Fake proof silver eagle purchased from China.
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It is a curious crappy alloy not found on the periodic table, only found in China...called Chinesium!
Number two failed the rotation test. 2:25
I think it fails based on looks alone
I agree e he missed that
Also the letter U
Why did he not mention this ??
I think it’s #2! And why does China get away with this? Their dishonesty has gone too far
I have an aged mother, and she is constantly under threat by domestic scam artists of all sorts, the US phone companies know who they are, and sometimes even the local cops, but for some reason or other nothing is ever done. Corruption and rip-offs are a world-wide problem, but it isn't "China" that is being dishonest, just some criminals in China.
@@mikesloothaak679 Sure, but it is China in that it is sanctioned by the Chinese government. Not the Chinese people, but their "communist" totalitarian regime.
Tyrants shall fall, Sic semper tyrannis.
they say its replicas...
I think it is either one or two, so that means it will be number three
We are being sold down the river to China by the Dems and the RINOs :(
A little surprised you didn't mention the obv/rev orientation is wrong. The fake uses medal alignment and not coin alignment. Granted, some fakes will have the correct orientation so this is not a fool proof check (albeit an obvious one if wrong).
Also, be careful using calipers in that fashion as you could easily get a false negative (or positive). You want the prongs of the calipers to be on the same plane as the coin and not perpendicular to it.
Shhhhhhhh, he didn't notice! hahahah
@@JWsCoinsandHobbies I noticed that right away and I was going to comment but I see someone did already. Speg, I'm surprised you missed that.
I don't truly believe he missed it. He's too good for that. I just think he's running a social experiment to see how many people will point it out.
@@JWsCoinsandHobbies Probably, but it's always fun to rib him about it. Nothing says lov'in like abuse from your own subscriber posse.
If it was Australian it would work, as our coins are flipped like that, rather than upside down obverse to reverse
first hint : from China
I bought one of these from China and when I received it, it was the size of a half dollar. I appealed to E-Bay
and they refunded my money. God bless E-Bay.
Two points Speg, you didn't mention the medal orientation and when you used the calipers to measure the diameter, you should keep the calipers in the plane of the coin to catch the full width.
"Just the tip" That's what she said.
I wouldn't buy anything from China that minted in America that would be ridiculous
Completely agree with you. And the amount of fakes coming from Communist China are increasing. No collector, stacker or dealer should have anything to do with buying from there, for that matter.
Lord Grime I agree, they need to pay for what they have done
Thanks to you and Mark, we all are a little wiser
Thanks Speg for this information.
fastest way to test is to get a magnet and a ping test.
you dont ping proof coins :D
@@sarahnewell3827 if it is not numismatics that is ok to ping.
2. Now going to watch the rest. I'm back...The diameter seemed smaller to me as soon as I saw it. Sort of impressed myself that i saw it so fast. Great video buddy. Thanks.
Fantastic video Speg. Lol that magnet was messing with your mic.
Thank you for sharing
This is what I like with my LCS shops and most pawn shops here in Oregon they test them! You can buy peace of mind.
Only from the eye 2 is visible...also the flipping (orientation) of the coin was very revealing! 😅😅😅
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Love the 'cutting'!!
Love your videos! So informative. Thanks bud!
When your face-to-face with the coins it’s fairly obvious but when you’re buying online it is extremely difficult until after you have received it by then it’s too late thanks for the video👍
4nines Fine Often in situations like that.. they will take pictures of legit ones and then when people buy them, they mail the fakes.
Unless these fools used images of real Silver Eagles you could zoom in and see with a good eye or a real one to match it up with.
@@darthsilversith667 Never-go by the photo!
mm ix I know.. I don’t buy online anyway. Not on sites like EBay anyway. If I have to resort to buying online, then I will buy from a large, reputable dealer.
That's how scammers get you, you need silver bad, and you need it cheaper, never trust eBay, or pictures, trust the authorized dealers only who receive your coins directly from the mint.
Good job I like how you zoomed in on the camera and show the difference good job thanks
What size is that big magnet you have and where did you buy it
Thank you Speg and to Mark who willingly gave up his coin to educate others! But be aware that some people/dealers will be clever and buy coins from non-American counties then repack them in boxes/plastic and say they are legit.
Beautiful coins. Great investment! Thanks for the review!
Number 2 cause of the way it flipped! Thanks for the info!
Good video Speg! I noticed the one in the middle looked a little “wavy” right away, and the surface looked plated. I bet if you rub your finger over the plated one & a real one they’ll feel different too, I notice that with karat gold jewelry vs. plated jewelry all the time. 👍👍👍
My dad bought counterfeit Chinese silver twice on Ebay. He has learned is lesson not to buy Chinese silver again. I heard that there are companies in China licensed by the government to produce Counterfeit American Silver coins.
