Thanks for the massive unboxing! I wish CMON would put some more thought into post opening storage for the most likely purchased combinations. Was hoping that Heavenfall would have had a ton of room in it to hold most of the other smaller boxes minis but it isn't the case. It's kind of ok if the smaller boxes are designed to be more cheaply made if there is enough room for the components in the main box or the main box plus the largest expansion. I was able to do this with other big box games and even other CMON games but MD and now MD2 haven't gotten the memo.
I paid around $130 for the base pledge and shipping. I noticed the smaller boxes are very thin and cheap feeling. Everything else seems fine to me, but I haven't backed a ton of games. I was really impressed with what I received for my base pledge. The hug bear was included in the base pledge. It wasn't an additional buy. Fey folks were also included with the base pledge as stretch goals or "free" unlocks. Monks and Necromancer was also included. Bard and Tinkerers were too. And of course, the Darkbringer pack. Lots of content for the base pledge. I watched some of the previous unboxing for MD2, and this one today. I learned a few things from you about the different types of materials used in printing, and such. I did feel like you were too critical of things I was really happy with, overall. Then again, I guess you have a segment of your audience who really wants you to micro-analyze every detail and run it down or praise it all. It was just too detailed of a critique for me to sit through all of it, so I eventually stopped the first one. Watched the second one at double speed, skipping the sets I didn't get with my base pledge.
x opening a box up and saying "This box is way too thin and cheap feeling. I question its quality and longevity." On the next box, "this box is too flimsy too." That kind of critique is valuable. To go on and on about it is too much for my taste. But to each his own. KOA is independent and puts out solid content.
My total order was $440 usd, all in with 3d tokens and the card organizer which I could never do without now that I have it. 2 minor breaks and 1 missing model but overall pretty happy. Gameplay has been stellar for us though, simple but fun as expected. Just a good dice chucking time, theres just nothing like grabbing 15 dice and throwing them into the tray!
I think the problem are all getting different quality. My friend had the bottom half of all his cards in the core cut off, to a point were you couldn't read half of what the cards did.
I just spent the better part of a day and a half unboxing my bling all-in. I have heard mostly pessimism from a lot of the early videos online. But I was really impressed with what I unboxed. I thought the minis were quite good, the cards had a nice finish, and the tokens felt sturdy and punched out easily. I liked the way some of the minis were packed with styrofoam peanuts to protect the spiky bits. Even the dragon with his…mustache, I guess? came out great. I liked the first game and this one seems surprisingly similar but with some gameplay changes that I am hopeful for. Overall, I’m really happy with my purchase. I actually like that the smaller boxes are light but more than just card stock quality. There is a ton of plastic here and a ton to throw away when unboxing. I really think the smaller boxes are set up to be recycled nicely. They did their job well-nothing arrived bent or missing, which I can’t say about some other recent KS (Machina Arcana and Joan of Arc both arrived with significant errors). I think I just need to stay away from pessimistic videos and not let them taint my opinion of a game I’ve already bought into. I’m not really the audience for reviews anyway, since I’ve already made the purchase.
100% don't ever let someone else's opinions ruins something for ya if you can help it. I actually purposefully avoid any pictures or videos of a game I've not unboxed yet for just that reason. If people are complaining about something then that's all I'm goin to see when I unbox it and then I'm just regurgitating the issue instead of speaking my mind.
I got the All-In like you did. I try to forget what I paid, lol. I appreciate the unboxing because I didn't get a chance to go through everything but seeing your video made me double check my minis and my pieces. Thank you as always for being so thorough!
I hope yours are to your satisfaction! Trying to forget what we pay for sounds like a much healthier way of living - I should try it sometime haha :D I always go and look it up and then normally feel bad lol
I just unboxed Perseverance, and they too had the extra sheet for the back of the box with more things printed on it. Maybe its a new customs rule and they already had the boxes printed, so they quickly had to print out some sheets with more required info.
Huh, perhaps then! Surely if they had known they needed the other languages in small print they'd have simply put that on the box in the first place I'd think.
It’s to do with different regions and differed formation required to be on there. This happens a lot in Canada where they print the boxes entirely in English but are required to have French on it as well so they do a paper sheet that gets placed in like that. Makes it easier for manufacture and assembly. Personally I prefer this anyways cause then I can just throw out the French stuff that I have no need for.
So shiney!!!!.... Been sitting in the Orlando sun for a month before it shipped. Thought the same thing with Fing Fang Foom, my daughter got the Barbie camper couple years ago and I think I'm still suffering carpal tunnel from the unboxing
The female bard isn't holding a weapon behind her. She's actually holding her bow behind her in a flourish that she would be using to play the instrument she's holding in front of her.
