Thats what my father said, He is 51 and he had his back injuried bad in the military, Its a very comfy car for him and he has been screaming through town with it
I mean honestly new cars clutches aren’t really bad as cars in the 80’s. Recently got a chance to own a manual 335 and I have to say it’s way easier on the back to drive than my 90 Miata.
@@v8_sami Gear box etc same as my 2017 GT86 and I can tell you GR86 clutch bite is very low, so would probably not be good for back issues, it also jerks until a bit of oil travelling through it after 5-10 mins.
Lady ran a stop sign an hit me going about 40. Totaled my 2022 GR86 Neptune blue. Just got done ordering my 2023 GR86 Turino blue premium. Arrives soon ❤
As a person with knee problems I’m happy with the 86 with an auto :), don’t let the auto scare you! Even if you don’t want a manual for other reasons, the auto isn’t bad! Don’t let other’s gatekeeping make you self conscious
I don't believe it's gatekeeping really. There are simply better options with a DCT for the same price if you cannot or chose not to row your own gears. VW and Kia/Hyundai offer similarly priced performance models with significantly improved shifting characteristics.
@@Blackdawn80 maybe “gatekeeping” is the wrong term haha but I’ve seen so many new buyers ridiculed for buying an automatic 86 chassis and it feels very disheartening to the car community. That being said, I have also seen some “autos are better than manual” people and they equally make me frustrated.
@@FeistyPineapple I personally feel a car like the 86 benefits from a manual. My brother had a 1st gen when they first launched with the 6M. It’s a shame the engine tuning and gearing were so frustrating. It looks like this one has all the right updates by Toyota and Subaru.
@@Blackdawn80 oh yeah! By all means its definitely a better experience in a manual! But if a person (such as myself) who has a knee issue or someone who simply prefers an auto in the 86 due to living in a metropolitan area then they should still get one :).
As a person with back, knee, and brain problems I am so glad to have an automatic option. Some days I just can't be bothered to have my left foot rest. Don't let other people embarrass you for having this model :)
@@aluisious the Civic Si is still a nice car and I love the manual option, but obviously Automatic transmissions have their appeal. I understand it too. Its just the internet car community that is filled with 12 year olds and people who are too obsessed with cars that makes them quite the hypocrites. Most people irl just appreciate the car, and people like me who don't care and have fun driving regardless
The older model i was all in the BRZ. But the new 2.4 one i have to say Toyota is winning me over. Interior, exterior and suspension tuning was all done better at the GR86s this time (imo)
I once had so many edibles that I was watching Sophie D videos and Sophie D came out of the screen and gave me the GWAK GWAK 5000 and I BUSTED LORD HAVE MERCY WHAT A SATISFYING EXPERIENCE THAT WAS WOULD RECOMMEND
@@santiBMTH11 yeah the 405 on a friday night or weekend night when there's events is down bad, i don't think a manual is good for people who cut me off all the time and being in gear
Have pre-ordered the manual BRZ but was only able to test drive the auto and it was still great, definitely still an upgrade from the previous generation.
The color is beautiful and I actually really like the taillights. It reminds of the the latest gen NSX. Glad to hear they've improved the automatic version. That's always been the downside of these cars if you didn't opt for a manual.
Love that blue colour very cool👍 the gr86 is looking amazing and i think it's going to be a lot of fun to drive. it's going to put a big smile on many people faces.toyota is bringing the fun back to their cars
I really don’t know why people feel they need an excuse or some kind of medical reason to get the auto. In Europe we learn manual as standard but when people get a sports car, it’s usually auto with paddle shift these days. And if you want that experience, GT86 is a great low cost entry point.
As someone who daily drives a manual, has a motorcycle and who spends an unhealthy amount of time on a racing sim rig. If the paddle shifter is responsive enough, I'll take it over a manual especially when all I want to do with it is drive curvy roads. Though, because you're now more focused on driving rather than shifting, you'll tend to drive faster into corners potentially entering corners too fast.
90s and 80s sports and performance cars are great with manual ,always the way to go . automatics now are much better then it was 20-30 years ago . paddle shifters are quicker then any human can manually shift . personal preference for anyone , whatever your comfortable with drive it , don't get a car just to try to fit in or be cool or feel accepted . if u like manual drove manual , if u like automatics drive auto , simple
Don't listen to the nobodies who think they are special because they drive manual. Manual is garbage and extremely overrated (in the US). EVERYONE, literally EVERYONE in Europe drives manual, and it is trash, the only reason we don't get autos is they are more expensive to buy and maintain.
Got a premium automatic in Pavement grey a few weeks ago and love it. I drove nothing but manuals for 15 years and just got sick of them. It's not the ZF8 that was in my Supra but it is a really good auto and to me doesn't detract from the fun at all.