Ray K he should also learn not to buy from eBay
Fake coins are from all over the world, right now the majority of fake coins are from Ebay’s venues. So I think EBay should take part of the blame, and not buying silver or gold merchandise from China if I were you.
I like your intro in the first minute it was excellent. I'd like to see the Clippers to the fake silver on display.👍
I appreciate that your nails are short and clean
Great video!! Thanks for teaching us awareness of a fake. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽😀
If you look at the width the fake one will have a wider width.
For me I was really lucky to find a silver dollar coin at work. And the customer used it at face value, and I asked my boss if I can trade it with my dollar and he said yes. And seeing your video it confirms that it's real, thank you!
#2, as soon as you said one was fake. Thank you for this.
1. It was smaller
2 it had a weird line down the right side of the back
3. When you flipped it around it was inverted.
2:26 I already knew it was #2 before you flipped the coin, but when you flipped the coin, it just confirmed it for me.
From the start I thought #2 was fake. The diameter looked small. Great video thanks!
Dead give away for me was the letter U in United. The mint changed the design of the U a few years back.
For me, it was easy to spot due to the way the Chrome plating was reflecting off the "rays"
Great video, very educational, there's just one thing I noticed. When measuring with the calipers you should be aligning them with the coin longways, that way you know youre touching the furthest distance across. Of course you knew it was off before that anyway so it's of little importance.
Very instructive, thanks! If you are an avid ASE collector, carry a real one in your pocket for comparison.
Speg #2 is as Real as any of the Kardashians....
👋🏼👋🏼 thank you for sharing speg
Great material!
Speg's, Nice video my friend. Good PSA. Hope you are well. Thanks for the Info! Cheers.
It would sure be interesting to know what alloy or amalgamation that coin was made of. The weight was very close to that of silver, but all of the magnetic elements are notably less dense than silver. In the light the cut looked copper-colored, but maybe that was just some sort of lighting artifact in the video, since nickle, cobalt, and iron are all somewhat silverish in color.
Your talents with a magnet are unmatched good sir. :)
If I may: when you want to cut a notch into a coin like you do, I suggest you shove the coin as deep as you can into the cutter's jaws. You get much better leverage that way. Such would be better both for the tool and your hand, and probably reduce the chance of the coin going flying as well.
I think it 2......looks smaller and a different design for the walker.......gonna wait till the end to find out
i knew the middle one was fake because of the lettering and the thickness and style of font it is... very easy to spot to any real collector
Great video... EXPOSE THE SCAMMERS!!!
Maybe drill a small hole through the fakes to permanently mark them yet saving them for our training? Good video. Thank you.
Thanks for the video. This helped me verify 11 fake Eagles.
Holy smokes 11? Where’d they come from?
The minute you flipped the center coin and it had a medallion die orientation it was a no brainer.
"Big thank you for the tips,
Fun video! Thanks!
Number 2! The flip, gave it away
You should have also demonstrated the ping ringing sound test as you did on your Fake Morgan Silver Dollar from a flea market video.
There's several times I could do but there's no need to do every single test in every single video. That would get a little repetitive wouldn't it? When one or two of these tests are such a "nail in the coffee", we can generally stop there. After all, this is not a "how many tests can you do to test silver" video.
Ebay continues to allow these fakes to be sold into the market. I dont know how they get away with it...
dark horse Some of it might be that when a fake is discovered, as seen here, nothing is mentioned of the seller. That would be a great final step in educating dummies like myself. Let me see for myself what these sellers are doing and how they do it without spending money and then learn. Speg’s videos are very helpful.
Don't Buy It Off Ebay - Dumbash
The give-away for me was that the obverse wasn't a flip over. American coins the back is upside down to the front.
Thank you so much. I just found out that a 2020 westpoint silver eagle is a fake thanks to you video.
The centre one.... I got one from America to.. my friend bought it from Amazon :( such a bummer
One can do the "soundcheck" with silvercoins. Put it on a fingertip and hit it slightly with another coin. If it does a nice vibrating "pling" sound it is silver, if it does a kind of short "smack"-sound, than it's most likely fake. Silver, and gold also, "ring" like only eternal money can do!
Don't buy on eBay and the small sellers. Go to the reputable dealers, or buy from the Mint directly
I am getting really tempted to buy a sigma tester everytime I see you use it. If it wasn't so expensive I would already have one ;)
Destroy Fakes! Thanks!! 👍😃
Thank you for your video, verry useful!