I don't have this game, but do people really toss the expansion boxes. I tend too keep all my expansion boxes, unless their is a big box solution for all the content.
I still plan on cleaning up the the Hug Bear to smooth out the rough part. It's cartoony so shouldn't be too hard to paint rather quickly. Would be nice to do the whole expansion before playing it.
My total was $196. Was originally going to sell the base game, but changed my mind because of hassle of so many boxes without a "horde" box like zombicide does.
A pro of the expansion boxes being of such "lesser" material is that it makes the boxes much easier to be just get rid of (less waste?) and condense things into fewer boxes. 😆
Hey KoA, do you read comments on old videos? I just purchased the Massive All In version of MD2 from a game store in Texas for $450 plus $100 shipping via UPS to MO. So $550 for new in original boxes. The KS said that version was $490. Its basically every option they had for it including the 3d doors, bridges, portals, card holders, card sleeves, etc. But Im not sure how much extra shipping was for it from CMON. So I either got a good deal or broke even. It just shows how much markup is on the KS that they can sell to game stores and the game stores can still make a decent profit and still price it $50 less than the KS price. How much did you play yours? I like these easier dungeon crawl games sometimes when I just want to enjoy chucking dive and feeling powerful. I've read it's a very easy game. Plus I like painting minis.
Heya Tim! I do indeed :) That's an awesome deal! Best of all, you got the product right away while the rest of us had to pay a year in advance. That's worth noting! Sadly I did not play it too much. What I did play was super fun but the setup time was too much for me these days it seems so once we packed it up the first time after a few sessions it didn't go back. Hope you've been enjoying it!
The size of that demon dragon is the scale they should've used for the Great Old Ones from "Cthulhu: Death May Die." Also.... I WANT ANOTHER SEASON OF D,M,D, !!!!! We didn't get ANY versions of Nyarlathotep. And as for Bokrug.... let's be real the D,M,D, Bokrug with that size scale IS Bokrug as a tadpole.
Well.... I really appreciate the rainbow tiles, they attempted to catch the whimsyshire D3 vibe. But it seriously doesn't belong in anyone's house. It should be available at game clubs, cons and other big events. It's an epic unboxing - over 2 1/2 hours of fiddling with gray PVC. You can use this to start a plumbing career once you get tired of yt ♪
So many of the minis run just left to right with the thinnest of 3rd dimension. This was really noticeable with the expansion boxes. Look my arms are out to my sides or my weapon goes to one side with my cloak to the other. I know they can do better.
All the boxes are made of cardboard. Some of them are made of light cardboard because heavy cardboard isn't required due to the contents. Also, a box that folds together so nicely that it doesn't require gluing is a box that has been awesomely designed. Once again this second part is obviously done with a deliberate negative attitude towards everything, complaining about environmentally friendly packaging, complaining about the graphic design, bagging the work of the character designers or just not understanding the complexities of working with moulds to produce miniatures. Then of course you forget the fact that we want to pay as little as possible for our massive board games, so to be able to manufacture cheaply we turn to China, where quality control isn't always the best, especially over the last couple of years with all the disruptions, but no easing of demand. I look forward to you unboxing a non-CMON game with such a negative attitude.
Thanks for your unbiased unboxing (wink). All joking aside, I do like these videos for games I also received. Minis good pretty good. They clearly cared for the bigger ones more.. i also find it odd the core box often is the cheaper one, maybe because it goes to retail?
22:09 Definitely something weird with that hugbear casting. By your left thumb there's a strange flat part across the back where there should probably be fur.
Hi another great video! Again...how it's possible to present this kind of boxes to the public? This is not a chip game. Do you consider to make a review of the gameplay?
The folding expansion boxes in MD2 are exactly how they were for MD1. I thought you owned MD1, did you just not bother to double check? Nothing to complain about as the entire MD set matches. What would suck is if it was all mismatched.
I do have MD1! But I combined boxes long ago. You're right, but I still don't like the packaging at all. I don't see any issue with a sequel improving on the packaging material used in its boxes. We could be on Massive Darkness 27 and still have to match the boxes from 2017? Nah I'm okay with improvements :D
My biggest issue with the game is how hard it is to organize. Opened up all the gameplay expansions for a campaign game and spent significantly more time setting up and tearing down than we did playing the actual quest. In fact, I gave up putting it away so it just spent 3 weeks on the top of my shelf with everything thrown into the lids.. It's a shame, as it's supposed to a "more casual" dungeon crawler experience, but without buying an organizer it's going to be so hard to table again. Oh it was also VERY annoying how, in order to play the campaign, you have to refer to two rulebooks for setup..
I bought a couple of plastic organisers for the tokens and dice. Going to make inserts to sort cards, components and minis down to minimum amount of boxes.