SOOO EXCITED!!! Just purchased a 2023 86 Premium Toyota Red manual!!! Comes in next week!!! Manuals are sold before they even show up at the dealer but not today!!!! I FINALLY got one!!!😮💨😮💨😮💨❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. Wish you could add pics on here. Mad I didn’t get to test drive it but OMG can’t wait to see it! Not even 3 miles on it (they said). Traded in my 2015 Blue FR-S…hate to see her go but love to see her replaced!! 😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️
I wanted a manual one (speaking in the past tense because I’ve realized I can’t even afford a GR86) but after test driving the automatic I really liked it. It’s very responsive and can be super chill for cruising too
@@gabrielflores1149 any tips where to start (currently majoring for biology) but do need a way of income rn asap, I have a job but I want to feel secure bout going for this car in the video or a dodge Durango tbh
I own a 22 BRZ Auto. I've autocrossed it with no upgrades and have beaten locals with manual GR86's after 2 seasons. No one can convince me I'm not having fun or missing out on a thing.
Re: the transmission: "It's not bad..." Huh? From watching the tach and listening while accelerating, I'd say the upshifting of this automatic-equipped 86 is quick. To get upshifts that quick with a manual would involve slamming the lever into the next higher gear without waiting for revs to drop, which destroys transmission synchros (ask me how I learned that). Also, when trying for the best 0-60 time, any manual trans requires dumping the clutch at raised revs, causing excessive clutch and rear (in this case) tire wear, while the automatic can be jumped-on repeatedly from a standing start without the penalties. It may not be as fun and involving as a manual can be, but it looks to me like choosing this newly-improved '22 BRZ/GR86 automatic should no longer require excuses.
It seems to me reviewers like Topher and others from the USA seem to think that it is a "badge of honor" to drive manual in petrolhead circles and they need to keep pretending manuals are better in order to belong with the "cool kids" and not alienate their fanbase. It is weird when someone from Europe, like myself, is watching such channels. EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG drives manual in these parts.... It is nothing special, and it does not take skill. Up until recently you couldn't get a driver's licence here without a manual transmission. There is nothing special or "involving" in driving a manual, it is tedious, and from what i have seen, it is extremely rare that a driver can consistently get 0-100 acceleration times that match the official factory numbers, in the real world. This applies to all cars not just this GR86. Yes once in a blue moon drivers may match it, or perhaps even surpass it, but consistently at all times? Nope. It is far better to let the machine do its thing. And keep your whole attention and brain + hand coordination resources on the road.
Ppl hate on the automatic versions of these cars too much. Not everyone knows how to drive stick or live in congested areas where an automatic is more ideal
This is a true sports car! Finally! A car that champions driving experience over just horsepower or initial acceleration 😩 a real enthusiastic sports vehicle!
Im sure 90% of people who buy this car will go for the manuel but it is nice to see the review of the automatic. Im a car enthusiast so I do prefer a manual however having an automatic in a sports car isnt a bad thing either. Hense Supra. I mean its about the steering and driving quality and how it moves you on a turn or a corner. Sure a manual makes you feel how the tranmission is working but to be an auto can make you feel awesome too on a turn.
I love my GR! It’s my first sports car and I’m happy I got it when I did! I guess my only weird gripe is that when you drive the doors don’t auto lock. Which is a weird feature to keep out in modern cars. Not an issue tho I just lock it before I take off
@@harrybuhse8622 ahhh shit I didn’t know most of my cars I had before were either VW or Suzuki (with an occasional using my grandmas old caddy before she sold it ). This is my first yota!
@@serpent86 That's okay you're not the first person to make that remark. I drove a Hyundai a couple months back that auto locked and it freaked me out because I'd never driven a car that's done it lol
my first car was a Tercel MT, then I got an '01 NB MT which was soo much fun to drive. Life and priorities changed and now I have a '17 Mazda3 Sedan AT. Love the Mazda3, but I do miss the feel of a sports car. I'd love to own a GR86 one day, maybe an AT since I'm a travelling classical musician that is always caught in a lot of traffic. Nice to see the AT does come with paddle shifters
the brz sells in the number/figures as a future collectors item. A limited trim/spec 86 or brz will no doubt appreciate in value if kept in near stock form with low wear/tear. Cant say much about other cars these days. To me thats the hidden value of having one of these as a secondary option since they bring so much value as a drivers/car on the cheap as well as the low volume sale/future collectability aspect. For me thats the added value to this platform that others also dont bring to the table
It looks like it takes about a half second when clicking the paddle and the transmission shifting. That isn’t instantaneous like a dual clutch but it’s not bad at all. In fact it’s a very decent response time for a 6 speed torque converter auto and might be better with a TCM tune. It’s not a ZF 8 speed but it looks like an improvement over the previous gen despite having the denied downshifts which can be fixed by a tune if a company is willing to R&D it. I personally like it and think the paddle shifter designs look sporty and fit the car, but obviously a manual is the better option here given the performance and full experience. Still would go auto lol.