I have the same fake coin. Keeping it for educational purposes. I was surprised on how great it look after I took a picture of it.
one other thing not pointed out was how noticeably further away the writing on the reverse was from the edge of the fake Eagle; most noticeable w/ the naked eye @ the "1oz FINE SILVER" area.
Much easier to see IF You have a US Mint purchased Eagle to compare it to.
#2 looks like steel. I can see the color tone. And its considerably smaller
Wow! It's hard to tell.
My guess is the 3rd one.
I was cracking up watching you messing with fake silver OMG thanks for sharing went through my stack all real.wow terrible how many fakes..
I would check for contamination.
I was right. I guess anybody could get fooled who was going on initial appearance. If you bought a lot of American Eagles then you would be able to tell the difference. . Lady Liberty on the coin is not as shiny or frosted. That was what was the dead giveaway which is why I chose coin 2.. The other thing was the stars on the flag draped around Lady Liberty. I noticed it was not clear on coin 2. However, to be sure it's not fake, it's a good idea to have a weighing machine and examine the fine details under a magnifying glass.
I highly recommend the Sigma Metalytics precious metals verifier. I almost bought a 20g Gold bar from the Perth Mint in 'original' packaging but when I tried to verify it the Sigma determined that it was an undetermined metal plated with 24k gold. I did an internet search on these bars and found numerous high-quality Chinese fakes available. The seller claimed he had purchased it from APMEX and it was guaranteed by them. I did purchase a PAMP 1oz gold bar from this seller that passed the Sigma verification.
Very cool video and content thanks for posting!👍🏼😎❤️
I only buy from JMBULLION or APMEX or ModernCoinMart
If you see them side by side you see immediately that the diameter of the 2nd "coin" is smaller. If you see it online it's possible so see the differences but it's much harder if you have a good fake.
My 2010 early release West Point mint NGC verified has pretty pronounce lines in the flag.
People are fed up with China and their ways. Honestly.
Never in my entire life have I said “I wish I got some stuff from China”
@@Spegtacular you my friend never bought a cheap chinese dirtbike
Number two it's small. When you flipped it also.
to determine proof of DENSITY ala Archimedes... precision weight, then using distilled water, see how much water it displaces. divide the volume by the weight and get a number for apparent density. compare that to silver. eureka
It looks so small compared to the others, also you need to learn how to use calipers, you can't pick 2 random points like that...
One use for fake coins is to have them on display as copies in your house in case you get robbed.
I knew right away it was the one in the middle, number 2. when you flipped it from the bottom the other side was not upright.
My guess is number two because when you flipped them over....the reverse side of Number two was the only one not still in the correct position......you had to turn it around.
The fake ones reverse is upside down. When you flipped the coins at the beginning of the video, you shouldn't have had to rotate the center one.
On U.S. Coins you only have to rotate them to orient the coin if you flip it left to right or right to left, not not top to bottom or bottom to top.
It would be interesting to actually find out what metal it was made from, obviously it was highly attracted to the magnet.
The one on the left.. The "U" on the back is the pre 2008 letter "U"
Center No 2 as its smaller
The middle coin has both sides the same way, not flipped upside down like the real ones.
The color on #1 seems really off
I think it’s an enhanced proof with added sparkle.
That's a reverse proof coin. It looks real.
The details on the second coin is off. Plus, he flipped the coin along the x-axis and the tails (reverse side) is upside down. That's a dead giveaway for a fake: US coins flip in the horizontal axis; US medals and foreign coins (such as UK) flip in the vertical axis.
The details of the third coin matches the first, so it is authentic, like the first.
Of course 2. Doesn’t flip correctly obverse to reverse.
Number 2 because I noticed that it is on the wrong way up when turned over
Everyone needs to be aware that fakes such as this are being sold on e-bay all the time . Before you buy make sure to do a little review of the seller's information and their feedback.
It might be a good idea to never buy coins on ebay. No matter what.
@@SM77785 Buy from a reputable seller, & you should not have any problems.
You can get really good deals on eBay, but NEVER buy premium silver or gold products off there.
I think some reputable US companies selling gold and silver coins also have shops set up on EBay. Just need to go to buy those coins from reputable sellers.
2, no doubt.
The U is different also.
I remember there was a bunch of these floating around in 2014/2015 they look legit packaging box everything but they obviously we're not and if you look close you could see the details and strike where off
I have bought Fake Pamp Sussies 1/2 gold on eBay. Even online with actual pictures doesn’t mean that what you will actually receive.
I haven't really seen in modern bullion coin that looked real and I could not tell the difference. What scares me is when they tried to fake old numismatic coins, those can be tricky.
Hmmmm ... Canton using crosshatching and the reverse upside down. Could it possible be #2?
So many ways to test for fakes!🔥🔥🔥
1 is inverted