@@TheKingofAverage it was okay, haven't played it since. Found it hard to get into a good flow as I was always rummaging through boxes for minis or tokens or rules. Will buy an organizer when I can find one and give it another go then. It did make me wonder if I should just stick to the base games for future Kickstarters..! but, I probably won't. 😅
I am growing concerned that all future CMON games will have these quality issues. I wonder how people will take it if they receive their Marvel Zombies game and it has issues. Well….we know they can’t ask for replacements.
Update: I actually found this game and most of the expansions at a game store I had not been to before. It was priced pretty close to the Kickstarter but decided to still not get it.
Storage is my issue with this game right now dont want to just toss all the mini togethers, but also dont want to have to pull out a dozen boxes each time we play. That being said played the game twice this weekend and enjoyed the game play
I split the minis into a few boxes. I also put into storage all the minions as they make the game finicky. If your willing to play without them that cuts down on a lot of needed storage space and hassle.
And Advanced Heroquest back in the 90' had the exact same type of boxe... and today they are in a pretty bad condition. GW often use this type of boxe, even today, even for games costing 120€ and more...
I threw them out years ago, just had to check and you are right! So the boxes are just as cheap as they were back in 2017, good to know I guess :D Often I like to see improvements over time, especially to at least keep pace with a company's competitors.
377.73USD for 206 miniatures and about 1k cards. Not to mention all of the tiles, tokens, trays, etc. think I'm quite ok with that deal at this quality. You just aren't going to regularly find truly high quality minis for $1.70 a model (not counting any of the cardboard in the cost analysis as I didn't buy it for the game part). Reaper Bones Kickstarters will be a bit better quality for a little bit more cost, but no associated game. The biggest travesty that I totally agree about is the lack of purple on the rainbow tokens!
haha those rainbow tokens :D Anastyr just funded and the all in was $400 and has 269 miniatures and Mythic game's minis are hands down, by a mile, better quality than any one of these. This is just not competitively priced for the quality IMO.
just over $400 and mine hasn't arrived yet, so I can't really say how satisfied/unsatisfied I am. I will say that I thought Cerberus and the Horsemen would be a little larger than they appear to be, so that's a little disappointing.
Anastyr just did 286 minis for $400 and Mythic's minis (once they actually make them) are so far above these it's a whole other tier. I am frustrated I paid what I did for this. I hear the game is good and I'm excited for that, but it's not priced competitively at all :(
I didn't I got a refund, when they added VAT and Shipping my pledge cost was double what I was expecting to pay, so I said nope not for a lighter game.
It looks to me like there are some awesome minis in here (some i really like anyway) but most suffer from being very 2 dimensional to make them stupidly easy to mold. Its a shame as the detail in basically there. Also, it wouldn't have hurt to put a texture on the bases... having them with nothing seems very lazy these days. Hope the game plays well and everyone can enjoy it.
I thought that this thin cardboard is very good. Not so much cardboard and better for recycling. We stored the game in 2 boxes and most parts in a toolbox
I'm not an advocate for shipping in large bulk just so the consumer can throw out the cheap containers and condense it smaller. That's a larger issue to tackle though when it comes to taking up way more space than you need when shipping.
I cancelled my all-in pledge before the campaign closed. What I really wanted was a CMON branded Diablo game. But the decision to mix Catholic themes together with Greek/Roman was a huge flavor fail for me. Just pick one. It all came off as “Religious Cultural Appropriation: The Game”.
Mhm. Then at the end after the tinkerers were added and such I eventually came around to backing this for the pet class and my kid's enjoyment over my own.
I paid $1 and got... nothing. I have most of MD1 and have only played it once, finding it boring. I understand MD2 was meant to improve on this, but the change of art style and having to learn/teach such different mechanics for each class put me off.
Its weird cmon game play seems to in general be getting better, while the material quality declines. Its also odd how all over the place their mini quality is even just looking at more recent games. DMD and Ankh had good quality miniatures. MD2 and Bloodbourne were rather meh and straight up bad by comparison. I expect Trudvang will be pretty bad and no idea where Zombicide wild West will land. The only thing I can think of I would back from them at this point would be more DMD.
I was so impressed by DMD that it drove me to go all in on this one. A lot of the minis here are fine, but definitely a step down from DMD. I'm with you!
I have skipped all CMON crowdfinded games. Unfortunately, I skipped ANKH. I believe this was the only last premium quality game without extra shipping shit and a very good price. Everything else from there (ans maybe blood borne before it) is a miss.
