RIP Glenn Quinn (May 28, 1970 - December 3, 2002), aged 32 And RIP Andy Hallett (August 4, 1975 - March 29, 2009), aged 33 You both will always be remembered as legends.
@@creepydoll8351 lol it's not that. David was busy filming for his new series Seal Team at the time. David probably has had the most successful career out of all the buffy/ angel cast. Plus, David has aged really well. He's just a little more built and filed out now.
@@user-fe1le2yl3x i think James said something about that Joss had to fire Charisma, because they couldn’t pay James enough, therefore they fired her, and was able to pay James more. (:
@@solasauto I mean calling someone fat, cause they pregnant? That's not cool, I don't care if it's true. Besides, what business is that of Joss Whedon's? Oh, it put a damper on his plans for Season 4 of Angel? Tough shit! Ya ruined Cordy, ya ass! For what? To assert dominance? And she even had to work pregnant, and it was strongly recommended that she didn't. Just sayin', she got a good reason to be pissed. As far as canon goes, Cordelia was probably the one character who coulda saved Team Angel, as you can see how quickly it fell apart without her. Fred died and a demon wears her face now, Gunn basically got clapped, Wesley is dead, and Lorne is gone forever. Just sayin', I think Cordelia either would've told Angel that going to Wolfram and Hart was a stupid ass idea, and maybe everyone wouldn't have died (but Connor would still be acting like a ham sandwich)
@@shady_the_one Plus him creating such a toxic work environment with pitting them against each other. Good riddance to him. Charisma Carpenter seems to be such a lovely woman. I really admire her.
There is NO I IN team. Just because David wasn't there EVERYONE ELSE was. David has a career and has never struggled to find work. He's not stopped since starring in Buffy. It's been Buffy Angel Bones Seal Team.
Now is a great time to watch them. My wife and I just finished all 7 seasons of Buffy and 5 of Angel. It had been years since I'd last seen them and they are all on HULU now. Two amazing shows that are just as good as they were over 20 years ago.
i really feel for charisma here. you can tell she really wants to say more but I love how much shade she throws about season 4 and being disappointed by season 5. only telling her she's being killed off in season 5 after agreed to come back is really shitty.
Claire Kramer as Glory in season 5 was scary in Buffy The Vampire Slayer. I will say Alexis Denisof's transformation from the bumbling watcher to a Badass Watcher was crazy moment. Also Roy Dotrice who played Wesley's father disguised as the android was a surprise. Dotrice of course went on to play Zeus in Hercules the Legendary Journeys, voiced Keen Marlow the Destroyer in Spider-Man: The Animated Series and voiced Alfred Pennyworth's cousin Fredrick in Batman The Animated Series. Even Fred's transformation to Illyria was interesting and I wish the show had a chance to explore more about her origins had it been renewed for season 6. I wanted to see the Hell on Earth for season 6, Angel now as a human, Spike as the Lord of the underworld of LA.
Wesley wasnt really a watcher in Angel. More a co conspirator researcher behind the scenes person. Not specifically watcher. But yeah, transformation was brilliant from buffy to amgel. Good progression for the character.
@@spikesecho724 I'm pretty sure he's referring to the Angel: After The Fall comics, which Joss co-plotted with Brian Lynch. They used several of the planned season 6 concepts, and are (more or less?) as canonical as Dark Horse's BtVS season 8+. (Lynchy was an excellent addition to the writing crew; check out the IDW Spike "on-going" [cut off when all canon migrated to Dark Horse] for, among other things, a perfect capturing of the voice of Lilah Morgan.)
@Raghu Seetharaman: You leave out of Dotrice's past history, a pretty large resume which particularly includes a history of playing "fathers", from the prominent role of Vincent's "Father" on the several season-long CBS live-action drama Beauty and the Beast, to his playing Father Barrett, the town's Catholic priest who turns out to have a human foible in the form of a footwear fetish, in fifteen episodes of Picket Fences.
am i the only one who see's that josh is sitting on movie/tv gold with angel and buffy, i loved buffy but angel became soo much better, i would pay to see a season 6 or movie
Angel ended abruptly and kind of cliffhangerish. I want a buffy movie. It would obviously be rewritten for movie length rather than tv series. People so closed minded about a buffy movie. It would work if you have the relevant themes of each series developed within movie context. Why are people closed minded about that?