If I have a daily car like a Alfa Romeo giulia(my next purchase) I would swap my gr86 to a manual 86 instantly but it’s my only car rn and auto is perfect
it has a built in safety that doesn't allow downshifts above 4k. prevents damage and gives you 1k rpm of headroom in the next lower gear. the real issue is just that the gears are a bit too long... I get that it would be better if they allowed downshifts to redline, but to me that's really not a big deal and will be tuned out by someone im sure. I have a 600whp Supra in manual as the weekend car, and this car is still a ton of fun to drive in the mountains (manual mode AT), but then you can pop it into regular AT when you get stuck in traffic etc. You also get adaptive cruise and a bunch of other stuff on the AT that's way better for DD duty.
@@jonasbaine3538, the MT diff is the same diff for zenki 86/BRZ (4.10), and while the kouki manuals had the 4.30 that wont change the world with the auto (I'm getting one of these tho). to actually get the auto to perform more similar to the AT you need like 4.40 gearset or better. that said, second gen diff is a 3.90 vs the manual 4.10, so the changes are a least a bit more pronounced when upgrading.
Nah, more and more manufacturers are not using DCT. It’s fragile and def not suitable for daily use. the speed of AT gear shifting has been increasing considerably and its reasonable even from the standpoint of durability
Got my GR86 on order -- Arrived with a defective odometer cluster and the dealership is awaiting on a replacement part for it. It's been staring at me for a month now and I can't wait to set foot in it. Thanks for this review, it makes me feel a lot better about my purchase. Hoping nothing else is wrong with it besides that.
@@javierrosario6372 About... 7 months from Factory to Dealership. It's been a month since I haven't been able to take delivery because of the defect. It's been a brutal experience for me so far. :/
I neither prefer or dislike them. If the auto is good, then it’s good. In some cases, the auto is just bad (like the WRX’s CVT), so the manual is the only logical choice. In the BRZ/86’s case, the auto is decent, so it’s not a bad choice at all. In the Supra’s case, the auto is great, so the it’s a toss-up between the auto & manual.
Thanks for the great review. Would love a manual butanual labor took it's toll on me and can't do long drives with a manual thanks to knee issues. Nice work, thanks again.
Gonna try to get the Base GR86 2023 AT soon :) Its just so beautifullllllll to me. Also because this is a two door car, I honestly don't want anyone else to ride front passenger since I will have the seat down at all times including back seats for extra storage. I like to be alone when I am driving, it calms the nerve and relaxing while I bump up some music, especially for night drives too!
Thanks for the review. The black wheels match the black mirror caps on the GR models (versus body color mirrors caps on BRZ). One feature with the AT is when in 'sport' mode, the sound maker increases in volume - to the same level of the manual. The AT is a bit quieter of a car than the MT without needing to unplug the sound maker when driven normally/cruising. Lower engine RPMs at highway speeds help too. The Michelin PS4 are a big disappointment in terms of road noise and tramlining.
@@eliotgarcia21 and I'm saying I have michellin ps4s on my car and there is no tire noise much quieter then any other tire I've had and I have 3 cars with 3 types of tires
@@panagiotisf7228 and ur car is 1000lb more than a 86, more noise cancelling. Then again I’m not complains about the tyres. I don’t mind the noise when the music is on
i got the automatic only because there’s 6-10 manuals in the whole state of texas and all of them are sold and marked up over 7k like wtf, got my automatic msrp with just a reasonable 1.5k add ons and 1k for 7 year interrior exterior warranty
My hachi roku had a bug. 180 miles on ODO 2023. Psi on one tire reads 11 with warnings. Should be able to see with the naked eye. But it looks good. Feels solid like the other tires. Will need to recalibrate.
As much as I would love to drive one of these as a manual, I am kind of forced to have an automatic as I commute to my university 40 min away from me and the highway usually gets clogged with traffic when I go and leave, so a manual in that situation is not ideal
For me the Brz was easier because I could order and spec to my liking instead of a toyota waitlist and 1k markup plus uneeded accessories I almost went with the Mx5 RF. I've loved every single pov video of yours
@@arthurleonardmalijan5163 Incorrect, The have stock in Subaru.. that does not mean they "own" subaru. It's owned by Fuji Heavy Industries with Toyota a minority partner.
how did you get a Premium gr86 that's an automatic in your possession? It seems like dealers sell the base model with a automatic and a premium with a manual. I have never even seen a an automatic premium for sale lol. Topher has the connections apparently
I got a premium automatic in December with no markup. When I was looking for mine it was between the premium auto and 3 other base autos. It seems like there wasn’t many manuals allocated in my area.
@@alh06 yeah I don’t know around here it’s basically all the base models are automatic and the premiums are manual. I do remember seeing a couple manual base models though
Normally I'd go for the manual option if it was available, but in this case I would take the auto. The manual is probably the more outright fun option but the gearing on the 6 speed is too close together and it revs too high on the highway. This auto has perfect ratios, not to mention those quick, crisp, and consistent shifts and the snappy manual mode. I don't think the gearing is too tall at all, I think it's just right.
My 90s civic gets that mpg with bolt ons, thinking about getting an auto gr86 because it's cheaper, I prefer the manual but they are charging too much for a manual, great video, it help me a lot.
I have the same one in manual. Funny how the color looks 'dirtier' in this video. Still looking awesome though. I love the car, it's classy and elegant indeed.