Meh! This seems on par with CMON quality. The boxes can be glued or reinforced if you plan to keep them. The miniatures are not bespoke high-end display quality miniatures. These are board game miniatures and for what they are they are good enough and a some sand paper or tools can fix the issues. I would not expect the quality to be better. I am not a CMON fan and do not own the game, but I would knock the game too much from what you showed. Everything can be fixed. I hope the game plays well otherwise the miniatures alone will not save the game. More concerning is if you take the time and expense to prime and paint the miniatures, the storage is terrible and it will ruin your hard work. Thus, you need a different storage solution. The storage is made just to keep things from breaking during shipping not as a way to store the miniatures long term after you painted them. That for me is the worst about this unboxing but it is not unique to CMON.
I am new to your channel, so I wasn't certain about your conclusions. I watched Part 1 and now this one (Part 2?). It seemed like you would spend a lot of time saying you "appreciate" something, or this is really cool, etc., and spend a little time complaining about the boxes or lack of texture or gluing here and there. It just seemed that you spent 60-70%+ time praising the work and the rest being critical, which is fine, but then you summarize the unboxings as "The worst game I've ever unboxed" and "Could it get worse?" Those titles didn't seem to match the bulk of the comments you made throughout the two videos. I like that you are up-beat, but after watching the unboxing videos, I didn't come away with this being the "worst." I guess if this is the "worst," you've had it pretty good with all your game unboxings. If it is horrible and terrible, maybe summarize at the end all the horrible and rotten things, or don't title it as a bad thing. Please help me, a new subscriber, understand your summary comments (in your titles) better. Thank you.
Welcome Kevin! First of all THANK YOU for counting to positives I say. Often, as is human nature, we only focus on the negatives. You bring up a point I want to start doing: Summarizing my thoughts at the end of my unboxings. I, as you can hopefully see, treat them almost as a component review thanks to being far too obsessed about these things. And you're right, in general the games we get at this tier are excellent products. And as you'll see in my future videos, especially reviews, I mention pros and cons for most everything. Nothing is all good, or all bad really. :) As for why it's the worst: It earned that title by having more issue components than any other game I've received at this scale. That is, I often get games like this, and often there is a miniature or two that are "iffy" but this one has many with melted details, or bad assembly, or bent swords or whatever. It'll take me several hours of work to fix just the minis up. Coupled with being a sequel to a 2017 and yet having worse components it's just kind of a big bummer on that front. THANKFULLY the game sounds super fun and I'm still excited to play it :D
@@TheKingofAverage I would love to see a follow-up after you re-glue some of the minis (like Cerberus) to make them look better. And, of course, hoping that the game plays well so it kind of makes up for the lack of quality in some areas. Now, on to watch a few more of your recent videos. Thanks!
Thanks for the massive unboxing! I wish CMON would put some more thought into post opening storage for the most likely purchased combinations. Was hoping that Heavenfall would have had a ton of room in it to hold most of the other smaller boxes minis but it isn't the case. It's kind of ok if the smaller boxes are designed to be more cheaply made if there is enough room for the components in the main box or the main box plus the largest expansion. I was able to do this with other big box games and even other CMON games but MD and now MD2 haven't gotten the memo.
I paid around $130 for the base pledge and shipping. I noticed the smaller boxes are very thin and cheap feeling. Everything else seems fine to me, but I haven't backed a ton of games. I was really impressed with what I received for my base pledge. The hug bear was included in the base pledge. It wasn't an additional buy. Fey folks were also included with the base pledge as stretch goals or "free" unlocks. Monks and Necromancer was also included. Bard and Tinkerers were too. And of course, the Darkbringer pack. Lots of content for the base pledge.
I watched some of the previous unboxing for MD2, and this one today. I learned a few things from you about the different types of materials used in printing, and such. I did feel like you were too critical of things I was really happy with, overall. Then again, I guess you have a segment of your audience who really wants you to micro-analyze every detail and run it down or praise it all. It was just too detailed of a critique for me to sit through all of it, so I eventually stopped the first one. Watched the second one at double speed, skipping the sets I didn't get with my base pledge.
i think people really should learn to be more critical. I watch KoA because he's actually capable of independent thinking.
x opening a box up and saying "This box is way too thin and cheap feeling. I question its quality and longevity." On the next box, "this box is too flimsy too." That kind of critique is valuable. To go on and on about it is too much for my taste. But to each his own. KOA is independent and puts out solid content.
I think they should have marketed those boxes as eco packaging.
My total order was $440 usd, all in with 3d tokens and the card organizer which I could never do without now that I have it. 2 minor breaks and 1 missing model but overall pretty happy. Gameplay has been stellar for us though, simple but fun as expected. Just a good dice chucking time, theres just nothing like grabbing 15 dice and throwing them into the tray!
I think the problem are all getting different quality. My friend had the bottom half of all his cards in the core cut off, to a point were you couldn't read half of what the cards did.
Excited to play it for sure! I enjoyed the first even, so this is almost a given I feel.