@@mishswb4950 I think it's because Buffy's story ended, and it ended the right way while Angel's story didn't end the right way, it's what you said it ended abruptly.
I really miss them. Ive watched season 2 and 3 back to back and started watching 4 and i couldn't watch it knowing why and what happened with Charisma. I missed them being a team, but it seemed more like he waa punishing her in season 4.. Then 5 just wasn't the same without her, to treat her like she was expendable.. We watched because of her.
That's just messed up. I'm given to understand that you could get custom action figures for Gunn, but no mainline figures. But yeah, if they were going to do the cast of Angel set, Gunn should've been there from the get-go.
@@Albukhshi I remember writing the toy company directly and was told by them that they didnt make Gunn figures because...and I quote: "He's not a main character", despite he made his first appearences in season one and was a regular for the rest of the series. They also didnt explain why they made multiple variants of characters like Fred and Lorne and they joined later.
@@Albukhshi I wish I'd saved the emails because I had a back and forth with that toy company's rep. Every time they gave suspect 'dodge the bullet' reasons why a Charles Gunn figure wasn't produced. Eventually they stopped replying to my messages.
Dang i thought that was pretty harsh from charisma " when we lost him from the show it was great for the show and great for me personally" awful words she clearly lost her way in that mid sentence due to the delicate topic, i guess it is probably true they were having difficulty with him on the show, first person iv seen speak about it personally. RIP glenn quinn, you are missed
To be fair, I think she meant that it elevated her character allowing Cordelia to grow and her to raise her game as an actress. It didn't sound great though. According to David Fury who wrote and directed 'You're Welcome' both her and David Boreanaz broke down several times while filming the scene where they watched Doyle's video.
@@GUV85 Yeah i agree it doesn't sound to great I could imagine it's crazy the impact glen quinn had for just being in only 9 episodes, he really had talent to shine as much as he did. Thanks for the response it's always nice to hear peoples opinions on it and the things that happened, i would have broke up watching the video i did kind of break up just watching the episode lol, but ya hopefully charisma didn't mean it in the way i am thinking. That first season was so special, going to have to rerun it.
@@zoeyx9821 same here zoey i loved doyle and season 1 for me was just great, enjoyed wesley coming into it too. I remember watching it on tv at the time lol was so hyped as a kid.
I can understand Charisma when she talked about how frustrated she was with Cordelia's character in Buffy because honestly, her character was seriously inconsistent at times. Sometimes she would be very clever and strategic and other times she would be a total airhead. I know the writing can be brilliant many times on Buffy and Angel but it can also have a lot of inconsistencies and nonsense (season 4 especially). I think Charisma was completely fair to complain about her character writing and maybe her complaining is what forced the writers to make a better Cordelia.
as someone currently on their third rewatch of the series (halfway through season 4!) i don't have an issue with _how_ cordelia's character is written, having known lots of different people throughout my life who shared cordelia's duality of being a clever airhead. there are many types of intelligence so it makes sense that a person can be simultaneously smart and stupid, it just depends on what you're talking about! my wonderful life partner has some seriously enviable problem-solving skills that make him a whiz at fixing all manner of things, but he's a bit of a spacecase where common sense is concerned. an example of this was when we were both still awake after midnight and he asked for the time, so i told him "it's 1" to which he replied, "o'clock?" he does stuff like this a lot and i find it silly and endearing! my issues lie with _how often_ cordelia's character is written into the show, which is to say not very often at all! there aren't many places a character can go if they don't have the screen time required, which makes for a rather undeveloped and thus uninteresting character. now i'm biased because i love buffy cordelia almost-but-still-not-quite as much as i love angel cordelia (pre-s4 lmao) but my bias did make me realize how badly i wanted more cordy on buffy! so much so that even though i only planned on rewatching buffy, i just had to scratch the itch and give angel another rewatch too in order to get my queen cordy fix. :') i think they knew what they wanted to do with cordelia's characterization but they didn't quite know how to fit that into the show's dynamic or where to go with her - especially after her and xander (thankfully) fizzled out - because a lot of what made people love cordy on angel already existed when she was on buffy; her ability to switch from aloof snark mode to selfless understanding when the moment called for it, or the unwavering confidence she had in herself no matter the odds. rewatching the two shows concurrently makes for a very satisfying watch with regards to her character arc because her progression feels logical and natural, at least to me anyway!