How is the interior like? I've noticed many modern Toyota, Subaru and Honda cars including my 2020 Camry have awful plastic interiors that buzz and rattle like a 30 year old bus.
To me it's good to see a good automatic in an 86 because there are people who because of medical problems can't dirve manual, so I like that they are not being left out :), But for anyone else, just take the manual 🙂
At 12:02 it seemed ridiculous that this car didn't downshift to second gear. I wonder if it was a problem because he started turning the car or had his foot pressed on the throttle. I don't think my IS300 would have a problem in such a situation.
I thought that looked familiar, I work right near there. Get off at Sheldon everyday for work. Got a red FRS, soon hopefully I'll have my Neptune gr86.
As a person with back problems I am so glad to have an automatic option. Some days I just cant push in the clutch with my left leg.
Thats what my father said, He is 51 and he had his back injuried bad in the military, Its a very comfy car for him and he has been screaming through town with it
I mean honestly new cars clutches aren’t really bad as cars in the 80’s. Recently got a chance to own a manual 335 and I have to say it’s way easier on the back to drive than my 90 Miata.
i had back issue too.. i wish i could drive such sport sedan.. but i settled down with SUV ... (due to higher seat and lesser pressure to your back)
@@v8_sami Gear box etc same as my 2017 GT86 and I can tell you GR86 clutch bite is very low, so would probably not be good for back issues, it also jerks until a bit of oil travelling through it after 5-10 mins.
I am worried about back issues with just how stiff the ride might be.
As a person who enjoys the automatic option, I am so glad we've got the automatic option
Yeah me to… I grew up with manual, don’t understand the fuss
Is good to have automatic, especially when you live in place that gets car traffic all the time.
@@aluisious lmao
@@aluisious It's obvious you're still self-conscious about not driving manual.
Lol
Lady ran a stop sign an hit me going about 40. Totaled my 2022 GR86 Neptune blue. Just got done ordering my 2023 GR86 Turino blue premium. Arrives soon ❤
Lady practically gave you a one way ticket to an upgrade lmao.
Did she have to pay for the new one?
As a person with knee problems I’m happy with the 86 with an auto :), don’t let the auto scare you! Even if you don’t want a manual for other reasons, the auto isn’t bad! Don’t let other’s gatekeeping make you self conscious
I don't believe it's gatekeeping really. There are simply better options with a DCT for the same price if you cannot or chose not to row your own gears. VW and Kia/Hyundai offer similarly priced performance models with significantly improved shifting characteristics.
@@Blackdawn80 maybe “gatekeeping” is the wrong term haha but I’ve seen so many new buyers ridiculed for buying an automatic 86 chassis and it feels very disheartening to the car community. That being said, I have also seen some “autos are better than manual” people and they equally make me frustrated.
@@FeistyPineapple I personally feel a car like the 86 benefits from a manual. My brother had a 1st gen when they first launched with the 6M. It’s a shame the engine tuning and gearing were so frustrating. It looks like this one has all the right updates by Toyota and Subaru.
@@Blackdawn80 oh yeah! By all means its definitely a better experience in a manual! But if a person (such as myself) who has a knee issue or someone who simply prefers an auto in the 86 due to living in a metropolitan area then they should still get one :).
@@Blackdawn80 it’s like getting 7-8/10ths the fun still ^_^ so I highly recommend it!
You can see in the rear view mirror @ 18:13 that the old man admires the car cause he even turns around to look at it again
I wondered if anyone else noticed that.
My absolute affordable dream car. That blue is stunning
As a person with back, knee, and brain problems I am so glad to have an automatic option. Some days I just can't be bothered to have my left foot rest. Don't let other people embarrass you for having this model :)
The comments chain here 😅
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I mean most supercars sportscar are automatic too so Idk why some people make it a big deal if others purchase an automatic lol hypocritical
@@aluisious Civic owners in general
@@aluisious the Civic Si is still a nice car and I love the manual option, but obviously Automatic transmissions have their appeal. I understand it too.
Its just the internet car community that is filled with 12 year olds and people who are too obsessed with cars that makes them quite the hypocrites.
Most people irl just appreciate the car, and people like me who don't care and have fun driving regardless
I like how they made the auto look like a manual 😁
1:57 A car that is everyone's dream with many features that really support the driver.
The older model i was all in the BRZ. But the new 2.4 one i have to say Toyota is winning me over. Interior, exterior and suspension tuning was all done better at the GR86s this time (imo)
Facts
Good points but the suspension tuning doesn’t matter too much if you’re gonna throw coil overs or bags on anyway
As a person with back, knee, brain, wrist, and elbow problems, I am so glad to have an automatic option. Some days all the pain adds up
Dude it's a wonder you are still alive with that many problems lol
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I once had so many edibles that I was watching Sophie D videos and Sophie D came out of the screen and gave me the GWAK GWAK 5000 and I BUSTED LORD HAVE MERCY WHAT A SATISFYING EXPERIENCE THAT WAS WOULD RECOMMEND
As a person with no eyes, I’m glad they made an automatic option 😊
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as someone who’s stuck in traffic this option is the way to for me 🤘🏼
i commute throughout los angeles i can't picture it doing manual
@@zuhleratell me about , drive to Irvine everyday in bumper to bumper traffic
@@santiBMTH11 yeah the 405 on a friday night or weekend night when there's events is down bad, i don't think a manual is good for people who cut me off all the time and being in gear
As a person with wrist problems I am very glad this has an automatic version. My wrist can finally have a rest
as a person with problems, i am so glad they offered a automatic option
Have pre-ordered the manual BRZ but was only able to test drive the auto and it was still great, definitely still an upgrade from the previous generation.