"Hopefully this will go a lot quicker" 🤣 2 and half hours 🤣
HAH! Famous last words. At least this was more than just 1 freaking box like last time :D
I just spent the better part of a day and a half unboxing my bling all-in. I have heard mostly pessimism from a lot of the early videos online. But I was really impressed with what I unboxed. I thought the minis were quite good, the cards had a nice finish, and the tokens felt sturdy and punched out easily. I liked the way some of the minis were packed with styrofoam peanuts to protect the spiky bits. Even the dragon with his…mustache, I guess? came out great. I liked the first game and this one seems surprisingly similar but with some gameplay changes that I am hopeful for.
Overall, I’m really happy with my purchase. I actually like that the smaller boxes are light but more than just card stock quality. There is a ton of plastic here and a ton to throw away when unboxing. I really think the smaller boxes are set up to be recycled nicely. They did their job well-nothing arrived bent or missing, which I can’t say about some other recent KS (Machina Arcana and Joan of Arc both arrived with significant errors).
I think I just need to stay away from pessimistic videos and not let them taint my opinion of a game I’ve already bought into. I’m not really the audience for reviews anyway, since I’ve already made the purchase.
100% don't ever let someone else's opinions ruins something for ya if you can help it. I actually purposefully avoid any pictures or videos of a game I've not unboxed yet for just that reason. If people are complaining about something then that's all I'm goin to see when I unbox it and then I'm just regurgitating the issue instead of speaking my mind.
I got the All-In like you did. I try to forget what I paid, lol. I appreciate the unboxing because I didn't get a chance to go through everything but seeing your video made me double check my minis and my pieces. Thank you as always for being so thorough!
I hope yours are to your satisfaction!
Trying to forget what we pay for sounds like a much healthier way of living - I should try it sometime haha :D I always go and look it up and then normally feel bad lol
@@TheKingofAverage Haha it works! Most of what I saw so far is not bad. I watched you unbox and did mine at the same time!
I just unboxed Perseverance, and they too had the extra sheet for the back of the box with more things printed on it. Maybe its a new customs rule and they already had the boxes printed, so they quickly had to print out some sheets with more required info.
Huh, perhaps then! Surely if they had known they needed the other languages in small print they'd have simply put that on the box in the first place I'd think.
It’s to do with different regions and differed formation required to be on there. This happens a lot in Canada where they print the boxes entirely in English but are required to have French on it as well so they do a paper sheet that gets placed in like that. Makes it easier for manufacture and assembly.
Personally I prefer this anyways cause then I can just throw out the French stuff that I have no need for.
I don’t care about the boxes ! I fit everything into the main and sg box . Tossed the rest in the trash !
So shiney!!!!.... Been sitting in the Orlando sun for a month before it shipped. Thought the same thing with Fing Fang Foom, my daughter got the Barbie camper couple years ago and I think I'm still suffering carpal tunnel from the unboxing
I payed 200 for mine , the only reason I wasn't upset by the cheap boxes , is because I 3d printed a custom insert for it.
The female bard isn't holding a weapon behind her. She's actually holding her bow behind her in a flourish that she would be using to play the instrument she's holding in front of her.
@kingofaverage I tried to bend my leg to match that female mini towards the end and now it's in a cast, thanks a lot!
It's all in the stretches first man :D
@@TheKingofAverage probably should've made my leg from PVC instead of ABS
I know it's already a long video but would be cool to have a final thoughts on quality per box, like an outro slide?
That's a great idea! I'll note that down :)
@@TheKingofAverage bueno
Looks good. Hope the game is fun. Good minis to learn to paint with so I don't ruin my warhammer stuff!
I paid €145 for the core box + Darkbringer box from Ebay, including shipping.
Looking forward to the review 😀
I really enjoyed these detailed unboxings for Massive Darkness 2. Are there any miniatures you are looking forward to paint?
I don't have this game, but do people really toss the expansion boxes. I tend too keep all my expansion boxes, unless their is a big box solution for all the content.
I still plan on cleaning up the the Hug Bear to smooth out the rough part. It's cartoony so shouldn't be too hard to paint rather quickly. Would be nice to do the whole expansion before playing it.
The rules to combat in eldritch horror is also a concept.
Part 2 O.o?!?!?! Well at least it's a Sunday. Theses are awesome vids
hehe hope you like it! :)
My total was $196. Was originally going to sell the base game, but changed my mind because of hassle of so many boxes without a "horde" box like zombicide does.
A pro of the expansion boxes being of such "lesser" material is that it makes the boxes much easier to be just get rid of (less waste?) and condense things into fewer boxes. 😆
This game did not condense well. Too many of the figures have wings and other sticky-out bits.