It's isn't all about David. There are 5 other extremely talented cast members besides him. They can be enjoyed with or without him, it's a team not just oh David
Undoubtedly the biggest waste of potential was ending the Wesley-Lilah relationship. Red hot, complex and dark - the writers struck gold and threw it away for that cradle-robbing Fred rubbish.
Cradle-robbing? How old do you think Fred was supposed to be? Lilah was fun and the relationship with Wesley was definitely interesting, but he was always in love with Fred so it's not like that came out of nowhere. Fred and Gunn felt more forced to me. Not much chemistry.
I love James Marsters but season 5 of Angel was the worse since it didn't have that same gloomy tone as the first four seasons and it's obvious that Carpenter's departure played a big role in that.
Развлечения
RIP Glenn Quinn (May 28, 1970 - December 3, 2002), aged 32
And
RIP Andy Hallett (August 4, 1975 - March 29, 2009), aged 33
You both will always be remembered as legends.
Can't have one of these without ANGEL himself lol
I'm saddened by the fact that Andy Hallett (Lorne) is dead. He was my favorite character on the show. I miss him.
Rhonda Ray ! YES! A Terrible loss of a Wonderful talent. I pray that joy may come to your day remembering his voice. love
And Glenn Quinn who played Doyle also passed away in 2002 from a heroin overdose. He was 32 when he died.
the buffy and angel panels alway have everybody but the main character themself.
Cause Sarah and David don't give a shit
@@spikesecho724 I’m crying 🤣🤣🤣
@@spikesecho724 I think Sarah does. David definitely doesn't.
Love these Guys, especially Amy. I think most of us fell in love with Amy on her very 1st appearance. Well, I know I did.
David missing the Show’s 20th anniversary even tho his character is the main character on the show ...
He is kinda vain and doesn’t like for his fans to see how he aged
Lol the guy was probably busy - no stress
@@creepydoll8351 lol it's not that. David was busy filming for his new series Seal Team at the time. David probably has had the most successful career out of all the buffy/ angel cast.
Plus, David has aged really well. He's just a little more built and filed out now.
He was filming seal team and bones. His plate was full. He did a outstanding job as the MAIN PROTAGONIST OF The show Angel
Hearing the audience shout Root and seeing Amy's reaction was the best!! ❤️
Time stamp?
57:35
The host did a amazing job !!!! She really was in the best interest of both the actors & the audience.
Clare Kramer (glory from Buffy) is an excellent moderator at panels
I feel so bad for Charisma Carpenter :( I wanted cordelia to be a part of season 5 to fix her character from the dumpster fire that was season 4
Joss fired her for getting pregnant as much as I love the work he did with Angel and Buffy that move he did to Charisma was terrible .
Well she did get the 100th episode and it was an AWESOME 45 minutes. Sadly though, it was originally supposed to go to buffy
@@user-fe1le2yl3x i think James said something about that Joss had to fire Charisma, because they couldn’t pay James enough, therefore they fired her, and was able to pay James more. (:
I'm old enough to propose to Amy Acker now she's still beautiful
Mike she’s married
You’re 17 years too late buddy
Watching this now on the heels of Charisma and others outing Joss Wheadons STANK behavior
@@solasauto I mean calling someone fat, cause they pregnant? That's not cool, I don't care if it's true. Besides, what business is that of Joss Whedon's? Oh, it put a damper on his plans for Season 4 of Angel? Tough shit! Ya ruined Cordy, ya ass! For what? To assert dominance? And she even had to work pregnant, and it was strongly recommended that she didn't. Just sayin', she got a good reason to be pissed.