The color is beautiful and I actually really like the taillights. It reminds of the the latest gen NSX. Glad to hear they've improved the automatic version. That's always been the downside of these cars if you didn't opt for a manual.
Right? I love Honda / Acura but after this new Integra debut I’m looking the 86 now :)
I am SO glad I ordered mine in this colour and not in black. It just looks FIRE!
Love that blue colour very cool👍 the gr86 is looking amazing and i think it's going to be a lot of fun to drive. it's going to put a big smile on many people faces.toyota is bringing the fun back to their cars
I really don’t know why people feel they need an excuse or some kind of medical reason to get the auto. In Europe we learn manual as standard but when people get a sports car, it’s usually auto with paddle shift these days. And if you want that experience, GT86 is a great low cost entry point.
As someone who daily drives a manual, has a motorcycle and who spends an unhealthy amount of time on a racing sim rig. If the paddle shifter is responsive enough, I'll take it over a manual especially when all I want to do with it is drive curvy roads. Though, because you're now more focused on driving rather than shifting, you'll tend to drive faster into corners potentially entering corners too fast.
90s and 80s sports and performance cars are great with manual ,always the way to go . automatics now are much better then it was 20-30 years ago . paddle shifters are quicker then any human can manually shift . personal preference for anyone , whatever your comfortable with drive it , don't get a car just to try to fit in or be cool or feel accepted . if u like manual drove manual , if u like automatics drive auto , simple
As a young guy who has no clue how to drive a manual, this car seems perfect for me
Bro learn and get the manual you will thank me one day. You will have more fun with a manual tractor then a automatic car
Get a cheap old car that’s manual and just learn. You’ll thank yourself. Driving automatic seems so soulless once you learn manual.
Don't listen to the nobodies who think they are special because they drive manual. Manual is garbage and extremely overrated (in the US). EVERYONE, literally EVERYONE in Europe drives manual, and it is trash, the only reason we don't get autos is they are more expensive to buy and maintain.
I can drive both. But auto is better for city drive
Got a premium automatic in Pavement grey a few weeks ago and love it. I drove nothing but manuals for 15 years and just got sick of them. It's not the ZF8 that was in my Supra but it is a really good auto and to me doesn't detract from the fun at all.
Was in my supra? You sold it?
@@frankfeng6199 Yup... got offered more than I paid and used the money to buy a house.
@@fifth11 fair enough haha! congrats on the house
@@fifth11 danggg that's great
Do you find that you have RTV issues with more spirited driving like people are saying?
SOOO EXCITED!!! Just purchased a 2023 86 Premium Toyota Red manual!!! Comes in next week!!! Manuals are sold before they even show up at the dealer but not today!!!! I FINALLY got one!!!😮💨😮💨😮💨❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. Wish you could add pics on here. Mad I didn’t get to test drive it but OMG can’t wait to see it! Not even 3 miles on it (they said). Traded in my 2015 Blue FR-S…hate to see her go but love to see her replaced!! 😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️
I wanted a manual one (speaking in the past tense because I’ve realized I can’t even afford a GR86) but after test driving the automatic I really liked it. It’s very responsive and can be super chill for cruising too
You can’t afford a $30k car? Damn man get into tech sales, starting salary is almost $100k and promotions every year. I just bought a ZL1. LES GO
@@gabrielflores1149 not when dealers are marking it up to 40k+ lol
@@gabrielflores1149 any tips for starting? Did you get a bachelors degree in engineering/sales?
@@gabrielflores1149 and not everyone likes programming...
@@gabrielflores1149 any tips where to start (currently majoring for biology) but do need a way of income rn asap, I have a job but I want to feel secure bout going for this car in the video or a dodge Durango tbh
I’m 23 and own a 2023 auto premium, All I can say is I love the damn thing. I don’t care about impressing anyone to smart for that
I own a 22 BRZ Auto. I've autocrossed it with no upgrades and have beaten locals with manual GR86's after 2 seasons. No one can convince me I'm not having fun or missing out on a thing.
Yet, you have an incorrect spelling...
Re: the transmission: "It's not bad..." Huh? From watching the tach and listening while accelerating, I'd say the upshifting of this automatic-equipped 86 is quick. To get upshifts that quick with a manual would involve slamming the lever into the next higher gear without waiting for revs to drop, which destroys transmission synchros (ask me how I learned that). Also, when trying for the best 0-60 time, any manual trans requires dumping the clutch at raised revs, causing excessive clutch and rear (in this case) tire wear, while the automatic can be jumped-on repeatedly from a standing start without the penalties. It may not be as fun and involving as a manual can be, but it looks to me like choosing this newly-improved '22 BRZ/GR86 automatic should no longer require excuses.