@@justinvenable917 Room and Board did a good job of condensing the game down
@@lyg Room and Board only got the base pledge though
Hey KoA, do you read comments on old videos? I just purchased the Massive All In version of MD2 from a game store in Texas for $450 plus $100 shipping via UPS to MO. So $550 for new in original boxes. The KS said that version was $490. Its basically every option they had for it including the 3d doors, bridges, portals, card holders, card sleeves, etc. But Im not sure how much extra shipping was for it from CMON. So I either got a good deal or broke even. It just shows how much markup is on the KS that they can sell to game stores and the game stores can still make a decent profit and still price it $50 less than the KS price.
How much did you play yours? I like these easier dungeon crawl games sometimes when I just want to enjoy chucking dive and feeling powerful. I've read it's a very easy game. Plus I like painting minis.
Heya Tim! I do indeed :)
That's an awesome deal! Best of all, you got the product right away while the rest of us had to pay a year in advance. That's worth noting!
Sadly I did not play it too much. What I did play was super fun but the setup time was too much for me these days it seems so once we packed it up the first time after a few sessions it didn't go back.
Hope you've been enjoying it!
It looks awesome, I could just dream about md2
The size of that demon dragon is the scale they should've used for the Great Old Ones from "Cthulhu: Death May Die."
Also.... I WANT ANOTHER SEASON OF D,M,D, !!!!!
We didn't get ANY versions of Nyarlathotep.
And as for Bokrug.... let's be real the D,M,D, Bokrug with that size scale IS Bokrug as a tadpole.
Well.... I really appreciate the rainbow tiles, they attempted to catch the whimsyshire D3 vibe.
But it seriously doesn't belong in anyone's house. It should be available at game clubs, cons and other big events.
It's an epic unboxing - over 2 1/2 hours of fiddling with gray PVC. You can use this to start a plumbing career once you get tired of yt ♪
HAH! Genius I'll do just that :D
Best quess the sheets on the back are likely to cover the QR codes.
So many of the minis run just left to right with the thinnest of 3rd dimension. This was really noticeable with the expansion boxes. Look my arms are out to my sides or my weapon goes to one side with my cloak to the other. I know they can do better.
mhm it's far, far cheaper to make them that way.
Being a father of a five and an eight year old I watch this video the same as others. Needing to pause every other ten minutes and while I do stuff.
Hah! I know the feeling :D 4 kids here and they can be a handful :D
All the boxes are made of cardboard. Some of them are made of light cardboard because heavy cardboard isn't required due to the contents. Also, a box that folds together so nicely that it doesn't require gluing is a box that has been awesomely designed. Once again this second part is obviously done with a deliberate negative attitude towards everything, complaining about environmentally friendly packaging, complaining about the graphic design, bagging the work of the character designers or just not understanding the complexities of working with moulds to produce miniatures. Then of course you forget the fact that we want to pay as little as possible for our massive board games, so to be able to manufacture cheaply we turn to China, where quality control isn't always the best, especially over the last couple of years with all the disruptions, but no easing of demand. I look forward to you unboxing a non-CMON game with such a negative attitude.
Thanks for your unbiased unboxing (wink). All joking aside, I do like these videos for games I also received. Minis good pretty good. They clearly cared for the bigger ones more.. i also find it odd the core box often is the cheaper one, maybe because it goes to retail?
22:09 Definitely something weird with that hugbear casting. By your left thumb there's a strange flat part across the back where there should probably be fur.
Would be really interested on your thoughts on gameplay and the campaign expansion
Well…it’s Massive.
It's dark sometimes too! :P
These 2 videos makes me happy I canceled the Zombiecide Marvel pledge.
I mostly pledged it to paint it.
But nah. Im good
I sincerely hope they turn things around and produce it really well, but sadly that's not been the trend line with them :(
Hi another great video! Again...how it's possible to present this kind of boxes to the public? This is not a chip game. Do you consider to make a review of the gameplay?
The folding expansion boxes in MD2 are exactly how they were for MD1. I thought you owned MD1, did you just not bother to double check? Nothing to complain about as the entire MD set matches. What would suck is if it was all mismatched.
I do have MD1! But I combined boxes long ago. You're right, but I still don't like the packaging at all.
I don't see any issue with a sequel improving on the packaging material used in its boxes. We could be on Massive Darkness 27 and still have to match the boxes from 2017? Nah I'm okay with improvements :D
My biggest issue with the game is how hard it is to organize. Opened up all the gameplay expansions for a campaign game and spent significantly more time setting up and tearing down than we did playing the actual quest. In fact, I gave up putting it away so it just spent 3 weeks on the top of my shelf with everything thrown into the lids.. It's a shame, as it's supposed to a "more casual" dungeon crawler experience, but without buying an organizer it's going to be so hard to table again.
