen, I love the show and what you're trying to do.
You're a preacher? Is it okay if I ask a few questions? I don't want to stir any trouble, just curious
This cartoon gives off so much Incredibles vibes, especially when they're in that tiny car and the dad has to hunch
Angels: "Yay! We not only made kids fail and feel failure and loss, but we brainwashed them into acting so willingly! More sheep for the fold! The masters of our faith will face no questions and may shear them as they see fit! Hooray!"
As a Mormon I cannot comprehend living with the belief that you are mathematically condemned to Hell and responding to that revelation by living an utterly joyless existence.
Owen i love your cats!!!!
Please keep your cats in the videos, purrty please.
Man, you're awesome. you work hard to cover all these videos, beliefs, things they've taught. You're helping me heal and you're helping me, and tons of other people overcome it all. Thanks for everything you're doing.
Yea encourage him to just sit back and do this instead of actually doing something meaningful
@@bigjalapeno7061 if that's all you see, then you must be deaf haha
Wow, I get to add two more things that adults said I should worry about as a kid that never happened. Bullies trying to get me to play video games (most I met were more likely to take your handheld game and play keep away, just keep it, or break it), and randos in my classrooms just offering to help me cheat.
I think this part of 'gateway' behaviors that they fear. With the cheating thing, I get the feeling that the boy that offered the answer may have had a crush on Sophia. He wanted to help her cheat because he liked her or some such and that goes to not having those kinds of relationships with folks that don't share your faith (there's a verse in the NT about it). And with Caleb it's more like if you play violent video games then you'll start acting out in real life by joining gangs and shooting up real people in real life......
There's just so much layering going on in this cartoon lesson.
@@DigiVixen 58 years old, plenty of kids who had crushes and been crushed on, and at no point have I ever experienced a cheating incident where the person cheated from actually initiated it, DURING the test.
I would find an invitation to smoke weed under the bleachers to be more likely, and nobody I know of ever did that either. (They already had friend groups and did it together, they never just invited some random fellow student to join in.)
Well that's your experience. I just know of experiences, or claimed experiences of that's what they fear, whether or not those fears are _actually_ real or not. It's that whole idea of it. Plus my example with the cheating thing comes straight from the Chunin Exams in Naruto, where Hinata who has a crush on Naruto, offers to let him cheat off of her because she doesn't want him to fail the test, and thus not be able to be in her life as much anymore. Plus she knew that he was terribly bad at written tests... My thought is the boy may know that Sophia struggled with that particular math equation, and wanted to help her because he liked her and wanted to see her succeed.... Or heck, maybe she imagined the whole thing in her head because she might have liked him. @@kannbrown65
The “demon effects” on the cartoon soundtrack is making me lmao
*are making me sigh
First rule of Dictators tyrants and cult leaders....Create an enemy that only you can protect them form. Second...keep them ignorant and removed from the outside world.
Tony Morris was kicked out because of the video of him buying the alcohol. This is what Ive always thought at least.
Unless you have a parent like mine who looks right at the person and says you're not showing my child any form of propaganda I will however let you talk to her about your God because she is studying the world's religions.
When my mom got older, she was lonely enough to say to them “I’ll never go to your church but we can talk about your religion for awhile.” They gave converting her their best shot for a few weeks worth of visits, but they underestimated how stubborn she was. She liked having visitors, but she was never going to give up celebrating holidays.
Ive seen from other episodes you've covered that Sophia seems smart, too. How sad she is not encouraged to get an education
As an ex muslim, i can relate
6:24 "fall down and worship me, and all these Monopoly pieces will be yours!"
God is the ultimate source of hypocrisy and shit testing.
If my family was JW, I would have shocked them to their core when I was 7and 8 years old. Long story short, my Dad had a job in Thailand with a two year contract and took Mum, my brother and me with him. The King gave us a house to live in and everything. The first month there, I stayed with the other farangs(foreigners) then I got bored. So I took off and explored the neighborhood around Tha Prah, the closest village. I didn't know a word of Thai, but went out and played with the local kids anyway. Great times!
Hey, I'm early! I just wanna wish ya a happy new year :)
3:28
I remember seeing someone similar to this in i think paradise lost i know theres a wendigoon video on it with this exact or similar situation in one of those books but can't remember which one
The devils aura looks like sick dragon ball transformation lmaoo 😂
I love how they portreyed Satan a lot like Hades from the Disney Hercules LUL
I may be wrong, but the black hair and haircuts of the two girls who high-fived resemble Asians, and I got the feeling that this was a swipe at the "Tiger Mom" and the pressure Asian kids are often put under by their families to excel in education. On the other hand, I never experienced any racist language or behavior in the congregations I was forced to got to as a child and teenager. But who knows?
And I was definitely ostracized at school. Homeroom teacher made another JW kid and me stand outside the classroom while the Pledge was recited. Every. Day. This is an extremely damaging cult to young people.
This reminds me of the animated show from early tv, called Davey and Goliath.
Davey was the boy, and Goliath was the talking dog FULL of religious wisdom. It was pretty mainstrean general protestantism.
Made me feel paranoid.