As far as canon goes, Cordelia was probably the one character who coulda saved Team Angel, as you can see how quickly it fell apart without her. Fred died and a demon wears her face now, Gunn basically got clapped, Wesley is dead, and Lorne is gone forever. Just sayin', I think Cordelia either would've told Angel that going to Wolfram and Hart was a stupid ass idea, and maybe everyone wouldn't have died (but Connor would still be acting like a ham sandwich)
@@shady_the_one AGREED
Was it true that she kept her pregnancy hidden until the last possible second?
@@shady_the_one Plus him creating such a toxic work environment with pitting them against each other. Good riddance to him.
Charisma Carpenter seems to be such a lovely woman. I really admire her.
@@oldhollywoodfan8009 yeah. She kinda reminds me of my aunt
I wish wesley and spike had an episode together where they go on an adventure as 2 clumsy brits
That would have been hilarious
This whole thing warms my heart
Thank you for taking/sharing this for those of us who couldn't attend, but love this cast/fandom!
Not quite a Angel reunion WITHOUT Angel
There is NO I IN team. Just because David wasn't there EVERYONE ELSE was. David has a career and has never struggled to find work. He's not stopped since starring in Buffy.
It's been
Buffy
Angel
Bones
Seal Team.
even if they're not complete, it's still a lot of fun!!!
So tempted to watch all 5 Seasons of Angel now
@@solasauto You mean "The Destructor"? :)
Now is a great time to watch them. My wife and I just finished all 7 seasons of Buffy and 5 of Angel. It had been years since I'd last seen them and they are all on HULU now. Two amazing shows that are just as good as they were over 20 years ago.
i really feel for charisma here. you can tell she really wants to say more but I love how much shade she throws about season 4 and being disappointed by season 5. only telling her she's being killed off in season 5 after agreed to come back is really shitty.
Doesnt she also say season 4 is her favourite when she mentions Spin the bottle?
@@ndjxisjenxjix9525 UH HUMMMMM lol
In my opinion the out of this world actor is Alexis Denisof
Is Fred a vampire? She’s stunning!!
Awesome!!!😍😍😍😍😍😍
I still want a season 6. I miss Fred.
Thank you so much
Wonderful
I literally almost died laughing, after Alexis did that impression at 54:31-54:40.
A large portion of this was cut between 3:51 and 3:52. Charisma is talking then it suddenly cuts to J.August Richards. Why was that?
Claire Kramer as Glory in season 5 was scary in Buffy The Vampire Slayer. I will say Alexis Denisof's transformation from the bumbling watcher to a Badass Watcher was crazy moment. Also Roy Dotrice who played Wesley's father disguised as the android was a surprise. Dotrice of course went on to play Zeus in Hercules the Legendary Journeys, voiced Keen Marlow the Destroyer in Spider-Man: The Animated Series and voiced Alfred Pennyworth's cousin Fredrick in Batman The Animated Series. Even Fred's transformation to Illyria was interesting and I wish the show had a chance to explore more about her origins had it been renewed for season 6. I wanted to see the Hell on Earth for season 6, Angel now as a human, Spike as the Lord of the underworld of LA.
Wesley wasnt really a watcher in Angel. More a co conspirator researcher behind the scenes person. Not specifically watcher. But yeah, transformation was brilliant from buffy to amgel. Good progression for the character.
Why....would Spike be the lord of the underworld?? Besides, the shanshu was about Spike, so he'd probably be human.
@@spikesecho724 I'm pretty sure he's referring to the Angel: After The Fall comics, which Joss co-plotted with Brian Lynch. They used several of the planned season 6 concepts, and are (more or less?) as canonical as Dark Horse's BtVS season 8+. (Lynchy was an excellent addition to the writing crew; check out the IDW Spike "on-going" [cut off when all canon migrated to Dark Horse] for, among other things, a perfect capturing of the voice of Lilah Morgan.)