Oh it was also VERY annoying how, in order to play the campaign, you have to refer to two rulebooks for setup..
I bought a couple of plastic organisers for the tokens and dice. Going to make inserts to sort cards, components and minis down to minimum amount of boxes.
When playing the actual game, was it at least good though? :D
@@TheKingofAverage it was okay, haven't played it since. Found it hard to get into a good flow as I was always rummaging through boxes for minis or tokens or rules. Will buy an organizer when I can find one and give it another go then.
It did make me wonder if I should just stick to the base games for future Kickstarters..! but, I probably won't. 😅
Do you have a cliff notes version?
Expansion minis by and larger are better. Cheap paper boxes in 2022 aren't so great and several got dented. I'll need to fix some assembly issues.
I am growing concerned that all future CMON games will have these quality issues. I wonder how people will take it if they receive their Marvel Zombies game and it has issues. Well….we know they can’t ask for replacements.
Update: I actually found this game and most of the expansions at a game store I had not been to before. It was priced pretty close to the Kickstarter but decided to still not get it.
150$ca and I made a mistake... I've chosen the french version... still in production....
Storage is my issue with this game right now dont want to just toss all the mini togethers, but also dont want to have to pull out a dozen boxes each time we play. That being said played the game twice this weekend and enjoyed the game play
I split the minis into a few boxes. I also put into storage all the minions as they make the game finicky. If your willing to play without them that cuts down on a lot of needed storage space and hassle.
The expansions boxes were exactly the same in MD1.
And Advanced Heroquest back in the 90' had the exact same type of boxe... and today they are in a pretty bad condition.
GW often use this type of boxe, even today, even for games costing 120€ and more...
I threw them out years ago, just had to check and you are right! So the boxes are just as cheap as they were back in 2017, good to know I guess :D
Often I like to see improvements over time, especially to at least keep pace with a company's competitors.
@@TheKingofAverage yeah, what i would realy like from CMON is the kind of boxes in Tanares adventure were there is space to store the expansions !
377.73USD for 206 miniatures and about 1k cards. Not to mention all of the tiles, tokens, trays, etc. think I'm quite ok with that deal at this quality. You just aren't going to regularly find truly high quality minis for $1.70 a model (not counting any of the cardboard in the cost analysis as I didn't buy it for the game part).
Reaper Bones Kickstarters will be a bit better quality for a little bit more cost, but no associated game.
The biggest travesty that I totally agree about is the lack of purple on the rainbow tokens!
haha those rainbow tokens :D
Anastyr just funded and the all in was $400 and has 269 miniatures and Mythic game's minis are hands down, by a mile, better quality than any one of these.
This is just not competitively priced for the quality IMO.
Mythic, Lazy Squire, Ludus Magnus all have games with far better minis for roughly the same price.
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just over $400 and mine hasn't arrived yet, so I can't really say how satisfied/unsatisfied I am. I will say that I thought Cerberus and the Horsemen would be a little larger than they appear to be, so that's a little disappointing.
Right? Had no clue they were that small. Never though Cerberus was the size of a person :D
My total is about USD390 including shipping... which is way too much. Wasn't thinking back then.
Sell the stuff you don't want/need on ebay.
Anastyr just did 286 minis for $400 and Mythic's minis (once they actually make them) are so far above these it's a whole other tier. I am frustrated I paid what I did for this. I hear the game is good and I'm excited for that, but it's not priced competitively at all :(
@@TheKingofAverage thoughts about the game tho?
I didn't I got a refund, when they added VAT and Shipping my pledge cost was double what I was expecting to pay, so I said nope not for a lighter game.
It looks to me like there are some awesome minis in here (some i really like anyway) but most suffer from being very 2 dimensional to make them stupidly easy to mold. Its a shame as the detail in basically there. Also, it wouldn't have hurt to put a texture on the bases... having them with nothing seems very lazy these days.
Hope the game plays well and everyone can enjoy it.
Paid 200$, translated in € though.
I'm still waiting for my copy unfortunately, I'm French and we got screwed hard.
Oh bummer! How far behind are the translations?
Also, a slightly different look at Massive Darkness ruclips.net/video/JTZkFTI0MFQ/видео.html
I paid $389 for bling all in package with shipping.
And you pleased..?
Ya I like it all so far.
I thought that this thin cardboard is very good. Not so much cardboard and better for recycling. We stored the game in 2 boxes and most parts in a toolbox
I'm not an advocate for shipping in large bulk just so the consumer can throw out the cheap containers and condense it smaller. That's a larger issue to tackle though when it comes to taking up way more space than you need when shipping.
How does anyone even play or organize all of that?!
That's the neat part, you don't.
There's a bunch of decent options. Most of what I see is the cheap plastic stack of drawers.