Well said and 100% accurate.
It seems to me reviewers like Topher and others from the USA seem to think that it is a "badge of honor" to drive manual in petrolhead circles and they need to keep pretending manuals are better in order to belong with the "cool kids" and not alienate their fanbase. It is weird when someone from Europe, like myself, is watching such channels. EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG drives manual in these parts.... It is nothing special, and it does not take skill. Up until recently you couldn't get a driver's licence here without a manual transmission. There is nothing special or "involving" in driving a manual, it is tedious, and from what i have seen, it is extremely rare that a driver can consistently get 0-100 acceleration times that match the official factory numbers, in the real world. This applies to all cars not just this GR86. Yes once in a blue moon drivers may match it, or perhaps even surpass it, but consistently at all times? Nope. It is far better to let the machine do its thing. And keep your whole attention and brain + hand coordination resources on the road.
I want to hear about how you learned that
Ppl hate on the automatic versions of these cars too much. Not everyone knows how to drive stick or live in congested areas where an automatic is more ideal
The point is you have no business in a sports car if you don’t know how to drive one. Automatic is not real driving
@@Jordan-dr9hq Driving is more than just shifting gears
@@hypr1 from someone who can’t shift
@@Jordan-dr9hq my first car was an 09 SI
As a person with problems I am so glad to have an automatic option. Sometimes the manual is just problematic.
If you don't know how to drive a manual, don't be scared, it's super easy to learn. I bought my first manual, having never driven one before.
Toyota really has been stepping up their game with gr86, gr yaris and gr corolla!
This is a true sports car! Finally! A car that champions driving experience over just horsepower or initial acceleration 😩 a real enthusiastic sports vehicle!
Im sure 90% of people who buy this car will go for the manuel but it is nice to see the review of the automatic. Im a car enthusiast so I do prefer a manual however having an automatic in a sports car isnt a bad thing either. Hense Supra. I mean its about the steering and driving quality and how it moves you on a turn or a corner. Sure a manual makes you feel how the tranmission is working but to be an auto can make you feel awesome too on a turn.
I love my GR! It’s my first sports car and I’m happy I got it when I did! I guess my only weird gripe is that when you drive the doors don’t auto lock. Which is a weird feature to keep out in modern cars. Not an issue tho I just lock it before I take off
I also thought I was the only one who noticed the fast blinking issue
That auto lock feature is more of a brand thing than a new car thing. I don't think any Toyota's do that.
@@harrybuhse8622 ahhh shit I didn’t know most of my cars I had before were either VW or Suzuki (with an occasional using my grandmas old caddy before she sold it ). This is my first yota!
@@serpent86 That's okay you're not the first person to make that remark. I drove a Hyundai a couple months back that auto locked and it freaked me out because I'd never driven a car that's done it lol
@@harrybuhse8622 my ‘18 4Runner does
people saying they happy they got an auto version as if 99% of cars aren't auto I'm glad it has both options for everyone
my first car was a Tercel MT, then I got an '01 NB MT which was soo much fun to drive. Life and priorities changed and now I have a '17 Mazda3 Sedan AT. Love the Mazda3, but I do miss the feel of a sports car. I'd love to own a GR86 one day, maybe an AT since I'm a travelling classical musician that is always caught in a lot of traffic. Nice to see the AT does come with paddle shifters
As a person not buying this car, I’m glad they have an automatic option
the brz sells in the number/figures as a future collectors item. A limited trim/spec 86 or brz will no doubt appreciate in value if kept in near stock form with low wear/tear. Cant say much about other cars these days. To me thats the hidden value of having one of these as a secondary option since they bring so much value as a drivers/car on the cheap as well as the low volume sale/future collectability aspect. For me thats the added value to this platform that others also dont bring to the table
Can't wait to get mine in 6 months
Definitely getting an automatic just as a daily since I’m already working on my s197 mustang gt
I love that the car is so awesome to modify; about to make this beast into something you see only in the Fast and Furious movies lol
front end looks better then the new Z. GR86 looks great all around.
I was waiting for this review!!
I was planning on buying a manual 86 very soon as my Tacoma is almost payed off, but now I'm kinda considering an auto
what did you end up going with?
As a person with a wife glad I will purchase an automatic so she can drive me around
😂 that’s hilarious!
It looks like it takes about a half second when clicking the paddle and the transmission shifting. That isn’t instantaneous like a dual clutch but it’s not bad at all. In fact it’s a very decent response time for a 6 speed torque converter auto and might be better with a TCM tune. It’s not a ZF 8 speed but it looks like an improvement over the previous gen despite having the denied downshifts which can be fixed by a tune if a company is willing to R&D it. I personally like it and think the paddle shifter designs look sporty and fit the car, but obviously a manual is the better option here given the performance and full experience. Still would go auto lol.