@Raghu Seetharaman: You leave out of Dotrice's past history, a pretty large resume which particularly includes a history of playing "fathers", from the prominent role of Vincent's "Father" on the several season-long CBS live-action drama Beauty and the Beast, to his playing Father Barrett, the town's Catholic priest who turns out to have a human foible in the form of a footwear fetish, in fifteen episodes of Picket Fences.
@@lkw7482 Yes I know all that starring Ron Perlman and Linda Hamilton.
SPIKE AKA JAMES MARSTERS BEAUTIFUL!
am i the only one who see's that josh is sitting on movie/tv gold with angel and buffy, i loved buffy but angel became soo much better, i would pay to see a season 6 or movie
Angel ended abruptly and kind of cliffhangerish. I want a buffy movie. It would obviously be rewritten for movie length rather than tv series. People so closed minded about a buffy movie. It would work if you have the relevant themes of each series developed within movie context. Why are people closed minded about that?
@@mishswb4950 I think it's because Buffy's story ended, and it ended the right way while Angel's story didn't end the right way, it's what you said it ended abruptly.
LOVE SPIKE💜💜💜
Awesome!!!
41:40-42:27 That’s when you know your man is a keeper.
I really miss them. Ive watched season 2 and 3 back to back and started watching 4 and i couldn't watch it knowing why and what happened with Charisma. I missed them being a team, but it seemed more like he waa punishing her in season 4.. Then 5 just wasn't the same without her, to treat her like she was expendable..
We watched because of her.
An angel movie would be awesome, the dark avenger lol
where David,???, I love y guys and miss Andy, he was a truly special talent.
Wasn't 5here another Actor? David something.....
Can you upload the other syfy wire cast interview?
ruclips.net/video/-yFvRu226_A/видео.html
I wish they would have hit on the fact that when they made the Angel line of action figures, all the main cast of characters were made except Gunn.
That's just messed up. I'm given to understand that you could get custom action figures for Gunn, but no mainline figures.
But yeah, if they were going to do the cast of Angel set, Gunn should've been there from the get-go.
@@Albukhshi I remember writing the toy company directly and was told by them that they didnt make Gunn figures because...and I quote: "He's not a main character", despite he made his first appearences in season one and was a regular for the rest of the series. They also didnt explain why they made multiple variants of characters like Fred and Lorne and they joined later.
@@maximusprime3459
Yeah, I'm smelling bullshit with that excuse of theirs.
@@Albukhshi I wish I'd saved the emails because I had a back and forth with that toy company's rep. Every time they gave suspect 'dodge the bullet' reasons why a Charles Gunn figure wasn't produced. Eventually they stopped replying to my messages.
"The cast of angel"
*is actually missing angel*
Where is David?
Why did Charisma Carpenter get caught off and it suddenly skipped to J. August Richards speaking? What was that about? Did she say something bad?
Now knowing what we know 28 minutes in james marsters will have been sitting there like 😬🤐
Didnt seem to hear fred talk
Dang i thought that was pretty harsh from charisma " when we lost him from the show it was great for the show and great for me personally" awful words she clearly lost her way in that mid sentence due to the delicate topic, i guess it is probably true they were having difficulty with him on the show, first person iv seen speak about it personally. RIP glenn quinn, you are missed
To be fair, I think she meant that it elevated her character allowing Cordelia to grow and her to raise her game as an actress. It didn't sound great though. According to David Fury who wrote and directed 'You're Welcome' both her and David Boreanaz broke down several times while filming the scene where they watched Doyle's video.
@@GUV85 Yeah i agree it doesn't sound to great I could imagine it's crazy the impact glen quinn had for just being in only 9 episodes, he really had talent to shine as much as he did. Thanks for the response it's always nice to hear peoples opinions on it and the things that happened, i would have broke up watching the video i did kind of break up just watching the episode lol, but ya hopefully charisma didn't mean it in the way i am thinking. That first season was so special, going to have to rerun it.
It did sound harsh but I really think she meant that it showed the high stakes of the show and it allowed her character to get deeper storylines.