I cancelled my all-in pledge before the campaign closed. What I really wanted was a CMON branded Diablo game. But the decision to mix Catholic themes together with Greek/Roman was a huge flavor fail for me. Just pick one.
It all came off as “Religious Cultural Appropriation: The Game”.
HAH! well put :D
I immediately threw away the Rainbow Crossing box. It's too flimsy and it was mostly air anyway (and I try to save shelf space whenever I can)
Although wasn't this a free expansion? It would explain why it's so cheap (you get what you pay for)
Jesus! Just glue ALL four corners and be done with it!
C'Mon, man.
Pffft nah not my job. Already going to waste time fixing so many of these minis.
No, I meant CMON could've just glued that one side and stopped being cheap lazy bozos.
I thought you hated rainbow crossing and made a video on it, ranting about it.
Mhm. Then at the end after the tinkerers were added and such I eventually came around to backing this for the pet class and my kid's enjoyment over my own.
I paid $1 and got... nothing. I have most of MD1 and have only played it once, finding it boring. I understand MD2 was meant to improve on this, but the change of art style and having to learn/teach such different mechanics for each class put me off.
Its weird cmon game play seems to in general be getting better, while the material quality declines.
Its also odd how all over the place their mini quality is even just looking at more recent games. DMD and Ankh had good quality miniatures. MD2 and Bloodbourne were rather meh and straight up bad by comparison.
I expect Trudvang will be pretty bad and no idea where Zombicide wild West will land.
The only thing I can think of I would back from them at this point would be more DMD.
I was so impressed by DMD that it drove me to go all in on this one. A lot of the minis here are fine, but definitely a step down from DMD. I'm with you!
rainbow tokens? look like watermelon slices lol
hehe yum? :D
Massive duplication...the zombiecide tiles r laughable
I have skipped all CMON crowdfinded games. Unfortunately, I skipped ANKH. I believe this was the only last premium quality game without extra shipping shit and a very good price. Everything else from there (ans maybe blood borne before it) is a miss.
Meh! This seems on par with CMON quality. The boxes can be glued or reinforced if you plan to keep them. The miniatures are not bespoke high-end display quality miniatures. These are board game miniatures and for what they are they are good enough and a some sand paper or tools can fix the issues. I would not expect the quality to be better.
I am not a CMON fan and do not own the game, but I would knock the game too much from what you showed. Everything can be fixed. I hope the game plays well otherwise the miniatures alone will not save the game.
More concerning is if you take the time and expense to prime and paint the miniatures, the storage is terrible and it will ruin your hard work. Thus, you need a different storage solution. The storage is made just to keep things from breaking during shipping not as a way to store the miniatures long term after you painted them. That for me is the worst about this unboxing but it is not unique to CMON.
I am new to your channel, so I wasn't certain about your conclusions. I watched Part 1 and now this one (Part 2?). It seemed like you would spend a lot of time saying you "appreciate" something, or this is really cool, etc., and spend a little time complaining about the boxes or lack of texture or gluing here and there. It just seemed that you spent 60-70%+ time praising the work and the rest being critical, which is fine, but then you summarize the unboxings as "The worst game I've ever unboxed" and "Could it get worse?" Those titles didn't seem to match the bulk of the comments you made throughout the two videos. I like that you are up-beat, but after watching the unboxing videos, I didn't come away with this being the "worst." I guess if this is the "worst," you've had it pretty good with all your game unboxings. If it is horrible and terrible, maybe summarize at the end all the horrible and rotten things, or don't title it as a bad thing. Please help me, a new subscriber, understand your summary comments (in your titles) better. Thank you.
Welcome Kevin!
First of all THANK YOU for counting to positives I say. Often, as is human nature, we only focus on the negatives.
You bring up a point I want to start doing: Summarizing my thoughts at the end of my unboxings. I, as you can hopefully see, treat them almost as a component review thanks to being far too obsessed about these things.
And you're right, in general the games we get at this tier are excellent products. And as you'll see in my future videos, especially reviews, I mention pros and cons for most everything. Nothing is all good, or all bad really. :)
As for why it's the worst: It earned that title by having more issue components than any other game I've received at this scale. That is, I often get games like this, and often there is a miniature or two that are "iffy" but this one has many with melted details, or bad assembly, or bent swords or whatever. It'll take me several hours of work to fix just the minis up. Coupled with being a sequel to a 2017 and yet having worse components it's just kind of a big bummer on that front.
THANKFULLY the game sounds super fun and I'm still excited to play it :D
@@TheKingofAverage I would love to see a follow-up after you re-glue some of the minis (like Cerberus) to make them look better. And, of course, hoping that the game plays well so it kind of makes up for the lack of quality in some areas. Now, on to watch a few more of your recent videos. Thanks!