@@ACommenterOnRUclips yeah man I agree with you
If I have a daily car like a Alfa Romeo giulia(my next purchase) I would swap my gr86 to a manual 86 instantly but it’s my only car rn and auto is perfect
As a person person I’m glade they put a automatic version
it has a built in safety that doesn't allow downshifts above 4k. prevents damage and gives you 1k rpm of headroom in the next lower gear. the real issue is just that the gears are a bit too long... I get that it would be better if they allowed downshifts to redline, but to me that's really not a big deal and will be tuned out by someone im sure.
I have a 600whp Supra in manual as the weekend car, and this car is still a ton of fun to drive in the mountains (manual mode AT), but then you can pop it into regular AT when you get stuck in traffic etc. You also get adaptive cruise and a bunch of other stuff on the AT that's way better for DD duty.
Yooooo can I drive the supra??
simple fix for automatic is to just install the m/t frs differential that has a shorter final drive. that will make all gr86 automatic gears shorter
@@jonasbaine3538, the MT diff is the same diff for zenki 86/BRZ (4.10), and while the kouki manuals had the 4.30 that wont change the world with the auto (I'm getting one of these tho). to actually get the auto to perform more similar to the AT you need like 4.40 gearset or better. that said, second gen diff is a 3.90 vs the manual 4.10, so the changes are a least a bit more pronounced when upgrading.
great insight tho, i can use (manual mode at) when having fun and just regular AT when doing daily
I can’t wait. Looking forward to driving mines.
I really hope they're going to consider using DCT one day. The lack of bite in the Torque Converter is enough to be a deal breaker for such car.
Nah, more and more manufacturers are not using DCT. It’s fragile and def not suitable for daily use. the speed of AT gear shifting has been increasing considerably and its reasonable even from the standpoint of durability
once ecu tuning if available there should be transmission tunes to change shift points and agressiveness
Got my GR86 on order -- Arrived with a defective odometer cluster and the dealership is awaiting on a replacement part for it. It's been staring at me for a month now and I can't wait to set foot in it. Thanks for this review, it makes me feel a lot better about my purchase. Hoping nothing else is wrong with it besides that.
How long did it take you to get the car to the dealership?
@@javierrosario6372 About... 7 months from Factory to Dealership. It's been a month since I haven't been able to take delivery because of the defect. It's been a brutal experience for me so far. :/
@@AirWing was your automatic or manual?
@@javierrosario6372 Auto
@@AirWing how are you liking it?
I think those gear changes are pretty exciting and pretty perfect personally….
As a person who is just lazy, I prefer automatic over manual when it comes to newer 2020+ sports cars.
Me too haha
I neither prefer or dislike them. If the auto is good, then it’s good. In some cases, the auto is just bad (like the WRX’s CVT), so the manual is the only logical choice. In the BRZ/86’s case, the auto is decent, so it’s not a bad choice at all. In the Supra’s case, the auto is great, so the it’s a toss-up between the auto & manual.
I like manuals but I don’t like driving manual after a hard hike or leg day at the gym so auto it is lol
@@theconformist2399 tbh I don’t include CVT’s under automatic. Since rarely any real sports cars come in a CVT stock.
Hi, this is my dream car since i was 16. I will be writing this comment and I promise to be back here once I finally have this. Please root for me
i think putting a loud exhaust to this automatic will make it alot better than standard, cuz you can still down shift and hear the pops
You should look up the history for Trueno, you won’t be disappointed.
Thanks for the great review. Would love a manual butanual labor took it's toll on me and can't do long drives with a manual thanks to knee issues. Nice work, thanks again.
Gonna try to get the Base GR86 2023 AT soon :) Its just so beautifullllllll to me. Also because this is a two door car, I honestly don't want anyone else to ride front passenger since I will have the seat down at all times including back seats for extra storage. I like to be alone when I am driving, it calms the nerve and relaxing while I bump up some music, especially for night drives too!
Thanks for the review. The black wheels match the black mirror caps on the GR models (versus body color mirrors caps on BRZ). One feature with the AT is when in 'sport' mode, the sound maker increases in volume - to the same level of the manual. The AT is a bit quieter of a car than the MT without needing to unplug the sound maker when driven normally/cruising. Lower engine RPMs at highway speeds help too. The Michelin PS4 are a big disappointment in terms of road noise and tramlining.
I have ps4s tires on my camaro best tire I've ever had on a car you must be smoking crack
@@panagiotisf7228 you also have much more nose insulation, he not saying the performance is bad but the the road noise is.
@@eliotgarcia21 and I'm saying I have michellin ps4s on my car and there is no tire noise much quieter then any other tire I've had and I have 3 cars with 3 types of tires
@@panagiotisf7228 the PS4S is not the PS4. I love the PS4S. Devils in reading the details.