I'm so gutted that Doyle died, I much preferred season one to the later seasons when it got really dark
@@zoeyx9821 same here zoey i loved doyle and season 1 for me was just great, enjoyed wesley coming into it too. I remember watching it on tv at the time lol was so hyped as a kid.
Where's Harm?
Cordelia "were family." (Hands Wesley a sandwich and angel some blood) hehe
I can understand Charisma when she talked about how frustrated she was with Cordelia's character in Buffy because honestly, her character was seriously inconsistent at times. Sometimes she would be very clever and strategic and other times she would be a total airhead. I know the writing can be brilliant many times on Buffy and Angel but it can also have a lot of inconsistencies and nonsense (season 4 especially). I think Charisma was completely fair to complain about her character writing and maybe her complaining is what forced the writers to make a better Cordelia.
as someone currently on their third rewatch of the series (halfway through season 4!) i don't have an issue with _how_ cordelia's character is written, having known lots of different people throughout my life who shared cordelia's duality of being a clever airhead. there are many types of intelligence so it makes sense that a person can be simultaneously smart and stupid, it just depends on what you're talking about! my wonderful life partner has some seriously enviable problem-solving skills that make him a whiz at fixing all manner of things, but he's a bit of a spacecase where common sense is concerned. an example of this was when we were both still awake after midnight and he asked for the time, so i told him "it's 1" to which he replied, "o'clock?" he does stuff like this a lot and i find it silly and endearing!
my issues lie with _how often_ cordelia's character is written into the show, which is to say not very often at all! there aren't many places a character can go if they don't have the screen time required, which makes for a rather undeveloped and thus uninteresting character. now i'm biased because i love buffy cordelia almost-but-still-not-quite as much as i love angel cordelia (pre-s4 lmao) but my bias did make me realize how badly i wanted more cordy on buffy! so much so that even though i only planned on rewatching buffy, i just had to scratch the itch and give angel another rewatch too in order to get my queen cordy fix. :')
i think they knew what they wanted to do with cordelia's characterization but they didn't quite know how to fit that into the show's dynamic or where to go with her - especially after her and xander (thankfully) fizzled out - because a lot of what made people love cordy on angel already existed when she was on buffy; her ability to switch from aloof snark mode to selfless understanding when the moment called for it, or the unwavering confidence she had in herself no matter the odds. rewatching the two shows concurrently makes for a very satisfying watch with regards to her character arc because her progression feels logical and natural, at least to me anyway!
There needs to be some kind of limited series with all of them together 😊 They still have sooo much chemistry together 😊
james master et charisma carpenter sont mes acteur préféré, sans spyke et cordelia la serie buffy ou angel serai beaucoup trop sombre.
'The cast of Angel' but no Angel!?
Good lord David, you really didin’t show up for the celebration of the tv show where you was de star?
Shame on you David
I can only assume he was filming Seal Team or something.
@@Neurodivergent-j1f Yeah, he came for the other one, probably just busy when this one happened
It's isn't all about David. There are 5 other extremely talented cast members besides him. They can be enjoyed with or without him, it's a team not just oh David
What they did to Charisma was really, really, really shitty !!!!
The king ain't there
Undoubtedly the biggest waste of potential was ending the Wesley-Lilah relationship. Red hot, complex and dark - the writers struck gold and threw it away for that cradle-robbing Fred rubbish.
Cradle-robbing? How old do you think Fred was supposed to be? Lilah was fun and the relationship with Wesley was definitely interesting, but he was always in love with Fred so it's not like that came out of nowhere. Fred and Gunn felt more forced to me. Not much chemistry.
@@ScreamWright Don't care, she had underage-energy and I always found it creepy
Fans are so incredibly dorky
And proud of it.
Wow no Angel on his own show??? Wtf like I said TEAM SPIKE
I think he was filming Seal Team during this one. He came for a different one
You TEAM SPIKE loudmouths is probably why he doesn't make the effort anymore!
Shuddup ms. "real quick". Who the hell are you.
I love James Marsters but season 5 of Angel was the worse since it didn't have that same gloomy tone as the first four seasons and it's obvious that Carpenter's departure played a big role in that.
rip glenn quinn and angel fans