@@panagiotisf7228 and ur car is 1000lb more than a 86, more noise cancelling. Then again I’m not complains about the tyres. I don’t mind the noise when the music is on
I test drive the automatic today and it's fast af
Loved the balanced opinions as always.
i got the automatic only because there’s 6-10 manuals in the whole state of texas and all of them are sold and marked up over 7k like wtf, got my automatic msrp with just a reasonable 1.5k add ons and 1k for 7 year interrior exterior warranty
My hachi roku had a bug. 180 miles on ODO 2023. Psi on one tire reads 11 with warnings. Should be able to see with the naked eye. But it looks good. Feels solid like the other tires. Will need to recalibrate.
That dashboard is AMAZING.
As someone who wears Hawaiian shirts, I appreciate the automatic as it gives me more time to check myself out in the Mirror 😜
Nice Omega Speedmaster! Also, great review!
In this day and age very few people find manual transmissions interesting.
Am 70 years old hate manual cars automatic is for me it's a pleasure to drive all the time
I’m definitely going to get this car in around a month or two
True-no, welp, haven't heard that pronunciation before haha.
Anyways, love that we get an auto review from someone who also drove the manual.
this is 1 of my dream cars
As much as I would love to drive one of these as a manual, I am kind of forced to have an automatic as I commute to my university 40 min away from me and the highway usually gets clogged with traffic when I go and leave, so a manual in that situation is not ideal
For me the Brz was easier because I could order and spec to my liking instead of a toyota waitlist and 1k markup plus uneeded accessories
I almost went with the Mx5 RF. I've loved every single pov video of yours
subaru is stilled owned by toyota tho
@@arthurleonardmalijan5163 Incorrect, The have stock in Subaru.. that does not mean they "own" subaru. It's owned by Fuji Heavy Industries with Toyota a minority partner.
Hmmm...you keep forgetting about the Mazda MX-5 as another lightweight, affordable RWD car.
I agree: I prefer the Toyota styling better.
Wow the Sound is very beautiful
Thank you for the video ❤️❤️
Toyota memang paling terdepan👍
how did you get a Premium gr86 that's an automatic in your possession? It seems like dealers sell the base model with a automatic and a premium with a manual. I have never even seen a an automatic premium for sale lol. Topher has the connections apparently
I got a premium automatic in December with no markup. When I was looking for mine it was between the premium auto and 3 other base autos. It seems like there wasn’t many manuals allocated in my area.
There’s been a few on dealer lots. My friend bought an auto premium GR86 back in March.
@@alh06 yeah I don’t know around here it’s basically all the base models are automatic and the premiums are manual. I do remember seeing a couple manual base models though
premium automatics are everywhere man
Normally I'd go for the manual option if it was available, but in this case I would take the auto. The manual is probably the more outright fun option but the gearing on the 6 speed is too close together and it revs too high on the highway. This auto has perfect ratios, not to mention those quick, crisp, and consistent shifts and the snappy manual mode. I don't think the gearing is too tall at all, I think it's just right.
Reminds me of the old, classic Celica. In fact, Toyota could call this car “the new Celica” and be totally convincing.
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9:53 downshift
11:54 sport mode:traction off
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I guess the harder you break.. the harder the downshift. Someone reviewing on RUclips was displaying it.. its pretty cool.
Idk if anyone has mentioned it yet BUT Trueno is pronounced “Tru-ee-no” :3 thanks for the video! Great car!
My 90s civic gets that mpg with bolt ons, thinking about getting an auto gr86 because it's cheaper, I prefer the manual but they are charging too much for a manual, great video, it help me a lot.
That’s what I have in Neptune blue. No regrets!
I have the same one in manual. Funny how the color looks 'dirtier' in this video. Still looking awesome though. I love the car, it's classy and elegant indeed.
Idk why some people despise automatic I use automatic for traveling and work and manual for hangouts and just having fun
How is the interior like? I've noticed many modern Toyota, Subaru and Honda cars including my 2020 Camry have awful plastic interiors that buzz and rattle like a 30 year old bus.
I’d rather buy auto for daily drive and use paddle shift. How do you think? Must buy manual?
Awesome vid! 👌
Traffic is an issue in my area so... that's the only thing holding me back for the manual
As a person with no car, i would gladly take an automatic🤙🏿
A dual clutch like Hyundai's N cars would remove any automatic uncertainty.
To me it's good to see a good automatic in an 86 because there are people who because of medical problems can't dirve manual, so I like that they are not being left out :),
But for anyone else, just take the manual 🙂
There’s a lot of traffic near me so I don’t wanna live with the extra work from a manual
At 12:02 it seemed ridiculous that this car didn't downshift to second gear. I wonder if it was a problem because he started turning the car or had his foot pressed on the throttle. I don't think my IS300 would have a problem in such a situation.
Beautiful car and nice review. Just wish you could buy one, or anything similar, w/o a big markup and having to wait.
I thought that looked familiar, I work right near there. Get off at Sheldon everyday for work. Got a red FRS, soon hopefully I'll have my Neptune gr86.
Throttle controller and a tune will fix what ales you, if you are a automatic type of guy! which is nothing wrong with that.
I prefer the red accents and stitching in the BRZ more actually. The silver interior doesn't tickle my fancy.